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  • Thousands in Ramallah mourn Ali Mahmoud Safi, 20, killed by Israeli soldiers while protesting
    • Hadn't seen it, Annie, thanks and it was all over the news today. Nasralah asks how in the future could Abbas complain about Israel's bombing of Palestinian territories when he himself wnt along with the bombing of Yemen. The Zionists are deeper under the skin of some Arabs than is obvious.

    • A story that promises to have negative repurcussions on the tens of thousands of Lebanese working in the Gulf. Nasrallah lets loose on Saudi Arabia:

      "Nasrallah Slams Saudi over Yemen Op, Says It Did Nothing for Arabs Other than 'Sending Daesh'
      by Naharnet Newsdesk 27 March 2015'

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    • This is awful, just.

    • Taking a page out of Israel's SOP on Gaza, for the past 4 days the Arab League's coalition comprised mostly of Saudi forces has been pounding refugee camps, schools, grains silos and other civilian targets in Sanaa. Never ceases to amaze how the AL can whip up a military coalition in no time to hit on a fellow Arab member state while never being able to do anything about Israel's pounding of Gaza. It seems that Hamas has joined Abbas in approving the bombing of Sanaa and Egyptian ships are shelling Aden. Now a senior advisor to Abbas is saying that Arab states should hit Gaza. From EI a couple of days back:

      "Arab states should “strike” Gaza like Yemen, says advisor to Mahmoud Abbas

      Submitted by Ali Abunimah on Fri, 03/27/2015 - 21:26

      PA Chief Islamic Justice Mahmoud al-Habbash, who has called for Arab states to “strike” Gaza.
      A senior Palestinian Authority official has called on Arab states to “strike” Gaza, following the example of the Saudi-led bombing raids on Yemen.

      Arab states have a duty to “strike those who have violated legitimacy with an iron fist, regardless of the place, time or circumstances, beginning with Palestine,” said Mahmoud al-Habbash, religious affairs advisor to PA leader Mahmoud Abbas.

      “What happened in Gaza was a coup, not a division, and it must be addressed with firmness,” added Al-Habbash, who is also the PA’s chief Islamic justice. “There can be no dialogue with coup-makers; they must be hit with an iron fist.”

      Al-Habbash made his comments, which were reported by the official Palestinian news agency, in a Friday sermon at the mosque in the PA’s Ramallah headquarters.

      Officials of Abbas’ Ramallah-based, Western-supported PA regularly accuse Hamas of carrying out a “coup” when it took over the interior of the Gaza Strip in 2007.

      This is a reversal of the well-documented reality that Hamas was acting against a coup attempt by forces loyal to Abbas, after Hamas won legislative elections the previous year.

      The coup, which was supported at the highest levels of the US government, succeeded in the West Bank, where Abbas consolidated his Israeli-backed control.

      Meanwhile, the democratically elected Hamas-led government was isolated and besieged in Gaza.

      Civilians killed in Yemen

      Al-Habbash praised the Saudi-led air strikes on the Yemeni capital Sanaa that began Thursday, saying that they would “save” the country and prevent its “disintegration.”

      According to Amnesty International, six children were among dozens of civilians killed in bombing raids by aircraft from a Saudi-led coalition of Gulf states and Jordan.

      Saudi Arabia says the attacks are intended to drive back the Houthis, predominantly Shia rebels who advanced on Sanaa in recent weeks effectively deposing Abed Rabbu Mansour Hadi, the US- and Saudi-backed president.

      Mahmoud Abbas has given his strong backing to the attacks on Yemen.

      The Saudi government typically views citizens of Arab countries who are adherents to the Shia branch of Islam as aliens, agents or proxies of Iran.

      Saudi media claim that the (Shia)Houthi advance is part of an Iranian effort to gain a foothold on the Arabian peninsula.

      In 2011, Saudi Arabia sent forces to help crush a popular uprising in Bahrain, which the government and its supporters claimed was instigated by Iran.

      In his sermon, the PA’s al-Habbash said that Arab states needed to intervene more heavily across the region.

      “There are many other cases that should be treated like Yemen,” he said.

      Perpetuating Gaza’s suffering

      Al-Habbash’s statement “is really frustrating to hear,” Dr. Ramy Abdu, chairperson of the independent group Euro-Mid Observer for Human Rights (, told The Electronic Intifada from Gaza City.

      “I believe that al-Habbash is part of a group that tries to perpetuate Gaza’s suffering and which have no problem letting fellow Palestinians suffer for their own benefit,” Abdu added.

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  • CUFI Leader John Hagee confirms Christian Zionism is anti-Semitic
    • "I am a Catholic ( non practicing ) and was taught that we are the chosen people and “anyone ” who is not one of us on “the last day”, will go (or is that can go) to hell. "

      Both concepts were borrowed from the Jews. The Vatican now says that all the people on Earth are God's Chosen. No more favourites.

    • "It is more like the Christian Zionism within the English church that supported the Balfour Declaration. " David Gerald Fincham

      David, Christian Zionism under a different label such as "millenarism" existed there from days of Puritanism and long before Bafour was born. It fizzled out but in 1799 it resurfaced and became a potent force by 1840 when with Antony Ashly Cooper, it was believed that the Jews were ready to return to Palestine, to kick off the second coming. That same year, there was the false story circulated in Damascus to discredit the Jews about the blood of a Christian priest, Father Thomas, used in Passover rituals.

    • "Christianity does not regard Judaism as a false religion: the Jewish Bible is incorporated into the Christian Bible. "

      Gerald, sorry, I didn't mean it as an insult. Nonetheless both old and new Testaments were forbidden to Catholics and only the clergy allowed to read them for around 1000 years. The Protestant William Tyndale was strangled and his body burned at the stake in 1536 for having translated the Bible into English, which a few years later was developed into the accepted KJV. but The Jewish Bible was not incorporated into the Christian Bible but the Christian Bible became an offshoot of the Jewish one.

      BTW, Melchizedek, the first priest, is mentioned in the Catholics' Mass at the end.

    • David, every religion believes it's the one and only special in the eyes of God. It began with the Jews, then with the Christians that believe the Jews screwed up in not recognizing Jesus as the awaited Jewish Messiah, and the Moslems that believe that both Jews and Chritians screwed up in not accepting Islam as the one and only true religion. They're all nuts.

    • "Muslims do believe in Jesus." (Just)

      They not ony believe in him, but also say that he will be their ultimate savior in the final big battle against the bad-guy nations of Gog and Magog (Ya'juj and Ma'jouz in Arabic, Mooser should have fun with that one).

    • "They support Israel because their belief system predicts a cataclysmic war in M/E at Armageddon "

      Although the Book says the massing of the armies of good and those of evil took would take place at Armageddon, the actual battle would be taking place 130km to the south just outside of Jerusalem at the Valley of Kidron. The armies of the good would be led by Jesus and the Moslem Mahdi, (so say the Moslems but under the supreme command of Jesus). I was always intrigued why both armies wouldn't actually fight then and there but perhaps they'd need to have Jesus leading them and for that, they's need to go to Jerusalem.

      It's somewhat just as odd as the story of Little Red Riding Hood that the wolf met in the woods but still went through the hassle at the grandmother's house when he could have eaten Red Riding Hood there at their first encounter.

      Too much religion is a dangerous thing.

  • [1]-[2]-[6]-[20]: A regional strategy for sustainable peace for Israel/Palestine
    • "We are on a collision course,” said the European diplomat. “It’s clear to everyone in Brussels that there must be a response to these statements.” -

      A smoke screen, Amigo, the Europeans view the plight of the Palestinians with the same sincerity as the Arabs; they would want to see the negotiations go on for ever and ever and ever as while they are on, they can continue keeping their heads in the sand and not have to face the music. As to the EU stance on the 67 armistice line, it borders on the ridiculous since the Palestinians themselves have conceded that they are willing to consider land swaps beyond the 67 lines. With Abbas' continued overholding of his post with everybody's blessings, it's a foregone conclusion that it's only a matter of time before negotiations are back on, only this time they will be about the Jordan Valley since the other issues are already in Israel's bag. And the pizza gets even more smaller and will continue so until it's all gone.

  • On Netanyahu's apology to Palestinian citizens of Israel
    • “strongly pro lukud Arabs”

      Abu Malia, you probaby haven't encountered the term "Arab Zionists". It's a movement that's been around since the 1920s and still active today. These are working behind the scenes at helping Israel reach its objectives as they agree with them. One of them was the Hashemite King Faisal and his aborted deal to give the whole of Palestine to the Zionists in exchange for some of their technical and political backing and was very much at ease with the Balfour Declaration. From Wiki:

      "... On March 23, 1918, Al Qibla, the daily newspaper of Mecca, printed the following words in support of the Balfour Declaration of 1917:

      "The resources of the country [Palestine] are still virgin soil and will be developed by the Jewish immigrants (...) we have seen the Jews from foreign countries streaming to Palestine from Russia, Germany, Austria, Spain, and America. The cause of causes could not escape those who had a gift of deeper insight. They knew that the country was for its original sons [abna'ihi-l-asliyin], for all their differences, a sacred and beloved homeland. The return of these exiles [jaliya] to their homeland will prove materially and spiritually an experimental school for their brethren who are with them in the fields, factories, trades and all things connected to the land."[18]

      On 3 January 1919, Hussein's son, king Faisal I of Iraq and Dr. Chaim Weizmann, President of the World Zionist Organization signed the Faisal–Weizmann Agreement for Arab-Jewish cooperation, in which Faisal conditionally accepted the Balfour Declaration based on the fulfillment of British wartime promises of development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine and on which subject he stated:

      We Arabs... look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organisation to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home... I look forward, and my people with me look forward, to a future in which we will help you and you will help us, so that the countries in which we are mutually interested may once again take their places in the community of the civilised peoples of the world.[19][20][21]

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  • Israel spying scandal comes to light one week before Iran negotiation deadline
    • Astonishing, Citizen, is the spontaneity by which the Arab League mobilizes a coalition of member states to assault a fellow member state. Saw it done to Saddam, to Gaddafi, to Assad and now to the Shia resistance in Yemen. But it will have nothing to do with the uprising in Bahrain or with Israel's repeated assaults on the Palestinians.

      From CNN, that for the last month has been coming to Iran's defense:

      "(CNN)—Saudi and allied warplanes struck rebels in Yemen on Thursday, with Saudi Arabia threatening to send ground troops and inserting itself into its southern neighbor's civil war, potentially opening up a broader sectarian conflict in the Middle East.

      The swift and sudden action involved 100 Saudi jets, 30 from the United Arab Emirates, 15 each from Kuwait and Bahrain, 10 from Qatar, and a handful from Jordan, Morocco and Sudan, plus naval help from Pakistan and Egypt, according to a Saudi adviser.

      The Egyptian state news agency on Thursday quoted Egypt's Foreign Ministry as saying Egypt's support also could involve ground forces.

      What do those countries have in common? They're all predominantly Sunni Muslim -- in contrast to the Houthi rebels, Shiite Muslims who have taken over Yemen's capital of Sanaa and on Wednesday captured parts of its second-largest city, Aden. The Saudis consider the Houthis proxies for the Shiite government of Iran and fear another Shiite-dominated state in the region.

      "What they do not want is an Iranian-run state on their southern border," CNN military analyst Lt. Col. Rick Francona said of the Saudis... "

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    • With less than a week before the March 31 deadline to finalize the outlines of a nuclear deal, Israel's other pals the axis of anti-Shia states decided to bomb Iran's pals in Yemen. This will surely get the Iranians' back up, which is probably why the attacks on Yemen came at this critical time in US-Iran negotiations, most probably to get Iran to do something rash and trigger an American reaction that would end the talks.

  • Joint List to lead mass march on Jerusalem, as Netanyahu forms a gov't
    • echinoccus, (had to look up what that means), please don't hate disagreeing with me, I'm flattered when someone does because it gives rise to a discussion. I was not saying that the "List" was comprised of collaborators, but saying that their joining forces with Herzog that' vowed to keep all of Jerusalem and all of the settlements would be akin to collaborating. There's really no difference between Herzog and Netanyahu other than Herzog's use of lots of vaseline. Zionists are sharp in enacting laws to shut people up or out and I suspect it won't be long we'll be seeing one such law to tie up the List somehow. Hope I'm proven wrong.

    • "So, the Bedouins residing in Israel do not have the right to vote. (Bubba)

      Yes they do, Bubba, but only in national elections since they live in unrecognized villages and cannot vote in municipal elections. But that's about all they get, a vote and nothing else; no water, no electricity, no paved roads, no postal service, no schools, no medical clinics. No, no ,no to everything except to vote in national elections. Big deal.

    • "Since election day last Tuesday Reut Mor, a spokesperson for Joint List head Ayman Odeh told me her candidate has been in daily contact with Zionist Camp head Issac Herzog. Mor said there is no specific agenda, but the two are forging a relationship. (Allison)

      From what I've just read about Herzog's party agenda by Henry Norr on the other Herzog thread, that relationship would be absolutely wrong and somewhat akin to the ongoing collaboration between the PA and the Israeli regime.

    • "Not a darn thing they can do about it either."

      Highly doubtful, ritzl, as to the government itself, but I'd expect a counter-march by the ultras, those comprised of settler groups that keep gate-crashing the al-Aqsa compound, to meet the Bedouins' march head-on, which would trigger Israeli military and police involvement to side with the bad guys and as abc said with the cameras rolling, it would give great press and exposure to the plight of the Bedouins. Remember how the Zionists with the help of the French JDL sabotaged the massive Gaza peace marchers' event in Paris last July?

  • Why did Herzog run scared? He fears the Israeli people
    • Here it's not used as an adjective or an adverb where it would have had to agree with the feminine "la vie" . The agreement is with the pronoun in the sentence, which is "c'est" as ce/c'est are masculine, making it necessarily "beau". You'd say une belle vie or la vie est belle.

    • "I see skies of blue, and clouds of white, The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night And I think to myself What a wonderful world. - "

      Nice song; you'd surely like the French equivalent sung by the late great Jean Tennenbaum (Jean Ferrat) 4 years earlier than Louis Armstrong.

      C'est Beau La Vie

      Le vent dans tes cheveux blonds
      Le soleil l'horizon
      Quelques mots d'une chanson
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      Un oiseau qui fait la roue
      Sur un arbre deja roux
      Et son cri par-dessus tout
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      Tout ce qui tremble et palpite
      Tout ce qui lutte et se bat
      Tout ce que j'ai cru trop vite
      A jamais perdu pour moi
      Pouvoir encore regarder
      Pouvoir encore écouter
      Et surtout pouvoir chanter
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      Le jazz ouvert dans la nuit
      Sa trompette qui nous suit
      Dans une rue de Paris
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      La rouge fleur éclate
      D'un non qui fait trembler
      Nos deux ombres tonnes
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      Tout ce que j'ai failli perdre
      Tout ce qui m'est redonné
      Aujourd'hui me monte aux lèvres
      En cette fin de journée
      Pouvoir encore partager
      Ma jeunesse, mes idées
      Avec l'amour retrouvé
      Que c'est beau, c'est beau la vie
      Pouvoir encore te parler
      Pouvoir encore t'embrasser
      Te le dire et le chanter
      Oui c'est beau, c'est beau la vie

    • "On the terms Sephardic and Mizrahi we may need to call on our trusty friends here at Mondo. "

      Since the knowledgeable ones won't answer you, abc, I'll take a crack at it. Sephardic and Mizrahi have the same Palestinian roots with one group dispersed over the Iberian peninsula as you said, and the other over the various Arab countries and Iran during the Babylonian Captivity. You could say they are the authentic Jews while the others are comparatively new converts from the lands of the Khazars. In time, similarities between the Iberian Sephardi and the oriental Mizrahi drifted apart with the Sephardi adopting European manners and dress not distinguishable from other Europeans and contrary to other Jews, they blended fully within their environment. In France, they had converted to Christianity but secretely maintained their Jewish faith. They were super sharp traders and negotiators that helped develop French Atlantic ports and finally in the 18th century, they were recognized as Jews. the success of the Sephardic Jews also helped in the development of seaports in England, Holland and the American colonies. Sephardic Jews were sort of the elite of the Jews, tracing their noble roots to the House of Judah.

      The successes of the Sephardi placed them far apart from their co-religionists to the point where they held the German Jews in contempt. They refused to attend non-Sephardic synagogues, were neatly and elegantly dressed, and were cleanly shaven. Portugese Jews were elected to the Estates General in 1789 and a Sephardic Jew that married a German Jew became an outcast.

      On the other hand, German Jews led miserable lives, were subjected to various abusive taxes, and were involved mostly in small businesses such as street vendors or door to door salespeople, second hand trading, and making small loans. they were taken out of the cellar after the French Revolution after they accepted to be emancipated.

    • Seafoid, Haaretz calls it the Jewish tragedy but it's more of a continuation of violent Jewish Biblical history in the same vein that ISIS aspires to take us back to their perception of the days of Quranic purity. I keep seeing Israel referred to as being part of the West, as in your Haaretz article, but actually it isn't any less atavistic than its other neighbours; it simply dresses better.

  • Bill Maher justifies Netanyahu's racism by saying U.S. has done much worse
    • Michael Moore is defending Maher for the sake of defending him. All the arguments he brings in Maher's defense don't apply because Moore is taking it for granted that Maher is only criticizing bad Moslems. He's not, he's criticizing Moslems, period. Moore is being deliberately stupid here.

    • "He (Phil Donohue) however, never sold his soul." (Just)

      It also happened in Arabic broadcasting (a rarity) about 4 years ago when the network's most senior journalist walked away from an 18-year career because he refused to abide by Jazeera's marching orders on Syria. Ghassan Bin Jiddo, a staunch Arab nationalist especially on Palestine and a Tunisian Sunni with a Catholic mother and married to a Lebanese Shia; he had started with the network when it first opened as BBC-Arabic. He refused to doctor news reports on the Syrian conflict in 2011 and he along with 5 other journalists and technicians quit their very high paying jobs. A couple of years later, Bin Jiddo opened the al-Mayadeen cable news station in Beirut through public subscriptions.

  • Zochrot and BADIL bring Nakba to U.S. audience
    • "Never mind, I hereby present an apology to Germany on behalf of my grandparents, they doubtlessly deserved what happened to them." (Catalan)

      Don't get too dramatic, Catalan, the war that was declared was an economic war on Nazi businesses.

    • “The greatest fear of Israeli Jews is the fear to die,” (Sbaih)

      That's what Israelis are all about, another name would be "cowards", which makes their Samson Option superfluous.

      As to the "Adolf" name becoming the second most popular name, it's one of the most absurd stories I've heard from Zionists.

  • 'Do US Jews need a Jewish state for our safety?' debate begins in wake of Netanyahu victory
    • "But in my view, it is PTSD that is decisive in keeping Israelis from looking at their actual situation: a tiny minority in a world surrounded by Arab and Muslim states whose power will only grow in the coming decades and whose anger at Israel grows in intensity as they watch the state that claims to be the representative of the Jewish people act in horrendous and cruel ways toward Palestinians." (Lerner)

      JLD, there's a bit of wishful thinking on the part of Lerner about Arab anger towards Israel growing in intensity, most probably to dovetail with Israeli paranoia. In actuality, over the past 20 years, anger towards Israel has diminished gradually in mostly all Arab states except for a few such as Iraq, Sudan Libya and Syria that are being broken up into insignificant pieces and whose leaders were either liquidated or are in the process of being so. There is no such anger being manifested in North Africa or in the Gulf states. but rather a semi-covert effort toward normalization with Israel.

  • White House said to be reconsidering policy towards Israel following Netanyahu victory
    • Kay, the way this man has been treating his President, it makes you wonder about all those allegations of his prisoner-of-war days in Hanoi. Until now, I believed they were far fetched but with his conduct, I'm starting to wonder.

      From anti (where's American these days?)

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    • I saw that interview, Kay, and he said much worse about Obama. He repeated that if Obama goes over their heads with the Iran deal and eventually takes it to the UN to lift the sanctions, the Congress would vote to stop funding the UN altogether. And other platitudes along the same treasonous lines. A very shameful performance by McCain. She (Erin) asked him if he felt any remorse about the letter he and the others sent to the Ayatollah and he smirkly replied that they had done it in response to Obama threatening to veto further Congressional sanctions, so in fact he laid the blame for the letter on Obama himself. And to think tht this idiot was once in the running to become President.

  • Meet the Knesset members from the Joint List
    • Hundreds of millions were reportedly thrown at Arafat by the Arabs to keep him away from their gates, ritzl, and they gave him Lebanon in 1969 to lord over, to keep him out of their hair. The Lebanese population paid a heavy price for this appeasement.

    • "(Some of my very best ‘venner’ are Norwegian~ it makes great sense that you are of that hardy stock!) (just)

      Who can forget Dr. Mads Gilbert and Dr. Erik Fosse and how much they gave of themselves for Gaza?

    • Thanks for your comprehensive reply, ritzl. You were right about my having sourced Buttu’s and Ghanem’s comments from that article. I didn’t want to come across as believing that the List will fail, I was mostly saying that it had poor chances of winning; I’m actually rooting for it in spite of the odds working against it from within and without. There’s a lot of hand-wrestling going on in the Arab world on how to get over the Palestinian problem and none of the options being considered involve having Palestinians returning to their homeland in substantial numbers. This translates into the million and a half refugees remaining and multiplying forever in squalid camps in the 3 neighbouring host countries, none of which welcome the prospect of this perpetuity, hence the ongoing efforts by the West and its friends in the East to redraw the region’s map to make it happen. In other words, while there’s an ongoing effort to see the birth of a Palestinian state in any shape or form, there’s another ongoing effort to prevent any prospect of the refugees returning to it if it should ever happen. There was a failed attempt to do it in Lebanon in 2006, another in 2011, which is still on progress in Syria and surely Jordan is next on the hit list. The Arabs contributing to the List’s campaign fund isn’t much more than a smoke screen; none of those contributing countries would take in refugees to permanently settle them. I guess I have to accept that the List will be working for the survival of the List itself and will be powerless to do anything to help the WB and Gaza or the refugees.

    • "Is that a rhetorical question, Walid? "

      A bit of the rhetorical, just, and a bit of a statement. I would greatly wish it to be otherwise, but I've had too many deceptions with Israelis and don't believe anything good would ever come out of them voluntarily. I'm against normalization, so that makes me against anything that flows from from it.

    • “A new Joint List MK on Saturday called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to apologize to the Arab community "

      Of what good is an apology if you know in advance that Netanyahu wouldn't be sincere? He's not even sincere to the the partisans that he suckered with his initial statement since now that the elections are over, he's already trying to talk himself away from it. Jabareen should spend his precious time covering his back and those of his list partners because surely Israelis wil be up to something to get them disqualified, just like their attempt at cutting off Zoabi. Was there any party that opposed what was being attempted on Zoabi? Now Jabareen is going to have to be working with some of them. Looks like the Magnificent 13 are also into showbusiness.

    • Lieberman in the news: " The decision on Iranian's nuclear issue is taken in Israel and NOT in the USA" and so many other words which I didn't catch, something to the effect that the US can talk all it wants with Iran, but in the end the decision has to come from Israel.

    • Just, what is the power that will actually be in the hands of these 13 members and what was allowed Hanin Zoabi to accomplish in the Knesset other than getting the Zionist creeps all riled up?

    • Kay, I'm not sure it's that heartening; these people could actually be an answer to Mayhem's question above and with Zionists, others don't get to win anything, ever. As far as I could see, the only truly heartening efforts at getting back their rights were shown by Hamas, eventhough I'm generally averse to religious groupies. All others fall under the categories of collaborators and "normalizers".

    • Ritzl, don't break out the champagne just yet, you may be expecting of them much more than they can actually deliver.

      Diana Butto that knows a thing or two about Israel is concerned that this unity that has been forced on the parties may actually end up causing the disintegration of the separate parties as people that rallied behind it may soon become disllusioned that nothing has changed. Either way, Butto can't accept that a Palestinian political party could work within a Knesset framework that continues with its anti-Palestinian racist policies in Israel, Gaza and the WB.

      Israeli-Palestinian academic and nationalist As'ad Ghanem faults the members on the list for being more preoccupied with getting a Knessest seat than with advancing Palestinian aspirations and also faults them from accepting directives by Palestinian nationalist leaders that encourage them to work within the framework of Zionist legislators that vote for a Zionist leader. Ghanem believes the list of candidate was wrong to accept political Gulf money for their campaigns. Accepting a 2 SS makes them amenable to having Palestinians remain second class citizens in Israel, which goes against the grain of a one state for all. Ghanem also believes list members should have embarked on a program that addresses the 48 Nakba and the 67 occupation and not merely concentrating on winning a Knesset seat.

    • "Herzog also said that, “Judaism always knew to respect foreigners and those who are different, and in his harsh words against one-fifth of Israeli citizens he has harmed Jewish ethics and continued to tear and dismantle the human mosaic that makes up Israeli society,”

      What a load of BS. This a-hole would have you believe that Jewish ethics apply also to those non-Jews inside Israel proper but he wouldn't think twice about the 40 or so laws that discriminate against Palestinian-Israelis. What about Israel's treatment of Africans or of the non-Jews of Gaza and the WB? The guy's a worse snake than Netanyahu.

    • Lieberman's a schmuck, in the Yiddish literal sense.

    • I agree with Stephen, it shouldn't be called the "Arab List" because that doesn't make it very welcoming, since it goes against the vocation of the group that includes a Jew. Also the name of its leader shouldn't be mangled as in the photo above, " Uda" or 'Odeh", but written according to how it's pronounced, which is "Oudah" meaning the verb "return", as in the Palestinians' cherished RoR.

  • Netanyahu's victory ‐ what is the cost?
    • Bornajoo, if you're fascinated by what Pappé is saying today, look up the story of the 1948 Israeli massacre at Tantura and how it affected him. That story and Pappé's endorsement of the academic boycott of Israeli institutions cost him his job at the University of Haifa and his exile to the UK. A truly fascinating man.

  • An American translation of Netanyahu's racist get out the vote speech
    • Great summary, Ageel, it puts into perspective the shared values that Israelis and some Americans keep bragging about.

    • Just, Woodruff was my favourite from the days she was a reporter on the MacNeil-Lehrer Report, followed by the late Barbara Frum, that you probably never heard of. She was a super great journalist and the mother of the Zio-creep David Frum that coined the "Axi of Evil" for Bush' use.

    • Very very sick, seafoid. Been that way from the start.

    • "Israel is a very sick puppy."

      You're being too kind, seafoid, I see Israel more of a boa constrictor queezing the life out of anything that's Palestinian. When Israel talks about shared values with the US, it's in fact making the US into an accomplice to its evil. Canadians should be grateful that Israel hasn't started saying that it also shares its values with Canada.

  • Netanyahu's honesty towards Palestinians casts unwelcome light on American Jewish leadership
    • To take a small break from news about Israel and its prime scumbag that everyone is enjoying wallowing in here, a refreshing short video of President Obama's encouraging Nowruz best wishes to the Iranian people and their leaders; most probably also intended to American Jews:

  • Netanyahu's victory marks the end of the two-state solution
    • "Things can change, and they change rapidly sometimes. I think that this is one of those times! " (Just)

      yes, just, even here; it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't permitted to mention anything about the Zionist declaration of economic war on Nazi Germany of March 15, 1933, which in turn triggered the German reprisal boycott of the Jews' businesses on Apri 1, 1933. It's the old story of the chicken or the egg. Same with discussions on Kastner. A refreshing change.

    • Piotr, Israel's popularity in Europe is actually of of no importance as far as the Mideast conflicts are concerned since it is subservient to the US on anything to do with it. There is no such thing as an independent European foreign policy on Israel/Palestine and it follows orders imposed on it by the US. Don't think for a minute that last year's Fabius outburst hindering the talks with Iran were done without US approval or instigation. And remember how Victoria Nuland reacted with her "Fuck the EU" remark last year.The EU doesn't dare pee before getting prior US clearance.

    • Everybody is making a big thing out of Netanyahu's "no Palestinian state" statement. He's almost patched up that one already with all kinds of explanations, so it's a waste of effort to keep harping on it.

      What is most nauseating about this whole episode is how the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and a dozen or so other countries keep repeating time after time how their relationship is so close to the shitty little state. Among the worst is the UK PM that's now threatening to recognize Palestine unless Netanyahu backtracks on his statement. It's always about Israel and never really about the Palestinians, just like at MW.

  • Landmark New York Synagogue attempts to shut down Nakba discussion
    • Mooser, I suspect that this was the cause of the fire, if a timer was used at all but from the NYT article, it seemed to say that the food warmer had been simply left on all these hours, probably from the start of Shabbat.
      As to my smart friend, he began by boasting how the timer got his roastbeef cooked but when I asked what kind of timer he had to turn on the 220 oven, he said the roast is pre-cooked and the timer was used on the warmer only.

    • An Orthodox Jewish friend once showed me his house and how he had it all on about 5 or 6 separate timers, one of which was to turn on and off the lights throughout the house and outside, to turn on the food warmer for dinner, and one that turned the TV on and off. The restriction did not affect him and he said that this was very legitimate as mostly everyone on his street was also doing it.

      The NYT article said that the Sassoon family left their hot plate on, which I'm assuming was all night Friday to ensure the kids had warm food on Saturday.

    • You should hear the general Pakistani population reciting the prayers; just like in the days of the pre-1966 Catholic mass when nobody understood a word of Latin. There's a rule that says that the Quran unless read or recited in Arabic doesn't count for much. Go figure. More important to use the proper language than to understand what is being said.

    • Very sad for the 7 children, first reports yesterday were saying it may have had something to do with electric food warmer and the Shabbat restriction on using electricity. I'm guessing probably a defective timer.

  • UN backs away from including IDF on list of children’s rights violators after pressure from Israel
    • For those bleeding hearts that may be wondering what became of the trashy magazine, "Charlie Hebdo", the weekly magazine that had been selling 30,000 magazine each week and practicaly begging for donations to stay afloat had seen its circulation jump to 1 million after the January killings. Now sales have been steadily dropping and have reached 250,000 each week but the once broke magazine has new troubles. Since the January killings, it has amassed 30 million euros in its bank account and the surviving staff is claiming this booty should be spread out among the employees. 2 lawyer have been hired by the 11 staff members to sue for what they believe is their fair share.

      Je suis Charlie, what a joke.

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  • New York Times published piece about Netanyahu’s racism, then rewrote all of it
    • CigarGod, I'd have written it as another youth antic, but an irresponsible one nonetheless. I'd be curious to rate it against other fraternity antics. I think in this case, the Zionists jumped on the occasion to make capital out of it and to make noise about it in the press.

    • "The symbol — recognized as an emblem of hate from Nazi Germany "

      Just, I can understand that an older generation of Jews could be seriously traumatized at seeing a swastika, but to pretend an equal suffering at the sight by young kids is showbusiness. Expelling the Jewish kid from the fraternity for it is equally absurd.

  • Palestine, (un)Naturally
    • Yes, Bintbiba, I always read the doctor's great pieces here. That was a nice description of your mother's flowers. I was 8 when I left but I never forgot the smells, both the good and the bad and I could recall them any time especialy the jasmine and the tangerine or the bread bakeries.

    • Bintbiba, many people have written nice pieces about Palestine and in this one about its fauna and flora, but nobody has written about the smell of the land, the dried earth, the smell zaatar, of the olive trees, the orange blossoms, the jasmine bushes and so on. Do you still remember any of those smells from your native Palestine?

  • Who can save Israel now?
    • Best wishes for the new business, Shingo.

    • W.Jones, Israelis really want only one thing from the Palestinians and it's to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Everything else becomes detail. Netanyahu repeated this again tonight. With the recognition in his hand, Netanyahu could begin the systematic eliminating of Palestinians in Israel and it would wipe out the Palestinians' claim of RoR.

    • "I can only hope this marks the end of J Street." (Shingo)

      I agree, I always thought these guys were phony, way from the start.

    • "but they expect everyone to believe he meant it when he said he did support a 2ss."

      I believe it too, Shingo, what would Israel do with all those Palestinians, only Netanyahu's idea of a Palestinian state will probably be something of a joke, something close to what they have made of Gaza.

    • "Phil Weiss’s coverage is breathless teenager, gushing and hoping one moment and now absolutes..." (Yonah)

      Looks like you read a lot of romance novels, Yonah.

    • "Dig deep enough into Canda/Harper and it will make perfect sense. Everything is connected. Everything is hiding in plain sight. "(Pixel)

      No need for deep digging, Pixel, and it's not even hiding in plain sight; it's on like an old flashing red and blue neon sign. Too much religion especially of the messianic kind is also a dangerous thing. Bush too claimed that God told him to attack Afghanistan and Iraq and to create a Palestinian statel his actual words:

      ..."I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq ." And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it."

      Bush fulfilled only 2 of God's 3 orders.

    • “Israel has no greater friend than Canada,” Harper tweeted. "

      "Modi mentioned he recalls “our New York meeting last September warmly.”

      Before Harper, Canada's greatest friend was the US and it was the same for the US that always declrared that Canada was its greatest friend. That was before religion was introduced into the brew. It's looking like Harper is going to be pulling a Netanyahu to stay in power this October, he's trying to disqualify a million ex-pat Canadians from voting as this group generally votes against his party.

      As to Modi, it's understandable, he and Netanyahu share a common aversion to Moslems and Arabs in the same way apartheid South Africa and Israel shared a common aversion to Arabs and black Africans.

  • Netanyahu won. Now what?
    • "we risk having a psychologically dodgy country with over 200 nuclear weapons right there to threaten everyone around them”

      Just, that's what Israelis would want you to go on believing, that with that other boogyman Samson Option.

      It's a forgone conclusion that Israel is a nation of cowards that are in constant fear of getting hurt or getting killed, and for such people, taking their own lives to wipe out their neighbours with their nuclear shit is something Israelis would never do. I'm sure they are not averse to nuclear bombing a distant country with no risk of anything falling back on Israel, but what I'm talking about is the bombing of its neighbours with nuclear warheads.

      Keeping everyone spooked about what they may do is all a game. Keep in mind that these cowards can pick only on women, children and unarmed men.

    • A interesting piece about the mysterious Alawis, seafoid. Their description almost fits to a T that of the other super secretive Ismaili-Shia offshoot, the Druze that originated at just about the same time in the 9th or 10th century. One of the few difference between both groups is in their concept of metempsychosis, which is limited to males only as women's souls don't possess any logic, so their souls don't have the capacity to transmigrate. As with most Shia, their dominant spiritual head is Ali and not Muhammad, hence their Alawite name which means followers of Ali.Their "Alawi" designation resurfaced after 400 years only in 1920 after the fall of the Ottomans as during their reign, it was a pejoratif term to the ruling Sunni.

      Alawis believe their stay on Earth in a human form is due to their having fallen from grace; according to their books, beings were initially luminous bodies living among the stars for centuries during the age of the Great Luminous World but because they did not recognize Ali when he appeared to them in various forms, they were punished by relegating them to the Lesser World in the bodies of humans . This is what brought them to believe in the transmigration of their souls into animals and objects.

    • "At today's State Ptresser..." (Rusty)

      One has to feel sorry for Psaki; she's put into a job where she is supposed to answer joutnalists' questions but is not allowed to and Matt keeps asking questions that he knows all too well that Psaki cannot answer. It's like water torture for Psaki; all she's missing is the harlequin outfit.

  • Israelis go to the polls today--and nobody knows who will win (Updated)
    • "... am going to get أناديكم ..أشد على أياديكم أبوس الأرض تحت نعالكم printed on a t-shirt. "

      It sure would, seafoid, but better still, would be to have it in Hebrew with the word Palestine in it and to wear it in TA.

    • seafoid, Simone Daud wrote that it was blaring on the loudspeakers of Sabra-Shatilla before the Israeli massacres started in 1982 and I heard it myself being played on the giant loudspeakers at Maroun al-Ras on Nakba Day 2011 as the Palestinian kids were getting killed and injured by Israeli snipers because they were hanging Palestinian flags on the fence.The whole ugly scene was triggered when the giant screen at the celebration site put on a live feed taken from Israel's Channel 2 or 10 that showed close-up shots of Israeli soldiers hiding behind sand dunes at the fence and the guy in charge of the sound system put on Unadikum and the people just went wild and started rushing to the fence. That song is electrifying even to a non-Palestinian.

    • Annie's hint:

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum

      wa uhdikum deya ‘ayneyy
      wa dif’el qalbi a‘tikum
      wa uhdikum deya ‘ayneyy
      wa dif’el qalbi a‘tikum
      Fe me’sati’lleti ahya
      Nasibi min ma’sikum

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum
      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum

      Ena ma huntu fi watani
      wa la sagghartu ektafi
      Ena ma huntu fi watani
      wa la sagghartu ektafi

      waqaftu bi wachi’zullamî
      Yetimen ‘ariyen hafi
      waqaftu bi wachi’zullamî
      Yetimen ‘ariyen hafi

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum
      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum
      Hameltu demi ‘ala keffi
      wa ma nakkestu a‘lami
      Hameltu demi ‘ala keffi
      wa ma nakkestu a‘lami

      wa suntu’l‘ushbe’l akhdara
      Fawqa quburi eslafi
      wa suntu’l‘ushbe’l akhdara
      Fawqa quburi eslafi

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum

      ashuddu ‘ala eyadikum
      wa ebussu'l'arda
      tahte ni‘alikum
      wa equlu efdikum


      The poem for Palestine is by Palestinian Tawfiq Zayyad (1929-1994) and made into a Nakba Day song by the Lebanese Ahmad Kaaboor in 1974 : 'I call to you all: I take your hand and hold it tightly. I kiss the ground on which you place your feet. I know that for you I would give my life. My life I would give for you. I offer you the light of my eyes, The fire of my heart: For this pain that I suffer Is only a small part of your pain. I never have sold my country And I have been willing to serve, To face the invader with steadfastness and courage, An orphan willing to die. Carrying my people on my shoulders, You will see my flag raised high, And a mountain clothed in the green of the olive branch For those who will come after. I call to you all!' -

  • Why I hope Netanyahu will be crushed tonight
    • Nobody is saying anything about Lieberman. Where is he in this story?

    • "While the Israel lobby is not all powerful, it is currently the most powerful force and enabler of US policy in the Middle East. " (aiman)

      Aiman, glad to see that you agree about the lobby not being so powerful. I think its main purpose is to act as a clearing house to transfer Jewish donor monies to the elected legislators.

      Bandolero, I appear to have misread the gist of your post, but you're still over-rating Israel's influence in steering American policy.

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