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‘Jews did not emerge from millennia of exile to impose exile on another people’ — Roger Cohen

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It’s important to chart the New York Times’s Roger Cohen because he is a good sincere writer– and the limit of American Jewish liberal establishment opinion on the conflict. An avowed liberal Zionist in the J Street mold, he is visiting Israel and writes that Israel is the Jewish “homeland” and our deliverance after the Holocaust, and Israeli “genius” has flourished there. (Cohen’s pride in Israel and keen sense of Jewish persecution remind me of views that billionaire Lester Crown expressed at the Aspen Ideas Festival last month.)

Cohen regards Netanyahu and his settler-supporting coalition as intransigent, and in opposing them, he creates a composite Israeli liberal named Yakov, obviously based on his friends. Yakov is a prosperous software entrepreneur and a member of the Ashkenazi elite, a dying breed.

And the attitudes Yakov expresses reflect what Alex Kane says about Israeli Jewish opinion, it doesn’t really care much about Palestinian human rights.

I find Cohen’s summary of Yakov’s views extremely bleak– he speaks of Judea and Samaria, and Jewish exile, and endless security concerns, including of course Hamas’s rockets. Not so different from a rightwinger:

Yakov’s mood swings are sharpest over the conflict. A voice says: “I am completely supportive of the peace process — so long as it does not get to a solution. A solution could be problematic. You have to hand it to Netanyahu, by starting the peace process he has made peace. With Obama! Do I accept the idea of two states? Yes I do. Do I want two states? That is a different question … ”

At which point an angry voice will be raised: “Of course you don’t want two states. Look what happened when we withdrew from South Lebanon: Hezbollahland! And when we withdrew from Gaza: Hamasland! Is that what you want in Judea and Samaria? You want rockets not just in the south but all over Israel blowing up our children? Olmert offered everything and still they refused it. You want Jerusalem divided?”

Deep inside Yakov there is a white Ashkenazi Israeli liberal, that dying breed. He knows the Jews are not going away; nor are the Palestinians. He believes the Jews did not leave the European ghetto to build walls. The Jews did not emerge from millennia of exile to impose exile on another people, did not escape dominion to inflict dominion. He believes, still, in the possibility of peace through territorial compromise in the occupied West Bank.

I have to belief that by conveying these privileged and hermetic and “liberal” views, Cohen understands that they are anachronistic. There is no Palestinian voice in this column– Palestinians who have been promised a state for 66 years and gotten nothing, Palestinians who make up 15 percent or more of Israeli society, Palestinians who have been exiled around the world.

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  1. American
    American
    August 9, 2013, 1:45 pm

    ”An avowed liberal Zionist in the J Street mold, he is visiting Israel and writes that Israel is the Jewish “homeland” and our deliverance after the Holocaust, and Israeli “genius” has flourished there”>>>>

    Question.
    Why are all the Cohen’s who’s passion in life is about their homeland and Israel as deliverance from the holocaust not *living their passion* in Israel?
    Why do they continue living here and in other countries?
    Most people in the world, if offered the ability or chance to actually *live out their paramount passion* would jump on it.
    A lot of ex-pats passions were to go live in the paradise of Belize or some other foreign paradise. Much easier for the Cohens to do that with Israel than for most expats to fulfill their passion.
    So why dont they?
    What I see in all these diaspora Jews that are passionate about Israel is really nothing but a passionate ethnic and tribal *egotism*.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 9, 2013, 2:56 pm

      Absolutely correct. Kind of reminds me of the old trope directed at ‘fellow travellers’ from the Cold War era: ”If you love the Soviet Union so much, why don’t you go and live there?”

      American Jews love the *idea* of Israel, not the sordid, racist, anachronistic reality. Their ‘passion’ is for an idealised Israel which never existed, the very notion of which is becoming increasingly impossible to believe in. In the meantime, millions of Palestinians will continue to suffer so that someone in Brooklyn or Florida can pursue their phoney ‘passion’ for a ‘homeland’ that never was.

      • just
        just
        August 9, 2013, 11:52 pm

        I often think the very same thing. Why are so many ‘agents’ and ‘patriotic Zionists’ working everywhere in and outside of Israel for Israel to deny the Palestinian their rights and to preserve the Occupation and the never- ending theft of Palestinian rights to live in peace without being abused daily for years?

        Now, when an Israeli or Jewish person speaks out for justice for the Palestinians and speaks out for the criminality of the Zionists, they tell those folks to LEAVE. No opposition whatsoever is countenanced. It’s no democracy at all. All others that might be inclined to have an honest discourse are just adjudged ‘anti- Semites’ or ‘Arabs and Arab- lovers’ and are dismissed entirely.

        Egotistic supremacists , indeed.

      • mcohen
        mcohen
        August 10, 2013, 8:41 pm

        is this same roger cohen (no relation)

        For some years, the New York Times columnist Roger Cohen thrived in his role as a bete noire of pro-Israel advocates in the United States. In his writings on Iran, especially, Cohen attracted considerable ire for discounting Israel’s anxieties about the nuclear ambitions of the ruling mullahs, and for generally pushing the idea that the unresolved Palestinian question lies at the heart of the myriad conflicts in the Middle East and wider Islamic world.

        And then he moved to London.

        Back in the city where he grew up, Cohen has now — as his latest column announces — discovered that antisemitism is not some dastardly fabrication of the Israel lobby, but a real phenomenon experienced on many levels by many Jews. Off the back of that revelation, Cohen declares himself nostalgic for those same assertive Jews with whom he tussled back in the States.

        Here, in brief, is what lay behind this sudden transformation. Visiting his sister’s house, he ran into her lodger, who, having noticed Cohen fiddling with his BlackBerry, referred to it as a “JewBerry.” Cohen didn’t follow. The lodger then explained that the free messaging services that come with the device make it a “JewBerry,” because Jews are always on the lookout for something free….

        http://pjmedia.com/blog/roger-cohen-discovers-antisemitism/

  2. Reds
    Reds
    August 9, 2013, 1:50 pm

    As anyone who has study the Romans knows the Romans were not equip to expel jews from Palestine and often let local leaders rule themselves as long as they paid their taxes to the romans otherwise the romans would crush them but again not expel.

    If the bible is correct which is highly dubious in itself it was Israelite that were given a divine mandate to ethically cleanse the inhabitants of Canaan which amount to genocide and ethnic cleansing in the name of God. If the Israeli Rightwing believe that garbage than cleansing the west bank of non-jews and building illegal settlements would only be logical to restore the once “great” kingdom by cleansing it of the native population.

    History repeat itself?

  3. Pamela Olson
    Pamela Olson
    August 9, 2013, 1:57 pm

    That’s all well and good — but check out the two most up-voted NYT-recommended comments!!

    First comment:

    There might be a value in thinking of the people of the Middle East having a problem with invaders, rather than with Jews. In some countries the invaders were French, and the people hated French. Depending on the country, you can substitute English, Afrikaaners, or Jews. As long as (in this case) Jews came in, took the natives’ land, subjugated them and exploited them, there is opposition. It is hard to expect people to agree with their home being taken away on the pretext that in ancient history some of my ancestors lived there. Don’t expect your being Jewish earning more acceptance than being a crusader, English, French or Afrikaaner did in other countries.

    Second comment:

    The two-state peace process is the best illustration of The Emperor’s New Clothes on the planet. Everyone knows that both sides, along with enabler-in-chief John Kerry, are negotiating in bad faith, that there is zero possibility of “success,” and that even a hypothetical agreement could not be ratified by the masses of Palestinians or Israelis (eg., by referendum). Yet the pretense continues because no one dares admit that the “solution” is a fraud, the “road map” has proven to be a cul de sac and the Quartet can’t carry a tune.

    In the long run Palestinians will become Israeli citizens and vote. That is a just resolution and its achievable through non-violence and democratic means. Gandhi did it in India. MLK did it in Jim Crow America, and the Palestinian people will do it in Israel. The sooner the two-state hallucination is rejected, the better.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      August 9, 2013, 2:07 pm

      “:There might be a value in thinking of the people of the Middle East having a problem with invaders, rather than with Jews.”

      Sure, there might be. Except that they don’t seem to mind if the invaders are Muslim.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        August 9, 2013, 2:27 pm

        “Sure, there might be. Except that they don’t seem to mind if the invaders are Muslim.”

        Bigoted poppycock. When was the last group of Muslim invaders in the Middle East?

      • talknic
        talknic
        August 9, 2013, 3:33 pm

        hophmi ” Except that they don’t seem to mind if the invaders are Muslim

        FAIL! … Iraq was booted out of Kuwait. Something to do with Iraq being outside it’s sovereign territory and in someone else’s territory.

        Seems only Israel and the US doesn’t mind if the invader is the Jewish state!

      • Donald
        Donald
        August 9, 2013, 4:00 pm

        “Except that they don’t seem to mind if the invaders are Muslim.”

        Hophmi, get with the program. The usual line is supposed to be something like “Muslims don’t care when Muslims kill other Muslims”. Except that is clearly false–how could it not be false? Passions were raised during the Iran/Iraq war, and obviously people in the Middle East are split regarding the Syrian civil war, but they sure aren’t indifferent about it.

        And the original comment was right–people of the Middle East, like people everywhere, deeply resent it when outsiders come in and take their land. It’s only in the US that the mainstream seems to find this difficult to understand.

      • piotr
        piotr
        August 9, 2013, 6:15 pm

        Muslim Kurds do not mind Muslim Turks because they are both majority Sunni. Correct? Not. Folks of West Sahara do not mind Moroccans. Correct?

        Historically, a domination of a power that comes from the same cultural circle and incorporates local elites without overturning local tradition encounters less resistance. One can imagine that if southern states of USA were conquered by Mexican it would result in much larger friction than those that followed Yankee conquest — which was by no means painless.

      • eljay
        eljay
        August 9, 2013, 7:02 pm

        >> Sure, there might be. Except that they don’t seem to mind if the invaders are Muslim.

        Once again, the Zio-supremacist is upset not because injustice and immorality exist or because his co-collectivists engage in injustice and immorality, but because his co-collectivists don’t seem to be able to get away with injustice and immorality to the extent he thinks they should.

        Always reaching for the bottom of the barrel, these Zio-supremacists are.

    • tree
      tree
      August 9, 2013, 2:41 pm

      Wow, if the comments are any indication, then the opinion tide is turning. I would estimate that of ALL the comments, not just the “picks”, two thirds or more are critical of Israel, and Cohen’s position.

      • MRW
        MRW
        August 9, 2013, 7:31 pm

        And those are just the comments the moderator allowed. The criticism where I live is hardening against Israel and the pro_Israeli groups that support it. In other words, there’s a schism forming in the Christian churches, and sharp words and dividing lines. I was told how last year a pastor asked everyone to “pray for Israel.” The congregation did it. Recently, when the pastor tried the same thing, the congregation grumbled, open shouts of “No!” and “Why aren’t we praying for all nations?” and the idea dropped with the pastor’s words to “Keep Israel in your prayers.”

    • American
      American
      August 9, 2013, 3:10 pm

      ‘The sooner the two-state hallucination is rejected, the better.”

      I think you should read Phil’s comments on Algiers before you get so set on One State being the solution.
      There is very little chance that a country of people accustomed to a having a special entitled status and raising their children, the current generation, to also demand and believe in their special and ruler status, to say nothing of how they are taught Palestines are sub humans—-would ever accept or allow equal right for Palestines….not for decades and decades, at least another generation and lots of battles over it.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        August 9, 2013, 3:25 pm

        The same could have been said for the ‘pieds noirs’ but when the going got tough, at the end of the day the vast majority of them just packed up and left. It’s quite possible that the same might be true for many Israeli Jews, many of whom have passports of Western nations. Oh sure, they’ll all talk tough about how they will ‘never give up their homeland’ but when push comes to shove, most people just want a decent life for themselves and their families. Israelis Jews have had it pretty much all their own way, so they can afford to act macho. But – as repeated misadventures in Lebanon and elsewhere have shown – when the proverbial hit the fan, the Israelis ran away.

      • Ecru
        Ecru
        August 10, 2013, 4:35 pm

        Yeah I’m of the opinion that anyone taking an Israeli passport should be stripped of any other citizenship, and certainly not be allowed to emigrate out of Israel to “Gentile” nations (after all they’re the “Homelands” of the Gentile peoples and we have to keep them “pure” now don’t we, just like the “Jewish Homeland” has to be kept “pure.”). Zionists have been corrupting the Western political machine for long enough we don’t want to impo0rt more of them to increase the damage.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        August 10, 2013, 4:31 am

        American, what about Germany?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        August 10, 2013, 10:30 am

        @ German Lefty
        What do you mean? Native Algerians and the ‘pieds noirs’ were two distinct ethnic groups. Both East and West Germans were all Germans.

      • American
        American
        August 10, 2013, 12:06 pm

        @ Lefty

        Not sure what you mean about Germany.

      • German Lefty
        German Lefty
        August 11, 2013, 5:16 am

        @ American
        Sorry, I should have been more precise. I meant if “Aryans” can unlearn to view Jews, gays etc. as subhumans, then Jews can unlearn to view Palestinians as subhumans, too. Zionists are not inherently evil. They just need proper education. Young Israeli Jews are victims, too. Victims of Zionist propaganda.
        Also, I remember that Shir Hever once said that as soon as the Zionist regime is toppled, most Israeli Jews will suddenly claim that they have always been against Zionism.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        August 10, 2013, 11:33 am

        “American” “equal right for Palestines….not for decades and decades, at least another generation and lots of battles over it.”

        Some of us “Americans” have family roots in the abolitionist movement reaching back generations before the establishment of the United States. Generation after generation of agitation, activism, and finally armed struggle, aka the Civil War, to bring down that horror. If it takes another hundred years to end the enslavement of the Palestinian people, amen. It’s a human imperative, and an inevitable certainty as long as Americans who believe in human equality keep their shoulders to the stone. Our government is just as culpable in this oppression as it was in slavery. We own it. It’s our responsibility to end this contemporary horror.

      • American
        American
        August 11, 2013, 1:44 am

        SQ Debris says:
        August 10, 2013 at 11:33 am
        “American” “equal right for Palestines….not for decades and decades, at least another generation and lots of battles over it.”

        Some of us “Americans” have family roots in the abolitionist movement reaching back generations before the establishment of the United States. Generation after generation of agitation, activism, and finally armed struggle, aka the Civil War, to bring down that horror. If it takes another hundred years to end the enslavement of the Palestinian people, amen.’

        I dont care what your ‘roots’ are and I dont like people who involve themselves in a cause as some kind of long term ‘hobby’ or ‘avocation’ or ‘semi-profession’ for their own satisfaction or ego.
        The Palestines dont have a fucking hundred years left.
        And the last thing they need is people who just ‘enjoy being involved” in and ‘filming’ their ‘100 year struggle’.
        So take your soap box to some public street corner, maybe you’ll luck up on someone who you can impress with your ‘long term crusade’ commitment.

  4. piotr
    piotr
    August 9, 2013, 2:05 pm

    A little question: is Yakov presented as “white Ashkenazi Israeli liberal” (as opposed to black Ethiopian Israeli liberals or those Ashkenazi Israeli liberals who are of Oriental race, consistent with their Khazarian ancestry)?

    There is nothing remotely liberal in the rant (which is a good composite from actual statements one can read both in opinion pieces and comments of Israeli press, and surely hear when you talk with those people). The liberal is “deep inside”. It is like deep inside your cousin who emigrated when she was 19 and now shows a photo of her grandchild joining IDF is the teenager you remember from your childhood.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      August 9, 2013, 2:29 pm

      “The liberal is ‘deep inside’. ”

      No, “deep inside” is code for “non-existent, but I wish it were true, so I’ll pretend that it is.”

      • piotr
        piotr
        August 9, 2013, 3:50 pm

        My point exactly. Actually, I liked the way Roger Cohen put the rant together. There is a number of code-phrases that are sometimes obtusely misunderstood. For example, “complex personality” usually refers to a mean bastard who has a sufficiently high position in the elite, “often misunderstood” is a particularly severe case. “Intellectually incurious” refers to an American President if he happens to be unusually stupid. “Frank exchange of views” in diplomatic context means that the best we can say is that there was no shoving or spitting (although one should not be too sure of that). I expect quite a lot of frank exchanges in the “peace process” that is now entering 9 month gestation period.

  5. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    August 9, 2013, 2:07 pm

    RE: Yakov’s mood swings are sharpest over the conflict. A voice says: “I am completely supportive of the peace process — so long as it does not get to a solution. A solution could be problematic. You have to hand it to Netanyahu, by starting the peace process he has made peace. With Obama! Do I accept the idea of two states? Yes I do. Do I want two states? That is a different question … ” ~ Roger Cohen’s column

    MY COMMENT: Uri Avnery highlights the fact that Israelis seem to support the idea of a comprehensive settlement based on the two-state solution (a theoretical Palestinian state), but they have been “brainwashed” to believe that such a settlement is not possible (due to Palestinian intransigence). If Israeli’s don’t believe that a comprehensive settlement based on the two-state solution is actually possible, then it makes it very easy (i.e. ‘cost free’) for them to support this theoretical two-state solution that they believe will never actually come to fruition (thereby eliminating the need for them to make the concrete sacrifices that would be necessitated by the theoretical two-state solution). Additionally, by virtue of theoretically supporting the two-state solution (that they are convinced will never actually come to fruition), the Israeli’s absolve themselves of responsibility for the “demographic problem” [i.e., the inevitability that Israel will eventually cease to be a democratic, Jewish state; and a system of apartheid will be the only way for Israel to remain a Jewish state)].

    SEE: “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

    [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
    All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
    [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
    . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
    . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
    If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
    This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
    The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
    , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
    How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
    If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969) . . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/04/israels-weird-elections/

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      August 9, 2013, 2:17 pm

      P.S. RE: “How many voters believe that this [two-state] solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that ‘the Arabs’ don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.” ~ Uri Avnery (from above)

      OR, PUT IN THE WORDS OF ROGER COHEN’S COMPOSITE “BRAINWASHED” ISRAELI LIBERAL, YAKOV (FROM PHIL’S POST ABOVE):

      [EXCERPT] . . . Do I accept the idea of two states? Yes I do. Do I want two states? That is a different question … ”
      At which point an angry voice will be raised: “Of course you don’t want two states. Look what happened when we withdrew from South Lebanon: Hezbollahland! And when we withdrew from Gaza: Hamasland! Is that what you want in Judea and Samaria? You want rockets not just in the south but all over Israel blowing up our children? Olmert offered everything and still they refused it. You want Jerusalem divided?” . . .

      NYT SOURCE – http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/09/opinion/global/roger-cohen-israels-split-personality.html?hp&_r=0

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      August 9, 2013, 2:34 pm

      P.P.S. ON HIS INTERNET BROADCAST/PODCAST TODAY, SAM SEDER WAS BEMOANING THE FACT THAT COREY BOOKER WILL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT SENATOR FROM NEW JERSEY, AND HE SPOKE VERY HIGHLY OF RUSH HOLT. THE PRIMARY IS THIS UPCOMMING TUESDAY (AUGUST 13), SO IT IS TIME TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION IF YOU CARE TO.
      • Rush Holt for U.S. Senate – http://www.rushholt.com/
      • Rush Holt blasts Cory Booker in ad – http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/rush-holt-blasts-cory-booker-in-ad-95186.html
      • Democrats Square Off In First Full Debate In U.S. Senate Race – http://montclair.patch.com/groups/new-jersey-news/p/4-democrats-square-off-in-first-full-debate-in-us-senate-race

      • jon s
        jon s
        August 9, 2013, 4:04 pm

        More from Uri Avnery on two states possibly leading to a federation:
        http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1376051927/

      • piotr
        piotr
        August 9, 2013, 6:52 pm

        Too bad Dickerson. I am a bit poorer now.

        Seriously, it is hard to find a better candidate than Holt on American political scene with any chances of being elected. Clearly, he does not say MUCH on topics like Israel/Palestine, but overall he says a lot of needed thing and he does not have one ounce of pandering in his political body.

        NYT in his Solomonic tradition run an endorsement of Corey Booker and some article about his ethical problem (I did not read either). Realistically, a good showing of Holt, EVEN IF HE LOOSES, would send a precious signal to the establishment . And even sending him 10 dollars will improve “grass root support” stat.

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    August 9, 2013, 2:13 pm

    Israel is anxious about US getting poor, and it don’t want Dick and Jane to start wondering about what it gifts Israel while US clamps down on US impoverished in name of austerity:
    http://www.jta.org/2013/08/09/news-opinion/politics/israel-asks-congress-to-be-included-in-sequester-cuts?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    • Ecru
      Ecru
      August 9, 2013, 3:45 pm

      Which is probably why they’re trying to cozy up to China.

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      August 9, 2013, 7:23 pm

      @ Citizen

      Would the general public still hand over their hard earned tax $$ if they knew the recipient invests its own money abroad like in milk and honeymoneyarms?

    • amigo
      amigo
      August 10, 2013, 7:28 am

      “The American people are bearing the burden of sequestration and we will bear that burden with them,” he said in a statement to JTA.Oren.

      Puke inducing twaddle.

    • American
      American
      August 10, 2013, 12:28 pm

      This is more PR than anything because a 8% cut in their regular aid is more than made up for by the additional extras outside of the regular 3.1 billion already appropiated for their missile defense, new base we are building them and other upgrades.
      So they give up 240,000 million on the 3.1 billion but they still get another 668 million for missile defense and another 325,000 million. for other upgrades.

      I dont think this anouncement was Israel’s idea anyway…note that it was announced by Hoyer—who last year told Isr that the US dire financial straits wouldnt interfer with Israel aid. I’d like to think congressonial I-Firstdom is getting some guff about taxpayer money going to Isr while the US is crumbling at least from US defense if not from the mushroom public.
      I think the Israelis in congress thought this PR stunt up.

  7. atime forpeace
    atime forpeace
    August 9, 2013, 3:29 pm

    what utter bull…Israel was born because they imposed ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people, it has been their modus operandi since it’s birth, and Israel claims to be the homeland of the Jewish people.

    Maybe Jews don’t believe that they are doing this ethnic cleansing but in fact Israel under the banner of the homeland to the Jewish people have been doing it and continue to do to this day.

    doesn’t double speak pi*s anybody off anymore…or is it just going to continue to be part of our daily diet?

  8. Ecru
    Ecru
    August 9, 2013, 3:42 pm

    …Jews did not leave the European ghetto to build walls.

    Really? Tell that to the Palestinians cut off from their own lands by rapacious and thieving Jewish colonists. Israel IS a ghetto, it’s the biggest one in history.

    The Jews did not emerge from millennia of exile to impose exile on another people

    Possibly because they were never exiled in the first place – it’s a MYTH, a self serving one that I for one am heartily sick of hearing. Rome depopulated the area around Jerusalem and that’s it. And the depopulation was balanced by a commensurate rise in the population of other regions of Judea. As for the slaves taken during the revolts and them being the origin of the Diaspora, well let’s put it this way – the Romans weren’t exactly famed for their Health and Safety record. And Roman slaves weren’t famed for either their longevity or their fecundity.

  9. dbroncos
    dbroncos
    August 9, 2013, 5:42 pm

    Citizen:

    “Israel is anxious about US getting poor, and it don’t want Dick and Jane to start wondering about what it gifts Israel while US clamps down on US impoverished in name of austerity.”

    Eric Cantor and his AIPAC cronies have been scrambling to save Israel from sequestration by elevating Israel’s status to “major strategic ally” and by moving Israel’s foreign aid package into the Pentagon where they believe it’ll be more insulated from budget cuts. Israeli leadership may be concerned about the implictions of priviledging Israelis over Americans with respect to US budget cuts but AIPAC and its congressional stooges sure aren’t.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      August 10, 2013, 10:48 am

      @ dbronocos
      The bill to make Israel our unique “major strategic ally” is fast wending it’s way through congress; the way congress critters are signing on to it, it should be US law by this Fall. I didn’t mean to imply Israel gives a crap about US going down the economic drain anymore than AIPAC does–both simply will move on to a new host when the present one is getting drained out, and in both cases, they worry about PR during America’s on-going recession, the worst since the Great Depression. Netanyahu was so anxious to increase trade relations, inter alia, with China, he took away key Israeli and/or dual citizen witnesses the US government had on its side in a case against a NY branch of a Chinese bank, a case brought by the US brought in behalf Jewish interests in the first place. With a friend like Israel America does not need any other enemies. And the same can be said for the US congress, which does not represent America in anything remotely related to Israel.

  10. Ellen
    Ellen
    August 10, 2013, 8:19 am

    After reading Cohen’s article, I wondered what does an intelligent man base his ideas of a Jewish “homeland” on?

    The late 19th century eastern European Zionist myths of a single Jewish people? The ideas of “race hygiene? ”

    It was simply weird to read that.

  11. jon s
    jon s
    August 10, 2013, 12:48 pm

    Ellen, Consider that Israel really is the historic Jewish homeland.
    I wonder: did Roger Cohen use the term “race hygiene”?

    • annie
      annie
      August 10, 2013, 1:03 pm

      jon, consider i could care less about my ‘historic’ homeland. this is just not a gene most people have (where ‘relatives’ lived thousands of years ago). try looking at it from other people’s perspective. it’s a manufactured/brainwashed concoction (the concept of an emotional connection to a ‘historic’ homeland) for lots of people. don’t expect others to be brainwashed into ‘understanding’ this attachment.

      it’s primarily propaganda to justify land theft/colonization.

      • seanmcbride
        seanmcbride
        August 10, 2013, 1:11 pm

        Annie,

        The key question:

        Why should people care about, support, or get involved in the ethnic nationalism of ethnic groups that are not their own?

        Most of us do not organize our politics around our own narrow ethnic interests — not to mention the ethnic interests of others.

        Focusing on ethnocentrism and ethnic nationalism in complex multi-ethnic societies like the United States is a recipe for being marginalized and, eventually, ostracized.

    • American
      American
      August 10, 2013, 1:24 pm

      jon s says:
      August 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm

      Ellen, Consider that Israel really is the historic Jewish homeland.””>>>

      Yea and Germany (and Europe) was the historic Ayran homeland.
      Dont see much difference in those attitudes.
      Monkey see, monkey do.

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      August 10, 2013, 1:31 pm

      jon s says:

      Consider that Israel really is the historic Jewish homeland.

      But, as a matter of historical fact, it isn’t. Not for the vast majority of Jews.

    • Ellen
      Ellen
      August 10, 2013, 1:45 pm

      Jon S. you wonder if Cohen used the term, “race hygiene.” I did not.

      I wondered what feeds strange ideas of a Jewish “Homeland.” It makes no rational sense in the arc of history. I wonder what fuels such bizarre notions among otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people. It can only be fed by myths of ancient civilizations (stories that have no basis in modern realities) and ideas of ongoing racial hygiene, etc to enable the execution and idea of a modern Jewish Homeland.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      August 10, 2013, 2:13 pm

      There is no ‘historic’ Jewish homeland.

      Religions do not have homelands.

      Jews thousands of years ago have no resemblance to Jews today.

      Jews today are the product of conversion by and large – hence why there are Jewish populations all over the world (historically too).

      In 1948 and for thousands and thousands of years there was never a Jewish majority in Palestine.

      It took war and ethnic cleansing to make a Jewish majority.

      Your ‘historic’ homeland is propaganda.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      August 10, 2013, 3:39 pm

      “Consider that Israel really is the historic Jewish homeland.”

      BFD. It stopped being that 2 millenia ago. When zionism reared its ugly head, the land was and continues to be Palestinian.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      August 10, 2013, 11:49 pm

      “Consider that Israel really is the historic Jewish homeland.”

      Africa is the historic human homeland. But so what?

  12. James Canning
    James Canning
    August 10, 2013, 2:25 pm

    If the Jews want to build walls, put the walls on the 1967 border. Not hither and thither all over the West Bank. Grotesque.

  13. mcohen
    mcohen
    August 10, 2013, 8:55 pm

    this was written by another cohen in pj media back in august 2011—correct me if I am wrong but is it ,really, really the same roger cohen mentioned in this post

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/roger-cohen-discovers-antisemitism/2/
    “……………..This was a land from which the Jews were formally expelled in 1290, and one which pioneered the infamous blood libel through the martyrdom tales of William of Norwich and Hugh of Lincoln. Fascism did not triumph, but neither was this a country free of its influence; in the 1930s, at a time when some of Britain’s most senior leaders were contemplating a deal with Hitler, Jews in the streets of east London faced a mortal threat from the Blackshirts who swore their allegiance to Sir Oswald Mosley. And, of course, as the former mandatory power in Palestine, Britain provided favorable conditions for the vicious anti-Zionism that was to emerge in the decades following the Second World War.

    This anti-Zionism certainly bothers Cohen, to the extent that he even mentions its critical component: Muslim antisemitism. But again, he reports no conversations with those who might have educated him on the subject. A conversation with Howard Jacobson, the leading British writer whose recent novel, The Finkler Question, is a witty journey through the minds of anti-Zionist Jews, would have yielded valuable insights. The same can be said of the Community Security Trust, a communal defense organization run by individuals who are the very opposite of the supine Jews of Cohen’s imagination. One can add, too, the bloggers of Harry’s Place, who diligently monitor and attacks extremists of all varieties — left, right, and Islamist — as well as the activists of Engage, who combat the academic boycott of Israel.

    I could go on. The point, though, is that Cohen does not seem willing to connect with anyone who might shake his convictions (a pronounced trait among New York liberals that he must have picked up during his years over here). He is determined to drive home his fundamental argument, and no-one will stop him……….”

    With friends like these, eh?

    • mcohen
      mcohen
      August 11, 2013, 6:44 am

      oh well must be the same guy

      please tell me it aint so roger di Maggio /cohen

  14. Ecru
    Ecru
    August 11, 2013, 6:04 am

    @ mcohen

    You’ve just got to love that reference to the expulsion of 1290. Twelve fucking Ninety? Talk about holding a grudge. And then, of course, the “blood libel” which he presents as some kind of conspiracy every medieval Brit was in on. But here’s the question – why’d he miss out the York Pogrom of 1190? Come on, Jews reliving Masada in rainy Yorkshire? You gotta put a bit of that in there. It’s just so…juicy.

    And then he skips centuries to get to Mosely? What about Shylock and Fagin? Thus guy needs to try harder, he could have worked some more “ooooohhh antisemitism” in that space I’m sure of it.

    But OK – Mosely, let’s borrow the Tardis and skip a few years. He makes it sound like the Blackshirts were roaming the streets looking for Jewish people to kill, which they could do apparently do with impunity. Let’s forget that that’s murder and British law takes a bit of a dim view of that no matter who’s killing who (it isn’t after all Israel). Let’s also forget that at its height the BFU only had around 50,000 members – mainly in London, which in the 1930’s had a population of over 8 MILLION! In other words they had sod all people involved and lots of those left the BFU when it started its turn to antisemitism. Oh yeah, and it never actually won an election. Instead the JEW who led the Battle of Cable Street (where non-Jews joined Jews to fight off a planned Mosley march) was elected to Parliament. But yes I know, you can’t get more antisemitic than voting for a Jewish politician. Oh yes and Parliament then passed a law requiring marches to get police permission first and banned the use of the military style uniforms that fascists are so fond of. Of course I know this was all part of a devilish antisemitic conspiracy of the Brits who thanks to the tireless work of writers like this, we now know are ALL antisemitic. And that’s not a bigoted position at all, it’s perfectly fair to condemn an entire people on a just a few cherry picked “facts”. Unless of course it’s Jews who are being so judged, in which case it’s totally wrong and of course “ANTISEMITIC!”

    And he then ties all this to the anti-zionism of Palestinians. As if the Palestinians would have happily been robbed of their land and property, would gleefully have marched into the bullets of, funnily enough JEWISH fans of fascism, JEWISH Mosley’s, JEWISH Blackshirts if it hadn’t been for the devious plans of those dastardly moustache twirling Brits.

    Isn’t it funny, after all that trouble and the true inheritors of Edward I, Mosley, Mussolini and not least Hitler are Zionist Jews.

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