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You’re on a roll, Mr. President, so abstain from vetoing the Palestinian bid to the UN Security Council

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Now is the moment for President Obama to finally do something serious about Israel’s monstrous apartheid. Fresh from his foreign policy victory in normalizing relations with Cuba, without a re-election to worry about, he should not veto the Palestinian UN Security Council resolution that seeks an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land seized in 1967.

The State Department says the US will “not support” the Palestinian bid. But “not support” could include “not veto.”

In an ideal world, one in which our President acted entirely without political constraint, Obama would not only direct the US Ambassador to the UN to vote in favor of this motion, he would also cut off all $6 billion of military aid to Israel contingent on Israel radically shifting from an apartheid society to an equal-rights society; an end to land theft and colonization; and so on. Perhaps, someday sooner than we realize, we’ll have a President so fed up with Israel’s human rights violations that she or he will do the right thing.

But, to be realistic, our current President is not about to do either of these radical things. He’s lived too long under the Gulliverian constraints of the Israel lobby to flip into a full on, radical confrontation. However, an abstention might be within the realm of possibility, and would still represent a serious challenge to the Israel lobby’s political power.Bringing the Debate to You

Progressive Israelis are calling for a non-veto. Gideon Levy says the U.S. automatic veto is imbecilic, and a veto of justice.  The Haaretz editorial board says Israelis should ‘welcome’ the Palestinian bid to set a deadline on ending the occupation.

The President has demonstrated the guts to take on major issues like immigration and relations with Cuba, and has continued to push for a diplomatic solution to the Iran nuclear standoff in the face of the lobby’s repeated objections and attempts to undermine and destroy the delicate negotiations. What does Obama have to lose at this point by abstaining from the U.N. vote? Certainly, the lobby will pressure all of Obama’s would-be successors to repudiate the decision. Be that as it may, this President is on a roll, taking action on what he sees at the right thing on some key foreign and domestic policy issues. Netanyahu’s intransigence has frustrated him for the entire duration of his tenure in the Oval Office. By now he knows that absent significant international political and economic pressure, no force of Earth will derail the Israeli political consensus of accelerating land theft and colonization. By abstaining on the UN vote, the President can step aside and allow exactly that kind of political pressure to begin to coalesce.

President Bush I withheld loan guarantees in 1991, which is probably the largest rebuke any elected U.S. official has delivered to Israel in 25 years. Some say the Israel lobby coalesced around Bill Clinton, and the resultant flood of campaign contributions made the difference in the 1992 election. But Obama has no re-election to consider; only the question of his legacy. When he remembers the death and destruction in Palestine, will he be able to look at himself in the mirror the day after he leaves office? His entire administration has been one craven cave-in after another to Benjamin Netanyahu’s agenda of increasing land theft, slaughtering civilians in Gaza, and impunity from sanctions.

Those who claim there is a ‘status quo’ in Israel (we hear that term all the time from pundits) are dead wrong. For Palestinians, there is no ‘status quo’; there is only ever-increasing oppression, an oppression that is not stable and consistent over time (as implied by ‘status quo’), but is actually getting worse, as more and more land is devoured, and more Palestinians are killed or made to live unlivable lives. The simple abstention would be Obama leaving a mark in the column of justice and fairness, and a challenge to the ever-worsening oppression of the Palestinians.

Matthew Taylor

Matthew A. Taylor is co-founder of PeacePower magazine, and author of "The Road to Nonviolent Coexistence in Palestine/Israel," a chapter in the book Nonviolent Coexistence.

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  1. Kathleen on December 20, 2014, 12:54 pm

    “not veto” It could happen. I believe more than just a dream. We can do our part by contacting Obama, Samantha Powers, our Reps etc etc. Let them know millions of us would like to witness an abstention. This can happen

    • ramzijaber on December 20, 2014, 1:05 pm

      Please try but no hope remains in usa. kerry now wants to DELAY any UN resolution till after the zionist elections. yet another delaying tactic implanted in kerry’s brain and mouth by the supposedly “good, peaceful, and moderate” zios peres and livni. LOL.

      All zios are the same and have the same goal: NO Palestinian State. They may say different words or do differnt things tactically that appear “good” and “for peace”. But don’t be EVER fooled. Left. Right. Left-Right. Center. Center-Right. Center-Left. Extreme. Extreme-Centre. Extreme-Right. Extreme-Left All the same.

      • hophmi on December 20, 2014, 3:08 pm

        I think you’re projecting, there, Ramzi.

      • FreddyV on December 20, 2014, 3:19 pm

        I hope the US vetoes, but I don’t have much hope either Ramzi. I think this will play out in the following way.

        Europe and the rest of the world are fed up with Israel and the US veto and will envoke UN Resolution 377 “Uniting for Peace” and bypass the US.

        Normal Israelis, faced with paying to establish a Palestinian state, compensating refugees and absorbing 750,000 crazies from the settlements into Israel proper whilst leaving behind strategic and water resources, will decide that one state with equal rights for all will be a softer option.

        It’ll probably be a mess for the next 50 years like South Africa is turning out to be, but bye bye Zionism. ;)

      • Daniel Rich on December 20, 2014, 8:20 pm

        @ hopmi,

        Q: I think you’re projecting, there, Ramzi.

        R: You win. You get people to come to your movie theater, pay good money to watch whatever you’re projecting and leave the place empty handed. Well done.

      • Walid on December 21, 2014, 1:48 am

        “… and the US veto and will envoke UN Resolution 377 “Uniting for Peace” and bypass the US. ”

        FreddyV, what would that accomplish? A couple of days back. the UN voted to have Israel compensate Lebanon $800 million for having caused the major oil spill all over Lebanon’s shoreline in 2006. Other than adding to Israel’s tarnished reputation which doesn’t affect it , chances of collecting anything from Israel with the resolution are ZERO. So even if the UN does go the way of Res 377, this will not make Israel do anything. We are kidding each other here while Israel eats away at what little is left of Palestine.

    • Blownaway on December 21, 2014, 10:59 am

      Who’s in charge?

      Livni: ‘The world listens to me,’ not to Netanyahu
      Hatnua leader says she asked Kerry to torpedo Palestinian UN statehood bid, not delay it until after elections
      BY MARISSA NEWMAN December 21, 2014, 12:20 pm

  2. ramzijaber on December 20, 2014, 1:00 pm

    Ain’t gonna happen EVER.

    usa and zionists have a common goal: NEVER establish a Palestinian State. The evidence and facts are very clear by now for everyone to see if they open their eyes and ears.

    The proposed Jordanian resolution is TOTALLY in line with what obama/kerry have said. We uncovered their charade.

    There will only be a Palestinian State through 1S1P1V, which will arrive either passively or actively over the next 25 years or so.

    No hope for obama/kerry. usa can never be a fair and impartial third-party. The zionists brainwashed and/or blackmailed the usa. The real question is WHY usa is behaving this way? WHY???

    • Walid on December 21, 2014, 2:04 am

      “There will only be a Palestinian State through 1S1P1V, which will arrive either passively or actively over the next 25 years or so. ”

      Ramzi, passively or actively, the countdown to reach your goal would only begin from the day you succeed in having elections that would yield real Palestinian leaders with the same aspirations.

      A current al-Akbar article talks about an ongoing rumble between Abed Rabbo that aspires to lead with Abbas that’s panicking and firing those around him that could threaten him. Oil Can Harry Dahlan is involved in what’s appearing as an overthrow plot against Abbas:

      “Is a coup being plotted against PA President Abbas?

      By: Orouba Othman
      Published Friday, December 19, 2014

      While the Palestinian Authority (PA) fights a battle at the Security Council, there is fire in Ramallah burning under the embers. PA President Mahmoud Abbas faces a test of leadership within the Mukataa, the president’s headquarters, amid overlapping political and personal issues. This suggests Abbas may be on the cusp of implementing a number of decisions to sack figures who are no longer toeing his political line, especially since his phobias about conspiracies targeting him have shifted from his known opponents to figures who were once close to Abbas.

      Gaza – Just like there is no smoke without fire, there can be no sudden security measures and movements in the media without a real, if not also a major, dispute. In Ramallah, there is an open-ended battle now between PA President Mahmoud Abbas on the one hand, and PLO Secretary Yasser Abed Rabbo and former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, on the other. The dispute is added to the major rivalry with expelled Fatah leader Mohammed Dahlan, who has emerged as a kind of a Trojan horse in the Palestinian political landscape, slipping in through the cracks that have started to appear. For the first time in eight years, his supporters are appearing in public in Gaza carrying his portraits, with Hamas’ consent….”

      Full article:

  3. Blownaway on December 20, 2014, 1:19 pm

    Obama/Kerry have proven themselves to be cowards and worthless on this issue. Kerry has been busy strong arming the world to sell out the Palestinians. The solution for Palestinians will never be found in the US and increasingly not in Europe. It for sure will never be found with Abbas. Global grassroots advocacy for one state is the only path.

    • ramzijaber on December 20, 2014, 1:30 pm

      Totally agree Blownaway.

      We Palestinians must only count on ourselves to make it happen.

      Each and every one of us, in colonized Palestine or anywhere else in the world, we must first and foremost WANT freedom before anything else and be ready to work for it.

      Then we must do whatever is right for us day in day out, in every non-violent way possible including massive peaceful daily demonstrations and marches across all of Palestine and marches towards all borders of Palestine from the outside.

      We will have our Palestinian state, of that I’m sure. Whether actively or passively, it will happen. And it will be through 1S1P1V.

  4. joemowrey on December 20, 2014, 2:07 pm

    This is the second article here at Mondoweiss to imply that Obama’s policy change toward Cuba is some sort of enlightened awakening and that somehow this now means he will change his tack toward Palestine. Sorry. Reality encroaches once more.

    Here is a link to a fine article from Ron Ridenour. There are others our there. The fact is, the change in policy toward Cuba is nothing more than a change of strategy to accomplish regime change there and install (re-install, since the dictatorship which ruled Cuba before the Castro “revolution” was a U.S. installed puppet theater) a government friendly to U.S. Corporations.

    So unless a change in policy toward Israel might somehow benefit the corporatocracy, it ain’t gonna happen. Certainly not as a result of some sort of “enlightenment” on the part of our war-mongering sociopathic Assassinator in Chief.

    • Boomer on December 20, 2014, 4:26 pm

      thanks for the link, jowmoerey; that is an interesting site. Among other things there, Richard Falk has an interesting (and depressing) commentary on the current effort to go to the UN. Among other things, he says:

      “The expected controversy surrounding the Palestinian Authority initiative in the Security Council is a sideshow without any serious consequences however it is resolved.

      “There needs to be a clear recognition by the PA that direct negotiations are pointless under present conditions, and a general understanding that unless Israel changes behavior and outlook there is no hope to resolve the conflict by a reliance on diplomacy.

      “This will make recourse to nonviolent militancy via BDS, and such other tactics as blocking the unloading of Israeli cargo vessels, the best option for those seeking a just peace.

      “The best, and in my view, only realistic hope is to forget traditional interstate diplomacy for the present, and understand that the Palestinian future depends on a robust mobilization of global civil society in solidarity with the Palestinian national movement.”


    • on December 20, 2014, 5:16 pm

      I think the change in policy toward Cuba is solely about getting Adelson and Wynn and the other rich Zionist “Gaming” operators the chance to move into Cuba. Here in MA Deval Patrick’s 1st action upon becoming governor was to push the casino bill and when Sal DiMasi killed the bill in the Ma senate, stories suddenly began appearing in the B Globe and in Boston Magazine about his alleged corruption.

  5. Blownaway on December 20, 2014, 7:55 pm

    Incredibly the U.S. has hitched it’s wagon to Israel. It will cost the U.S. increasingly more and more in the world, both morally and economically. More and more countries will emulate the Israel model where you get rewarded for disrespecting the U.S. From the Jpost instead of distancing from Israel ”

    WASHINGTON – Israel is now officially a strategic partner of the United States, a classification held by no other nation, according to a bill signed into law by US President Barack Obama on Friday.

    The United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 took more than a year to draft in Congress, and became an omnibus bill for the US-Israel relationship, reinforcing cooperation across industries with a focus on defense.Signing the law, the president hailed its bipartisan support and said it “reflects the importance placed by my administration on strengthening and deepening US-Israel bilateral cooperation and ties.”“It reinforces critical defense and security programs, which have reached an unprecedented level under my administration,” Obama said. “It also lays the groundwork for increased trade and cooperation across a range of cutting-edge fields, including energy, water, agriculture and technology.Recommitting the US to maintaining Israel’s “qualitative military edge” over its neighbors in the Middle East, the act expands authority for the forward deployment of US-made weapons stockpiles in Israeli conflicts.It is the policy of the United States, the bill reads, “to reaffirm the unwavering support of the people and the government of the United States for the security of Israel as a Jewish state.”

    Members of Congress Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Florida), Ted Deutch (D-Florida), Ed Royce (R-California), Eliot Engel (D-New York) and Senators Barbara Boxer (D-California) and Roy Blunt (R-Missouri) authored the law.

    • Kay24 on December 20, 2014, 8:39 pm

      “Members of Congress Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Florida), Ted Deutch (D-Florida), Ed Royce (R-California), Eliot Engel (D-New York) and Senators Barbara Boxer (D-California) and Roy Blunt (R-Missouri) authored the law.”

      The shameless slaves of zionists. Putting the interests of Israel OVER the best interests of their own country. The result of some shekels and a few junket trips, from a disgusting alien lobby that controls us.

      • Blownaway on December 20, 2014, 9:15 pm

        It’s the only bipartisan issue in Washingtin. Try getting anything done for Americans. I’d love to know what laws that benefit Americans has this bunch sponsored?

      • Kay24 on December 20, 2014, 10:23 pm

        You are absolutely right. They fight like cats and dogs when it comes to passing any bills that benefit the American people. Resolutions that benefit Israel, it’s interests, and give them even more access to our nation, is passed like lightening, while they all sing kumbaya.

      • Walid on December 21, 2014, 2:20 am

        “… a disgusting alien lobby that controls us.”

        Kay, you have been electing leaders that allow this to happen and will continue to do in the future. I think the only ones that actually tried to do something about it were the Kennedys and you know how that ended.

        On the other hand, nothing prevented the rich oil Arabs from buying a few Congressmen of their own; instead, they capitalized on greasing leaders only in the hope that some of their benevolences would rub off on Congress people, which did not happen.

      • Kay24 on December 21, 2014, 12:01 pm

        Walid, I stopped voting years ago. The last time I voted I looked for, and found one candidate who wanted aid to Israel stopped, and had a very slim chance of winning. I gave him my last vote. The Arabs, even if they tried to buy any congress people, will never, ever, have the same clout as the zionists do. The zionists have their slaves in every nook and corner in the US, media, think tanks, Hollywood, you name it. I doubt the Arabs can top that.

      • rpickar on December 21, 2014, 12:09 pm


        More than junket trips. A promise to fund any opposition to your candidacy and ensure that the next election will be lost. Basically a hammer lock on Israel policy, and a guaranteed end to your political career if you stray.

      • Walid on December 21, 2014, 12:22 pm

        I agree, Kay, Arabs are amateurs when it comes to these things. Zionists know exactly who to buy, when to do it and how much to pay. Arabs wouldn’t know where to start eventhough they have much more money with which to do it. Maybe they’re not interested.

  6. Daniel Rich on December 20, 2014, 8:24 pm

    Q: Perhaps, someday sooner than we realize, we’ll have a President so fed up with Israel’s human rights violations that she or he will do the right thing.

    R: You honestly think Hiliary’s willing to upset her in-laws and donors?

    I vote for an end to [Bush and Clinton] dynasties.

  7. Blownaway on December 20, 2014, 9:13 pm

    Not counting the last eight years the prior 20 have been either a Bush or Clinton. The question is after the last 28 years (incl Obama, is there really much of a difference) is the US and the world in a better place or not?

    • Kay24 on December 20, 2014, 10:26 pm

      It might be another Bush or a Clinton in the WH. No, nothing makes a difference. They ALL show unwavering support for Israel, arm it even while it is massacring women and children in Gaza, and the moment it starts sending precision bombs into civilian structures in Gaza, they immediately support and protect it. We will never see politicians with spine in our lifetime, like we do see in the British parliament. Our Congress has been bought by an alien nation to do it’s bidding, unprecedented in the rest of the world.

  8. catporn on December 21, 2014, 1:12 am

    I’d love to believe the final two years of the Obama administration could be some kind of renaissance, all the unfulfilled hopes and promises met, Nobel prize earned etc, but it’s completely at odds with American foreign policy, a policy Obama has been consistently on board with, a policy of discord. Discord in South East Asia between China and it’s neighbors. Discord in Europe between Russia, Ukraine, EU. Discord in Africa and the Middle East between everyone, Israel is discord in a bottle, why would the US ever want to stop what it tries so hard to create everywhere else?
    It’s life blood is the world’s reserve currency, to maintain that status quo a bloated, unparalleled military force is needed, and to justify spending 20% your annual budget on that military you’ve gotta be on a permanent war footing.
    Obama doesn’t want peace in the Middle East or anywhere else, the only tricky part is the loss of American lives, the folks at home aren’t so keen on that. Recently innovative technology has taken up the slack, so unseemly coffins returning home have been kept to a minimum, but it’s amazing what 10 years does to collective memory.

    • Walid on December 21, 2014, 2:30 am

      Renaissance? Catporn, don’t be misguided by what happened in Cuba. Israelis have been investing heavily in Cuba for years with the consent of the US and so has the US for that matter via its Canadian subsidiairies. Now The US will be doing it more openly for more business opportunities. If I’m not mistaken, the US got nasty with Castro only when he shut down American casinos and talked of nationalizing the sugar producing companies.. The problems with its communism came later.

      • catporn on December 22, 2014, 1:50 pm

        Don’t worry Walid, I’m under no illusions vis-à-vis America PLC or its current CEO Obama.
        Profit reigns, at any cost, and unless you have an immense private fortune you don’t even get near the primaries without selling the coming term to the highest bidders.

  9. Kay24 on December 21, 2014, 9:10 am

    Well, it seems again the Palestinians have mountains to climb to get their rights and freedom.
    They have suffered for years, and I am ashamed that the US has played a major part, in inflicting more pain on them. It is always the US that blockades their bid for statehood, because of it is controlled by zionists. Now the Palestinians are asked to postpone their request, because the timing is not right for some nations:

    Palestinians under heavy pressure to delay UN Security Council vote
    Vote likely to be delayed until at least after Christmas; senior official says plan is to reach agreement on wording with Europeans beforehand in order to guarantee majority.

    “Senior officials from the Palestinian Authority admitted over the weekend that they were under heavy pressure not to request a vote on the Palestinian resolution presented last week to the United Nations Security Council.

    Despite previous Palestinian announcements that they would request such a vote immediately – even if the move would fail because of the inability to enlist nine votes or owing to an American veto – it transpires that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is in no hurry to ask for such a vote, and it seems the matter will be postponed for a while, possibly for weeks.

    A senior Palestinian official told Haaretz that despite the strident declarations in recent days, the idea now is to try and reach an agreed upon wording of the resolution, in particular with the Europeans, and only after that to request a vote in the Security Council, in order to guarantee a majority in favor of the resolution before a possible American veto.”

    • Walid on December 21, 2014, 10:27 am

      “… that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is in no hurry to ask for such a vote, and it seems the matter will be postponed for a while, possibly for weeks. ”

      What else is new?

      • Kay24 on December 21, 2014, 11:56 am

        It is an old story. The US has once again interfered in getting the Palestinians their independence and rights. If the US pushed for the Palestinian statehood, and urged the EU to do the right thing, there would not be these endless obstacles. How much of this is because of Nutty Yahoo’s election bid?

  10. Theo on December 21, 2014, 9:37 am

    I would be most surprised if the USA will not veto any resolution that is against any goals of zionism and a free Palestina certainly is not in the plans of Tel Aviv.
    Abstention is a cowardly way to sneak out of a responsibility, leaving decisions, right or wrong, to the others. They can later always say, I had nothing to do with it! If the USA politicians would ever look further out in the future than the tip of their noses, then they could see that a zionist Israel has not much of a future, so why support it until the very grave?
    My personal solution would be a single state Palestina, where all citizens could live with the same rights, free elections and the return of all NAKBA refugees. In the USA we also have a slowly changing picture of the population, the WASPs will be in a minority sooner or later, so the jews just have to be satisfied with a palestinian majority.

  11. NickJOCW on December 21, 2014, 10:42 am

    It seems to me six of one and half-a-dozen of the other. Whatever Obama does will not be done for the Palestinians or for justice, human rights or any other ‘noble’ purpose but simply for US interests like everything else. The Cuban manoeuvres are simply a way to abandon the failed sanctions for the recently proven Ukraine regime change route. Looking at the situation in the ME, including the current political frangibility of Jordan, its streets filled with anti-Israel oil deal demonstrators, Obama cannot possibly want to do anything to promote another anti-American Arab state in the ME. On the other hand, the tide is coming in and he can’t stop it. He’s stuck in the middle, what’s known in chess as Zugzwang, a situation where whatever he does will be to his disadvantage. His solution is to seek to void having to make a move at all.

    • catporn on December 22, 2014, 2:10 pm

      It depends on what you perceive Obama’s motives to be, if it’s fame, fortune and power then it’s checkmate, he’s won.
      If he wanted to add popularity and respect to the list then he isn’t in zugzwang, in fact he has positional advantage, now he just has to make the right moves, though doing so might reduce the fortune element considerably.

  12. eljay on December 21, 2014, 12:10 pm

    In an ideal world, one in which our President acted entirely without political constraint, Obama would …

    Since Day 1, nothing has prevented Barry O. from condemning and opposing – verbally and in writing – all that is unjust and immoral about Zio-supremacism and the supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel.

    His moral stand might have proven unpopular and, elsewhere, he may have been over-ruled, but at least he would have been on record as standing for justice, accountability and equality.

    But, then, Barry “Nobel Peace Prize” O. is the guy who is cool with – among other things – on-going militarism and military adventurism in the Middle East and on-going rendition and torture.

    • NickJOCW on December 21, 2014, 1:52 pm

      But that is his chosen task. He is President of the United States. No man sits upon a greater throne. Bow before him.

  13. RoHa on December 21, 2014, 8:39 pm

    “What does Obama have to lose at this point by abstaining from the U.N. vote?”

    What did JFK have to lose by opposing Israel’s nuclear weapons programme?

  14. piotr on December 21, 2014, 9:48 pm

    I have very mixed feelings — should Obama resist demands for a veto.

    On one hand, it is a profound principle of this Administration that every reasonable move in foreign policy should be balanced with something bafflingly stupid. For example, diplomatic relations were open with Cuba, so …. the Administration refuses to exchange the ambassadors with Venezuela. Or the Administration supports Kurds in Kobane in their fight with taqfiris, even though Erdogan despises them, and supports taqfiris in the south of Syria, plus spins plan to train 5000 of moderately crazy taqfiri fighters, but as this could upset the reasonable/stupid balance, implementation is quite slow, perhaps waiting for an opportunity to do something sensible.

    So a reasonable step if such magnitude, first lack of veto for SCUN resolution affecting Israel since ???? would be balance by something so moronic that I shudder thinking about it.

  15. OyVey00 on December 21, 2014, 11:56 pm

    Obama is most concerned with his legacy as a 21st century social justice warrior. He won’t do anything that’d turn the zionist media on him and screw up this legacy.

  16. talknic on December 22, 2014, 3:44 am

    Re ‘veto’ also posted at:

    A) UNSC members cannot veto or vote against pre-existing Law, UN Charter or conventions that have passed into Customary International Law. They may only abstain from voting on resolutions that emphasize or reaffirm the aforementioned.

    UNSC members can only veto resolutions that stipulate what does not pre-exist, such as actions that are to be taken against rogue states.

    B) Although this draft is reaffirming and emphasizing pre-existing binding Law, the UN Charter (also binding), UN/UNGA/UNSC resolutions and agreements, the words “shall” and “will” appear only in the context of what might happen ‘if’ certain conditions are met. This would make it a Chapt VI resolution.

    3. Recognizes that the final status agreement shall put an end to the occupation and an end to all claims and lead to immediate mutual recognition;

    4. Affirms that the definition of a plan and schedule for implementing the security arrangements shall be placed at the center of the negotiations within the framework established by this resolution;

    No actions are stipulated against anyone if they fail to adhere to their obligations under the binding Laws, UN Charter Conventions, previous UN/UNGA/UNSC resolutions, this also makes it an Chapt VI resolution

    A Chapt VII resolution would contain the words “shall” or “will” directly relating to the actions a party or the parties MUST take. A Chapter VII resolution might also dictate what will happen if they don’t.

    • just on December 22, 2014, 9:51 am

      thank you very much, talknic.

      And, no surprise here:

      “Report: India weighs dropping support for Palestinians at UN in wake of closer ties to Israel

      Diplomatic ties between Israel and India have warmed considerably since the election of Narendra Modi in April.”

      • Kay24 on December 22, 2014, 11:43 am

        I saw this coming, Just. All that kissing up, selling weapons to India, sudden love awakening between two nation that were hardly buddies, led up to this. Modi is anti Muslim to begin with, and he is willing to ignore the plight of the Palestinians, just to make his new friend, the Chickenshit, happy. Not so different to the US, come to think of it. Israel has to work hard to get support at the UN.

      • Walid on December 22, 2014, 11:44 am

        Just, there are over 7 million Indian labourers currently working in Arab Gulf states sending money home to their families each month and you’d think India would think twice before dumping the Palestinians. At one point not too long ago, 2 Gulf countries threatened to repatriate all Shia non-national workers if they didn’t get their way about something or other related to the Shia uprising in Bahrain and on another occasion, another Gulf state threatened to repatriate (polite word for expel) 50,000 non- nationals if their home country did not release one of its nationals that had been arrested for some misdeed. Looks like India is lucky to be free of any fear of reprisal against its nationals from the Arabs as far as Palestine is concerned.

      • just on December 22, 2014, 11:59 am

        Thanks Kay24 and Walid.

        I was chagrined when Modi won for many reasons. My fears are coming true in spades. Goodness knows, MW covered the “bromance” well in multiple articles.

        Here’s only one:

      • Walid on December 22, 2014, 12:58 pm

        Kay, Modi was called the Sharon of India by one paper and that should give you an idea of what he’s about. It isn’t any wonder that he hit it off with Netanyahu and is now considering dropping India’s support of the Palestinian cause. You can’t be a friend of the Palestinians and of Netanyahu at the same time, and Modi has made his choice where to lie.

        His extreme-right position was established 12 years ago by his involvement in the massacre of around 1000 Moslems in Gujarat province, which was the province of Gandhi. Modi was never shy to demonstrate his anti-Gandhi feelings. Last May, Modi and his ministers turned up to pay tributes to freedom-fighter Vinyak Damodar Savarkar (1883-1966), the mastermind behind Nathuram Godse’s assassination of Gandhi in 1948.

        Last Friday, Hindu Mahasabha, the extremist party that supports Modi asked the government to provide public places land all over India on which to erect statues and busts of Godse, the assassin of Gandhi.

        Last year before Modi’s election, the Boston Review ran a short bio on him; a small sampling:

        “… Gujarat is known, at least outside of India, as the state that produced Mahatma Gandhi, the frail leader who wore a simple, homespun white cloth and preached nonviolent direct action and the importance of people coming together regardless of caste, religion, or political party. But within India, Gujarat has become synonymous with Modi, who has announced himself as a new type of leader: brash, stylish, prone to bragging about his large chest size, and most significantly for the Indian courts and the international community, unrepentant about his state’s role in the loss of Muslim lives. He may quote Gandhi but he is popular, in short, because he is not afraid of being un-Gandhian.

        … Modi showed a fondness for the Hindu right wing group the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) as a child. The RSS was started in 1925 as a Hindu nationalist movement and reached infamy in 1948 when one of its members, Nathuram Godse, assassinated Gandhi. It was declared a terrorist group immediately after by the Indian government and banned for two years. But today it remains as strong—and hardline—as ever.

        There are an estimated 40,000 RSS camps, or shakhas, across the country where Hindu men and young boys gather each morning to chant slogans and perform a series of exercises, often using a long stick. In the landmark report on the 2002 Gujarat riots, “We Have No Orders to Save You,” Human Rights Watch said it was the RSS that was responsible for passing out lists of Muslim-owned business and homes to mobs at the start of the violence.

        It was at these camps that Modi’s ideas about the world were formed. Modi’s brother, Somabhai, tells Mukhopadhyay that “[Modi] was always greatly impressed by the fact that only one person gave all the orders in the [RSS camp] and everyone followed the command.

        … One Hindu nationalist in Gujarat told the authors, “Muslims will never dare to raise their heads in Surat now. They will have to learn to live in an inferior position as befits a minority.” This, Mukhopadhyay argues, is how Modi defines the Hindutva ideology that is still the core of his worldview. It is not that non-Hindus cannot and should not live in India. But if non-Hindus want to live in peace, they should adhere to Hindu traditions.”

        Full article:

        The last paragraph above shows how much Modi and Netanyahu think alike about non-hindus and non-Jews.

      • lysias on December 22, 2014, 2:34 pm

        Savarkar and the RSS notoriously sympathized with Nazism. Hindu Nationalist’s Historical Links to Nazism and Fascism. They made great use of the swastika. They even approved of Nazism’s anti-Semitic policies:

        While the RSS was not explicitly anti-Semitic (largely because India never had a large Jewish population), Savarkar even praised Hitler’s treatment of the Jews (at least before the death camps and ovens became known to the public at large).

        In 1938, during the time of accelerating anti-Jewish legislation in Germany, Savarkar suggested a similar fate for India’s Muslims.

        A nation is formed by a majority living therein,” he declared. “What did the Jews do in Germany? They being in minority were driven out from Germany.”

        Another senior RSS member, Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar, also praised Nazism and believed the ideology should be applied to India.

        German race pride has now become the topic of the day,” he wrote.

        “To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races — the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan [India] to learn and profit by.

      • Walid on December 22, 2014, 4:02 pm

        Amazing how Modi’s roots go back to nazism and how the Zionists’ actions also go back to the same place. Amazing how Modi and Netanyahu have the same mentality towards their minorities. Now Modi would elevate Gandhi’s assassins, Savarkar and Godse, to hero status. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Netanyahu will be doing likewise with Rabin’s assassin, Ygal Amir. It’s uncanny how both leaders are on a same course; one would have India a Hindu state while the other would have Israel turned into a Jewsh state.We could say that Netanyahu’s Gujarat is actually Gaza. Maybe Netanyahu would convince Modi of allowing Elbit build a separation wall to pen the Moslems.

      • talknic on December 25, 2014, 8:44 pm

        Israel / India …. Add Australia into the mix. The Israeli Australian Indian relationship might go a lot further and be far more insidious than anyone would be willing to admit or brought to light

        In the same time period as Israel making overtures to India and;
        contrary to Australia’s recognition of Israel per UNGA res 181 as requested by the Israeli Government and;
        contrary to Australia’s legal obligation not to recognize any territory acquired by war (adopted into the UN Charter 1945) by;
        watering down its stance on illegal Israeli settlements, while;
        refusing to support Palestinian independent statehood and;
        completely against Australia’s legal obligations to the Non-Proliferation Treaty;
        Australia negotiates to supply India with uranium, thereby;
        undermining regional efforts to develop a huge electrical power grid with Iran at its centre while;
        knowing that like Israel, India has nukes and;
        like Israel India is not a signatory to the NPT!!!

        It reeks of that olde familiar influence the Zionist Federation has refined for more than a hundred years

  17. James Canning on December 22, 2014, 1:15 pm

    Bravo. The US should abstain. No veto, no foolish continuing encouragement of Israel’s illegal colonisation programme in occupied Palestine. Etc etc etc.

  18. Kay24 on December 22, 2014, 7:54 pm

    It seems the Palestinians may postpone their bid at the UN, and will irk the Beebs even more, by
    including East Jerusalem as their capital. This should be interesting.

    “Palestinians include East Jerusalem as capital in new draft of UN resolution
    Palestinians may delay UN vote until next year, after Security Council membership changes take effect.

    The Palestinian delegation to the United Nations has made changes in the draft resolution submitted last week to the UN Security Council, so that the revised proposal now defines East Jerusalem as the capital of the Palestinian state, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki announced.” Haaretz

  19. JLWarner on December 23, 2014, 1:07 am

    I agree. The most important thing for us peace-lovers to do is prevent a U.S. veto in the U.N. Security Council. One thing we can do is support the petition to that effect


    Petition by LA Jews for Peace

    We join with Palestinian leaders and organizations and Israeli public figures in calling for recognition of the state of Palestine alongside Israel, living in peace and security for both people. Already 135 United Nations member states (70%) have recognized the state of Palestine, and other states now are considering doing so. Recognition of Palestine is a step toward resolution of the Israel-Palestine conflict that is in the best interest of the United States and the community of nations.

    You can sign by going to:

    • talknic on December 23, 2014, 6:47 pm

      The petition is well meaning but a misguided waste of energy, time, resources.

      “We must do all we can to prevent an American veto of Palestinian recognition”

      Recognition cannot be vetoed by the US in the UNSC or UNGA or anywhere else for that matter. Recognition is not a UN/UNSC/UNGA function. The process Israel itself went thru is a classic and the best example to show idiot Israeli propagandists

      States 1st exist by their declaration – read Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States ratified by the US 1934 !!!

      They’re then recognized by individual nations within the International Comity of Nations as they see fit on an individual basis. The International Comity of Nations is NOT a UN body. There is no vote between them on recognition.

      The nations of the world did not hold a vote between each other to recognize Israel. The UN held a vote AFTER the UNSC recommended Israel, AFTER individual recognitions by the majority in the International Comity of Nations

      Recognition is similar to Customary International Law. When a majority of states in the International Community of Nations have adopted a legal custom such as the Geneva Conventions, the legal custom then automatically pass into Customary International Law. There is no vote!

      Once the majority of states have recognized a state, the UNSC can then recommend that already existing and recognized state for UN Membership. Again, Israel is a classic and perhaps the best example: 1) Declaration 2) plea for recognition 3) recognition 4) UNSC recommendation for UN Membership 5) acceptance into the UN

      The talk of the US vetoing recognition is a nonsense.

  20. Henry Norr on December 23, 2014, 3:45 pm

    Matthew wrote: “In an ideal world… [Obama] would also cut off all $6 billion of military aid to Israel contingent on Israel radically shifting from an apartheid society to an equal-rights society….”

    In an ideal world, he would cut off all military aid to Israel, period, not contingent on anything. Even if they suddenly got to be good guys, why should they get any US taxpayer dollars for weapons (or, for that mtter, for anything else)?

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