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U.S. ally whose capital has the letters U-S-A in the middle of the name: Abbr. 

Argggg. I can’t even do crossword puzzles without misinformation and propaganda.

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  1. joec
    joec on July 19, 2012, 9:55 pm

    I take it LUN, for Lusaka, Zambia, didn’t fit? #geek

  2. W.Jones
    W.Jones on July 19, 2012, 10:16 pm

    Zambia!

  3. ToivoS
    ToivoS on July 19, 2012, 10:54 pm

    Now that is diabolical. Since the US officially recognizes Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel it can’t be that nation.

  4. ColinWright
    ColinWright on July 20, 2012, 12:09 am

    You’re shitting me.

    I’m reminded of the time I was trying to track down some Palestinian village that had been the location of an airstrip in World War Two.

    I finally found it. Google gave the Biblical Hebrew name of the site, along with the comment that it had been ‘liberated’ in 1948.

    Somehow, I doubt if the residents really enjoyed ‘liberation day’ all that much.

  5. PauldeRooij
    PauldeRooij on July 20, 2012, 9:29 am

    But then Israel isn’t an ally: This is what Ray McGovern had to say about this (19 November 2009):
    … what is generally called “our ally”, the state of Israel. And you probably have heard me say this before, and people are shocked that I would say it, that Israel is not our ally. Go to your dictionary and look up “ally”; ally is someone with whom you have a mutual defense treaty. There is none with Israel, and there is a reason why there is none with Israel. Do you know what the reason is? The Israelis were broached on this after the 1967 war; we said “maybe it would help if we formed an alliance, and then if the Arabs wanted to attack you they would know that they would be attacking us as well”. The Israelis said: well, that is very nice of you, but thanks, but no thanks. Why do you suppose? The reason why is because international treaties require internationally recognized boundaries; the Israelis were not interested in giving up the West Bank… treaties also bind each party to let the other know if they are going to attack another country, and Israel didn’t want to be bound by that either. […] Next time you hear Ileana Ros-Lehtinen or Howard Berman or Steny Hoyer say that we have to automatically protect Israel, our ally, ask them how it is that Israel is our ally any more than Egypt or Syria or even Iran as our ally. None of them are because we have no defense treaty with them.

  6. Fredblogs
    Fredblogs on July 20, 2012, 11:41 am

    Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. That’s a fact. It is a fact that the USA chooses to ignore by having its embassy in Tel Aviv, but it is still a fact.

    • Eva Smagacz
      Eva Smagacz on July 20, 2012, 12:02 pm

      Fred, West Jerusalem can be a capital of Israel. East Jerusalem is not inside of Israel’s internationally recognised borders.

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright on July 20, 2012, 3:19 pm

        As far as I know, neither West Jerusalem nor East Jerusalem is inside Israel.

        There are cease fire lines and things — but aren’t the only legal borders still those set forth in the 1947 Partition scheme? And in that scheme, Jerusalem was to be a ‘free city’ along the lines of Danzig 1919-1939 or Tangiers — at least until the inhabitants voted otherwise.

        When did the UN vote to redraw the partition lines?

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz on July 20, 2012, 5:26 pm

        Colin, I stand corrected. You are absolutely right. I just fell a victim to internalising hasbara.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka on July 20, 2012, 12:29 pm

      “Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. That’s a fact. ”

      Nope. You can say that the city is the seat of government of the zionist entity. That’s a fact. You could also say that it is a fact that the zionists claim that the city is the capital of the zionist entity. That is also a fact.

      But to assert that the city actually is the captial would require it to be a generally accepted thing by the world community. But the international community has not recognized that claim. So the NYT is spreading lies about the zionists. (Big surprise, there.)

      • Fredblogs
        Fredblogs on July 21, 2012, 2:03 am

        If the world says that2+2 is 5 then the world is wrong Jerusalem is within the de facto borders of Israel and the Israelis consider it their capital. If the world said D.C. wasn’t the capital of the USA, then it would remain the capital of te USA. Same for Jerusalem in Israel.

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright on July 22, 2012, 2:59 am

        Fredblogs:

        The weird thing is that if you aren’t attempting to defend Israel, your comments are reasonably intelligent.

        Why do you think that is?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka on July 22, 2012, 5:03 pm

        “If the world says that2+2 is 5 then the world is wrong”

        Only because there is an objective correct answer. With regard to international relations, there is not. This question is based on what the world’s opinion believes. And the world believes that israel has jurisdiction buy not sovereignty over the western part of al-Quds, but neither over the eastern portion.

        “Jerusalem is within the de facto borders of Israel and the Israelis consider it their capital.”

        And that is totally irrelevant to the question of what the world believes. The israels, as I said, can believe whatever they want. Their opinion, however, is not the arbiter of the question; the world’s opinion is.

        And, it is interesting that you bring up “de facto borders of Israel.” The de facto borders of Israel encompass areas where millions of millions of Palestinians live and are not given voting rights in the government which controls their lives and are subject to inhumane treatment by that government based on their ethnicity/nationality.

        My question to you, Fredo, is now that you recognize that israel’s de facto borders encompass all of the area it controls, are you now willing to state that it is a de facto apartheid state?? Or is its de facto existence only relevant when it benefits the Jews of Palestine, and irrelevant when it would benefit the Arabs of Palestine??

      • Fredblogs
        Fredblogs on July 22, 2012, 6:11 pm

        It is not an apartheid state. In an apartheid state, some citizens are denied legal equality on the basis of race. Israel has citizens of every race and all citizens have legal equality, with the exception that the Arabs and ultra-religious Jews aren’t drafted into the IDF like everyone else. Israel also has a population of non-citizens under its control in the West Bank, most of which is not part of the de facto borders of Israel. All of Jerusalem is part of Israel because they annexed East Jerusalem. Some of the surrounding areas are because they are thoroughly settled by Israelis. The rest of the West Bank is not.

        Do you consider every nation that has different rules for citizens and non-citizens (like the USA) an apartheid state? Or just the Jewish ones?

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem on July 23, 2012, 7:55 am

        Fred, why be a token Zionist?

  7. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka on July 22, 2012, 9:57 pm

    LMAO Fredo, you really need to learn the difference between “de facto” and “de jure.” israel’s de facto borders encompass all of the West Bank, Gaza and Arab East Jerusalem. What you are talking about is what israel considers its de jure borders. (They’re not, in reality, as israel has jurisdiction, not sovereignty over the western portion of al Quds, but neither over the eastern portion) It does so, in order to push its vile racist judeofascist ideology, hold millions in a generations-long state of peonage based on their ethnicity, and to provide a cover for saps like you to defend it from obvious apartheid.

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