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False. All americans are keenly aware that Bo desperately wants a second term. You choose to see everything in terms of IP situation when in fact it is only one facet. Not to mention even if he were openly hostile, congress would step in and make sure we did right by Israel, because that's what the vast majority of Americans want. Therefore his position on Israel is not critical to his reelection.
The economy looms much larger a reason he won't be reelected. Perry Bachman ticket will deliver the bow shot to the ME that has been sorely lacking. War spending is good for economic growth. We need a biggie. Look for it, to be sure. It will not be a good time to be our enemy, be you foreign or domestic. Take heed!
Shingo,
"The US has stopped producing anything"?
REALLY? You need t0 check your stats. The US still produces more than any single nation in the world. I mean, you do realize the US still has a GDP twice the size of China, right (even with one fourth the population)? That simple math stat alone should be illustrative enough, but you can confirm via the internet.
I remember back a few years ago when all the chicken littles came out screaming how the US was done, collapse was imminent, our enemies would soon be dancing on our corpse. etc Yet here we still are. Weird eh?
Keep on predicting disaster. It has been a favorite pastime for doomsayers and pessimists for eons. Wasnt it Y2K that was supposed to destroy us a decade ago? Yea, that was....a non event.
End of the world as we know it scenarios have NEVER actually come to pass. You sure you want to make a big bet on a track record like that? LOL
Then i guess it's your bad luck you are who you are koshiro. I'm so sorry.
You really should try a new tact. I've already pointed out the "the USA is collapsing, we must dump Israel (and embrace Islam/iran/ etc) to save ourselves" is totally rejected by most Americans. You see, its just that we don't consider surrender and subjugation to our enemies much of a victory. I know, I know, we are ignorant, stupid and brainwashed
zombies. I'll be at home later tonight crying myself to sleep about that! Lol
Whitey has pulled humanity up from the muck, but even it can't do miracles. But whitey will save us in the end. Unless you are an enemy. Then, I almost pity you. Almost.
You should know citizen - it's always the white man's fault. Western civilization is everyone's favorite boogeyman. It's a tired refrain.
A minor internal conflict that took the lives of more Americans than all our other wars COMBINED. Yea. The majority of the country didn't exist! It was not populated. Atlanta was burnt to the ground (my city). The southern economy and mindset was devastated.
And yet today we don't have suicide bombers or other such internal strife. We are over it. Meanwhile the ME is still fighting the same wars from thousands of years ago. They will never resolve.
Just because China, with 4 times our population, may one day exceed our gross GDP, they have a VERY long way to go in per capita and most other measures. Huge wealth dispairities between coastal and inner areas. Onerous central oversight (one baby per family). The preference for males and easy abortion access has left them seriously bereft of female mates. Huge environmental issues. Social unrest in the outer provinces and among minority groups. Terrible corruption and a lack of rule of and respect for law in areas like copyrights. Worker abuse. Horribly low wages. Lack of infrastructure. China's problems are IMMENSE.
Before you ever call the US civil war a minor conflict you should read up on it. I bet even some of your buddies here would strongly disagree with that characterization.
That's the amazing thing. We will accomplish this DESPITE the US govt!
FYI, we didn't get here by luck or accident. In 300 years we have gone fom nothing to the most powerful and wealthiest nation in history because our system works the best.
The USA will overcome its problems. New challenges will always arise, but ultimately our allies will be rewarded and our enemies vanquished. It is our history, and our foreseeable future.
There is still time for you to jump on the bandwagon, but it does grow short. :)
Citizen - reread MTW's post above mine " it was the greatest seafring nation in the world until they let the Brits in with opium to destroy their culture from within"
So Chinese culture (or insert AIDs, global warming, african poverty, pretty much any bad thing) was destroyed by....wait for it..... the greedy white man!
Dang, I think I might have heard that a time or two before. LOL
China has tremendous internal problems that many here are readily (and eager) to gloss over. Great wealth disparity, huge natural resource issues, a still somewhat centralized sytem of (govt) control, etc. One of their biggest problems is corruption. Illegal copycatting via copyright violations is endemic to their cutlture. It may never resolve itself.
As recently events clearly attest, Europe is hardly China's economic salvation. The reason the Chinese dont buy all of Greek etc debt is because ultimately it would solve nothing. Doing so would just permit the PIIGS' unsustainable lifetyles to continue, and eventually leave China holding the bag. There is no simple panacea to Europe's debt woes. There are only painful choices, and unpleasant consequences.
There are four main currencies in the world. Not quite half of the world's foregin currency transactions are in US doollar. The US Treasury market is the largest and most liquid, by far, of any sovereign debt in the world. The Yen, pound and Euro are the other three contenders - but not really. The Yuan is not even on the charts. The chinese prefer their currency pegged (artifically) to the dollar, because it gives their exporters an advantage. The dollar may see its domimance diminish, but the Chinese have a long, long way to go before their Yuan is even a clear fifth.
Two World Wars make Europe quite cognizant of the perils of a weak military. Their poor performance (via NATO) in Libya is a startling reminder of their unpreparedness. Without the US as a backstop, they will have to make changes. As memories of the nazi regime become less fresh, Germany may be called upon to reassert its role as military power (via NATO). They are unquestionably capable.
China has four times the population of the US and less than half its GDP. Do the math. On a per capita basis China ranks in the bottom half of the world, around 94th, at about $4500 per person. This compares to the US with the world's largest single economy and at around number 10 on per capita basis, at ~$47k per, roughly ten times China.
Paper currencies must be fungible. No one outside China has any real faith in their government's integrity and its pseudo communist system.
I was in business school in the early 90's when Japan and its mighty Keiretsu's were going to take over the world. The US was bloated, inefficient and crumbling. Guess what? The academics got it all wrong. Shocker. But not really.
No other country in the world is as flexible or as innovative as the US. Google, facebook, the two newest and leading tech companies, one could argue, both US. This isnt luck or accident. Its a pattern that has been repeated over and over again. American creativity and innovation is the ultimate "killer app".
Look how we recovered after the Civil War. There are no real issues remaining between north and south, other than occassional political nastiness. Ultimately we have the world's largest and most cohesive sytem. It works too well and would cost too much for anyone, besides a few nuts in the woods, to really ever consider walking away from.
Seafoid, there have been many crisis beyond what you list. And guess what? The next day 99.9% of americans got up and went about the activities, as usual. You can pine for our demise, and make all kinds of arguments why it must be so. But you would be wrong, and history proves it.
MRW, you do so flatter with me your prose. And you know where that will get you....LOL
When will China pass the US in per capita GDP? Ever? Rare earth minerals are not reallly. They are just difficult to mine, and challenging enivironmentally. US companies, like Molycorp, are already tackling the issue with great intensity.
China has to keep stealing our know-how in order to keep up. That is not sustainable. They face tremendous internal problems, about which you are apparently clueless. The ole "china is rising, america is falling, better dump israel to save your asses" is just pure gobbleygook. No one buys it outside the folks already in your choir. Sing away!
Seafoid can predict the future of the world financial system? I think not.
Of couse no one can. Including myself. But I know this. China and the US have a symbiotic relationship. We trade them treasury paper for cheaply made goods. China desperately needs our economic engine to support their still young economy. They do not have the internal demand, and must export in large numbers.
Companies come and go. Lehman's demise was a blip. The vast majority of companies that made up the original Dow 30 are long gone. In the big scheme/long term, one of america's greatest strengths is the cocept of creative destruction. Large companies that seem invincible will continue to vanish, leaving nothing behind but worthless swag.
America has suffered a civil war and a great depression, and only come out stronger. A longish bout of sluggish economic growth is hardly a herald the end is near.
America has no real competitors. china and India have huge internal problems. Europe is highly dysfunctional. This century will see America dominate even more than the last.
Economic booms and busts are part of the natural order. Just like weather patterns. We were built from nothing, forged in violence and have thrived off constant innovation. Nothing has changed. America will only get better.
Wishful thinking by our adversaries is nothing new, or anything to worry about. It drives us harder, in fact. Those counting on our collapse (to grant their wishes) should study their history books more while leaving their emotions aside. Being our ally has always been more beneficial than being our enemy, at least for the last 100 or so years. Funny how some here think
the opposite.
Me, all my eggs are in the American basket. I'll give anyone 100 to 1 odds who wants the opposite side of that trade.
Really? You're going to argue that Singapore and Finland are more innovative than the US? OK.....Regardless, china is nowhere to be seen.
The congress, military, average joes like me....hmmmm....Why does Israel have so many friends? It does make one wonder. oh thats right, its because we are all bought and sold for zombies, mesmerized by our own ignorance and israeli sheckles. Oh brother.
As far as learning US history: YOU first! ;)
MRW: Israel ranks 27th in per capita GDP out of 180 countries according to the IMF. The 90's were over a decade ago. Where are the newest of their new technologies coming from? Somebody's arse?
Arent the military contracts for things like drones and other high tech weaponery? Gee, if we could buy just as good from US companies, WHY DONT WE? Please provide evidence, not more hyperbole.
And america wouldnt have happened without slavery, right? So really, it all comes back to the africans. Time we finally owned up and started those reparation payments! :)
The Germans and Soviets were vicious with one another. A perfect example where the only "atrocities" or crimes were the ones committed by the....LOSERS. That is why when it comes to war, or hand to hand combat, politeness and manners generally do not pay off. One must win at all costs or be prepared to suffer terrific consequences. (note: the Russians were also notoriously brutal to their OWN troops)
Hamas/gaza is hardly some rag tag band of misfits living in the Forrest. They are well supplied by their supporters with some of the most up to date weaponry, including rockets and anti aircraft missiles. Almost e ry male past puberty owns how own AK, at least it seems so. ?there is a command and control structure, communications external and internal, hell, there is probably a power point presentation with org charts for their financial backers to view. Just because they prefer no uniforms as that makes it easier to hide among the general population does not mean they don't have a military! Please, you that is an absolute canard, and even I'm not that stupid.
Most Americans instinctively get how things work in that part of the world. They understand the iraqis basically copied the Palestinian model. When the vaunted IRG and reg IA realized they couldn't go head to head with American military might, they abandoned the formal trappings and went gorilla. Much easier to blend in with the regulars, and it's never clear what or how many are your foes. This kind of asymmetric conflict is what we are faced with in that part of the world, and Israel has been at it for longer than us. Maybe that explains at least some of our sympathy for the Israeli' struggle. I know it deepens mine.
The fact is, the Palestinians are seen as duplicitous and deceitful by most Americans. We know many Ps hate us, and were thrilled by the success of 9-11. But we are most defifinitely not tearfully ruminating, "oh why do they hate us". Anymore then you do about your personal enemies. It's a sad fact in this world that no one gets along with everybody - you and I included. Enemies are part of life. We are not about to bow down in obeisance in the pathetic hope we if we prostrate ourselves before each and every enemy, we can make new BFFs! (hows that for a current American cultural reference)
You may buy into the old saying that the meek will inherit the earth. I don't. Or, at least I believe a lot more meek folk will perish in misery than non-meek along the way before and if that ever comes to pass.
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Ive read Stalingrad and Berlin by Anthony Beevor. That is more than most have read on the subject. So I think Im good. Of course, the soviets were not exactly angels either. Regardless, I didnt mean to be dismissive of their losses.
Please spare me the intellectual preening/acadmic boasting. It really is quite unappealing. Surely you have found that out in your own life? Are you painfully unself-aware in social situations? I suspect so.
You could call the holocaust a war. Just like some refer to the war on drugs. But it is not and that wasnt a war in the truest sense. The jews had no army, no real military of any kind, except maybe a few partisans. One could also call beating up an infant a fight. But that would be absurd.
Civilization is ignored on a daily basis somewhere in the world. Sometimes its right here in America -- the BTK killer? Man's inhumanity to man is a well worn theme. That wont ever go away. Its why its good to "play for a winner". Cause we all know who makes the rules. It sure aint the losers.
BTW Woody, You can show your own "american" creds by telling me who Al and Vince are. I referenced them above. Every red blooded american boy knows those guys! (at least from my generation)
It seems you pay much more heed to what is "correct" in popular american culture than I do. Perhaps that is because you are from Kiryat Arba. Myself, having been born in Virginia while dad was in the army, raised in GA and then since lived in 5 other states, Im quite comfortable in my "american-ness". I dont worry a whit that Ill ever be accused of being otherwise. But, if it pleases you, feel free to view me with great suspicion and concoct all the wild theories you like. It makes me life seem much more exciting than it really is.
BTW, the correct spelling is "explanation".
The holocaust wasnt about winning a war. Regardless, must it always come back to that? Tiresome. Anyway, as is well known, few enemy soldiers were subjected to the gas chamber, although the russkies had a rough go of it in the german prison camps, no doubt.
Please do respond Woody. Meanwhile, I breathlessly await more lessons from you on how "real americans" talk and what the "popular culture" is all about. Maybe, its that I simply must get out of the basement more often! LOL
Schooled again on how to be a "real american" by the 'uber' american "woody". Gosh, just hearing you espouse on the proper use of american slang gives me one ("woody") LOL
Or is it that we do things a bit differently down south? Last night I was talking with my ole buddy the high school football coach down in south ga. He was telling me about going bear hunting (not this time of year) with the locals in the swamp. You got any bear hunting stories for me Woody? Is that something americans in your "neck of the woods" ("woody") do? Did I use all the proper words or do I still sound like a mossad plant? (damn those guys are clever!)
There is only law in war. As Vince, or was it Al, might say "Just win, baby, just win".
PS: I Played high school and college baseball. Im up to speed on the lingo, thanks.
Oh no, not the Hitler tag! I always walk away in defeat whenever that "rarely used" analogy is employed.....LOL
Hitler was an also an animal/dog lover. Therefore anybody espousing the same tendency is thereby a Hitler-ite too, I suppose, citizen?
By your "logic", anyone advocating Darwin must also embrace Hitler. Tell that to agnostics, atheists and naturalists. It just dont fly, hoss.
Bring it Citizen. Meanwhile, I quake in fear of your devastating comebackers. BTW, uncovered in new zionist conspiracies lately? LOL
Thanks for that personal attack Marc. Their frequency toward those of opposing opinions here always gives me comfort in the supremacy of my views.
I was referencing our efforts in Iraq and Afganistan. Its why my sources are from today's conflicts. You should update your rebuttals. Vietnam is long passed out of view (although note that I did enjoy my trip to Saigon/Ho Chi Minh city and the Cu-Chi tunnels about 12 years ago. )
Im named after my ancestor, Seafoid. Id tell you who it was but that might put me at personal risk. He was from the South, that I can confirm. :)
Cred vs creds, really? I dont often use such verbage. Thanks for being a better "american" than I (or me?:) )
My high school alma mater is The Lovett School. My University also had an episcopal connection. Just FYI (not that it matters to you)
Disparaged a southerner lately? You know, just because he/she has an accent, or perhaps has slave owning ancestors and refuses to apolgize? (the latter is me, the former not so much)
Also, my view on I/P has nothing to do with religion. Its actually rare that I darken the doorway of a church. For me Israel works because, overall, its an advanced civilization. They create new technologies, of all different kinds, that help many around the world. Meanwhile the Palestinians contribute nothing except strife and trouble. Since ultimately I root for the human race, and those who can advance it, my position just makes sense. I recognize you will reject this argument, and argue about morality and such. But Darwin had it right, which I would presume you, as a Libertarian, would agree.
So it's confirmed. You know nothing about the american south except what you hear from fellow liberal elites and Hollywood stereotypes. Good to know.
Hey Woody,
My ancestors helped found this country. Including a signer of the Declaration of Independence. Does that give me any creds?
All Southerners are redneck, right seafoid? Or at least its cool to assume so, I guess. Let's see, I'll bet you're part of the "northeast liberal elite" - perhaps academia?
Chu, I have confidence that like any army, they used enough force to overwhelm their opponent. What we do in the US, try to win wars without going full on, is a recipe for mediocrity. I have had conversations with current US military/special ops who decry our overly lawyered approach. A golfing buddy of mine is a senior officer in the JAG Corp. He was recently transferred to NC from ATL due to base closing. He was well familiar with this "watering down" of our capabilities due to excessive battlefield constraints.
Rick Perry has a decent shot at being the next POUSA.
His position on I/P is in line with the majority of Americans. "Rednecks" and others.
Anybody who thinks I'm a paid Israeli/Zionist provocateur, provide an email address and I'll prove I'm not.
Nearly $6000 whole dollars later and zionists are.....terrified?....
This site continues to provide wonderful amusement. I hope it survives.
Great IMAGINATION!
LOL. (you said it)
I forgot why I chose Bart. Maybe cause it rhymes with fart lol
I'm not an average American. I am above average, of course!
So basically woody/ citizen, you believe whatever you want to believe, and to hell with what people say. Must be nice.
I graduated from Lovett High School. I used to party in Buckhead . I drive a 2010 Audi. My father lives in Charleston, SC, where I have many relatives.
My guess is there is nothing that would convince you. The truth is so inconvenient at times, isn't it? Tks al gore....
Create a yahoo email. I'll take a picture of that days Atlanta paper (Ajc) and email it to you. (even though I hate the rag)
Ive never been to Israel, Citizen - or Homer's house (?) either, sorry.
I did once visit the Bard's place at Stratford Upon Avon. It was fantastic! That was nearly 30 years ago, however.
I grew up in Atlanta, ga. Episcopal but not religious. Played small college baseball at a southern liberal arts school. Currently reside in the Brookhaven section of Atlanta. Will be running the Peachtree Road Race on Monday July 4th.
Is that enough info to convince you I'm here of my own volition? Probably not. You and your ilk don't like when something doesn't agree with your preconceived notions. Ah well, I tried.
The truth is, you folks are so used to hanging out with the choir, you have no idea where most of us are on these issues. It's not where you think, FYI.
No has me tied up. Its just i enjoy interacting with the crazies. This place is overrun with 'em. So it works for moi!
PS: I come across the " Zionism" word in four posts here than I've ever heard it spoken in my forty plus years of life. Absolutely Hilarious!
So, when it gets down to it "american", it boils down to Israeli MAGIC!? Wow, that is so very insightful of you. Do you have any other wisdom for me? :)
Explain this conundrum, please. On the one hand, there are numerous postings about how various govt and non-govt entities are bought and purchased by Israel via outright bribery (see above) and other “financial incentives”. On the other, there are nearly as many postings about how US (mostly military) aid of roughly $3B to Israel is the only thing standing between it and imminent collapse.
Seems to me you can’t have it both ways. Either they have substantial wealth by which to influence many others, or they are paupers. One or the other, folks.
(received no responses to this when posted mid stream above - may have been overlooked)
Explain this conundrum, please. On the one hand, there are numerous postings about how various govt and non-govt entities are bought and purchased by Israel via outright bribery (see above) and other "financial incentives". On the other, there are nearly as many postings about how US (mostly military) aid of roughly $3B to Israel is the only thing standing between it and imminent collapse.
Seems to me you can't have it both ways. Either they have substantial wealth by which to influence many others, or they are paupers. One or the other, folks.
Re: citizen
Hmmm. Lets see. Caterpillar does not have a monopoly. There are american and non-american competitors for all its products. Therefore, if any of its offerings are premium 'mispriced in order to compensate for mispricing discounts elsewhere, then surely customers will buy from its competitors who offer better prices. Its what happens in good ole capitalistic markets.
Either way, Caterpillar, in a competitive, global and (mostly) free market, surely sells its products around the world at whatever prices they think makes sense releative to their primary constituencies, ie, customers, shareholders, employees, suppliers, etc.
Really, Phil. Really?
Reminds of GWB looking into Putins eyes and reading his soul. Ahhhhmmm..no.
If you could really determine the true nature of a person thru their eyes, there would be no spies, no guilty men walking free, no lying lovers, now would there?
People see what they want to in other eyes. It's called projection.
Then again, maybe your cats really do love you...
in other words, if I present an acceptable pov, I am free to post. Otherwise, not so much. It's a great lesson, how the anti-fascists aren't really - it's just they favor their own brand of fascism.
Fascinating, and educational for sure.
My posts are usually deleted. FYI
Only if I say innocuous things do my comments pass. Its not worth my time for a "maybe it will get through".
Not hardly. A much different set of standards apply.
I'd love to respond Sumud but the mods won't allow it, unless I tow the party line. Not interested.
Hubris? Well, I know it when I see it. Your "question", for example.....
After reading many, many comments on the Mondoweiss site, I have discovered an absolutely endless amount of unintended humor. Yet, ironically, it appears Im one of the few in on the joke. Let me explain.
The hubris is so over the top its hilarious. You've got the same 20 or so people, regurgiating their same points over and over again, in an array of orgy-like petulant diatribes mixed in with an utter lack of self-awarness. The disfunctionality is so thick you can taste it. All the while the word "racist" is, of course used several hundred times daily, along with that ever-present boogeyman, zionism. The horror, the horror...(said in wispy voice...)
Then, you have the self-righteous, holier than thou castigating of anyone that dares to profer a different viewpoint. The irony that it is most likely a bunch of anarchists, agnostics and atheists aggressively prognosticating their views like religious zealots. It just doesnt get much funnier, or ironic, now does it folks? (note: that was a rhetorical question, easy).
Truly, I have never come across a group of people so enamored with their own wisdom. The folks here will brook no dissent, by golly, even as they constantly harangue just about everyone else for not brooking their own dissent. Again, irony served up deep and long. All "non-regulars"/ interlopers on "the M" are instantly tarred with the "zionist" or "Bush supporter" label, and/or accused of some other equally "heinous crime", ie, daring to have a -- wait for it, conformist perspective --(which automatically makes one a stupid/ignorant/zombie-likc/brainwashed/capitalist tool/jingoistic beer swiller/non-ivy leaguer/child killer/redneck bible thumper/ blah blah blah. Did I leave anything out, you bunch of charmers?
All the while, all the regular posters are constantly positing what the "entire world must do" in order for it to not suffer a fate worse than the bible thumpers warn about in the 'end of times'. Once again, very ironically, making them sound kind of like a bunch of born again fundamentalist baptist nutbags, just forseeing a different catalyst as the reason for our demise destruction.
The irony and awkwardness of the big "M" are "Office"-like in their utter lack of self-knowledge/awareness. But it does make for damn good entertainment. Michael Scott would be proud (a populist refernece) as such will no doubt stump your elitist -trained brain.
LOL
Now, let me get out of here while you guys keep the laughs coming!
Good lord. You keep posting about how its 'only' partying students from second rate colleges celebrating. Its as if you believe without an Ivy League degree one is not worthy of having an opinion. God forbid a plumber, car mechanic or army sergeant would dare to express their views. We are not worthy oh great one!
What a bunch of elitist academia garbage. Why not keep your pedantic musings to your self.
Theo, attempting to intimidate Woody anonymously over the internet is extremely lame. Im laughing AT YOU as I type this.
Oh gee, the USG goes to all the trouble of lying and faking this amazing raid but somehow forgets to hire a hollywood special effects person to create a corpse to photograph. Gosh, thank goodness you 'real smart people' are around so us dummies dont get fooled. Great job Theo!
(Note to self: I wonder if Theo is smart enough to recognize saracasm. Doubtful.)
No doubt Obama is tossing and turning as to how he can somehow "impress you"
I don't even like bho, but I got his back here.
Citizen Dude,
Now now. This myopic reaction to label every opponent as a Zionist aipac zombie is just so pathetic and lazy. Surely the mighty Citizen, arbiter of all that is truthful and right in the world, can be more thoughtful than mere mindless regurgitation of SOS. I come here to debate you ninnies, not be bored out of my mind.
But per usual, you will not address my points but instead rather go the personal attack route. LAME.
I've done my analysis and determined, with my limited intellectual prowess, I'd rather support Israel. So sorry. I'm not even Jewish! Just a non practicing episcopalian from down south. Gosh, does that make me a dumb redneck Zionist? Haha. And yes, I do own more than one gun. And I have killed animals for food. Even after I acquired my Master's degree! Although from a lesser, non Ivy league institution. Lol
Sorry Charlie, you are a lonely citizen. I know because I talk with real ones every day just like myself. We are legion, and in the vast majority. Keep it up though, the entertainment value you provide is substantial.
Riiigghtt. And you are "telling" me this because you have such great concern for "our" country, and only wish us the best, right? If we were "smart" like you suggest, we would just take the talking points of some outside group, say Hamas, and adopt them as our foreign policy. Then, the world would love us, except the Israelis of course, and our glorious country would last forever. Is that about it Hattham?
You cant really think we are that stupid. I mean, our enemies (aka, you) telling us how everything will be allright if we just do what our adversaries tell us to do...surrender and voluntary subjugation, why didnt we think of that brilliant strategy!
And what proof what you satisfy you Theo? I mean, besides him taking credit for it, openly, on video tape, and it other communique? What exactly, and specifically, would satisfy you? Let me be clear: What SPECIFIC evidence do you need? Would a signed inter-office Memo be sufficient? LOL
I ask, because nothing would be enough for you. You could and would dismiss it all as fabricated, etc. Even if Osama personally visited you, presented proof of his identity and took credit, still you'd write it off to a CIA contrivance.
So really, what is the point with folks like you. You dont engage in real dialogue. Its all empty demands and claims that cant ever reasonably be addressed. Its actually quite boring.
Oh dear Theo, how sad. You have become brainwashed by the liberal media. It makes me pity you.
Go to your thought police with this: Define winning. Do we suffer more or less casualties than our enemies? Do we have better or worse military capabilities? Have our adversaries ever taken one single step onto american soil while under declaration of war? Hmmmm, gives one pause, yes...?
We have won every conflict militarily. What we dont have is a sufficiently blood thirsty citizenry who demands victory no matter what the methods. But that may change eventually. Then, I almost fear for our enemies. It will be a terrible slaughter for them.
Oh no. Ive been called "ignorant" by yet one more enthusiastic supporter (Haytham) of the palestinian cause. How completely non-shocking! Still, it makes me pause and think, gosh maybe I should abandon my values and beliefs for those of the random person who is attempting to insult me online. But, then again.....:)
I dont think other "empires" have had near the capabilites of our Navy Seals. Do you?
Regardless, the US will not last forever. Nothing does. But it wont be the need to deliver justice to our enemies that does us in. No, more than likely it will be an internal thing. No need to worry your pretty little head about that, OK?
The history is that the US has endured many setbacks, including a civil war that killed more of our citizens than ALL our other conflicts combined. That is correct. Yet still! we endure, move forward, advance, innovate, grow and dominate. That is the history, hoss. You may need to re-read or re-study if you were victimized by one of those loathesome politically correct versions....
Oh dear lord. Not the USS Liberty again. You folks love to parade that one out at every possible "chance". Blah blah blah
Individuals who engage in stupid, risky or even just plain unlucky behavior dont necessarily benefit from american justice. Its just a tad more complicated than that. I mean, duhhhh
Almost everyone here is missing the real reason behind Americans' joy at the death of OBL. It represents the tenacious nature of american justice.
What it says to the world is, sure, go ahead, hate us. Despise us, burn our flag, hang our leaders in effigy. Think and say whatever you like. But act against us? Generate activites that result in the death of (innocent) americans? You will be found. You will be relentlessly hunted down like a mangy dog. Even if, like here, it takes 10 years (not 11 as some geniuses here have said) or more and millions or even billions of dollars. The lesson is: the arm of american justice is very long, and does not forget or forgive.
So yea, its a big deal. Sometimes we lose. People can beat us -- once, or even twice or thrice. But in the end, we win. Every time. Check your history. And if you are an enemy: fear for your future.
Take that however you like it. Or dont like it.
Wow lareineblanche, wow.
So you think when folks like these Five or the CODEPINKers act like "utter nutters" in public it causes the rest to wonder "Why would they do this?" and "examine the situation further"? Come on, you dont really believe that, surely.
Consider 9/11. What did MOST americans do in response? "Examine further"? Or gear up for war/revenge?
CODEPINK is a far outside the norm fringe group. It will never be anything else. In fact most Americans are waiting on the TEA PARTY to do the work for them, and the TP is well on its way.
Ill be on the lookout for this fast growing herd.
When I spot them Ill be sure to report back . How powerful of a microscope do you think Ill need?
FIVE??? FIVE whole disrupters????
If that doesnt herald the implosion of the jewish state I dont know what does...
Mondoweiss is a bizarre world. You folks do realize that, right?
Oh dear, it appears you have censured me. Dont fret, I shant upset your little enclosed world anymore. I know, I know, its because Im an ignorant racist islamophobe, blah blah blah. Gosh, such searing analysis has really helped put me on a different path...(pardon my giant gaffaw)
This and anything else I would post shall never see the light of day. Duh! Like all good squelchers of truth and deniers of honesty, you prohibit "different speech". Just like some of your favored governments, such as Iran and Venezuela. How adorable.
You guys keep playing in your tiny little sandbox all by yourselves. Does it feel good to pretend that your blog has relevance outside its 100-odd subscribers? Gawd, how pathetic.
Yes it does, Donald. It says it all, your attempts at obfuscation and words twisting notwithstanding.
As I said, every organization has core principles for which it stands. If the MB cant consistently stand against AQ, its not an ally to the western world. Period.
FYI, your definition a "war crime" is quite obviously different from the vast majority of westerners. But then you already knew that because those trials have never, and will never, take place.
occupyresist,
Healthy skepticism of what? That the MB may be working both sides by appearing anti-AQ to its english speakers and not so much to arabic ones? Wow. If that is even a possibility then that says it all.
Its bespeaks their philosophical foundation. Do you think its POSSIBLE, for example, that The Wall Street Journal advocates a pro-capitalism/US view inside the US and an anti-captialism/US view somewhere else in the world? The answer is a resounding NO.
The fact there even COULD/MIGHT BE another vantage expressed on something so fundamental as AQ, on the different- language sites of MB, clearly shows the total lack of creditility of their organization from a western perspective.
The internet is full of lies??? Really, are you serious??? I had no idea.....
I am wondering, is the sky blue and grass green, or the reverse? Perhaps you can educate me on this perplexing issue.
Lets see, exactly what smear tactic was used? Was it my pointing out that even the OP, who advocates for the MB, doesnt trust its english language version to accurately reflect what it has on its arabic language site? How is that a smear? Please do enlighten poor ole uniformed me.
I get the feeling you level that "islamophobe" charge on a regular basis. Doesnt take any intellectual prowess to trot out that tired old rhetoric.
Maybe you should rethink your knee jerks.
The fact that the author even has to ask for this strikes me as quite revealing. Clearly he doesnt trust that the MB site is what it says it is. He states that MB supports nonviolence, but if he REALLY believed that he wouldnt be seeking or need verification.
Of course most americans inherently already know this about our enemies. That they will position themselves as one way to the western world while behind our backs they are actively seeking and supporting our destruction. Pretty sneaky but we get it.
Thanks for illustrating how even their western defenders are aware of how rampant is the duplicity.
Israel has had "the bomb" for how many years? And they have used it how many times during those years?
So lets see. Most of you dont trust Israel with a bomb they never used. By that logic I suppose you would trust them if they HAD used it?
Or maybe folks like you guys just dont trust Israel. Period. No matter what they do or dont do. Which is probably why Isarel got the bomb in the first place.
OK, well, I got it now, thanks so much for clearing that up.
Really? ~1000 San Francisco-ans, land of uber leftists and liberals, home of Nancy Pelosi, the most hated woman in all of congress = California? REALLY? California, where union greed has brought the state to inevitable insolvency? And the rest of us WANT to copy California?
If you want to think that, Im sure you will. But its utter bunk.