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Above is a cartoon, by Cameron Cardow of the Ottawa Citizen, that USA Today selected as its daily editorial cartoon for February 2. It’s not a terribly hard cartoon to parse: Islam is the modern equivalent of Nazism, and threatens a new Holocaust. The cartoon lists entities that have nothing in common with each other aside from their connection to Islam–political movements like Hezbollah and Hamas, who have been the targets of far more violence than they are responsible for, along with groups like ISIS and Boko Haram, terrorist groups whose victims are primarily Muslim. Hezbollah and ISIS are actually engaged in intense warfare with each other.

In case you missed the point, the cartoon puts one of the holiest phrases in Islam–”Allah Akbar,” or “God is great”–in the mouth of a Nazi skeleton.

(Along with its roll call of Muslim villains, the cartoon includes the phrase “politically correct”– which I can only take to mean that people who criticize the politics of cartoons — for example — are a kind of Nazi too.)

No doubt defenders of the cartoon will say that it’s only talking about the bad kind of Islam, which is just as persuasive as making a list of all the horrible people you can think of from a particular ethnic group and then saying that you’re only talking about the bad people from that ethnic group. One would hope USA Today would decline to make such a smear its daily editorial cartoon.

Following criticism of the cartoon by FAIR and intense feedback from readers, Brian Gallagher, the editor of USA Today‘s editorial page, wrote to those who had contacted him about the cartoon:

Dear readers,

I rarely respond to letter-writing campaigns, but I’ll take a moment to respond to this one because I think that FAIR’s glib analysis of the editorial cartoon published recently in USA Today is so reflexively unthoughtful that it undermines the goal we share: to fight Islamophobia.

I imagine many of you are unfamiliar with what we’ve said on the issue, and therefore vulnerable to false suppositions, but our history on the subject is extensive and public. Time and again since 9/11, we’ve written editorials and published columns debunking attempts to blame all Muslims for the acts of extremists, whether in the dispute over the New York mosque or, in a more positive vein, to point out why the radical Islamists have gotten so little traction here.

But that does not mean the public debate should be sterilized to the point where the behavior of the extremists cannot be exposed, criticized or mocked, simply because a false inference might somehow offend someone.

Criticizing violent Islamists does not tarnish all Muslims any more than criticizing Nazis is an offense to all Germans (though all surely suffer from the association).

In that context, FAIR’s superficial assumption plays right into the Islamists’ hands. Is there anything they’d like better than for an attack on them to be perceived by all Muslims as an attack on them?

If you parse the available evidence, I think it’s nearly indisputable that the cartoon’s target was the terrorists. Here it is:

* The cartoon pictures a skeleton in a Nazi uniform bearing the names of ISIS, Boko Haram and other groups. The message is that those groups pose a genocidal threat akin to the one posed by the Nazis. They surely do. And what purpose could there be in including the names if that was not the point? None, I think. Nor would we have published the cartoon without them.

* The cartoon also shows the skeleton shouting “Allah Akbar.” Yes, this is an expression of faith employed throughout Islam. But one sad consequence of the extremists’ actions is that the term has been hijacked. Much of the non-Muslim public now identifies those words as a defiant declaration of faith uttered by terrorists before blowing themselves up. We’ve seen this over and over again. This may be uncomfortable, and it surely is a perversion, but it is also fact. So is the cartoonist who is trying to effective by playing into his readers’ frame of reference really out of bounds in using the image to convey a point about Islamist extremism? I think not. If some people are offended, their anger should be directed at the terrorists who’ve corrupted the words, not at those who criticize them. It was a sharply targeted cartoon utterly unlike Charlie Hebdo’s gratuitous attacks on Islam generally.

* An additional line of criticism is that by publishing a cartoon of this nature, we’re making a joke. I get that one. I’ve seen it before on unrelated subjects. But it is rooted in a misunderstanding of what editorials cartoons are. While they frequently employ humor to make a point, getting laughs is not their purpose. Witness the somber or inspirational editorial cartoons that typically appear after tragedies like 9/11, or look at the nature of the content that surrounds them on editorial pages. They are not comic books or comic strips. Rather, their goal is to provoke thought, sometimes by making people uncomfortable.

Another measure of a cartoon is the spontaneous reaction it evokes from readers. This one didn’t draw much–three critical letters, three complimentary letters and one making a tangential point. I’m excluding the FAIR-driven letters, as we always do with letter-writing campaigns, because they are repetition of a single opinion exposed by the organization driving the letter-writing campaign.

But the larger point here is about the nature of public debate as the world–-and Muslims in particular–-try to cope with the threat of radical Islam. We need to see Islam as it is: a predominantly peaceful religion that is afflicted by a primitive minority that seeks to override the rules of modern civilization.

I guarantee you we’re going to pursue that mission in two ways. We are going to continue attacking Islamophobia, and we are going to continue rallying people against the threat posed by radical Islam. And we will attempt to do so more thoughtfully than the well-intentioned but counterproductive critic at FAIR who played not to your reason but to your emotions.

Thank you for hearing me out.

Sincerely,

Brian Gallagher
Editorial page editor
USA Today

To which I replied:

Dear Mr. Gallagher:

Allow me to pitch you a couple of cartoon ideas.

How about a Nazi skeleton bearing the names of Meyer Lansky, David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz, the Stern Gang, Leopold and Loeb, Bernie Madoff and Baruch Goldstein? In case readers don’t catch what these villains have in common, we could have a word balloon saying, “Mazel Tov, Baby!”

If that doesn’t appeal, perhaps the same Nazi skeleton but this time with labels like “Lord’s Resistance Army,” “Fred Phelps,” “IRA” and “Tim McVeigh”? He would be holding in his arms a bombing victim, and coming out of his mouth would be the phrase “Body of Christ, Baby!”

Get it?

I’ll save you the trouble of writing a rejection letter, because I know why you wouldn’t run cartoons like these: You would recognize that lumping people together who have nothing in common but their religion is straight-out bigotry. You wouldn’t take it seriously as a defense if I pointed out that the Lord’s Resistance Army and McVeigh really were bad guys.

Yet your cartoonist can put ISIS, Iran, Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, the Taliban, Hamas and “Jihad” into one pot and label them all “Allah Akbar,” and you don’t see what the problem is. That inability to apply the same rules of decency when it comes to Islam is, I think, itself a form of Islamophobia.

You say that the letters you got were the “repetition of a single opinion” driven by FAIR. I can assure you that each person who wrote to you saw that cartoon themselves and gave you their own reaction to it. I doubt any of them would not have seen an anti-Muslim message in it had they not been swayed by FAIR’s emotional appeal.

Regards,

Jim Naureckas
Editor, Extra!

You can send feedback to USA Today’s  editorial page editor Brian Gallagher at [email protected]. Please remember that respectful communication is most effective.

A version of this post first appeared on the Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting website

Jim Naureckas
About Jim Naureckas

Extra! Magazine Editor Since 1990, Jim Naureckas has been the editor of Extra!, FAIR's monthly journal of media criticism. He is the co-author of The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error, and co-editor of The FAIR Reader: An Extra! Review of Press and Politics in the '90s. He is also the co-manager of FAIR's website. He has worked as an investigative reporter for the newspaper In These Times, where he covered the Iran-Contra scandal, and was managing editor of the Washington Report on the Hemisphere, a newsletter on Latin America. Jim was born in Libertyville, Illinois, in 1964, and graduated from Stanford University in 1985 with a bachelor's degree in political science. Since 1997 he has been married to Janine Jackson, FAIR's program director. You can follow Jim on Twitter at @JNaureckas.

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  1. Walid
    Walid on February 9, 2015, 1:40 pm

    Jim Naureckas’ letter said all what should be said.

  2. just
    just on February 9, 2015, 1:58 pm

    “I think that FAIR’s glib analysis of the editorial cartoon published recently in USA Today is so reflexively unthoughtful that it undermines the goal we share: to fight Islamophobia.”

    Horse manure.

    Thanks Jim Naureckas @ Extra!, and to FAIR.

  3. eGuard
    eGuard on February 9, 2015, 2:22 pm

    So USA Today, who prints a million copies each day, does not like “letter-writing campaigns”? … FAIR who played not to your reason but to your emotions. Unlike the cartoon itself?

    We are going to continue attacking Islamophobia. I expect Sharon, Begin, Livni, Peres, Netanyahu in one cartoon.

  4. Marnie
    Marnie on February 9, 2015, 2:23 pm

    Wouldn’t it be horrible if this was part of some kind of plot to enrage any extremist into violent action like Charlie Hebdo, except in the US? And just like France needed a hero (unbeknown to them), a hero is headed for the shores of the US (in early March actually), a real statesman, a man who knows your pain and with his vast experience in victimhood, will go to congress and tell President Obama what he has to do. Bomb Iran, of course. Doesn’t this all seem like the longest nightmare ever?

  5. eljay
    eljay on February 9, 2015, 2:32 pm

    Mr. Brian Gallagher:
    – How is “Politically Correct” a “violent Islamist”?

    – Since when is Iran a “violent Islamist”?

    – If “Never Again” actually matters, why are “Zionism”, “Plan Dalet”, (supremacist) “Jewish State” and “Greater Israel” missing from the skeleton’s uniform?

    – Since criticizing violent Jewish supremacists does not tarnish all Jews, will USA Today be publishing cartoons depicting a Nazi skeleton representing Zionism and the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project?

  6. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer on February 9, 2015, 2:50 pm

    Nazi analogies are usually juvenile and this one is as well.

    Germany was a first world industrialized nation with one of the most powerful armies on the planet. Comparing that to terrorist groups which couldn’t take and hold a small island with the fire power arrayed against it is plain silly.

    The inclusion of Hamas and Hez in the groups is totally inappropriate. It was done either out of ignorance or intentionally with ill intent.

    The terrorist groups are quite dangerous but in their own right and for their own reasons.

    Gallagher is the one playing to emotions and without reason (as was Cardow)

    • just
      just on February 9, 2015, 3:04 pm

      This analogy is dangerous, though. It flames the fires of Islamophobia, the very thing that Gallagher claims to “fight”.

      It also gives those (Netanyahu et al) that conflate Hamas and Hizbullah (resistance movements) to ISIS some kind of legitimacy.

      “Gallagher is the one playing to emotions and without reason (as was Cardow)”

      True.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer on February 9, 2015, 3:46 pm

        Yes very dangerous. Muslims are the target of the same propaganda techniques that were used against Jews.

        Very very dangerous and Nutty & Co are doing all they can to fan the flames.

    • Donald
      Donald on February 9, 2015, 3:55 pm

      Yeah, putting Hamas and Hezbollah in with ISIS is inaccurate. What it really says is that when Israel bombed Gaza, it was fighting Nazi-level evil. Anyone who can count knows who committed more war crimes in the Gaza War, so would Gallagher publish a caricature of Netanyahu in a Nazi uniform? I wouldn’t, but then I also wouldn’t do this with Hamas or Hezbollah. As you say, Nazi analogies are usually juvenile.

      Some months back I stumbled across a “liberal” Reformed rabbi online who was defending Israel’s actions in Gaza, while claiming he felt sympathy for most Palestinians. He only hated the bad ones, Hamas. That’s how one justifies killing hundreds of children.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr on February 9, 2015, 7:04 pm

      @og
      lol lol lol;

      “Nazi analogies are usually juvenile and this one is as well-”

      the sheer hypocrisy of that statement coming from a regular supporter of the MW agenda could make one choke on a snowflake

      • annie
        annie on February 9, 2015, 8:34 pm

        not everyone here makes nazi analogies.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 9, 2015, 8:59 pm

        “a regular supporter of the MW agenda”

        No wonder they zio-bot are so worried about “normalization” and playing ‘who’s-your-Pappy’.
        They suffer from agenda confusion.

        See the “about” page, Dabakr, it might help.

        Anyway, I love the wonderful A-Ha!-Found-you-out-at-last-and-I’m-telling-M-mmee-on you” tone, like you’ve finally eked out the awful secret Mondo has been trying to hide since it’s inception, and now, and now, and now what, Dabakr? Never could figure that out. Will you be taking Mondo before the Agenda Comission?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 9, 2015, 9:13 pm

        annie- not everyone here makes nazi analogies, true. but no one but the zionists object when they read nazi analogies here.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 9, 2015, 9:26 pm

        “annie- not everyone here makes nazi analogies, true. but no one but the zionists object when they read nazi analogies here.”

        And that makes the rest of us Nazis-by-proxy! Oh Lord, I’m a proxy-Nazi.

        What should I do, Yonah, tell them they shouldn’t feel that way? Or tell them the parallels and correspondences they find don’t exist?

        Are you going to save Zionism by telling people what to think and how to think and what they can say? Yonah, my friend, that is not something you are good at. In fact, rather the opposite, but hey, be your bad self, man!

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr on February 9, 2015, 9:53 pm

        @an
        I agree, about the “not everybody” . the nazi analogy is a very poor analogy and always has been. just as in the case of the above cartoon-its a bad analogy. nazi analogies tend to be the lazy and/or stupid persons way of making a point. i get that hurling “nazi” around is a way some people think they can express extreme anger-including a lot of Jews but it becoming more and more empty.

        and @msr keeps chirping nonsense difficult to understand -unless its in secret code- about his “mommy and pappy” so there is really no telling whats going on in a mind like that. if its humor, its beyond,..

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer on February 10, 2015, 12:02 am

        @yonah

        While I have little time for nazi analogies I take it you are no longer #charlie?

      • on February 10, 2015, 8:49 am

        The fact that a Zionist supporter uses an analogy in which he can actually choke of a snowflake (?) gives us a glimpse into a very confused mind. Choke on a snowflake?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr on February 10, 2015, 10:49 am

        @giles.
        sorry if the unlikelihood of the presented situation is beyond your scope. to simplify: nazi analogies are in general, very bad-be they by or against Jews or by or against Muslims

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 11:41 am

        “and @msr keeps chirping nonsense difficult to understand -unless its in secret code- about his “mommy and pappy” “

        Dabakr, I can explain it quite easily. I have determined that Zionists have modernized and improved the ancient religion, and replaced (very hip!!) the old male Hebrew G-d, with a female deity, called “M-mmeee”, to whom they address their brochas. The ceremony requires lots of whine.

        But as far as the “who’s-your-Pappy”, that’s easy. Aren’t you the one who is always worried about being “legitimized”? Maybe Gerry Springer could help, or Maury.

      • Cliff
        Cliff on February 10, 2015, 11:42 am

        @ DaBakr

        What’s the MW agenda?

        There is no Israel without a Jewish majority and no Jewish majority without occupation, ethnic cleansing, and endless war and discrimination.

        Who gives a **** about the ‘MW agenda’?

        Last I checked, Israel kills more civilians than Hamas. It’s Israel doing the occupying and stealing of land and resources and lording over non-Jews.

        But you’re oh so concerned about the ‘MW agenda’.

        Cultists like you – by definition – accept all the horrible things your cult does. While it’s certainly true that anti-Zionism has it’s sacred cows, we are in the right because we do not support ethnic cleansing, discrimination, endless war, killing children, etc. etc.

        Meanwhile Zionists on MW like hophmi support pedophilia and killing civilians so long as a Zionist Jew is doing it.

        Comparing the comments section of Haaretz, YNET, Arutz Sheva, AtlasShrugged, et al. will demonstrate EASILY that it is YOU and your CULT that are the most vile and hate-filled in this conflict.

        Don’t even try to play it off otherwise.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr on February 10, 2015, 2:21 pm

        @cliff
        try and stick to the subject. and even so…some of those commentary sections are not moderated the way mw is so there is no comparison
        @mssr
        ok. so you have “determined” your own personal (and ridiculous) explanation and language for things. why am i not surprised. good luck with that.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 2:58 pm

        “Meanwhile Zionists on MW like hophmi support pedophilia”

        Oh, no, I’m sure the girls and boys in the arranged marriages Hophmi favors are of age! You might be surprised how low the age-of-marriage is in some states.

      • eljay
        eljay on February 10, 2015, 3:13 pm

        || Cliff: Meanwhile Zionists on MW like hophmi support pedophilia and killing civilians so long as a Zionist Jew is doing it. ||

        Zio-supremacists are hateful and immoral and, time and again, they’ve demonstrated that they support supremacism, ethnic cleansing (when “necessary”), oppression, theft, occupation, colonization, destruction, torture and murder…when Jews are the ones doing it.

        But pedophilia? I honestly don’t recall seeing hophmeee or any of his co-collectivists supporting it.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 10, 2015, 6:04 pm

        oldgeezer- I have no idea what you are talking about. i never said jesuischarlie, though i believe in free speech to the extent that i do not favor murdering cartoonists. if this does not clarify, then put some more words in a sentence so that i can figure out what you are saying and i can approximate whether you are trying to communicate or merely heckle. (heckling is good too, but just so that i can tell what your intent is.)

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 10, 2015, 6:17 pm

        Yonah

        Do you think killing Gazan journalists is acceptable ? Or is just cartoonists who should be protected ?

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:18 pm

        ” though i believe in free speech to the extent that i do not favor murdering cartoonists.”

        So as you say, you would be fine with censorship, and prior restraint, but don’t think journalists should be murdered. You’re a regular libertarian, Yonah!

        And I might add, one hell of a clear writer! It’s always easy to know exactly what you mean.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 10, 2015, 6:30 pm

        The level of death aimed by Israel towards Gaza since its withdrawal in 2005 has been demoralizing. Israel seems not to know what it’s doing and seems to be set on a “violence is the only way” path. Because the roots of Gaza’s abnormal status are intimately connected to 1948 even Israel’s center-left is not able to break away from its pattern of wishing gaza to disappear. the killing of journalists in gaza should be seen in that context. The fact that gaza is controlled by Hamas and also that gaza is legally connected to the West Bank and will not/cannot make a separate peace with Israel are factors as well. But i would not have fought the war against gaza and i think israel’s policy on gaza needs a major rethink, which it will not get from bibi. (herzog is grasping at straws.) yes, i am opposed to killing journalists in gaza.

      • just
        just on February 10, 2015, 6:35 pm

        It’s not only in Gaza that the IOF kills journalists.

        You could have just said a simple yes, instead of that dissertation that really made no sense.

      • just
        just on February 10, 2015, 6:47 pm

        PS~ “the killing of journalists in gaza should be seen in that context.”

        huh?

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 7:23 pm

        “But i would not have fought the war against gaza”

        When did you decide you were against the attacks on Gaza, Yonah. Your archive is full of comments from you approving, or excusing the attacks. BTW there’s no “war”.

        Anyway, when did you change your mind? Not of course, when it might have mattered. But wait a minute, what am I saying: you are coming around Yonah (naturally you can’t be honest about it) and I should just lean back and let you turn yourself into an anti-Zionist. Read your own comment Yonah: That’s your brain on Mondo! Good for you!

        EDIT: Oh wait, sorry, Yonah, but Fritz barked. You said “I would not have fought….” Of course you wouldn’t, you’re a nose-holder, and a celebrator, not a fighter.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 11:12 am

        “the killing of journalists in gaza should be seen in that context.”

        Yonah’s got Fritz frantic, running in circles. C’mon, Yonah, he’s only a dog! Don’t drive him nuts!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 12:58 pm

        “ok. so you have “determined” your own personal (and ridiculous) explanation and language for things. why am i not surprised. good luck with that.”

        Hey, pal, “the personal is the political”. You should give it a try some day.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 1:17 pm

        “Because the roots of Gaza’s abnormal status are intimately connected to 1948 even Israel’s center-left is not able to break away from its pattern of wishing gaza to disappear. the killing of journalists in gaza should be seen in that context. The fact that gaza is controlled by Hamas and also that gaza is legally connected to the West Bank and will not/cannot make a separate peace with Israel are factors as well.”

        By the same token it must be fine to kill innocent Jews. Because I honestly can’t see the difference between dead Gazans and dead Jews.

  7. Egbert
    Egbert on February 9, 2015, 3:52 pm

    In Ukraine, there are Nazi groups (Nazism is a political ideology) taking part in the ethnic cleansing of Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east of the country. One of the worst groups is called Pravy Sektor. One of its leaders, the parliamentarian Borislav Bereza, was interviewed in Tablet Magazine, and the article stated that he “Is (Surprise) Jewish, and (Real Surprise) Proud of It”.

    http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/187217/borislav-bereza

    Couple that imagery with this image taken at the Wailing Wall, and Mr Cardow could make a real satirical cartoon if he wished.I suspect he would stick with his political correctness.

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10696295_739657939486036_7130676742962501161_n.jpg?oh=61c4ba2abdfd2deb411bc03306be74ea&oe=555E411C&__gda__=1433026212_bfb17265fd810e6fe3b5efc8e8e99e5f

    • on February 10, 2015, 9:04 am

      “..not everyone here makes nazi analogies, true. but no one but the zionists object when they read nazi analogies here .”

      Says yonah as he defends the use of a Nazi analogy by USA Today and attacks the MW posters who oppose it.

      Up is down, war is peace, black is white once you go thru the Zionist Looking Glass.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 10, 2015, 6:06 pm

        Giles- It’s a stupid cartoon and i feel that those who use nazi analogies at the drop of a hat are in no position to be respected in their umbrage at the careless use of nazi analogy. and those who tolerate nazi analogies without fail are hypocrites for their sudden umbrage in this instance.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:25 pm

        “hypocrites for their sudden umbrage in this instance.”

        Yonah, I had an uncle who died (may he play slap-and-tickle with the angels!) of a sudden umbrage. I think it was a burnt umbrage.

        He probably got it cause he leered at an umbrage girl. He was lascivious like that, harmless, but unpleasant.

    • on February 10, 2015, 2:24 pm

      Jesus Debakr.

      You make a ridiculous analogy and get called on it…but it is someone else’s fault?

      Not an ounce of honor in these Zionist Apologists, is there?

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye on February 10, 2015, 5:18 pm

      Hmm. Maybe Tablet online commenters on such articles would be the reason they’re introducing (cover your eyes now, Phil and Adam!) a pay to comment system!

  8. hophmi
    hophmi on February 9, 2015, 4:30 pm

    “Islam is the modern equivalent of Nazism, and threatens a new Holocaust”

    Oh please. Are you serious? It’s analogizing Islamic extremism to Nazism, not Islam itself.

    “How about a Nazi skeleton bearing the names of Meyer Lansky, David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz, the Stern Gang, Leopold and Loeb, Bernie Madoff and Baruch Goldstein? ”

    Your analogy is beyond ridiculous. How does a few Jewish criminals and a tiny extremist organization of a few hundred people from three generations ago equate to an ideology that claims the support of hundreds of millions of people, has murdered hundreds of thousands of people in brutal attacks, and in some cases, controls vast amounts of physical territory?

    You’re simply trying to shut down any debate about Islamic extremism.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 9, 2015, 9:08 pm

      “You’re simply trying to shut down any debate about Islamic extremism.”

      Hophmi, there’s no debate on Islamic extremism which need detain you from your duty. If you are determined to join Special Forces and become a sniper, nobody will stand in your way. Good luck, soldier!

      • andrew r
        andrew r on February 9, 2015, 9:42 pm

        If you are determined to join Special Forces and become a sniper, nobody will stand in your way. Good luck, soldier!

        Don’t give him any ideas.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 10:14 am

        Already there. I pick off the stupid arguments of people here on a daily basis.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 11:49 am

        “Don’t give him any ideas.”

        Believe me, “andrew r”, there’s no worry about that! Hophmi, get an idea? I’m not sure that’s even a possibility.

        I’m not kidding. Take a look at his archive, by clicking his name above a comment. Select any point, beginning, middle, ending of the archive, which goes back years. Than ask yourself if Hophmi has gotten any ideas.
        He has, rather, a bad case of the hobgoblins which haunt the little mind.

      • amigo
        amigo on February 10, 2015, 1:34 pm

        “Already there. I pick off the stupid arguments of people here on a daily basis.”hopknee

        You might do better picking your facial protuberance .An unobstructed nasal passage will allow air to get to your brain .The result might be clearer thinking.

        Ok , so I am an hopeless optimist.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:09 pm

        “Already there. I pick off the stupid arguments of people here on a daily basis.”

        I’m glad it’s not fly season here. I sat there for five minutes with my mouth hanging open. They could have gone in and picked the food from between my teeth, (a guy needs a snack between meals, you know!) and left with no danger whatsoever.

        Sure, Hophmi, that’s just what you do. When the Moderators put you through, of course.

        Very modest of Hophmi to dissuade the thousands of people who read his comments and go “Atta-boy, Hophmi, way to pick off those stupid arguments!” from registering and backing him up. But as I say, he’s way too modest to allow that.

        And way to modest, to tell us which two Muslim outreach organizations boards he is on. Anytime, Hop, anytime you care to enlighten us? (I can go and get Hophmi’s quote from his archive, claiming this distinction.)

        Hophmi, the Zionist Sniper, and undercover Muslim-outreach board director!

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 10, 2015, 6:20 pm

        “Already there. I pick off the stupid arguments of people here on a daily basis. – ”

        Hoppy. I thought in Jewish culture that sort of thing is only acceptable if it’s said by your mother
        My hoppy, he’s so smart. He’s a doctah of hasbara.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:34 pm

        “Hoppy. I thought in Jewish culture that sort of thing is only acceptable if it’s said by your mother”

        You know what Hophmi needs? Hophmi needs to have his eyelids propped open with broken toothpicks, and be made to watch “The Jazz Singer” BOTH VERSIONS, over and over again!

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 10, 2015, 6:36 pm

        mooser- 3 versions of the jazz singer. jolson and neil diamond and danny thomas.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 7:30 pm

        “and danny thomas.”

        You think Hophmi needs that much therapy, Yonah?

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 2:16 pm

        “and Danny Thomas”

        You got me, I was piling it on.
        Yonah, the original 1927 (now available digital) is the one Hophmi needs to see, the Neil Diamond was pure sadism on my part.

    • andrew r
      andrew r on February 9, 2015, 9:53 pm

      Then you’d concur with likening Nazism to Zionism, an extremist ideology which led to the targeting of civilians to create a religious-racial state. Or Christian European racism which has led to a number of genocides on most of the planet. Not to mention the cartoon is the product of someone who has no interest in analyzing or closely following any of the conflicts the listed paramilitary groups are taking part in. Hamas departed Syria so they would not drag Palestinians into the fighting, though Assad did drag Yarmouk into his own killing spree.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 10:16 am

        “…Christian European racism which has led to a number of genocides on most of the planet.”

        Yes, well, Christian European racism actually led to fascism, so it’s not a big jump.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:16 pm

        “Yes, well, Christian European racism actually led to fascism, so it’s not a big jump.”

        Of course! The line from the Crusades to Hitler is so direct! Why haven’t I seen it before? But why are you calling it “Christian European racism”, “Hophmi?”.
        JeffyB told us just the other day it was all a response to the Muslim designs against and danger to Europe! Don’t you agree?

    • Kay24
      Kay24 on February 10, 2015, 3:32 am

      Baruch Goldstein was a terrorist, let’s remember his merry men of the JDL:

      “In a 2004 congressional testimony, John S. Pistole, Executive Assistant Director for Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) described the JDL as “a known violent extremist Jewish organization.”[27] FBI statistics show that, from 1980 through 1985, there were 18 officially classified terrorist attacks in the U.S. committed by Jews; 15 of those by members of the JDL.[28] According to the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs,[29]” WIkipedia

      “On February 25, 1994, Baruch Goldstein, an American-born Israeli member of the JDL, opened fire on Muslims kneeling in prayer at the revered Cave of the Patriarchs mosque in the West Bank city of Hebron, killing 29 worshippers and injuring 125 before he ran out of ammunition and was himself killed. The attack set off riots and protests throughout the West Bank and 19 Palestinians were killed by the Israeli Defense Forces within 48 hours of the massacre.” Wikipedia

      They are FULLY qualified to be portrayed as deadly terrorists, but of course you will disagree.
      Aw, how sensitive you guys can be when it comes to your terrorists.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 5:51 am

        Baruch Goldstein killed 29 people and was condemned by the entire Jewish world. No one in the Jewish community supports JDL terrorist attacks either, and no one has any trouble condemning them as terrorist attacks. Radical Islamists have killed hundreds of thousands of people and are supported by hundreds of millions of people. No comparison. I know facts are hard.

      • annie
        annie on February 10, 2015, 12:41 pm

        condemned by the entire Jewish world. No one in the Jewish community supports JDL terrorist attacks either, and no one has any trouble condemning them as terrorist attacks

        oh please, there’s a shrine set up for him and hundreds of thousands of people worship him.

        The Hebrew inscription on Goldstein’s grave monument reads, in part:

        “The revered Dr. Baruch Kapel Goldstein… Son of Israel. He gave his soul for the sake of the people of Israel, The Torah, and the Land. His hands are clean and his heart good… He was assassinated for the Sanctity of God”
        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/murderer-baruch-goldstein#sthash.Q8p4ngmg.dpuf

        condemned by the entire Jewish world my ass.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod on February 10, 2015, 2:14 pm

        Damn, Annie!
        Are you a wrestler or something?
        You just pin these guys to mat like you do it for a living!

      • annie
        annie on February 10, 2015, 3:59 pm

        hops makes it so damn easy sometimes cigargod. he’s got this hankering to drag the whole kit n kaboodle “jewish world” along in agreement with himself to make his (worthless) point. note he’s never satisfied to say lots of people in the Jewish community condemned, or i don’t support “JDL terrorist attacks”. oh no, the entirety of the jewish world is in perfect unison in their condemnation and no one likes JDL!!! which is total bull because if no one supported them they wouldn’t exist.

        anyway, hops makes it like swatting flies, i really can’t take too much credit for that take down…too easy. but thanks! ;)

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 10:18 am

        Put through my comment regarding the JDL.

      • just
        just on February 10, 2015, 2:20 pm

        Captain of the truth squad team, CG!

        Oopsie, hophmi becoming imperious.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 2:31 pm

        Annie: What percentage of Jews internationally worship Goldstein’s shrine? Hint: it’s a fraction of 1%. What percentage of Muslims internationally support ISIS? Around 10-15%, maybe more. Let’s see – a few hundred people who worship at the shrine of a guy who gunned down 29 Muslims and was condemned by the entire worldwide Jewish community for it, versus well over 100,000,000 radical Islamists who support ongoing beheadings, immolations, ethnic cleansing/genocide of Christians, etc. Yeah, it’s totally comparable. NOT.

      • annie
        annie on February 10, 2015, 4:18 pm

        What percentage of Jews internationally worship Goldstein’s shrine?

        that’s kind of irrelevant hops. what percentage of americans have worshiped MLK’s shrine vs those who worship the man? 1%? if you think only a few hundred people wear kahane lives t-shirt i have a bridge to sell you. jewish fanaticism is alive and thriving, unfortunately NOT limited to a few hundred people or 1%. back in 07 the kach party had 15% support, and it’s grown vastly since then in israel.

        take a look at this image before you talk to me about radical Islamists. https://scottlong1980.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/comparaison-entre-vicitimes-de-baa-et-de-daech.jpg

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:20 pm

        “Put through my comment regarding the JDL.”

        Oops, the sniper fires off another dud. Hey Hopmi, if you want to shoot down all those stupid arguments, you gotta get ’em printed, first. Try ordering Annie around a little more forcefully.

        I don’t think you did yourself any good when you used that ‘Do-you-want-to-see-all-the-Jews-dissapear, baby’ come-on on Annie the other day, Hophmi.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:38 pm

        “Baruch Goldstein hero” got me 178,000 results. And lots of posters. “Condemned by the entire Jewish world”? Hardly, Hophmi. Would you like to link us to the condemnation issued by “the entire Jewish world”? Feel free. Mostly he seems to be a hero, or somebody at worst, to make excuses for.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:43 pm

        “No one in the Jewish community supports JDL terrorist attacks either”

        Gee, Unka Hophmi if we are a “Jewish community” why can’t we get the JDL to do what is in the ‘tribal interest’. Now Hopmi will answer, and we can watch the “Jewish community” crumble into a tiny, wee, babe which can’t control anything.

        In that case Hophmi, what good is being condemned by “the entire Jewish world”. It’s obviously quite powerless.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 4:30 pm

        ““Baruch Goldstein hero” got me 178,000 results. And lots of posters. “Condemned by the entire Jewish world”? Hardly, Hophmi. ”

        Oh, you used Google? Well, good for you. Did you bother to look at the results? The first two are wikipedia article about the Hebron massacre. The third is a ynetnews article about the crazy people who gather at Goldstein’s grave to worship every years – all “several dozen” of them. What percentage of 14 million is “several dozen?” Hint: you need 14000 to get to one percent, so that would be a lot more than several dozen. Well, you say, 6,000,000 Jews live in Israel, not 14 million. Guess what? Several dozen still amounts to a small fraction of one percent, just like I said.

        Aw, how stupid you look when you cite the exceptions that prove the rule.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye on February 10, 2015, 5:26 pm

        @hophmi
        You give no source for the stats you throw at us.
        Nevermind, we can tell where you pulled them from, they stink enough!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 5:56 pm

        Would you like me to refine my search, Hophmi? That was mere guess work.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:44 pm

        “You just pin these guys to mat like you do it for a living!”

        She has to be ready to render them hors de combat at a moments notice! Did you see the line Hophmi tried to hand Annie on the DWS-intermarriage thread? That was nasty! Wanted to make her, well, personally responsible, in a most unwholesome way, from what I saw, for the declining Jewish birth-rate.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 10, 2015, 9:11 pm

        Hoppy, you have totally missed the point. Baruch Goldstein and the JDL were deadly violent terrorists, and they are fully qualified to be used as a horrible example of Jewish terrorist in a similar poster. How many support or don’t support these scumbags, is totally irrelevant.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 11, 2015, 10:56 am

        Look, people, you made the comparison between ISIS and Baruch Goldstein. You haven’t substantiated that Goldstein’s attack was supported by any more than a fringe of a fringe. Why is so damned difficult for you people to admit that Islamic radicalism is a serious problem separate and distinct from Islam itself? Why the defensiveness? Why the intellectually bankrupt comparisons to the most extreme fraction of a percent of a religion that is less than a hundredth of the size of Islam? Why is it that supporting the Palestinians causes you to apologize for ISIS and to adopt their rhetoric about the Jewish community? You need to examine that. It seems like radical left tribalism on your part.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 1:05 pm

        Told ya! Hophmi is starting to ‘mutter’. Bad sign, usually. Short, but I know a mutter when I hear one. They are usually addressed to everybody and nobody and are about everything and nothing.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 2:55 pm

        “You haven’t substantiated that Goldstein’s attack was supported by any more than a fringe of a fringe.”

        Nonsense, Hophmi. First, the attack was discussed for quite a while, by every denomination, and then of course, a vote taken. After that settlers began turning up outside the Patriarch’s Mosque and jeering “Hoo boy, are you guys gonna get it!” and on the actual day of the attack, Goldstein’s path was entirely lined by Zionists throwing rose petals, and followed by a bevy of cheerleaders turning handspring, and leading the crowd in “the wave”.

        Besides, was Goldstein a man you could really discuss things with? Can you imagine yourself going up to him while he’s getting ready and saying: “Uh, look, Emmanuel, about that attack tomorrow, could you maybe call it off, I mean, just as a favor, and we’ll discuss some alternative form of terrorism, instead? Just sayin’ but not everybody is for it”
        I just don’t see Mr. Goldstein being swayed by appeals to, well, tribal unity, if you know what I mean, but of course, I didn’t know the man.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 3:00 pm

        ” You haven’t substantiated that Goldstein’s attack was supported by any more than a fringe of a fringe.”

        And Hophmi goes again to the bottomless well. He’s got the Jews and there, and he pulls them up, or lets them back down again as needed. But he never comes up empty.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 3:07 pm

        “Baruch Goldstein killed 29 people and was condemned by the entire Jewish world ”
        +
        Fringe of a fringe etc- bullshit/

        If Goldstein had been in uniform he’d have videos on youtube about him. The cult of Jewish violence against Palestinians.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXYA8puO5Gw

        Jewish Hebron is funded by people from “the entire Jewish world”. The money pours in.
        Same with Kiryat Arba, the rabid settlement Goldstein came from

        Don’t forget the incitement, Hoppy. Netanyahu did it in 94 just like he did last year when those 3 Jews were killed. and nobody shouted stop. You never hear from the ADL when Netanyahu is inciting.

        Goldstein took up the call, just like that Jew who burnt a young Palestinian to death by pouring petrol down his throat and lighting it did.

        All rotten apples, right?
        Wrong. The barrel is rotten.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 3:15 pm

        Mooser

        Hoppy comes up empty and makes a lot of noise in that vessel.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 3:18 pm

        “Wrong. The barrel is rotten.”

        Oh, when the barrel contains “self-determination” and “nationalism” and “normalization” and (lol) “legitimacy”, it’s a stanless-steel tank-car, leak-proof and full to the brim (caution: contents under pressure!)
        But all of a sudden, we’re talking about Goldstein, there’s a hole in the bucket, Mariah, and the Jewish people get a bad case anomie all of a sudden. Nobody knows anybody else or what they were up to. Where’s the tribal unity?

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 3:24 pm

        Tribal unity is bound and gagged in the trunk together with coherence, that known anti -semite

      • Walid
        Walid on February 13, 2015, 3:25 am

        The JDL recruitment drive in Montreal happens in 3 days and we’ll see which types join up.

        Both on the JDL- Canada website and in a Radio-Canada interview, it’s stated that one of the objectives of JDL is to set up a security team composed of people in proper physical condition with the right skill to be be trained in self-defense. He’s most probably talking about something along the lines of JDL-France that are given courses in Krav Maga martial arts by IDF or ex-IDF trainers in a Paris building hall owned by the French Ministry of the Interior. Those “security teams” in France roam the streets at night supposedly on the lookout to help Jews in distress but that are actually more involved in finding Arabs to pick fights with them. The JDL-France was very much involved in the July 2014 riots in France during Palestinian peace marches and have succeeded directly or indirectly in having caused the French government to marches for Palestine.

        In the radio interview, Meir Weinstein mentioned that another team will be set up for intelligence-gathering to be passed on to the police. Weinstein equates BDS or anti anti-Israel activity to terrorism to be addressed by the JDL. He ended by calling on all Jews to show their gratitude to Prime Minister Harper for being pro-Israel by voting for his Conservatives in the fall elections. Most of Canada’s Jews usually vote Liberal.

        Taken from the JDL About Us:

        “… HOW THE JEWISH DEFENCE LEAGUE OF CANADA IS BUILDING A TEAM TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES:

        •Education
        ◦ by engaging professionals to relate actual facts about the issues
        ◦ to provide facts from legitimate sources
        ◦ to correct disinformation
        ◦ to spread the truth of rights according to the Torah

        •Self-Defence
        ◦ The laws of self-defence have been given to the civilized nations of the world by the teachings of the Torah.
        ◦ Professional physical trainers will be engaged to teach people how to defend themselves in any situation. We must not run from adversity because of inexperience or fear. We must be able to stand up for our rights and the rights of our people according to the laws of the country.
        ◦ We will teach appropriate response to verbal abuse.

        •Security
        ◦ The Jewish Defence League of Canada will work in conjunction with various security and policing departments to ensure the security of Jews and Jewish institutions.

        •Media Monitoring
        ◦ This is a vital aspect of JDL’s program – you can participate through this program by keeping us informed of disinformation and negative propaganda about Israel and the Jewish people that is being presented to the general public.

        •Protests
        ◦ We have all been witness to anti-Israel/Jewish protests. The vitriolic hatred is shocking. Our leaders offer little comfort to our community in their inability to gather the Jewish Community together to respond.
        ◦ JDL will protest publicly whenever and wherever necessary.
        ◦ JDL will urge our Jewish Leadership to respond effectively to these events.

        …NEVER AGAIN…”

        http://www.jdl-canada.com/about-us/

        In the testimonials section of their website, you can see photos of their security squad that’s referred to as the ‘Jewish Guardian Angels”

      • Walid
        Walid on February 13, 2015, 3:39 am

        Other than having attempted killing people in California and having one its members commit the Hebron massacre, and the 2014 Paris riots, the JDL internationally is known for its other infamies.

        From Wiki:

        In 1995, when the Toronto residence of the Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel was the target of an arson attack, a group calling itself the “Jewish Armed Resistance Movement” claimed responsibility; according to the Toronto Sun, the group had ties to the JDL and to Kahane Chai.[54]

        The leader of the Toronto wing of the Jewish Defense League, Meir Halevi, denied involvement in the attack, although, just five days later, Halevi was caught trying to break into Zündel’s property, where he was apprehended by police.[54][55] Later the same month Zündel was the recipient of a parcel bomb that was detonated by the Toronto police bomb squad.[56]

        In 2011, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had launched an investigation against at least nine members of the JDL in regards to an anonymous tip that the JDL was plotting to bomb the Palestine House in Mississauga.[57]

        In 2002, in France, attackers from Betar and Ligue de Défense Juive (LDJ) violently assaulted Jewish demonstrators from Peace Now, journalists, police officers (one of whom was stabbed), and Arab bystanders.[58] At least two of the suspects in the 2010 murder of a French Muslim Saïd Bourarach appeared to have ties to the French chapter of the JDL.[59]

        In 2011, Israeli daily Haaretz reported members of the “French branch of Jewish terror group coming to Israel ‘to defend settlements’.”[14]

        In 2013, a French Arab man was critically injured in a “revenge attack” by LDJ, sparking calls for further attacks against the Jews and a condemnation of the militant group by the French Jewry umbrella group CRIF;[17] as of 2013, there have been least 115 violent incidents were attributed to LDJ “soldiers” since the group’s registration in France in 2001, including many vigilante reprisals to antisemitic attacks. Earlier that year, two LDJ members were sentenced for an attack at a pro-Palestinian bookstore that injured two people and a LDJ propaganda video called for “five cops for every Jew, 10 Arabs for each rabbi.”[60]

        In June 2014 two LDJ supporters were sentenced to prison in France for targeting the car of Jonathan Moadab, the Jewish co-founder of the blog “Cercle des Volontaires (Circle of Volunteers)”, with a home-made bomb in September 2012.[61]

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League#Outside_the_U.S.

        The loudest voices heard against the JDL are coming from responsible Jewish organizations.

    • on February 10, 2015, 8:56 am

      Zionism and its supporters number millions and are responsible for far more death and violence than any Islamic groups.

      Notice how dupes of the Zionists like hophmi always have some horseshit excuse for why it is okay to be racist towards Islam but it would not be okay to be the same toward Jews. Or why it is okay for Zionists to engage in actions that would be evil if undertaken by anyone else.

      “..an ideology that claims the support of hundreds of millions of people, has murdered hundreds of thousands of people in brutal attacks, and in some cases, controls vast amounts of physical territory?” Now who does that sound like to you? Ah, the irony

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 9:07 am

        Again, criticizing terrorist organizations is not the same thing as criticizing Islam. It’s amazingly ironic to hear from people who spend all day bashing a Jewish state whose existence is supported by most of the world’s Jews and claiming that it’s not antisemitism claim that a cartoon that clearly targets radical Islam, which is supported by a 10 or 15% minority of the world’s Muslims, is Islamophobic. It sums up the agenda here in a nutshell.

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 10, 2015, 9:10 am

        It is always obvious that they become so insanely sensitive when it comes to Jews, but any racist attacks on Muslim/Islam is fine and they deserve to take it. I have seen some real ugly remarks against Islam and the Prophet, many of them lies and twisting the truth, and you could sense the hatred in these hasbarat types. The moment anyone responded about the Israeli government, their policies, their crimes, they were immediately called anti-semitic. This pathetic attempt to shut us up still goes on.

      • hophmi
        hophmi on February 10, 2015, 10:19 am

        Put through, please.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 3:25 pm

        “Put through, please!”

        ‘Here at Mondoweiss, they handle 54 billion comments a year, moderating everyone, from Kings and Queens, to the scum of the earth…’

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:01 pm

        “become so insanely sensitive when it comes to Jews,”

        And when it comes to Jews who don’t agree with them, they are just as sensitive, but of course, those can’t be Jews.

        Have you seen how many times Yonah and Hophmi have kicked out Phil Weiss a man intensely concerned with Jewish affairs out of the Jews?

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 10, 2015, 9:23 pm

        Mooser, in their zionist diseased minds, no Jew that disagrees with their doctrine, propaganda, or cannot justify their crimes, are considered a “real” Jew. That is where the “self hating” accusations begins.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 11:22 am

        “Mooser, in their zionist diseased minds, no Jew that disagrees with their doctrine, propaganda, or cannot justify their crimes, are considered a “real” Jew. That is where the “self hating” accusations begins.”

        Oh, Kay, can that possibly be true? I mean, there’s so few of us left, surely Zionists wouldn’t let mere political differences, or denominational differences separate us from each other? Don’t count that good old “tribal unity” out, Kay! It’s never failed us before, has it?

        Sorry, sorry, that’s a Geritol comment. I wouldn’t want to get irony-poor blood.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 3:21 pm

        Hoppy- what is the difference between a terrorist org and the IDF ?
        There isn’t any.

    • eljay
      eljay on February 10, 2015, 9:06 am

      || hophmi: … an ideology that claims the support of hundreds of millions of people, has murdered hundreds of thousands of people in brutal attacks, and in some cases, controls vast amounts of physical territory? ||

      This thread is about the U.S. now? Huh.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr on February 10, 2015, 2:29 pm

        @ej
        || hophmi: … an ideology that claims the support of hundreds of millions of people, has murdered hundreds of thousands of people in brutal attacks, and in some cases, controls vast amounts of physical territory? ||

        This thread is about the U.S. now? Huh.

        -Hah!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 2:31 pm

        “Hah!”

        Shall we go over the reasons why America, in spite of all that horrible stuff is still around?
        Go work on the birth-rate, DaBakr.
        When you can get a Jewish colonial project which can draw millions upon millions of people to a huge undiscovered (to them) continental mass, populated by relatively easy people to vanquish, and eventually come to terms with, and very susceptible to the diseases the Europeans brought with them as a ‘bonus’, you can start saying “hah”.
        Oh yeah, I forgot about slave labor, and indentured servitude, which played a big part in getting the US going. You gonna try those in Israel?

        This has bugged me for a while; okay, Germany, Russia, heck, England in its day and the US, yes, all guilty of horrible amoral transgressions, internal conflict, economic cataclysms political debacles, world war and most of all, tremendous human waste, the waste of lives, and they are all still around! Sustaining casualties in the tens of millions.
        Okay, shall we compare their resources, and the forces holding them together, or in the case of the US, contributing to inexorable growth, and keeping them going, with those of Zionism?
        That’s the league you’re going to play in? Go work on the birth-rate, friend.

        And go work on a moral defense for Zionism. An amoral defense won’t cut it.

      • eljay
        eljay on February 11, 2015, 6:39 pm

        || DaBakreee: -Hah! ||

        Heh. But it’s no laughing matter.

      • RoHa
        RoHa on February 11, 2015, 6:41 pm

        “And go work on a moral defense for Zionism. An amoral defense won’t cut it.”

        The problem there, Mooser, is that Zionists don’t understand morality. They think it includes exception clauses for the Jewish “people”, and that all they have to do is invoke those clauses and – bingo! – Zionism is moral.

        Then they think there is something wrong with us when we don’t agree.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 9:17 pm

        “Mooser, is that Zionists don’t understand morality.”

        Maybe that’s why they make those stupid appeals to amorality. “Why can’t we be like the big countries?”

      • eljay
        eljay on February 12, 2015, 4:59 pm

        || RoHa: The problem there, Mooser, is that Zionists don’t understand morality. ||

        I think they understand what it is supposed to be, but they’ve chosen to redefine it (to goal + methods) to suit their unjust and immoral purposes.

    • American
      American on February 10, 2015, 10:11 am

      ” Your analogy is beyond ridiculous. How does a few Jewish criminals and a tiny extremist organization of a few hundred people from three generations ago equate to – …”…..hoppie

      You are more than a few jewish criminals and your extremist organiz ation isnt tiny and it still exist today as we see.

      I find using the nazi analogy to be very effective when talking to people who arent completely educated on Israel.
      Thanks to all the Hollywood movies everyone knows what the nazis were about so its not hard for them to grasp the similarities in what nazis did and what Israel does. ….chosen race, domination, persecution, conquering land, etc..

      As long as the Holocaust Industry uses the nazis to excuse israel I will keep using the nazis analogy to expose their hypocriscy.
      No one likes hypocrites ether.

      Calling ISIS type Islam nazis doesnt make Israel not nazis……all who act like nazis can be called nazis..

      • eljay
        eljay on February 10, 2015, 1:26 pm

        || American: … what Israel does. ….chosen race, domination, persecution, conquering land, etc.. ||

        The Zio-supremacist credo appears to be “Never again…unless we’re the ones doing it.”

        It’s a far cry from “Justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied.”

        Funny thing is, although I subscribe to the latter credo, Zio-supremacists seem to think I’m the one who’s hateful and immoral! (“Ils sont fous, ces Sio-suprématistes!”)

  9. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia on February 9, 2015, 4:38 pm

    The messages in this cartoon are not one but many. Nazi was not preoccupied with one local conflict but was interested in creating,sustaining,and winning many . Nazi was highly techno cal educated and until late enjoyed remarkable relationship with the churches,Zionist,freedom movement in third world countries ,active supporters in US and business relationship.
    American media’s narratives on Iraq,Iran,Syria,and Libya have been debunked and discredited . The close relationship in multiple realms with the administration have been exposed . The lies are out there staring at their’s journalistic souls.
    So why should I believe the canard they say about any Jihadist? Right now they are lying about Ukraine nd Iran for well connected echo chambers out of American defense,academy government,and think tanks are asking them to say so.
    The only similarity between Nazi and the Jihadist I see lie in the common genesis out of poverty,exploitation,sanctions,and also helping g hands to both coming from the same western government .
    A Muslim might get hurt to see this cartoon. But what does a Muslim do :say in Pakistan,Malayasia,or Saudi or Turkey? Why don’t they create cartoon? Why don’t they blacklist any news organization that are related to say Fox or USA Today? Why do they allow NYT or WSJ to report from thir lands or operate from their shores?
    Why do nt they throw out Denmark or France ? Why don’t they create their own legal organization that can have jurisdiction like the laws safeguarding the sanctity of Holocaust have in Europe?
    Muslims are begging these providers to be fair and good. I think that will not happen. What Ottawa Citizen or USA Today does is related to the impotence of the sheltered elite in the face of moral bankruptcy,financial adversity,general sense of nearing the end of the dominance that has lasted for 500 years. While military is trying to do their part in many ways to preserve the skeleton painted with the color of fresh flesh ,the elite of the information business is trying to give a voice to the decaying corpses of the colonialism. And it sounds exactly like the voice of some deranged agents that departed hundred years ago when the insinuation hating of other and grandiose claims about self formed the bulk of the speech made before burning the villages in Africa or Asia or Latin America.

  10. santasa
    santasa on February 9, 2015, 4:47 pm

    Extraordinary case of giving a simple & straightforward lesson to self-righteous Brian Gallagher – well done, great job by Jim Naureckas

  11. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia on February 9, 2015, 4:52 pm

    Equating Hamas and Hizbullah with Nazis are like Nazis equating the French Resistance movement with the Evil. Nazi used the media . USA Today is proving same services to air the views of those who killed Gazan from the air they way Churchill killed the Kurds with gas . ( One wonders if Churchill carried the beastly pictures of those Iraqis in his pocket in the name of the freedom of the speech and expression to eliminate any guilt)

  12. Pixel
    Pixel on February 9, 2015, 6:01 pm

    Thanks for this, Jim, and for the email address.

  13. John Smithson
    John Smithson on February 9, 2015, 6:39 pm

    I sent this today.

    Mr. Gallagher –

    I am writing to express my bewilderment that you would somehow think the recent Nazi Skeleton ‘Allah Akbar Baby’ cartoon could in any way be part of an effort to fight Islamophobia.

    Quite the contrary, as I see it the cartoon caters to exactly the Islamophobic sentiment you purport to condemn.

    Consider the thought experiment where a similar cartoon is constructed but this time the terrorist groups all share a Christian background with ‘Hail Mary, Baby!, or perhaps a Jewish one with ‘Mazel Tov, Baby!’.

    Would the comparison of Jewish or Christian groups to Nazism be construed as an effort to fight an anti-Christian or anti-Semitic trend? Run that by any Catholic Bishop or Abe Foxman at the ADL and see.

    The courtesy of a reply is appreciated,

  14. Kay24
    Kay24 on February 9, 2015, 8:48 pm

    Now imagine the same cartoon, but with different wording, implying that Israel or Jews are like Nazis, the world will be full of outrage, howls, and wails of anti-semitism.

    This is not even funny, despite the pathetic attempts by the cartoonist.

  15. ckg
    ckg on February 9, 2015, 9:26 pm

    Oh dear. I have always thought of myself as ‘politically correct’ and now, because of this, am I to understand myself as a Nazi? Oh jeezus, is that why I have been recently listening to, and liking(!) Wagner? It was my one secret, forbidden pleasure. Do you want me to immolate?

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 10, 2015, 11:55 am

      .” Do you want me to immolate?

      Don’t worry about it. We’ll all go together when we go, in the Masadadammerung.

      • seafoid
        seafoid on February 11, 2015, 12:52 pm

        For the Masadadammerung- count me in Mooser

        What music, though ?

        I want either a Hammond organ or a Moog.
        Eg

        Two inevitables- Zionism dies and hasbara eats itself

        Get that funky Moogie sound going as Zionism iterates itself to a well deserved death , to put itself out of its MISERY

  16. Kay24
    Kay24 on February 10, 2015, 3:16 am

    That is one funny way of fighting Islamaphobia. This is hardly funny. The response by Jim Naureckas was fantastic, and he makes excellent points. This is tarring all Muslims with the same brush, like perhaps Pamela Geller does, and the way Bill Maher carries on about Muslims.

    I am sure commenters here remember that Australian cartoon showing a caricature of a Jewish man, with a remote in his hands, while he watches Gaza being bombed, and how can we not remember, the outrage and accusations of anti-semitism. There was an immediate apology and the cartoon withdrawn, so what makes USA today think it is okay for the Muslims to be portrayed this way? Fighting Islamaphobia? What bull. I guess Islamaphobes might find this funny, and it seems USA today wanted to please them.

  17. CigarGod
    CigarGod on February 10, 2015, 9:48 am

    You guys are amazing. No matter what gem is offered up, you are able to move from facet to facet with your durometer, caliper, loop, spectrometer and scale certifying the character of each stone.
    I think I know what it was like to be alive in the time of Plato.

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 10, 2015, 11:53 am

      “I think I know what it was like to be alive in the time of Plato.”

      Oh, you must be quite a bit younger than me. When I was a kid we played with the stuff for hours! It was everywhere, school, home, and in the cave.

  18. amigo
    amigo on February 10, 2015, 12:31 pm

    everyday words used to talk to or about God.

    1, Good God.

    2, God willing.

    3, For God,s sake.

    4, God only knows.

    5, For the love of God.

    6, God bless.

    7, With the help of God.

    8, Great God.

    9, God,s country. (has to be Israel.)

    10, God,s creatures.

    11, God in heaven.

    12, With Gods help.

    13, In the name of God or in Gods holy name.

    14, God forsaken .

    15, God help me/you/us/them.

    16, Man proposes , God disposes.

    What,s the big deal about people calling God great.Lots of people think he is.Especially God,s chosen ones.

    • seafoid
      seafoid on February 10, 2015, 1:23 pm

      very common in Ireland

      For the love of god
      Thank god
      Please god
      Oh my god

      I remember coming back from the middle east thinking the Arabs are quite religious with wallahi, hamdulallah and inshallah but then I was talking to my uncle and he used the 4 phrases above in the one conversation !

      • amigo
        amigo on February 10, 2015, 1:43 pm

        “I remember coming back from the middle east thinking the Arabs are quite religious with wallahi, hamdulallah and inshallah but then I was talking to my uncle and he used the 4 phrases above in the one conversation ! “seafoid.

        Ah , God love him and may the blessings of Jesus be upon yourself.

    • CloakAndDagger
      CloakAndDagger on February 11, 2015, 1:00 am

      Well for me, the most frequent one is: God damn it!

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 11:35 am

        , “the most frequent one is:”

        Unfortunately, I used to I have a bad habit (truth be told, picked up from my Dad, he was in the Navy in 2. I can say it just like him) of using “Jesus Christ” as an angry expostulation. So naturally, I tempered this quite a bit since getting married. Only right.
        The only thing which can break me is recalcitrant mechanics, dust and grease. And a couple weeks ago, I spent a recalcitrant day amidst the grease and dust of my MIL’s 25 yr old. gas furnace, replacing the fan-motor.
        And my helpmeet (and mechanical assistant) told me that each time I dropped a nut behind the combustion chamber, or encountered one of several other recalcitrances, I appealed to at least one third of their trinity, in an angry tone.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 11, 2015, 3:08 pm

        Oh, I was told, my wife asked to please, not do that at Mom’s house, and she was right. I resolved to do better.

  19. piotr
    piotr on February 10, 2015, 3:23 pm

    Explanation of the editor: “The cartoon also shows the skeleton shouting “Allah Akbar.” Yes, this is an expression of faith employed throughout Islam. But one sad consequence of the extremists’ actions is that the term has been hijacked. Much of the non-Muslim public now identifies those words as a defiant declaration of faith uttered by terrorists before blowing themselves up. We’ve seen this over and over again.”

    In other words, the cartoon serves a valuable purpose of perpetuating ignorance of “much of the non-Muslim public”. I recall that an accident of Egyptian airliner was investigated, and there was a theory that it was caused by terrorist sabotage. Why? Because the black box recorded that at the moment of the catastrophe the pilot exclaimed “Allah Akbar”, while a “normal pilot” would exclaim “oh my God!” It took experts to explain that it would be highly unusual for an Egyptian pilot to shout in English in the face of death, and that his reaction was totally normal, given that he was an Egyptian, which also should not be suspicious.

  20. talknic
    talknic on February 10, 2015, 3:37 pm

    Any country in breach of the UN Charter and International law adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis, is Naziesque. http://wp.me/pDB7k-W8

    • Mooser
      Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:10 pm

      “Any country in breach of the UN Charter and International law adopted in large part because of the treatment of our Jewish fellows under the Nazis, is Naziesque.”

      Oh no. Why, that fact pretty much gives people a defensible reason for and criteria for making Zionist-Nazi comparisons, doesn’t it?

      Of course, as somebody noted above, it doesn’t take any knowledge of the UN Charter and International law to note many similarities between media portrayals of Nazi attitudes and action and the actions and attitude of Israel and Zionists. Of course, those media portrayals of Nazis may have been exaggerated, or didn’t properly understand the people involved, right Hophmi?
      Yes, that might be an avenue you should pursue, Hophmi, if Nazi-Zionist comparisons become to bad. You could point out that the media portrayals of Nazis are false, and they weren’t as bad as all that.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew on February 10, 2015, 6:18 pm

        In depth analysis of the similarities and differences of political systems is within the realm of the thinker. Superficial analogy usage serves a purpose other than thought- it is a way to declare dialogue and nuance forbidden, for just as dialogue with the Nazis is unacceptable, dialogue and nuance in regard to Zionism is also unacceptable. I think this negation of dialogue is wrongheaded and nihilistic insofar as it will lead to more deaths rather than less deaths. some may feel that negation of dialogue is the path to less deaths. those are differing assessments of the situation.

      • Mooser
        Mooser on February 10, 2015, 6:52 pm

        “In depth analysis of the similarities and differences of…. for just as dialogue with the Nazis is unacceptable, dialogue and nuance in regard to Zionism is also unacceptable…. I think this negation of dialogue is wrongheaded and nihilistic

        So you agree with me, those portrayals of the Nazis are false, and Nazis aren’t so bad? I mean, people keep comparing Zionists, to Nazis, but that, as you say, is superficial, not in-depth.

        So you say just as there should be dialogue with Zionists, there should be dialogue with Nazis!

        Yonah, if you want to defend Nazis, for the sake of Zionism, be my guest. That’s what you just did.

      • straightline
        straightline on February 10, 2015, 6:53 pm

        Neville Chamberlain was right! Peas in our thyme!

        http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/peas-in-our-thyme-2408485/1/20

  21. mariapalestina
    mariapalestina on February 10, 2015, 6:41 pm
    • Walid
      Walid on February 10, 2015, 11:00 pm

      “The JDL, no longer active in Montreal, is currently based in Toronto and in Israeli settlements inside occupied Palestine. …” (Independent Jewish Voices)

      The IJV didn’t mention that the JDL is very active and very legitimate in France. It was heavily involved in last summer’s riots during the peace march for Palestine in Paris and the rumble in front of the de la Roquette synagogue while French police stood by like the IDF does on the WB during settler attacks. In France, the JDL has for decades maintained close ties with the French police. For the recruitment meeting in Montreal next week, they’ll succeed in attracting mostly from those that had lived in Israel and that yearn for some action.

      Mondo’s coverage last summer:
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/synagogue-attributed-semitism

      The JDL is also active in the UK:
      http://www.jdl-uk.org/

      • Rashid.M
        Rashid.M on February 11, 2015, 3:33 am

        “The IJV didn’t mention that the JDL is very active and very legitimate in France”

        “Baruch Goldstein is an Israeli physician who in 1994 killed 25 Arab settlers and wounded another 125. He was killed in the confrontation and became a hero for many Israeli patriots” – Eulogy by France’s Jewish Defense League, Ligue de Defense Juive (LDJ), February 22nd, 2014.

        “In France, LDJ is not an illegal organization, although its members have on various occasions been involved in violent confrontations, most commonly in vigilante actions against people they accuse of anti-Semitism or anti-Semitic violence.”

        http://forward.com/articles/193662/french-jdl-praises-baruch-goldstein-s-massacre-o/

      • Kay24
        Kay24 on February 13, 2015, 4:43 am

        Let’s not forget the JDL in the US, when it killed Alex Odeh an Arab activist in California.

        “Shortly before his killing, Odeh appeared on the television show Nightline. The program featured a back-and-forth between Odeh and a representative from the Jewish Defense League, a Jewish armed militant organization which has been characterized by the FBI as a terrorist group involved in numerous attacks within the United States.[6]”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Odeh

  22. Rashid.M
    Rashid.M on February 10, 2015, 10:48 pm

    Brian Gallagher opines:

    “The cartoon pictures a skeleton in a Nazi uniform bearing the names of ISIS, Boko Haram and other groups. The message is that those groups pose a genocidal threat akin to the one posed by the Nazis.”

    It also bears the names of Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran and the ‘politically correct’. To whom do these distinct entities pose a (Nazi like) genocidal holocaust threat, as occurred 70 years ago?

    “Criticizing violent Islamists does not tarnish all Muslims any more than criticizing Nazis is an offense to all Germans (though all surely suffer from the association).”

    But I wonder if instead, a general critique and association of all of Germany with Nazis would be an offense to Germans, in the same way as this plastering of Iran on a Nazi uniform might be to Iranians?

    “The cartoon also shows the skeleton shouting “Allah Akbar.” Yes, this is an expression of faith employed throughout Islam. But one sad consequence of the extremists’ actions is that the term has been hijacked. Much of the non-Muslim public now identifies those words as a defiant declaration of faith uttered by terrorists before blowing themselves up. We’ve seen this over and over again. This may be uncomfortable, and it surely is a perversion, but it is also fact.”

    ? What is the logic of this justification? That because the term ‘Allah Akbar’ has been ‘hijacked’ by a minority, and misassociated by “much of the non-Muslim public” as just ‘terrorist speak’ — therefore Brian thinks it’s fine to not only continue to perpetuate the “fact” of this misconception, but also bears no media responsibility to his audience for any clarification of the “perversion”?

    So is the rule that cartoons which reflect public perceptions are fine, even if those perceptions are a misrepresentation?

    “It was a sharply targeted cartoon utterly unlike Charlie Hebdo’s gratuitous attacks on Islam generally.”

    Or not?

  23. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb on February 11, 2015, 11:55 am

    As a Canadian I feel deep shame. This isn’t Canada, this is the rapidly advancing Americanization of a beautiful country and beautiful people.

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