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Mondonut@
UN charter. And little friendly hint. Stop talking about thing you have no idea. Before someone makes you look total *peep*.
@Mayhem. Wanna join?
link to aicongress.org
link to aifdemocracy.org
Why is everything so one-sided here? Dunno. We can use google?
@mondonut :
"Just Because You're Paranoid, Doesn't Mean They Aren't Out To Get You"
@Mayhem. Did someone claim that it contained word "racism"? Ah, never mind, you didn't get the message anyway.
@Les
Maybe they are past /tired of this anti-semite BS finally.
@giladg
What a striking revelation gilad. Real Israel can be found in hospital. Forget those tourist traps, avoid historical sites and go to hospital to see the true Israel. I wonder if those hospitals can take a amount of visitors who come to see The Real Israel.
Next slide please...
@Mayhem
Good job Mayhem! And when has Malaysia claimed to be western democratic society ?
@dimadok
link to en.wikipedia.org
Just a few words about Estelle. Built 1922 in Emden Germany. Main engine B&W Alpha two stroke diesel, assisting engines 25kW + 7kW + 25kW main shaft generator. Owner of ship in Sweden, sailing under Finnish flag. Previous names for ship, Vesta and Monica.
I don't understand this fuzz around Greta Berlin at all. Call someone antisemite and everyone goes ballistic + what some published video does.
@jon s :
There is no difference. Rejected. By both. That "in principle" is nice and cute & lovely indeed, while both sides rejected plan.
link to unispal.un.org
@ColinWright
Yup, and both, palestinians and jews rejected that partition plan..
Israeli man who impersonated Palestinian woman is linked to Free Gaza debacle and photo hoax
link to electronicintifada.net
@hoph :
Now show us where ADL/AIPAC says so. Also, Israel declaration of independence should be renounced null and void, because in time there was so many leftists signing that. We can play this game around hoph.
@mondonut :
This really crystallize in overall this whole jargon what we are doing in here. The moment when Israel become member state of UN, it agreed UN charter.
Article 93
"All Members of the United Nations are ipso facto parties to the Statute of the International Court of Justice."
link to un.org
ICJ :
"The Court can only deal with a dispute when the States concerned have recognized its jurisdiction. No State can therefore be a party to proceedings before the Court unless it has in some manner or other consented thereto."
link to icj-cij.org
"States Entitled to Appear before the Court"
Article 35, paragraph 1, of the Statute provides that the Court shall be open to the States parties to the Statute, and Article 93, paragraph 1, of the Charter of the United Nations provides that all Members of the United Nations are ipso facto parties to the Statute.
The following 193 States are currently Members of the United Nations (the dates on which some have made declarations recognizing as compulsory the jurisdiction of the Court are also listed):
Israel 11 May 1949
link to icj-cij.org
@mondonut :
“His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom request the Secretary-General of the United Nations to place the question of Palestine on the Agenda of the General Assembly at its next regular Annual Session. They will submit to the Assembly an account of their administration of the League of Nations Mandate and will ask the Assembly to make recommendations, under Article 10 of the Charter, concerning the future government of Palestine.
In making this request, His Majesty's Government draw the attention of the Secretary-General to the desirability of an early settlement in Palestine and to the risk that the General Assembly might not be able to decide upon its recommendations at its next regular Annual Session unless some preliminary study of the question had previously been made under the auspices of the United Nations. They therefore request the Secretary-General to summon, as soon as possible, a special Session of the General Assembly for the purpose of constituting and instructing a Special Committee to prepare for the consideration, at the regular Session of the Assembly, of the question referred to in the preceding paragraph.”
I have the honour to be, Sir,
Your obedient Servant,
(Signed) Alexander Cadogan
Devil is the details...
link to unispal.un.org
Did he mention the holocaust in his speech ? Every Israeli leader have to mention holocaust in UN at least at once.
Reporter: What do you think of western civilization?
Mahatma Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.
@quercus
One of so called "allies" or "friendly states" of US in area, ( mostly goes to any country under previous definitions ). Dogs don't bark friendlies. Frankly, goes with any state in the world. Where are friendly states with economical relations, trade, area union etc.
@giladg
And unfortunately, as it is, same mistakes are done over and over again.
Human race ? I guess we all have done that already.
We try not to leap that hole here. "The wheel turns and history seems to repeat itself".
It's 2012. Not 1933 as you think it is. So, i think that its just little late to join that boy scout.
Same goes with right wing stuff.
And pretty good number of early zionists were commies. But its all different now ?
But, thanks to God, not with zionists. Oh no.
Thats true gilad, they wish to kick them out, not to rule em'. You have learned something after all.
Yup, classic case of PTSD. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I would argue that you have created the whole new disorder : Pre-traumatic stress disorder.
giladg :
So you have nothing to show.
giladg :
PLO.
link to mfa.gov.il
Can't find any meaningful international law backing this up.
"Secretary of State Clinton is set to announce that the Iranian group Mujahideen al-Khalq (MEK) will no longer be on the State Department's Foreign Terrorist Organization list."
Surprise anyone ?
Commies went to south in same time when Soviet Union did so. Maybe some other explanation Escape ? Try common human rights. Yes, no ?
@Mayhem
link to counterpunch.org
link to ee.bgu.ac.il
hoph :
How about innocence of muslim. Freedom of speech ? One thing you can talk about but not the other. And no, i'm not the holocaust denier. If we claim freedom of speech, lets go all the way then.
Mayhem :
1. Life in Gaza is pretty good : We rock
2. Kids need time out from hating Israelis : They suck
3. Palestinian kids are all innocent angels : You suck
4. Mondoweiss is soft selling a propaganda message : Everything sucks
mthunlan:
Because that has studied a time ago, and there is no longer nothing to criticize for ?
@Rusty Pipes
Security Council should and must be changed. Remove permanent members and all members change in turns. This is a classic example this Syria case. Other is Palestine case. In Syria case, Russia and China are key players. In Palestine case US of A is a key player. Its long time since WW2, when UN was created and winners of war was given king of a hill status. Its totally pointless when Russia and US governments shoot accusations to both directions, while they are equally guilty this monster of good fella system.
Uniting for peace resolution is too rarely used, and its only partial option in this game. More radical action is needed.
link to www1.yadvashem.org
link to germanjewishsoldiers.com
@hophmi
And what have you learn from it ?
And after Bible was written, they created international laws. Which one we are gonna follow. I choose international law.
@ahadhaadam
Yup, it is like in this video
link to youtube.com
Talking Zionism
link to counterpunch.org
Aide Charlie Pearce .
link to guardian.co.uk
@chuckcarlos
No state has any "right to exist".
I see something in Jewishness issues in crisis if jewish identity topic. 1031 replys so far so that ain't so clear i think.
proudsomething:
What, you must pay from stolen land. wow...
Annie, to me it looks like a that US is a other state for Israel. Or, as former PLO representative Afif Safieh said, US i a only super power of the world today. It faces other states like a super power, but when Israel is question, it looks like a Liechtenstein or Luxenbourg.
Damn, Obama hasn't get his brains updated to ziobot 2.3 version. Must go to Israel if want's new update. Necessary visits to Knesset, just to show a face and that you are obedient server. Without it, no chance to next round, sorry. Next slave to foreign country plz to arena.
So, they are gonna show a map from 2000 years ago ?
@biorabbi
Is this some club you can join in ? Some vows you have to make that you truly are anti-semite ? So who are those who do the judgement, give testimony and be the prosecutor in this case. They are all the same and one ? Thats curious, in just of in a legal terms how someone can be all of those.
@anan
This is old classic story. If and when you invade a foreign country, chances to succeed is very limited without population consent. They will start to resist occupation in time or immediately.
@ColinWright
Don't you worry a bit Colin, if situation changes even a little, ziobot army is making all new arguments just to suite their agenda.
"Please don’t let the facts get in the way of the Zionist narrative, and make a new ones if necessary"
Merk :
Yup, "but they are OUR dark skinned", which changes whole thing.
@anan
They were palestinian jews.
Home is palestine. Why they don't wanna give equal rights, well take a case of Jordan. Majority of palestinian refugees are in Jordan, surprise surprise, zionist draw conclusion that they are in reality Jordanians.
They wan't to avoid palestinian uprising, so large numbers that they are in Jordan ?
Ask this from zionists. And before you ask, take a step back, to avoid coming vomit.
U R kidding, right ? ;)
Silly question i know, but should security of Israel be mostly responsibility state of Israel ? Why they have army in Israel anyway if that can't secure state of Israel.
About this old and very tired schoolbook thing, once and again :
link to europa.eu
link to pcdc.edu.ps
link to home.gwu.edu
link to pcdc.edu.ps
link to miftah.org
UN is a good organization. Security council, general assembly etc are just front window and are easily destroyed. Mean while behind of those happens and a lot. What difference would that do if Israel would be in UNHRC ? Israel gives a hoot to whole UN anyway / resolutions.
Does anyone else see anything weird is these statistics. Compare :
From FBI :
link to fbi.gov
Department of Justice :
link to justice.gov
Smells something in here....
anan :
Ahha, so lets now just for a argument sake look this FBI data, and from where they collect this data.
Resources
- Shepard/Byrd Act Brochure
- Justice Department Civil Rights Division
- Justice Department Community Relations Service
- Southern Poverty Law Center
- Anti-Defamation League
- Federal Civil Rights Statutes
link to fbi.gov
@ yonah
It was in Haaretz :
link to haaretz.com
link to prc.org.uk
Fredblogs:
Same ol' hasbara. But you won't dare to read this site :
link to acri.org.il
Fredblogs:
Former. And Jordan (trans) was separated from mandate before it came legally in force. So thats about it. Ancient history.
Of course not.
40 years and waiting those equal rights for palestinians in Israel. And when you decided that Israel doesn't follow international law. Just rhetoric question.
hoph:
Year 2012 Finland. And ?
I try to keep my feet in the ground. If im intellectual or not, i'll let that to other decide. IMHO not so much.
Today or years ago ?
Then back to school boy. And i didn't say nothing any justification.
Which is nothing at all.
And thats why palestinians get same treatment. So if thats it, could you kindly stop "learning".
So you are living in history after all. That wake up call back for today might be hard landing. And you were talking european hypocrisy. Oh dear....
Fredblocks:
I could swear that is written in some international law. No. I couldn't find it. Help buddy here freddo. What was it.
Can't help you out. Take a time machine back to year 1947. Plans of palestinian dispossession are in the full swing. Try to fix the wrong decision made by Israel. Good luck.
hophmi:
Quickly checked calendar, yup, it's still year 2012 here. What year you are livin at ?
And results of being "just intellectually lazy and a little ignorant" used to be......? Like persecution of others, lunatic nationalism, religious intolerance......loooong list of things which have followed. And will follow tomorrow.
Thats a historical fact. Partly. Not all european christians have done that. There has been other factors in that game.
Saying "learn from the history" doesn't ring any bell ?. Living a life and being stuck in a specific events of history keeps you stuck in history. If you see mistakes that OTHERS have done, you wanna repeat those. Yeah, choose your path by all means. The day you have to pay the bill from your mistakes will come.
Does that willingness to shoot rockets correlate some events THEY have experienced a´la by Israel somehow ? So who is here today " just intellectually lazy and a little ignorant". You don't need to answer. I know answer to that already. European christians while they persecuted others didn't see anything wrong in their actions either. Who would you.
schlemiel :
No, this is about Israel policy. It's not about me.
New Discriminatory Laws and Bills in Israel
Issued June 2011 – Updated June 2012
link to adalah.org
link to youtube.com!
The International Comission of Jurists :
link to documents.icj.org
Here is a interactive map from adalah :
link to adalah.org
*sigh*.....and then another
link to eda.admin.ch
schlemiel:
Yup. Told by King-Crane commission report 1919 :
link to unispal.un.org
Hey ! Arabs didn't force Israel to invade those areas. Peel commission partition plan was rejected by both sides. Resolution 181 rejected both sides. Arabs by desing, and Israel by action. Same thing 1949. And 1967. And today. So who is actually rejecting and what ?
Citizen, this is correct.
Shmuel:
Was my original thought also.
"The first precept was never to accept a thing as true until I knew it as such without a single doubt."
Rene Descartes
Shmuel:
I assume that you familiar with Shlomo Sand work ?
link to youtube.com
Besides of that, i don't know what those core things are. First i must apologize, im non-jewish. Second, time after time, many other "core" myths has been more or less busted. Exodus from Egypt maybe never happened. Romans didn't kick jews out from palestine, so that diaspora myth is just a myth, nothing else. And one curious note from that wikipage you brought up, all men who has given their theory, lived in 19th century. Was something created then that time, studied something and drawn some conclusions ? History is a living creature which changes form all the time. Many "beliefs" which we learned to be actual fact, has been more or less find out to be myth. But i wan't to say also this, i'm not in the position to make final word from anything. I'm just curious from many things, and i see things how i see them or interpret how i do. No offence to anyone. Peace !
Shmuel:
I don't know, are there any "core beliefs" at all.
jonah :
jonah, do us a little favour and try to find ANY state which is recognized political/religious/whatever bases. States recognize states, plain simple state, not what or how they have developed by religion/political/whatever definition.
Criticism is not valid. Territory was still palestinian land. Occupation by whom, doesn't and hasn't changed that fact.
proudzio:
All needed facts are there. Israel was given choice to take part and deliver facts. And as usually, Israel gives a hoot about international law and decisions.
jonah :
This is a common misconception. That universal right for a self-determination ( which of course means we all humans, including jewish people just to make clear this ), doesn't automatically mean any "national home". Or state. Or autonomy. Et cetera.
Self-determination is the principle in international law that nations have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no external compulsion or interference. The principle does not state how the decision is to be made, or what the outcome should be, whether it be independence, federation, protection, some form of autonomy or even full assimilation.[1] Neither does it state what the delimitation between nations should be — or even what constitutes a nation. In fact, there are conflicting definitions and legal criteria for determining which groups may legitimately claim the right to self-determination.[2] Moreover, self-determination is just one of many principles applied to determining international borders.[3]
By extension the term self-determination has come to mean the free choice of one's own acts without external compulsion.
proudzio:
But you can provide more accurate maps then ? Thank you.
So its a time to Romney go to Israel collect thirty pieces of silver.
Good job Hostage, my view also is same.
But not when those who move from place to place are palestinians, you for sure find some argument why they are not allowed to do so.
link to btselem.org
I have a fine therapist, we never argue anything. We always get along. His name is Jack Daniels. Sometimes i visit Mr. Johnnie Walker instead. Visit is short but very satisfactory. ;)
And they are doing quite right on this. Few things. Recognition of s state is made between of states, not between of non-state group / state. That kind of declaration has no legal bases in international law. Then comes another onion, which again can be heard all the time, because someone doesn't know what they are talking about at all. Is that NO STATE HAS ANY right to exist in international law. No international law declare that states has a right to exist. And don't confuse here that right of a self-determination.
giladg:
Because Suha is a sister to superman = Superwoman.
Its very dangerous to be near of Israel in any case.
Messages from other universe ?
Yup, because they can't enter palestinian areas without Israel permission. Rest stay in Israel because they buy Israeli hasbara.
So much for a freedom of speech.
Renegade Jewish Settlers
link to youtube.com
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link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Why point to Russia ? Any other hints ? :
According to the book The Bomb in the Basement, several death cases in Israel during 1957–1969 were caused by 210Po.[70] A leak was discovered at a Weizmann Institute laboratory in 1957. Traces of 210Po were found on the hands of professor Dror Sadeh, a physicist who researched radioactive materials. Medical tests indicated no harm, but the tests did not include bone marrow. Sadeh died from cancer. One of his students died of leukemia, and two colleagues died after a few years, both from cancer. The issue was investigated secretly, and there was never any formal admission that a connection between the leak and the deaths had existed.[71]
link to en.wikipedia.org
Merde, i didn't know that Shakespeare was pedophile also.
proudwhatever777:
Yes, because HMG didn't promise such a thing.
To them all. Welcome to the world of politics. Have a seat and buckle up. Its gonna be a rough ride.
Mayhem :
Great China Wall syndrome. Its not that how high is that or high long is that wall or strong or where is that wall. What is most important is THOSE MEN IN THE WALL.
I see. So this much there in Israel a confidence to the IDF that it can keep Israel in safe. None i suppose. You really have swallowed that BS completely. Hint for a Israel. Next time move those borders to Atlantic ocean, China sea, in north to Arctic sea and south Indian ocean if there is by some miracle "defensible borders". But then Israel should consider that Martians would attack so the next "defensible border" would be space. Defense and security starts in between of ears. Looks like that Soviet vs. US of A cold war nuclear missile race didn't teach anything to anyone ? Missiles can fly around of the world and hit the target in few minutes. Now you can draw the borders where you wish and still be targeted. Keep shitting to your pants as much as you please, or start talking to someone from this enemy at the gates fear.
Not only occupation and land-theft , but ethnic cleansing is a war crime.
OlegR :
So can we draw conclusion, that no such a law exist ? And you haven't seen protests example G8 summits where part of participants has been foreign people ? C'mon Oleg, get real now.
They can do it freely. Its in our constitution as a freedom of speech. Also in international human rights law btw.
OlegR:
We knew that already thx.
OlegR:
And you can surely link that law, which says so to here, thank you ! I just checked our constitution and it doesn't say a word that it's limited to finnish nationals only.
OlegR:
Because Israel is wonderful westernlike-ish democrazy, where right to protest is written into the constitution.
"Deportation of residents of occupied territory contravenes international law. Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention stipulates that, "Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive."
Israelis and palestinians in west bank are treated with dual legal system.
link to btselem.org
In international law there ain't no article which says that the state/states has a right to exist. Any. State. In the world.
giladg:
So that Israel government site still wasn't good enough ? If even that doesn't convince you, lets leave this matter right here then. I could of course provide here multiple pages, but i know for sure that all of those would not be enough in any case. Believe what you believe, fine by me.
link to mfa.gov.il
Blablablaa. Here is news for you, over 2000 years old : " All warfare is based on deception, Sun Tzu.
In your own government pages ? Wow. Now you don't believe even your own government sites. And you ask me to provide something ? Sorry, i have better things to do than provide info for you which would be in ANY case useless. All The Best, honest.
giladg :
What those "concessions" might be this time ?
It has changed. "Affirms that those articles of the PLO Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist are now inoperative and no longer valid;"
link to mfa.gov.il
Enemy at the gates, yes. Horrible. How can you even live under such a threat.
Believe is usually matter of religion.
Jewish Israel LOL.
Wonderful people in Columbia, can still live in reality, while you dont.
Well, we know that "sickness" you are livin.
Israel has been accepted long time ago. Definitions we leave to state of Israel. Its not the job of "pseudo liberals" or palestinians.
Fredb:
No they didn't.
Nope. They had to be expelled because without it, there wouldn't be jewish state.
Provide link where are supplies mentioned which pass to Gaza.
Official statement, in reality not really.
Terrorism grows from occupation. And they just keep on coming......until....
Fredblogs :
I am. Attack against soldiers ain't terrorism. Attacks against civilians is.
Mayhem :
Who aims to get rid of jews ?
Sassan :
Zionist regime. Not this crap again. Find dictionary and look what that means.
LOL.
Read some international law, and tell us again in which side truth sides brighter. Have you heard such a thing as a international law ?
giladg:
Have you even tried to think how they become "70% of Jordanians who are Palestinians?". No you haven't. Its really simple. Because something happened in 1947-1948. What that might be gilad ? Try to think that for a bit longer.
I even give you a little hint, which is pointless but i do it anyway.
link to unrwa.org
Fred :
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
link to guardian.co.uk
link to articles.cnn.com
Too blind to see ?
Fredb :
Wrong. UNCLOS is part of customary international law. 162 country's has ratified that. End of story.
Fredb:
THE MYSTERIOUS SAN REMO TREATY, HASBARISTS’ DELIGHT
Whenever Israel gets itself into serious hot water and kills a lot of people and looks really bad in the process, if it can, the MFA and the rest of the hasbara brigade goes into overdrive, dusts off all the possible avenues of defense they can find. Lately, with the Gaza flotilla shortly to embark on its attempt to break the illegal Israeli blockade of Gaza, and with memories fresh in the world’s mind of the nine dead bodies shot at point blank range by Israeli naval commandos, hasbarists are turning to an obscure international treaty to defend the indefensible: the collective punishment of 1.5 million Gazans by Israel’s armed forces.
I’m so tired to hearing these chirping hasbarists crickets all singing the same song (I must’ve had six different commenters in the past year who each separately raised San Remo as justification for the blockade) that I wanted to thank a commenter who pointed me to a rebuttal of the San Remo argument. It was written by a former British ambassador, Craig Murray. And before you question his credentials, let’s present them:
…Former Head of the Maritime Section of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. He negotiated the UK’s current maritime boundaries with Ireland, Denmark (Faeroes), Belgium and France, and boundaries of the Channel Islands, Turks and Caicos and British Virgin Islands. He was alternate Head of the UK Delegation to the UN Preparatory Commission on the Law of the Sea. He was Head of the FCO Section of the Embargo Surveillance Centre, enforcing sanctions on Iraq, and directly responsible for clearance of Royal Navy boarding operations in the Persian Gulf.
I quote Ambassador Murray in full (italics are mine):
Why San Remo Does Not Apply
Every comments thread on every internet site on the world which has discussed the Israeli naval murders, has been inundated by organised ZIonist commenters stating that the Israeli action was legal under the San Remo Manual of International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea.
They ignore those parts of San Remo that specifically state that it is illegal to enforce a general blockade on an entire population. But even apart from that, San Remo simply does not apply.
The manual relates specifically to legal practice in time of war. With whom is Israel at war?
There is no war.
Israeli apologists have gone on to say they are in a state of armed conflict with Gaza.
Really? In that case, why do we continually hear Israeli complaints about rockets fired from Gaza into Israel? If it is the formal Israeli position that it is in a state of armed conflict with Gaza, then Gaza has every right to attack Israel with rockets.
But in fact, plainly to the whole world, the nature and frequency of Israeli complaints about rocket attacks gives evidence that Israel does not in fact believe that a situation of armed conflict exists.
Secondly, if Israel wishes to claim it is in a state of armed conflict with Gaza, then it must treat all of its Gazan prisoners as prisoners of war entitled to the protections of the Geneva Convention. If you are in a formal state of armed conflict, you cannot categorise your opponents as terrorists.
But again, it is plain for the world to see from its treatment and description of Gazan prisoners that it does not consider itself to be in a formal position of armed conflict.
Israel is seeking to pick and choose which bits of law applicable to armed conflict it applies, by accepting or not accepting it is in armed conflcit depending on the expediency of the moment.
I have consistently denounced Hamas rocket attacks into Israel. I have categorised them as terrorism. If Israel wishes now to declare it is in armed conflcit with Gaza, I withdraw my opposition and indeed would urge Hamas to step up such attacks to the maximum.
Does Israel really wish to justify its latest action by declaring it is at war with Gaza? That is what the invocation of San Remo amounts to.
So please no more references to San Remo. It’s a red herring argument.
link to richardsilverstein.com
Hostage :
Yup, Duke university Chicago did study about that. 95 % of cases are connected to military occupation.
link to youtube.com
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link to youtube.com
Database here :
link to cpost.uchicago.edu
Human rights are universal. I just dont get it why should this be limited only to "left wing" side of people. Now dont get me wrong, as i also wholeheartedly support boycott against any wrong doers, any place who ever did it/do it.
I dropped long time ago my political stand to any direction, be it right, left or center or what ever we like to call them. Same goes with religion. I dont like hear from someone else how should i believe. Its between me and my God. If there is a such. And again same goes with politics. I dont wanna hear how my opinions should be in this and that matter. Or is that now or isnt politically correct.
This wasn't aimed at anyone, just came to my mind reply in this topic. No need to reply, my wife does that to me all the time ;).
Sporting boycott of South Africa during the Apartheid era
link to en.wikipedia.org
Enemy at the gates, part xxxxxxxxxx.
"Almost all wars are based on lies. Lies are considered legitimate instruments of war. Lebanon War I (as it was later called) was a glorious example.
From beginning to end (if it has ended yet) it was a war of deceit and deception, falsehoods and fabrications."
Uri Avnery
link to counterpunch.org
Read again Mr. Oren that Egypt/Israel peaceagreement, especially that part which contains Sinai area.
Egypt should consider that option. Israel has violated their treaty.
Is there any forum left which ain't "anti-semitic" these days. That "anti-semitic" rubber stamper has become a laughing stock time ago. But you keep on repeating that phrase cos' you don't know any better.
Fred:
Nuclear war between someone who has those weapons and other who doesnt have those/that. And you call that as a nuclear war ?
Fred :
Nuclear war between of who ?
Freddie :
I haven't heard anybody to threat any other to be nuked. Nuclear weapons are used as a "threat" as they lie in storage unused but available if needed. Originally they were made just for that purpose as a warning, that we have those big bang's, if you attack us. Like you later text shows :
I dont understand why Israel and human rights are in same sentence.
Translation : Elections are coming, and i need AIPAC votes & funding too. Anyway, story which we know already. Race for AIPAC support is on.
Of course, because its you who is on the leash. Your clever enough to admit that it ain't nice place to be.
Except when someone leaves mic open, you tell something else. Bummer.
They usually call that, in case you have never heard about it, freedom of speech. But this is area which you Oleg should know better from soviet system. Critics locked to mental institutions, jail or work camps. Siberia calling ! Yes, ill bet you miss those days.
Fredb:
Jewish National Council denounced the bombing of the King David. The Jewish Agency expressed "their feelings of horror at the base and unparalleled act perpetrated today by a gang of criminals", despite the fact that the Irgun was acting in response to the Jewish Resistance Movement, an organisation governed by the Jewish Agency. According to The Jerusalem Post, "[a]lthough the Hagana had sanctioned the King David bombing, world-wide condemnation caused the organization to distance itself from the attack." David Ben-Gurion deemed Irgun "the enemy of the Jewish people" after the attack. Hatsofeh, a Jewish newspaper in Palestine, went as far as to label the Irgun perpetrators "fascists".
O tempora, O mores !
Another :
link to hotline.org.il
Advocacy group: Refugee screening designed to reject all applicants
Out of thousands of requests for refugee status submitted in Israel last year, only eight were approved, says a new report by a leading refugee rights attorney.
Out of the thousands of requests for refugee status submitted in Israel last year, a total of eight were approved, says a new report by a leading refugee rights attorney.
link to haaretz.com
African refugees hired to build fence to keep migrants out of Israel
link to haaretz.com
link to unhcr.org
link to jpost.com
In 1964 it was Jordanian who ruled west bank, Egypt in Gaza strip. But i guess this goes beyond your imagination wildly. And that article 24 says as it is correct in time. Also i guess that we will see lots of butbutbut's later on....
OlegR:
Yes.
No.
So we are all africans really. Start dismantling your states, Africa Unite.
Now i see. Blame someone forever what forefathers did time ago.
You dont have all nuts & bolts in order Oleg.
OlgaR:
How about Uncle Joe alias Stalin victims ? Millions of them ? None left ?
Riiiight. Thats the spirit.
OlegR:
Fighting in front agains your grandfathers. Who made pact with nazi germany and attacked to my country. Thanks for asking.
Yes.
Israel, sign NPT or STFU.
Funny when what ever international body is investigating anything where Israel even close by, that body looses its reputation by some miracle.
Truth is very simple. Explanations are complicated.
OlegR :
Thats what you mean. And yes, i read a lot.
But they manage to pass many inportant resolutions in HRC, but my God when they mention Israel, that reveals what they are.
No. You'll find any excuse when Israel is target. Latest resolution in Syria case is also no go ? Because it was passed human rights violators also.
Wanna try another excuse ?
Same human rights council passed Syria resolution. Same human rights council has passed Israel mocking resolutions. Both are wrong ? Yes, no ?
So Oleg, whats wrong issues in this list ? :
link to ohchr.org
Syrian situation is just fine , because members in HRC are morons, right ?
Sri Lanka reconciliation and accountability is full of air, HRC members are nuts.
Composition of staff of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. All is just fine, as it should be ?
Adequate housing as a component of the right to an adequate standard of living in the context of disaster settings. Do i have to say something....HRC members are idiots to think something like this...
Question of the realization in all countries of economic, social and cultural rights. NOOOO, its not right. And anyway HRC members are morons.
Etc etc.
Really ? So who blackmailed here ?
Now i got flashback from 2004. When Israel refused also take part ICJ "security" wall question and didn't give, when asked, information why wall is necessary & evidence. Yup, instead of evidence Israel managed to pass 135 page essay why this case should't be in ICJ at all.
Situation with Israel and palestinians can't be called as war.
Because someone refused to cooperate in case solving. Wonder who it was....
Powerpoint presentations :
link to ochaopt.org
link to ochaopt.org
Questions gilad ?
Map :
link to ochaopt.org
In the comprehensive closure survey
completed at the end of June 2011, OCHA
field teams documented and mapped
522 obstacles blocking Palestinian
movement within the West Bank.
These include 62 permanently staffed
checkpoints (excluding checkpoints on
the Green Line), 25 partial checkpoints
(staffed on an ad-hoc basis) and 436
unstaffed physical obstacles, including
roadblocks, earthmounds, earth
walls, road gates, road barriers, and
trenches.
4
More than half of the permanently
staffed checkpoints (34 out of 62) are
located on main roads along the Barrier
and are used by the Israeli authorities to control
access to East Jerusalem, to Palestinian enclaves,
and to Israel. Of the remaining 28 checkpoints, 11
are located within the Israeli-controlled area of
Hebron City (H2 area), and the rest on key routes
elsewhere in the West Bank (see table below).
For methodological reasons, the total number of
obstacles mentioned above (522) does not include
some categories of physical obstacles deployed
by the Israeli authorities within the West Bank
territory:
� Some 350 kilometers of the Barrier constructed
within the West Bank (or 80 percent of the
completed sections), which block dozens of roads
and paths to Palestinian land and localities.
� The 66 agricultural gates leading into areas
isolated by the Barrier.
5
� Over 100 physical obstacles deployed through
the Israeli-controlled area of Hebron City (H2),
which were not counted in the initial years of
this survey (the figure above does include the 11
main staffed checkpoints in this area).
6
� Approximately 490 ad-hoc (‘flying’) checkpoints deployed on average every month. This type
of checkpoint operates for several hours each
time without permanent infrastructure on the
ground.
The total of 522 obstacles represents a net increase
of 19 obstacles, or nearly four percent, compared to
the equivalent figure recorded in July 2010 (503).
This increase was the result of the removal of 79
obstacles, alongside the installation of 98 new ones
at other locations. The largest increase was recorded
in the southern West Bank, where a net increase of
12 obstacles was recorded during this period
This overall increase in the total number of obstacles
follows two consecutive years of decline and brings
the current total back to the figure recorded in
September 2006 (see chart).
While these quantitative changes provide some
indication about the level of control exercised
by the Israeli military on the ground, in order to
understand the evolution of the system of access
restrictions, one must account also for significant
qualitative changes that occurred. Some of the most
salient qualitative changes recorded during the
past three reporting periods (July 2008 – June 2011)
include: � the turning of permanently staffed checkpoints
into partial checkpoints;
� the replacement of roadblocks and earthmounds
by road gates which are normally open;
� the lifting of some permit requirements;
� the paving and upgrading of alternative routes
for Palestinians.
These qualitative changes have contributed to
improving the access of Palestinians to and from the main urban centers (excluding East Jerusalem). This
has occurred despite the only limited reduction in
the number of obstacles during the previous two
reporting periods, and the small increase during the
present period. At the same time, these qualitative
and quantitative changes have had almost no
effect on the access of people to areas separated
by the Barrier, including East Jerusalem, to the
H2 area of Hebron City, to the Jordan Valley, and
to agricultural land in the vicinity of settlements,
which has remained severely restricted.
link to ochaopt.org
link to ochaopt.org
I am human, also called homo sapiens individual. Group where we all belong. Rest is a man made inventions. State, tribal group etc.
Fredb :
Stole IS accurate. Israel wasn't in war with palestine when she took it. War is wrong term in use when other side is non-state actor. Between state and non-state so for can't be "war". I pointed this out so even you can understand. Which i doubt.
Fredb:
Yes it turns that way, but dont worry. We really dont expect that you will get it.
Do you have dima Hebrew date of birth in your ID ?
If someone wanna, here are few options what might try in Firefox :
link to speedguide.net
playforpalestine :
Wrong terminology. I dont put jewish people any higher level importance than rest of the human population. And no, there is no "anti-semitism". Label it racism, and we are in closer terms.
Education does marvels, and getting to know those "others". Ignorance in this case would suite much better. So are those others called anti-black anti-chinese anti-catholics etc ? No. Its labelled as racism.
My comments ? Just because i dont see a term "anti-semitism" as valid. How do i see ? Jewish population has faced racism many times. Yes. Many places. Yes. Today. Yes. Tomorrow. Yes. Blacks has faced racism. Yes. Chinese . Yes. Mexicans. Yes. All of those are equally unacceptable.
We are talking different thing in this.
I dont see that jews get any different discrimination than many others groups has.
Irrelevant.
What specific form of bigotry ? You mean similar harassment as many other groups has been target. We call it also racism.
Yes they do.
What ???. People just hate jewish people because they are jewish. ? Whats wrong with a good old term as racism ? Or is it that when jewish person/population face racism, it has some so unique form that it needs needs a new definition ? While it is partly or wholly similar than many other minorities face from time to time, unfortunately of course.
I just dont buy that anti-semitism term so easily.
Dont really know how to put this up with in a decent way, so i just shot it out. There is no such a thing as a anti-semitism. There. Done it.
Fred :
America has only enemies which she has created by itself. In fact, miracle is that they are so few after all.
Fred :
After so called "withdrawal", Israel could have acted better. Not to closing whole gaza from the world. Which was evidence that Israel doesnt seek a peaceful solution.
Right, so says the international law. Never heard such a thing ? Naah...get back to sleep.
Not according to the Israeli leaders. They say that after palestinians give Israel definition as jewish state, all is just fine and beautiful. Birds & flowers + stuff all over the place. And after that they find new demand which must be fulfilled. They always do.
Your ziobot mind cant figure any other idea that hate of something. Boring life with only two colors ?
Bravo Professor, bravo. Thats one side of the BDS movement.
Surprise, when explained what they are buying => that they support apartheid. They skip those items pronto.
Cry me a river. Even two.
And that context was what Fred ?
Fredb :
Necessity ? Oh yeah, without occupation there wouldn't be settlers & settlements. Was this necessity in your mind Fred ?
But of course my dear.
giladg :
Oh, im sorry. I thought that you were talkin' about those liberal zionists. Who and what ever those are.
And settlers in west bank.
Sky is falling & holocaust part 2 alert.
European puppet masters ? I really dont know what you are smoking or inhaling or sniffing, but seriously gilad. Nation level schizophrenia or something ?