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Sheldon Adelson and his wife, Miriam Ochsorn, leaving a Mitt Romney speech in Jerusalem on July 29, 2012. (Photo: Charles Dharapak / AP)

The Daily Beast reports on what Sheldon Adelson expects from Mitt Romney in return for the $100 million he plans to dump into the 2012 presidential election:

Casino tycoon Sheldon Adelson, a major contributor to Mitt Romney’s election effort, is pressing the Republican nominee to come out for the release of Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, a major Republican donor and associates of Adelson and Romney tell The Daily Beast. . . .

The issue is apparently one of a handful where Romney differs from Adelson on Israel. The billionaire has also asked Romney to state publicly that Israeli-Palestinian peace talks are a waste of time because the Palestinians are unwilling to make peace, according to the sources—and he wants a firmer commitment from Romney to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, in what would be a de facto recognition of Israel’s annexation of East Jerusalem. For his part, Romney has not said peace talks are a waste of time and has gone only partway on the embassy question, saying he would undertake the move in consultation with the Israeli government—a campaign promise other presidents have made. (Adelson has pressed Romney to pledge to move the embassy without consulting the Israeli government.)

Spokespeople for both men declined to comment on the private talks between Adelson and Romney. Ron Resse, a spokesman for Adelson, was willing to say that the two men were not always on the same page. “People that support candidates are bound to disagree with these candidates on some particular issues,” he told The Daily Beast. But he said Adelson and Romney agree “on most big issues.” Asked what Adelson expected from Romney in return for his support, Reese said the billionaire has no expectations in terms of foreign or domestic policy. “He hopes to be invited to the Chanukah party at the White House,” Reese said.

Funny enough, Adelson told Forbes in February, “I’m against very wealthy people attempting to or influencing elections.” (But his rationale is, if George Soros is going to do it, so will he.)

In other news, Adelson filed a $60 million libel suit against the National Jewish Democratic Council for saying he “condoned prostitution in his Macau casino properties.”

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Adelson at the opening of the Sands Cotai Central in Macau, April, 2012. (Photo: AP/Kin Cheung)

(h/t Matthew Taylor)

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  1. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    August 9, 2012, 9:47 am

    The puppet master pulls the strings and the puppet dances to his tune. A perfect illustration of how money corrupts the democratic and political process. One unhinged billionaire, with the political agenda of a hostile foreign government, calls the shots whilst the voters watch from the sidelines, their opinions and interests of no significance to the political classes, never mind the simple universal principle of human rights. Odious little man.

    • American
      American
      August 9, 2012, 12:09 pm

      “Odious little man.”

      Yea he is isn’t he….this rotten toad with his thumb in US politics.
      I think serious history books about various US politics eras should start including glossy pictures…like the one above of Adelson.
      Couldn’t be a more perfect photo to accurately represent this era of US politics.

    • Abierno
      Abierno
      August 9, 2012, 12:22 pm

      Well said. And, sir, given Mr. Adelson’s pervasive problems in Macau, at what
      level do you estimate his loyalty to China as opposed to the US? Or was this the country to which you referred as a “hostile foreign government” ? or Israel? or
      both?

    • Chu
      Chu
      August 10, 2012, 11:11 am

      And not to be forgotten are the lack of newspaper editorials that should expose this wrench in the works. It seems that corruption gets rubber-stamped when it comes to Israeli development.

  2. Dan Crowther
    Dan Crowther
    August 9, 2012, 10:19 am

    I dont know how to react to all of this Adelson shit. The other day at Tikun Olam, Silverstein linked to a piece in the Israeli press that specfically mentioned “The Protocols” when discussing this clown. And, unfortunately, it was entirely appropriate.

    This guy is a cartoon, and is a clear example of why group/identity politics is so dangerous.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 10, 2012, 11:24 am

      “This guy is a cartoon, and is a clear example of why group/identity politics is so dangerous.”

      But please, go easy on his appearance. I mean, put a pair of palmate antlers on Adelson, and you couldn’t tell us apart.

      • Dan Crowther
        Dan Crowther
        August 10, 2012, 2:42 pm

        You dont think the image of this guy rolling up to a speech on a Rascal is cartoonish? This 80 yr old man with a way younger wife, playing sugar daddy to Mittens is not a cartoon? please

  3. Mndwss
    Mndwss
    August 9, 2012, 10:28 am

    “I’m against very wealthy people attempting to or influencing elections.”

    In the most democratic country in the world (Norway), the workers pay unions who then pay for the campaign of the Labour party. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index )

    Rich people does not like this! (There is just so many people in those evil unions paying, and so few billionaires who want to get rid of their money).

    Political commercials in TV and radio is forbidden.

    Rich people does not like this!

    ALL tax returns is public. (Everyone can see how much their neighbor and the king earns).

    Rich people does not like this!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4318382.stm

    The people like this. And continue to vote for the party that represents them.

    Rich people does not like this!

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 9, 2012, 2:40 pm

      “In the most democratic country in the world (Norway), the workers pay unions who then pay for the campaign of the Labour party. “

      I suppose it’s a free choice. The workers can always quit their job and starve.

      • Mndwss
        Mndwss
        August 9, 2012, 7:31 pm

        Yes it’s a free choice to join a union and pay. Many people do not. (They are not not very popular when there is a strike).

        Workers can always quit their job and live on social security and not starve at all. Most people do not. You can not own very much if you want social security. (You have to sell your house and car, but you will never ever starve or have to live on the street).

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright
        August 10, 2012, 3:51 pm

        “Yes it’s a free choice to join a union and pay. Many people do not. (They are not not very popular when there is a strike).”

        We were speaking of Norway. Is it a free choice in Norway? It isn’t always here.

  4. BillM
    BillM
    August 9, 2012, 10:28 am

    Does Sheldon’s wishlist including giving Israeli officials secret US intelligence so they can use it to manipulate the US? If so, maybe he should stick with Obama:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-57489798-503543/israel-defense-chief-suggests-u.s-has-new-intelligence-bringing-worries-over-iran-in-line-with-israels/

  5. lysias
    lysias
    August 9, 2012, 11:01 am

    I’m sure he would also like to see an Attorney General in office who would drop the Justice Department’s criminal investigation of him for not reporting potentially laundered money.

    Of course, he’s not going to admit that that’s on his wish list.

  6. Krauss
    Krauss
    August 9, 2012, 11:07 am

    The puppet master…

    I’m sorry but I’m offended by that. The notion of a puppet master that I have, anyway, is someone who is subtle, slick and unseen.

    Sheldon is a bumbling fool who keeps stumbling over himself, gets entangled in prostitution scandals, boasts how he will shower everyone with gold and then some, and while in Israel failing to even know the head of the Shalem Center(Daniel Gordis), the same center he more or less created out of his own pocketbook.

    So he doesn’t even know who runs the institutions he founded.

    In some ways, Sheldon is an extremely upbeat story: if he can make it, anyone can!

    In other news, while the nationalist fervor of some Jews continue to be strong, some are still lacking in the whole steal-the-land-and-couch-it-in-Jewish-pride-terms department.

    However, anything can be fixed!

    I introduce to you: the world’s first Zionist credit card:
    http://www.hasadvantage.com/movies.asp?mov=

    Yes; now you can go on a shopping spree at Tiffany’s and show your loyalty to the Jewish people – all at the same time!

    Forward, fellow Zionists, and never doubt the rightousness of our dual cause: endless consumtion/materialism and endless occupation! Cheers!

    (I wish I was joking, but I’m not. The card is actually real).

    • annie
      annie
      August 9, 2012, 11:32 am

      omg, they should call it a hasabaradvantage card

    • chinese box
      chinese box
      August 9, 2012, 11:44 am

      LMAO. Do we need more proof that zionism’s jumped the shark?

    • American
      American
      August 9, 2012, 12:19 pm

      Hmmm…..not a bad idea.
      Maybe someone should approach Visa or Master Card with the idea of a American ethnic or “Patriot” credit card.
      Think of the themes, Patriot, Anarchist,…. I am surprised the political machines don’t already have a Dem card, A Republican card , a Libertarian card….political possibilities are endless…every group and cause has a card these days.

    • marc b.
      marc b.
      August 9, 2012, 2:31 pm

      I’m offended by … blah, blah, blah

      what are you his defense attorney? will you be standing next to ‘poor befuddled sheldon’ as he play acts in his wheelchair at his arraignment, sucking on his prop oxygen tank? and i’m offended at how easily you’re offended. so because he stumbles about in public saying silly things, he isn’t exerting influence behind the scenes? he’s probably like all of the super rich: a f*ckin idiot savant when it comes to making money in his chosen metier, but clueless about anything outside of that world.

      So he doesn’t even know who runs the institutions he founded.

      that’s not a sign of incompetence, or *tee hee*, senility. (garsh, he sure is a lovable old coot, isn’t he? you just want to pinch his rosy cheeks. or what taxi said.) more likely proof that he really doesn’t give a fico seco about what goes on that particular institution.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 10, 2012, 11:30 am

        “what are you his defense attorney?”

        marcb, have you ever heard the expression “damning with faint praise”? I do believe that’s what Krauss is doing. I don’t think he’s praising with faint damns.

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 9, 2012, 2:42 pm

      “I’m sorry but I’m offended by that. The notion of a puppet master that I have, anyway, is someone who is subtle, slick and unseen.

      Sheldon is a bumbling fool who keeps stumbling over himself, gets entangled in prostitution scandals, boasts how he will shower everyone with gold and then some…”

      The sad thing is that both you and ‘justice’ are right: we’ve become so degraded that these days anyone can be a puppet master.

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 9, 2012, 4:18 pm

      I guess not knowing the name of forgettable Daniel Gordis is a credit to Adelson. Likewise, not snooping who does what with whom in the privacy of hotel rooms of his casino.

      Otherwise, not only his views are repulsive, but his bumbling suggests that his mental acuity is not as high as when he made is billions. In this sense, he may be a blessing, a great iconic figure for a lot that is wrong in USA.

  7. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 9, 2012, 11:07 am

    So how much is George Soros giving the Democrats?

    Reminds me of two old plantation owners bidding on a line of slaves.

    Guess Shelly checked out Mitt’s teeth and found some irregularities, but still, Mitt’s mouth was the best of the bunch. Soros does the same with Obama’s mouth.

    Considering the actual ability of the American masses to determine who the candidates will be (on all electoral levels) by their single vote and maybe a few dollars donation, “slave” is not out-of-bounds hyperbole.

    Shelly’s original choice, Newt, was on cspan wj this morning, saying how we Americans really need to defend ourselves from all the threats out in the world. I tweeted in that we already spend on defense more than the next 10 countries spend combined, even though of the 10 only China and Russia are not our tight allies–except with India sorta neutral–tweet never got on the show.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      August 9, 2012, 3:40 pm

      Bingo

      Newt wants people to get out and work for their masters at minimum wage with no health care….and don’t raise taxes on those making millions, billions off of slave labor. Just move along and stop asking questions

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 9, 2012, 4:22 pm

      On military matters, I think that classic Republican solutions would be appropriate. “You cannot solve problems by throwing money at them” and “downsizing and outsourcing”.

  8. Krauss
    Krauss
    August 9, 2012, 11:56 am

    By the way, for more hilarious Adelson antics, read this post:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/for-sheldon-adelson-political-and-jewish-giving-are-all-of-a-piece/

    I hate to admit it, but the more I read about Adelson the more I like him the same way I like an extremely poorly made movie that’s so bad it’s actually funny.
    Example: “Manos: Hands of Fate”.

    Anyhoo, key quote from the article:

    In March at TribeFest, the annual gathering of young adults organized by the Jewish Federations of North America at the Venetian hotel in Las Vegas, Sheldon Adelson walked in on a surrogate debate between Matt Brooks, who directs the Republican Jewish Coalition, and his counterpart at the National Jewish Democratic Council, David A. Harris.

    Adelson, who owns the Venetian, was the first to ask a question. He went on to berate Harris for six minutes, describing President Obama as a “crybaby” who should be in diapers, according to several people in the room, including an organizer.

  9. Taxi
    Taxi
    August 9, 2012, 12:28 pm

    Every time I see a picture of sheldon I just wanna beat the crap outta… outta, outta… my pillow!

  10. gazacalling
    gazacalling
    August 9, 2012, 12:40 pm

    This was a really funny post!

  11. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned
    August 9, 2012, 1:00 pm

    Sheldon Adelson is so right-wing that he has been surprisingly politically ineffective. For example, he give $$ to the ZOA and not AIPAC because AIPAC is not right wing enough for him.

    A number of years ago, Adelson tried to take over the Clark County Commission, which has jurisdiction over the Las Vegas Strip. Adelson ran candidates against the incumbent Commissioners, using the “Committee for Fairness” as his front group. The Committee for Fairness consisted of an Adelson employee and a FAX machine. The politicians targetted by Adelson fought back with TV ads, showing Godzilla stomping over the Tokyo skyline. The TV ads said, “Don’t let Sheldon Adelson do this to Las Vegas!” So Adelson himself became a target. All of his candidates lost. All of them.

    So far, Adelson has backed Newt Gingrich, who lost. Anybody see a pattern here?
    Now he’s backing Mitt Romney. We’ll see!

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 9, 2012, 4:06 pm

      “…So far, Adelson has backed Newt Gingrich, who lost. Anybody see a pattern here?
      Now he’s backing Mitt Romney. We’ll see!”

      Yeah, well…

      It’s a bit like being chased around by a gunman who’s a really lousy shot. Sure, he’ll probably miss — but what if he doesn’t?

      The sooner Sheldon Adelson has definitively crashed and burned, the better, as far as I’m concerned.

  12. biorabbi
    biorabbi
    August 9, 2012, 1:45 pm

    The woman with Sheldon looks like Gloria Steinman. I love the comment that if Sheldon can make it, anyone can. LOL.

    • piotr
      piotr
      August 9, 2012, 4:27 pm

      Miriam is young enough to be his daughter. At least Adelson does not go for chicks that could be his granddaughters. And if you put sufficiently dark glasses on you cannot tell the difference.

      • Nevada Ned
        Nevada Ned
        August 10, 2012, 2:15 am

        piotr, according to this cnn story
        http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/08/miriam-adelson/
        Miriam is younger than Sheldon by only a dozen years. She is a doctor, not a bimbo. And at age 66 or 67, she is not “young enough to be his daughter”.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        August 10, 2012, 2:33 am

        Nevada Ned,
        I’ve met more ‘bimbo’ doctors, of both genders, than I care to count.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      August 10, 2012, 11:34 am

      “I love the comment that if Sheldon can make it, anyone can. LOL.”

      “Biorabbi”, you can’t blame people for trying to denigrate their betters. They will do it.
      Are you a real Rabbi, or just somebody who composts?

  13. Taxi
    Taxi
    August 9, 2012, 2:59 pm

    Where’s the pimpmobile parked at Shelz?

  14. YoungMassJew
    YoungMassJew
    August 9, 2012, 3:07 pm

    “The lies rely on brown bodies to fight for white puppet masters
    I cannot fathom how the caged bird drinks
    Until he thinks he is free
    A critical mass between the heavenly future, and a hell of a past…”
    -Blue Scholars

  15. Denis
    Denis
    August 9, 2012, 6:57 pm

    Oh, boy . . . here’s a surprising twist to the Adelson no-prostitution-in-my-casino SLAPP suit story: Dersowitz comes down on Adelson’s side. Shocked!! OK, Al, whatever you say. No First Amendment issues of importance here, but we notice how your hairy Harvard hand is in Uncle Shel’s pocket again.
    http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2012/08/09/3103471/dershowitz-pus

    But ya’ better watch what ya’ say MW posters – there is a reason Steven Jacobs’ lawsuit referred to Adelson as “notoriously bellicose.” This belligerent donkey’s butt will throw a SLAPP suit at you quicker than Usain Bolt can run the 100m, as shown by this inventory of Adelson’s recent uses of the courts to shut people up. http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/New_York/News/2012/08_-_August/Sheldon_Adelson_and_the_fine_art_of_libel_litigation/

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 10, 2012, 2:50 am

      “…But ya’ better watch what ya’ say MW posters – there is a reason Steven Jacobs’ lawsuit referred to Adelson as “notoriously bellicose.” This belligerent donkey’s butt will throw a SLAPP suit at you quicker than Usain Bolt can run the 100m…”

      The tactic almost surely works. Even when Adelson loses, he wins:

      “…In 2005 he sued Las Vegas newspaper columnist John Smith over his depiction of Adelson in a book called “Sharks in the Desert.” The case was being litigated in state court in Los Angeles but ended up in federal bankruptcy court in Las Vegas after Smith declared bankruptcy, asserting that he could not afford to defend the suit in California. Smith’s publisher, Barricade Books, was also sued for libel and also entered bankruptcy. In 2008 the publisher agreed to a judgment of libeling Adelson, according to a filing by Adelson’s lawyers at Duane Morris and Lavely Singer. Adelson said he was satisfied with the judgment against Barricade and offered to drop the case against Smith, but Smith said he wouldn’t settle unless Adelson paid his defense costs. Over Adelson’s protests, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Bryce Markell eventually entered an order that dismissed the suit against Smith with prejudice and directed Adelson to pay some of Smith’s costs. (Adelson lost his appeal.)…”

      So Barricade is out of business. Smith got some of his court costs covered — but must have found all this quite a distraction for three years of his life.

      First, I bet Smith will think carefully before writing anything mean about Sheldon Adelson again. Second, I’ll guarantee anyone will think twice about publishing it if Smith writes it.

      And how much do you think Adelson thought about this? He read an excerpt, called a lawyer, and — at the outside — paid him a thousandth of his net worth to hound these guys. That’s like one of us laying out a grand. Not chicken feed — but worth it to stifle criticism. Hey — it probably even paid off financially. People are going to be about as eager to look into Sheldon Adelson’s affairs as they would be to dive into the mako shark tank.

  16. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    August 9, 2012, 10:37 pm

    RE: LOWER PHOTO ~ “Adelson at the opening of the Sands Cotai Central in Macau, April, 2012. (Photo: AP/Kin Cheung)”

    MY COMMENT: Looking at the rather pitiful looking Adelson in the bottom most picture from the very gauche/tacky looking opening of the Sands Cotai Central in Macau, I can’t help but wonder where the trademark black leather, right-handed glove is. Perhaps he takes it off when he goes out in public.

    ALSO SEE – “Haaretz: Adelson’s Billions in Service of U.S. War Against Iran”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 8/07/12

    A Haaretz reporter has just published a fascinating theory (and English) in which Bibi Netanyahu, with the connivance of Sheldon Adelson, is provoking not just war with Iran, but a U.S. war with Iran. Sefi Rachlevsky writes that Netanyahu believes that if he attacks Iran a few weeks before the election that Obama will have two choices: either he will join in the attack, in which case both Bibi and Adelson will have gained their supreme objective, the dismantling of the Iranian menace. If Obama refuses and leaves Israel in the lurch, so Rachlevsky’s theory goes, the incumbent president will lose the election to Mitt Romney, who will then be able to finish the job once he assumes the presidency.
    I don’t know if Bibi is stupid and callow enough to believe this. But what is most interesting is the Haaretz reporter’s claim that Adelson is willing to use his billions in service of this grand scheme. The language here is strong, provocative, disturbing, but worth considering seriously:

    We’re not talking about an independent Israeli attack. Precisely the opposite. All of Adelson’s billions are meant for this moment: dragging America into a war to save Israel. Netanyahu succeeded previously in restraining American pressure for peace. But dragging America to war using the methods of Pollard and the Protocols, that’s a different planet altogether.
    …These things must be said clearly. No leadership has the right to send the IDF [to war]–endangering thousands of soldiers and civilians–into a war it [Israel] doesn’t have the ability to win on its own. No one has the right to gamble with Israeli lives. Legetimitately involving the U.S. in war against Iran should only be done by a government following a policy of moderation. A government which failed in this effort would not gamble that it could drag the U.S. into war if it only sacrificed enough Israeli lives in the process.
    …IDF chief Benny Gantz and the army’s leadership are obligated NOT to carry out such an order [to attack Iran]. Giving such an order should be prohibited. It should be prohibited to execute it as well.

    Adelson will spend infinitely, both in order to make Mitt president and to ensure war with Iran. That part of the theory I find much more convincing. I have no doubt that Adelson may believe in this double-edged strategy. If he does and there is an Israeli attack before the election, I’d expect a massive campaign blitz in favor of “helping Israel finish the job.” To Adelson’s mind, he’s performing a double-mitzvah (at least): getting Mitt elected and obliterating Iran as a threat to Israel. Someone having the warped thinking of the casino magnate could easily think this way. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2012/08/07/haaretz-adelsons-billions-in-service-of-u-s-war-against-iran/

  17. Carowhat
    Carowhat
    August 9, 2012, 11:57 pm

    Adelson could pay for a war with Iran out of his own pocket. Why does he even bother going to the trouble of electing Romney first?

    • Ranjit Suresh
      Ranjit Suresh
      August 10, 2012, 1:00 am

      Because no matter how rich he is (something approaching 20 billion dollars), he can’t get American boys to fight for him in the Middle East. Only the embalmed corpse of Uncle Sam can do that. Hence the need for winning the White House.

      Of course, he could always settle for drone strikes, punitive sanctions, and covert operations. The current administration is more than happy to supply those already.

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 10, 2012, 2:37 am

      “Adelson could pay for a war with Iran out of his own pocket. Why does he even bother going to the trouble of electing Romney first?”

      Aside from the legal complications, there’s also the point that it wouldn’t accomplish anything if Sheldon Adelson attacked Iran. America needs to attack Iran — or at least so clearly sanction an Israeli attack that we are effectively implicated in it as well.

    • Abu Malia
      Abu Malia
      August 10, 2012, 10:33 am

      Sheldon Adelson’s net worth per Forbes is about 25 billion as of this year. I agree it is too much money to have been made honestly but, it ain’t enough to finance a war with the Persians.

      On a different note, I wholeheartedly welcome our new Hasbara Trolls. Please don’t ban them. Nothing discredits their ideology more than when they start defecating on their keyboards.

  18. talknic
    talknic
    August 10, 2012, 2:31 am

    Adelson’s money isn’t made in the USA, doesn’t keep jobs in the USA, doesn’t help keep the wheels of US industry turning, unlike US industry who sussed two major party system in the US decades ago. Back ’em both, lobby ’em both, get your way which ever way.

  19. Taxi
    Taxi
    August 10, 2012, 2:31 am

    Why do so many super rich people have such bad taste in fashion, architecture and politics?

    Somebody needs to study this nauseating phenomenon.

    • ColinWright
      ColinWright
      August 10, 2012, 4:52 am

      ‘Why do so many super rich people have such bad taste in fashion, architecture and politics?

      Somebody needs to study this nauseating phenomenon.’

      I would guess because they are astonishingly ignorant.

      If you are going to become super rich, that implies you spent all your time trying to make money. You can hardly have spent all those hours idly reading random books and getting corrected on discussion boards and thinking about what would look really good in the living room.

      …anything outside of your financial concerns is only going to get the most cursory attention. Else it is highly unlikely you’ll pile up $20,000,000,000.00.

      Notice that no one on this site is worth $20,000,000,000.00. Q.E.D.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        August 10, 2012, 7:28 am

        @ Colin Wright

        The Real Housewives shows all reveal very crude women, lacking any subtle taste but apparently having enough wealth (or more likely their husbands do) to buy expensive brand stuff. Their mannerisms, speech in both delivery and content are also crude, overdone banality reaching a peak in their make-up, hair styling, etc. It’s hard to believe any of them actually graduated high school even. None ever betray even a tiny dose of erudition. Yet apparently many of them are millionaires–or their hubbies are. Yes you can put very expensive lipstick and eye shadow on a pig.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        August 10, 2012, 8:07 am

        Colin,

        I know some rich people, of different nationalities and ages, with superb taste.

        It may have something to do with them having an active ‘imagination’. No they’re not in the arts or anything like that, they’re in regular businesses and industries, but they’re creative thinkers.

        We need a study that breaks it down good and proper.

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        August 10, 2012, 8:54 am

        Taxi, atta girl!!

        Colin , you and Taxi just nailed it. Right on the head. NO CLASS! Money never bought class. You’re either born with it or you’re not. And nothing to do with social status either.

      • American
        American
        August 10, 2012, 11:34 am

        I think some people just have bad taste period. Maybe it’s in the eye and in the personality also.
        But the kind of vulgar displays and behavior we see a lot of today among the nouveau riche that is meant to impress others usually ends up having the opposite effect on the very people they actually want to impress.
        I’ve been around a few this kind and in some homes so overly ostentatious that it actually gave me a headache…. like my seeing, hearing senses were being tazered.

      • marc b.
        marc b.
        August 10, 2012, 10:37 am

        If you are going to become super rich, that implies you spent all your time trying to make money. You can hardly have spent all those hours idly reading random books and getting corrected on discussion boards and thinking about what would look really good in the living room.

        yes, and that ignorance apparently extends to politics as well. i doubt that adelson, for example, has a detailed grasp of the history of palestine, the evolution of zionist ideology, and the intersection of religious belief and political ideology. yet his cardboard analysis is backed up by beaucoup bucks and the political influence it buys.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      August 10, 2012, 7:56 am

      “Why do so many super rich people have such bad taste in fashion, architecture and politics?”

      Look around you. Almost everyone has such bad taste in fashion, architecture and politics (even some “experts” in those fields). Why would you expect one subset of humanity to be excused from that simply because they’re rich?

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        August 10, 2012, 8:59 am

        Ok Woods, I’ll add: And why do some poor people have good taste?

        But really my point is that there are many many beautiful things made by humans and most of them are expensive and poor people can’t afford them but rich people can – yet many rich people buy trashy (expensive) junk instead.

        It’s not a concern that plagues me in the least, but every now and then, I observe and note that some rich people have unbearably bad taste. Sheldon and Trump come to immediate mind – cuz of their high media profile. Here I’ll also add that Donald Trump’s children have better taste than him. Curious, this, is it not?

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        August 10, 2012, 10:58 am

        Taxi,

        I probably didn’t express myself well. To expand: I think that taste is totally disconnected to wealth. Some poor people have it, most rich people don’t, but only because most people don’t.

        The rich skew this perception (or try to) because they have the money to hire people with taste to dress them up (both literally and figuratively.) They buy what they think is class and the accoutrements of taste.

        Some, though, think that class and taste involve ostentatious displays of vulgarity (think Donald Trump and his family… laughingly hideous taste or the trash that donate to cultural institutions only to get their names on buildings and such. Or basically anyone who’se ever owned a casino.) Others think that merely being rich gives you class and taste.

        My point is that wondering why rich people have bad taste is the wrong question. The right one would be: why don’t some rich people at least try to demonstrate good taste?? And the answer is that they don’t know that their taste is hideous (i.e., Trump) or think that their wealth is sufficient.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        August 10, 2012, 11:44 am

        Education in the fine arts helps, same as engineering school or mechanics school helps, but, basically, some people are born with more aesthetic taste, intuition, same as some are born with more mechanical ability, intuition. I know this is true in my own family. With wealthy people who can afford to hire expert consultants, I don’t think they have an excuse for bad taste but they have to be aware of it–the difference is, no rich person needs to be told bluntly they have no mechanical ability, say, when it comes to their cars or plumbing, by a friend or toady, but what rich person has a friend or toady that will tell him or her they have no taste, and proceed to tell them why? Nobody it seems, is ashamed of not having practical skills if they are rich–indeed, they often brag about it, but you can’t say that about aesthetics, or even the nuance of “class.” Not to mention, if you are talking about Americans, born and bred, the only Americans who accept they have “no class” are “hillbillies.” That means, poor whites (“white trash”) who got rich one way or another. They even brag about it, at least on the surface.

      • ColinWright
        ColinWright
        August 10, 2012, 3:49 pm

        “Look around you. Almost everyone has such bad taste in fashion, architecture and politics (even some “experts” in those fields). Why would you expect one subset of humanity to be excused from that simply because they’re rich?”

        There is that. The very rich have the ability to express their bad taste in ways their equally tacky but less affluent spiritual kin can only dream of.

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