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A concerned Jewish friend notes:

Several days ago Yeshiva University held the 8th Annual Medical Ethics Society Conference called “Prescribing for a Nation” and the flyer for the conference had a large map of Israel with no Green Line, no West Bank and Gaza, no Palestinian Authority, no Palestinians at all. Greater Israel– par excellence.


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  1. Mike_Konrad
    October 25, 2013, 12:45 pm

    And How many Palestine posters remove Israel?

    • annie
      October 25, 2013, 4:58 pm

      in 09, my first experience upon entering israel at eilat in the middle of the night after 8 hrs at the checkpoint, my friends and i (from code pink) stayed at a youth hostel. and when we woke in the morning there was a huge map of israel/palestine on the wall w/no palestine/west bank delineation. nothing. later i noticed all the hostels we stayed at had the same map. i think they may be state issued from the ministry of tourism or something. and yes, they were exactly the same shape as the ones hamas had just given us of palestine on the gift scarves.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      October 25, 2013, 5:00 pm

      “And How many Palestine posters remove Israel?”

      The university is Amerian, not israeli. It shouldn’t be spreading israeli libels.

    • talknic
      October 25, 2013, 11:26 pm

      Mike_Konrad “How many Palestine posters remove Israel?”

      None. Israel still exists. Israel takes Palestinian territory

      No one has taken any Israeli territory. In fact there’s never even been a war in Israel. Israel’s wars have all been in “territories outside the State of Israel”

    • thankgodimatheist
      October 26, 2013, 1:30 am

      As they should, herr Konrad. It’s originally their country stolen from them and there’s no reason they should see it any other way. But that doesn’t mean Jews are not welcome, it just means it’s one country for both.

  2. LanceThruster
    October 25, 2013, 12:50 pm

    They nuked the Green Line?!?

    Where was Adelson?

    • Krauss
      October 25, 2013, 3:23 pm

      Well, why is anyone surprised, though?

      Yeshiva University’s dean was present at the debate with Adelson recently where he nodded in agreement with Adelson’s right-wing fanatical statements. This map is just a reflection of the concensus – starting from the top – inside YU.

  3. pabelmont
    October 25, 2013, 1:14 pm

    I think (that is, I hope) that thee are MDs who recognize a Medical ethics problem, and wish to study it or solve it. The ethics question is what to do for the mentally-disturbed folks (in Israel and their enablers here) who see “Israel” as a new name for “Palestine” and who have forgotten the existence of green-line, international law, human rights, etc.

    After all, this is a very serious medical/mental problem, bordering on psychosis (personal psychosis, for people who can no longer recognize elements of reality, and national psychosis).

    These are people (potential patients) who are busily steering their lives in such a way that great harm is done to innocent people (mainly Palestinians, but also Lebanese, Syrians) and great harm is also done to the harm-doers (mostly Israelis) whose children are going down the tubes of militant fascist indoctrination and practice.

    In WWII, we got over the problem of wishing to excuse the ordinary German and Japanese citizens who were being misled by militarists and we said — let’s defeat the militarists and hit all of them hard just as if all are guilty, even those who were misled. At a certain point regular citizens become guilty of the crimes of their governments.

    Doctors might be able to steer off a military “solution” to Israel’s near-psychosis by TALK therapy, starting with the MDs themselves loudly and publicly describing the disease.

    • Don
      October 25, 2013, 2:39 pm

      “In WWII, we got over the problem of wishing to excuse the ordinary German and Japanese citizens who were being misled by militarists and we said — let’s defeat the militarists and hit all of them hard just as if all are guilty, even those who were misled. At a certain point regular citizens become guilty of the crimes of their governments. ”

      No offense intended, Peter. But holding citizens responsible for the acts of their government…I have trouble with that concept.

      America”s highest ranking officers in WWII also saw this as view as grossly immoral…

  4. DICKERSON3870
    October 25, 2013, 1:40 pm

    RE: “Doctors might be able to steer off a military ‘solution’ to Israel’s near-psychosis by TALK therapy” ~ pabelmont

    MY COMMENT: I’m not a doctor, but I would say the prognosis is quite poor due to the constant brainwashing* that the Israeli’s are exposed to. I suspect that Israel passed the “tipping point” some years ago.

    “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

    [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
    All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
    [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
    . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
    . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
    If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
    This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
    The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
    , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
    How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
    If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969) . . .


    • pabelmont
      October 25, 2013, 2:05 pm

      Dickerson: Well, yes, the constant barrage of Israeli government (or right-wing, comes to the same thing these days) propaganda, called HASBARA, “explanation”, and “Public Diplomacy” (hmm, inside Israel some of the hasbaristim are honest gentlemen sent to lie at home for the good [sic] of their country (apologies to Henry Wotton) is itself a form of TALK ANTI-THERAPY. Question: who gets there first — the MDs or the government?

  5. JustJessetr
    October 25, 2013, 1:43 pm

    And the map looks exactly like a placard I saw during a march that said: “Palestine: One Nation from the River to the Sea.”

    • talknic
      October 25, 2013, 11:43 pm

      @ JustJessetr ” the map looks exactly like a placard I saw during a march that said: “Palestine: One Nation from the River to the Sea.”

      Palestine’s rightful territories do extend from the river to the sea, so do Israel’s.

    • K Renner
      K Renner
      October 26, 2013, 5:11 am

      The difference essentially boils down to the fact that it’s not the Palestinians who have been stealing and lying about it consistently for over 65 years.

      Additionally, they don’t waste their time constantly talking about how there are no Israelis– although there is a far better argument for that to be made then the constant “Palestinians don’t exist” that comes from the Israeli centre and Israeli right.

  6. OlegR
    October 25, 2013, 3:17 pm

    No dead sea either.

  7. annie
    October 25, 2013, 5:03 pm

    speaking of yeshiva university, and this is very OT, the other day i was reading the forward and it was some story that included YU, can’t recall which, and in the comment section most of the commenters were discussing the recent revelation of the pedophilia sex scandal from the 80’s or sometime last century. they were discussing how it didn’t get the big play the penn coach got or the catholic church. just saying.

    but everyone seemed to know about it. i suppose i could google around. but they acted like it was a big deal.

  8. seafoid
    October 25, 2013, 5:13 pm

    Very interesting piece in Ha’aretz

    “Between 1250 and 1100 B.C.E., all the great civilizations of the eastern Mediterranean – pharaonic Egypt, Mycenaean Greece and Crete, Ugarit in Syria and the large Canaanite city-states – were destroyed, ushering in new peoples and kingdoms including the first Kingdom of Israel. Now scientists are suggesting a climatic explanation for this great upheaval: A long dry period caused droughts, hunger and mass migration. Such is the conclusion of a three-year study published this week in Tel Aviv: Journal of the Institute of Archaeology of Tel Aviv University. ”

    TJS always needed weakened neighbours. Still does. Nothing got to do with God.
    And that restriction on who is eligible to be a Jew defined the politics forever.

    It must have seemed like God was interested when the Pharaoh ran into trouble. Like some team from Oklahoma winning the super bowl 15 years in a row. How else would you explain it? And then when it was lost as it had to be, under mean reversion, how would you keep the legend alive ?

    • seafoid
      October 26, 2013, 3:47 pm

      I think this piece of history explains why Judaism is as it is.
      And why Israel is a fantasy.

  9. traintosiberia
    October 25, 2013, 8:39 pm

    Lets talk about health care law . Since Israel shares same values US does , one will see — Fragmented non universal non government health care . But that is not the case. Just as it is in education and housing ‘ the differences between Israel and US are in the same realm and magnitude as was between socialist block and US

  10. thankgodimatheist
    October 26, 2013, 1:25 am

    Jews for ethnic cleansing and genocide! What else is new?

  11. Katie Miranda
    Katie Miranda
    October 26, 2013, 7:24 pm

    Hmm, so, according to this map, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank receive the most excellent Israeli Health care. How lucky for them !

  12. just
    October 26, 2013, 8:30 pm
  13. Balfour
    October 27, 2013, 10:28 am

    My children attend a public elementary school near Boston, Massachusetts where there is a 9 foot high by 12 foot long mural dedicated to the Greater State of Israel. At the center of this mural is a map of Greater Israel published by the Israeli Ministry of Tourism. The map depicts East Jerusalem, the Syrian Heights and the Occupied Territorities as one with the state of Israel. In addition, the mural contains photographs of the Syrian Heights and a panoramic shot of East Jerusalem, both labelled as Israeli scenes. The country’s capital is shown as Jerusalem.

    Needless to say, the territory and capital information depicted in the mural is in direct contradiction to the official policies of the United States and of the international community.

    Ironically, the school educates the children of many visiting academics from around the world, including numerous Muslim countries.

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