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Cyndi Lauper, the country you are planning to entertain imposes violent segregation, not equality

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Dear Cyndi,

I’m glad that you believe in equality, so do I. Unfortunately, my country doesn’t. In the state of Israel, equality is a word frequently used, but rarely practiced.

In the occupied territories, under Israel’s control, in East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, Palestinians and Israeli settlers share the same ground, but that’s all they share. There are separate legal systems, military for Palestinians, civil for Israeli, segregated roads, buses, and check points. There are different water quotas, and different building permits, as in, none of those for Palestinians. Settlers have freedom of movement, of work, of protest, of speech, Palestinians have none of those. Every Palestinian protest is violently suppressed by the Israeli army. Also, most of the Palestinians living in the West Bank, cannot cross into Israel, whereas all settlers can do that. Many of them, will probably come to your show.

Cyndi Lauper

Cyndi Lauper

It goes without saying that all of the Palestinians living in Gaza, under siege since 2006, will not be able to make it. Many of them are without electricity, 16 hours a day, fuel is running out. Medical operations are made in candle light, and many pay with their lives, for the fuel shortage created by Israel’s closure of the strip’s borders.

As for those Palestinians who are so called, citizens of the State of Israel. Yes, they have citizenship, but their equal status begins and ends with this piece of paper. They don’t get equal funding, for school, for welfare, for infrastructures. The Israeli education system invests 8 times more in an Israeli pupil, than in a Palestinian one. Most Palestinian towns get no public transport, and not a single train station operates in any of those. The state of Israel operates in order to Judaise areas in which there’s a high concentration of Palestinians, such as the Naqab or the Galilee. These programmes include the demolition of Palestinian houses, the eviction of Palestinian citizens, and the expropriation of Palestinian lands.

As for romantic relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, there are several organizations, supported by various Members of the Knesset, that are working to intimidate such couples, with insults, humiliations and violent threats. Such a couple will never be able to get married inside Israel, as only religious marriages are possible.

And while we’re on the subject I’ll add a word about lack of equality against non-Palestinians. I’m living in a religious state, in which as a woman, I can never get equal status. I’m living in a state in which state-funded buses operate, on which women are boarding from the back, and men are boarding from the front, to cater for an orthodox community, whose equality, seems to be more important than my own. I’m living in a state in which there’s a religious court system in which only men can serve as judges, and these men decide on every matter of marriage and divorce, according to laws set more than 2000 years ago. I’m also living in a state that as we speak, rounds up African refugees into an enormous prison, for the sole crime, of seeking asylum.

Dear Cyndi, we both believe in equality, we believe in freedom, in peace, in justice, and I hope that some day, we can celebrate them together. But you can’t find freedom, where there is occupation, you can’t find justice under apartheid, you can’t find equality in the state of Israel.

Leehee Rothschild

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  1. Blownaway
    Blownaway
    December 29, 2013, 2:40 pm

    If you want to perform for your fans in Israel condition it on making sure all residents get equal access including the residents of the West Bank. Then we will see just how much they want to see you Israel. Simple test for all performers….will all of my fans who want to attend be able to attend regardless of where they live? Israelis and Arabs?

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 29, 2013, 3:44 pm

      @Blownaway

      So are you considering the West Bank part of Israel?

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        December 29, 2013, 4:11 pm

        Well, Israel clearly does, and its many cult followers.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 29, 2013, 5:41 pm

        @justicewillprevail

        I certainly do. But mostly the other side likes to have everything work to Israel’s disfavor. The West Bank isn’t part of Israel so it is an occupation and any actions are 4th Geneva conventions violations. But the West Bank is part of Israel so Israel is an apartheid state. This was another example of that.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        December 29, 2013, 6:38 pm

        That’s because they are correct.

      • andrew r
        andrew r
        December 29, 2013, 6:42 pm

        The West Bank isn’t part of Israel so it is an occupation and any actions are 4th Geneva conventions violations. But the West Bank is part of Israel so Israel is an apartheid state.

        This seems to be you rewriting others’ arguments because most anti-occupation/anti-Zionist speakers would not in a million years consider the West Bank part of Israel. However, Israel has created a system where the settlers can freely move across the Green Line as if the West Bank was part of Israel, while Palestinian freedom of movement is restricted within a matrix of checkpoints and roadblocks. Israel wants to have it two ways: treat the West Bank as part of its own territory for the purpose of its own Jewish nationals living there, and defer its final status to some “negotiated settlement” that’s never going to take place so it doesn’t have to grant the Palestinians citizenship (Which will end Israel as a Jewish state). This is the ABC’s of the conflict, Ben Adam.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 29, 2013, 6:52 pm

        The West Bank isn’t part of Israel so it is an occupation and any actions are 4th Geneva conventions violations. But the West Bank is part of Israel so Israel is an apartheid state.

        Nothing prevents an occupying power from committing the crime of apartheid. South Africa did that in occupied Namibia for decades. Try reading Article 85(4) and (5) of the 1st Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions (1977). It has been ratified by 173 state parties and has long-since acquired customary status.

        Denial of the right to a nationality was incorporated in Article II of the Apartheid Convention to specifically address the situation where persons are deliberately disenfrnchised. http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/instree/apartheid-supp.html

        The fact that Palestinians are citizens of Israel, but not Israeli nationals, is a prime example. Israel intentionally expanded its borders into territories inhahabited exclusively by another people and then refused to implement the princicple of equality and self-determination of peoples that always applies to relations between nations according to Article 1 of the UN Charter. http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

        Israel deliberately denies the existence of the Palestinian people and nationality. It employs a make-believe “Arab” nationality that isn’t held or recognized by anyone outside the state of Israel. The very illogical term “Israeli Arab” doesn’t even include Jews from Arab nations, despite the fact that the Supreme Court of Israel has ruled that there is no Israeli nationality separate from the Jewish people. The term is merely employed to facilitate prohibited forms of discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, or religion that violate both the intent and content of the UN Charter and the UN Human Rights Conventions.

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        December 29, 2013, 7:48 pm

        Israel is an Apartheid state regardless of the occupation, it actively and legislatively discriminates against 20% of the population because they committed the crime of living somewhere their ancestors have been for long before Zionism was conceived and not being Jewish.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 29, 2013, 7:31 pm

        @Hostage

        Up a level. I don’t agree with the characterization of “apartheid” even if one grants Israel the entire Mandate Palestine x-gaza. But without it I don’t see how they are maintaining apartheid. They are keeping incredibly hostile people’s apart from one another with good reason to believe there would be violence.

        . Israel intentionally expanded its borders into territories inhahabited exclusively by another people and then refused to implement the princicple of equality and self-determination of peoples

        A perfect example of what I’m talking about. For that to be true Israel would have had to expand its borders which means its borders aren’t the armistice lines.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 1:41 am

        But without it I don’t see how they are maintaining apartheid.

        Israel drove three quarters of a million Palestinian citizens into foreign exile and refused to repatriate them. That’s Grand Apartheid. It reserved the right to replace the refugees with Zionist Jews from Arab countries who had expressed a desire to move to Palestine. http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/FRUS/FRUS-idx?type=goto&id=FRUS.FRUS1948v05p2&isize=M&submit=Go+to+page&page=1295

        Israel also employed Emergency Regulations and a martial law regime to prevent internally displaced Palestinians from returning to their homes and to expropriate them. That’s Bantustanization. The authorities used corecion and reprisals to co-opt and outlaw Palestinian Arab political parties to prevent them participating in democratic self-government of the country. The authorities are still using schemes, like the Prawer Plan, to persecute its Palestinian Arabs citizens and pursue a policy of Bantustanization. If you don’t understand how illegal segregation and apartheid works, try reading the areas of concern in Israel’s CERD report that reference Article 3 and John Quigley’s, Apartheid Outside Africa: The Case of Israel, 2 Ind. Int’l & Comp. L. Rev. 221 (1991-1992) http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/iicl2&div=8&id=&page=

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 10:18 am

        @Hostage

        Like I said I think to make any sense of this you have to pick whether Israel is the government or not. I do think you are trying to have it both ways.

        The deportation of the Palestinians and the replacement by Jews happened inside Israel proper not the West Bank. That’s not apartheid, that’s outright tribal war. That’s a government indicating that a population is simply not its people and treating them as an enemy.

        Under a definition that vague that any separations of peoples is Apartheid the North Vietnamese were practicing “Grand Apartheid” in sending the Americans back to America from South Vietnam and separating the population.

        I’m just not buying it. The core of post Christiandom international law starts with the notion of a nation-state as its fundamental unit. The way you differentiate between a minority and an invader is whether they are part of the same nation and whether they are willing to be loyal to the state.
        A group that is part of the nation but disloyal to the state are guerillas.
        A group that is loyal to the state but not part of the nation are allies, immigrants….
        A group that meets neither of those criteria is an invader.

        Part of the problem with the UN, and this doesn’t just apply to Israel or their definition of apartheid is this weird concept that talks about “powers” acting but leaves powers somewhat vague. Apartheid if it is to mean anything that a government can do is dividing 2 groups from the same nation into colonies of a state on the basis of race. Israel isn’t doing that.

        I’d want to see a criteria of international law that would have most of say the last 100 nations that formed being lawful.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 1:15 pm

        Like I said I think to make any sense of this you have to pick whether Israel is the government or not. I do think you are trying to have it both ways.

        Whether it makes sense to you or not is irrelevant. The fact remains that a belligerent military occupation regime is a government, but public international law still explicitly prohibits it from adopting any apartheid policies and practices or other measures calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of their own country. Try reading Article 85(4) and 85(5) of the 1st Additional Protocol again for comprehension.

        In a High Court of Justice ruling from 2005 (Alfei Menashe), Israeli Supreme Court President, Aharon Barak, took the time to explain that neither Israel nor its military commander exercise sovereignty over the occupied territory and that public international law governs the situation:

        The Judea and Samaria areas are held by the State of Israel in belligerent occupation. The long arm of the state in the area is the military commander. He is not the sovereign in the territory held in belligerent occupation… His power is granted him by public international law regarding belligerent occupation. The legal meaning of this view is twofold: first, Israeli law does not apply in these areas. They have not been “annexed” to Israel. Second, the legal regime which applies in these areas is determined by public international law regarding belligerent occupation (see HCJ 1661/05). In the center of this public international law stand the Regulations Concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land, The Hague, 18 October 1907… These regulations are a reflection of customary international law. The law of belligerent occupation is also laid out in IV Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War 1949… The State of Israel has declared that it practices the humanitarian parts of this convention… We are aware that the Advisory Opinion of the International Court of Justice determined that The Fourth Geneva Convention applies in the Judea and Samaria area, and that its application is not conditional upon the willingness of the State of Israel to uphold its provisions.

      • tree
        tree
        December 30, 2013, 2:08 am

        They are keeping incredibly hostile people’s apart from one another with good reason to believe there would be violence.

        No, they are not keeping “incredibly hostile peoples apart”. They are encouraging Jewish settlers to move in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and even into areas within Israel that have a large Palestinian non-Jewish population. In doing so it is also encouraging, and in some cases participating in, the violent dispossession of the Palestinians from their own private lands, thus creating this “incredible” hostility rather than mitigating it. These are apartheid actions, not the actions of a country that wishes to discourage violence.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 9:15 am

        @tree —

        Dispossession of lands is a concept that doesn’t apply to a government. Governments reallocate resources. That’s an example of your problem. You want to apply the language of an occupying power “like dispossession” and at the same time apply the language of a government “apartheid”. You have to pick.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 30, 2013, 9:25 am

        @JeffB “Dispossession of lands is a concept that doesn’t apply to a government. Governments reallocate resources. That’s an example of your problem. You want to apply the language of an occupying power “like dispossession” and at the same time apply the language of a government “apartheid”. You have to pick.”

        Interesting theory. Israel is both in non-Israeli territories.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 9:57 am

        That’s an example of your problem. You want to apply the language of an occupying power “like dispossession” and at the same time apply the language of a government “apartheid”. You have to pick.

        You don’t have a clue. The Security Council didn’t have to pick. It condemned South Africa’s continuing occupation of Namibia in violation of General Assembly resolutions, which terminsted its mandate and condemned its policies and practices of apartheid in Namibia. When South Africa refused to respond to the Security Council resolution, the Council requested an ICJ advisory opinion. The Court advised that South Africa’s occupation regime and its policy of apartheid violated its UN Charter obligations and the Namibian people’s right to self-determination and self-government. See Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1970) http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/?p1=3&p2=4&k=a7&case=53&code=nam&p3=4

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 30, 2013, 4:35 am

        “They are keeping incredibly hostile people apart” is what the whites in SA also said. It is about keeping the natives from their resources. JeffB can’t go into the political economy of the occupation. Because hasbara is dead.

      • tree
        tree
        December 30, 2013, 6:25 pm

        Dispossession of lands is a concept that doesn’t apply to a government. Governments reallocate resources. That’s an example of your problem. You want to apply the language of an occupying power “like dispossession” and at the same time apply the language of a government “apartheid”. You have to pick.

        JeffB, your weasel arguments make no sense. Dispossession of lands does apply to governments, and an “occupying power” is in fact a government. You seek to change the meaning of words like you are Humpty Dumpty. I take that to mean that you cannot defend what Israel does without contorting meaning and reason in your arguments.

        And BTW, Israel has dispossessed Palestinians within the green line since 1948 as well as dispossessing Palestinians in the West Bank, as I mentioned in my post which you ignored. Despite your pretense to the contrary, no dispossession can occur without government action or sanction; it is entirely a government function, intended in Israel’s case to “reallocate resources” for Jews while diminishing resources for Palestinian non-Jews. This is one element of the crime of apartheid, extant in both Israel and in the occupied territories.

      • MRW
        MRW
        December 30, 2013, 9:40 am

        I agree, JeffB, with your disagreement with the term “apartheid”. The correct term is genocidal.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 10:55 am

        So any state discriminating against any minority population is now an apartheid state? Is that the new definition?

        No any state which maintains separate and highly disproportionate funding for Jewish and Arab sectors in the area of housing and education and which views the Arab citizenry’s use of State lands as illegitmate is an apartheid state.

        A March 2000 Jewish Agency For Israel article outlined the various reactions to one of the initial Israeli Supreme Court rulings in connection with the Ka’adan case. The article explained that the High Court had specifically rejected the idea of “separate but equal” in Israel, citing the famous U.S. racial discrimination case, Brown vs. the Board of Education of Topeka, Kansas, (1954). The JAFI article quoted the head of the Jewish community council in the case, who thought that separate but equal could work, although he acknowledged that until now it had not. In fact, he admitted that since its creation, Israel had not established even one communal settlement for Arabs on state land, while hundreds of such settlements had been established for Jews. The wider application of that landmark High Court ruling has subsequently been circumvented by the Knesset. The maintenance of separate Jewish and minority communities and admissions councils was noted with concern in the periodic CERD reports on Israel as a failure to implent the Article 3 prohibition of racial segregation and apartheid. http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/CERD.C.ISR.CO.14-16.pdf

        That doesn’t even begin to address the theft of Bedouin land to establish a handful of reservations that function as Bantustans and the refusal to recognize Beduoin villages and settlements that pre-date the existence of the State of Israel and plans to make the inhabitants sign leases, pay rents, or be removed to other areas specifically reserved only for Bedouins. That’s apartheid.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 29, 2013, 11:00 pm

        @Djinn

        Israel is an Apartheid state regardless of the occupation, it actively and legislatively discriminates against 20% of the population because they committed the crime of living somewhere their ancestors have been for long before Zionism was conceived and not being Jewish.

        So any state discriminating against any minority population is now an apartheid state? Is that the new definition?

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        December 31, 2013, 2:23 am

        I didn’t invent the meaning of the crime of Apartheid Jeff, but if that discrimination is carried out with the intent of maintaining the domination of one racial group over another, yeah that exactly what the definition has ALWAYS been, nothing new about that genius.

        Seriously doesn’t it hurt being as ignorant as you apparently are?

      • Blownaway
        Blownaway
        December 30, 2013, 3:46 pm

        JeffB I deliberately did not use the word citizens. The Palestinians of the West Bank are under the control of Israel and Israel decides where they can and can’t go. Simply put can or can’t they go to a concert under Israeli control.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 3:54 pm

        @Blownaway

        Then why would “residents” of the West Bank be able to attend a concert in another country? I’m not entitled to attend concerts in Canada. OTOH if I happen to be visiting Canada I am entitled to go back to the USA and attend a concert.

        And simply put no. West Bankers have with some exceptions proven themselves unwilling to obey Israeli law and respect the government of Israel. So the government of Israel doesn’t want them in Israel proper.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        December 30, 2013, 6:38 pm

        This is the biggest load of facile verbiage i have seen in some time. You are tying yourself in knots trying to justify the apartheid/occupation with the most banal, simplistic excuses and contradictions. First it was Israel, now it is not ‘Israel proper’, the ‘West Bankers’ (lol), it was like Mexico, then Vichy France, no doubt Ruritania next. Your analogies and comparisons are ridiculous, your apparent understanding of the reality negligible, and you couldn’t care less, as long as you can keep spouting asinine air-headed excuses for your ideology, which is racist, exclusionary and medieval. And you’re proud of it. A typical american zionist who knows nothing of the reality, and lives in a cocoon of fantasy and myth, telling the most convoluted mish-mash of spurious inanities to justify a barbarous regime intent on land grabs, depopulation, dispossession, resource theft and ethnic cleansing. I’m not even sure you are a real person, it reads like a random phrase generator stringing together hasbara-lite cliches with no regard to the logic or sense of a genuine argument. Any facts are just swept aside as irrelevant, or ‘I don’t care, we do what we like’, which is, I suppose, the hallmark of zionist ‘thought’ and attitude. And of course, the crowning clincher of any zionist whining about Palestinian suffering, or their cast iron case for human rights: “Too bad, It’s all their own fault”.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 7:19 pm

        And simply put no. West Bankers have with some exceptions proven themselves unwilling to obey Israeli law and respect the government of Israel. So the government of Israel doesn’t want them in Israel proper.

        Well to put it bluntly, neither the Jews of Palestine nor foreign Zionists had the right to draw the boundaries of their jurisdiction around territory inhabited by another internationally recognized people and exclude them from the lawmaking, political, or judicial organs of the country on the basis of race, religion, creed, or ethnicity. That violated the principle of equality and self-determination of peoples contained in Article 1 of the UN Charter and the explicit terms on treatment of religious and minority groups in Palestine and the right of transit in all of Palestine in accordance with UN resolution 181(II).

        In fact,
        1) the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples;
        2) the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations; and
        3) the Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action rule out any attempt at the sort of interpretation that denies the equality of any of the inhabitants of a country or attempts to disrupt the territorial integrity of the country in order to grant superior rights to a particular racial or ethnic group through an act of secession or imposition of minority rule.
        See especially Articles 5, 6, and 7 of The Declaration Granting Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples:

        Declares that:
        1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
        2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
        3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or edu­cational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
        4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
        5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Goveming Territories or all other terri­tories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and
        freedom.
        6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total dis­ruption of the national unity and the territorial in­tegrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
        7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non­-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

        See Article 2 of the Vienna Declaration:

        All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status, and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
        Taking into account the particular situation of peoples under colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, the World Conference on Human Rights recognizes the right of peoples to take any legitimate action, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, to realize their inalienable right of self-determination. The World Conference on Human Rights considers the denial of the right of self-determination as a violation of human rights and underlines the importance of the effective realization of this right.
        In accordance with the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, this shall not be construed as authorizing or encouraging any action which would dismember or impair, totally or in part, the territorial integrity or political unity of sovereign and independent States conducting themselves in compliance with the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples and thus possessed of a Government representing the whole people belonging to the territory without distinction of any kind.

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      December 29, 2013, 10:59 pm

      @Andrew r

      However, Israel has created a system where the settlers can freely move across the Green Line as if the West Bank was part of Israel, while Palestinian freedom of movement is restricted within a matrix of checkpoints and roadblocks. Israel wants to have it two ways: treat the West Bank as part of its own territory for the purpose of its own Jewish nationals living there, and defer its final status to some “negotiated settlement” that’s never going to take place so it doesn’t have to grant the Palestinians citizenship

      That’s very similar to Mexico. Mexico allows Americans to cross over rather freely. That doesn’t mean Mexico is part of the USA. Conversely the United States is more restrictive about Mexicans crossing in. That’s not apartheid that’s just different standards. Separate countries can do that.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 30, 2013, 9:29 am

        @ JeffB “That’s very similar to Mexico”

        Drivel

        ” Mexico allows Americans to cross over rather freely”

        Mexico occupies the US?

        ” Conversely the United States is more restrictive about Mexicans crossing in.”

        The US occupies Mexico?

        Israel occupies Palestinian territory. It is illegal for Israel to allow its citizens into occupied territory.

      • andrew r
        andrew r
        December 30, 2013, 11:02 am

        That’s not apartheid that’s just different standards. Separate countries can do that.

        You’re an imp. Israelis who cross the Green Line are still under Israeli civil law, while Palestinians are subject to PA law and Israeli military courts. Americans living in Mexico are subject to Mexican law. Is the distinction too fine for you, or what?

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 11:12 am

        @Andrew r

        Then recognize the territory as Israel and start applying the standards of Israel being a government not an occupying power. I don’t care which one you pick, you just can’t pick both.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 30, 2013, 1:56 pm

        “Then recognize the territory as Israel and start applying the standards of Israel being a government not an occupying power. I don’t care which one you pick, you just can’t pick both.”

        It’s up to the zionist terror forces to act properly, it’s not up to Andrew r to excuse their acts and their racism. The zionist entity should gets no benefit by its criminality.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 11:09 am

        That’s very similar to Mexico. Mexico allows Americans to cross over rather freely.

        Except of course that neither the US nor Mexico are transferring portions of their populations into any occupied territory in violation of Article 49(6) of the 4th Geneva convention.

      • Blownaway
        Blownaway
        December 30, 2013, 3:47 pm

        We don’t have US citizens forcibly placed in Mexico treated differently under US laws. That argument doesn’t even make sense. Your trying too hard. There are far better hasbarists than you on here go back to hasbara school

      • Djinn
        Djinn
        December 31, 2013, 2:27 am

        WTF? Really? American citizens set up towns in Mexico, paid for in full by American taxpayers and policed by the American army, to which Mexicans are prevented from not only living in but even approaching without the US forces firing tear gas and bullets?

        What a deluded fantasy land you live in. But then again you’re a Zionist so that’s par for the course.

  2. NormanF
    NormanF
    December 29, 2013, 2:42 pm

    That’s one side of the picture.

    On the Arab side, there are forced marriages, temporary marriages, honor killings and of course the hijab and burqa. Women being completely invisible is the Islamic notion of sexual equality.

    Granted, things for women aren’t perfect in Israel but they are improving. And women have high profile positions there in various aspects of public life, unimaginable in the male-dominated Palestinian Arab and the larger Arab World.

    So if you want to say Israel has its flaws that’s fine but the other side has a long way to go before it achieves true equality. Until then, Cyndi Lauper need feel no regrets about entertaining in Israel.

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      December 29, 2013, 4:14 pm

      Well done for comprehensively missing the point and displaying your prejudices and ignorance so clearly.

    • Sammar
      Sammar
      December 30, 2013, 1:47 am

      NormanF

      What was your point? It’s rather sad how the agents of hasbara are unable to deny the truth and always have to resort to bringing negative stereotypes about Arabs into a conversation in order to make Israel look better. It’s pathetic and it doesn’t work.
      If Cindy Lauper is ok with apartheid, oppression and racism, then let her sing in Israel. It will show everyone what she really stands for.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 30, 2013, 4:38 am

        Forced marriages – white phosphorous is too good for them, eh Norman? Should jews be denied rights en masse based on the actions of the haredim?

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      December 30, 2013, 1:52 am

      Bots just wanna have land
      It’s all they really want

    • Djinn
      Djinn
      December 31, 2013, 3:27 am

      And the Jewish side of that equation has women sent to the back of the bus, forced to cover their hair, and all the other ills you ascribe to the Arab world. Perhaps deal with your own fundie glasshouse before throwing stones.

  3. Citizen
    Citizen
    December 29, 2013, 2:56 pm

    Aw, girls just wanna have fun. She’s never had another big hit. She not gonna turn down $ from an Israeli performance. I bet she will never answer anybody who tries to wake her up. Like most Americans, Jews or otherwise, she just wants to make money at any opportunity because those opportunities keep getting rarer.

    • annie
      annie
      December 29, 2013, 3:47 pm

      it’s not true about only one hit. for personal reasons, time after time is one of my favorite songs, ever. and it was a really big hit too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_After_Time_(Cyndi_Lauper_song)

      • RudyM
        RudyM
        December 29, 2013, 4:09 pm

        Yes, it would be good if people could move away from “they aren’t observing the boycott–well they weren’t any good to begin with” type rhetoric.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 30, 2013, 1:56 am

        Lies and home demolitions
        Time after time

      • Tuyzentfloot
        Tuyzentfloot
        December 30, 2013, 7:58 am

        And True Colors. And her last album ( Memphis Blues ) is successful and quite nice. But does she need/want money? Sure.

    • yrn
      yrn
      December 29, 2013, 6:00 pm

      Citizen
      are you referring to hypocrite roger waters, that took the $$$$ first and then became a humanist…..

      • Daniel Rich
        Daniel Rich
        December 29, 2013, 7:15 pm

        @ yrn,

        How can a wo/man be a sinner without having sinned?

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        December 29, 2013, 11:29 pm

        yrn,

        You stole a whole country and you’re still not a “humanist”.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        December 30, 2013, 2:00 am

        Hypocrisy is claiming Zionism is for God, Torture is jewish, Violence is moral.Where are the million selling Bot artists BTW? Can’t anyone write a global hit about Israel and the Palestinian Amalek LOLZ?

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 2:36 pm

        `”are you referring to hypocrite roger waters, that took the $$$$ first and then became a humanist…..”yrn

        Won,t hold our breath waiting for you to be come a humanist but feel free to keep taking those hasbara$$$$$$$$.

        You sir are not fit to shine Roger Waters shoes.

  4. Taxi
    Taxi
    December 29, 2013, 11:29 pm

    Hey Cindy,

    Palestinians wanna have fun too!

  5. MahaneYehude1
    MahaneYehude1
    December 30, 2013, 3:37 am

    Dear Cindy,

    Welcome to Israel!!! You are going to visit the only democracy in the Middle East, a country that provides freedom to its citizens, regardless race or gender. The state of Israel was established by the Jewish people who returned to his homeland from all around the world after hundreds years of pogroms, blood libels and persecutions, including my parents that escaped from persecutions in Iraq. Unfortunately, our neighbors do not accept this fact and do all efforts to fight us in all means they can, in battle field, by incitement, terror attacks, boycotts and more. As a result of this long conflict in which they tried to prevent us building our homeland, we had to defend it, resulted in unwanted consequences for all peoples living in this tiny land, Palestinians and Israelis. Since many evil terror attacks, aimed against innocent Jewish civilians, my state had to take measures to protect its citizens. These measures are necessary but also affect innocent Palestinians. Few years ago, Israel had to build a wall after years of random terror attacks in our buses, restaurants, hotels and streets in which few hundreds innocent Israelis, men, women and children, were killed. Indeed, the wall saves lives and the level of the attacks was decreased, but, unfortunately, this wall also causes injustice to innocent Palestinians. My country makes all efforts to minimize these damages. Indeed, Palestinians live in the WB won’t come to your show, since my country must be careful in order to allow you and others to perform your show without fear of terror attack.

    My country withdrew from Gaza strip completely. After the withdrawal, instead of building their piece of land, they attack our civilians in the Negev by long range missiles which they build by themselves or smuggle from Arab countries to the strip. My country had to force blockade in order to restrict entry of supply that can be used to build weapon like iron and fuel, but there is no shortage of food or medicines. Unfortunately again, the innocent Palestinians civilians suffer from this blockade living with a shortage of fuel and electricity.

    The Palestinians, who are citizens of the state of Israel, enjoy excellent medical treatment, education in high level colleges and universities and high standards of living the same as the Jewish citizens. They enjoy freedom and democracy like all other citizens, many of them serving in senior positions in Israel like members of parliament, judges, journalists, scientists, police and army officers, business men etc. I invite you to visit in several Palestinian villages in Israel to realize by yourself.

    As for romantic relationships between Palestinians and Israelis Jews, I don’t think that your show will be visited by even not one couple consists of Muslim woman and Jewish man since the Arab society doesn’t allow such romantic relationships to exist. In contrary, there are several hundreds, if not thousands, of mixed couples consist of Jewish woman and Muslim man. They are living their lives without fear and getting all their rights. I hope some of them enjoy your show in Israel.

    In my country there is a religious system for orthodox Jews who decided to live their lives in their way, one of the basis rights in Israel. Secular people also free to live their lives in their way and no one forces them to follow the religious laws. They can marry, bury their dead relatives and raise their children in their own way.

    Dear Cyndi, my country started a peace process with the Palestinians. A process that most of us, the Israeli civilians, support and hope will succeed and resulted in two independent states, living together in peace and respects each other. A process that we hope will put an end to the sufferings of my children and my Palestinian neighbor children, the innocent victims of our cruel conflict. By visiting Israel, you will strengthen the peace and reconciliation supporters in Israel. Welcome to Israel.

    ברוכים הבאים
    Mahane Yehuda
    Jerusalem, Israel

    • MRW
      MRW
      December 30, 2013, 9:45 am

      Mahane Yehuda,

      She’s going for Mammon because you’re offering it, and your country doesn’t have the talent to entertain itself.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 1:42 pm

        @MRW:

        What is your point? what do you want to say?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        December 30, 2013, 1:48 pm

        MRW- “your country doesn’t have the talent to entertain itself”. Not as stupid as citing a Brit headline from March 33 and blaming the Jews for WWII, but still plenty stupid.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        December 30, 2013, 1:57 pm

        It might be “stupid” to you, yonah, but it’s freaking TRUE!

        LOL, name me a single singing mega-star from any Apartheid country in the world and I’ll eat my shorts.

        Lucky for you, there’s currently only one single Apartheid state in the world (ehm, israel), so your search shouldn’t take that long, right?

        Israel is a nation of bad taste, bad manners, and bad eggs.

      • OlegR
        OlegR
        December 30, 2013, 5:32 pm

        I wrote Phil about that gem several times.
        No reaction only censorship of my comments.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 3:07 pm

        Mrw–“She’s going for Mammon because you’re offering it, and your country doesn’t have the talent to entertain itself.”

        Oh yes it does but zionist thugs are the only ones being entertained.

        No accounting for taste , is there.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      December 30, 2013, 10:30 am

      These measures are necessary but also affect innocent Palestinians.

      Mahane I’ve pointed out repeatedly that the General Assembly and ICJ findings of fact agreed that Israel could not justify departing from the Green Line and building the Wall deep inside Palestinian territory on the basis of either necessity or self defense, since its own wrongful acts had contributed to the situation and it could have built the wall on its own territory if self-defense was the goal.

      When it declared the Wall and the associated military regime illegal, the International Court of Justice cited among other things the fact that the construction of the wall has led to the destruction or requisition of properties under conditions which contravene the requirements of Articles 46 and 52 of the Hague Regulations of 1907 and of Article 53 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. It also cited a UN Commission and Special Rapportuer’s report (see paragraphs 132-134) that were included in the Secretary General’s 1,000 page dossier. The reports noted that initial phases of the Constrution of the Wall had resulted in the confiscation or disappearance of some 100,000 dunams of the West Banks most fertile agricultural land: “vast amounts of property, notably private agricultural land and olive trees, wells, citrus grows and hothouses upon which tens of thousands of Palestinians rely for their survival“. It also noted that the Wall and its associated administrative regime violated fundamental human rights and freedoms for which no exceptions are allowed.

      So, you are trying to justify and trivialize collective punishment of tens of thousands of people by denying them their means of survival. That’s a crime against humanity and you are engaging in hate speech.

      My country withdrew from Gaza strip completely.

      No it didn’t. Israel began building a fence around Gaza in the 1990s and imposed illegal closures and a naval blockade in Gaza’s territorial waters. It also established no-go buffer zones 1000-1500 meters deep into agricultural areas on land and staged incursions into the buffer zones on an average of 3-4 times every week, while naval forces continuously patrol the coast. It continuously violated Gaza’s airspace and territorial waters ever since the so-called withdrawal. The ICRC has declared that this situation is collective punishment. Germany recently agreed to pay compensation to Morrocan Jews whose freedom of movement was violated in a similar fashion by the Nazis during WWII. See:
      * Shifting Paradigms – Israel’s Enforcement of the Buffer Zone in the Gaza Strip
      * Berlin to pay Moroccan Jews who suffered under Vichy: Germany agrees to make payment to Moroccan Jews whose freedom of movement was curtailed by Axis powers.
      * Gaza is a prison camp, says David Cameron

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 12:19 pm

        @Hostage

        You obviously read a lot. But you should diversify a bit:
        we keep once more to the pure conception of war, then we must say that its political object properly lies out of its province, for if war is an act of violence to compel the enemy to fulfil our will … But if even both these things are done, still the war, that is, the hostile feeling and action of hostile agencies, cannot be considered as at an end as long as the will of the enemy is not subdued also; that is, its Government and its allies forced into signing a peace, or the people into submission…

        1. To gain a decisive victory over those of the enemy.

        2. To make the expenditure of force which may be necessary to follow up the victory to a point at which it will no longer be possible for the enemy to regain his balance.

        3. Next, we must feel sure that in our political situation, such a result will not excite against us new enemies, who may compel us on the spot to set free our first enemy.

        “Collective punishment” is just the UN mischaracterizing things. That’s not occupation that’s war.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 2:12 pm

        You obviously read a lot. But you should diversify a bit:

        I was required to read Clauswitz, but it is part of a philosophy that had been consigned to the dust bin of history by the time the German Empire, including the Kingdom of Prussia, joined the other Great Powers to codify the laws and customs of land warfare in the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions.

        Article 227 of the Treaty of Versailles indicted the former German Emperor for the supreme offense of violating international morality and the sanctity of those treaties.

        So, reading those passages today is only useful if you feel nostalgic about spiked Pickelhaube helmets and can avoid developing a penchant for invading Poland.

        “Collective punishment” is just the UN mischaracterizing things. That’s not occupation that’s war.

        No, it is either a war crime or a crime against humanity and denying or trivializing those situations is a widely recognized form of hate speech. Frankly you should know better by now, since that has been brought to your attention several times. See for example the EU Framework decision on combating racism and xenophobia http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/combating_discrimination/l33178_en.htm

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 2:44 pm

        @Hostage

        No, it is either a war crime or a crime against humanity and denying or trivializing those situations is a widely recognized form of hate speech

        Well I’m traveling to Europe in 2 months, we’ll see if I get arrested. Somehow I doubt it. If I took the threat more seriously I’d even buy a
        http://www.zazzle.com/anti_united_nations_t_shirts-235194095048631297

        to wear at customs on my way out.

        I’m an American. Disagreeing with the UN is like 85% of the population. I believe strongly in the right to criticize government bills, from my government. That would apply even more strongly to those from a “government” which is little more than a high end debating society. If I were to go to jail for standing up for the right of Americans to disagree with the UN, that’s a damn good cause to make the sacrifice for.

        And I’m not going to. In the 1990s I stood up against the Clinton export of cryptography and made sure that I wrote stuff about how encryption worked to carry with me when I left the USA. Nothing happened. Much as you would like the UN to be beyond criticism, I live in a democracy as do Europeans.

        And unlike the UN that’s something that was something people actually cared about.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 7:01 pm

        Well I’m traveling to Europe in 2 months, we’ll see if I get arrested. Somehow I doubt it. If I took the threat more seriously I’d even buy a
        link to zazzle.com

        to wear at customs on my way out.

        Zionist and Jewish groups have used the Courts to block access to internet sites and pursue criminal charges against the persons who violate the EU framework and other hate speech laws, e.g.
        * The French Union of Jewish Students took Twitter to criminal Court in France over similar offensive online comments and it complied “in response to a valid legal request from the prosecutor of Paris, Presse et Libertés Publiques section of the Paris Tribunal de Grande Instance, with data that may enable the identification of certain users that the Vice-Prosecutor believes have violated French law.” link to nytimes.com
        * Jones v Toben (includes explanatory memorandum) [2002] Federal Court of Australia 1150 (17 September 2002) link to austlii.edu.au
        * The case against Ernst Zuendel pursuant to a complaint under the Canadian Human Rights Act, on the basis of his promoting hatred via the Internet described by Karen R. Mock, National Director of the League for Human Rights of B’nai B’rith Canada, in Countering Anti-Semitism and Hate in Canada Today Legal/Legislative Remedies and Current Realities
        Racism, Anti-Semitism and Hate in Canada. link to nizkor.org

        So, you are in really classy company. You are intentionally engaging in hate speech by falsely claiming that Palestinians in Gaza and the West bank are not being subjected to collective punishment or serious crimes listed in Articles 6, 7, and 8 of the Statute of the International Criminal Court. You and other Zionist extremists are trying to make flagrantly criminal actions perpetrated against Palestinians acceptable, so that Israel can go on pursuing its criminal policies and practices with impunity and without any public demand for sanctions or intervention. I don’t know why those of us who sponsor Mondoweiss should provide bandwith for your agenda.

        The head of the Israeli delegation to the Rome Conference, Judge Eli Nathan, provided the first expert opinion on the subject before the Rome Statute ever entered into force. He noted that the action of transferring a population into occupied territory was added to the list of serious war crimes that appears in Article 8, Paragraph 2(b), sub-para. viii of the Statute of the International Criminal Court and that it would apply to Israeli settlements. — link to iccnow.org

        That addition to the Rome statute was made in-line with the strong international consensus of the 173 state parties who ratified Article 85 of the 1st Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions (1977). It unambiguously stated that the action of transferring a population into occupied territory by the occupying power is a grave breach of the Convention and a war crime. link to icrc.org

        Shortly after the Rome Statute entered into force, then Attorney General and current Supreme Court Justice, Elyakim Rubinstein observed that Israeli Settlers could be prosecuted by the International Criminal Court. See “A-G: New Hague court may indict settlers for war crimes”, Jun.11, 2002

        The findings of fact in the ICJ Wall advisory opinion (paragrapgh 134) noted that Israel had facilitated the transfer of portions of its population into the occupied territory and established settlements in violation of Article 49(6) of the 4th Geneva Convention.

        The written statement and oral pleadings of Palestine pointed out that conduct usually associated with annexation of territory – in particular the direct or indirect transfer to occupied territory of the occupier’s civilian population, or the transfer of part of the population from occupied territory – constitutes a war crime in accordance with Additional Protocol 1, Art. 85 (4)(a) and also the Rome Statute of the International Criminal
        Court, 17 July 1998, Art. 8(2)(a)(iv), (b)(viii). See paragraph 358, page 170. http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/131/1555.pdf

    • The Hasbara Buster
      The Hasbara Buster
      December 30, 2013, 10:50 am

      @MahaneYehude1

      a country that provides freedom to its citizens, regardless race or gender

      The Israeli citizens from Iqrit and Birim, who were forcibly expelled by the Jews in 1948, don’t enjoy the freedom to return to their villages, despite the written promises that were made to them at the time of their expulsion.

      My country withdrew from Gaza strip completely. After the withdrawal, instead of building their piece of land, they attack our civilians in the Negev by long range missiles which they build by themselves or smuggle from Arab countries to the strip.

      Israel withdrew from Gaza out of necessity, not under a peace agreement. While I reject any attack on civilians, this is not a case of a peace gesture paid back with war.

      As for romantic relationships between Palestinians and Israelis Jews, I don’t think that your show will be visited by even not one couple consists of Muslim woman and Jewish man since the Arab society doesn’t allow such romantic relationships to exist.

      Well, at least the Muslims allow Muslim man-Jewish woman couples. The Jews don’t allow any kind of intermarriage.

      Secular people also free to live their lives in their way and no one forces them to follow the religious laws.

      Showcasing leavened products in Jewish-majority towns is forbidden in Pesach even if the baker is secular.

      Indeed, the wall saves lives and the level of the attacks was decreased, but, unfortunately, this wall also causes injustice to innocent Palestinians. My country makes all efforts to minimize these damages.

      Correlation is not causality. Security experts agree that the fundamental cause for the decrease in the attacks is that the Palestinians renounced terror.

      Also, Israel didn’t do the most elementary effort to minimize damages, i.e. building the wall along the Green Line.

      The Palestinians, who are citizens of the state of Israel, enjoy excellent medical treatment, education in high level colleges and universities and high standards of living the same as the Jewish citizens.

      Not true. Israeli Arabs live a full 4 years less than Israeli Jews.

      They enjoy freedom and democracy like all other citizens, many of them serving in senior positions in Israel like members of parliament, judges, journalists, scientists, police and army officers, business men etc.

      Did you know that up to 3,000 Jews openly lived in Berlin unharmed through WWII? Any Arab serving in a senior position is an exception that does not revert the general trend of a ferocious discrimination against Arabs. Denying this discrimination because of the exceptions is akin to denying the Holocaust because of those Jews.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 12:08 pm

        @Hasbara Buster

        Correlation is not causality. Security experts agree that the fundamental cause for the decrease in the attacks is that the Palestinians renounced terror.

        Why do you think they “renounced terror”? Terror was working pretty well in 2001 and 2002. They managed to kill a bunch of people and throw Israel into a recession. They did more economic damage than European sanctions are likely to do.

        The barrier starts being constructed in 2003 and completes in 2008.

        2001 (40 bombings)
        2002 (47 bombings)
        2003 (23 bombings)
        2004 (17 bombings)
        2005 (9 bombings)
        2006 (3 bombings)
        2007 (1 bombing)
        2008 (2 bombings)

        That’s not a minor correlation. That’s a pretty good example of an effective technique.

        ___

        Showcasing leavened products in Jewish-majority towns is forbidden in Pesach even if the baker is secular.

        There are still liquor laws in the states and counties all around me regulating the sale of alcohol on Sundays. And that’s in a country with a strong no establishment tradition.

        Leavened products under Jewish law can be freely sold to non-Jews. If Israel just required a license to buy products you all would scream about the discrimination then.

        Judaism is the state religion of Israel.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 12:49 pm

        The barrier starts being constructed in 2003 and completes in 2008.

        See Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu, 3/23/2009, Holes in the Fence: Jerusalem Barrier Far from Complete: Nearly one-third of the proposed separation barrier in the Jerusalem area remains unfinished, mainly because of financial and legal problems. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/130561#.UsGwvPi4WVs

        The work on the unfinished “barrier” was halted for several years. See
        Tovah Lazaroff “Security barrier remains unfinished: Eight years after it was begun, only 64 percent of the West Bank security barrier has been completed, according to numbers provided to The Jerusalem Post by the Defense Ministry on Wednesday.”, JPost.com, 8 July 2010, http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=180775

        8/19/2013 Watch: Arabs Cross Security Fence: How do PA Arabs illegally cross security fence into Israeli population centers? Easily, shows video. Jewish motorists who use the road have been documenting the way Arabs cross the fence for months: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171066#.UsGxd_i4WVs

        Here’s an article published in 2013 which explains that “Construction on the barrier was frozen for years due to budget constraints, but is scheduled to restart this year.” It also mentioned that “two months ago, . . dozens of Arab men held a protest against the security barrier, taking large hammers and creating a gaping hole in the wall. Several men used the hole to enter Jerusalem without going through a security checkpoint. See Video: Arabs Demolish a Section of Security Barrier: Dozens of PA Arabs created a hole through the security barrier that runs between the Arab village of Abu Dis and Jerusalem. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/169769#.UsGsuvi4WVs

        The Palestinians can gain entry any time they want. See Shaarei Tikva head: Hole in fence allows Palestinians into Israel: Head of community located near site of IDF soldier’s murder over the weekend says security breach allows Palestinians to infiltrate Israel during all hours of the day” http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4432055,00.html

      • James North
        James North
        December 30, 2013, 12:58 pm

        Thanks, Hostage. JeffB’s original comment is almost like blaming someone’s male pattern baldness after 1986 on Halley’s Comet’s increasing distance from earth.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 3:50 pm

        @Hostage —

        There were troops as well. I’m assuming if those holes mattered Israel would be getting lots of bombings today and they would get closed, animal migration or not. I know you don’t believe the barrier means anything but either:

        a) The collective punishment aspects of it worked as intimidation
        b) The barrier worked to prevent the bombings.

        The correlations is simply too strong. A declaration would have resulted in a sharp falloff. Palestinians have more reason to hate Israelis in 2014 than they did in 2001.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 30, 2013, 7:40 pm

        I know you don’t believe the barrier means anything but either:

        a) The collective punishment aspects of it worked as intimidation

        That’s another example of hate speech. Article 33 of the 4th Geneva Convention stipulates that: “No persons may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.”

        See State Practice Relating to Rule 102. Individual Criminal Responsibility
        http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/print/v2_rul_rule102
        and State Practice Relating to Rule 103. Collective Punishments
        http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/print/v2_rul_rule103

        The infamous Boxheim documents revealed Nazi plans to intern Jews and starve them out. link to archive.jta.org
        There is abundant evidence just like that which say that Israeli officials and their supporters view starvation; denial of the right to adequate supplies of food and water, to be free from hunger, and denial of the fundamental human rights, including freedom of movement as acceptable methods of warfare and population control aimed at terrorizing Palestinians and reducing the number of births in the Palestinian population of Israel or the occupied territories.
        *In their written submissions to the ICJ in the Wall Case, Palestine and other interested States alleged that Israel had deliberately committed illegal acts against the Palestinian people, including “the deliberate imposition on a group of living conditions calculated to cause its physical destruction in whole or in part”. See page 9 link to icj-cij.org
        *The Court’s findings of fact in the Wall case included reports that Israel had deliberately cut-off populations from their sources of sustenance and denied them the right to adequate supplies of food and water (paragraphs 132-134). link to icj-cij.org
        *The ICRC and UN treaty monitoring bodies have declared that the Gaza blockade is an illegal form of collective punishment. There have been reliable reports, including one from The Lancet, which illustrate that one direct result of the blockade is that a statistically significant proportion of the population exhibited signs of malnutrition, including stunted growth of children; permanent developmental disabilities; and shortened life expectancy. See:
        Gaza’s Stunted Growth Problem link to topics.blogs.nytimes.com
        ICRC – Gaza closure: not another year! link to icrc.org
        *Many public figures have made comments in support of the illegal Israeli sanctions on the basis of a perceived need to end “pro-natal subsidies” to Palestinians that result in either an undesirable Arab “fifth column” in Israel or a “surplus of angry young men” in the occupied territories. See
        Smear intifada link to martinkramer.org

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 1:46 pm

        “Judaism is the state religion of Israel. “jb

        No, Land theft, colonialism, oppression, ethnic cleansing and pillage are Israel,s State religion.

        In any case democracies do not have official State religions.

        But then Israel is not a democracy, is it.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 2:28 pm

        @amigo

        In any case democracies do not have official State religions.

        Really? OK name me some democracies and you know the next move. So get ready to defend how they weren’t really democracies say 50 years ago…

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 4:05 pm

        No reply button again.

        “Really? OK name me some democracies and you know the next move. So get ready to defend how they weren’t really democracies say 50 years ago… “jb

        I am not interested in who did what 50 years ago.

        This is about Israel–NOW.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 30, 2013, 8:03 pm

        JeffB “The barrier starts being constructed in 2003 and completes in 2008.”
        “That’s not a minor correlation. That’s a pretty good example of an effective technique.”

        Problem, your account doesn’t factor in the fact that A) the barrier hasn’t been completed and; B) there have been millions of opportunities since 2008 for Palestinians who regularly enter Israel illegally over, thru and where the barrier has nor been completed by the thousands every week.

        IOW Your correlation is propaganda for morons to perpetuate and for people who ether don’t think or check

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 3:06 pm

        @the Hasbara Buster:

        The Israeli citizens from Iqrit and Birim (Bir’am), who were forcibly expelled by the Jews in 1948, don’t enjoy the freedom to return to their villages, despite the written promises that were made to them at the time of their expulsion.

        Don’t worry, when peace comes, all refugees will be compensated and justice will be done to all including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq when they escaped the persecutions and returned their homeland, Israel.

        Israel withdrew from Gaza out of necessity, not under a peace agreement. While I reject any attack on civilians, this is not a case of a peace gesture paid back with war.

        I agree with you and I hope next time Israel withdrew only under peace agreement.

        Well, at least the Muslims allow Muslim man-Jewish woman couples. The Jews don’t allow any kind of intermarriage.

        You are mistaken. There is no law against intermarriage in Israel and there are several thousands of mixed couples (which I have no problem) of Muslims and Jews, although not Jewish men. I think you are confused between “Jews that don’t like this intermarriage” and “formal law against intermarriage”. For the first, I can agree, the second is not correct.

        Showcasing leavened products in Jewish-majority towns is forbidden in Pesach even if the baker is secular.

        Do you know the meaning of “respect”? look, the majority of Jews in Israel, even secular people, practice general Jewish laws (For instance, not many eat pork meat). Just to respect them, we don’t eat bread in Passover in the street in Jewish towns. I personally don’t fast in all Jewish fasting days, but I don’t eat outside since my neighbors fast. I call it “respect”. The same thing you can see in Arab towns: there are no alcohol and pork meat in restaurants and shops and people don’t use to eat outside in Ramadan.

        Correlation is not causality. Security experts agree that the fundamental cause for the decrease in the attacks is that the Palestinians renounced terror.

        They renounced terror because it was not effective since Israel took many measures including the wall.

        id you know that up to 3,000 Jews openly lived in Berlin…

        That’s makes all the difference. We are not speaking on a small fraction in the population. I invite you to Jerusalem to see how many Palestinians work in hospitals, universities, colleges, businesses, banks etc. as doctors, scientists, lecturers, businessmen, clerks etc. No, it is not a fringe.

        Look, Hasbara Buster, I have no intention to paint the situation in pink color. No, there is a lot of problems, lot of sufferings, many innocent people that pay the price of the conflict and a lot to improve. I hope that when our neighbors accept us as an integral part in the ME, many problems will be solved. The equality will come in a natural way to all, to Muhammad, to Leehee Rothschild and to Mahane. Salamat!

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 3:45 pm

        @MahaneYehude1

        Don’t worry, when peace comes, all refugees will be compensated and justice will be done to all including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq when they escaped the persecutions and returned their homeland, Israel.

        That was a good retort.

        I could throw in how I’m going to get compensated for my lost family lands in Ukraine. Except I don’t believe in the idea that families can pass property like that without government sanction. So I don’t I think I or the Palestinian descendants should get compensated.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 4:35 pm

        “I could throw in how I’m going to get compensated for my lost family lands in Ukraine.”jb

        Why would you get compensated.You are not a refugee.

        But how generous of you to give up something you are not entitled to claim Palestinian refugees are not entitled to compensation.

        I cannot but feel sorry for anyone who has you for a neighbor.You are evil personified.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 30, 2013, 6:14 pm

        “Except I don’t believe in the idea that families can pass property like that without government sanction.”

        LMAO. Better tell all the Jews suing in US courts trying to get back artwork stolen (or in some cases “stolen”) by the Nazis, without government sanction.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 30, 2013, 8:16 pm

        @amigo

        Up a level

        Why would you get compensated.You are not a refugee.
        But how generous of you to give up something you are not entitled to claim Palestinian refugees are not entitled to compensation.

        I’m 2.5 generations removed from refugees and under the definition you like to use where it is perpetual that makes me one.

      • The Hasbara Buster
        The Hasbara Buster
        December 30, 2013, 10:34 pm

        @JeffB, Mahane Yehude1

        That was a good retort.

        No, I’m afraid it’s not. We were discussing the rights enjoyed by Arabs in Israel. I pointed out that the Israeli Arab citizens from Iqrit and Bir’im were expelled from their villages, given a written promise that they would be allowed back, and then denied the right to return to their houses, which were demolished. Keep in mind that we’re talking about Israeli citizens, now living as internally displaced people.

        Mahane Yehude1 retorts that his family left property in Iraq. This is a non-sequitur, since we’re discussing Israel, not Iraq. The right of a group of Israeli Arabs to return to the villages they were expelled from, which was set forth in writing, was not respected, and these families don’t enjoy the freedom to live where they wish. Of course, there’s no analogous case of Jewish citizens being internally displaced in Israel.

        You are mistaken. There is no law against intermarriage in Israel

        I am not mistaken. Marriage in Israel is left to the different religions, since the country does not allow civil marriage in its territory. The Muslims perform some Muslim-Jewish marriages. The Jews don’t perform any marriage between people of different religions at all. Therefore, if there exists some intermarriage it’s thanks to the Muslims, not to the Jews.

        Just to respect them, we don’t eat bread in Passover in the street in Jewish towns.

        Again, you claimed that there’s no religious coertion in Israel and I cited a case of religious coertion. Whether such coertion stems from respect or not is irrelevant.

        That’s makes all the difference. We are not speaking on a small fraction in the population.

        The 3,000 Jews who survived in Berlin alone were more than 1% of all Jews living in Germany when WWII began. That is a far larger proportion than that of, say, Arabs among Israeli ambassadors since 1948. In other words, Jews who survived Nazism were marginal, but Israeli ambassadors who are Arab are even more marginal. The same holds true for Cabinet ministers, university lecturers and even Israel Electric Company employees.

        I hope that when our neighbors accept us as an integral part in the ME, many problems will be solved.

        The Arab league has repeatedly offered to recognize Israel if the country retreats to its 1967 borders. That was 97% of what Israel wanted. In the most recent offer, they even accepted that Israel could keep its largest settlements through territorial swaps. That’s 100% of Israel’s aspirations. But Israel has somehow managed to ignore this incredibly generous offer.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 31, 2013, 1:34 am

        @tree

        up a level

        Since you and your ancestors are free to return to the Ukraine and have chosen not to avail yourself of that freedom,

        How exactly am I free to return to Ukraine? Has anyone told the Ukrainians that? Moreover your argument is that I entitled to our old property. And let me just add during the late 20s I had family who went back to collect. They were killed.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 31, 2013, 1:39 am

        @JeffB “I’m 2.5 generations removed from refugees and under the definition you like to use where it is perpetual that makes me one”

        Twaddle. Palestinians who want their rights as refugees have not taken citizenship in any other country. They’d lose their refugee status.

        If you’re a citizen of the US, you’re not a refugee. UNHCR Statute

        7.
        Provided that the competence of the High Commissioner as defined in paragraph 6 above shall not extend to a person:
        (a)
        Who is a national of more than one country unless he satisfies the provisions of the preceding paragraph in relation to each of the countries of which he is a national; or
        (b)
        Who is recognized by the competent authorities of the country in which he has taken residence as having the rights and obligations which are attached to the possession of the nationality of that country; http://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b3628.html

        Why is it apologists for Israel are so ignorant?

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 31, 2013, 1:46 am

        @Hasbara

        No, I’m afraid it’s not. We were discussing the rights enjoyed by Arabs in Israel. I pointed out that the Israeli Arab citizens from Iqrit and Bir’im were expelled from their villages, given a written promise that they would be allowed back, and then denied the right to return to their houses, which were demolished. Keep in mind that we’re talking about Israeli citizens, now living as internally displaced people.

        If we are talking Israeli citizens in Israel proper they aren’t refugees nor are they entitled to anything. Governments can reallocate resources among their population as they choose. There is no right to return to their houses relative to the government. Every house in Israel is ultimately the Israeli Government’s house. Those villages exist for the benefit of the people AS DETERMINED BY THE STATE. The state has the right to add, subtract, move or adjust any villages for the benefit of its people.

        Now I’d agree Israel treats their Israeli Arabs badly and on that issue I’d tend to agree with a moderate adjustment in terms of treating them better. I’m against the drift towards racism though I think both sides are somewhat to blame. But let’s not accuse that strategic discussion with rights like an occupation or something.

        More importantly in terms of language. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel who need assimilation assistance so as to be able to fully participate. Palestinians are enemies of Israel. Israeli Arabs have the choice of how they want to identify, if they identify as the later they are enemies of the people and the state. I’m sure Israel had good reason to strip those enemies of a base of operations.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 31, 2013, 5:06 pm

        JeffB: If we are talking Israeli citizens in Israel proper they aren’t refugees nor are they entitled to anything. Governments can reallocate resources among their population as they choose.

        That’s completely incorrect. In many cases the land and property were expropriated for the private use of Jews. That’s pillage, and States are responsible for restoring property or paying compensation to the owners for their own internationally wrongful acts.

        Furthermore, the government of Israel is legally bound by the terms of the minority protection plan contained in resolution 181(II) and the terms of its own acceptance of the agreement. It acknowledged that undertaking during the hearings on its UN membership application. It has allowed Jews who were displaced as a result of the fighting in 1948 to retain their citizenship and return to their homes (e.g. the Etzion Bloc), but it discriminated against the Arab inhabitants.

        Since the Israeli Supreme Court has restored private property to new Jewish owners in East Jerusalem, based upon the transfer of 19th Century Ottoman era titles, this portion of the protection plan is particularly relevant to displaced Palestinian and Israeli Arab citizens:

        B. STEPS PREPARATORY TO INDEPENDENCE

        The Constituent Assembly of each State shall draft a democratic constitution for its State and choose a provisional government to succeed the Provisional Council of Government appointed by the Commission. The Constitutions of the States shall embody Chapters 1 and 2 of the Declaration provided for in section C below and include, inter alia, provisions for:

        Guaranteeing to all persons equal and non-discriminatory rights in civil, political, economic and religious matters and the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of religion, language, speech and publication, education, assembly and association;

        Preserving freedom of transit and visit for all residents and citizens of the other State in Palestine and the City of Jerusalem . . .

        C. DECLARATION

        A declaration shall be made to the United Nations by the Provisional Government of each proposed State before independence. It shall contain, inter alia, the following clauses:

        General Provision

        The stipulations contained in the Declaration are recognized as fundamental laws of the State and no law, regulation or official action shall conflict or interfere with these stipulations, nor shall any law, regulation or official action prevail over them.

        Chapter 2: Religious and Minority Rights
        Freedom of conscience and the free exercise of all forms of worship, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, shall be ensured to all.

        No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the ground of race, religion, language or sex.

        All persons within the jurisdiction of the State shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

        No expropriation of land owned by an Arab in the Jewish State (by a Jew in the Arab State) shall be allowed except for public purposes. In all cases of expropriation full compensation as fixed by the Supreme Court shall be paid previous to dispossession.

        Chapter 4: Miscellaneous Provisions

        The provisions of chapters 1 and 2 of the declaration shall be under the guarantee of the United Nations, and no modifications shall be made in them without the assent of the General Assembly of the United Nations. Any Member of the United Nations shall have the right to bring to the attention of the General Assembly any infraction or danger of infraction of any of these stipulations, and the General Assembly may thereupon make such recommendations as it may deem proper in the circumstances.

        Any dispute relating to the application or interpretation of this declaration shall be referred, at the request of either party, to the International Court of Justice, unless the parties agree to another mode of settlement.

        — UN resolution 181(II) http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/un/res181.htm

        So all of the land and property were expropriated illegally without any compensation prior to dispossession and Israel agreed to accept the jurisdiction of the ICC to resolve any dispute with the General Assembly over the terms of the agreement.

        During the 48th session of the Ad Hoc Political Committee that was considering Israel’s application for membership, the representative of Cuba asked if Israel had supplied the required declaration on minority rights? He noted that the rights were under United Nations guarantee. See pages 2-3 of the .pdf A/AC.24/SR.48
        Mr Abba Eban said he could answer in the affirmative and cited a cable from Foreign Minister Shertok to the Secretary General outlining the provisions of The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, which had been signed by the members of the People’s Council on 14 May 1948. Eban said he needed a little time to produce the documents. But he assured the Ad Hoc Committee that a declaration had been made by the Foreign Minister to the Secretary General on 15 May 1948.
        At the 51st session Mr Eban said that the rights stipulated in section C. Declaration, chapters 1 and 2 of UN resolution 181(II) had been constitutionally embodied as the fundamental law of the state of Israel as required by the resolution when the Declaration of Independence had been promulgated as law in the official gazette. See The Palestine Question, Henry Cattan, page 86-87 and the verbatim UN record, A/AC.24/SR.51
        Mr. Eban’s explanations and Israel’s acknowledgment of those undertakings were specifically noted in the text and footnotes of General Assembly Resolution 273 (III) “Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations”, 11 May 1949.
        The UN considers the minority protection plans that it concluded after WWII to be legal agreements that are still in force. See Chapter III The United Nations Charter And The Treaties Concluded After The War, resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947, “The Future Government of Palestine”, pages 22-23 in the Secretary General’s 1950 study on Minority Rights Legal Instruments, E/CN.4/367 link to un.org

        For example, The Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), have always cited Israel’s acceptance of the minority protection plan contained in resolution 181(II) as the source of Israel’s continuing legal obligations regarding the refugees:

        19. In this respect, it was pointed out that Israel was under binding obligation to permit the return of all the Palestinian refugees displaced as a result of the hostilities of 1948 and 1967. This obligation flowed from the unreserved agreement by Israel to honour its commitments under the Charter of the United Nations, and from its specific undertaking, when applying for membership of the United Nations, to implement General Assembly resolutions 181 (II) of 29 November 1947, safeguarding the rights of the Palestinian Arabs inside Israel, and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, concerning the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes or to choose compensation for their property. This undertaking was also clearly reflected in General Assembly resolution 273 (III).

        link to un.org

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        December 31, 2013, 5:46 pm

        @Hostage

        Replying regarding 181. 181 was a minority protection act when the state formed. I can see applicability during the 1940s, not in 2013. It is isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) seen as permanent. 181 is not a permanent denial of the right to govern its own territory to Israel. That was never the intent during the debate of 181 to make Israel into a UN colony unable to govern itself and allocate resources for its people in those people’s best interests.

        So no. 181 is dead internally. Israel retains every right at this point to use all the resources of the people and the state in the best interests of its people. All the property in Israel is ultimately the Israeli government’s. The state can pass property from Jews to Israeli Arabs as it does with the heavy subsidies for large families. The state can pass property from Israeli Arabs to Jews.

        If the UN believes that Israel is not acting in the best interests of its entire population, which is not an unreasonable claim at all, then of course it can castigate Israel for that. But it most certainly cannot strip Israel of its sovereignty for that. Israel is not the UN’s slave state. The UN does not own Israel. And Israel can and should absolutely unequivocally reject any claims of the UN makes to decide how best to allocate resources among the Israeli people based on 181.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 31, 2013, 7:11 pm

        @ JeffB “The state has the right to add, subtract, move or adjust any villages for the benefit of its people”

        Uh huh. You’d have no problem with Jews being dispossessed in an Arab state. Right?

        “More importantly in terms of language. Israeli Arabs are citizens of Israel who need assimilation assistance so as to be able to fully participate.”
        Oh my … http://wp.me/pDB7k-19Y in terms of language you’re waist deep in elephant sh*te

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        December 31, 2013, 11:19 pm

        JeffB: Replying regarding 181. 181 was a minority protection act when the state formed. I can see applicability during the 1940s, not in 2013. It is isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) seen as permanent.

        In its article on international law and treaties Britannica notes: “The concept known by the Latin formula pacta sunt servanda (“agreements must be kept”) is arguably the oldest principle of international law.”

        This was a treaty regarding fundamental human rights for minorities and religious groups that have not changed with the passage of time. Israel accepted it, knowing that it stipulated the rights cannot be altered without the consent of the General Assembly and that any dispute between the parties could be resolved by the ICJ.

        Sir Hersh Lauterpacht was elected to the Whewell Chair of International Law at Cambridge, published the Annual Digest of International Law (later renamed the International Law Reports), served as a legal advisor to the Jewish Agency on resolution 181(II), was a member of the International Law Commission, and a Judge on the International Court of Justice. He noted that the LoN (like the UN) had established permanent organs competent to hear directly from the minorities concerned by the treaties, and that once they became part of international law, the PCIJ and ICJ did not adopt a grudging interpretation of their scope or possibilities. He added:

        It is also in this sphere that the Court, in its determination to discourage evasion of international obligations, has affirmed on a number of occasions the self-evident principle of international law that a State cannot invoke its municipal law as a reason for the non-fulfilment of its international obligations

        — The Development of International Law by the International Court, page 262 http://books.google.com/books?id=piU8AAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA261&ots=Og6Yhjh177&pg=PA262#v=onepage&q&f=false

        The PCIJ and ICJ have repeatedly affirmed that “A treaty is based on the consent of the parties to it, is binding, and must be executed in good faith.

      • Shmuel
        Shmuel
        December 30, 2013, 4:44 pm

        Don’t worry, when peace comes, all refugees will be compensated and justice will be done to all including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq

        Most of the former residents of Iqrit and Bir’im are Israeli citizens. What does the outcome of negotiations with the PNA or Arab governments have to do with the justice denied to them by their own government, by force of broken promises, special decrees and spurious reasoning?

      • American
        American
        December 30, 2013, 5:15 pm

        Don’t worry, when peace comes, all refugees will be compensated and justice will be done to all including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq when they escaped the persecutions and returned their homeland, Israel.”…Mahane>>>>>>>>

        Why dont you go ahead and sue Israel right now for your lost property in Iraq?
        Here, I will help your case along with some verified proof of who actually persecuted you and caused you to lose your property.

        Ropes of Sand,
        Wilbur Crane Eveland
        Sr.Officer, CIA -Iraq

        ”In 1950, a bomb went off at the American Cultural Center and Library in Baghdad, causing property damage and injuring a number of people. The center was a favorite meeting place for young Jews.”

        The first bomb thrown directly at Jews occurred on April 8, 1950, at 9:15 p.m. A car with three young passengers hurled the grenade at Baghdad’s El-Dar El-Bida Café, where Jews were celebrating Passover. Four people were seriously injured. That night leaflets were distributed calling on Jews to leave Iraq immediately.

        The next day, many Jews, most of them poor with nothing to lose, jammed emigration offices to renounce their citizenship and to apply for permission to leave for Israel. So many applied, in fact, that the police had to open registration offices in Jewish schools and synagogues.

        On May 10, at 3 a.m., a grenade was tossed in the direction of the display window of the Jewish-owned Beit-Lawi Automobile Company, destroying part of the building. No casualties were reported.

        On June 3, 1950, another grenade was tossed from a speeding car in the El-Batawin area of Baghdad where most rich Jews and middle class Iraqis lived. No one was hurt, but following the explosion Zionist activists sent telegrams to Israel requesting that the quota for immigration from Iraq be increased.

        On June 5, at 2:30 a.m., a bomb exploded next to the Jewish-owned Stanley Shashua building on El-Rashid Street, resulting in property damage but no casualties.

        On January 14, 1951, at 7 p.m., a grenade was thrown at a group of Jews outside the Masouda Shem-Tov Synagogue. The explosive struck a high-voltage cable, electrocuting three Jews, one a young boy, Itzhak Elmacher, and wounding over 30 others. Following the attack, the exodus of Jews jumped to between 600-700 per day.

        Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country. The terrible truth is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.

        In attempts to portray the Iraqis as anti-American and to terrorize the Jews, the Zionists planted bombs in the U.S. Information Service library and in synagogues. Soon leaflets began to appear urging Jews to flee to Israel. . . Although the Iraqi police later provided our embassy with evidence to show that the synagogue and library bombings, as well as the anti-Jewish and anti-American leaflet campaigns, had been the work of an underground Zionist organization, most of the world believed reports that Arab terrorism had motivated the flight of the Iraqi Jews whom the Zionists had “rescued” really just in order to increase Israel’s Jewish population.[30]

        In 1955, for example, I organized in Israel a panel of Jewish attorneys of Iraqi origin to handle claims of Iraqi Jews who still had property in Iraq. One well known attorney, who asked that I not record his name, confided in me that the laboratory tests in Iraq had confirmed that the anti-American leaflets found at the American Cultural Center bombing were typed on the same typewriter and duplicated on the same stenciling machine as the leaflets distributed by the Zionist movement just before the April 8th bombing.

        Tests also showed that the type of explosive used in the Beit-Lawi attack matched traces of explosives found in the suitcase of an Iraqi Jew by the name of Yosef Basri.

        Basri, a lawyer, together with Shalom Salih, a shoemaker, would be put on trial for the attacks in December 1951 and executed the following month.

        Both men were members of Hashura, the military arm of the Zionist underground. Salih ultimately confessed that he, Basri and a third man, Yosef Habaza, carried out the attacks’’

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 5:47 pm

        @American:

        Nothing new. Now, after you read and learn about those events in 1950, please read little about the Farhud in Baghdad, in which 200 Jews were killed, 2,000 were injured, many women were raped while 900 Jewish homes and hundreds of Jewish-owned shops destroyed and looted. Their fault was that they were Jews!! For this I call “Persecutions and Pogroms”. Any way, thanks for the help.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

      • eljay
        eljay
        December 30, 2013, 6:44 pm

        >> … my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq when they escaped the persecutions and returned their homeland, Israel.

        Since your family’s homeland was Iraq, not Israel, your family did not return to their homeland.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 30, 2013, 6:33 pm

        “Don’t worry, when peace comes, all refugees will be compensated and justice will be done to all including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq…”

        Typical zionist “morality” – withholding justice from one person you’ve harmed because you have a bone to pick with an entirely different person who harmed you.

        “Just to respect them, we don’t eat bread in Passover in the street in Jewish towns.”

        What I don’t get is that you bulldoze people’s homes because they committed the crime of buidling while Arab, but you don’t eat bread on Passover. Oh, wait, now I get it. The non-bread-eaters are Jews, while the people-who-want-to-live-in-their-homes are Arabs. Now it all makes sense. What “respectful” humanitarians you israelis are.

        “although not Jewish men”

        I’m guessing there’s a potato seller who’s looking for an excuse for all the rejection in his life…

        “I hope that when our neighbors accept us as an integral part in the ME, many problems will be solved.”

        MY1, when you are going to stop the delusion? The Arab Peace Plan has been a low-hanging fruit ready to be plucked for over a decade. Your “neighbors” have already offered to accept you, and have given you a much better acceptance than you deserve. Yet you continue to pretend that it doesn’t exist and that it is them that rejects you. Do you not see how delusional you seem?

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 31, 2013, 12:31 am

        Woody Tanaka:

        I’m guessing there’s a potato seller who’s looking for an excuse for all the rejection in his life…

        When you write ad hominem like above, I know you have no argument at all. Don’t forget that MW started with all this issue of “Intermarriage”, so I have the right to say my opinion and tell the truth about those “Intermarriage” and who really objects them.

        I will not reply to the rest of your comment, until you stop with the personal attacks. I never attacked you, but always respected you although I don’t like your positions.

        Wish you Happy New Year.

      • tree
        tree
        December 31, 2013, 12:41 am

        I’m 2.5 generations removed from refugees and under the definition you like to use where it is perpetual that makes me one.

        Since you and your ancestors are free to return to the Ukraine and have chosen not to avail yourself of that freedom, you no longer fit the UN definition of a refugee. Palestinian refugees do not have that choice at the moment and until they do and choose not to return, they continue to be refugees. This is the rule for all refugees from whatever country or place they fled.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        December 31, 2013, 6:15 am

        MY1
        “When you write ad hominem like above, I know you have no argument at all.”

        LMAO. No, I’m simply commenting by use of humor of your obsessive attention to this point and your fixation with a rationale which excuses israeli action while ignoring the two obvious reasons why the disparity exists.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 30, 2013, 7:54 pm

        MahaneYehude1 “all refugees will be compensated”

        Israel can’t afford it

        “..and justice will be done to all”

        Israel will adhere to the law, return to its actual borders?

        “including my family that left all her properties and homes in Iraq “

        They could have gone back to Iraq where their assets were frozen (normal) except Israeli law (1948 – til today) forbade Israeli residents & citizens (as they’d become) from entering the territory of entities it considered hostile.

        Now they’re not refugees, they have no rights or claims as refugees.

        You’re spouting nonsense

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 31, 2013, 12:22 am

        @talknic:

        Israel can afford it. When peace comes and an independent state of Palestine will be established, Israel should not destroy the settlements houses, but give them to the Palestinian refugees. Further more, Arab countries will also have to participate in this solution and compensate the Arab Jews for their properties (Only the compensations for the property left in Cairo will be enough!).

        The final borders of Israel and Palestine will be determined by both parties.

        Even without the Israeli law, I don’t believe many Jews return to Iraq. Just see what happens to other minorities in Iraq and other Arab countries. Israel is our home and the only home.

        I didn’t say my parents are refugees now, I said that they left all their properties behind when they escaped from persecutions and Antisemitism. The state of Israel gave shelter and home to any Jewish refugee, including my family. This is the main principle of the Zionist movement – shelter and home for the Jewish people in his homeland!

        “You’re spouting nonsense” – Yes, and for those nonsense I received hundreds of replies. Strange, very strange. Thanks.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 31, 2013, 6:56 am

        MahaneYehude1 ” When peace comes and an independent state of Palestine will be established, Israel should not destroy the settlements houses, but give them to the Palestinian refugees.”

        A) Miniscule compared to compensation for 65 years illegally acquiring territory, confiscating property etc etc etc etc
        B) Maybe they’d rather not live in lego land dwellings designed for a Jewish way of life & built by money grubbers who had no sympathy for the landscape

        “Further more, Arab countries will also have to participate in this solution and compensate the Arab Jews for their properties”

        Why? The Palestinians didn’t drive them out the Arab states and had no say in the governments of the Arab states.

        Israel proclaimed 56% of Palestine as its own in part because of the Holocaust, which happened in Europe and wasn’t perpetrated by the Palestinians.

        Then Israel illegally acquired by war another 50% of what remained of Palestine.

        Now you want to deny them even more based on something else they didn’t do.

        BTW Have you ever wondered why no such Arab Jewish claims have ever gained traction?

        “The final borders of Israel and Palestine will be determined by both parties”

        New borders will be negotiated by both parties. As they stand now, hundreds of thousands of Israelis do not live in Israel. The Palestinians however have no legal obligation even in negotiations to forgo an inch of their rightful territories under the Laws Israel agreed to uphold.

        Under those same laws, Israel must withdraw from all non-Israeli territory.

        Israel is entirely dependent on how far they can push Palestinian generosity via the blackmail of the UNSC veto vote

        “Israel is our home and the only home”

        Strange there are a lot of our fellows in Australia, the US, even Iran, where they don’t want to leave

        “The state of Israel gave shelter and home to any Jewish refugee, including my family. This is the main principle of the Zionist movement – shelter and home for the Jewish people in his homeland!”

        Bravo! Well said!! So get the &*@( out of Palestine and go live in Israel.

        “for those nonsense I received hundreds of replies. Strange, very strange.”

        Nothing strange about it. There are hundreds of ways to point out the hundreds of holes in the wholly holey old Hasbara

    • amigo
      amigo
      December 30, 2013, 12:12 pm

      “In my country there is a religious system for orthodox Jews who decided to live their lives in their way, one of the basis rights in Israel. Secular people also free to live their lives in their way and no one forces them to follow the religious laws.”mahane 1,2 or 3??????.

      Really????>

      https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israeli_Segregated_buses

      “The Palestinians, who are citizens of the state of Israel, enjoy excellent medical treatment, education in high level colleges and universities and high standards of living the same as the Jewish citizens. They enjoy freedom and democracy like all other citizens, many of them serving in senior positions in Israel like members of parliament,”MAHANE 1,2 OR 3????

      Really , so name me one Palestinian Israeli who has risen to the highest position in the following,.

      Defense Ministry,Finance Ministry,Foreign Ministry,Religious Affairs Ministry,(only in Israel),Ministry of education,Ministry of Health,Ministry oh Haousing and Construction,Ministry of Internal Affairs , Ministry of Transport,Ministry of Public Security,Ministry for the development of the Negev and Galilee,Industry , Trade and labor Ministry etc etc etc.

      There are more and the only one you will find, which has zero power and is just a fig leaf is at the Culture ministry.

      I have not mentioned the 30 + discriminatory laws passed by your so called Democratic Gov against Non Jews.I am sure some of the others here will provide you with that list.

      BTW , who penned this elongated drivel for you.the English is notably improved.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 2:07 pm

        @Amigo;

        When someone that never visited Israel, reads Leehee Rothschild letter to Cyndi Lauper, he would think the all buses in Israel are segregated. But, both of us know that this story about buses segregation doesn’t worth any mention. Few buses in few religious neighborhoods is a fringe. The way Leehee described it, does injustice to Israel (as she described other things).

        No, I can’t name one Palestinian Israeli who has risen to the highest position in your list of positions. A minister is not a job, but a consequence of a political power. When the Palestinian accept us, their parties would join the government coalition, then you will see several in those positions.

        Others already mentioned the 30+ “discriminatory laws” and I already wrote my opinion about them in a comprehensive way. Please, look at my profile.

        Thanks for the compliment about my English, although I think I don’t desert it since I wrote “Cindy”. see, Amigo, I have a lot to learn!!

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 3:00 pm

        “When someone that never visited Israel, reads Leehee Rothschild letter to Cyndi Lauper, he would think the all buses in Israel are segregated. But, both of us know that this story about buses segregation doesn’t worth any mention. Few buses in few religious neighborhoods is a fringe. The way Leehee described it, does injustice to Israel (as she described other things).”Mahane 1,2 or 3???.

        Anyone reading your letter would assume Israel is nirvana and there should be NO discrimination on public transport in a “DEMOCRACY”.It teels us a lot about you who condemns the price tag terrorists but refuses to make a comment on the State that blames the Palestinians victims by suggesting it is their own fault.Stand up coward and make a comment.

        “A minister is not a job, but a consequence of a political power. When the Palestinian accept us, their parties would join the government coalition, then you will see several in those positions. “mahane 1 , 2 or 3???>

        Hmmm, so how does that balance with your post above,??

        “The Palestinians, who are citizens of the state of Israel, enjoy excellent medical treatment, education in high level colleges and universities and high standards of living the same as the Jewish citizens. They enjoy freedom and democracy like all other citizens, many of them serving in senior positions in Israel like members of parliament, judges, journalists, scientists, police and army officers, business men etc.”mahane 1,2 or 3?????.

        Wow, major contradiction.Well done for showing us your cards.You are a racist troll but not a very smart one.

        I was not complimenting your English but the actual writer.

      • eljay
        eljay
        December 31, 2013, 10:23 am

        >> This is the main principle of the Zionist movement – shelter and home for the Jewish people in his homeland!

        The main principle of the Zionist movement was and remains the existence of a colonialist, expansionist and supremacist “Jewish State” for people of the Jewish faith worldwide at the expense of the indigenous population and of non-Jewish minorities.

        In its conception and execution, and in the way it continues to be supported by supremacist Jews like you, the principle was and remains hateful, immoral and unjust.

    • amigo
      amigo
      December 30, 2013, 1:09 pm

      “The Palestinians, who are citizens of the state of Israel, enjoy excellent medical treatment, education in high level colleges and universities and high standards of living the same as the Jewish citizens.”mahane 1,2 0r 3 ???>

      You dont say, well explain the following then?.

      http://www.wrmea.org/wrmea-archives/191-washington-report-archives-1994-1999/january-february-1998/12037-other-voices-israeli-discrimination-against-non-jews-is-carefully-codified-in-state-of-israel-s-laws.htmlIsraeli Discrimination Against Non-Jews Is Carefully Codified in State of Israel’s Laws

      By Dr. Israel Shahak

      The legal system of the State of Israel can be described as a weird mixture of advanced democracy and retrogressive discrimination, combined with clumsy attempts to hide the discriminatory reality. For example, in all Israeli laws except one, the Law of Return, the word “Jew” does not appear. The term employed when the law gives discriminatory privileges to Jews is that those privileges are granted to “persons who would have benefited from the Law of Return had they been outside the borders of Israel.” The Law of Return specifies that its benefits can be given only to Jews. However, Israeli propagandists calculate, correctly in my view, that a great majority of the opponents of discrimination would not dare to criticize this law.

      The second trick, especially beloved by the Meretz Party and other “leftist” hypocrites, is to campaign for and then pass a high-sounding law in favor of equality or human rights. Such laws, however, always contain one little paragraph stating that their provisions will not affect any laws or regulations enacted in the past. The high-sounding preambles of the new laws then can be solemnly quoted without mentioning that since discriminatory laws and rules were passed in the 1950s and early 1960s (by Labor, of course), the new laws cannot change the existing discrimination. When one understands those two tricks, one comprehends that Israeli laws, and even more so government regulations on all possible subjects, are full of discriminatory measures which, if employed against Jews anywhere else in the world, would be regarded as anti-Semitic.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      December 30, 2013, 1:52 pm

      It’s astounding how many lies you pack into these sentences MahaneYehuda1 (#1, I’m assuming. This is too well written to be MahaneYehuda1 #2 or #3.) From the first sentence where your fail to properly identify occupied Palestine, to the last, when you pretend that al-Quds is named something else and is located in the zionist entity. Just loaded with lie after lie.

    • Sammar
      Sammar
      December 30, 2013, 1:57 pm

      Mahane Yehude –

      pardon my French, but you are full of ..it. Your letter to Cindy is full of lies.

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 2:21 pm

        @Sammar:

        I am not a genius like you and don’t understand what come behind “full of …it”.

        My letter to Cyndi was written by a man that lives in Jerusalem, sees the sufferings of the Palestinians and the Israelis, sees the real truth and wants peace. I know that the truth is little painful, and sorry for that. If you call it “lies”, let it be. Shukran Jazilan!!!

      • libra
        libra
        December 30, 2013, 3:15 pm

        MahaneYehude1: I am not a genius…

        Maybe so Mahane, but surely we have to go all the way back to the explorer and novelist Sir Walter Raleigh to find the humble potato connected with such a fine writer of English prose as your good self.

        That said, the story about Raleigh introducing the potato to Europe is apparently as mythical as the rose-tinted view of Israel you so eloquently pen. Perhaps even as mythical as your market stall.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 30, 2013, 4:46 pm

        Mahane , I am still awaiting your reply (4th request) on the State of Israel blaming The price tag terrorist attacks on the victims, ie , the Palestinians themselves.

        Do you agree with the GOI ????.

    • talknic
      talknic
      December 30, 2013, 4:08 pm

      @ Mahane Yehuda
      illegal settler
      Jerusalem Palestine

      Impeccable English. You’re far too clever for your own good

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 4:17 pm

        @talknic:

        according to Woody Tanaka, it should be Al-Quds;
        http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/entertain-segregation-equality.html/comment-page-1#comment-625285

        any way, thanks for the compliment. Wish you Happy New Year.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 30, 2013, 8:27 pm

        @ MahaneYehude1 ” thanks for the compliment”

        A person who thinks they’re being complimented for revealing themselves as an obvious and poorly executed fake online persona probably has a need for self gratification

      • MahaneYehude1
        MahaneYehude1
        December 30, 2013, 11:58 pm

        @talknic:

        The “obvious and poorly executed fake online persona” exists only in your imagination. Your “assumption” is based on nothing. You are too smart person to know that someone from Brooklyn, for instance, can’t write comments like me unless he lived in Jerusalem for long time. Wish you Happy New Year.

      • talknic
        talknic
        December 31, 2013, 7:48 pm

        MahaneYehude1 “Your “assumption” is based on nothing”

        It’s based on your impeccable English when it appears you forget to fake poor English and; when faking, your choice of words shows a very good knowledge of English. Words which would not normally be used by someone with a poor grasp of English.

        “You are too smart person to know that someone from Brooklyn, for instance, can’t write comments like me unless he lived in Jerusalem for long time”

        Nonsense. You haven’t written anything that can’t be easily found on the internet

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      December 31, 2013, 7:07 am

      MY1…..Oh dear, why am I always having such trouble keeping a polite tongue inside my twitching lips!

      • puppies
        puppies
        December 31, 2013, 8:06 pm

        @talknic:
        Tsk, tsk. Hishertheir multisplit personality is more to be pitied than berated, the more so as the main public health problem among Zionists has always been schizophrenia, next of course to kleptomania.
        Besides, remember the extra-large new budget for internet propaganda and the restructuring of the “Hasbara” directorate general under the direct supervision of the Yahoo himself? The hasbara contractors are to work in teams now: one to copy and paste the talking points of the day, one to translate when needed, another to adapt the language to the imagined persona, yet another to check for adherence to the party line, etc.

  6. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    December 30, 2013, 9:48 am

    what is it with all these has-beens wanting to perform in the zionists entity??? oh yeay, money!!!!!! (no one else is listening to them any more….. what a shame, they sold their souls)

  7. Waterbuoy
    Waterbuoy
    December 30, 2013, 3:06 pm

    HEY! I used to like Cyndi Lauper. Great talent. Great to see her back performing. However, if she performs in Israel before the end of apartheid, I will never watch her or buy her work again.

  8. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    December 31, 2013, 4:19 am

    Glad to see so many pro-palestinian/pro-peace people commenting on her Facebook. Check it!

    https://www.facebook.com/officialcyndilauper

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