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Kerry's note in Netanyahu's guestbook gets the year wrong

Kerry’s note in Netanyahu’s guestbook

Random notes from news coverage of the peace talks.

What common mistake did John Kerry make in his note in Netanyahu’s guest book, tweeted by the State Department? Got the year wrong.

And notice the language: “We have a good deal of work to do!” Scott Roth translates: “That’s diplomatic code for ‘F— yourself you petulant arrogant prick.'”

Ira Glunts sent along this amendment:

Kerry's on photoshopped note.

Speaking today in Jerusalem, Kerry said that both sides are taking courageous steps toward a “framework” agreement that is not even an interim agreement. Kerry boasted that he had a 100 percent voting record for Israel’s security during 29 years in the Senate, then he said he is going to Saudi Arabia to press the Arab Peace Initiative (i.e., pressure on the Palestinians) because of the importance of the conflict to the world.

The stakes here are much bigger than just Israel and Palestine. This is a conflict that is felt around the world. It is a conflict that has implications with every leader I have met anywhere in the world as Secretary of State or a senator. They all ask about the conflict of the Middle East and whether or not it can be resolved.

Too true. But Kerry’s indices of progress in the talks are somewhat vague.

the path is becoming clearer, the puzzle is becoming more defined, and it is becoming much more apparent to everybody what the remaining tough choices are

And under questioning, he said there will be an end to all this.

The answer is yes. I have a deadline in mind.

AFP says the end is April, and it is reporting that the Israelis have openly rejected any plan that would force them to leave the Jordan Valley.

“Security must remain in our hands. Anyone who proposes a solution in the Jordan Valley by deploying an international force, Palestinian police or technological means … does not understand the Middle East,” Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz told Israeli public radio.

Peace Now’s review of the Hebrew media says this is a red herring.

Maariv had a scoop revealing that former Mossad chief Meir Dagan said the Jordan Beqaa Valley has no strategic importance for Israel’s security, a very important statement when the Valley has become a sticking point in negotiations. “I have no problem with the political demand that the valley should be part of the State of Israel,” said Dagan said in a lecture at a Kfar Saba café last week, according to Maariv. “Such a position is permissible. What bothers me is that it’s being depicted as some kind of security problem. There is no Iraqi army, there is no eastern front. There’s peace with Jordan. I don’t like the talk that the valley is essential to Israel’s security.”
Haaretz+ and Maan both share quotes in English from the article.

But The New York Times is echoing the Israeli talking points, describing the Jordan Valley as a strategic corrridor:

As negotiators struggle to make headway in peace talks, they remain at odds over the strategic corridor that runs between the populous heartland of the West Bank and the border with Jordan.

A friend comments: 

This is one for the “Times is behind the times” file.  This piece calls the Jordan River Valley a “strategic corridor” the same day Ha’aretz runs a piece quoting former Mossad head Meir Dagan saying it has no strategic importance to Israel. Of course, if you read both articles, it is clear the issue is really Israeli domestic politics and the settler tail wagging the Israeli and American dog.  Power of the Master Narrative is evident yet again!  Wonder if they’re already working on a piece blaming Palestinians for failure of Kerry initiative?

Peace Now’s daily briefing has some other excellent moments:

chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said that if Abbas were Mother Teresa it wouldn’t be enough for Israel. He also said he fears for Abbas’ life after reading letters from Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman addressed to various European countries demanding the removal of Abbas, who Lieberman deemed a danger to Israel. Ynet reported that while Kerry met with Abbas, about 150 Palestinians demonstrators marched through the streets of downtown Ramallah to protest Kerry’s visit, chanting, “The people want the fall of the framework!…It’s clear, Kerry, we don’t want to see you! The Americans are the enemy of our people!” Yasser Abed Rabbo, Abbas’s deputy in the Palestine Liberation Organization, said the framework plan restricts Palestinian sovereignty on Palestinian land and that “the Palestinian side will not even look at a worthless piece of paper, a framework agreement, which contains general principles for later negotiations, when the two sides have already been negotiating for months and years.”

 

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  1. Semiotic Observer
    Semiotic Observer
    January 5, 2014, 12:19 pm

    I don’t see “of work” in the note. It looks like “We have a good deal to do!”

    It is hard to tell what he meant by “deal”. It could mean “a lot”, “an agreement”, or as a verb, “to administer”, as in “deal someone a blow!”

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 5, 2014, 2:43 pm

      @ Semiotic Observer
      I don’t know what country you were raised in, nor what your first language is, but in America popular speech, Kerry means we have a lot of work to do. Given Bibi N’s past life in America, he knows exactly what it means: We are at odds on some serious aspects of a deal, so we both need to work harder to come to a viable agreement. The alternative rendition is Kerry is being sarcastic: See Scott Roth’s translation of the American popular idiom. My guess it is both; Kerry’s eternal, egotistical hope he can persuade Bibi coupled with the feeling he, Kerry has worked his ass off, and it’s time Bibi acknowledge his good attentions–hence the mention of his 100% voting record for anything presented as for Israel’s security. In short, Kerry feels Bibi N is a stiff-necked prick and liar.

    • Ira Glunts
      Ira Glunts
      January 5, 2014, 9:39 pm

      Sem, I read it as “We have a great deal to do.” Double entendre. Very clever.

      Compare “r” and “e” in friendship.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        January 5, 2014, 10:58 pm

        Double entendre. Very clever.

        That’s funny. I thought about SNL’s fellate-a-donkey for Israel skit when Semiotic Observer was trying to parse Kerry’s meaning as “to administer”, as in “deal someone a blow!”

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        January 6, 2014, 2:26 am

        hmm, now that you say so it surfaces clearly. Although I had deal-Abbas-a-blow in mind. But no matter which way, it will be find with S.O, it feels.

    • LeaNder
      LeaNder
      January 5, 2014, 10:29 pm

      SO, if you would have dropped the “of” in “of work”, maybe citizen would have grasped your sarcasm. Or did I get that wrong?

      By the way I am a fan of the semantic historical layers:

      makom, olam, YHWH.

      • Semiotic Observer
        Semiotic Observer
        January 6, 2014, 8:06 am

        @ LeaNder, you are correct. Sarcasm was part of my intention. I think I sabotaged it by starting with a serious attempt to point out an inaccuracy; the quote in the third paragraph under the first image:

        And notice the language: “We have a good deal of work to do!”

  2. annie
    annie
    January 5, 2014, 12:32 pm

    Scott Roth translates: “That’s diplomatic code for ‘F— yourself you petulant arrogant prick.’”

    ha! and that’s one upside of being the publisher, you get so say stuff on the front page i could never get away with!

    ;)

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      January 5, 2014, 4:30 pm

      Me too Annie!
      ;)

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        January 6, 2014, 6:06 am

        Annie, Phil, Scott……You ARE good !!!!

      • annie
        annie
        January 6, 2014, 11:17 am

        thank you! we try ;)

  3. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    January 5, 2014, 12:48 pm

    One big thing Kerry cannot refer to is the proper legal alternative to I/P failure to make peace — an alternative that should have been triggered in all minds by 1968 (if not by 1980 when UNSC resolved UNSC 465 calling for removal of all settlers and demolition of all settlements).

    The EU should propose this, or at least start to talk about it. If baby steps are all that are available, then baby (or suckling-infant) steps should be taken.

    An EU discussion of the illegality of the settlements and of the DUTY of all states to see to their removal (and the removal of the wall and the settlers) for the lifetime of the occupation — such a discussion would do more for peacve than all that Kerry has done.

  4. Shmuel
    Shmuel
    January 5, 2014, 12:51 pm

    The stakes here are much bigger than just Israel and Palestine. This is a conflict that is felt around the world. It is a conflict that has implications with every leader I have met anywhere in the world as Secretary of State or a senator. They all ask about the conflict of the Middle East and whether or not it can be resolved.

    But if anyone dares to take a stand against occupation, settlement or other obstacles to peace, they are “singling Israel out”.

    This is one for the “Times is behind the times” file. This piece calls the Jordan River Valley a “strategic corridor” the same day Ha’aretz runs a piece quoting former Mossad head Meir Dagan saying it has no strategic importance to Israel.

    The “strategic importance” is not about invasion from the east (Dagan’s point), but about Israeli control over Palestinian lives – specifically placing physical limits on their contact with the greater Arab world. Palestinian isolation – both external and internal – is a key Israeli strategy, in occupation and in “peace”.

    • HarryLaw
      HarryLaw
      January 5, 2014, 1:33 pm

      Shmuel @ “about Israeli control over Palestinian lives” Yes of course, I have never heard of a prison with only three walls, Gaza Mk 2 is the aim, wall em up, and torment them till they leave.

  5. American
    American
    January 5, 2014, 1:04 pm

    To settle I/P begin at the beginning.
    UN Res 181.
    That was the ‘contract’ for the establishment of Israel.
    Israel has violated the contract.
    No exceptions for ‘facts on the ground’ or for it being a Jewish state.
    This is law, logic and justice 101.
    The US will never do it because ….”Kerry boasted that he had a 100 percent voting record for Israel’s security during 29 years in the Senate”.
    Same crap time after time.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 5, 2014, 2:55 pm

      Kerry’s telling Bibi, “I’ve done everything Israel wants for 29 years, why can’t Israel toss me a few bones so I can go down in history as somebody important and earn some retirement grease out of it all?”

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      January 5, 2014, 3:34 pm

      Israel is still torturing because it never ran the proposal for the Disneyland by the locals. They were never consulted and if they ever are Zionism is finished. So the torture goes on.

  6. just
    just
    January 5, 2014, 1:04 pm

    “It is a conflict that has implications with every leader I have met anywhere in the world as Secretary of State or a senator. They all ask about the conflict of the Middle East and whether or not it can be resolved.”

    And the US has aided and abetted the wrong ‘side’ forever…….enabling the cruel and illegal occupation. Supporting the theft of land, lives and resources from the indigenous Palestinians……….and voting against the rest of the world at the UNSC in lone support of the pariah state.

    Is there an end in sight to our madness, Mr. Kerry???

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 5, 2014, 3:08 pm

      @ just
      I read the first thing diplomats around the world ask American diplomats about is the I-P conflict. A prominent American said that was the experience–I forget who. Surely all our diplomats are not thick; they must know the diplomats the world over want the US to quit kowtowing to Israel in every way because such behavior (“the US-Israel “special relationship” in constant action before the eyes of the World) is not conducive to really accomplishing anything that would be major help to the world’s conflicts.

      This is because US is the only superpower. It has nothing to do with Israel except the US makes it so. Israel seriously handicaps the world’s best efforts to make things better for everyone through its 5th Column in the Superpower’s head.

      Money is only a means to an end. The US campaign finance system determines the success of any end, except in rare popular serf uprising, e.g., what happened when our executive and legislative branch were ready to go to war on Syria.

  7. ritzl
    ritzl
    January 5, 2014, 1:24 pm

    Kerry to Chinese leaders: We need to ease this tension in the South China Sea.

    Chinese: Solve the Palestinian tension first.

    Kerry: But…

    Chinese: …Out! [Adds public diplo-speak parting.] We really enjoy these conversations and look forward to participating in more of your unique efforts to solve regional tensions.

    • Shmuel
      Shmuel
      January 5, 2014, 1:30 pm

      Chinese: …Out! [Adds public diplo-speak parting.] We really enjoy these conversations and look forward to participating in more of your unique efforts to solve regional tensions.

      … and thank you for your friendship and leadership. We have a good deal to do.

  8. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 5, 2014, 2:56 pm

    “Thank your for..your leadership.”

    Bibi is up there with the greatest leaders of the 21st century such as Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers and Donald Rumsfeld of Iraq

  9. mcohen
    mcohen
    January 5, 2014, 3:22 pm

    ‘This is a conflict felt around the world,’ Kerry says on his tenth trip
    Philip Weiss on January 5, 2014

    This piece calls the Jordan River Valley a “strategic corridor

    the fall of anbar province together with jihadi buidup in syria points to an all out sunni attack on israels eastern border end of 2014-2015.

    there is no way that israel can pull out of the west bank while sunni forces buildup in iraq and syria.

    the palestinians have no intention of recognizing a jewish state and aim to retake all of israel and turn it into a moslem state.they have made there intentions quite clear

    why bother with countering bds ,sanctions,peace talks, ama, asa, and whatever stratergy the arabs are employing to weaken israel

    those that support israel must realise that soon will come the time to stand and defend israel on israeli soil.this realization is crucial and must be pointed out in communities worldwide

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      January 5, 2014, 4:27 pm

      Sensationalist BS from Hasbara central.
      Why can’t Israel afford human rights for Palestinians?

      • mcohen
        mcohen
        January 5, 2014, 10:46 pm

        seafoid says:
        January 5, 2014 at 4:27 pm
        Sensationalist BS from Hasbara central.

        absolutely agree,a sure sign of whats to come,

        http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/north-lebanon-library-torched

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        January 6, 2014, 10:29 am

        4th largest army in the world and scared of jihad? Another excuse to deny people living under the Jewish boot rights. It is not going to end well. Jews need law. For the future.

    • The Truth
      The Truth
      January 5, 2014, 4:56 pm

      “the palestinians have no intention of recognizing a jewish state and aim to retake all of israel and turn it into a moslem state.they have made there intentions quite clear”

      The official position of the Palestinians, including, Hamas, as well as EVERY Arab state, is peace and friendly relations with Israel, as soon as they obey International law and consensus, and make peace on the pre-67 borders. Until Israel makes the peace-deal, militant Palestinians will continue to fight Israel, both verbally and physically, which is a moral and legal right they have.

      On the issue of Israel occupying land for “safety concerns”. This is not a serious argument, or a recognized policy. Israel (or any country) could (and has) justify endless occupations and wars, in the name of additional security against a far-off “threat”.

      • mcohen
        mcohen
        January 5, 2014, 6:32 pm

        The truth says

        “The official position of the Palestinians, including, Hamas, as well as EVERY Arab state, is peace and friendly relations with Israel”

        Yes that is in fact true

      • Basilio
        Basilio
        January 6, 2014, 1:23 am

        With all due respect, Mcohen, you’re speculating. You don’t have pronouncements from Abbas stating that. On the contrary, both Hamas and the PLO said they recognize 242, but Israel refuses to accept 242. That’s what gives BDS more fuel for their political fire. You’re implying that the Palestinians’ statements can’t be trust, but how has Israel been a trustworthy partner when it seizes land and destroys homes after having signed Oslo?

        Not only that, Olmert’s government had certain proposals, then his successors just ignore that. When Hamas initially had a similar for a brief period, sanctions were on them like flies on honey, but it never happened to Israel. Israel keeps moving the goal posts and then says the Arabs are not trustworthy. How is Israel trustworthy when it keeps acting thus? Many Palestinians would accept one state where there’s a constitutional guarantee for religious freedom for all. You’re assuming everyone insists on some Muslim domination thing. You’re engaging in propaganda, I’m afraid.

    • annie
      annie
      January 5, 2014, 5:53 pm

      the fall of anbar province together with jihadi buidup in syria points to an all out sunni attack on israels eastern border end of 2014-2015.

      there is no way that israel can pull out of the west bank while sunni forces buildup in iraq and syria.

      and that is exactly why it’s in zionist expansionists interest to empower conflict in the region as a pretense for continued expansion and NOT dealing with the longest running refugee problem in the world today. as long as israel and the US empower extremism (exactly the tactic used in iraq and syria) there can always be the pretense of “no way that israel can pull out of the west bank”. hasbara #FAIL

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        January 5, 2014, 10:19 pm

        sooo sick, so boring, so much in love with war scenarios, pure hasbarah delirium. Israel definitively has overstepped the mark, there is no way back to the desired clash between West and East, war on terrorism scenario. Although? Who knows what this-never-look-back-blunder-ahead-mindset is able to produce.

        It definitively will create interest in closer looks at the history, as pabelmonts comment above suggests. This is a really good book by the way, Annie. And a lot of the people she quotes are highly interesting too. Quite a few interesting women too. ;) I definitively studied the wrong subjects.

        Thus on one hand this simplistic world view cannot survive into the next decades, on the other the US Israel inspired blunders with it’s ME-pacification/regime change-neocon/lib-hawkish-armchair-general warrior mentality may well produce what this mcohen, seem to long for. What about the grand scale Samson Option for us all? Can you see the whole scenario he paints without a serious disaster or involvement for the West at large or at least the US? I cannot.

      • annie
        annie
        January 7, 2014, 2:28 am

        thanks for the link LeaNder, it does look like a really good book.

    • ahhiyawa
      ahhiyawa
      January 5, 2014, 5:59 pm

      Classic Zionist befuddlement that is totally oblivious to the ruin they are ardently marching towards due to a mix of ideological and theological blinkers. Contrary to what this Zionist believes BDS is a very big deal, far bigger and potentially far more destructive than the sanctions regime against Iran.

      An excerpt from a Harretz analysis by Barak Ravid:
      Swell of boycotts driving Israel into international isolation

      “The marking of produce from the [Palestinian] territories is on hold at this stage,” the European diplomat said to his Israeli interlocutor. “However, should the negotiations with the Palestinians run aground you should expect a deluge of sanctions.” The Israeli official was taken aback by the sharp words. “Aren’t the circumstances of a breakdown in negotiations relevant,” he asked. The European replied laconically, “the way things look now, you will be the losers in the blame game.”

      Israel has lost the global community, and if they continue to play their hands badly with their only and last defender, they’ll lose the US of A too.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 6, 2014, 5:06 am

        Looks like a very interesting article, ahhiyawa, do have a bit more of it to post? It’s behind a pay wall.

      • Elisabeth
        Elisabeth
        January 7, 2014, 3:47 am

        There is a trick I learned here on avoiding the Haaretz paywall:
        Copy the title of the article, then do a search in yahoo everything. The haaretz article will usually be the first article listed. Click on ‘ cached’ and you can read the article.

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 7, 2014, 4:27 am

        Thanks, Elisabeth, it worked. Great comprehensive BDS article that covers a lot of boycott issues not favourable to Israel and the impending deluge of worldwide boycotts against it. A small sampling of Haaretz’ “Swell of boycotts driving Israel into international isolation”:

        “… Kerry has warned Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of a drive to delegitimize Israel and of a “boycott campaign on steroids” that will unfold if talks fail. These dire warnings by the Secretary of State and the European diplomat are already starting to play out. There is not yet a deluge of boycotts and sanctions by Western states, but flow is certainly increasing. The main target of this campaign are the settlements and any entity associated with them.

        An increasing number of supermarket chains are not waiting for directives from above and are already labeling produce that originate in settlement farms. There is an increasing campaign to boycott any Israeli products from the West Bank, such as dates from the Jordan Valley, or equipment and bottles made by SodaStream, which has a factory in the settlement of Mishor Adumim. There is a concerted effort ahead of Christmas to bring about a consumer boycott of SodaStream in Britain, Italy, Canada, the United States and Australia. A few weeks ago, Ahava Dead Sea Laboratories, an Israeli cosmetics company, ceased operations in South Africa following a similar campaign.

        Full article:

        http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/12/17/swell-of-boycotts-driving-israel-into-international-isolation/

    • talknic
      talknic
      January 5, 2014, 10:38 pm

      @mcohen “the fall of anbar province together with jihadi buidup in syria points to an all out sunni attack on israels eastern border end of 2014-2015”

      Speculation can be fun. You can say anything…

      “there is no way that israel can pull out of the west bank while sunni forces buildup in iraq and syria”

      Uh huh. So….. what was the excuse in the decades years preceding these events?

      “the palestinians have no intention of recognizing a jewish state”

      So what?

      A) How many states did Israel recognize before independence? Answer NONE.

      B) Israel was at war in territories “outside the State of Israel” when it was recognized AND accepted into the UN.

      C) Israel had no peace treaties with anyone when it gained independence, was recognized and accepted into the UN

      D) The official name of the State of Israel is…the State of Israel, no country has ever recognized the Jewish state

      ” and aim to retake all of israel and turn it into a moslem state.they have made there intentions quite clear”

      By saying the opposite in front of the WORLD? http://pages.citebite.com/e9p5s8u2yhcd WOW!!! How clever of them

      “those that support israel must realise that soon will come the time to stand and defend israel on israeli soil.”

      Well that would be a mega change, because thus far Israeli military has been in territories “outside the State of Israel” for 65 years

      Those who truly support Israel ask that it adheres to the law, UN Charter and relevant conventions instead of delegitimizing itself over and over and over

      • mcohen
        mcohen
        January 6, 2014, 2:33 am

        Talknic

        Yes that is in fact true

      • Walid
        Walid
        January 6, 2014, 4:48 am

        “Speculation can be fun. You can say anything…”

        It’s more than speculation, talknic, whether or not Israel decides to capitalize on the events in Anbar to advance its devious transfer plans. The US agreed to help Iraq regain Anbar but without sending American troops. Even Iran has offered to join the Iraqi-US effort and chances are that Kerry is in Saudia to talk about asking for help on more than Palestine. The ISIL forces are already very strong in Iraq, very active in Syria, threatening to start something in Jordan, raising hell on the Turkish border with Syria and spooking the Turks to the point of having them blocking all arms shipments to anyone in Syria. Things are so bad in Syria because of the ISIL that rebels including the FSA started joining forces with Assad’s army to fight them. Yesterday, Russia announced that the Volgograd bombings were made by Syrian and Saudi Wahabist ISIL people that had come from the fighting in Syria There 3 recent bombings in Beirut are attributed to ISIL and the Saudi commander for ISIL in Lebanon captured by the Lebanese army a week ago suddenly died in military hospital while the Saudis were pressuring Lebanon to extradite him; he was wanted by Saudia as well as in Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and Syria and in Lebanon for missiles fired on Israel and for the Iranian Embassy bombing in November as well as 2 other bombings in the last 2 weeks.

        Nothing boring (as LeaNder calls it) or speculative as your saying in what’s been happening and what will be happening in the months ahead. It’s downright terrifying where the whole ME is heading and the I/P conflict is about to stop being in the news, and this spells really bad news for the Palestinians.

    • Djinn
      Djinn
      January 6, 2014, 12:48 am

      It doesn’t matter what is happening across the border. You do not have the right to occupy land that is not yours.

      It is your government that has made its intention of taking all the land for a Jewish State patently clear, they even insist everyone acknowledge their ‘right’ to such a supremacist state. How blind can you be?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      January 6, 2014, 8:04 am

      the palestinians have no intention of recognizing a jewish state and aim to retake all of israel and turn it into a moslem state.they have made there intentions quite clear

      Hasbarats always likes to talk about the “intentions” to divert from the fact that they actutally realized these projected intentions:

      The Jews don’t recognize Palestine as a state (not even for all its citizens) and keep all that they have taken since 1948 which they turned into a Jewish Apartheid state.

    • eljay
      eljay
      January 6, 2014, 8:08 am

      >> the palestinians have no intention of recognizing a jewish state …

      And rightly so. No-one should be expected or required to recognize or accept Israel as a supremacist “Jewish State”.

  10. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 5, 2014, 3:39 pm

    The Pope will be in the Jewish Disneyland in May and will also visit the Judea and Samaria theme parks.

    I hope he speaks for the rest of us and spells it out to the bots.

    • just
      just
      January 5, 2014, 4:47 pm

      An interesting time for a “visit”… eh?

      With this Pope, I do think that your hopes will be realized.

      (I think he’s totally unafraid to speak the truth– a man for the “poor, unwashed masses” who have been ignored for far too long. All over the world. Especially for those that espouse and flaunt democracy– watch out!)

      I hope I am not wrong on this. I don’t think so thus far. There must be a quiet voice, somewhere, speaking the truth and remarking on astonishing hypocrisy.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        January 5, 2014, 5:09 pm

        Nothing this newest pope has done or said so far indicates he will avoid speaking up for the Palestinians. He might well even mention their security is at risk daily in the same breath he offers up something on Israel’s. It will be interesting to see how he puts his concerns once he’s actually over there–he won’t miss that interesting wall.

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        January 5, 2014, 5:38 pm

        I expect he will be diplomatic. He did not land at the top of an institution by speaking out his mind. Yet, I can imagine he might go rogue -if possible — and seek out those who suffer oppression and disenfranchisement. He has nothing to loose other than the scorn and ridicule of the Church. But what else is new? That comes with the territory.

        Would he dare ask to meet with Palestinian prisoners?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        January 6, 2014, 7:52 am

        @ Ellen
        Dunno. You’re right, but now he’s got the pope slot, and I didn’t see any early notice that he’d be the pope he is so far; we can hope! If he did speak up in behalf the occupied oppressed, that would be a game-changer!

        Pope’s visit is only for 3 days, and he plans to visit Israel, WB & Jordan. AP says, “Pope Francis says his upcoming trip to the Holy Land aims to boost relations with Orthodox Christians. But the three-day visit in May also underscores Francis’ close ties to the Jewish community, his outreach to Muslims and the Vatican’s longstanding call for peace between Israel and the Palestinians.”

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        January 6, 2014, 8:37 am

        @ Ellen

        I just read an excerpt from the book this new pope co-wrote with his buddy Rabbi Skorka. If you read Chapter 27, which covers “the Arab-Israeli Conflict,” Skorka blames the lack of an I-P peace on the Arabs, most specifically, the Palestinians. He elaborates that Barak offered Arafat a good deal, a deal very risky for Israel, but Arafat rejected it. This new Pope does not question his pal, this rabbi, who tells him that’s all well-documented. In fact the Pope avoids responding to the rabbi’s alleged facts supporting his claim it’s the Arabs fault, not the Israelis fault there is no peace. http://books.google.com/books?id=LyTNNk06ZrcC&pg=PT139&lpg=PT139&dq=On+Heaven+and+Earth+Palestinian+people?&source=bl&ots=jJPzCGzE_2&sig=A-ROZK1JDbpvsdpExyEP3dz8Ij0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=y6zKUvCBOeSb2QXNpYGwDQ&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=On%20Heaven%20and%20Earth%20Palestinian%20people%3F&f=false

        Perhaps, when the Pope talks to Jordanians and ever more so, Palestinians, he might get a more balanced earful on who’s fault it is there’s no peace. He’s a chemical technician, so maybe he will dissect the rabbi’s version of the Barak-Arafat negotiations, as a case in point? I mean the Pope has access to the internet doesn’t he?

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        January 6, 2014, 8:51 am

        Further, the Pope has lots of help to research anything he want to research. Surely he knew when he co-wrote his book with his equally good rabbi pal that the rabbi was merely repeating the myth that Barak’s was really generous, and Arafat’s rejection was another example of Palestinian leadership not taking advantage of an opportunity for lasting peace, rejecting yet another “offer to good to refuse.” The truth is Barak did offer more than past Israeli negotiators, but much less than is commonly known, and said offer was, in the details, a very bad bargain for Palestine. I assume the Pope knew that when he colloborated with the Rabi to write his book; if not, he’s ill-informed about the I-P conflict, and just a lofty tool for Zionism. I’d like the Pope to read this on the subject of misrepresentations regarding Barka’s “generous offer at Camp David,” not to mention the Arab League’s proposal, also rejected by Israel before his pending trip: http://electronicintifada.net/content/misrepresentation-baraks-offer-camp-david-generous-and-unprecedented/3991

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        January 7, 2014, 4:45 am

        @Citizen. Interesting background. The book he co authored with Skorka also indicates he goes along to get along. And that he might be woefully informed, which allows himself to be a tool.

        He will be a guest of Israel and we can be sure that like a good guest, he will follow the schedule and keep his language limited to nice banalities.

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby
      January 5, 2014, 5:15 pm

      Will visit palestinians too,
      however he should boycott the occupier.

    • Walid
      Walid
      January 6, 2014, 8:09 am

      “I hope he speaks for the rest of us and spells it out to the bots.”

      Sorry, seafoid and the rest of optimists about the Pope’s visit, but don’t build up your hopes; there are agreements in place since decades between the Vatican and the Zios, a sort of you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours. The Catholic churches under the wings of the Vatican are more or less left by Israel to be autonomous and in return, the Vatican turns the other cheek or the other way to what Israel is doing to Palestinians, so don’t expect anything drastic to be spoken by the Pope towards Israel. After the vicious campaign conducted by Foxman against Benedictus XVI in 2012 prior to the release the Apostolic Exhortation on the Christians of the ME, especially as it concerned the Palestinians under occupation, the Pope will surely not make waves in Israel.

      It gets much worse as far as the Orthodox Church is concerned. Since the early 50s, unethical deals have been made between the Israelis and the Orthodox Church that is the largest landowner in Jerusalem. The current Patriarch is in his post through the graces of the Palestinian leadership, the Jordanians and especially the Israelis that just love to have a compliant Orthodox patriarch that does what Israel wants, especially on matters of real estate. In Jerusalem alone, it’s one scandal after another about land transfers either by outright sales or long term leases with the Zios, especially on the 34,000 acres the church owns on which the Knesset, the Grand Synagogue, the Museum and other Israeli government buildings have been built in Jerusalem. When the leases come to full term in 2050, it’s estimated that Israel will have to either abandon all the lands and buildings or cough up about $800 billion, which is the estimated future value of land. The Orthodox Patriarch that is close to the Israelis is the one refusing to sanction the priest that’s been recruiting young Christians to join the Israeli service and it’s obvious why.

  11. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    January 5, 2014, 5:15 pm

    Haha the heart looks so real good job Ira!

    As for Kerry, what a pathetic man.

  12. Taxi
    Taxi
    January 5, 2014, 11:03 pm

    “But The New York Times is echoing the Israeli talking points, describing the Jordan Valley as a strategic corrridor”.

    The NYT has forever been a prolific apologist for israeli racism and ethnic cleansing.

    Maybe it’s time the editor got a horse-sperm pie in the face like Matt Taibbi gifted NYT Moscow Bureau editor, Micheal Wines, for being an apologist for genocide:
    http://pikdit.com/i/new-york-times-moscow-bureau-chief-after-matt-taibbi-threw-a-horse-semen-cream-pie-in-his-face/
    http://exiledonline.com/feature-new-york-times-hack-eats-horse-sperm-pie/

    • annie
      annie
      January 5, 2014, 11:42 pm

      It was an unnatural bright yellow color, almost greenish like B-movie radioactive fluid, and there were frothy bubbles swimming around the surface.

      omg this is too fun.

      • Taxi
        Taxi
        January 6, 2014, 1:19 pm

        I wonder if donkey semen has the same colorful chemistry.

  13. Hostage
    Hostage
    January 5, 2014, 11:17 pm

    One sure sign that the non-agreement framework is dead and buried is that all the Israeli leadership are playing the blame game and asking how on Earth they can make peace with people who engage in incitement? Then Lieberman steps forward and says that Israel must accept Kerry’s non-agreement framework, because Israel will never get a better offer.

    Someone at the foreign ministry has finally explained to the idiot that Zionists never publicly reject a US proposal, they always say “Yes, but . . .” and then include a deal-breaker list of Israeli preconditions, reservations, or ultimatums. The Moldovan says his party would not support any agreement that did not include transferring Israeli Arab towns in Wadi Ara and the Triangle region to Palestinian sovereignty. The only thing missing is the demand from Shas that the Muslims recite the Shema when they daven.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 6, 2014, 1:45 pm

      THE ONLY THING MISSING IS DICK & JANE BEING FULLY INFORMED ABOUT ISRAEL THANK TO US MAINSTREAM MEDIA LED BY AIPAC.

  14. mcohen
    mcohen
    January 6, 2014, 3:21 am

    Talknic and glomp

    You will find my reply to your comment “those who truly support israel…………..blah blah blah at the end of this article linked

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/israels_1967_borders_whats_the.html

    • talknic
      talknic
      January 6, 2014, 6:42 am

      @mcohen “You will find my reply to your comment etc etc”

      Problem .. the whole article is dripping with Hasbara nonsense.

      Each point has been thoroughly shredded many times in MW.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      January 6, 2014, 9:40 am

      Refering to an article of a Hasbarat who calls the Nakba a “big lie”, mccohen? In that case why don’t you link to articles from David Duke about the conflict? Same brown trash.

  15. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    January 6, 2014, 10:55 am

    Well, now we have Kerry, with all his credentials as a supporter of Israel, noting that this is a conflict felt around the world there will be less pretended surprise when people want to concentrate on this specific problem and address its rights and wrongs.

  16. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    January 7, 2014, 5:04 am

    “Kerry boasted that he had a 100 percent voting record for Israel’s security during 29 years in the Senate, ”

    Clearly part of the very huge problem of Israel’s continual building of illegal settlements and housing in E Jerusalem for decades. The sound of the bulldozing of Palestinians homes and building of illegal settlements goes on in the background of these “framework” negotiations. The sham will be up in April and the “framework” for more illegal settlement building keeps growing

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      January 7, 2014, 5:55 am

      The sham will be up in April and the “framework” for more illegal settlement building keeps growing

      Maybe not even that long. Miri Regev who author the Jordan Valley annexation bill has another one that would make it illegal to negotiate with Kerry or anyone else without prior permission from the Knesset:

      Under the terms of the bill, the prime minister would be unable negotiate on Jerusalem or the right of return without prior permission from the Knesset.

      “Negotiations on these issues, which are launched without approval from the Knesset, are non-binding”, reads the proposed legislation. “In such an event, government bodies will not be committed to the outcome (of these negotiations), nor will the talks or their outcome be valid for the State of Israel, the government of Israel or other authorities in the State of Israel.”

      Regev says the proposal is based on a previous draft by Communications Minister Gilad Erdan in the last Knesset, which was never presented for a vote in the Knesset plenum.

      “The aim is to reach a situation in which there cannot be negotiations on drastic concessions that adversely impact on the Jewish identity of the state and exacerbate the rift that exists in Israeli society, without the approval of a majority in Israel’s parliament,” Regev says. “Such actions are forbidden, anti-democratic, and, according to this proposed bill, illegal. Thus, any negotiations held without Knesset approval would be invalid.”

      http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4474077,00.html

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