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Something has shifted in the discourse of Israel since the Friday killings of 17 Palestinian protesters in Gaza, many of them plainly unarmed, by Israeli snipers from across a security fence: the hasbara– Israeli propaganda– is not working.

The country has plainly done something indefensible. The usual defenders are silent, and the criticism from the left/center is stronger than ever. Senator Bernie Sanders’s sharp criticism is actually leading the U.S. discussion of the event.

Ori Nir of Americans for Peace Now captures the moment, tweeting in Hebrew (roughly translated):

“National Public Radio” Morning Edition, the United States’s largest radio network, opened its news: Israel says it will not investigate the circumstances of the 15 Gaza residents killed on Friday’s clashes. Another propaganda achievement of the government whose army is the most moral in the world.

“A pro-Palestinian narrative” is dominating international media, The Times of Israel reports; and fingers are being pointed throughout the Israeli government about who allowed Israel to be led into this PR “trap” by Palestinians. Michael Oren who can spin anything can’t spin this one.

Michael Oren, for one, the deputy minister in the Prime Minister’s Office who is responsible for diplomacy, said Israel was patently unprepared for the crisis on the diplomatic and media battlefield, and that the word he was getting from abroad was that the Israeli narrative is losing “big time” to the Palestinian narrative.

A crisis indeed. Usually-vehement Israel defenders in the U.S. are keeping quiet. They surely hope this will blow over. Bill Kristol has nothing to say about the killings. Neither does the voluble Bret Stephens. Jennifer Rubin has been silent on twitter.

The liberal Zionist group Ameinu sent out a Passover greeting today with talk of the African refugees, but not a word about the killings. As for J Street– bupkus on twitter. Nothing on the blog either.

Jacob Magid of the Times of Israel dismisses the effort by the Israeli government to justify the killings by saying the army identified 10 of the 15 killed as “Hamas activists.” As if “this in and of itself was enough a reason to shoot them dead,” he said.

If the IDF wants to put out a statement saying the men were in the middle of carrying out an attack when soldiers engaged, that’s one thing but saying they were “Hamas activists” means little

The Republican Jewish Coalition is also reduced to slinging pathetic, patently-false story-lines. It tweets:

Gaza March Used Civilian (Including Children) Human Shields to Trap Israel

While AIPAC tweets an article by David Horovitz in the Times of Israel that brims with Israeli paranoia:

Gaza’s terrorist rulers make no secret of their agenda. They are out to destroy Israel. Suicide bombers, rockets, and tunnels have failed. So now it’s mass marches on the border.

It is a sign of the discourse shifting that the Republican Jewish Coalition is now fastened on–Bernie Sanders.

Violent, militarized “protesters” were attempting to cross the Gaza border fence, but would have the Israeli’s sit back and take it. That isn’t leadership, it’s cowardice.

You’d think Sanders would be beyond the pale But no, the moral leader of the left in the U.S. is at center stage. Sanders took a little while to condemn the killings, but he has been extremely strong. Here is Ynet’s report:

Sanders attacked Israel on Saturday with a tweet, saying, “The killing of Palestinian demonstrators by Israeli forces in Gaza is tragic. It is the right of all people to protest for a better future without a violent response.”

In an interview with CNN’s Jake Tapper, Sanders was asked if he accepted Israel’s version that most of the Palestinian dead were terrorists who directed attacks against Israel under the cover of protesters.

“No, I don’t,” Sanders responded. “My understanding is you have tens of thousands of people who were engaged in a non-violent protest. I believe now 15 or 20 people, Palestinians, have been killed, and many many others have been wounded. So I think it’s a difficult situation, but my assessment is that Israel overreacted on that.

Yet more evidence of the fact that Israel is getting thrashed in the international response is, the New York Times op-ed page has had nothing to say about these atrocities, while a Washington Post foreign affairs writer, Ishaan Tharoor, is condemning them outright: “For Israel, there’s little political cost to killing Palestinians.”

Tharoor’s article is clear about the moral outrage here, and about the reason, Israel’s impunity.

“These are the predictable outcomes of a manifestly illegal command: Israeli soldiers shooting live ammunition at unarmed Palestinian protesters,” said Amit Gilutz, a spokesman for B’Tselem, a Jerusalem-based leftist organization that monitors human rights abuses in the occupied territories. “What is predictable, too, is that no one — from the snipers on the ground to top officials whose policies have turned Gaza into a giant prison — is likely to be ever held accountable.”

The Israeli leadership had reason to feel comfortable in its defianceThe most vocal criticism from abroad came from Iran and Turkey; censure from either country is more likely a source of relish for Netanyahu than unease. And at the United Nations, the Trump administration blocked the Security Council from issuing a statement that called for an “independent and transparent investigation” and affirmed the Palestinians’ right to peaceful protest.

Tharoor links to Eric Umansky, deputy managing editor of Pro Publica, who has produced a lacerating and eloquent series of tweets on the optics of the murders:

1/ I know our capacity for outrage has been sapped, but the images coming from Gaza are truly shocking. 2/ Here’s a video —shared by the Washington Post—of a young man shot and killed as he was *rolling a tire away from the border* 3/ Here’s a video of a man shot as he was praying with others 4/ Israel says videos are fabricated. Except multiple videos show same thing. 5/ Here’s another young man who was shot in the head as he was watching the protests and puffing a cigarette. 6/ Sixteen Palestinians were shot to death, hundreds more wounded. You’ve heard of Bloody Sunday, right? That’s when British troops killed 14 protesters in N. Ireland. I wonder how history and we will remember Gaza, if at all. 7/ There may be plenty left to know about what happened. But Israeli officials aren’t interested in finding out. An investigation? Defense Minister Lieberman said, “There won’t be one” He said “all the soldiers deserve a medal.”

Finally, even mainstream Israeli figures are jumping ship. A leading radio host might be fired for saying he’s “ashamed to be Israeli.” Haaretz:

Top Israeli radio host Kobi Meidan has been silenced on Army Radio after posting on Facebook that he’s “ashamed to be Israeli” after 15 Gazans were shot dead during mass Gaza protests along the Israel-Gaza border last week.

After talking with the media personality, Army Radio commander Shimon Elkabetz ordered the station to no longer broadcast Meidan on the air, but it remains to be seen whether temporarily or permanently.

We will of course be closely monitoring the international response to the killings, including in official forums. But the media narrative is hardening, Israel went way too far. No wonder a local friend asked me yesterday, Has Israel lost its mind?

Thanks to Ofer Neiman, James North, and Todd Pierce.

 

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  1. just
    April 2, 2018, 1:47 pm

    Their minds have been lost for a long, long time. The only difference is that more people are finally waking up. Hopefully.

    Last night I read these articles from Haaretz:

    “Gaza Border Protest Organizer: Israel Portrays Us as Savages. But All We Seek Is Freedom

    One Gaza resident says the marches have become a family affair, with many seeing the rally as a welcome break from the suffocating cities …”

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-gaza-border-protest-organizer-we-re-not-savages-we-just-want-freedom-1.5964378

    ~and~

    “‘Flourishing’ Israel Is Drenched in Palestinian Blood

    Israelis who look in wonderment at their country’s success while their neighbors bleed from sniper fire should seek to find out where they lost their humanity …”

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-s-spring-bloom-faded-in-palestinian-blood-1.5964360

    Both are worth a read. This is not going to go away, and the IOF continues to murder as usual.

    • Maghlawatan
      April 3, 2018, 4:46 am

      “We are not savages. We just want freedom” is immensely powerful.

      Israelis have no idea what ending the peace process means to foreigners. It means we expect a solution.
      Gazans are right to march to the border.

      • catalan
        April 3, 2018, 11:23 am

        “To quote only three statements by the leadership of Hamas regarding the matter” Misterioso
        Of course what they say publicly is different. Your quotes are worthless. I understand these types of people very well – what they want is to annihilate Israel and then to kill all Jews worldwide. They won’t say it publicly though, but they say it privately.
        Either way, what does it matter what “my ilk” and I think – you have indicated on numerous occasions that Israel is collapsing under the pressure of BDS. So I have accepted it – you are right – Israel is basically finished because of the consumer boycotts. You have won the battle!
        As to my grandparents being ashamed of me – what an odd statement. Why do you think that all Jews who survived the Holocaust hate Israel? Plenty of them live in Israel. Mondoweiss is not the world.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2018, 11:40 am

        I understand these types of people very well – what they want is to annihilate Israel and then to kill all Jews worldwide.

        the breadth of your knowledge and understanding is truly remarkable catalan. tell us, what experiences have led to such unique prescience. your originality is mind-boggling.

      • catalan
        April 3, 2018, 12:08 pm

        ” tell us, what experiences have led to such unique prescience. your originality is mind-boggling.”
        Annie,
        it does not matter what I think because BDS is winning and Israel is losing. In a few years, Israel will be defeated. Who can withstand the power of boycotts? As to how I know – I just do; lots of reading I guess. I understand sociopaths very well.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2018, 12:20 pm

        you keep saying it doesn’t matter what you think, but i don’t believe you. if you really thought that you’d stop the taunting sadistic condescension that permeates so much of your discourse here. you must think it’s effective but i disagree. however, as you represent a particular mindframe, your posts stand as one (of many) examples of why israel is not revered online — why they are losing the youth and will continue to.

        funny you should mention sociopaths. yes, i do believe you “know” them very well.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 12:17 pm

        “I understand these types of people very well – what they want is to annihilate Israel and then to kill all Jews worldwide.”

        Better stay in New Mexico, where you’ll be much safer than Israel.

      • catalan
        April 3, 2018, 1:36 pm

        “your posts stand as one (of many) examples of why israel is not revered online” annie
        Of course it is not revered; as we see from the comments here, the Jewish religion and people is intensely disliked by a not small sector of the population. Islam/Buddhism/Confucianism/Christianity is never questioned the same way. I feel like I have worked pretty hard my entire life. Yet, there are so many people who believe that I am an enemy of the human race for simply existing (or, alternately, that whatever I have is ill begotten). Mondoweiss has convinced me that there never will be peace and that the root of the problem is hatred of Jews. You think BDS is the way to go for your side and I wish you luck. But don’t expect me to wish for my own destruction.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 2:28 pm

        “You think BDS is the way to go for your side and I wish you luck.”

        Don’t sell yourself short, “catalam”. You contribute “hits”, “UPVs” and even the occasional “session” to Mondo. And with responses from others. That’s worth much more than “luck” to a website.

      • echinococcus
        April 3, 2018, 2:55 pm

        Catalan,

        there are so many people who believe that I am an enemy of the human race for simply existing

        How frequently are you having recurrent thoughts like these?
        I can recommend an excellent shrink in Albuquerque. Don’t neglect to visit her, this may become very serious for yourself and your family.

        (or, alternately, that whatever I have is ill begotten)

        Now that is something you should really know. If that’s factual or not, I mean.

        But visit the shrink anyway.

      • just
        April 3, 2018, 3:15 pm

        “You think BDS is the way to go for your side and I wish you luck. But don’t expect me to wish for my own destruction.”

        I normally only laugh, giggle and roll my eyes @ your hubris and keep going along without commenting. You outed yourself when you ‘arrived’ with your pretend ‘poor, poor me’ that was quickly followed by your hubris and narcissism. Love the poseur in you!//not.

        Today, you still ‘crack me up’! LOL. Keep ’em coming.

      • eljay
        April 3, 2018, 6:54 pm

        || catalan: … You think BDS is the way to go for your side and I wish you luck. But don’t expect me to wish for my own destruction. ||

        BDS applies to Israel and you – a Bulgarian who hails from Spain (you guess) and lives in New Mexico – are not remotely Israeli.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        April 3, 2018, 6:57 pm

        Well, now when Russia, Turkey and Iran seem to be allied on one side and Saudis with U.S. and Israel on the other, might be that the whole BDS is totally unneccessary. If these two blocs are going to start to show who is the biggest, the strongest and the greatest, I am sure the whole Middle East will be destroyed in a short while. So no worries, if the BDS won’t solve the problem, the big boys will.

      • Misterioso
        April 3, 2018, 7:39 pm

        @Catalan

        Sigh. More bilge. At least you’re consistent.

        To state the obvious: All Netanyahu, et al, have to do is agree to meet with the Hamas leadership and discuss its peace overtures, which include agreeing to Israel retaining 78% of historic Palestine. Of course, as anyone with an IQ over room temperature realizes, Netanyahu and his fellow thugs are intent on maintaining Israel’s illegal and brutal occupations of Palestinian and other Arab lands and are deathly afraid that Hamas is in fact sincere.

      • Misterioso
        April 3, 2018, 7:57 pm

        @catalan

        Regarding your statement, “[as] to my grandparents being ashamed of me – what an odd statement. Why do you think that all Jews who survived the Holocaust hate Israel? Plenty of them live in Israel.”

        Yes plenty do. However, how most got there is worthy of note:

        That saving Jews from the Nazis was not the priority of American Zionists was clearly shown during the war. When President Roosevelt became aware of the dire circumstances of European Jews (who were thought at the time to be about 80% of the total number of refugees), he sent his close friend Morris Ernst (a key member of the Democratic party and leader of the New York Jewish community) to London during the middle of the war to see if England and the Commonwealth would join the United States and other countries in taking in a half million Jewish refugees through a generous worldwide policy of political asylum once Hitler was defeated. (Roosevelt felt he could sell the plan to the American Congress if Britain agreed.)

        Ernst returned home jubilant and advised the President that Britain agreed to “match the United States up to 150,000.” Roosevelt replied:”150,000 to England – 150,000 to match that in the United States – pick up 200,000 or 300,000 elsewhere, and we can start with half a million of these oppressed people.” One week later, however, the President informed Ernst that the program had to be abandoned because “…the dominant vocal Jewish leadership of America won’t stand for it…the Zionist movement knows [that it] can raise vast sums for Palestine by saying to donors, `There is no other place this poor Jew can go.'”

        Ernst refused to believe Roosevelt and went about seeking the support of American Jews for the plan. Their response shocked him: “I was thrown out of parlours of friends of mine who very frankly said, `Morris, this is treason. You are undermining the Zionist movement’. [I found] a deep genuine, often fanatically emotional vested interest in putting over the [movement in men] who are little concerned about human blood if it is not their own.” (Morris Ernst, So Far So Good, Harper & Brothers: New York, 1948, pp. 172-177)

        In 1947, Representative William G. Stratton introduced a bill to the Congress aimed primarily at Jewish refugees which would have admitted up to 400,000 displaced persons of all faiths into the United States. Shamefully, however, the Stratton Bill never got past hearings of the House Foreign Affairs Committee because it was ignored by the Zionist lobby which wanted nothing to interfere with the flow of Jews into Palestine.

        The Zionist campaign to force European Jews to go to Palestine (and later Israel) after the war while doing everything possible to prevent them from finding new homes in the United States, did not escape criticism by all American Jews. The Yiddish Bulletin wrote: “…by insisting that Jewish D.P.’s do not wish to go to any country outside of Israel; by not participating in the negotiations on behalf of the D.P.’s; and by refraining from a campaign of their own – by all this they [the Zionists] certainly did not help to open the gates of America for Jews. In fact, they sacrificed the interests of living people – their brothers and sisters who went through a world of pain – to the politics of their own movement.” (Yiddish Bulletin, Free Jewish Club, May 19, 1950)

        The Zionists made it very clear to Truman that their backing would only be forthcoming if he did not impede their efforts to take possession of Palestine by allowing European Jewish refugees to immigrate to the United States. “…an aide sympathetic to Zionism [advised Truman] not to offer haven to Jewish displaced persons in the United States as this would dilute the argument that an independent Jewish state was required to absorb them.” (Charles Smith Palestine And The Arab Israel Conflict, p. 128)

        Ben-Gurion and the Jewish Agency were preventing European Jews who had sought temporary sanctuary in Palestine during the war from returning to their homes. Britain was well aware of this and Lord Halifax, British Ambassador to the United States made a point of informing Secretary of State Byrnes “that the Zionists were using every possible form of intimidation to stop Jews from leaving Palestine to go back to Europe and play their part in its reconstruction.” (FR: 1945, Vol. Vlll p. 775; cited by Lilienthal, The Zionist Connection, p. 52)

        Some American Jews publicly criticized the Zionists for using their influence to prevent the admission of Jewish refugees into the United States. Among them was Arthur Sulzberger, publisher of the New York Times who called for a reversal of Zionist policy that put statehood first, refugees last: “Admitting that the Jews of Europe have suffered beyond expression, why in God’s name should the fate of all these unhappy people be subordinated to the single cry of Statehood? I cannot rid myself of the feeling that the unfortunate Jews of Europe’s D.P. [Displaced Persons] camps are helpless hostages for whom statehood has been made the only ransom.” (New York Times, October 27, 1946; quoted by Lilienthal, What Price Israel?, p. 37)

        During an interview in 1951, one of America’s most renowned theologians, Dr. Louis Finkelstein of the Jewish Theological Seminary in Manhattan declared that he had always felt “if United States Jews had put as much effort into getting [Jewish] D.P.’s admitted to this country as they put into Zionism, a home could have been found in the New World for all the displaced Jews of Europe.” (Quoted by Lilienthal, WPI?, p. 36)

        On 2 May 1948, in a report delivered to the pro-Zionist American Jewish Conference regarding “Jewish Displaced Persons in the American Occupied Zone of Germany,” Jewish Chaplain Klausner (himself a dedicated Zionist) stated that “The Jews as a group are not overwhelmingly desirous of going to Palestine…we may predict that perhaps 30% of the people will go to Palestine.” (Lilienthal, WPI? p. 260)

        Klausner concluded that the displaced Jews “… must be forced to go to Palestine…. By ‘force’ I suggest a program. It is not a new program. It was used before, and most recently. It was used in the evacuation of the Jews from Poland and in the story of [the refugee ship] the `Exodus’.” Klausner went on to explain what his “program” would involve: “The first step…is the adoption of the principle that it is the conviction of the world Jewish community that these people must go to Palestine. The second step is the transmittal of that policy to the Displaced Persons. The third step is for the world Jewish community to offer the people the opportunity to go to Palestine….”

        The strategy suggested by Klausner to persuade Jews in the Displaced Persons camps to immigrate to Israel was implemented. Its tactics included: “confiscation of food rations, dismissal from work, smashing of machines sent by Americans to train D.P.’s in useful skills, taking away legal protection and visa rights from dissenters, expulsion from the camps of political opponents and, in one instance, even the public flogging of a recalcitrant recruit for the Israel Army. Trucks of the Jewish Agency were known to drive through the Jewish camps in Germany, ‘picking up’ boys and young men. Strange transports left Germany every week for France where, as a first step en route to Israel, the herded people were kept in camps established at Marseilles. In Germany’s D.P. camps, stories were spread that pogroms were taking place in parts of the United States.” (Lilienthal, WPI?, pp. 196-197)

        As they were reluctant to heed the “call of Zion,” Israeli immigration agents had to “encourage” and in some cases, force Eastern European Jews to immigrate to Israel. “The government [of Israel] made great efforts to encourage Jews in Eastern Europe to migrate to Israel. Its immigration agent in Romania reported in 1950: ‘Working through the local leadership and every reliable Jew we have met, we are urging Jews to make application for emigration and for passports.’ Agents tried to get emigrating Jews to Israel. In Poland Israeli officials would ‘send the people directly to the port, so they would not be able to stop en route,’ reported Samuel Eliashiv, Israel’s ambassador to Czechoslovakia. Israel’s consul in Warsaw, Israel Carmel, found that persuasion was difficult. ‘The awakening of the Jews in Poland will not happen by itself,’ he reported in 1949. ‘They must be motivated and organized.'” (Quigley, p. 99)

        Enough said. You’re either stupid or you’ve been brainwashed.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 8:07 pm

        “You outed yourself when you ‘arrived’ with your pretend ‘poor, poor me’ that was quickly followed by your hubris and narcissism.”

        Uriah Heepowitz.

      • JLewisDickerson
        April 3, 2018, 10:04 pm

        RE: “catalan”

        MY QUESTION: Do you have a connection with Spain?

        DEDICATED TO THE SETTLERS IN THE WEST BANK:

      • JLewisDickerson
        April 3, 2018, 10:17 pm

        DEDICATED TO THE PEOPLE OF GAZA (WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE ‘HOLE’ A HELL OF A LOT LONGER THAN 30 DAYS):

      • Marnie
        April 4, 2018, 12:35 am

        “Of course it is not revered; as we see from the comments here, the Jewish religion and people is intensely disliked by a not small sector of the population.”

        Hogwash. The jewish religion may take some hits, like most religions, but there is a clear distinction between jewish people and zionism/zionists. The zionists and their treacherous movement poses the danger to jewish lives by continuing to conflate judaism with it’s nationalistic agenda. Most people see the difference but of course it’s the zionists who continually attempt to blur the lines.

        On the subject of what people say in private and in public – watch your ass catalan. Bigger one’s than yours got caught saying privately what they dare not say in public.

        Netanyahu Unaware of the Camera ‘America can easily be moved …
        Video for netanyahu said america was easy to move▶ 1:13
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw

        The paranoia about ‘they want is to annhilate israel and then to kill all jews’ is the supreme masturbation fantasy of all zionists. Why don’t you find a nice woman or man and give your hand a rest? Maybe get a dog?

        At the rate the world kills brown-skinned people, one would think they would be the ones shrieking about non brown-skinned people just wanting to annhilate them. They actually have history on their side, past, present and probably the future, to substantiate that claim. Where’s yours?

      • just
        April 4, 2018, 1:08 am

        “Uriah Heepowitz.”

        Nailed it. Done.

        omg, Mooser!!!

        I cannot tell you how many times you’ve brought me joy on these pages with your wit and intelligence!

        Right now, I’ve had an arduous and interesting climb up past many a great comment to tell you how much you made my day to respond to your brilliant comment because I keep laughing through my sorrow!

        Never, ever leave us. Please.

      • echinococcus
        April 4, 2018, 2:02 am

        Eljay,

        Speak for yourself. You cannot control each person’s boycott objectives.
        Boycott and shunning applies to each and every Zionist anywhere.

      • gamal
        April 4, 2018, 8:45 am

        ” They actually have history on their side, past, present and probably the future, to substantiate that claim” …….

        “Where’s yours?”….that bloody dog ate it?

      • pabelmont
        April 4, 2018, 12:42 pm

        Misterioso — thanks for the scholarship above. Lilienthal et al., terrific sources. What a sordid history this Zionism has, and so many nowadays co-opted to march under its dirty banner.

      • Mooser
        April 4, 2018, 12:49 pm

        Thanks, “just”. I hope they don’t ban me for this one.

    • Misterioso
      April 3, 2018, 10:30 am

      For the record re Hamas:

      On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine per 1949 armistice agreements] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.”

      http://www.haaretz.com/isra…
      “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories. ” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010)

      In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, Israel promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-hamas-official-muslims-christians-jews-can-all-live-here-together-1.5957399
      “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’”
      “We asked Dr. Ahmed Yousef what Hamas is planning for the Passover holiday in Israel”
      By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz.

      EXCERPTS:
      “’Is Hamas moving from military action to civil action?
      ‘Actually, Mr. Nir, it is not Hamas who made the decision, but the youth. The main idea was thought up by the youth. There are people who think there is no hope, no future, and that we have to do something – ya’ani, to remind the whole world that we as Palestinians are still suffering, we are still living in the diaspora or in refugee camps, and there’s a certain decision by the United Nations, [Resolution] UN 194, [which calls for repatriation OR financial compensation for Palestinian refugees] that we are trying to implement, ya’ani, and to send a message to the world community that our problem is not solved and we’re still suffering, and continue to see our land being abused by the occupation, or Israelis trying to squeeze us to the corner, punishing the Palestinians, and this is something that this generation of Palestinians is not going to accept. And so they’re doing their own civil march, they don’t intend to do anything belligerent, and I think this is the message they would like to carry to the whole world, about the situation and the suffering in Gaza.’

      “’Okay, and the plans are to cross the border to the other side?’

      “‘No, no, no, no one is talking about crossing the border. No. It will take place inside the area. It’s something that can take place near the border, not too close to the border, but it can be in the buffer zone, or near the border. We will hold various activities, singing, folklore performances, Palestinian folklore.’”

      “’In one sentence, is there anything you would like to say to people in Israel?”

      “‘I can tell them, look, you’ve suffered a lot as Jews around the world, and there were issues of suffering and agony in Spain or Europe. You were treated badly in Europe during the war and also during the inquisition in Spain. Don’t repeat what you have suffered. You are causing the Palestinians suffering by pushing them to the wall. This land, Palestine, is the holy land for all the people of Abrahamic faiths, who lived together through history for centuries. I think we can all live here in this land – Muslims, Christians and Jews – in this blessed land Allah chose for all the good people of Palestine, Muslims, Jews and Christians. This is my message to the Jewish community in Israel or to the Jewish people in Israel.’”

    • Misterioso
      April 3, 2018, 12:23 pm

      Good news from Canada:

      https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/980451431722385408

      Jameet Singh, leader of Canada’s federal NDP (New Democratic Party), speaks up on behalf of Gaza Strip Palestinians:

      “I am shocked by the violence in Gaza. The Canadian government must call on Israel to abide by its responsibilities under international law and call for an independent investigation. The killing, human rights violations and blockade must end.”

  2. John O
    April 2, 2018, 1:52 pm

    Speaking of the African refugees, this from the Guardian today:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/02/israel-agrees-un-deal-scrap-plan-deport-african-asylum-seekers

    The heading is misleading, since the plan involves dumping some of the refugees in places like Canada, Italy and Germany.

    This, too, is likely to backfire. Rightly or wrongly, many Germans and Italians are fed up with taking in ever more refugees. Taking in people from Israel, a rich country that doesn’t want them for reasons of racial purity, will not go down well.

  3. ckg
    April 2, 2018, 2:54 pm

    “Apartheid Israel can be defeated, just as apartheid in South Africa was defeated”.
    –Winne Mandela, 9/6/36  – 4/2/18 .

  4. amigo
    April 2, 2018, 3:30 pm

    OT but newsworthy.

    CNN –Blitzer bemoans the decision by Sinclair to hand Promos to local station anchors (170 ) to read out condemning “Fake News” and praising Donald Trump,s policies.

    He said that it is troubling to witness Anchors being forced to read out scripts they do not agree with to save their jobs.

    Hello Wolfy boy–is that not what you do to please your Zionist bosses.

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/01/media/sinclair-anchor-promos/index.html

    • just
      April 2, 2018, 4:13 pm

      heh, amigo.

      This just in:

      “Rep. Betty McCollum

      I am horrified by the tragic wounding & killing of Palestinian protesters in Gaza last Friday. Attacks on peaceful Palestinian protesters must end, and the U.S. & the international community must do more to support a resolution to the conflict.”

      https://twitter.com/BettyMcCollum04/status/980878258517565440

      I was wondering where she was and have checked often since Friday… btw, ma’am it’s not really a “conflict”, is it? It was and is massacre/murders. Please step it up.

  5. Donald Johnson
    April 2, 2018, 4:14 pm

    The Israelis are doing what they have always done, but modern technology is catching up with them. It’s harder to gun people down in cold blood without someone catching it on camera and putting it online. In the old days it would be filtered through the NYT in “he said, she said” fashion and they could claim they were shooting back at terrorist snipers.

  6. zaid
    April 2, 2018, 4:27 pm

    Phill

    ” many of them plainly unarmed”

    All of them were unarmed including the 5 (not ten)Hamas members who died (they were unarmed and part of the peaceful protest like anyone else).

  7. Ossinev
    April 2, 2018, 4:44 pm

    @John O
    ” Rightly or wrongly, many Germans and Italians are fed up with taking in ever more refugees. Taking in people from Israel, a rich country that doesn’t want them for reasons of racial purity, will not go down well”
    I hate the term “fake news” but I do think it applies in this case. Given the current level of anti – immigrant feelings in the German and Italian populace I think there would be riots on the streets. “will not go down well” is putting it very mildly.

    I think this simply a case of the Yahoo being stymied by the Israel Supreme Court and dreaming up a fake solution scenario just to satisfy the 110% racist right wing Zioloonies on whom he depends for political survival.

  8. Maghlawatan
    April 2, 2018, 5:06 pm

    The juxtaposition of passover and the Israeli angel of death is perfect.
    Israel made Gaza into an open air hell. Israel micromanages Gaza. The beauty of Gaza for Israelis is that they can shoot to kill. Now Israel shoots itself in the foot . Beautiful.

    Oren is a scumbag.

    • Michael Rabb
      April 3, 2018, 8:36 am

      it’s a pity ! really !
      just as we sit down for Seder on the high holy day of Passover (you know when we celebrate killing Egyptian babies) these uppity Palestinians have the nerve to get up close to the edge of their concentration camp and peacefully demonstrate and shake their fists at us. I say kill ’em … kill ’em all … no wait, we already tried that .

      • eljay
        April 3, 2018, 8:59 am

        || Michael Rabb: … just as we sit down for Seder … these uppity Palestinians have the nerve to get up close to the edge of their concentration camp and peacefully demonstrate and shake their fists at us. I say kill ’em … kill ’em all … no wait, we already tried that . ||

        IMO, the “Jewish State” and its “world’s most moral army” hasn’t made a real effort to “kill ’em all”…yet.

  9. Citizen
    April 2, 2018, 5:24 pm

    Ex-IDF Security General: “I don’t know what IDF could do if 300,000 (non-violent Palestinians protesting for basic human rights) try to trample Gaza fence” https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-general-i-dont-know-what-idf-could-do-if-300000-try-to-trample-gaza-fence/ via @timesofisrael

  10. catalan
    April 2, 2018, 6:01 pm

    I think that the Israelis did not handle that well. What they could do next time is wait for the fence to be breached. Then once the Hamas guys come into Israeli territory the IDF can legitimately open fire; probably there will be a lot more victims and no claim can be made about peaceful protesting.

    • gamal
      April 2, 2018, 6:13 pm

      “Then once the Hamas guys come into Israeli territory the IDF”

      Palestinians going home is not an act of war, interfering in the exercise of their fundamental right to do so is a crime an international crime.

      “did not handle that well” ? “the IDF can legitimately open fire”, it’s not the killing it’s the embarrassment that bothers you, wow rasta got soul, but you do realise you are not helping, that comment is stupid…you should just tell us how you would like to kill Palestinians, legitimately…joker

    • amigo
      April 2, 2018, 6:33 pm

      “Then once the Hamas guys come into Israeli territory the IDF can legitimately open fire; probably there will be a lot more victims and no claim can be made about peaceful protesting.” catalan

      Dopey , the most moral already used that excuse .

      Don,t you read any of the articles before you go ahead and show us what a knuckle head you are.

      BTW , I thought you just told us a few days ago , you never tell others what they should do.

      “Unlike you I don’t have any desire to tell others what to do.”catalan

      http://mondoweiss.net/2018/03/nytimes-nonviolent-protesters/#comment-911659

    • LHunter
      April 2, 2018, 6:53 pm

      cataloon – ya – wait for the fence to be breached before you open fire on an unarmed crowd of protesters trying to regain their freedom and rights from their oppressors and colonizers. How very good of you to show such restraint

      I guess the Palestinians should have opened fire on the European Jews as they were coming off the boats in Palestine to invade their country. Missed opportunities. Maybe they can start picking off settlers in the west bank – better to let the settlers gather in large groups before they fire at them – the Zionists have shown us all how much more efficient that is.

      • Shingo
        April 3, 2018, 3:23 pm

        I guess the Palestinians should have opened fire on the European Jews as they were coming off the boats in Palestine to invade their country. Missed opportunities. Maybe they can start picking off settlers in the west bank – better to let the settlers gather in large groups before they fire at them – the Zionists have shown us all how much more efficient that is.

        Priceless comment that highlights the hypocrisy of Israeli apologists. Can anyone imagine anything more unjust and vulgar than expelling Palestinians from their home, stealing their land then turning around and branding them as foreign invaders returning to threaten the sovereign Jewish state?

      • ritzl
        April 4, 2018, 1:59 pm

        Uh…Yup!

        Good one, LHunter.

    • amigo
      April 2, 2018, 6:55 pm

      “I think that the Israelis did not handle that well. What they could do next time is wait for the fence to be breached” catalan.

      Hey general catalan , the Gaza border with Israel (so called ) is 60 miles long .Israel does not have enough heroes to defend that border and remember there is a border between Lebanon and the Jordan and the west bank so best of luck stopping 500,000 plus Palestinians pouring into zioland at points all along Israel,s so called borders.

      Israel,s most Moral will turn tail and run as fast as they can right to the nearest Sea or airport , dropping their weapons and trampling over each other.

      Crossing into Lebanon is not an option or Jordan and no , Syria is probably off limits.Maybe their good friends in Egypt might take them in , but I wouldn,t guarantee a red carpet treatment there either.

      Yup a fitting end to the zionist project just seventy years after it started .Isn,t that about the same period the last so called Jewish empire lasted.

    • Brewer
      April 2, 2018, 7:09 pm

      The “Israeli territory” proximate to Gaza belongs to the inmates behind the fence – by International law and U.N. dictate.
      Your sentence should read: “Then once the Hamas guys come into occupied territory” which obviously negates this ” the IDF can legitimately open fire”.

    • Misterioso
      April 3, 2018, 9:48 am

      @catalan

      You missed your calling. You would have had a brilliant career serving Germany’s Third Reich!!

      • catalan
        April 3, 2018, 10:07 am

        “You would have had a brilliant career serving Germany’s Third Reich!!”
        I sure wish; but given that they took my grandparents to camps and almost put them on the trains I doubt they would have taken me. On the other hand, surely Hamas with their ideology of exterminating Jews everywhere would have gotten along with Hitler just great.

      • Annie Robbins
        April 3, 2018, 12:09 pm

        speaking of ‘ideologies of extermination’, what did you think of israel’s blatant and boastful pre protest announcement they’d be greeting the peaceful protestors with 100 snipers. impressive don’t you think? and then afterwards the claims hamas virtually set them up. such subtle hasbara, more brilliance from the pro israel faction in the blogisphere. why you’d think israel would just be getting more popular by the day! no?

        Israel is basically finished because of the consumer boycotts. You have won the battle!

        it’s that sadistic glee that sets you apart catalan.

      • Misterioso
        April 3, 2018, 10:56 am

        @Catalan

        I’m truly sorry to hear about your grandparents. However, we are discussing YOU and there is no escaping the fact that you and your ilk behave and speak like Nazis. Indeed, I’m certain if your grandparents were still alive they would be utterly disgusted with you.

        As for your assertion that “[on] the other hand, surely Hamas with their ideology of exterminating Jews everywhere would have gotten along with Hitler just great,” it’s pure bull****.

        To quote only three statements by the leadership of Hamas regarding the matter:

        http://www.haaretz.com/isra…
        “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories. ” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010)

        In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, Israel promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

        https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-hamas-official-muslims-christians-jews-can-all-live-here-together-1.5957399
        “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’”
        “We asked Dr. Ahmed Yousef what Hamas is planning for the Passover holiday in Israel”
        By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz.

        EXCERPT:
        “In one sentence, is there anything you would like to say to people in Israel?”

        ”I can tell them, look, you’ve suffered a lot as Jews around the world, and there were issues of suffering and agony in Spain or Europe. You were treated badly in Europe during the war and also during the inquisition in Spain. Don’t repeat what you have suffered. You are causing the Palestinians suffering by pushing them to the wall. This land, Palestine, is the holy land for all the people of Abrahamic faiths, who lived together through history for centuries. I think we can all live here in this land – Muslims, Christians and Jews – in this blessed land Allah chose for all the good people of Palestine, Muslims, Jews and Christians. This is my message to the Jewish community in Israel or to the Jewish people in Israel.’”

        As for Netanyahu and the Likud party, here’s a brief summation of their positions that explain why the conflict continues:
        The Likud Party Platform:
        a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
        b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
        c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
        d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

        Unfortunately, Israel’s response to every peace overture from the Palestinians and Arab states, has been an escalation of illegal settlement construction, dispossession and oppression in occupied Palestinian and other Arab lands.

  11. eljay
    April 2, 2018, 6:25 pm

    It must be hard on Zionists not to be able consistently to stand up for justice, accountability and equality to murder non-Jews “in the dark, without witnesses and cameras”  :-(

  12. Mayhem
    April 2, 2018, 7:26 pm

    “But the media narrative is hardening, Israel went way too far. ”
    Israel is too willing to listen to the clamouring, mindless media and has not gone far enough to eliminate what remains a constant bellicose threat.
    Israel doesn’t need to excuse the simple fact that it has the obligation to protect the country’s sovereignty and its citizens.
    This was not a peaceful protest and consequently Hamas bears the responsibility for rallying people to oppose Israel’s existence. Hamas is deliberately distracting its own people from the fact that Hamas has created a social environment in which many of its own people are struggling to establish a livelihood.
    When will Hamas divert its wasteful military expenditures (much to the consternation of Fatah with whom its partnership is very tenuous) to the true benefit of its own people?

    • amigo
      April 2, 2018, 8:01 pm

      “Israel doesn’t need to excuse the simple fact that it has the obligation to protect the country’s sovereignty and its citizens.” mayhem

      Perhaps you can provide us all with a map that shows the borders delineating Israel,s sovereignty.

      Otherwise your post is somewhat vacuous .

      • Mayhem
        April 2, 2018, 9:29 pm

        @amigo, check out the maps that the ‘Palestinians’ produce which don’t show Israel at all. With their bloody-minded menace they are obsessed with annihilating Israel.

    • LHunter
      April 2, 2018, 10:07 pm

      Shooting unarmed protestors in the back while walking away from the fence or while praying is how Israelis protect their country?

      Do you believe Jews are superior to Palestinians? Do you believe a Palestinian life is worth less than a Jewish life? Do you believe all races in the USA deserve equal rights? Do you believe Jews in other countries should be singled out with separate Id’s, separate roads to travel on, barred from becoming presidents and prime ministers in those countries, segregated into Jewish only ghettos, denied basic human rights? Do you believe racism against Jews in other countries should be supported by legislation? Do you believe apartheid is a model to employ against Jews in other countries?

      • amigo
        April 3, 2018, 2:00 pm

        “@amigo, check out the maps that the ‘Palestinians’ produce which don’t show Israel at all.”mayhem.

        I asked you to provide a map of the Israeli “Sovereign ” territory you claim the IOF (most moral killers) are defending from marauding hordes of Arabs.

        I take it from your response , you could not find such a map.

        “With their bloody-minded menace they are obsessed with annihilating Israel.” mayhem.

        Wrong again mayhem. The folks at Hamas central agreed to recognise Israel on the basis of 67 borders , with land swaps .

        Do you ever get anything factual .

        Imagine the Historic Homeland of the Jewish People– sans frontiere.Better get your topographers busy creating a map.It,s not rocket science .

      • Mayhem
        April 3, 2018, 11:12 pm

        @amigo, since when does any offer by a terrorist organisation bent on Israel’s destruction have any credibility?

  13. LHunter
    April 2, 2018, 7:27 pm

    Great summary of how this massacre is being discussed and ignored.

    All those who have called upon the Palestinians to peacefully protest against their oppressors (instead of firing rockets) are now aware of just how futile and deadly their call was and is. Every avenue the Palestinians have tried has been met with deadly force.

    Now that Israel has egg on its face, J-Street and the other apologists are silent – vile cowards waiting for the storm to pass. I hope they feel ashamed and are shunned by good people. If this doesn’t wake up the liberal Zionist Jew nothing will.

    • Shingo
      April 3, 2018, 4:13 pm

      All those who have called upon the Palestinians to peacefully protest against their oppressors (instead of firing rockets) are now aware of just how futile and deadly their call was and is. Every avenue the Palestinians have tried has been met with deadly force.

      It looks like the Hasbarats are going to have to retire the talking point about how there would be peace if the Palestinians laid down their weapons. It should be replaced with how much easier it will be to kill Palestinians

      • ritzl
        April 4, 2018, 2:06 pm

        “…It should be replaced with how much easier it will be to kill Palestinians.”

        Which was the point all along.

  14. LHunter
    April 2, 2018, 7:49 pm

    “Michael Oren who can spin anything can’t spin this one.”

    What a foolish tool Oren is – I agree he can spin anything – I’m glad you didn’t say Oren can “successfully” spin anything – we all know that would be inaccurate

    Anyone who may have missed Oren’s last futile spin should read the great article by Mondo contributor Mr. Ofir – http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/israel-real-state/

    There will come a day when people are scratching their heads at the utter nonsense and unchecked unabashed violence that came from Zionism/Zionists while the West turned a blind eye.

    • genesto
      April 3, 2018, 3:22 pm

      I disagree that Michael Oren can spin anything. Wasn’t it he who claimed that the Tamimi family is nothing but a Palywood acting group? Then there was the interview on 60 minutes some years ago when he got caught with his pants down trying to get the program to squelch the story of how Christians are persecuted in Israel, only to be exposed by Bob Simon on camera for his ham-handed attempts.

      No, Michael Oren is nothing but an utter embarrassment to the Zionist establishment. Here’s hoping he’s stays in office, though I expect him to be ‘retired’ soon. He’s a positive force for our side!

      • LHunter
        April 4, 2018, 11:30 am

        genesto – happy to give the Zionists as much rope as they want – hang away and soon I hope.

        Perhaps we can agree that Oren tries to spin things – he’s definitely bad at it

  15. CigarGod
    April 2, 2018, 8:36 pm

    Bernie: “…Israel overreacted…”
    Wow!
    Sorry Phil, I know you are giving this the weight of a brick, but it doesn’t even have the weight of a feather, imo.

    • Kathleen
      April 2, 2018, 10:14 pm

      Fair point. The bar is so low for our Reps that a tiny bit of the truth seems like a miracle…when most of our Reps kiss Israel’s ass even when it is covered with blood.

      • CigarGod
        April 3, 2018, 10:31 am

        Yep.
        If old “Fool me once…” Bernie was anything but a ghost, he would have mentioned the number: 1500 wounded.
        But, that would have been at odds with his minimization (overreacted).

      • ritzl
        April 4, 2018, 2:09 pm

        Well said CigarGod.

  16. Kay24
    April 2, 2018, 9:15 pm

    This should make any people from any nation ashamed. The world is witnessing, a massacre of innocent civilians, doing what people in democracies are able to do, protesting. It also shows young kids being killed by snipers and shot AT THE BACK, while walking/running/praying, away from the killer’s vantage point.

    Just like the last massacre in Gaza in 2014, this time too, videos, have shown just how brutal Israel can be, and the usual lies are not sticking this time too. They cannot get away with the lies anymore. No, they cannot ALL be Hamas, no, they were not a threat to the well armed IDF, no, they were walking AWAY from the killers, and according to that deleted tweet, the IDF came fully prepared to kill, and they HAVE to account for every bullet that killed kids from the back. they bragged about it. How long do they think they can blame Hamas, cast all Palestinians as militants, and justify it all by claiming they are defending themselves. WHAT ABOUT PALESTINIANS RIGHTS AND THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM THESE BRUTAL KILLERS, THEIR OCCUPATION, AND THEIR LANDS BEING STOLEN? WHY DO FULLY ARMED TRAINED MILITARY ONLY HAVE THOSE RIGHTS?

    It is embarrassing to see the US time after time, come out and cast blame on the powerless Palestinians, and then veto any resolution that condemns the slaughter of unarmed civilians, or human rights violations by Israel. The US has lost it’s moral authority, when it come to Israel. That logistical support given by Mossad, must be worth it. Shame on ALL those Americans who keep supporting the violence, the occupation, the land grabs, and covering up for Israel’s large behind.

    Where are the voices of the Arab nations? How about Saudi Arabia, Israel good buddy? Have they lost their voices when it comes to the zionists? It is time the new Prince Salman, condemned his new buddy, for killing civilians. The more Israel kills, makes lame excuses, lies, and keeps justifying deaths, the more THEY look like butchers.
    Hasbara is not working, and refusing ANY investigation, make them look even more guilty.

    • just
      April 2, 2018, 9:36 pm

      MBS is busy right now entertaining and being entertained in the US.

      Meanwhile: “A Saudi-led coalition airstrike killed at least 12 civilians, including seven children, in the coastal city of Hodeidah on Monday, media reports citing medics and witnesses.

      The 12 victims were all reported to be from the same family. People on the ground said the blast destroyed a house in the al-Hali district of the city. Hodeidah is home to the largest port in war-torn Yemen. It’s the main distribution point for aid for the millions of civilians on the brink of famine following the three-year conflict. …”

      https://www.rt.com/news/422957-saudi-airstrike-kills-twelve-yemen/amp/

      (they’ve learned very well from their “allies”)

      Before that, this happened on Saturday:

      “Major fire at Yemen’s Hodeidah port destroys aid supplies

      ADEN (Reuters) – A fire broke out at the Houthi-controlled Yemeni port of Hodeidah early on Saturday, destroying warehouses filled with cooking fuel and foodstuffs, port workers said.”

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yemen-port-security/major-fire-at-yemens-hodeidah-port-destroys-aid-supplies-idUSKBN1H70DU

    • LHunter
      April 2, 2018, 9:53 pm

      Saudi Arabia is Israel’s just as ugly twin. No help will come from this disgusting backward monarchy that is preoccupied with wealth and power not humanity.

      This massacre is akin to shooting fish in a barrel for the cowardly Israeli military who got their asses fed to them by the Hezbollah – can you imagine these spoiled useless twits actually fighting a well armed/trained Iranian military – what a disaster it would be for Israel. But Israel is to sly for that – they’ll get non-jews to fight their wars and reap all the rewards – its the Zionist way.

      • Kay24
        April 3, 2018, 8:33 pm

        All those millions of dollars Saudi Arabia is paying to change their negative image, is for nothing.
        SA has hitched it’s wagon to a terror state, and just like the world dislikes Israel, SA will also be detested. The brutality and violence that the world has witness by video, will forever stick to Israel’s long list of crimes and human rights abuses, but we have gone down this road before, and the criminals with the protection of the US, will get away this time too.

    • Mayhem
      April 3, 2018, 7:20 pm

      Here we see people supporting the repressive police state instead of the free, democratic state. Israel is used to this hue and cry from those who use perverse inverted logic to criticise a country defending itself from those intent on one thing only, its destruction. Given that malevolent intent Israel is justified in standing up against such murderous threats. If these violent protests were not blocked with full force, of which the Gazans were amply forewarned, then they would continue in the same vein undeterred. Now Hamas might think twice before trying another propaganda ploy in which they are willing to sacrifice their citizens as political pawns.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 8:50 pm

        Pathetic, “Mayhem” Afn gonif brennt das hittel

      • Mayhem
        April 4, 2018, 6:44 am

        Shameful, “Mooser”, mir ton nit darfn eydn vi ir

      • eljay
        April 4, 2018, 8:00 am

        || Mayhem: … Israel is used to this hue and cry from those who use perverse inverted logic to criticise a country defending itself from those intent on one thing only, its destruction. Given that malevolent intent Israel is justified in standing up against such murderous threats. If these violent protests were not blocked with full force, of which the Gazans were amply forewarned, then they would continue in the same vein undeterred. Now Hamas might think twice before trying another propaganda ploy in which they are willing to sacrifice their citizens as political pawns. ||

        You’ve made an excellent case for Palestinians to shoot-to-kill Israeli colonists who are being sacrificed by Israel as political pawns in a propaganda ploy. After all, Palestinians would be defending themselves from malevolent Zionism that has been working hard for 70 years to destroy their country. The Palestinians failed to block these acts of colonialism with full force and – as the large # of colonies and colonists in not-Israel demonstrates – they have continued in the same vein undeterred.

      • Mayhem
        April 4, 2018, 6:48 pm

        @eljay, “malevolent Zionism that has been working hard for 70 years to destroy their country”. Despite the ‘Palestinians’ who are doing everything they can to drag Israel back to the Stone Age, Israel the ONLY country in the Middle East that shines the beacons of creativity, freedom and democracy providing equal opportunity for its Arab citizens to reach the pinnacles of society, fighting against the bloody-minded naysayers who have just one thing on their mind, the undermining of Israel and the sacrificing of it to Islamists and left-wing provocateurs who have only their failed ideologies at heart.

      • Kay24
        April 5, 2018, 8:20 pm

        Your comment reads like Israeli propaganda. It seems Israel’s Hasbara is not working anymore.
        The videos have made it hard for apologists to defend the indefensible.

    • druid
      April 3, 2018, 9:59 pm

      Saudi Arabia is the Arab version of Ziofascists

  17. Kathleen
    April 2, 2018, 10:05 pm

    PW “The country has plainly done something indefensible” Over and over again. Even though so many MSM outlets (Maddow, Reid, Matthews, Hayes etc CNN were basically silent) people are becoming so much more aware of Israel’s violent and deadly methods being systematically used.

    Senator Sanders steps out on this critical issue more than any of our Reps. He is by far the leader of the left, Although as I have shared before I went to a Trump rally outside of Dayton the summer of 2016. I wanted to talk with Trump supporters. I carried my “I support Bernie and I want to talk ” I love talking with people with different perspectives to find out what makes them tick….tock… Must have talked with at least 30 Trump supporters at length. Most of them said they admired Senator Sanders and liked what he was saying, I encouraged all to look closely at Senator Sanders voting record for blue collar workers etc, Most of them also said “but Bernie is a socialist” Then we would get into conversations about how they defined socialism.

    Anyway Bernie speaks for the real progressives and in so many ways for blue collar workers who were fooled by Trump. Bernie is the heart, mind and soul of true progressives and blue collar workers. I tear up when I think about Bernie’s integrity and commitment to deep and true values and issues. So want him to run again

    How to tell when Michael Oren is lying….his lips are moving,

    • Kathleen
      April 2, 2018, 10:21 pm

      I carried my “I support Bernie and I want to talk” sign.

      • echinococcus
        April 3, 2018, 5:11 am

        So you support a warmongering mountebank who already sold you down the river once (at least once.) How is that Demolicanorepucrat propaganda item relevant to Palestine? Do you think we forgot his support to the state of “Israel”, to the last Gaza massacre, to say nothing of the other US wars of aggression?

        As for the absurd contention that asking for more crumbs from the imperialist masters while supporting their wars can be called “left”, please observe that the most dangerous of the Zionist genocidaires who call themselves “left” also call themselves “Zionist Bloc” and that they are fully of the same ilk as your Sanders.

        Why can’t you “Democrat” imperialists leave your pitiable propaganda at the door of this discussion group when it is utterly irrelevant to the fight against Zionism?

      • Kathleen
        April 3, 2018, 8:54 am

        Fair points Echi. However like so many I have much to do in my own life. Five days a week I take care of 3 and 5 year old grandsons 5-9 hours a day and a 90 year old mother who I take care of full time. What can I do to help this horrific situation? I share accurate information about the conflict with as many as I can, I volunteer with a group periodically who bring Blumenthal, Salaita, Abunimah to town. I am in support of Sanders who is one of our only Reps who will walk out on a limb on this issue and has steadfastly supported hard working Americans and has been committed to keeping the safety nets for those who are unable to work hard for some reason or another. He has pushed back against Wall Street greed. He has worked hard for our Vets. I understand he comes up way short on the middle east. However our expectations are so very low when it comes to our Reps on this critical issue.

        I think I understand your anger about the bar for thinking one of our Reps is taking a very small and insignificant stand in many ways. However in comparison to our other Reps he is acting outside the support Israel completely no matter what they do box.

        What would you suggest people do who want to witness justice for the Palestinian people? Please share your suggestions.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 12:32 pm

        “Please share your suggestions.”

        “Kathleen”, I am sure that writing completely uncompromising comments hinting at extreme measures is well within your capabilities.

      • echinococcus
        April 3, 2018, 2:11 pm

        Kathleen,

        I have no recommendations outside the scope of this discussion group that certainly does include a good number of hangers-on of US imperialist parties/governments/politicians (including warmonger Sanders and his party) in addition to all possible other political tendencies, parties and countries (i.e. I may be a mortal enemy of all “Vets” after 1945, I could be a Wall Street monster myself for all you know –anything outside the scope of support to Palestinian resistance is irrelevant here; as for “Reps” the universe is not limited to your “parties”.) So I cannot recommend anything as I don’t share anything with you except a will to help the Palestinian resistance.

        It should be obvious to anyone (even to Mooser) that it’s really bad form to use your presence on this shared platform for posts that consist only of US domestic propaganda for parties/persons that are fully committed to helping the US-Zionist aggression against the Palestinian people. Like the Dem Party and Sanders, say.

      • Mooser
        April 3, 2018, 2:40 pm

        “It should be obvious to anyone (even to Mooser)…/…the Dem Party and Sanders, say.”

        You should get in touch with the Moderators.

      • echinococcus
        April 3, 2018, 3:06 pm

        What for, Mooser?
        Oh, you mean… for a drink?

      • Kathleen
        April 3, 2018, 8:29 pm

        Ech I would have really appreciated some serious suggestions. from your perespective

        It is rather pathetic that any of us feel hopeful about Senator Sanders willingness to come out during the campaign and in response to the recent massacre and express even the slightest criticism of Israel’s illegal and immoral actions. As pathetic as it is in so many ways this is as good as it gets at this point,

        He has moved the Dem party in a direction that I support and he has millions of people who support his efforts to level the playing field in this country.

      • echinococcus
        April 4, 2018, 1:55 am

        Kathleen,

        Please don’t think that I’m not taking this seriously. “As pathetic as it is in so many ways this is as good as it gets at this point” cannot be seen as a correct evaluation because there are a number of people who are not direct collaborators or first-person actors of Zionist banditism. Mr Sanders is such a collaborator and he is not the only person in the US of A. There are millions of people out there who are not committed snakes and can be made to listen to fact and logic.

        Also, the “Democrat” wing of the single dictatorship party is the main administrative organ of US imperialism. To even imagine that the owners of the country will allow anyone in or around that “party” to ever do anything that runs contrary to their plans (in our case that of full participation in the Zionist crimes) shows magical thinking at its worst. “This is as good as it gets” is absurd here, too: there are hundreds of millions of people out there who are not monopoly capitalists and warmakers; among them many millions are amenable to fact and logic and a good number of them are already fighting outside and against US imperialism and its Zionist action. Saying “this is as good as it gets” for the main administrative organ of US imperialism is no different than saying that a wild tiger is as good as it gets for saving a lamb from the tiger. Summary: the world is not composed of only your “party” and politics is not the same as the Demolican voting comedy.

        If the direct demonstration and confession by Sanders that his whole operation was the usual shepherd-dog trick did not open your eyes, the past several such operations during your lifetime should have. I am saying this limitedly to the old mountebank’s performance re Palestine (leaving you to figure out what damage he has done to the working class and other people, too.)

        This said, some expression of interest like “even that old warmonger Sanders feels obliged to somehow show distaste with Zionist tactics; let’s try to push him to do more” is of course OK –while imho ineffective.

        My objection, now, was about using this common discussion board, where the only common factor is supposed to be our solidarity with Palestinian resistance, as a pretext for disconnected posts that only contain party propaganda –and for the War Party, at that. Yours aren’t the only such ones, far from it, but you sound like the most reasonable person in the bunch.

      • Marnie
        April 4, 2018, 4:14 am

        ‘It is rather pathetic that any of us feel hopeful about Senator Sanders’ etc.

        Could not agree more. He takes too long to respond to ‘israel’s’ murderous rampages; he does get there, more than most, but feeling hopeful about him to me is almost like believing in the tooth fairy.

      • Mooser
        April 4, 2018, 2:55 pm

        “My objection, now, was about using this common discussion board, where the only common factor is supposed to be our solidarity with Palestinian resistance,”

        Gee, can’t understand why that is not stipulated on the about page or in the comment policy. No wonder the comments reflect so many different PsOV.

      • echinococcus
        April 4, 2018, 3:57 pm

        Gee, can’t understand why that is not stipulated on the about page or in the comment policy.

        How right you are, comrade Moose. The Party line as laid down in the “About” page and the “Comment Policy” has defined all possible correct interpretations. Personal thoughts not written in said pages are dangerous. Use of logic is nothing but proof of individualist deviation.

        Hereby I offer my abject autocriticism and request to be sent to the closest reeducation camp.

    • Maghlawatan
      April 3, 2018, 4:50 am

      Sanders is very impressive in interviews. He understands that this is a systemic crisis. His policies would break the elite wealth that sustains Israel.

  18. Kathleen
    April 2, 2018, 10:12 pm

    Anyone hear anything about the Palestinian massacre tonight (Monday) on MSNBC? Nothing out of Chris Matthews or Chris Hayes.

  19. Sibiriak
    April 2, 2018, 10:14 pm

    Sanders: … my assessment is that Israel overreacted…
    ————————-

    A stinging rebuke to Israeli state terror!

    • CigarGod
      April 3, 2018, 10:42 am

      Yep.
      1500 wounded doesn’t require more than a head shake, when even Muslim law makers in the USA are silent.

  20. Yonah Fredman
    April 2, 2018, 10:28 pm

    Israel’s biggest moral failing is regarding the West Bank, because regarding the West Bank, there is somewhat easy answer: withdrawal or ideological distancing from the settlement enterprise. But regarding Gaza there is no easy answer. Because a large majority of its population are refugees who consider their home in Israel ’48, the challenge Gaza poses is difficult. There is a wide gap between what Gazans need for justice and what West Bankers need for something approaching a modus vivendi, so Gaza is difficult.
    I was never in Gaza, though I travel through the West Bank at least once a year and if you include East Jerusalem, I visit the West Bank for a month every year, so Gaza is distant in a way that Jerusalem and the West Bank are not, (though the distance is quite small.)
    The last major war against Gaza was in 2014, this is the most significant one day death toll since then.
    The economic and physical desperation of Gaza has been reported repeatedly in recent years and it seems that the relevant players: Fatah, Israel and Egypt have not figured out how to deal with Hamas and the result is worsening conditions. Israel shoots at its own people when a mentally unstable person runs into Gaza, so the use of lethal violence is no surprise. I do not feel sympatico with avigdor lieberman’s cold heart, but since the challenge that Gaza poses is not nearly manageable I hesitate to comment beyond these limited phrases.

    • Maghlawatan
      April 2, 2018, 11:15 pm

      Gaza is 1948. It’s southern Israel’s unwanted Untermenschen. The people Israel wanted to forget. But never found a solution for . Gaza is the death of Zionism. Because ultimately people matter

    • kev
      April 3, 2018, 2:42 am

      Yonah, you claim that Gaza poses such a severe challenge that nothing can be done.

      Actually, a lot can be done, and almost everything that has been done is wrong.

      Israel chose to try to punish the entire population of Gaza as a way to try to get them to institute a regime change by overthrowing Hamas. The greatest part of this strategy is the crippling blockade on Gaza, which is entirely responsible for the “economic and physical desperation of Gaza.” Yes, Egypt also bears some responsibility for assisting Israel in blockading Gaza, but Israel is the responsible party. Israel claims that the blockade is entirely for “security reasons”. This a a bald-faced lie.

      If Israel wants to inspect all goods entering Gaza, they can do that. Certainly there are things that they don’t want to let in for legitimate security reasons (missiles, high explosives, etc.). If they want to search all travelers on their way out of Gaza, fine. If they even want to ensure that any such travelers are immediately transported out of not just Gaza but Israel, using secure transport, fine. They can decide who is allowed to enter their territory. But what danger is it to allow sealed exports from Gaza, even if you prevent exports to the West Bank or Israel? There’s no security reason there whatsoever.

      But Israel went way further than that… they put Gaza “on a diet”. They restricted the amount (and types) of food allowed to be imported. Not weapons… food. They severely (almost entirely) restricted any exports, intentionally crippling Gaza’s economy. And whenever they decided to “mow the lawn”, they intentionally targeted Gaza’s civilian infrastructure in order to further damage Gaza’s economy. All of that along with the travel restrictions that prevented any of the Gazans who used to commute to work in southern Israel, also taking a severe toll on the economy of Gaza.

      Israel has produced exactly what Israel planned all along for Gaza. As one Israeli general (IIRC) put it, “We’ll bomb them back to the stone age”.

      Israel’s biggest moral failing is that they do not respect the human rights of others and are quite happy to collectively punish millions of people, whether in Gaza or the West Bank, in order to try to obtain whatever it is they think they want, whether that is regime change, land, more settlements, valuable resources such as natural gas or petroleum, whatever. Basically, Israel is the Mafia, they have the guns and they’ll take what they want.

    • eljay
      April 3, 2018, 7:30 am

      || Yonah Fredman: Israel’s biggest moral failing is regarding the West Bank, because regarding the West Bank, there is somewhat easy answer: withdrawal or ideological distancing from the settlement enterprise. But regarding Gaza there is no easy answer. Because a large majority of its population are refugees who consider their home in Israel ’48, the challenge Gaza poses is difficult. There is a wide gap between what Gazans need for justice and what West Bankers need for something approaching a modus vivendi, so Gaza is difficult. … ||

      Wow. According to Zionist “logic”:
      – the easier the fix to one’s moral failing, the bigger it is;
      – the more difficult the fix to one’s moral failing, the smaller it is.

      So Joe’s biggest moral failing isn’t his dark habit of kidnapping women, chaining them in his basement and brutally assaulting them, it’s his penchant for borrowing his neighbours’ tools and not returning them.

  21. just
    April 2, 2018, 10:43 pm

    Good article about the massacre and more with Raji Sourani, Diana Buttu, and Miko Peled @ Democracy Now today.

    “Massacre in Gaza: Israeli Forces Open Fire on Palestinians, Killing 18, Wounding As Many As 1,700”

    https://www.democracynow.org/2018/4/2/massacre_in_gaza_israeli_forces_open

    • JosephA
      April 3, 2018, 12:40 am

      We can always count on Democracy Now to provide honest reporting.

      • Kathleen
        April 3, 2018, 10:14 pm

        Yes indeed

      • CigarGod
        April 4, 2018, 10:22 am

        Better than most, but no outlet is “always” honest.
        A finely tuned BS detector is always better than an idol.

  22. JLewisDickerson
    April 3, 2018, 12:27 am

    RE: And at the United Nations, the Trump administration blocked the Security Council from issuing a statement that called for an “independent and transparent investigation” . . . ~ Ishaan Tharoor

    MY COMMENT: Naturally the Trump administration blocked the Security Council from issuing a statement that called for an “independent and transparent investigation” into the Friday killings of 17 Palestinian protesters in Gaza. After all, they’re stark, raving “Gun Crazy”! * And, Nikki Haley is their “Pistol Packin’ Mama”!

    * and the Marquis de Trump is gunnin’ for Jeff Bezos, Amazon.com, and the Washington Post; stock market be damned!

    P.S. Stark, raving mad – https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/stark-raving-mad.html

    • JLewisDickerson
      April 3, 2018, 12:38 am

      RE: “and the Marquis de Trump is gunnin’ for Jeff Bezos, Amazon.com, and the Washington Post; stock market be damned!” ~ me (above)

      HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A NARCISSISTIC MARQUIS DENIED HIS NARCISSISTIC SUPPLY! (A NICE EXAMPLE: CALIGULA!)

      Narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injury

      [EXCERPTS] Narcissistic rage is a reaction to narcissistic injury, which is a perceived threat to a narcissist’s self-esteem or self-worth. Narcissistic injury (or narcissistic scar) is a phrase used by Sigmund Freud in the 1920s; narcissistic wound and narcissistic blow are further, almost interchangeable terms.[1] The term narcissistic rage was coined by Heinz Kohut in 1972.

      Narcissistic injury occurs when a narcissist feels that their hidden, “true self” has been revealed. This may be the case when the narcissist experiences a “fall from grace”, such as when their hidden behaviors or motivations are revealed, or when their importance is brought into question. Narcissistic injury is a cause of distress and can lead to dysregulation of behaviors as in narcissistic rage.

      Narcissistic rage occurs on a continuum, which may range from instances of aloofness and expressions of mild irritation or annoyance to serious outbursts, including violent attacks and murder.[2] Narcissistic rage reactions are not limited to personality disorders and may be also seen in catatonic, paranoid delusion and depressive episodes.[2] It has also been suggested that narcissists have two layers of rage. The first layer of rage can be thought of as a constant anger (towards someone else), with the second layer being a self-aimed wrath.[3] . . .

      • Kohut and self psychology
      Heinz Kohut explored a wide range of rage experiences in his seminal article “Thoughts on Narcissism and Narcissistic Rage” (1972).[17] He considered narcissistic rage as one major form among many, contrasting it especially with mature aggression.[18] Because the very structure of the self itself is weakened in the narcissist, their rage cannot flower into real assertiveness;[19] and they are left instead prone to oversensitivity to perceived or imagined narcissistic injuries resulting in narcissistic rage.[20]

      For Kohut, narcissistic rage is related to narcissists’ need for total control of their environment, including “the need for revenge, for righting a wrong, for undoing a hurt by whatever means”.[21] It is an attempt by the narcissist to turn from a passive sense of victimization to an active role in giving pain to others [The Marquis de Trump ~ J.L.D.], while at the same time attempting to rebuild their own (actually false) sense of self-worth. It may also involve self-protection and preservation, with rage serving to restore a sense of safety and power by destroying that which had threatened the narcissist.[21]

      Alternatively, according to Kohut, rages can be seen as a result of the shame at being faced with failure.[22] Narcissistic rage is the uncontrollable and unexpected anger that results from a narcissistic injury – a threat to a narcissist’s self-esteem or worth. Rage comes in many forms, but all pertain to the same important thing: revenge. Narcissistic rages are based on fear and will endure even after the threat is gone.[23]

      To the narcissist, the rage is directed towards the person that they feel has slighted them; to other people, the rage is incoherent and unjust. This rage impairs their cognition, therefore impairing their judgment. During the rage they are prone to shouting, fact distortion and making groundless accusations.[24] In his book The Analysis of the Self, Kohut explains that expressions caused by a sense of things not going the expected way blossom into rages, and narcissists may even search for conflict to find a way to alleviate their pain or suffering.[25]

      • Perfectionism
      Narcissists are often pseudo-perfectionists and create situations in which they are the center of attention. [citation needed] The narcissist’s attempts at being seen as perfect are necessary for their grandiose self-image. If a perceived state of perfection is not reached, it can lead to guilt, shame, anger or anxiety because the subject believes that they will lose the admiration and love from other people if they are imperfect.[26]

      Behind such perfectionism, self psychology would see earlier traumatic injuries to the grandiose self.[27] . . .

      • JLewisDickerson
        April 3, 2018, 12:54 am

        P.S. ALSO FROM THE ABOVE EXCERPTED ARTICLE ON Narcissistic rage and narcissistic injury:
        The lead character of Citizen Kane has been considered as exhibiting narcissistic rage.[30]

        30. ^ Burgo, Joseph. “Narcissistic Rage and the Failure of Empathy: ‘Citizen Kane'”. After Psychotherapy. ~ http://www.afterpsychotherapy.com/citizen-kane/

  23. duglarri
    April 3, 2018, 12:49 am

    There is a scene in the movie “Exodus” where a beach full of Jewish refugees is under the guns of a large body of British soldiers, who order them to return to their boats. The Jews stand up and refuse to budge. The British are left with a choice: shoot, or let these people illegally enter Palestine.

    As the senior officer is trying to decide what to do, one of the junior British officers says, “I guess this is where we find out whether we’re better than the Nazis or not.”

    And the officer orders his men to hold their fire. And the scene ends with celebration by the Jews on the beach.

    The modern replay ends with a different result.

    A different answer to the question.

  24. chocopie
    April 3, 2018, 2:22 am

    I’m not so sure anyone even cares. I hope Israel pays for this, but I doubt it. Apparently, Palestinian life doesn’t count for much. That hurts, as the mother of Palestinians, but I believe it’s a fact.

  25. Vera Gottlieb
    April 3, 2018, 4:10 pm

    When is the West finally going to start growing backbone and stand up to israel and all it’s lies??? When is the West going to stop looking the other way? When is the West going to speak up? The persecuted turning into the persecutors. What a sorry and shameful sight.

  26. oldgeezer
    April 3, 2018, 5:04 pm

    Poor beseiged and misunderstood Israel targets 10 journalists during protests. One was standing near an ambulance.

    Sanctions and arrest warrants for the entire GoI please.

    https://cpj.org/amp/029169.html?__twitter_impression_true

  27. wfleitz
    April 3, 2018, 6:08 pm

    “The clearest evidence that the massacre was intentional is the murder of the Palestinian farmer Omar Wahid Samur in the early morning on Friday, several hours before the protests began. Omar was murdered by a tank shell while he was picking parsley in the pre-dawn hours in a field one kilometer from the border.”

    Christopher Bollyn http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_16032

    • RoHa
      April 3, 2018, 8:02 pm

      Fanatical, anti-Semitic, terrorist parsley, no doubt.

  28. JLewisDickerson
    April 3, 2018, 11:14 pm

    RE: “Killing Palestinian protesters turns into a PR debacle for Israel”

    MY COMMENT: But it was a jolly good time for the IDF sharpshooters!

    “Israeli Watchdog Warned That Army Was Unprepared for Big Gaza Protest”
    • In an unpublished March 2017 report, Joseph Shapira said the IDF did not have enough riot-control equipment, whether for the Gaza, Syria or West Bank borders
    By Yaniv Kubovich | Haaretz.com | Apr 01, 2018 | 7:32 PM

    State Comptroller Joseph Shapira warned a year ago that the Israeli army was not prepared for a civilian uprising in the Gaza Strip, according to a report that was not made public.

    In the document handed to Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman and other security officials in March 2017, Shapira said Israeli soldiers were not ready for a mass attempt by civilians to cross into Israel from Gaza, Syria or the West Bank. According to Shapira, the army did not have enough of the necessary riot-control equipment.

    The State Comptroller’s Office decided in August 2016 to scrutinize the Israel Defense Forces’ preparedness for a large civil insurrection. The report, which included findings from a limited probe that year, focused on Gaza but noted that preparedness faults on the Gaza border were similar on the Syrian and West Bank borders.

    The report urged defense officials to “address without delay the report’s findings to improve the response to the threat if it should become real.”

    According to the IDF, 10 of the 15 people killed Friday at the border fence were terror activists, which the IDF said showed that the event was not a civil protest and soldiers had acted properly. Hamas says only five of the 15 people killed were affiliated with the group.

    According to the IDF, as early as around 4 P.M. Friday at the border, hundreds of open-fire orders had been given to army sharpshooters, who hit Palestinians more than 90 percent of the time. Hundreds of Palestinians were treated at hospitals for bullet wounds to the legs.

    The IDF concedes that incidents last week in which Gaza Palestinians crossed into Israel struck a weak point among Southern Command forces. The incidents raised tensions in the IDF, a development that may have ramped up the use of live fire that killed 15 Palestinians and wounded 758.

    SOURCE – https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-watchdog-warned-army-was-unprepared-for-big-gaza-protest-1.5964097

  29. Atlantaiconoclast
    April 4, 2018, 11:51 am

    Yet Netanyahu just openly made it clear that diversity is for us and not for him by going back on his agreement with the UN to take in half of the African refugees.

  30. hophmi
    April 4, 2018, 2:06 pm

    I see we’re still behaving as if throwing Molotov cocktails and stones are the same thing as protesting non-violently. I guess a lot of you here drink Hamas kool-aid.

    • eljay
      April 4, 2018, 2:25 pm

      || hophmi: I see we’re still behaving as if throwing Molotov cocktails and stones are the same thing as protesting non-violently. I guess a lot of you here drink Hamas kool-aid. ||

      I see you’re still behaving as if evil (military occupation, oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism) is transformed into virtue when its done by Jews. It’s clear that you’re still drunk on Zionism.

      • Mooser
        April 4, 2018, 3:10 pm

        “It’s clear that you’re still drunk on Zionism.”

        From the way “Hophmi” has reduced his output to a few gasps and sputters, I think he’s got nothing but a bad hangover by now.

        I mean, who the heck would want to wake up in the morning with this next to him?

    • Mooser
      April 4, 2018, 2:38 pm

      “I see we’re still behaving as if throwing Molotov cocktails and stones are the same thing as protesting non-violently.”

      “Hophmi”, post some heart-rendering videos of burnt grass, and maybe a dent in an Israeli vehicle.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      April 4, 2018, 4:01 pm

      I’m guessing you had no problem with the Zionists using violence against the British and the indigenous people of Palestine to establish the Jewish state.

  31. ritzl
    April 4, 2018, 2:52 pm

    “They are responsible for “calculated” killings of unarmed civilians in violation of international law, the human rights group states, warning that Israeli leaders could face prosecution abroad.

    “Human Rights Watch reaches two key conclusions: the Israeli violence against Palestinians was premeditated, illegal under international law, and ordered at the highest level; and Israel has presented no evidence whatsoever of any credible threat that would justify the violence it used on the day.”

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-leaders-ordered-calculated-killings-gaza-protesters

    Premeditated killing of unarmed protesters on their own land. This is as bad as it gets.

    I try to enter the psychopathic collective consciousness of a Jewish Israel that can see Palestinian human beings as such nothing that something like this can be conceived as anything less than mass murder, let alone implemented and then bragged afterward about how carefully it was planned (IDF on Twitter, since scrubbed, i think EI has a screen shot), and cannot. It’s just soulless behavior. It ain’t going away.

    Q: What is the silence in LibZio circles supposed to accomplish? Not getting that. Not murder? Murder not so bad…Other pressing issues? Murder OK? We don’t know what to think about murder…Need help puzzling this out/Please help us decide? What???

  32. Kathleen
    April 4, 2018, 8:51 pm

    Wednesday MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes. brings up the killing and injuring 750 Palestinians tonight, Finally the murder of Palestinian;s mentioned more than a few seconds on MSNBC.

  33. Elliot
    April 4, 2018, 9:25 pm

    If only.

    1. Kobi Meidan was forced to grovel and in return got to keep his job. His case became a lesson for anyone in Israeli public life who has the temerity to break ranks.

    2. Where is this story in the mainstream media? Even in the wonderful Guardian, the top trending Israel story (in the top 10) was another episode in “Ultra-Orthodox vs. Women” blah, blah, blah.

    3. In the Jewish community, J Street and its fellow libzios, like Teruah, blamed the protestors for being shot and throwed around “evenhandedness”, AIPAC stood with Israel and JVP, as usual, denounced. Everybody is at their usual positions. This too will blow over.

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