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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s announced a video celebrating the accomplishments of his first year in office on his twitter feed on March 18:

So what have we been up to? the frantic narrator asks. Mostly civil and economic improvements. But a couple of times in the video the illustrator makes an image of one state of Israel and Palestine, in which the West Bank is annexed and Gaza is purposely cut out. First at :23. The screenshot above is from 1:40 or so. No Green Line. A divot where Gaza used to be. What’s he telling us?

And in all the feverish description of accomplishments, not a word about peace talks or Palestinians. The usual fearful talk about Iran and the borders.

Update: I altered this post to reflect the Gaza insight that commenter “alan” pointed out.

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  1. seafoid
    seafoid
    March 20, 2014, 9:43 am

    There are no videos of German territorial arrogance in 1940 which is a real pity.

    I’d love to watch the early 50s PR spin on Dien Bien Phu, that impregnable fortress.

    • Philip Munger
      Philip Munger
      March 20, 2014, 10:16 am

      I’m reading Embers of War by Fredrik Logevall, about Indochina between about 1944 and 1959. It won the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for history. It does an excellent job of describing the backdrop of Dien Bien Phu, as it played out simultaneously with American efforts to try to form an international interventionist group to militarily aid the French, that also included the British. The British couldn’t be bought. Logevall’s descriptions of the encounters between John Foster Dulles and Anthony Eden are vivid. His portrait of Ho Chi Min is sympathetic.

      Not drawing many parallels between I/P colonialism and French colonialism from the book. A constant between then and now, though, is U.S. arrogance, combined with ignorance. Eisenhower came closer to intervening with nuclear weapons than most people know. Churchill was horrified that Ike thought of the H-bomb as merely “another weapon.”

      • Don
        Don
        March 20, 2014, 3:17 pm

        Churchill was horrified that Ike thought of the H-bomb as merely “another weapon.”

        It does not appear that Eisenhower thought of it as merely “another weapon”. See quotes below.

        DWIGHT EISENHOWER

        “…in [July] 1945… Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. …the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

        “During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of ‘face’. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude…”

        – Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

        In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

        “…the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

        – Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        March 22, 2014, 1:57 pm

        Great post. And Japan likely would have surrendered months earlier, if the US had dropped its foolish demand that the monarchy be junked.

    • lysias
      lysias
      March 21, 2014, 11:22 am

      Actually, some of the German war footage (largely stuff shown on the Wochenschau newsreels) is available commercially.

  2. eljay
    eljay
    March 20, 2014, 9:48 am

    >> The screenshot above is from 1:40 or so. No Green Line.

    No Green Line, no Gaza. Just pure, clean, supremacist “Jewish State” of (Greater) Israel.

    • puppies
      puppies
      March 20, 2014, 10:49 am

      @Munger – If they had given up on Jordan and South Lebanon we’d have heard it.

  3. alan
    alan
    March 20, 2014, 10:01 am

    No green line but a clear border with the Gaza Strip which is separated from Egypt by a much thinner line. Something else to tell us?

    • MHughes976
      MHughes976
      March 20, 2014, 1:29 pm

      There are quite respectable Biblical reasons for thinking that Gaza was never part of the true Holy Land. I would think that someone trying to reconcile the exclusive ‘Judenstaat’ claims of Zionism with the generous ‘Altneuland’ claims would be quite keen to get rid of Gaza and even to see it flourish with even more seaside coffee shops and urban lingerie stores. The only practical way is to get the Egyptians to take it over and I think that that has long been a widespread hope. But of course that requires a totally dependable Egyptian regime without the slightest tincture of Nasserism or worse. To relinquish Gaza requires putting Egypt securely under Western control and Egyptian political life has never followed a secure path.

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 21, 2014, 9:31 am

        @Hughes – No need for Egypt, they already have in Gaza the ideal concentration camp where to cram the survivors from the West Bank.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 22, 2014, 1:24 pm

        wonderful how y’all are always finding ways to sneak in little germanic definitions pertaining to Israel. talk about subtle….hoy! i think its great. now you should start referring to any Palestinian intifada or other political goals in yiddish. also hizbollah should be referred to in yiddish terminology.

  4. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    March 20, 2014, 11:21 am

    “frantic” indeed.

    Not a whisper about Kerry’s meeting with Abbas on MSNBC, CNN, etc. Not a whisper. It’s all Crimea and missing plane over and over again.

    Just so f—king absurd that U.S. leaders are lecturing Putin about honoring “territorial integrity, international laws, UN charter” when the U.S. invaded Iraq 11 years ago, hundreds of thousands are dead as a consequence, tortured, killing with drones. The U.S. sends billions in aid to Israel a country that daily infringes upon Palestinians “territorial integrity” and has for decades ignored international law and UN resolutions. U.S. leaders have no shame. Of course that would be the case for Israeli leaders also

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      March 20, 2014, 11:55 am

      Particularly ironic was hearing NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen drone on about his ‘fears’ of Russian ‘expansionism’ and the need to protect the ‘integrity’ of nation states etc. You’d never guess – or maybe you would – that he was PM of Denmark when that country joined the ‘coalition of the willing’. I suppose some states’ ‘integrity’ is worth more than others. And while sanctions mean unacceptable ‘delegitimisation’ with, ahem, *some* countries, they can be imposed with alacrity upon others.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 22, 2014, 1:29 pm

        right, and thats because Russia slowly reclaiming its former satellites bordering the EU is as strategically important as Israeli settlement of the disputed west bank over the past 40yrs which many would argue was NEVER part of any Palestinian state nor part of Jordan which occupied it until it was beaten in 1967. such analytical wisdom….

    • TerriKnoll
      TerriKnoll
      March 21, 2014, 11:35 am

      It’s because the U.S. is like the big bully brother. All over the yard kicking butt and making people do it his way, except in one corner where the little bully wanna be is killing small animals. Big bully leaves the lunatic alone in his insanity cuz he ain’t got time for no “retards”.
      One day though, the yard kids start to rise up! There are many fights they have to handle that Big Bully has caused, so they too leave the lunatic in the corner alone. But they one day will get to him too.

    • American
      American
      March 22, 2014, 7:21 pm

      I doubt Putin is going to capitulate in any way to the US and EU.
      Russia will take in those like Crimea who vote to be Russian and leave the rest—Russian doesnt want the ‘division’ among ethnics that created so much of its past troubles. Putin knows his own history, Russia has been looted twice, once by the Bolsheviks and again by the Oligarchs.
      Good book for anyone who’s never read it:….
      History’s Greatest Heist: The Looting of Russia by the Bolsheviks -Sean McMeekin
      http://www.amazon.com/Historys-Greatest-Heist-Looting-Bolsheviks/dp/0300135580

  5. Jan
    Jan
    March 20, 2014, 11:44 am

    Sounds as if Israel is doing far better than the US. So why are you giving them billions of dollars every year – money that could be put to far better use here.

    It is time for Israel to start repaying all the billions we poured into their coffers. Or will this greedy little country keep its begging bowl out for us to fill?

    • JeffB
      JeffB
      March 20, 2014, 1:32 pm

      @Jan

      Or will this greedy little country keep its begging bowl out for us to fill?

      This greedy little country will do what every other well run country will do. It will modulate its foreign policy so as to achieve maximum advantage. Which means that Israel will take bribes from the United States to serve USA interests as long as the bribes are large enough. Given a situation where those bribes are no longer sufficient:

      a) Israel will ask for more or
      b) Israel will find a new sponsor or
      c) Israel will start acting more directly in its own interest

      And they will do unapologetically because that’s Netanyahu’s job and Netanyahu’s successor’s job and … Just as François Hollande without apology orients his foreign policy in the interests of France. So for the time being and probably for the next several decades Israel will maintain a mutually beneficial relationship of being a vassal of the United States.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 20, 2014, 1:45 pm

        Jeff

        Israel isn’t well run.
        It’s a kleptocracy.

      • American
        American
        March 22, 2014, 7:23 pm

        Its really a mafiaocracy..lol

      • amigo
        amigo
        March 20, 2014, 3:08 pm

        “This greedy little country will do what every other well run country will do.”jb

        Well run, pullease.

        1, it is the least liked or trusted nation on the planet.

        “The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”Haaretz
        http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

        2, OECD better life index Israel ranks 7th from the bottom out of 36 countries in the education section..http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/education/

        Well run, ha , ha , ha .

        Into the ground more appropriately.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        March 22, 2014, 1:56 pm

        keep sticking your head deeper and deeper in the sand like a good little ostrich. keep convincing yourself from whatever little stat sheet that Israel ranks near the bottom in education, human rights, scientific agricultural and medical innovations. keep telling yourself that all those nobel prize awards were probably bought by the all-powerful ‘zionist conspiracy’. and keep telling everyone how the Israeli military is not only the least integrated (racially and sexually) but is the least effective in not only the ME region but anywhere in the world. and by all means keep telling everybody how much Israel is ‘hated’ and the Israeli tourism industry is not booming woth tourists from all over the world but especially from the country which supposedly ‘hates’ Israel the most-GB. You keep up your pep rally against Israel and I will continue to invest actual and tangible value in Israels continuation of its good governance and good economic policy. try and guess where Israel will be in 5 years when its selling its leviathan gas to its neighbors including Turkey[despite the efforts of the real ‘little nazi’ erdogan] as well as to China (along with the billions of other tech, pharma, agro and military product) and due to Obama’s projection of American weakness quietly shifts a good portion of its dealings away from the US and towards the east and Russia as well. All of this while Israeli Arab citizens continue to succeed as Israeli supreme court judges, beauty queens, generals in the IDF, head medical directors of prestigous Israeli hospitals, politicians, artists and etc.
        (as compared to say…..the success of Lebanese/Egyptian/Syrian/Iraqi/Tunisian Jews in there respective homes…..Oh wait! There are no jews in these countries to speak of. There gone or have legal limitations placed upon them. And in Persia? Those 25,000 Jews had better be awfully loyal to the current regime, or else. Such ‘good’ governance these nations engage in. Its a wonder that Israel could even survive as such an incompetent in such a ‘tough neighborhood’)

        And Israel even manages to help govern the infernal West Bank and despite Palestinian exaggerations to the contrary has provided enough water, infrastructure, roads and communications to make way for as much Palestinian growth as the corrupt PA sees fit to spend on. After all- the UN, EU, Arab staes and the US can give Billions to the PA but they can not force the PA to spend these billions on there own citizens can they? I would even go so far as to say oif the Israelis were given full shrift to develop the WB since ’67 in the same capacity as they developed the Olde City and original Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem the WB would be a shining example of Arab pride throughout the 22 Arab/Muslim nations. In fact-in some ways it already does stand out in terms of living standards for average Arab citizens far above what exists elsewhere in the Arab crescent.

        If that isn’t a case for ‘good governance’ then I guess Israel should be taking lessons from the military in Egypt or maybe that other bastion of good governance and Islamic/Democratic freedom–Turkey

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        March 20, 2014, 7:57 pm

        Well run? since when. its entire economy is built on foreign aid. Israel has never been is the US interests. a free palestinian sate in all of historic palesine where every one is equal is in the US interests. the US supports Israel because of domestic political infighting not foriegn policy. Israel keeps demanding money cause it doesn’t want to have to pay for itself.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 22, 2014, 12:46 am

        @pjdude

        Well run? since when. its entire economy is built on foreign aid.

        What are you talking about? Israel’s GDP is $288b. Israel gets about $3b in subsidies to buy US equipment that’s a smidge over 1% of the economy even treating subsidies like cash.

      • annie
        annie
        March 22, 2014, 6:50 pm

        jeff, maybe you were not aware of the billions being pumped into palestine since there economy is effectively shut off from the rest of the world due to israeli exploitation and occupation. so israel has an imprisoned market of millions of people and all that aid goes thru israel. israel can determine what products go in and out and they can determine to turn palestinians into israel
        customers’ for example, they get to steal palestinians water and sell it back to palestinians..at a profit! they can steal palestinians land (doesn’t cost them a cent), set up farms on stolen land, make a profit off agriculture grown on palestinian land and sold to palestinians, paid for by international aid. so don’t fool yourself thinking subsidies to israel are a smidgen 1%. they make money hand over fist, just like the privatization of prisons in the US is a making making venture, a big one. doesn’t mean the prisoners like well off it either. it’s theft.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        March 24, 2014, 12:52 am

        And than their is all the money Europe sends. And all the military research for israel that is funded in part and whole by other countries. The economic impact is far more than 3 billion and even that 3 billion has a 6 billion dollar impact. So no it’s not 3 bil.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 22, 2014, 7:07 pm

        @Annie —

        jeff, maybe you were not aware of the billions being pumped into palestine since there economy is effectively shut off from the rest of the world due to israeli exploitation and occupation. so israel has an imprisoned market of millions of people and all that aid goes thru israel

        Fair enough I hadn’t counted that since pjdude hadn’t mentioned indirect aide. Palestinian aide is about $1.8b which with Israeli aide gets you to just under 2%.

        As far as the captive market that’s not not aide that’s a mercantile relationship. If you want to do that instead total imports from the Palestinians are $4.2b so added to the $3b USA weapons aide you are at $7.2b or still under 3% of Israel’s GDP.

      • annie
        annie
        March 22, 2014, 7:29 pm

        a mercantile relationship? that’s one way of putting it. and what about the 1,000’s of Palestinian children who work for slave wages on stolen land? http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/settlements-palestinian-laborers.html/

        how much is that worth?

        they can steal palestinians land (doesn’t cost them a cent), set up farms on stolen land, make a profit off agriculture grown on palestinian land and sold to palestinians, paid for by international aid.

        If you want to do that instead total imports from the Palestinians are $4.2b so added to the $3b USA weapons aide you are at $7.2b

        oh but there’s so much more..

        they can also steal palestinians land (doesn’t cost them a cent), set up farms on stolen land, make a profit off agriculture grown on palestinian land and sold to …europe.

        in essence, that’s aid.

        because when you can sell goods that technically don’t belong to you and pocket the money, it’s aid. especially when you use the children of the captive population to work the land for you. i mean sure, you pay them a less than minimum wage, but the money they get paid is from the profit being made off stolen land. so it adds up to a lot more than 7 billion dollars.

        and the money pouring into illegal settlement from US donors, money that’s shoveled thru tax deductible orgs and religious communities, synagogs etc or money collected to go to the iof from generous american donors, that alone rips money right out of the pockets of other americans because it’s ‘charity’ (money not taxed) and it’s in the billions. billions!

        adding up all the businesses in the jordan valley and the industrial parks in the WB on stolen land, that’s aid. it’s an unfair practice/theft.

        we fought the civil war in this country because the north couldn’t compete with the south. they couldn’t compete with the free labor/slavery. so whether is stolen child labor/cheap labor provided by a ‘captive’ population, free resources, quarries (jerusalem stone) stolen water, stolen land, you name it. all that adds up, and it comes to billions a year. billions, so palestinians provide a constant source of aid to israel. it’s a parasitic relationship, constant source of aid from the host nation to the colonizer.

        israel has never had a day it wasn’t relying on lots of aid. they should get off the tit and grow up.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        March 24, 2014, 1:16 am

        Perhaps I should have said the total largesse from foriegn countries. Israel entire economy is predicated on the billions of dollars in aid subsidies and shared research projects. The shared research on military projects alone is probably worth 10’s of billions of dollars in its one right. Every dollar given to them. Between all the benefits they get from the one sided deals with the west and the raping of the Palestinian economy you probably got around 10% the GDP right there. If you include the cost of land and the related costs it goes much higher. Without all those benefits the israeli economy would collapse irrespective of trade. If countries would place embargoes on israel as well as quit propping up there economy with direct and indirect aide their economy would shatter

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        March 21, 2014, 2:40 am

        Which means that Israel will take bribes from the United States to serve USA interests as long as the bribes are large enough.

        What “USA interests” is Israel serving? They are not an ally of the US, despite US politicians falling on their knees left right and centre.

        As far as I can see Israel is a ball and chain for the US – also one of the 3 motivating factors of the 9/11 hijackers, as per the official commission report.

        Looks like a one way street.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 21, 2014, 8:44 am

        @Sumud

        What “USA interests” is Israel serving? They are not an ally of the US, despite US politicians falling on their knees left right and centre.

        They’ve helped on intelligence operations as well as in Gaza and Egypt with Al-Qaeda. Their forces were active in Kurdistan during our Iraq occupation. They provide additional translations services for NSA when we run short of Arabic speakers with security clearance to help in the war against Al-Qaeda. They are right now working with the MEK so we have a domestic operations base if we need to invade Iran. Moreover on Iran they sabotaged their reactors and assassinated their scientists. They have been helping the USA contain the spread of chemical weapons to Hezbollah from Syria. And they have fought Hezbollah, which after all killed hundreds of Americans.

        And let’s not even get into the cold war where they were an ally against Russia. Going back a few decades they were active in our wars in Latin America. Israel has armed and trained right-wing groups and regimes in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Chile, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela.

      • annie
        annie
        March 21, 2014, 8:59 am

        Israel has armed and trained right-wing groups and regimes in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Chile, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela.

        don’t forget georgia. and the ukraine? or do you think nuland&co wouldn’t ask for israel’s ‘help’?

        and wow, aren’t we licky, what would we have done without right-wing regimes in all those countries, and their loverly death squads.

        Moreover on Iran they sabotaged their reactors and assassinated their scientists.

        they not only did that, they impersonated cia agents without the permission/understanding of the US implicating the US in the assassinations and the reactor operation. you call that ‘help’? i call it a set up.

      • Sumud
        Sumud
        March 21, 2014, 1:05 pm

        They’ve helped on intelligence operations as well as in Gaza and Egypt with Al-Qaeda.

        1. Too vague to be meaningful
        2. Sounds like Israel acting in it’s own interest, not that of the US.

        Their forces were active in Kurdistan during our Iraq occupation.

        3. New information to me – evidence of ex-IDF militias in Kurdish Iraq but the IDF didn’t deploy there that I’m aware of. Proof?
        Israel conspicuously absent from list of multinational forces:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_–_Iraq#List_of_countries_in_the_coalition

        They provide additional translations services for NSA when we run short of Arabic speakers with security clearance to help in the war against Al-Qaeda.

        4. Let the bottom of the barrel scraping commence!

        They are right now working with the MEK so we have a domestic operations base if we need to invade Iran.

        5. Hardly something to brag about, association with a bizarre terror cult. On the other hand that’s an apt description of many zionists -I see the match.
        BTW have you not noticed destroying Iran is a long term Israeli project, not a US one…?

        Moreover on Iran they sabotaged their reactors and assassinated their scientists.

        6. Again, Israel’s interest, not the US. Thirty years now Iranians have been 6-12 months from acquiring nuclear weapons according to Israel.

        They have been helping the USA contain the spread of chemical weapons to Hezbollah from Syria. And they have fought Hezbollah, which after all killed hundreds of Americans.

        7. Israeli interests, not the US.
        8. Interesting since Hezbollah didn’t exist in 1983. Of course the US marines would not have been in Lebanon if it weren’t for Israel’s invasion and terrible behaviour there.

        Really the same applies for the whole frigging GWOT – a neocon concoction designed to serve Israel at America’s expense. Let’s also recall also the 9/11 Commission named Israel’s treatment of Palestinians as one of three major factors motivating the 19 hijackers.

        And let’s not even get into the cold war where they were an ally against Russia.

        9. OK we won’t go there – except to observe Egypt for example did not tilt to Russia until the US (siding with Israel) stiffed it on weapons – to fend off Repeated aggression.

        Going back a few decades they were active in our wars in Latin America. Israel has armed and trained right-wing groups and regimes in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Chile, the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, and Venezuela.

        10. Well that’s really something to be proud of isn’t it?

        It’s a pretty flimsy response JeffB – you might arouse some US right wing nutjobs but a normal person is going to shrug and walk away. Very little value to be had in Israel, just constant mess to clean up, wasting US money and lives.

        So much for you claiming to be a “mainstream democrat”.

      • puppies
        puppies
        March 21, 2014, 2:09 pm

        @Sumud – In what is he supposed to be different from a “mainstream Democrat”? I fear that you have some remaining unjustified illusions (upside down?) about us USans.

      • libra
        libra
        March 21, 2014, 2:17 pm

        JeffB: And let’s not even get into the cold war where they were an ally against Russia.

        That’s right Jeff, and let’s not forget that Pollard was really a double agent supplying phoney intelligence to the Soviet Union via Israel. I’m surprised you missed that clincher out of your otherwise very impressive list of valuable services rendered to the eternally ungrateful US.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        March 22, 2014, 2:00 pm

        “Phoney” intelligence, supplied to the USSR by Pollard? (Via Israel) The former Sec of Defense said Pollard “should have been shot”.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 21, 2014, 9:45 am

        @Annie

        don’t forget georgia…and the ukraine? or do you think nuland&co wouldn’t ask for israel’s ‘help’?

        I’m not clear what you mean. As far as I know Israel has an open formal relationship with the government of Georgia where they supply arms and training but nothing the Russians find threatening and that’s it. Are you disagreeing?

        As far as Ukraine I completely ignorant of our intelligence operations or even our goals there. I don’t even know what we are trying to do. Certainly Israel / Mossad has great access. But so does the CIA, this isn’t a situation like Iran. We might like deniability and I can see Israel wanting that. But Israel would want deniability on Russia too.

        The Israeli population is all over the place on Putin issues and so I’m not sure if Mossad can trust their own people on a Ukraine issue. In the other direction Ukrainian pro-Nazi parties were, unlike many other eastern European countries, not focused on anti-Semetism. While Communist / Soviet parties often were. The current parties are just as much in flux with openly neo-Nazi parties active but friendly towards Jewish Ukrainians. Of course there is also all kinds of real anti-Semitism and then Jews (especially 1st and 2nd generation) are all over the place. If I were the CIA I’d think using Israelis would be a particular poor choice unless I was desperate. They just introduce way too many complicating variables.

        they not only did that, they impersonated cia agents without the permission/understanding of the US implicating the US in the assassinations and the reactor operation. you call that ‘help’? i call it a set up.

        Everyone agrees Israel did it. Which means that Israel stalled the Iranian program which is a USA goal too. Iran knows the USA is hostile. Where is the setup?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        March 23, 2014, 6:21 am

        “we fought the civil war in this country because the north couldn’t compete with the south.”

        By “this country” you mean Vietnam?

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 22, 2014, 8:45 pm

        @Annie

        and what about the 1,000′s of Palestinian children who work for slave wages on stolen land? link to mondoweiss.net
        how much is that worth?

        First off you are counting the same money twice. The $4.2b is the total exports from the PA economy. Once you start pulling production out of the PA economy separately you lose that $4.2b. The production from the kids if went to Israel was already counted.

        But let’s do the math. Assume the kids are working about 1500 hrs / yr (you can’t work kids as much as adults so this is a high estimate). There isn’t much investment in their productive capacity (i.e. the factory is cheap) and their hourly productivity is going to suck because they are kids. And you have to spend a lot to supervise them. Child labor is so easy to get rid of because it is so ineffectual. So say something $3 / hr in productivity (and again I’m probably giving a high estimate). So you are $4500 / kid / yr. If there are 20k of these kids you are at $90m or .03% of gdp. It is worthless. Feel free to throw in your own figures for what you think you can get out of a child laborer without much investment.

        they can steal palestinians land (doesn’t cost them a cent), set up farms on stolen land, make a profit off agriculture grown on palestinian land and sold to palestinians, paid for by international aid.

        Yep. But again you are double counting. The food imported is already counted in total imports. I was scoring at 100 cents on the dollar for imports with the $4.2b figure. That would be like giving you the fares from a taxi without charging you rent / maintenance on the car, gas and the cost of the driver. I already through that in. You want to calculate of the farming and then give Israel a subsidy for “stolen land” equal to say the rental price, but you can’t possibly as a simple mathematical reality ever end up with a higher number than I was giving you to start with.

        because when you can sell goods that technically don’t belong to you and pocket the money, it’s aid. especially when you use the children of the captive population to work the land for you. i mean sure, you pay them a less than minimum wage, but the money they get paid is from the profit being made off stolen land. so it adds up to a lot more than 7 billion dollars.

        No it doesn’t. First off that’s not aide. And if you are going to count it as aide then the cost of the occupation becomes a business expense charged against that aide. Your argument would work if the Israelis were using Palestinian slaves to make products for exports to other countries but they aren’t.

        If you think I’m wrong start working figures. Stop assuming it must be huge. Its not. The Palestinians are a negligible part of the economy. That was Arial Sharon’s policy to make sure that they were negligible so there wouldn’t be entrenched Israeli interests to prevent the violence from escalating like their had been in the 1st intifada.

        The cruelty and poverty you see today is because the Israelis are “stealing” (if you want to call it that) so little from the Palestinians and don’t care anymore about them. An expensive thoroughbred horse is well taken care off, a draft horse that no longer pulls is just worth the cost of glue.

        and the money pouring into illegal settlement from US donors, money that’s shoveled thru tax deductible orgs and religious communities, synagogs etc or money collected to go to the iof from generous american donors, that alone rips money right out of the pockets of other americans because it’s ‘charity’ (money not taxed) and it’s in the billions. billions!

        Where are these billions showing up on the flow of funds? To where are they going in Israel? Countries do publish flow of funds information. There isn’t some secret billions going to Israel that no one knows about. I think you are overestimating here too. Take the JNF for example. 2013 was their best year ever. Total donations + investment returns were $285m. And of course some of that is Israelis themselves its not all foreigners.

        adding up all the businesses in the jordan valley and the industrial parks in the WB on stolen land, that’s aid. it’s an unfair practice/theft.

        You get a rental value on the “theft” not the businesses. And even then I have serious problems calling “theft” aide.

        I think you should just run numbers. Stop saying “billions and billions” look at the flow of funds, trade data… what ever you want to count get out a spreadsheet and do an accounting. Be careful about double counting like you were above. Post your results.

  6. seafoid
    seafoid
    March 20, 2014, 1:19 pm

    No green line, no rights for non Jews.
    Yes, this is the land that is waiting for the Messiah.
    And when she lands she’s going to turn around and say “WTF – I’m going back where I came from.”

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      March 20, 2014, 2:05 pm

      :-)

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 20, 2014, 3:14 pm

        She may pull into Nablus for a shisha tufaah and a slice of knafiyeh before heading back.

  7. James Canning
    James Canning
    March 20, 2014, 2:53 pm

    Idea is to avoid a map showing proposed boundaries of Palestine?

  8. Talkback
    Talkback
    March 20, 2014, 7:45 pm

    It makes sense, if Netanyahu wants “Israel” to be recognized as the “Jewish state”.

    Jewish Agency Memo to San Francisco Demands Guarantee of Jewish Rights to Palestine:
    “1. The immediate announcement of a determination by the responsible powers to reconstitute Palestine as a free and democratic Jewish commonwealth thus carrying out the underlying intention and purpose of the Balfour Declaration and the mandate.”
    http://www.jta.org/1945/05/03/archive/jewish-agency-memo-to-san-francisco-demands-guarantee-of-jewish-rights-to-palestine

  9. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    March 22, 2014, 2:22 pm

    love how ‘propaganda annie’ lays the entire emergence of right wing latin american regimes at the feet of Israel and its highly skilled undercover and/or special forces.

    forget the propensity for these SA nations to take in 100s of nazi criminals after ww2. forget the LONG history of strong-man politics in the continent. (oh right-when the strong-man is idolized-like chavez-he’s not a ‘strong-man’ but a ‘Democratic Giant’.

    It woud not be difficult to find other nations whose special forces were hired to train forces both ‘friendly’ and unfriendly to western interests. Cuba comes to mind and so does Russia and former Soviet blok states as well. No mention of China infiltration of all regions of Africa either? MW is such a narrow-minded cult blog. no room for anything other then demonization of Israel-at all costs. Including the truth.

    I always thought the main commenters here would really benefit from a thorough reading of Eric Hoffers True Believers. It not only gels nicely with Sartre’s post ww2 essays on anti-semitism but also covers the nature of the narrow focus, one act activists such as anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-tax and anti-Israel activists. Definitely an interesting explanation.

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