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Another :
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Advocacy group: Refugee screening designed to reject all applicants
Out of thousands of requests for refugee status submitted in Israel last year, only eight were approved, says a new report by a leading refugee rights attorney.
Out of the thousands of requests for refugee status submitted in Israel last year, a total of eight were approved, says a new report by a leading refugee rights attorney.
link to haaretz.com
African refugees hired to build fence to keep migrants out of Israel
link to haaretz.com
link to unhcr.org
link to jpost.com
In 1964 it was Jordanian who ruled west bank, Egypt in Gaza strip. But i guess this goes beyond your imagination wildly. And that article 24 says as it is correct in time. Also i guess that we will see lots of butbutbut's later on....
OlegR:
Yes.
No.
So we are all africans really. Start dismantling your states, Africa Unite.
Now i see. Blame someone forever what forefathers did time ago.
You dont have all nuts & bolts in order Oleg.
OlgaR:
How about Uncle Joe alias Stalin victims ? Millions of them ? None left ?
Riiiight. Thats the spirit.
OlegR:
Fighting in front agains your grandfathers. Who made pact with nazi germany and attacked to my country. Thanks for asking.
Yes.
Israel, sign NPT or STFU.
Funny when what ever international body is investigating anything where Israel even close by, that body looses its reputation by some miracle.
Truth is very simple. Explanations are complicated.
OlegR :
Thats what you mean. And yes, i read a lot.
But they manage to pass many inportant resolutions in HRC, but my God when they mention Israel, that reveals what they are.
No. You'll find any excuse when Israel is target. Latest resolution in Syria case is also no go ? Because it was passed human rights violators also.
Wanna try another excuse ?
Same human rights council passed Syria resolution. Same human rights council has passed Israel mocking resolutions. Both are wrong ? Yes, no ?
So Oleg, whats wrong issues in this list ? :
link to ohchr.org
Syrian situation is just fine , because members in HRC are morons, right ?
Sri Lanka reconciliation and accountability is full of air, HRC members are nuts.
Composition of staff of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. All is just fine, as it should be ?
Adequate housing as a component of the right to an adequate standard of living in the context of disaster settings. Do i have to say something....HRC members are idiots to think something like this...
Question of the realization in all countries of economic, social and cultural rights. NOOOO, its not right. And anyway HRC members are morons.
Etc etc.
Really ? So who blackmailed here ?
Now i got flashback from 2004. When Israel refused also take part ICJ "security" wall question and didn't give, when asked, information why wall is necessary & evidence. Yup, instead of evidence Israel managed to pass 135 page essay why this case should't be in ICJ at all.
Situation with Israel and palestinians can't be called as war.
Because someone refused to cooperate in case solving. Wonder who it was....
Powerpoint presentations :
link to ochaopt.org
link to ochaopt.org
Questions gilad ?
Map :
link to ochaopt.org
In the comprehensive closure survey
completed at the end of June 2011, OCHA
field teams documented and mapped
522 obstacles blocking Palestinian
movement within the West Bank.
These include 62 permanently staffed
checkpoints (excluding checkpoints on
the Green Line), 25 partial checkpoints
(staffed on an ad-hoc basis) and 436
unstaffed physical obstacles, including
roadblocks, earthmounds, earth
walls, road gates, road barriers, and
trenches.
4
More than half of the permanently
staffed checkpoints (34 out of 62) are
located on main roads along the Barrier
and are used by the Israeli authorities to control
access to East Jerusalem, to Palestinian enclaves,
and to Israel. Of the remaining 28 checkpoints, 11
are located within the Israeli-controlled area of
Hebron City (H2 area), and the rest on key routes
elsewhere in the West Bank (see table below).
For methodological reasons, the total number of
obstacles mentioned above (522) does not include
some categories of physical obstacles deployed
by the Israeli authorities within the West Bank
territory:
� Some 350 kilometers of the Barrier constructed
within the West Bank (or 80 percent of the
completed sections), which block dozens of roads
and paths to Palestinian land and localities.
� The 66 agricultural gates leading into areas
isolated by the Barrier.
5
� Over 100 physical obstacles deployed through
the Israeli-controlled area of Hebron City (H2),
which were not counted in the initial years of
this survey (the figure above does include the 11
main staffed checkpoints in this area).
6
� Approximately 490 ad-hoc (‘flying’) checkpoints deployed on average every month. This type
of checkpoint operates for several hours each
time without permanent infrastructure on the
ground.
The total of 522 obstacles represents a net increase
of 19 obstacles, or nearly four percent, compared to
the equivalent figure recorded in July 2010 (503).
This increase was the result of the removal of 79
obstacles, alongside the installation of 98 new ones
at other locations. The largest increase was recorded
in the southern West Bank, where a net increase of
12 obstacles was recorded during this period
This overall increase in the total number of obstacles
follows two consecutive years of decline and brings
the current total back to the figure recorded in
September 2006 (see chart).
While these quantitative changes provide some
indication about the level of control exercised
by the Israeli military on the ground, in order to
understand the evolution of the system of access
restrictions, one must account also for significant
qualitative changes that occurred. Some of the most
salient qualitative changes recorded during the
past three reporting periods (July 2008 – June 2011)
include: � the turning of permanently staffed checkpoints
into partial checkpoints;
� the replacement of roadblocks and earthmounds
by road gates which are normally open;
� the lifting of some permit requirements;
� the paving and upgrading of alternative routes
for Palestinians.
These qualitative changes have contributed to
improving the access of Palestinians to and from the main urban centers (excluding East Jerusalem). This
has occurred despite the only limited reduction in
the number of obstacles during the previous two
reporting periods, and the small increase during the
present period. At the same time, these qualitative
and quantitative changes have had almost no
effect on the access of people to areas separated
by the Barrier, including East Jerusalem, to the
H2 area of Hebron City, to the Jordan Valley, and
to agricultural land in the vicinity of settlements,
which has remained severely restricted.
link to ochaopt.org
link to ochaopt.org
I am human, also called homo sapiens individual. Group where we all belong. Rest is a man made inventions. State, tribal group etc.
Fredb :
Stole IS accurate. Israel wasn't in war with palestine when she took it. War is wrong term in use when other side is non-state actor. Between state and non-state so for can't be "war". I pointed this out so even you can understand. Which i doubt.
Fredb:
Yes it turns that way, but dont worry. We really dont expect that you will get it.
Do you have dima Hebrew date of birth in your ID ?
If someone wanna, here are few options what might try in Firefox :
link to speedguide.net
playforpalestine :
Wrong terminology. I dont put jewish people any higher level importance than rest of the human population. And no, there is no "anti-semitism". Label it racism, and we are in closer terms.
Education does marvels, and getting to know those "others". Ignorance in this case would suite much better. So are those others called anti-black anti-chinese anti-catholics etc ? No. Its labelled as racism.
My comments ? Just because i dont see a term "anti-semitism" as valid. How do i see ? Jewish population has faced racism many times. Yes. Many places. Yes. Today. Yes. Tomorrow. Yes. Blacks has faced racism. Yes. Chinese . Yes. Mexicans. Yes. All of those are equally unacceptable.
We are talking different thing in this.
I dont see that jews get any different discrimination than many others groups has.
Irrelevant.
What specific form of bigotry ? You mean similar harassment as many other groups has been target. We call it also racism.
Yes they do.
What ???. People just hate jewish people because they are jewish. ? Whats wrong with a good old term as racism ? Or is it that when jewish person/population face racism, it has some so unique form that it needs needs a new definition ? While it is partly or wholly similar than many other minorities face from time to time, unfortunately of course.
I just dont buy that anti-semitism term so easily.
Dont really know how to put this up with in a decent way, so i just shot it out. There is no such a thing as a anti-semitism. There. Done it.
Fred :
America has only enemies which she has created by itself. In fact, miracle is that they are so few after all.
Fred :
After so called "withdrawal", Israel could have acted better. Not to closing whole gaza from the world. Which was evidence that Israel doesnt seek a peaceful solution.
Right, so says the international law. Never heard such a thing ? Naah...get back to sleep.
Not according to the Israeli leaders. They say that after palestinians give Israel definition as jewish state, all is just fine and beautiful. Birds & flowers + stuff all over the place. And after that they find new demand which must be fulfilled. They always do.
Your ziobot mind cant figure any other idea that hate of something. Boring life with only two colors ?
Bravo Professor, bravo. Thats one side of the BDS movement.
Surprise, when explained what they are buying => that they support apartheid. They skip those items pronto.
Cry me a river. Even two.
And that context was what Fred ?
Fredb :
Necessity ? Oh yeah, without occupation there wouldn't be settlers & settlements. Was this necessity in your mind Fred ?
But of course my dear.
giladg :
Oh, im sorry. I thought that you were talkin' about those liberal zionists. Who and what ever those are.
And settlers in west bank.
Sky is falling & holocaust part 2 alert.
European puppet masters ? I really dont know what you are smoking or inhaling or sniffing, but seriously gilad. Nation level schizophrenia or something ?
giladg :
We will forgive you that. After all, we are all humans. Mostly.
And then there are times, when ziobots start to talking again, about this arabs are all the same one arab nation is never far away concept while no single move that direction is made in any arab meeting. Funny how they just love to be so separated one arab nation.
Yes, we all are so afraid of paper tiger. And holocaust all over again. That sky is falling theme 24/7 doesnt do good to your mental health you know ?
Hilarious.
Where you get these visions ?
Fred, you forgot to add bicycles to that list....
You got it right this time Fred, it's that "something". But don't bother your soul thinking of it. It will cause headache.
hoph :
And then came Santa Claus. With elves & reindeer choir.
If MOST are liberal, where is influence, and mostly action to that direction. Say it as it is hoph, doesnt exists. Put it where your BS is, nowhere. Have a Good one hoph. And i mean it really. Honest.
Fred :
PSST, Fred....those "white phosphorus missiles" are IDF shot...
So biggest fear now for ziobots is unarmed civilians. Give em' treatment from M-16.
( hold on, they just did )
steve :
Blod bagvaske, or blod bagtale.
@Fredblogs :
You just dont get it do ya Freddo ?
@smndoerksen :
Dont say war. War is a wrong terminology in this case.
Why not ?
And occupation somehow solves all the problems.....LOL
Ending that is usually in the world considered good reason to make peace with others. But thanks anyway to pointing out why in Israel this matter is upside down. And your rest message confirms this insanity.
Thanks to visiting, leave keys to table when you go. Bye.
Great. Now give back westbank etc.
giladg :
And someones say that there is something smelling in that medical school :
link to technionteams.com
By the way, from which country those arabs are... ?
giladg :
And rest of the land own by who ?
giladg :
Existential threat my bum. Go and tell this someone else...
And you poor thing dont even know why they voted Hamas to power after all....my my...
You just cant quit that nonsense, dont ya' ?
giladg :
vs.
So which one is it ? Two contradicting arguments. First there is full rights, and then you take it little back.
And how would they have saved ? Extermination started in 1942, when war was in its 3rd year going.
I voted also : Richtig ;)
CloakAndDagger :
We have known that long time, but our ziobot avtomat machines repeat this again and again.
proudzio666 :
First day in school :
link to icrc.org
Here is contact numbers for you. Dont forget to tell your violations to them. Good luck !
link to police.gov.il
wondering jew :
Jordan yes. Egypt yes. Lebanon no. With Jordan this issue is in peace treaty between I/J. Same with Egypt. Between Israel / Lebanon, no peace treaty yet where sides verify their borders. Mainly it follows "international border", Blue Line as called, but not in Shebaa farms area.
link to mfa.gov.il
link to kinghussein.gov.jo
link to en.wikipedia.org
Fredblogs :
ICJ does have jurisdiction over palestinian territories also. Clearly you Fred have no idea what you are talkin' about.
giladg :
Doesn't matter. International law says that it's according to the International law to resist alien occupation, even with armed strugle.
60. The total population of Palestine at the end of 1936 was approximately 1,300,000, the Jews being estimated at 384,000. The Arabs had also increased rapidly, mainly as a result of the cessation of the military conscription imposed on the country by the Ottoman Empire, the campaign against malaria and the improvement in health services generally. In absolute figures their increase more than equalled that of the Jewish population, but relatively the latter had risen from 13 per cent at the census of 1922 to nearly 30 per cent at the end of 1936.
61. The immigration of Jews into Palestine was accompanied by an impressive important of Jewish capital, estimated at nearly P.80,000,000 by the end of 1936. This inflow of capital increased with the rising figures of immigration, and made its contribution to a striking expansion of Jewish activity in both agriculture and industry. The number of Jewish agricultural settlements rose from 96 in 1927 to 172 in 1936 and their total population from 28,000 to 87,000. The capital invested in Jewish industry rose from P.2,095,000 in 1930 to P.11,064,000 in 1937. The population of the all-Jewish city of Tel Aviv was nearing 150,000.
62. Despite the growing extent and diversity of industry, the importance of citrus fruits in Palestine’s export trade continued to increase. The volume of citrus exports rose steadily from 2,600,000 cases in 1929-30 to 7,300,000 in 1934-35, falling in the next year to 5,900,000 but immediately resuming its rise to the peck figure of 15,300,000 in 1938-39. In the calendar year 1935, oranges, grapefruit and lemons constituted 84 per cent of Palestine’s total exports.
63. The economic prosperity of the country during these years was reflected in the public revenue, which, as compared with an average of less than two and a half million pounds in the year 1928-31, reached a total of P.5,770,000 in the financial year 1935-36. The statistics of foreign trade were equally significant. The value of imports increased from P.7,167,000 in 1929 to P.17,853,000 in 1935 and that of exports from P.1,554,000 to P.4,215,000 in the same years.
64. The impetus given to the country’s economic development by Jewish immigration and by the influx of Jewish capital conferred certain benefits on the Arab community. The Government was able to expand its services, in the interest of the whole population, by means of revenue drawn in an increasing proportion from the Jewish taxpayer. And the Arab cultivator benefited from the expansion of the urban market for his produce. Nor could it be shown that the purchase of land by Jews had driven any appreciable number of Arab cultivators out of agriculture.
65. The Arabs were, nevertheless, apprehensive for their economic future. Their numbers were increasing rapidly, already there were signs of rural congestion in the hill villages, and the more fertile land in the plains, which might have been developed to absorb their excess population, was steadily passing into Jewish ownership.
66. The two communities remained economically distinct. the lack of fusion between the indigenous Arab and oriental Jewish population on the one hand, and the Jewish immigrants from Europe on the other, was strikingly illustrated by tables of comparative daily wages officially computed in 1935, from which the following is an extract
link to unispal.un.org
48. Dealing next with the social economic problems surveyed by Sir John Hope-Simpson, the statement endorsed the latter’s conclusion that
“at the present time and with the present methods of Arab cultivation there remains no margin of land available for agricultural settlement by new immigrants, with the exception of such undeveloped land as the various Jewish agencies hold in reserve.”
It also cited Sir John Hope-Simpson’s calculation that, if the whole cultivable area of the country were divided among the existing Arab cultivators, it would not provide them with an average holding sufficient to maintain a decent standard of life. In these circumstances, the duty of ensuring that the “rights and position” of the Arabs were not prejudiced could be reconciled with the duty of encouraging Jewish settlement only by means of methodical agricultural development.”
“Only by a the adoption of such a policy will additional Jewish agricultural settlement be possible consistently with the conditions laid down in Article 6 of the Mandate. The result desired will not be obtained except by years of work. It is for this reason fortunate that the Jewish organisations are in possession of a large reserve of land not yet settled or developed. Their operations can continue without break, while more general steps of development, in the benefits of which Jews and Arabs can both share, are being worked out. During this period, however, the control of all disposition of land must of necessity rest with the authority in charge of the development. Transfers of land will be permitted only in so far as they do not interfere with the plans of that authority.”
link to unispal.un.org
proudzio :
Excuse moi ? Arab community was getting some positive benefits from NON-zionist parts from jewish community. Thing was different from zionist part. Example zionists managed to get pass rejection to use arab workers.
Because they didnt.
Time to you hoph also look these :
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
Afghan Officials Deny French Suspect Escaped Their Prison
KABUL, Afghanistan — Countering reports that the suspect in seven killings in France was one of hundreds of men who escaped from an Afghan prison in 2008, Afghan officials said Wednesday that a man by the same name had indeed escaped then, but was a citizen of Afghanistan, not France.
The suspect has been identified in French media reports as Mohammad Merah. The Afghan authorities said that a Mohammad Merah was arrested on Dec. 19, 2007, and convicted of planting bombs in and around the southern city of Kandahar, which is the area where the Taliban movement began.
“All I can say is that we have this guy Mohammed Merah in our records, but he’s an Afghan citizen,” said Brig. Gen. Abdul Raziq, the police chief of Kandahar Province. “He’s certainly not French.”
He was sent to serve his three-year sentence at the city’s Saraposa prison, said Ghulam Faruq, the chief of the detention facility, citing prison records. That is a high-security prison on Kandahar’s southern outskirts.
“We have this name in our book,” Mr. Faruq said. “He was registered in 2007 and he was brought to the prison and he was convicted for planting bombs and I.E.D.’s inside and outside Kandahar city.”
A spokesman for the government of Kandahar Province, Zalmai Ayoubi, said that the man was from Kandahar and that officials even knew his father’s name — Ahmad Shah, also a citizen of Afghanistan.
The Afghan Mr. Merah escaped on June 13, 2008, when a Taliban fighter drove a fuel tanker to the gates of Saraposa, jumped out, dodged a few bullets fired by the prison guards, and then from a distance launched a rocket-propelled grenade into his vehicle. The enormous explosion killed the guards and blew a huge hole in the prison’s walls, allowing about 900 prisoners to escape.
Officials said at the time that about 350 of the escapees were Taliban or allied insurgents, and Mr. Faruq said on Wednesday that Mr. Merah was among them.
The prison break was one of the worst breaches of security in Afghanistan since 2001, when American forces helped oust the Taliban.
link to nytimes.com
Mayhem :
Right, because few days earlier, evidently same shooter killed north-african origin French army soldiers. They were muslims.
That casual observer takes notion only news where muslims kill. I guess that you haven't heard places like Iraq, Afganistan and Libya. Where non-muslims kill muslims day by day.
And if casual observer kindly look these videos :
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
link to youtube.com
But i guess you get same information from TV & Radio....
Annie, about Ashton "remarks" :
Ashton: Toulouse remarks distorted
Europe's foreign policy chief Cathy Ashton has tried to defuse a growing row with Israel over remarks interpreted as linking the killings of school children in France with deaths in Gaza.
Baroness Ashton highlighted various tragedies taking the lives of children when she addressed a Palestinian refugee youth conference in Brussels.
After being urged to resign as EU High Representative by Israel's defence minister, she told MEPs her words had been distorted.
She prefaced a scheduled address on foreign policy to a European Parliament committee by declaring: "I want to begin by saying something that is very, very important to me because I am really saddened by the distortion of my remarks yesterday at the UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) event."
She went on: "I condemn unreservedly the terrible murders at the Ozar Hatorah school in Toulouse yesterday and extend my sympathy to the families and friends of the victims, to the people of France and to the Jewish community.
"At yesterday's event I drew no parallel whatsoever between this tragedy and events elsewhere in the Middle East."
Earlier Israel's defence minister Ehud Barak insisted: "The comparison made by Ashton between what is happening in Gaza to what happened in Toulouse, and what is going on in Syria every day, is outrageous and has absolutely no grounding in reality."
In her remarks on Monday Baroness Ashton mentioned a range of tragic events involving children, from last week's Swiss coach crash in which 22 Belgian schoolchildren died, to the Norwegian massacre by a lone gunmen last year.
She said: "We remember young people who have been killed in all sorts of terrible circumstances - the Belgian children having lost their lives in a terrible tragedy and when we think of what happened in Toulouse today, when we remember what happened in Norway a year ago, when we know what is happening in Syria, when we see what is happening in Gaza and in different parts of the world, we remember young people and children who lose their lives."
The issue raised immediate Israeli sensitivities because of the recent death of at least one Palestinian child in renewed conflict between Israeli forces and Gaza Strip militant groups, bringing to 13 the estimated tally of under-18s in Gaza said to have been killed by Israel forces.
Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman said Baroness Ashton's words should be publicly retracted, while interior minister Eli Yishai said she should resign as a compromised "honest broker" in the Middle East conflict.
Before Baroness Ashton spoke out, her spokesman insisted: "In her remarks, the High Representative referred to tragedies taking the lives of children around the world and drew no parallel whatsoever between the circumstances of the Toulouse attack and the situation in Gaza."
She was backed by Tory MEP Charles Tannock who told Baroness Ashton: "I have seen the comments in the Israeli press and read your speech and entirely agree with your statement that you were either misunderstood or unfairly misrepresented."
Belgian MEP Annemie Neyts told her: "I was present at yesterday's UNRWA youth conference and can confirm that Israeli foreign minister Lieberman has completely misrepresented you and was very ill-inspired in his comments."
link to web.orange.co.uk
giladg :
I don't hate palestinians, if that's your concern. I don't hate anyone.
No shit.
Like palestinian militants who shoot those crude rockets from gaza.....who knows where those land. But surely you are with us in this.
With IDF, those mistakes happen just too often to be just mistake. Was it bounce or landed straight to head gilad ?
But thats not all, using dog's against of muslim protester....you know what that means ?
But just giving to Fred some information :
Muslim Brotherhood Attends First Christmas Celebrations Following Toppling of Mubarak
This year's Christmas celebrations, the first following the ousting of Mubarak and his regime, took on a new note with the meeting between Muslim Brotherhood (MB), leaders and Church representatives and leaders in Alexandria.
link to ikhwanweb.com
link to ikhwanweb.com
link to ikhwanweb.com
link to ikhwanweb.com
So meanwhile in real world Fred....
Shingo :
Indeed that is the case. That first "recognition" was more like of a preliminary recognition, later it was de jure recognition, final. And while it was that preliminary, it was called as jewish state, and changed to Israel when de jure recognition was made. Same way was coming Israel state called as jewish state in UN, until State of Israel was formed. And palestinian side, was called arab state. Just were given to sides as a "workname".
While i'm not expert in US policy making, i would make a guess that foreign relations belong to the President and Senate, not so much to the congress.
Also one thing, while this definition of a state (which doesn't exist in international law ), or recognition of states is a voluntary act. Try then take this case example to ICJ, and i have a strong believe that ICJ would dismiss that case because there is no regulation in these matters in international law. And there ain't no law, you can't really make demand any direction cos' law is missing.
Shingo :
At least not yet. From US department of state :
Recognition
U.S. Recognition of Israel, 1948.
The United States recognized Israel as an independent state on May 14, 1948, when President Harry Truman issued a statement of recognition following Israel’s proclamation of independence on the same date.
So there it is. The Best mate for Israel in the world, USA, doesn't mention as "jewish state" anywhere. Politicians can say, and often say, what ever they want. But no official change in status has been made.
link to history.state.gov
link to trumanlibrary.org
5 Years gives a nice time to think.
Shingo :
In international law, which rounds recognition of states, diplomatic relations etc. Doesn't say anything about need to give definition of other states, or need to do so. In fact, no state is given in international law a requirement to give recognition of any other state in the world.
dimadok :
And now, you give us that real bombshell, and point to that international law which says that any state should give recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. I have asked this from many, and i'm still waiting that answer.
stevieb :
Sorry to say but no. In international law, there ain't no preemptive attack or war.
Fredblogs :
And in same time, Israel arabs were also prevented to enter Muslim Holy sites in Jerusalami by Jordanian officials. Did't know that Fred ?
We don't have to think this at all. International law does that thinking for us all.
What is this ‘venomous’ delegitimization of Israel ?
Walid :
Yup, i personally witnessed these "voluntary" conscriptions few occasion, SLA ( or DFF as we called them in UNIFIL ), entered into house and dragged young male out and told that you just joined to SLA. To youngster they told that we know where your family lives, if you think to desert our ranks. And to family, that if you wanna see your young son again, shut up. I think that i got few photo's still in my collection from these....
giladg :
They pretty well know living conditions in refugee camps ?
They HAVE that control. Has been so merely about 1400 years. Just a little reminder from that control :
link to unispal.un.org
Nation about 150 years of who ?
Once there was dinosaurs also. So where are those Temples ? Gone. Move on.
Because they HAVE an ownership over it. Get used to it finally. Get also used to the idea that things that were real 2000 years ago are gone.
You want palestinians recognize something, that you dont do, recognize palestinian ownership. You wanna share, well make some sort of gesture to palestinians about Temple Mount.
Iran Has a Nuclear Power,
Not a Weapons Program
Clinton Bastin, a nuclear scientist, chemical engineer, and former
Department of Energy official, was interviewed on the recent IAEA
report on Iran’s nuclear program.
link to 21stcenturysciencetech.com
No nnpt signed country, has given IAEA unlimited access to any place they want to inspect. This is not even written in nnpt articles, that every country should give unrestricted access to any site they want to look for. Maybe there are in this case in wider public mind some misconception, that IAEA is "above" of limitations, what they can and will go to check. Not so.
link to iaea.org
dms :
Remember Darfur ! Tibet ! And what else but dont for a God sake talk about Israel. Right ?
wj, sorry to say this, but that debate has been over looong time ago. You didnt get that memo ?
Glad that you asked RW, and i can give you straight answer : link to iaea.org
RW :
Wrong. Excuses.
Hamas doesnt need to recognize anything. People and nation Israel goes trashcan as well. Nobody havent teach you this basic element about recognition who/where/why/how ?
Que bono jonah ?
Also what took in my ear, how Aaron David Miller tried to point out why UN involvement haven't take Palestine state issue an inch further. Now or in the past.
Simple answer. US veto.
jonah :
Yes there was. 2000 years they lived in harmony, until enter zionists. That was The End.
Yes you did.
And outside of politics, its called corruption, in my eyes bribery.
Doesnt matter how much you spray perfume to horse stuff, its still horse stuff.
Its so easy to read only that part from the Khartoum declaration. But thats just part of it.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Annie, read through these :
link to addameer.org
Lovely, just a lovely.
jonah :
Like palestinian family members can visit ? When they can.
And same time, nearly as much of palestinians are back to Israeli dungeons.
link to maannews.net
This is so revealing, as usual :
Accepted by Jews ? If that what jews ( zionists ), did to the palestinians starting few weeks after resolution 181 came out, as a acceptance of that resolution. I really dont know then what would be rejection. They try to keep on living in the world of imagination.
RW:
In the international law ? And its not proposal, its demand. Try instead to incorporate to your "proposal" some international law, doesnt fit in really, ?
I think mass forced removal is a bad action, and unless you regard Israel as an inevitably racist state that cannot tolerate a Palestinian minority, that they should be able to find a means to accommodate that legally and peaceably.
Sounds familiar ? But illegal settler movement to palestine...ppffff.....what, they dont tolerate jews. Racists. BTW. Have you asked lately from the settlers, how much they desire of Palestine state citizenship ? If reply is yes, do they still keep their Israeli passports, or do they give up that. And would same time Israel give palestinian refugees green light, to move back ? There went jewish state to sewers, if answer was yes. If no, settlers can live in palestine, but no return of refugees. So where is racism ?
What selective set of data RW ?
Writer is Caroline B. Glick. And thats the end of that story.
Pretty good job Dan, next read jewish matters from Der Stürmer. You'll get as much accurate information.
Now where i have read that before.....oh yes. In -67 war, when Israel took Golan AFTER ceasefire was agreed.
Sounds like a 1956 again dima ? So has the Israel done a secret attack plan with Brits and French again -56 style ?
eee :
Wrong.
Wrong again. Lebarmy didnt want to operate in S-Lebanon. And they didnt ask hezbollah permission to more troops and more mobile. Unifil has operated around S-Lebanon since the beginning of Unifil.
Wrong.
In fact, i trust more what hezbollah says.
Not even close how they operate.
I spent a year in Lebanon watching how they operate. So you can quit you BS right here.
Top of the bottom ?
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson 1775
Here it is, as it should be. Trained soldiers are using this method. IDF is another case i see.
"Early history.For the purposes of this report it is unnecessary to discuss the early history of immigration into Palestine. The original Immigration Ordinance came into force in 1920, under which the Zionist Organization were authorized to introduce into the country 16,500 immigrants per annum, on condition that they accepted responsibility for their maintenance for one year. This system was not found to be a success, and in May, 1921, immigration was suspended until revised conditions could be imposed."
link to unispal.un.org
Sometimes someones calculated palestinian muslims & christians and other groups together, and sometimes separated.
Found it :
link to en.wikipedia.org
Dont know. Never heard before....
Numbers are wrong. Here are correct numbers :
Moslems 590,890
Jews 83,794
Christians 73,024
Druzes 7,028
Samaritans 163
Bahais 265
Metawallis 156
Hindoos 1,454
Sikhs 408
Total 757,182
Not much difference, but these are correct ones ;)
link to unispal.un.org
Interview in Guardian :
link to guardian.co.uk
Another :
link to guardian.co.uk
And American Indians were named by Christopher Columbus. Because he made mistake, and thought that he entered India, place he was looking for or new route to there. Dan, are you trying to invent a wheel again ?
Another thing,
APPENDIX II.
Palestinian Citizenship (Amendment) Order, 1931.
AT THE COURT AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE.
The 23rd day of July, 1931.
Present,
THE KING'S MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY.
Lord President. Mr. Secretary Wedgwood Benn.
Earl of Athlone. Sir Maurice de Bunsen.
WHEREAS by the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925 (hereinafter referred
to as the Principal Order), provision was made for the regulation of the grant
and acquisition of Palestinian citizenship:
AND WHEREAS it is expedient to amend the Principal Order as hereinafter
set forth:
NOW, THEREFORE, His Majesty, by virtue and in exercise of the powers
in this behalf by the Foreign Jurisdiction Act, 1890, or otherwise in His
Majesty vested, is pleased, by and with the advice of His Privy Council,
to order, and it is hereby ordered, as follows:--
1.--(1) Turkish subjects who were habitually resident in the territory of
Palestine upon the sixth day of August, 1924, but ceased to be so habitually
resident before the first day of August, 1925, shall be deemed to have become
Palestinian citizens, unless before the date of this Order they shall have
voluntarily acquired another nationality.
(2) Nevertheless, the High Commissioner shall have power in the case of
any person who becomes a Palestinian citizen by virtue of the preceding
paragraph and shall make an application to this effect within four years
of the date of this Order, to apply to any such person the provisions of
paragraphs 2 and 3 of Article 1 of the Palestinian Citizenship Order, 1925,
and to extend the period of option provided for therein.
2.--(1) Article 10 (1) of the Principal Order is hereby repealed and the
following is substituted therefor:
"Where it appears to the High Commissioner that a certificate of
naturalization granted by him has been obtained by false representation
or fraud or by concealment of material circumstances, or that the person
to whom the certificate is granted has, since the grant, been for a
period of not less than three years ordinarily resident out of Palestine
and has not maintained substantial connection with Palestine, or has shown
himself by act or speech to be disaffected, or disloyal to the Government
of Palestine, the High Commissioner may, subject to the approval of one of
His Majesty's Principal Secretaries of State, by order revoke the
certificate, and the order of revocation shall have effect from such
date as the High Commissioner may direct."
(2) Article 10 (2) of the Principal Order is hereby repealed, and the
following is substituted therefor:--"The High Commissioner may, for the
like reasons, and subject to the like approval, annul a Certificate of
Citizenship granted under the provisions of Articles 4 and 5 hereof,
or a declaration of the acquisition or resumption of citizenship made under
the provisions of Articles 12 (1) and 14 (2) of this Order."
3. Article 11 (1) (b) of the Principal Order is hereby repealed, and the
following is substituted therefor:--"The High Commissioner shall not make any
such Order as aforesaid in the case of a wife who was at birth, or who became,
in virtue of Articles 1 and 6 of this Order, a Palestinian citizen, unless he is
satisfied that if she had held a certificate of naturalization in her own right,
the certificate could properly have been revoked under this Order."
4. His Majesty, His Heirs and Successors, in Council, may at any time
revoke, alter, or amend this Order.
5. This Order shall be published and proclaimed in Palestine, and the
date of such publication shall be deemed to be the date of the commencement
of this Order.
6. This Order shall be known as the Palestinian Citizenship (Amendment)
Order, 1931, and shall be read and construed as one with the Principal
Order.
COLIN SMITH.
link to unispal.un.org
Palestinian schoolbooks.
EU report :
link to consilium.europa.eu
link to europa.eu
Professor Nathan J. Brown :
link to pcdc.edu.ps
link to home.gwu.edu
Haaretz :
link to pcdc.edu.ps
Message to Newt, back to school.
hoph:
You mean, when you serve in IDF, you might get rock in the head ? Yes, serving in the occupier army is a bloody business. You finally realized this oxymoron dilemma huh ?
Difference is, after Israeli warmonger, someone has to collect dead bodies. You havent noticed dima ?
And China, Russia....perhaps
Before of 1948, there was no state of Israel either. And dont count in 2000 years back ago existed situation. Because states that exist today, are development process 1700's -1800's nation states founding. HA, that would be interesting dilemma if you can have a state, only IF you previously had a state. I saw somewhere, brains for sale, take it Newt. You'll need em'.
When arabs ( muslims ), took the palestine some time ago, that didnt change the ethnic background of indigenous population. Otherwise all christians are palestinians/Israelis too. All buddhists are Indians etc etc.
Why are these idiotic ideas/excuses only accepted in I/P conflict ? Why we cant read similar things in other conflicts ?
Damn, and Israel has allready recognized Palestinian people. And all the fuzz about talking about peace with invented people. Well well....
You Americans really badly need educated leaders. Maybe next round ?
Gellian :
Irrespective of what Israel does ? Stealing land, dropping bombs, shooting civilians, but you cant throw a rock back ?
Before you said that irrespective what Israel does.
International law calls it "legal resistance of alien occupation". Wanna join the club ?. And that reaction part we know allready.
Are they standing in the armored vehicle ? Does that vehicle stand even bullets but not stones ? Or is this something else....
Been in quite similar situation myself. And we didnt shoot anyone. Stones cant pierce armour. Just a little hint. If you didnt know. No you do.
But i guess that explanation number 2 enters arena pretty soon.
hoph :
I'm in Europe, and cant see it anywhere. Could someone plz point that place.
I have waited that a long time. And still waiting. Like a rest of us in here.
Take a look yourstruly, how things start to be similar :
Right-wing group mapping Jerusalem businesses that employ Arabs
Meir Ettinger, 19, a resident of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar and grandson of late Rabbi Kahane, says goal of Hebrew Labor project is 'to warn the public' against buying from businesses that employ Arabs.
Rest of article :
link to haaretz.com
Archaeologists criticize new bill for 'politicizing' Israel Antiquities Authority
Sole vote against bill comes from MK Dov Khenin (Hadash), who charged that the bill's 'true purpose' was to make it easier to add a political appointee to the post.
The Knesset passed a bill in first reading on wednesday that would abolish a rule requiring the chairman of the Israel Antiquities Authority to be a member of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities.
The bill, which will now go to committee for further discussion, passed by a vote of 30-1. The sole vote against the bill came from MK Dov Khenin (Hadash ), who charged that the bill's "true purpose" was to make it easier to add a political appointee to the post.
"The cat has been let out of the bag, to the degree that it was ever in the bag," he said. "The field of archaeology in Israel is a sensitive field, and it is exposed to a powerful onslaught of partisanship and politicization. Instead of doing proper professional work, archaeologists are forced to prove political theses that prove that we were here, or that we were here first, or all kinds of political theses that can obviously be debated in the political arena, but to which archaeological science shouldn't be subordinated."
Culture Minister Limor Livnat, however, denied that the law was intended to enable political appointments.
The bill says that the authority chairman need not be a member of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities; he must merely be "a senior scientist in the field of history or archaeology." However, the appointment must be made "after consulting with the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities."
The explanatory notes to the bill say that the current law forces the minister to choose the chairman from among a very limited group of candidates, while in practice, there are many suitable candidates who are not members of the Israel Academy.
But senior archaeologists claim the bill's real purpose is to prevent the appointment of archaeologists identified with the left.
In July, the heads of four university archaeology departments sent a letter urging Livnat to withdraw the bill. One of the signatories, Prof. Zeev Weiss of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, told Haaretz that the new law "could undermine archaeology's academic freedom and its ability to operate free of political influence." While he assumed a worthy candidate would be appointed this time, he said, "It could degenerate into people with a political agenda being chosen because of their agenda."
Another archaeologist from a different university termed the bill "inappropriate," saying, "We're getting close to being a Third World country. This really depresses me. I have no doubt the issue is political."
In addition to Weiss, the July letter was signed by Prof. Oded Lipschits of Tel Aviv University, Dr. Haim Goldfus of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev and Prof. Arthur Segal of Haifa University.
link to haaretz.com
OT, but beautiful video from ISS by NASA.
link to vimeo.com
Memory fails big time someone else here. IDF give warnings yes, told areas that would be "safe", and then started to bombard those "safe" areas. Just like a Lebanon conflict 2006, IDF told "safe passage routes" away from south-lebanon, and then started to shoot vehicles that were using those routes. Nothing new to me, i have seen same pattern before with my own eyes.
Lovely eee, just lovely. So how many Israel arabs have you helped to have high paying jobs in Israel ? Or is it again ethnic case in here....
Did someone claim that zionists are only evil in the world ?
Fine letter by all means. Just a one little thing, Swedish PM now is Mr. Fredrik Reinfeldt.
Won first war of land grab.
Lovely, now show these documents from IDF archive.
Sometimes effect from a good act takes time. Money is irrelevant in here. This has much more higher aims than just how much money was spent. Apartheid in SA didnt collapse over one night etc.
Looks that money is more important to you that human rights over all. So no surprise from that to us.
Godspeed to you Mazin !
Ooops : Palmer Report Did Not Find Gaza Blockade Legal, Despite Media Headlines
The media has gone crazy these past couple of days announcing that the UN-appointed panel of inquiry into the flotilla raid last summer, known as the Palmer Commission, found that the Israeli imposed blockade on Gaza is legal and that Israel used excessive force during the raid.
From the Jerusalem Post to the BBC, headlines scream that Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip is legal. This is not only completely false, it distracts from the main point of the inquiry which was to determine if excessive use of force was used by Israeli forces during the raid on the flotilla in international waters and how to avoid a similar incident like this from happening again.
The contents of the Palmer Report were made public Thursday by the New York Times. The report itself, which was completed last February, was being delayed at the UN while Turkey and Israel negotiated over language and played behind-the-scenes politics.
Sadly, the report does not spend a lot of time on the victims or accountability for the wrong-doing, although it states,
“Forensic evidence showing that most of the deceased were shot multiple times, including in the back, or at close range has not been adequately accounted for in the material presented by Israel.”
And critically notes that Israel’s treatment of the passengers, “included physical mistreatment, harassment and intimidation, unjustified confiscation of belongings and the denial of timely consular assistance,” while acknowledging that once the commandos were on board, they faced violent resistance and felt forced to defend themselves.
The report also found the naval blockade of Gaza by Israel legal.
As the occupying power over the Gaza Strip, Israel has the right to determine where and how goods and people should enter the territory it occupies so the maritime blockade as a tactic is legal. The report did not make a ruling on the entire closure regime or blockade on the Gaza strip.
The Palmer report’s finding that the naval blockade is lawful should NOT be interpreted to mean that the entire closure regime imposed by Israel on the Gaza Strip is legal. An excellent analysis of this can be found on the ‘Gisha - Legal Center for Freedom of Movement’ website.
Gisha even goes one step farther to argue that the maritime blockade should actually be found to be illegal. In a Q&A they put together, they argue that when taken into context with the full blockade on Gaza and Israel’s failure to adhere to international law and legal obligations as an occupying power – then the maritime closure is actually illegal:
“By preventing the passage of civilians and goods of a civilian nature to and from the Gaza Strip, Israel has paralyzed the economy of the area and caused substantial damage to key aspects of civilian life. In so doing, it has violated its obligations under international law, rendering its policy of closure – including the maritime closure – unlawful.”
Amnesty also believes the entire closure regime (blockade) on Gaza is illegal. It is a form of collective punishment which breaches international law. Amnesty pointed out in a public statement released Friday, that the best way to avoid similar incidents like this one in the future is for Israel to fully and immediately lift the blockade imposed on Gaza since June 2007, and allow Gazans to rebuild the homes, schools, clinics and infrastructure destroyed by the Israeli military.
Update: Gisha, the Legal Center on Freedom of Movement, a highly respected Israeli organization that concentrates much of its work on the Gaza Strip, just issued a short, concise statement called ‘Myths and Facts on the Palmer Report‘. This document clarifies many of the misconceptions about the Palmer Report created by confusing media reports and misconceptions about the Israeli imposed closure regime on the Gaza Strip.
link to blog.amnestyusa.org
link to gazagateway.org
Zionist program has been in use over an hundred year now. And it fits nicely to what Charon said. We are waiting anxiously that Israel starts to act other way. So far no signs of progress in that field.
You can at any time dimadok proof that human side of zionism....
Citizen :
Yup ---> Israel to speed up settler homes after Unesco vote
Israel says it will speed up Jewish settlement construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem - and temporarily freeze the transfer of funds to the Palestinian Authority.
link to bbc.co.uk
link to guardian.co.uk
And aftermath from Unesco vote was also --->
Palestinians hit by cyber-attack following success at Unesco
Computer experts are trying to identify who was responsible, as authority considers applications to other global bodies
Internet services in the West Bank and Gaza have come under "sustained attack" by unknown hackers in multiple locations, according to officials.
"There has been a sustained attack since the morning from many sources in many countries," said Palestinian Authority spokesman Ghassan Khatib. "It is deliberate and continuous."
link to guardian.co.uk
Do you think that racial discrimination started in SA 1948 ?
link to en.wikipedia.org