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Just like the Nazis, Iran ‘plans to exterminate six million Jews’ — Netanyahu

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This was Netanyahu’s Holocaust day speech, highlighted by Nir Hasson, tweeted out by journalist Gregg Carlstrom, and sent to me by Max Blumenthal.

The speech, given yesterday at Yad Vashem (and translated), approaches lunacy. Notice how he repeatedly equates Iran with the Nazis in its aspirations to “establish a master race” that would control the world and in its “plans to exterminate six million Jews.” Notice how he hammers away at the Iran deal the west has negotiated, as if it’s appeasement of the Nazis: “the superpowers back down… the civilized world is lulled into slumber on a bed of illusions.” And we let this man anywhere near our foreign policy? Netanyahu:

There are many around the world who claim that the lessons learned then are still valid today. They affirm: “Never again!” They declare: “We will not turn a blind eye to the expansion intentions of a violent tyranny.” They promise: “We will oppose evil things as soon as they begin.” But as long as these announcements are not backed with practical actions – they are meaningless. Did the world really learn a lesson from the inconceivable universal and Jewish tragedy of last century? I wish I could stand here and tell you that the answer to this was yes.

Today, ever more threats challenge the human civilization. Radical Islamic forces are flooding the Middle East, destroying remnants of the past, torturing the helpless, murdering innocents. They hope to establish caliphates, more than one, like in the Middle Ages. At the same time, the extremist regime in Iran is oppressing its people; it is rushing forward and submerging the Middle East in blood and suffering – in Yemen, in Syria, in Lebanon, in Iraq, in Gaza and across the border of the Golan.

Just as the Nazis aspired to crush civilization and to establish a “master race” to replace it in controlling the world while annihilating the Jewish people, so too does Iran strive to gain control over the region, from which it would spread further, with the explicit intent of obliterating the Jewish state. Iran is advancing in two directions: the first is developing the ability to arm itself with nuclear weapons and accumulate a stockpile of ballistic missiles; and the second – exporting the Khomeinist revolution to many countries by heavily using terrorism and taking over large parts of the Middle East. Everything is out in the open – it is all taking place in broad daylight, in front of cameras. And yet, the blindness is immense.

“For, behold, darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the peoples,” said the Prophet Isaiah. The determination and lessons that were acquired in blood seventy years ago are now dissipating, and the darkness and fog of denying reality are taking their place. The bad deal that is being made with Iran demonstrates that the historic lesson has not been internalized. The West is yielding in the face of Iran’s aggressive actions. Instead of demanding a significant dismantling of the nuclear program in Iran – a country that clearly states its plans to exterminate six million Jews here and elsewhere, to eradicate many countries and many regimes – the superpowers back down. They are leaving Iran with its nuclear capabilities, and even allowing it to expand them later on, regardless of Iran’s actions in the Middle East and around the world.

As the civilized world is lulled into slumber on a bed of illusions, the rulers of Iran continue to encourage subversion and terrorism, and disseminate destruction and death…

Distinguished guests, Israeli citizens and representatives of other countries who are with us, the bubble of this illusion is going to burst. Democratic governments made a critical mistake before World War II, and we are convinced – and I must say that many of our neighbors are too – that they are making a grave mistake now too.

I don’t understand why this type of rhetoric doesn’t make huge headlines in the United States. His closing is his second quotation from Isaiah:

“Shake thyself from the dust; put on thy beautiful garments, my people.” The nation of eternity has shaken itself from the dust, returned home, stood tall, established an outstanding country and an outstanding army, the Israel Defense Force, in which our brave and courageous sons and daughters serve.

So religion is used to justify militant nationalism. This is why David Shulman and others are using the word fascism to describe currents in Israel.

Philip Weiss

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  1. hophmi on April 16, 2015, 10:25 am

    So which part of what Netanyahu said is wrong, Phil? Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly? Has it not held Holocaust denial conferences? Have there not been moments in the past when do-gooders have valued paper agreements over common sense? Iran is a totalitarian state ruled by a cleric. It funds terrorist groups and terrorist attacks around the world. Why is that reality absent, completely, from your analysis? Because it’s too hard for you to contemplate? Because you hate the United States more than you hate Iran? Because you think your Judaism requires you to support Iran? These are questions you should answer, rather than reverting to silly accusations of fascism.

    One doesn’t need to agree with Netanyahu to understand his argument. I don’t agree with him, but I don’t think opposing the Iran deal is fascism.

    • John O on April 16, 2015, 11:55 am

      Self-hating Americans now.

    • talknic on April 16, 2015, 12:05 pm

      @ hophmi April 16, 2015, 10:25 am

      “So which part of what Netanyahu said is wrong, Phil?”

      The article was written for people to read. Try it

      ” Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly?”

      Repeatedly? No. It’s Israel’s propaganda mongers who’re “repeatedly” telling us over and over and over and over and over and over and over about an alleged threat Iran made once. It was actually no more than the UNSC demands of the Israeli Government illegally in Jerusalem http://wp.me/pDB7k-W8

      “Has it not held Holocaust denial conferences?”

      Holding a conference on the Holocaust is not automatically Holocaust denial. What were the results of that conference BTW?

      “Have there not been moments in the past when do-gooders have valued paper agreements over common sense? “

      Yes, like believing Israel’s Declaration of statehood, the Israeli Government’s plea for recognition, it’s statements to the UNSC, it’s commitment to uphold International Law.

      • hophmi on April 16, 2015, 3:58 pm

        “Repeatedly? No. ”

        LOL. You’re in denial, friend. Iranian leaders have been saying this for year. What the heck is “Death to Israel” supposed to mean?

        “Holding a conference on the Holocaust is not automatically Holocaust denial. ”

        Really. Again, LOL. Who showed up? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Conference_to_Review_the_Global_Vision_of_the_Holocaust

        I just love the way people here defend the worst of Iran.

      • Dutch on April 16, 2015, 7:51 pm

        @ hophmi

        Why does it take the Iranians so long, then, to massacre their Jewish population? Is it strategy? They don’t need a bomb to hurt these people – if they wanted that at all.

        And what do they wait for to invade their neighboring countries?

        BTW – If denying the holocaust makes someone a Nazi, what makes that a person who denies millions of people their basic rights and freedom? What would that be a correct way of describing Netanyahu in your vocabulary?

      • talknic on April 17, 2015, 10:11 am

        hophmi

        “You’re in denial, friend. Iranian leaders have been saying this for year. What the heck is “Death to Israel” supposed to mean?””

        Number of times, dates and quotes in full/context … thx

        “Really. Again, LOL. Who showed up? “

        It’s irrelevant who showed up.

        “I just love the way people here defend the worst of Iran”

        Not defending anyone you stupid person, I’m contesting your assertions.

      • Bumblebye on April 17, 2015, 4:00 pm

        @hophmi

        then what the heck is “Death to Arabs” supposed to mean, when screamed by masses of young Israelis? Sinc they’re not stopped, deterred or discouraged by Israeli police or politicians can we take it as Israeli policy?

      • on April 17, 2015, 6:44 pm

        :since when what the heck is “Death to Arabs” supposed to mean, when screamed by masses of young Israelis? Since they’re not stopped, deterred or discouraged by Israeli police or politicians can we take it as Israeli policy? –

        It is actual Israeli policy.

        Not because of any chanting but because Israel regularly kills Arabs.

      • Bumblebye on April 17, 2015, 7:03 pm

        Oh giles! All us sensible folks know that – but now you’ve probably pre-empted the hoph from bloviating about how we shouldn’t take it literally for some obscure reasoning of his own!

      • asherpat on April 18, 2015, 3:10 am

        “The article was written for people to read. Try it”

        What’s there “to read”? I made the effort to compare Bibi’s speach quotes and the “article”. 83% Bibi and 17% “Wow look what bibi says “[more quotes from Bibi]””.

        Oh yes, and there is something that the writer “doesnt understand” – “I don’t understand why this type of rhetoric doesn’t make huge headlines” and allusion to another article that equates Israel with Fascism.

        Did we miss anything, Talknic?

    • eljay on April 16, 2015, 12:07 pm

      Bibi “King” Netanyahu: There are many around the world who claim that the lessons learned then are still valid today. They affirm: “Never again!” They declare: “We will not turn a blind eye to the expansion intentions of a violent tyranny.” They promise: “We will oppose evil things as soon as they begin.” But as long as these announcements are not backed with practical actions – they are meaningless. Did the world really learn a lesson from the inconceivable universal and Jewish tragedy of last century? I wish I could stand here and tell you that the answer to this was yes.

      “King” Bibi is the leader of a belligerent, oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” which, for over 60 years and with impunity, has:
      – stolen, occupied and colonized Palestinian land;
      – oppressed, tortured and killed Palestinians;
      – refused to honour its obligations under international law; and
      – refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      It’s very clear that Zio-supremacists haven’t learned a g*ddamn thing about “never again”, and it’s the height of hypocrisy for a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist like “King” Bibi to condemn Iran for what it hypothetically might do even as he and his supremacist state continue to commit (war) crimes.

    • on April 16, 2015, 12:11 pm

      When has Iran threatened to annihilate the “Jewish state” once, never mind repeatedly. And never mind that it could not do so. And never mind the truth – it is Israel who is looking to get the USA to turn Iran into a failed state like it has done for so many of its neighbors.

      Iran funds terrorist attacks all over the world? No. It funds some homegrown orgs like Hezzbolla in Lebanon that came into being to resist the 20 year occupation of So Lebanon by Israel. Real terror is being visited throughout the ME, in the Ukraine, in Africa, in Pakistan and Afghanistan by the Zionists.

      hophmi, you are the one who hates America with your loyalty to a fascist foreign state. I understand that you have been subject to a lifetime of brainwashing but do you really think that means you have no obligation to overcome that and see the plain and obvious truth.

      • hophmi on April 16, 2015, 4:00 pm

        “Iran funds terrorist attacks all over the world?”

        Yep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

        “hophmi, you are the one who hates America”

        LOL. I’m rubber, you’re glue, and Iran is a state-sponsor of terrorism.

      • talknic on April 17, 2015, 10:20 am

        @ hophmi Wikipedia’s editorial guidelines stipulate third hand opinion over truth and original documents.

      • asherpat on April 18, 2015, 9:54 am

        Giles – so “Death the America – Death to Israel” are invented? Never said by vast masses in Iran?

      • Walid on April 18, 2015, 10:32 am

        “Never said by vast masses in Iran?” (Asherpat)

        Of course it is but do people that say it actually mean it, or are they simply taken up by the roar of crowd and joining in without actually wishing death on anyone? Probably the same insignificant reaction with Israeli youths shouting “death to Arabs” without realizing or meaning what they are saying.There are exceptions of course with some ctually wishing death to either Americans or Arabs, but there aren’t many of those.

        As to Iran, the roar of “death to Israel” is often heard, but never “death to Jews”. You have the same roar in Beirut at Hizbullah gatherings.

      • asherpat on April 18, 2015, 5:14 pm

        @Walid,

        when people that sent their children to clear mine-fields with a book in their pocket say that they want to murder me and my family, I believe them. What do you do sir?

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:39 pm

        when people that sent their children to clear mine-fields with a book in their pocket say that they want to murder me and my family, I believe them.

        Wow, that’s right up there with the blood libels about using Christian blood to make Matzo.

        I have heard this claim for years now, but is there any evidence that children were sent to clear mine-fields? The only sources I found were rabid right wing Islamophobic web sites, none of which actually referenced a credible source.

        Isn’t it funny how Zios love to argue that they take Iranians seriously when the hot heads chant “death to Israel”, but insist they are lying and cannot be trusted when they say they are not interested in nukes?

      • Walid on April 18, 2015, 11:24 pm

        “when people that sent their children to clear mine-fields with a book in their pocket say that they want to murder me and my family…” (asherpat)

        Even if ever proven true, which is highly doubtful as Shingo says, who mined these fields to begin with, and would these children be supposed to show love for Israel? This absurd statement by asherpat is of the same caliber as the one of Yonah wishing Shmuel a “happy Holocaust Day” or Dieudonné singing “chaud ananas”.

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 11:42 pm

        Of course it’s false Walid.

        Iranian law prohibits the recruitment of those under 16, basing itself on the Koranic traditions about war. However, the state broke those rules by the middle of the Iran-Iraq War. As nationalism and anger to the Iraqi invasion spread, some children (along with old men) volunteered for the Basij militia, often from areas destroyed by the Iraqi invasion. All were volunteers, often more passionate about their cause than their adult counterparts, and were mostly over 13 years of age. In 1984, Iranian president Ali-Akbar Rafsanjani said, “all Iranians from 12 to 72 should volunteer for the Holy War.”[46] Young volunteers’ participating in war was heavily utilized by Western media for Anti-Iranian propaganda, and among most popular stories was alleged “distribution of plastic keys to paradise.” Most of such stories were really myths, propaganda, or embellished stories, and the child soldiers simply fought alongside their adult counterparts , often in Basij RPG or mine clearing teams. A small number of schoolchildren currently serve in the ranks of the Basij, an Iranian paramilitary force, according to CSUCS, generally above the age of 16. They have reported that the state conscripts for the regular army at age 19- while accepting volunteers at age 16- and those at 17 can work for the police.[47]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children

      • eljay on April 18, 2015, 11:42 pm

        || asherpat: when people … say that they want to murder me and my family, I believe them. ||

        And when people who have spent almost 70 years committing (war) crimes and flouting international law routinely make existential threats against other people, those other people believe them.

      • asherpat on April 19, 2015, 2:38 am

        @Shingo, @Walid, please don’t sidestep. Do you deny that Iran, from the lowest levels and up to the absolute top repeats ad nauseum “Death to Israel, death to America”?

        Or is it you claim that they just don’t mean it?

        What do you deny?

      • Shingo on April 19, 2015, 4:19 am

        Do you deny that Iran, from the lowest levels and up to the absolute top repeats ad nauseum “Death to Israel, death to America”?

        Iran is a country of 60 million people. Those who chant Death to Israel, death to America are a tiny minuscule of that population.

        And there are no leaders partaking in those chants.

        Do you deny that Israel, from the lowest levels and up to the absolute top repeats ad nauseum “Death to Arabs” or calls for genocide against Arabs?

        And please provide a link to support your claims of children being sent out in to mine fields, or admit you are repeating vile propaganda.

        Many thanks

      • Walid on April 19, 2015, 5:21 am

        “@Shingo, @Walid, please don’t sidestep. Do you deny that Iran, from the lowest levels and up to the absolute top repeats ad nauseum “Death to Israel, death to America”?
        Or is it you claim that they just don’t mean it? ” (asherpat)

        They don’t mean it.

      • asherpat on April 19, 2015, 6:19 pm

        Walid, Shingo

        So the Iranians “don’t mean it” when they chant “death to Israel, death to Amrica”?

        You are either deluded or blinded by your hatred of Judeo-Christian civilization.

      • annie on April 19, 2015, 6:32 pm

        asherpat, all the israelis on the streets screaming death to arabs, should they be bombed? and how many sweet ways can america say we were not making war on the iraqi people as we blasted falluja? so what if a chanting mob says “death to america”? we do it with live ammo, which is worse? words or a drone taking out your family?

        grow up. we’re responsible for the deaths of 4 million muslims in the last few years. so they have every right to say death to america as our leaders plan their demise.

      • peter hindrup on April 19, 2015, 6:39 pm

        What civilisation, or have I missed something?

      • RoHa on April 19, 2015, 9:03 pm

        Given the importance of Christianity in the development of Western civilization after the fall of the Classical civilization, I think a case can be made for calling it “Christian civilization”.

        But to call it “Judeo-Christian civilization” is simply absurd.

      • Walid on April 19, 2015, 10:14 pm

        You are either deluded or blinded by your hatred of Judeo-Christian civilization. ” (asherpat)

        Asherpat, you’re running on empty; read Annie’s post again and you may get a feel of what it’s about and how it serves like a relief valve on a pressure cooker.

      • oldgeezer on April 19, 2015, 11:42 pm

        @asherpat
        “Judeo-Christian civilization.”

        Hey pat… Perhaps you can explain that what means? I have heard it all my life but it’s a rather difficult concept to grasp to be honest.

        How is “Judeo-Christian civilization.” different than a Judeo-Islamic-Hindu-Sikh-pagan-Celtic-Atheist civilization? My apologies to all the groups excluded from the list.

        And why do Jews and Christians claim the rights to our civilizations and exclude others from their contributions if not for reasons of racism and supremacy?

        I am struggling to understand how it Judeo-Christian at all considering how I have heard all my life that Jewish people were excluded and victims of Christians. Can you reconcile that?

        Do you really have a substantive basis for using that historically recent expression other than trying to exclude Muslims from being a part of the formation of our modern society? Such an exclusion would be wildly hysterical to anyone at least a rudimentary grasp of history.

        Lastly, and on a totally philosophical level, perhaps you could explain why I should love our “Judeo-Christian civilization.” which brought us WW I/II, the Nakba, the Holocaust and the Inquisition (only listing some of the top 10 for brevity). Gotta love it!! Or so they say.

      • catalan on April 19, 2015, 11:54 pm

        “Lastly, and on a totally philosophical level, perhaps you could explain why I should love our “Judeo-Christian civilization.” which brought us WW I/II, the Nakba, the Holocaust and the Inquisition” – Oldgeezer
        Antibiotics and the polio vaccine. Bach, Newton, and Shakespeare.

      • oldgeezer on April 20, 2015, 1:08 am

        @asherpat re Judeo Christian principles.

        I want to say that I am not trying to take you to task over this meaningless and trite statement that you made but I can’t as that would be dishonest.

        I was wondering if you could list the various laws (or modifications to the basic law) that have been passed in the Israel in order to give effect to Christian principles in the Jewish supremacist state.

      • oldgeezer on April 20, 2015, 1:39 am

        @catalan
        “Antibiotics and the polio vaccine. Bach, Newton, and Shakespeare.”

        Antibiotics? Penicillin would be Fleming but antibiotics TBD. I’m not sure who created the use of garlic and honey which kills off MSRA which is known to be resitant to modern antibiotics, so no to the general group of drugs.

        Bach…. Brought to you by Bach
        Newton… Brough to you Newton
        Shakespeare…. Well maybe Sir Francis Bacon but there is still a mystery.

        Not surprisingly none of them were brought to you by Judeo-Christian principles or civilization but by talented and dedicated individuals To suggest that scientific progress belongs to a civilization shows absolute ignorance of how science works in the first place. You claim to have accounting and IT as a background. You should be aware of that in terms of the advancement of science. And you must be aware that accounting wasn’t started by either Jewish or Christian civilization.

        Do you always claim the acheivements of others as a group acheivement if you belong to it?

        And what have you accomplished besides seconding the efforts of others?

      • oldgeezer on April 20, 2015, 1:55 am

        @catalan

        I missed the specific reference to polio. Vaccines have been traced back to the Chinese. Huge Judeo-Christian majority there or so I hear.

      • echinococcus on April 20, 2015, 2:02 am

        Asherpat,

        It’s perhaps time to stop your relentless repetition of the absurdity that you personally live in fear because of the “Death to Israel/ Death to America” slogans.

        At the end of the day, those are slogans most reasonable people can subscribe to. We’re talking, after all, of the major imperialist power and the last abominable racial supremacist, genocidal, scofflaw invader state. Both must be stopped in their tracks.

        The point being that the destruction of a state is not that of persons called “USA” or “Israel”. Persons are offered a choice. The South African state, the other one of the evil twins, went down with no bloodletting but that of the Blacks (and a lot of White criminals avoided retribution), so it is not a necessary connection. Pretending that taking down a state is the same thing as harming its inhabitants is just one of the propaganda tactics developed by Dr Goebbels and artistically perfected by the Zionists.

      • asherpat on April 20, 2015, 2:12 am

        It is a challenge to be challenged by so many commenters who live to see the demise of Israel. (que: new attack line!) But even Annie and others use the a straw man technique. My original comment was responding to talknic about the fact that there isnt much “article” here. The fact that Israelis shout “death to Arabs” on the streets of Israel, doesnt disprove my original comment and I cant see any comment here, out of so many, that does – except building straw-men and shooting them.

      • gamal on April 20, 2015, 10:55 am
      • Mooser on April 20, 2015, 11:16 pm

        “Bach…. Brought to you by Bach”

        JS Bach wrote Protestant liturgical music, a Catholic Mass (in B-minor, if you must know) some secular or chamber music, and some concert music (Brandenburg Concertos).
        He never wrote any Jewish music, and was not the author of the Kvetchaturian Tocata. That was another guy.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 16, 2015, 1:54 pm

      ”So which part of what Netanyahu said is wrong, Phil?”

      The fact that you have to ask shows just how deep in Zio doo-doo you really are. How are those ‘outreach’ sessions going for you, hophmi?

      ”Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly?”

      No. And you know it.

    • marc b. on April 16, 2015, 3:17 pm

      you are a lost cause in the war against ignorance. yeah, a ‘totalitarian state ruled by a . . . .’ blah, blah, blah. Israel has a verifiable record of supporting and aligning itself with the most despicable of tyrants, the f*cking Saudi degenerates to name but one, while lecturing the world on the lack of democratic values in the ME. women can drive an effin’ car in Syria and Iran, unlike SA, and unlike any ISIS/Al Nusra creation which the Israelis support. go peddle your transparently hypocritical horse bleep elsewhere, you half wit.

      • RockyMissouri on April 17, 2015, 11:43 am

        Bingo! Thank you.. TRUTH MATTERS!

    • just on April 16, 2015, 3:24 pm

      “Because you hate the United States more than you hate Iran? Because you think your Judaism requires you to support Iran?”

      hophmi~ I don’t think I’m alone when I write that I think that your statements, demands, and questions are beneath contempt.

      • hophmi on April 16, 2015, 4:00 pm

        Just – I don’t think I care what you think is beneath contempt.

      • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:12 pm

        “Just – I don’t think I care what you think is beneath contempt.”

        “Just”, I don’t think Hophmi thinks you are a “gentleman”. I’m staying out of Hophmi’s way. He drags a lotta weight with the editor. The editor, I might remind you, is a “gentleman”

      • Donald on April 16, 2015, 9:57 pm

        What’s with this ” gentlemen” stuff? I must have missed some post where that word came up.

      • Mooser on April 17, 2015, 11:25 am

        “What’s with this ” gentlemen” stuff? I must have missed some post where that word came up.”

        I apologize for not linking, I should have. It’s on the “faithwashing” thread. Hophmi was not pleased with the moderation, and the Mod suggested he contact Phil directly to discuss it. He did, he e-mailed, and he came back and told us about the conversation, and what Phil really thinks of us (and Annie!).
        So I’m stepping lightly from now on. It’s all right here meandering through the entire thread:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/faithwashing-leadership-institute

        And I’m getting just a wee bit tired of Hoph’s analysis of Phils “self-hatred”. One day Phil is a big moser the next he’s a “gentleman” (as opposed to us). Which is it?

        But I’m done with it, they’ll be something new along. Read the thread and decide for yourself.

    • MRW on April 16, 2015, 5:05 pm

      Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly?

      Never. Not once.

      This BS started on October 25th, 2005.

      Ahmadinejad’s exact words in Farsi were: “Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.”

      Anyone with an IQ over 100 and fairly well-read can recognize, without speaking Farsi, that he was quoting an Imam, that he was referring to a regime (rezhim-e), and that he was speaking about Jerusalem (qods), not Israel. He was talking about a government, not a people nor a nation state. In fact, he was quoting Khomeini talking about the regime occupying Jerusalem.

      Iran has not attacked another country for 300 years. Why would it start now? Why should anyone even entertain the verkahtah craziness you pro-Israeli loons keep insisting is the truth, when an average Joe can see through the delusions easily?

      Yet here you are using Phil as your dart-board once again for all the nutso stuff you can’t seem to figure out on your own. After all these years, why?

    • zaid on April 16, 2015, 5:08 pm

      the claim that iran/arabs wants to annihilae of the jews is one of the biggest lies that zionists always repeat.

      here is the khamenei tweet that netanuaho repeat every 5 minutes.

      https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir/status/531366667377717248

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 10:15 am

        @zd
        so screaming “Death to Israel” in the streets for over 30 years in gov’t sponsored rallies has nothing to do with annihilating Israel? strange then-what it must really mean.

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:18 pm

        so screaming “Death to Israel” in the streets for over 30 years in gov’t sponsored rallies has nothing to do with annihilating Israel?

        No, seeing as there have been no attempts by the government to annihilate Israel.

      • Walid on April 19, 2015, 12:10 am

        “No, seeing as there have been no attempts by the government to annihilate Israel.” (Shingo)

        Exactly, those millions that attended the political rallies that had shouts of “death to Amreeka” and “death to Israeel” are not the ones doing any killing of anybody. Those that have been going around killing minorities, destroying churches, mosques and religious Islamic vestiges and cultural heritage sites of others like Assyrian museums and the Buddhas of Bamiyam are Israel’s pals, the Islamists crazed with the fanatically ultra puritanical teachings of Mohammed ibn Abdul-Wahhab, born in 1702 in what became Saudi Arabia. The Prophet Muhammad, in his lifetime had ordered the protection of churches and synagogues.

    • JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 5:42 pm

      RE: “Have there not been moments in the past when do-gooders have valued paper agreements over common sense?” ~ hophmi

      ANSWER: Absolutely! A great example of that is when the U.S. relied upon Israel’s repeated, written assurances back in the 1960s that it was not developing nuclear weapons.

      SEE: “How Israel Out-Foxed US Presidents”, By Morgan Strong (A Special Report), ConsortiumNews.com, 5/31/10

      [EXCERPT] ● Secret Nukes and JFK
      . . . Even as it backed down in the Sinai [following its invasion in 1956], Israel was involved in another monumental deception, a plan for building its own nuclear arsenal.
      In 1956, Israel had concluded an agreement with France to build a nuclear reactor in the Negev desert. Israel also signed a secret agreement with France to build an adjacent plutonium reprocessing plant.
      Israel began constructing its nuclear plant in 1958. However, French President Charles de Gaulle was worried about nuclear weapons destabilizing the Middle East and insisted that Israel not develop a nuclear bomb from the plutonium processing plant. Prime Minister Ben-Gurion assured de Gaulle that the processing plant was for peaceful purposes only.

      After John F. Kennedy became President, he also wrote to Ben-Gurion explicitly calling on Israel not to join the nuclear-weapons club, drawing another pledge from Ben-Gurion that Israel had no such intention.
      Nevertheless, Kennedy continued to press, forcing the Israelis to let U.S. scientists inspect the nuclear reactor at Dimona. But the Israelis first built a fake control room while bricking up and otherwise disguising parts of the building that housed the plutonium processing plant.
      In return for allowing inspectors into Dimona, Ben-Gurion also demanded that the United States sell Hawk surface-to-air missiles to the Israeli military. Kennedy agreed to the sale as a show of good faith.
      Subsequently, however, the CIA got wind of the Dimona deception and leaked to the press that Israel was secretly building a nuclear bomb.
      After Kennedy’s assassination, President Lyndon Johnson also grew concerned over Israel’s acquiring nuclear weapons. He asked then-Prime Minister Levi Eshkol to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
      Eshkol assured Johnson that Israel was studying the matter and would sign the treaty in due course. However, Israel has never signed the treaty
      and never has admitted that it developed nuclear weapons. [For details, See “Israel and The Bomb” by Avner Cohen.] . . .

      ENTIRE REPORT – http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/053110.htm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “How Israel Hid Its Secret Nuclear Weapons Program”, By Avner Cohen and William Burr, Politico.com, April 15, 2015
      An exclusive look inside newly declassified documents shows how Israel blocked U.S. efforts to uncover its secret nuclear reactor.
      LINK – http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/israel-nuclear-weapons-117014.html#.VTAsifnF98E

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 6:45 pm

      ” Why is that reality absent, completely, from your analysis? Because it’s too hard for you to contemplate? Because you hate the United States more than you hate Iran? Because you think your Judaism requires you to support Iran? These are questions you should answer,”

      This must be one of those ‘gentleman-to-gentleman’ conversations between Hophmi and Phil. A tamavate balegoola like me better stay out of it. The quality is speaking.

      I just hope Phil isn’t susceptible to shameless flattery.

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:50 pm

      Hophmi, you are doing a matzoh (that’s unbalanced bread, the kind one uses to start an ‘outreach’ “foundation”) for the Jewish community by exposing someone who claims to be a ‘gentleman”. You have expanded on this before, like this:

      “Regrettably, Phil’s ranting often mimics classic antisemitic tropes. It is quite common for people who belong to minorities that have long histories of persecution to internalize that persecution and to regurgitate it. Phil does that often, in my view, because he is uncomfortable with who he is. He has trouble embracing the idea of Jewish political consciousness unless it is identical to radical political consciousness. He has trouble embracing Jewish practices to the point of pillorizing others who choose them, even as they respect his choice not to adopt them. He pillorizes his people for being “chosen,” and then insists on holding them to a much higher standard than everyone else when it comes to the exercise of power and national sovereignty. He takes his insecurities and advances them onto everyone else.” The inimitable Hophmi.- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/69#sthash.JwAUXfRa.dpuf

      Hophmi, I just don’t know, what on earth can we do with a person like that.

    • Sibiriak on April 16, 2015, 9:09 pm

      hophmi: ” Iran…threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly? ”

      False.

      “Iran is a totalitarian state ruled by a cleric.”

      False.

      “It funds terrorist groups and terrorist attacks around the world.”

      False

      ” Why is that reality absent, completely, from your analysis?”

      Because your “reality” is a string of falsehoods. And you made no attempt to substantiate them.

    • dgfincham on April 17, 2015, 10:49 am

      “Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly? ” No. The policy of Iran is that the political entity “Israel” should cease to exist,but not that Iran is going to take part in the process. This is how the Supreme Leader says it should happen: http://english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1202&Itemid=13

      “The logical solution is the one that must be accepted by all morally fair individuals across the world and all those who believe in the conventions of the modern world. The logical solution is to hold a referendum among the people of Palestine, including all those who have been displaced from Palestine and who, of course, are willing to return to their homeland. That is a logical solution. Those who have been displaced in Lebanon, Jordan, Kuwait, Egypt, and other Arab countries should return to Palestine. And a referendum should be held among all those who used to live in Palestine before the year 1948 – that is, the year the fake Israeli government was established – including Muslims, Christians, and Jews. These people should be allowed to determine the government of Palestine in a referendum. That is democracy.

      • pjdude on April 20, 2015, 8:12 pm

        so basiclly true real self determination rather than the fake zionist one

    • dgfincham on April 17, 2015, 11:12 am

      @hophmi No authoritative Iranian political or religious leader has ever threatened that Iran will make a military attack on Israel. 50$ US to your favorite charity if you can prove me wrong.

      • Mooser on April 17, 2015, 11:30 am

        “50$ US to your favorite charity if you can prove me wrong.”

        I’m sure he can suggest an inter-faith outreach program which could use the funds.

      • MHughes976 on April 17, 2015, 12:01 pm

        Maybe some Iranian leaders have made remarks which can only be interpreted as bloodthirsty. However it is not true that anyone who wants Israel not to exist must for that reason desire that some people be killed: the desire may be only for Israel’s replacement a new polity, with no current Israeli excluded, in which the unjust privilege given by Israel to people who are Jewish is abolished.
        If I heard the cry ‘Death to the United Kingdom!’ – and of course there are those who want the UK to depart from existence and be replaced by separate English and Celtic states – I might be distressed and frightened at the disruption involved but I would not take it, unless it was amplified in some relevant way, as a call to kill or exile or dispossess me or anyone, even a single person, who is English.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 6:05 pm

        @mh

        let Israel know the next time there are mass government sponsored rallies in more then 3 countries simultaneously where the crowds are all shouting ‘death to the United Kingdom’ and we’ll let you know if we think you have anything to be paranoid about

    • Antidote on April 17, 2015, 7:00 pm

      “Has Iran not threatened to annihilate the Jewish state repeatedly? Has it not held Holocaust denial conferences? ”

      Hophmi, none of this makes any sense. If it was as true or obvious as you suggest – that Iran has threatened to annihilate the Jewish state – why back that up with a reference to the Holocaust denial conference???

      If Iran wanted to destroy the Jewish state in the sense of killing 6 million Jews, one would expect a conference on topics such as:

      “Why did Hitler fail to complete the task?”

      ” How to build bigger and better gas chambers”

      or:

      “This time, there will be no survivors”

      The Wikipedia link you posted on the participants and arguments presented at the conference tell quite a different story.

      • Antidote on April 17, 2015, 7:22 pm

        Netanyahu’s peddling of the Book of Esther is just as moronic:

        From Haaretz, March 5, 2015:

        “Iran: We saved the Jews three times; Netanyahu should learn history”

        Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on Wednesday attacked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s accusations in his recent speech to the U.S. Congress that Iran wants to destroy Israel.

        In an interview with NBC, Zarif said that “Iran saved the Jews three times in its history,” insinuating that Netanyahu should brush up on his history lessons.

        Zarif said Netanyahu distorts both the current reality and the writings in Jewish sources and the Bible.

        “It is unfortunate that Mr. Netanyahu now totally distorts realities of today,” Zarif said. “He even distorts his own scripture. If you read the book of Esther, you will see that it was the Iranian king who saved the Jews. …

        “It is truly, truly regrettable that bigotry gets to the point of making allegations against an entire nation which has saved Jews three times in its history: once during that time of a prime minister who was trying to kill the Jews, and the king saved the Jews; again during the time of Cyrus the Great, where he saved the Jews from Babylon, and during the Second World War, where Iran saved the Jews.”

        see also: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4556/germans-iran

  2. just on April 16, 2015, 10:57 am

    Somehow I knew that Nir Hasson’s graphic and Carlstrom’s translation would land here at MW. It’s powerful.

    Netanyahu has only one meme, and it’s wearing terribly thin. When will the American people recognize that they’re being played?

    You rightly ask: “And we let this man anywhere near our foreign policy?”

    He and Israel have more than one “army”. They are legion.

    • Krauss on April 16, 2015, 12:32 pm

      Netanyahu is 100% correct.

      They declare: “We will not turn a blind eye to the expansion intentions of a violent tyranny.” They promise: “We will oppose evil things as soon as they begin.” But as long as these announcements are not backed with practical actions – they are meaningless

      This sums up U.S policy to Israel for many decades now.

      • Atlantaiconoclast on April 16, 2015, 6:24 pm

        isn’t the projection just amazing?

      • Citizen on April 17, 2015, 8:12 am

        hophmi is the biggest pot I’ve even encountered calling the kettle black. In attempting to diagnose Phil, he diagnoses his own projecting mentality. HIs whole spiel here is a gaggle of very factually deficient accusations., the most repetitive banal gross lies in the Zionist catalogue. PS: Bibi also reportedly said recently the worse fear he has is Iran would honor the Iran Deal.

      • Mooser on April 18, 2015, 12:53 pm

        “In attempting to diagnose Phil, he diagnoses his own projecting mentality.”

        Yes, but Hophmi is modest, and that is a virtue. Most people, if you quote them, say: ‘I said that, and I stand by it’. But Hophmi just vanishes. Doesn’t stick around to lap up praise. I like that.

  3. amigo on April 16, 2015, 11:08 am

    “At the same time, the extremist regime in Iran is oppressing its people; it is rushing forward and submerging the Middle East in blood and suffering “.nietanyahu.

    I was out in the garden until a few minutes ago and quite relaxed and then I had to go and spoil it all by reading something stupid like this interminable nonsense from nuttyahoo. The man is unquestionably insane and should be locked up for our security.

    By the way, if Iran is going to obliterate the Jewish State , why does he (nietanyahu) keep telling all Jews to move to said Israeli state.Is he not playing into Iran,s hands by in-gathering all Jews into to one place.

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 6:54 pm

      “then I had to go and spoil it all by reading something stupid”

      Perhaps a walk might have helped. Boots, start walkin’!

      • amigo on April 16, 2015, 7:18 pm

        “Perhaps a walk might have helped. Boots, start walkin’!” Mooser.

        Excuse me , I took walk from the garden to the house.Just about managed that.

      • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:54 pm

        “Excuse me , I took walk from the garden to the house.Just about managed that.”

        Good. Take care of yourself, as you best can.

      • Walid on April 16, 2015, 8:22 pm

        “Good. Take care of yourself, as you best can.” (Mooser)

        At least he doesn’t have to worry about the septic tank.

      • Mooser on April 17, 2015, 11:55 am

        “At least he doesn’t have to worry about the septic tank.”

        Walid, I was worried, but I’m not worried any more! It is a Wi-fi ‘hot-spot! What, me worry? Dig a little, post a little, dig a little, post a little. I’m gonna have a great day!

  4. wondering jew on April 16, 2015, 11:23 am

    I disagree with Netanyahu’s logic in comparing Iran with Nazi Germany. This web site would have more credibility condemning Netanyahu if you would admit that there is something for Israel to fear. Netanyahu takes a reasonable fear and pumps it into unreality. This web site treats a reasonable fear as if it were paranoia.

    • on April 16, 2015, 12:15 pm

      Israel is creating great danger for itself and for millions of Jews and non-Jews via its actions, attitudes, and words.

      It’s delusional paranoia creates a people who behave horribly to all others.

      When will you Zionist dupes open your eyes? It is getting very late in the game. If Israel plunges us into war in Iran and/or the Ukraine get ready for a massive disaster followed by a complete re-ordering of US society

      • wondering jew on April 16, 2015, 12:21 pm

        Giles- Your inclusion of Ukraine as a goal of war by the Zionists is the tip off. you’re unbalanced.

      • catalan on April 16, 2015, 12:31 pm

        in Iran and/or the Ukraine get ready for a massive disaster followed by a complete re-ordering of US society – Giles
        What does that reordering entail exactly? Does it mean successful people like myself being fired? Are you going to be confiscating properties? I am not scared at all of these things happening. Much greater is the chance of me being hit by a truck.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 16, 2015, 3:00 pm

        ‘Catalan’ thinks it’s all about him!

      • catalan on April 16, 2015, 4:24 pm

        “‘Catalan’ thinks it’s all about him!” Maximus
        Teach us how to be an Altruist, a veritable saint, a selfless Giver always looking out for everyone else.

      • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 6:58 pm

        “Israel is creating great danger for itself and for millions of Jews and non-Jews via its actions, attitudes, and words.”

        Giles, you don’t give Yonah enough credit! Yonah know good and well about the danger Israel creates for millions of Jews. I mean, why do you think he lives in the US? He knows which side his challah is buttered on. Actually, a good fresh challah doesn’t even need butter.

      • Teapot on April 16, 2015, 8:38 pm

        @catalan

        Teach us how to be an Altruist, a veritable saint, a selfless Giver always looking out for everyone else.

        No one is asking you to be an altruist, but you might want to take it down a notch with the narcissism. (But then again, narcissism seems an integral part of zionist ideology, so you probably can’t help it.)

        Or maybe this is an attempt to derail the conversation. There seem to have been quite a few discussions on Mondoweiss lately about your many degrees and other accomplishments, your sense of victim hood and your great dedication to the use of correct grammar. If this is the case, then congratulations. You are quite successful at provoking reactions from people.

      • Keith on April 17, 2015, 12:28 am

        YONAH FREDMAN- “Giles- Your inclusion of Ukraine as a goal of war by the Zionists is the tip off. you’re unbalanced.”

        Apparently you are unaware of the role played by neocon Victoria Nuland and Sayanim Bernard-Henri Levy in supporting the Ukrainian neo-Nazis? Or of the Eastern Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky who holds Israeli citizenship and funds a neo-Nazi militia? You may be surprised to learn that Israel has been heavily involved in Eastern European affairs including the “color revolutions” and training the Georgian army. Not necessarily instigating things, but supporting the empire and profitable militarism.

      • amigo on April 17, 2015, 5:54 am

        Catan,s arguments remind me of frozen tomatoes.They collapse when you defrost them.Much better to can them.

      • just on April 17, 2015, 10:19 am

        +1, amigo!

      • wondering jew on April 17, 2015, 3:48 pm

        Keith- It is certainly possible that many of those who favor a militaristic policy regarding Russian intentions in the Ukraine also favor Israel’s existence. But to promise a complete reordering of US society with its implied threat, based upon the fact that there are Zionist neoconservatives who view a battle in Eastern Europe through lenses that are too hawkish for your taste, is in a totally different realm than the furor about Israel lobby and the Iranian nuke program. If you wish to blame Zionism for the US policy towards Russia vis a vis the Ukraine, you are out to lunch. If you are merely reminding me that a militaristic attitude of Zionists is not limited to the Middle East, then fine, point taken.

    • eljay on April 16, 2015, 12:18 pm

      || y.f.: This web site would have more credibility condemning Netanyahu if you would admit that there is something for Israel to fear. ||

      Zio-supremacists would have more credibility condemning Iran’s leaders if they would admit that there is something for Iran to fear from Israel and the United States, both of which have nuclear weapons, hegemonic ambitions and track records of belligerence.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 11:31 am

        @ej

        i admit that Iran has something to fear from Israel which is why it should not threaten Israel with belligerent words and/or providing missiles for proxy militias to use to point at Israel.

        And-as can already be seen-the new version of the ‘old’ arms race is just getting started with Israel receiving the first f-35s which will likely be tested by the IAF for US military training and which are essential to counter the s-300 family of sams Russia may eventually supply to Iran(they don’t even have enough for their own needs yet). Saudis will likely follow. And after those counter measures are taken-new offensive weapons will be acquired. Iran is certainly no less ‘paranoid’ then Israel.

        What does strike me as hypocritical is the attitude towards Irans expansion into Yemen,Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Gaza by the left-wing is as supportive as the right-wingers were in supporting US troops in VietNam, Korea, and other places where American interests were at stake. For the Americans here it can appear as if the left-wingers really do support the strengthening of Americas enemies and are cheered on when the ‘evil’, ‘bad’ and ‘untrustworthy’ US is weakened internationally. However little sense that makes -its a completely different discussion.

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:43 pm

        i admit that Iran has something to fear from Israel which is why it should not threaten Israel with belligerent words and/or providing missiles for proxy militias to use to point at Israel.

        Israel threatens everyone around it with it’s missiles directed at every state that surrounds it. Israel threats against Iran would continue regardless of it’s support for so called proxies, because Israel’s fear is that Iran will threaten Israel’s regional dominance.

        And-as can already be seen-the new version of the ‘old’ arms race is just getting started with Israel receiving the first f-35s which will likely be tested by the IAF for US military training and which are essential to counter the s-300 family of sams Russia may eventually supply to Iran(they don’t even have enough for their own needs yet).

        What a load of a -historic crap!!

        1. The plan to supply Israel with F35s predated any deal to supply Iran with S300s
        2. The S300s are anti aircraft missiles and strictly defensive weapons, whereas F35s are weapons of aggression. SO your argument is beyond ludicrous as it implies that Israel are being supplied with F35s because the Iranians are planing to maker it harder for Israel to attack them.

        That makes as much sense as suggesting that Hamas need more advanced missiles to thwart Iron Dome.

        What does strike me as hypocritical is the attitude towards Irans expansion into Yemen,Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Gaza

        What does strike me as hypocritical is that the only expansionist regimes in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. There has bee no Iran expansion anywhere. Iran’s borders have not changed, they have not attacked nor invaded anyone. There is no Iranian presence in Yemen or Lybia. Iran are in Syria and Iraq at the behest of the governments in those states to help them fight ISIS, which you clearly have a problem with.

        Once again, Israel supporters openly support ISIS.

        So it seems that it is the right-wingers who support the strengthening of Americas enemies – ISIS and Al Qaeda.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 9:46 pm

        @sh

        a conveniently loose and disingenuous definition of expansionist policies. The US did not expend its territory to fight in SE Asia yet I suppose that wasn’t expansionist/aggression either

        Never said the f35s were a response to s300-simply stated that the arms war in the ME is just beginning to heat up. Iran has invested over a billion in naval vessels that can attack after reaching the mediterranean. no use crying about ‘poor’ Iran being strictly defensive as thats a bigger load of horseS then anything.

        It is only in your warped mind that Israeli supporters openly support IS. If Israel turned away critically wounded on its northern frontier it would be accused of barbarism. That IS has not turned its attention to confronting Israel is a strictly temporary situation based on IS current focus. Just as Hezbollah will not get involved in a serious conflagration with Israel-neither would IS as both are focused on each other. Nobody in Israel has any illusions about what the IS is and is not. Its just anti-Zionist propaganda. helping severely wounded alNusra militants and their family members is not the same as openly supporting IS. The middle easy is where the reverse cliche about ‘my enemies enemy is NOT necessarily my friend’.’ was born

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 11:43 pm

        a conveniently loose and disingenuous definition of expansionist policies.

        It’s actually you who is trying to apply the loose definition by broadening it to include more than expansion. The U.S. was bombing local populations in SE Asia against the wishes of the governments of those states, as well as overthrowing them. Iran has done none of that. ISIS and AL Nusra/Al Qaeda are Saudi and Israeli backed foreign fighters.

        Never said the f35s were a response to s300-simply stated that

        It must have been another crack pot who stated that “Israel receiving the first f-35s which will likely be tested by the IAF for US military training and which are essential to counter the s-300 family of sams Russia may eventually supply to Iran”

        It is also false to claim that the arms war in the ME is just beginning to heat up. Israel and Saudi Arabia have been the only horses in the race until now, which for Zios and neocons like yourself was simply the status quo. So when Iran decides to modestly beef up it’s military, you racist supremacists hysterically cry “escalation”. In your sick and twisted minds, anyone not in Israel’s corner is supposed to remain militarily weak and impoverished less their attempt to defend themselves be designated an act of aggression.

        Iran has invested over a billion in naval vessels that can attack after reaching the mediterranean.

        Seeing as they don’t have 6 free dolphin class subs being handed to them by the Germany for free, they don’t have much choice but to pay for them. But again, by definition it’s never expansionism or aggression when Israel does it right?

        It is only in your warped mind that Israeli supporters openly support IS.

        Could you be any more obvious? Do you really think no one would notice you’re deliberate reference to “openly” supporting ISIS as opposed to covert support? I made no mention of openly supporting ISIS, and your blatant attempt to reference overt support reads as an admission that Israel does indeed support ISIS even if only covertly.

        If Israel turned away critically wounded on its northern frontier it would be accused of barbarism.

        ROFLA. I had to go back and read that mind numbing diatribe a second time having spat my coffee over my computer after reading it the first time. So let me get this straight. Israel just massacred 2,000 people on Gaza, 70% of whom were civilians, yet you expect anyone to believe that having slaughters hundreds of women and children they would give a crap about the PR problem of allowing Al Qaeda/suicide bombing psychos to rot?

        Not even the most left wing would consider it barbaric up allow AQ nuts jobs die.

        Thank you for demonstrating do vividly the magnitude of cognitive dissonance that infects Zios.

        That IS has not turned its attention to confronting Israel is a strictly temporary situation based on IS current focus.

        Neither has the Syrian government, yet for some reason, Israel has bombed Syrian military targets repeatedly, especially when ISIS was in the back foot.

        Nobody in Israel has any illusions about what the IS is and is not. Its just anti-Zionist propaganda.

        That only makes Israel’s support of ISIS all the more macabre and sinister.

        helping severely wounded alNusra militants and their family members is not the same as openly supporting IS.

        ROFLA. It’s as blatant and out in the open as it gets.

      • Walid on April 17, 2015, 10:14 pm

        “What does strike me as hypocritical is that the only expansionist regimes in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. (Shingo)

        You haven’t yet heard Nasrallah’s speech of last night that was all about the Saudi involvement in Yemen that he compared to Israel’s assaults on Gaza’s civilians. It was very disturbing, especially in light of 200,000 Lebanese currently working in Saudia and sending money home every month, (over $500 million annually). Nasrallah said that enough was enough and it was time for the world to wake up and do something about the creators and funders of al-Qaeda, Nusra and ISIS.

      • eljay on April 18, 2015, 7:38 am

        || DaBakr: … For the Americans here it can appear as if the left-wingers really do support the strengthening of Americas enemies and are cheered on when the ‘evil’, ‘bad’ and ‘untrustworthy’ US is weakened internationally. ||

        Just as no state – not even Israel – is entitled to exist as a supremacist state, no state – not even the U.S. – is entitled to hegemony.

        The hypocrisy of “the Americans here” sounds an awful lot like the hypocrisy of “the Zio-supremacists here”.

      • DaBakr on April 18, 2015, 12:38 pm

        @ej

        so it appears that the only thing we share in common is the belief in hypocrisy. It seems like everybody from the US, Israel, Iran KSA and even IS are guilty of having hypocritical policies.

        ….unless of course you believe that only Israel is the guilty party.

        @sh

        1) “its actually you….” I say, you say……..got it.

        2) your definition of “covert” support for IS means Israel continues to focus on Hezbollah and its Iranian puppet-masters. That these forces are fighting IS is not Israels battle to fight. Our fight is to protect the northern frontier.

      • eljay on April 18, 2015, 4:57 pm

        || DaBakr: @ej

        so it appears that the only thing we share in common is the belief in hypocrisy. ||

        Yup. And once you stop defending supremacist “Jewish State” and its past and on-going (war) crimes, we can also share the belief that all hypocrisy is wrong and must be condemned. :-)

      • pjdude on April 20, 2015, 8:44 pm

        @debakr

        what ships to strike in the mediterranean. once you remove the litoral subs from irans inventory they only have 1 more sub than Israel and while they do have more frigates which in theory could be used to project a blue water presence to use them in the med would be suicide. NATO could easily intercept with 1-3 carriers plus destroyers from the countries in the area. yeah the 9 frigates Iran could send would do squat. Iran has a brown water navy just like Israel differences they aren’t trying to add to there blue water abilities like Israel is.

    • oldgeezer on April 16, 2015, 12:50 pm

      The issue is whether, or not, it is a reasonable fear. In your mind it is but in my mind it is not.

      Iran has always behaved like a rational actor on the world stage. Doesn’t it support some terror groups? Yes. Does Israel, US, Uk, yes. Can those terror groups cause some loss of life? Yes. Do they threaten the state itself? No. Arguably Hamas and Hezbollah are not terror groups and not recognized as such in large parts of the world.

      With conventional weapons Iran is outclassed by the Israeli forces. With nuclear weapons the same would apply. In the current state of affairs (ie Iran without a nuclear weapon) there simply isn’t any comparison.

      Of the two countries both have to my mind made threats against the other. The largest volume of threats is from Israel against Iran. Indeed Iran has been suffering under what Israel would call economic warfare for quite a few years.

      Israel simply does not have clean hands. Netanyahu’s claims are outlandish.

      Perhaps it’s fears would be taken more seriously when they are reasonable and it is not behaving as the aggressor to it’s neighbours.

      I loved your vampire post btw. Gave me a chuckle.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 16, 2015, 2:00 pm

      ”t there is something for Israel to fear. ”

      Of course there is. An Iran reintegrated into the world economy and power structure is a serious threat to expansionist Zionism.

      • peeesss on April 17, 2015, 2:14 am

        MDM:. “An Iran reintegrated into the world economy and power structure is a serious threat to expansionist Zionism”. That one sentence says it all.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 11:45 am

        @mdm

        Israel was never threatened by an integrated Iran in either the world economy or power structure before 1979. It even had a nuclear power plan under construction and there was little animosity between the 2 nations. If by “reintegrated” you are referring to the new expansionist and theocratic Iran with military troops and/or equipment in the Bab alYandeb, Yemen, Syria,Gaza,Iraq, Lybia and probably a few other places then yes-there is a very good reason to be wary of a militarily aggressive state about to be loosed from financial sanctions. As for competition in the financial/economic realm? Nothing there. I would only add that the upside to the sanctions lifting is ordinary Iranians will have some-not much-relief from their Mullah overlords but as per any iron-gripped authoritarian regime-the people always suffer for the sins of their ‘leaders’.

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:33 pm

        Israel was never threatened by an integrated Iran in either the world economy or power structure before 1979.

        That’s because they had IRan under their thumb.

        If by “reintegrated” you are referring to the new expansionist and theocratic Iran with military troops and/or equipment in the Bab alYandeb, Yemen, Syria,Gaza,Iraq, Lybia and probably a few other places then yes-there is a very good reason to be wary of a militarily aggressive state about to be loosed from financial sanctions.

        Stop the crap and the BS. There has been no expansion by Iran. There are no Iranians in Lybia or Yemen. Even US intelligence shows that Iran support fo the Houthis is grossly exaggerated.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 11:07 am

        Dabakr,

        What a disingenuous post. The Shah’s Iran was a US client, much like the Gulf states Israel is so chummy with. Why would they have a problem with a regime which reinforced the pro-US, pro-Israel status quo in the region? It’s the idea of an independent Iran which bothers them.

        Oh, and spare us the concern trolling over the Iranian people. Like you give a toss. As you say, Israel was quite in love with the Shah’s brutal regime, to the point of helping to train the notorious Savak secret police. Please dont’ try to pretend you care about the people of Iran. Nobody believes you.

    • justicewillprevail on April 16, 2015, 2:58 pm

      Yonah, your braggadocio in lecturing Phil about the credibility of this site is priceless. What makes you think you have any authority on credibility – based on your posts which are rehashed reprints from hasbara central – yes, very credible. Such pompous buffoonery. Irony is lost on you lot.

      • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:17 pm

        “What makes you think you have any authority on credibility”

        I think Yonah’s credibility is Divine! Straight from the Source.

      • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 8:07 pm

        “Yonah, your braggadocio in lecturing Phil about the credibility of this site is priceless.”

        “justicewillprevail”, I may have to disagree with you about that valuation of Yonah’s braggadocio. After all, I’ve always heard that the price of things is increased by their rarity.

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 6:51 pm

      “This web site would have more credibility…”

      Oh yes, Yonah, a lack-of-credibility problem has been plaguing Mondo since it opened. Wanna provide any examples of articles which have reduced Mondo’s “credibility”?.
      Unlike you, Yonah, Unlike you I hasten to add.

      Unless, of course, Yonah, you are saying that Zionists can’t handle the truth, and you are suggesting ways to fool them?

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 8:02 pm

      “This web site would have more credibility condemning Netanyahu if you would admit that there is something for Israel to fear.”

      I just don’t get it, Yonah. Do you run a ‘protection racket’ or something? Why do you want the people in Israel to be afraid? A tremendous proportion of Israel’s educated, affluent, and world-connected Jews, Israel’s best people, can easily leave if they become too afraid (“Oh my husband wanted to stay, but I said I was scared for the kids, so we had to leave”. You know how it goes, Yo)
      Yonah, if the affluent, educated, Ashkenazi Jews leave Israel, who would be left? What kind of Israel would that be? Do you really want tttttheir fears encouratged?

    • echinococcus on April 16, 2015, 9:57 pm

      Some logic. Those who invade other people’s land to chase them out, take all their belongings, enslave them as a racially dominated Helot class, and are still waging their war of aggression started 68 years ago, not counting many other wars of aggression, of course “have something to fear.” Duh!
      Only not from Iran from the time being, provided they comply with both the letter and the spirit of international law and the NPT.

  5. pabelmont on April 16, 2015, 11:52 am

    Clearly, Israel regards Israelis (not Jews, but for rhetorical convenience called Jews) as a master race. And it has already obliterated 6 million Jews, some of them merely people called Jews (from USSR/Russia), but not killed them, rather turning them into Israelis, a “race” or “nation” which has replaced human decency and morality and respect for human rights for all people with a rather contradictory doctrine and learned/taught master-race doctrine. Just as centuries of the practice of slavery and master-racism readied the white people of the American South for Jim Crow and the very harsh (Israeli-like) master-race practice of lynching, so 100 years of living/planning/hoping/fighting-for Israel — and many more years living under the system of antisemitism/pogroms/Nazis/etc. in Europe — has transformed the often rather nice people/society who moved to Palestine from Europe into the “we-give-ourselves-permission-to-be-monsters that we see today and which, with any luck, Americans beyond the small cadre of pro-Palestine folks will soon come to see.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 16, 2015, 1:58 pm

      ”s Israelis (not Jews, but for rhetorical convenience called Jews)”

      But only when they’re ‘victims’. You’d never hear a Zionist saying ”Jewish soldiers shot dead a Palestinian boy today”. In fact, if anyone else did, they’d be whining about ‘antisemitism’. But they’re happy to refer to Israelis as ‘Jews’ – even though between a fifth and a quarter of Israelis are not Jews – when it suits the eternal victim agenda.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 12:07 pm

        @pb
        so now its back to the “ashkenazi” are “not” real Jews and Zionists are not ‘Jews’ and Khazars are real Jews and and Israel is only for ‘real’ Jews of which there are very few and they can live there but not the unreal ashkenazi Jews and so on and so forth….it goes on and on.

        I guess I should take this moment to state that Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people and its legitimacy is not up for debate by Israelis and will not be subject to negotiations with enemies. Threats of the UN and ICC will not change this status. The only thing that could change this is force and that is something Israel has learned how to deal with. The Palestinians will have to negotiate directly with Israel and can not do an end-run to achieve what they want. it simply will not work .

        And- the definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim and other asst. Jewish minorities is not up for negotiating either. Debate over the ‘realness’ of Ashkenazi Jews is a game others play for their own insecure and unknown reasons. So unless somebody is going to force Israel to cease to exist-its going to exist in most respects the way it has been since 1948. Will there be an accommodation for Palestinians in the WB and GZ and how much of one will be the issue decided in direct negotiations that will put an end to the conflict-or the conflict will not end. Wether or not a low level war continues unabated is more up to the ones launching attacks then those defending from them.

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:29 pm

        I guess I should take this moment to state that Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people

        Correction, it calls itself the nation-state of the Jewish people. Many Jews reject that, including you I take it seeing as you and many of your fellow travelers refuse to live there.

        Threats of the UN and ICC will not change this status.

        They never intended to. If Israel is to be a legitimate state and wants to be regarded as such, it is obliged to adhere to international law and the dozens of UN Resolutions calling for the end of it’s occupation and illegal settlements.

        The Palestinians will have to negotiate directly with Israel and can not do an end-run to achieve what they want. it simply will not work .

        No they don’t have to and history has shown that there is no point negotiating directly with Israel. Netanyahu has even publicly admitted that negotiating directly with Israel is futile and pointless.

        And- the definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim and other asst. Jewish minorities is not up for negotiating either.

        True. There is no point negotiating facts. The definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim comes down to historical evidence, not fairy tales.

      • Boo on April 17, 2015, 7:52 pm

        “So unless somebody is going to force Israel to cease to exist-its going to exist in most respects the way it has been since 1948.”

        1948? Such a berakah that’d be for the Palestinians! Roll back all the land grabs and settlements since 1967 and we’ve got a deal, pal.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 10:00 pm

        @sh

        a)by “many” Jews you mean 5% -6% Jews who are anti-Zionist. Please tell me you aren’t using your experience here on MW to judge the level of anti-Zionist Jews in the world.

        b)You can keep saying “If Israel wants…” till your blue in the face and it won’t change the fact that Israel will never negotiate its right to exist. It exists and its the Jewish State until somebody is powerful enough to destroy it.

        c) you want to believe there is merit in the debunked DNA connection to Khazzers then go ahead and join with a group known for its close association with Aryan Nations, Neo-Nazis and other charming scum. That some Jews migrated from Jerusalem through Babylon Persia and up to the caucus region is not in dispute. That some Khazzers embrace Judaism is also not in dispute. Even the muslim scholars of the 9th century knew these Jews originated in the land of Israel. Saying Ashkenazi are not Jewish is a fools game. I won’t engage in such idiocy any further. If it floats your boat-go right ahead

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 10:10 pm

        b)You can keep saying “If Israel wants…” till your blue in the face and it won’t change the fact that Israel will never negotiate its right to exist.

        I don;t know why you hacks continue to equate holding on to stolen land with Israel’s right to exist. Israel’s right to exist remains entirely within the 1967 borders.

        c) you want to believe there is merit in the debunked DNA connection to Khazzers then go ahead

        It has not been debunked at all. The fact is its the Zionists who tried to make the claim to the land about DNA when in fact it is completely irrelevant.

      • Mooser on April 20, 2015, 11:24 pm

        “And- the definition of Ashkenazi, Sephardim and other asst. Jewish minorities is not up for negotiating either.”

        Gee, from what I’ve been reading about Israeli politics, those things seem to be the subject of an awful lot of negotiating.

    • oldgeezer on April 18, 2015, 12:14 am

      @dabakr
      ” you want to believe there is merit in the debunked DNA connection to Khazzers then go ahead and join with a group known for its close association with Aryan Nations, Neo-Nazis and other charming scum. ”

      Interesting way to throw out the antisemite challenge without actually stating it. I have no interest in, or position on, the dna debate. It is irrelebant.

      But let’s be clear about this in that there is not a sliver of sunlight between the positions of aryan nations, neo nazis, other charming scum and zionists. You are all identical save for your preferred tribe. Make no mistake about it. That’s where you choose to be.

      • echinococcus on April 18, 2015, 4:10 am

        Shingo,

        You say: “I don’t know why you hacks continue to equate holding on to stolen land with Israel’s right to exist. Israel’s right to exist remains entirely within the 1967 borders.”
        This is Zionist propaganda, conscious or unconscious, nothing else.

        First off, these so-called 1967 borders are not the partition proposal line. They were reached by war of aggression, military conquest, robbery, forced displacement of populations and genocidal action (euphemized today as “ethnic cleansing”.)

        Then, there are no 1948 borders, really: the partition proposal is just a proposal that was rejected by the owners of the land. The owners of the land, as opposed to the totally fictional “equal neighbors” who were nothing but illegally immigrating armed invaders who refused to behave as immigrants. If the refusal by the owners of the land were not enough, the violation of the indissociable conditions set by the partition proposal also canceled it. Not only that, but there is no obligation at all to ever accept for a partition proposal, as the British Empire was in charge of an administrative mandate, some kind of an escrow. The land of Palestine wasn’t under Lord Balfour’s personal sovereignty and it wasn’t the Empire’s or the UN’s to partition.

        Whenever anti-Zionists mindlessly repeat the nonsense of a “legitimate” Israel within any borders, they reinforce the colossal sales job done by Zionist propaganda on the collective mind of humanity.

      • dgfincham on April 18, 2015, 5:36 am

        @Echinococcus: You are absolutely right: there was no legitimacy at all in the creation of Israel.

        However, Israel was recognized as a independent sovereign state by the USA and the Soviet Union almost immediately, and later by many other states. Under the current geopolitical system, where there is no world government, there is no system of law higher than that of the sovereign state which could say that Israel does not exist, or must cease to exist. It therefore has a legal right to continue to exist.

        In this context, the partition line does become important, because Israel was forced to specify the partition line as its border in order to gain recognition. This means that Israel formally disclaimed sovereignty outside that border. There is therefore no doubt that the territory outside that border, captured in the 1948-49 war, was obtained in violation of international law. I have argued in a Mondoweiss article that Palestine should receive territorial compensation for that theft, and certainly not be confined to the West Bank and Gaza. http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/documents-borders-palestine

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 5:38 am

        Whenever anti-Zionists mindlessly repeat the nonsense of a “legitimate” Israel within any borders, they reinforce the colossal sales job done by Zionist propaganda on the collective mind of humanity.

        You’re preaching to the converted echinococcus. I don’t disagree with a word you said, and the injustice inflicted on the existing population by Europe and the Allied powers is immeasurable, but the notion that any of those sins can be undone today, 66 after the fact is a delusion. It’s not about about the sales job, it’s about the reality of today. The fact remains that Israel is a reality today and is indeed a legitimate state.

        Personally, I think Britain should be made to pay huge reparations to the Palestinians for what they unleashed. Yes, the Zionists were the ones with the agenda, but the British turned those sinister motives into a reality.

        We also have to recognize that there are Israelis who are 3rd and 4th generation and who’s rights to live in Israel need to be protected. Personally I don’t even have any time to entertain the 2ss solution either. As Ben Gurion himself recognized, Palestine is one homogeneous political and geographical entity that cannot be divided. The 1ss is the only practical and just solution, Jewish state be damned.

      • dgfincham on April 18, 2015, 6:23 am

        Israel is a recognized state: so is Palestine. I agree with you that there will eventually be a one-state solution. But that can only come about by means of a voluntary merger of the two. And neither Jews nor Arabs will agree to lose their identities in such a merger: there will still be a Jewish Israel and an Arab Palestine, but existing as two largely autonomous nations, with an open border between them. There is a close historical parallel in the Union between England and Scotland three hundred years ago, two nations of different character, with different legal systems and different established churches, but acting internationally as a single state.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 8:07 am

        ”. Under the current geopolitical system, where there is no world government, there is no system of law higher than that of the sovereign state which could say that Israel does not exist, or must cease to exist. It therefore has a legal right to continue to exist.”

        But yet nation states come and go all the time. In my lifetime — and I’m guessing yours too – nations such as the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and East Germany – to name but a few – have ceased to exist. On the other hand, nations including Kosovo, Croatia, Slovenia, East Timor and the George Clooney Republic of South Sudan – again to name but a few – have come into existence.

        If Israel has a ‘right to continue to exist’, why did the same ‘right’ not apply to Yugoslavia or the USSR?

      • dgfincham on April 18, 2015, 10:32 am

        Yes, Yugoslavia and USSR had a right to continue to exist, if they wanted to. But they decided to break up. The United Kingdom has a right to continue to exist, but if Scotland becomes independent, and is recognized as a sovereign state by other states, then Scotland has a right to continue to exist.

      • echinococcus on April 18, 2015, 9:24 am

        [why can’t we have a reply button under each post, like all other sites? too expensive?]

        Shingo,
        Let’s stop deluding ourselves. This “reality” argument is total nonsense. First, a peaceful transition like, say, South Africa or the USSR has less chance than a snowball in hell. Not gonna happen. Same for the chances of the Resistance to force any change by itself. What will probably reshape it all is a regional conflagration provoked by Israel and the US. Borders change and –as I see argued by MDM, national states do die and change. As for Israel being a “legitimate” state, the question remains: Palestine was not the UN’s to give away. This legitimacy you guys are talking about is no different than a resutured virginity.
        If enough of us had made it into a habit to repeat relentlessly, at every evocation of Israel, that it is illegitimate, the UN had no right to split it and the Palestinians no obligation to accept the invaders, I suppose that “UN legitimacy” nonsense would not be the Zionist ownership within non-Zionist brains that it has become today.
        As for the citizenship of the local born, there too one should leave it to the Palestinians: there is more than one doctrine of citizenship and they are not all automatically based on the country of birth. Jus solis and jus sanguis are both equally valid candidates, no matter our own preferences, and considering what the Zionist have done to the owners of the land with regard to citizenship, too. Also given the fact that an overwhelming majority of the Herrenrasse citizens have or can claim other citizenships, not to forget the extreme facilitation by the US and our obligations. But anyway. let’s again forget the absurd delusions of a peaceful transition. An Algerian solution would be surprisingly mild, all things considered. That is the price of all extreme nationalist and racist indoctrination: once the smart ones flee, the remainder are suicidal.

      • otc on April 18, 2015, 9:34 am

        @David Fincham,

        According to Norman Finkelstein, in his interview with Frank Barat, at about minute 20:55,
        states that the ICJ, in its 2004 ruling on the wall ruled that the June 67 border is Israel’s legal border. I haven’t studied it as thoroughly as he has, and he can make a mistake, but it seems
        a fair account of the courts decision.

      • dgfincham on April 18, 2015, 11:59 am

        1. The Advisory Opinion makes no ruling on where the border between Israel and Palestine is. They did not need to do that to answer the question they were asked. All they needed to know was that the West Bank was not part of Israel, and was under Israeli military occupation.

        2. The Opinion quoted the full GA Resolution asking for the Opinion. This included the following paragraph, which may have mislead Finkelstein:

        “Affirming the necessity of ending the conflict on the basis of the two-State solution of israel and Palestine living side by side in peace and security based on the Armistice Line of 1949, in accordance with relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions”.

        Such resolutions do not say that the Armistice Line IS the border between the two states, nor does the UN have authority to tell two states where their mutual border is; there is no ‘legal’ border between Israel and Palestine until there is a peace treaty defining it.

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:08 pm

        Such resolutions do not say that the Armistice Line IS the border between the two states, nor does the UN have authority to tell two states where their mutual border is; there is no ‘legal’ border between Israel and Palestine until there is a peace treaty defining it.

        False. Israel declared it’s borders in it’s declaration of independence and it’s application to join the UN. Those borders are final. Those borders are the legal borders. You’re just regurgitating the Zionist trope that the border is undefined so that they can keep stealing more land and then claiming that the status of that territory is to be determined by negotiation.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 11:01 am

        But David, Yugoslavia didn’t ‘decide to break up’, like a couple divorcing. Aren’t you forgetting the series of bloody wars, particularly regarding the seccession of Bosnia? The Belgrade government opposed this until almost the end.

        Then there’s ”Kosovo”, carved out of 15% of Serbia, very much against the will of the Serbian government and people, who consider it an illegal theft of their sovereign territory. Yet there it is, recognised as a nation state by most Western countries, though not by the UN. Does ”Kosovo” have a right to exist? Did Serbia have a right to exist within its legal borders prior to the creation of ”Kosovo”? Most of what’s euphemistically termed the ‘international community’ would agree on the first question, but disagree on the latter – for their own geopolitical purposes. What about Sudan? Did Khartoum have any say in having much of their country shaved off to make an ‘independent’ nation?

        What I’m saying is that nation states exist or they don’t. They don’t have a ”right” to do so.

      • Mooser on April 18, 2015, 12:11 pm

        We’ve been having this argument for some time. For me, it may come down to one thing: Israel may have gotten away with attaining a right to exist. But Israel is not, not, not owed the right of absolution.

        And no solution will ever come about until Zionism takes responsibility for its deeds. Which they aren’t capable of doing.

      • DaBakr on April 19, 2015, 1:41 am

        @og

        maybe your too old to think ‘clearly’ as there is nothing “clear” about lumping Zionism together with groups who are secessionist at best and are hyper focused on skin colour at worst. That these groups are pretty much mortal enemies of Jews and Zionists puts them at polar opposites. So what I gather your struggling to say is something akin to love=hate. anger is the other side of fear and other such droll nonsense. And yes-I do understand how you think you have used logic and knowledge to link Zionism with the so-called 3rdReich but a nationalist ethnic movement is not the same as a racialist movement even if you choose to separate religion from ethnicity in this case.

        White europeans already have sovereignty in many lands and Neo-N’s want to separate themselves even further. Zionist are not fighting for separation of races or religions. But please-go ahead and keep making your case as it just makes my job that much easier.

      • Shingo on April 19, 2015, 4:09 am

        maybe your too old to think ‘clearly’ as there is nothing “clear” about lumping Zionism together with groups who are secessionist at best and are hyper focused on skin colour at worst.

        Maybe you are too deeply in denial about the fact that Zionism is racism. Even Israeli President Reuven Rivlin admits Israel is a sick society and rife with racism. Segregation lies at the root of Zionism and was there from day 1 – the policy of which was even given the name “Hafrada”.

        That these groups are pretty much mortal enemies of Jews and Zionists puts them at polar opposites.

        On the contrary, these groups are peas in a pod with Zionists. One only need attend pro nationalist and fascist rallies in Europe to see Israeli flags increasingly present.

        Israeli Flags and Swastikas Abound at Rallies of PEGIDA, Europe’s New Anti-Muslim Neo-Fascist Movement
        http://bennorton.com/israeli-flags-and-swastikas-abound-at-first-uk-rally-of-pegida-europes-new-anti-muslim-neo-fascist-movement/

        Israeli flags spotted among neo-Nazis at racist, anti-Muslim #ReclaimAustralia rally.
        https://twitter.com/benjaminnorton/status/584233373067018240

        How the Israel Lobby Protected Ukrainian Neo-Nazis
        http://www.alternet.org/world/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis
        Right wing extremists like Geert Wilders are openly embraced by Zionists and visa versa.

        a nationalist ethnic movement is not the same as a racialist movement even if you choose to separate religion from ethnicity in this case.

        Yes they are the same as they are inseparable. One goes hand in hand with the other.

  6. Karl Dubhe on April 16, 2015, 12:10 pm

    It’s a good thing that Ben’s a chickenshit. I’d hate it if the man actually tried to launch a war against Iran, nothing good would come from that.

    He’s rattling his sabers, as he can think of nothing else to do.

  7. Memphis on April 16, 2015, 2:26 pm

    If Iran was hellbent on exterminating Jews, why has it not exterminated the Jews currently living in Iran?

    • just on April 16, 2015, 3:11 pm

      +1, Memphis!

      To your point:

      “Iran’s Jewish community in Esfahan: We ‘feel at home’

      …Sion Mahgrefte is the head of the Jewish community in Esfahan. He declined to comment directly on political matters, especially in the current heated environment, but he did say that the members of his community felt very much at home in Iran.

      “Israel and Iran are countries,” he said. “And we consider ourselves Iranian Jews, not Israeli Jews. So the hostilities between Israel and Iran do not affect us.”

      There is even a Jewish representative in Iran’s parliament. And aside from the vibrant Jewish community in Esfahan — there are 13 synagogues in the city — there are also several Orthodox Cathedrals representing a sizable Christian community. …”

      http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/middleeast/iran-jews-esfahan/index.html

      • lysias on April 16, 2015, 3:54 pm

        It is the oldest Jewish community in the world, 2500 years old. (The Jewish community in Iraq was just as old, but Israeli false flag operations helped drive the Jews out of Iraq.)

    • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 12:24 pm

      @M
      A) if the Iranian [regime] ever tried to harm its 25,000 (give or take) jews en masse-it would be on the receiving end of a full force and large scale attack by the IDF. Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated and his pretorian guards would be hit hard as well. And that would be for starters. *

      * there have been a few times over the years when Iran regime sent ‘messages’ to Israel about the safety of its Jewish population. Charges of the mullahs using Iranian Jews as ‘chips’. Trumped up massive ‘spy’ trials for businessmen and family members still in iran are threatened if their ex-pats make any political noise the regime doesn’t like. And of course the joke is–any time an Iranian Jew is on the media they exclaim how terrible Zionism is because they are expected to do so. Meanwhile-half their family most likely lives in Israel

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:26 pm

        A) if the Iranian [regime] ever tried to harm its 25,000 (give or take) jews en masse-it would be on the receiving end of a full force and large scale attack by the IDF. Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated and his pretorian guards would be hit hard as well. And that would be for starters. *

        Which goes to to show how utterly absurd and incoherent your claim that Iran is planning to annihilate Israel is. If harming 25,000 Jews in Iran would being on such devastation to Iran, then surely attacking Israel and trying to kill 6 million would be immeasurably worse.

        * there have been a few times over the years when Iran regime sent ‘messages’ to Israel about the safety of its Jewish population. Charges of the mullahs using Iranian Jews as ‘chips’.

        Link to one example and please, don’t bother telling us to google it.

        Trumped up massive ‘spy’ trials for businessmen and family members still in iran are threatened if their ex-pats make any political noise the regime doesn’t like.

        You mean one spy trial and no evidence of family members Iran being threatened

        As usual, you hasbratas scrape the barrel and hope the rest of us will take your drek at face value.

        And of course the joke is–any time an Iranian Jew is on the media they exclaim how terrible Zionism is because they are expected to do so. Meanwhile-half their family most likely lives in Israel

      • oldgeezer on April 18, 2015, 12:07 am

        @dabakr

        “If Israel turned away critically wounded on its northern frontier it would be accused of barbarism. ”

        So israel finds a way to treat Al Nusra/Al Qaeda scum but only to defend it’s image while at the same time it refuses safe transit for innocent civilians out of the war zone unless they sign away their rights under international law.

        Also israel having received several rockets from al nusra/al qaeda attacks Syrian army positions with jet bombers.

        I can’t be bothered to respond to the mass of zionist propaganda and crap you’ve spewed onto this site this evening. The only question is whether you are that ignorant of the facts, unable to make a sound judgement based on facts or you hope everyone else falls into one of those categories.

        More and more people are becoming aware of the facts including israel’s support for the saudi backed al qaeda and your pathetic excuses carry less weight all the time. The sad part is the price ticket to be paid increases each passing day too. When it comes due you will be whining about being picked on.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 5:32 am

        ”Khameini knows his palaces would be obliterated”

        You really take pride in your cluelessness, don’t you? Khamenei doesn’t have any ‘palaces’. He lives very modestly, and last year went to a state-run, presumably sanctions hit, Iranian hospital for treatment for his prostate cancer.

        You must be confusing him with Israel’s Gulf buddies, who would have flown for treatment to the US or Switzerland in private jets with gold plated taps.

      • DaBakr on April 18, 2015, 12:56 pm

        @md

        if you want to be foolish enough to believe the crap propaganda coming from Iran about how “modestly” the mullahs and their families live in Iran-go right ahead. In a closed society-the regime can put out any info they want and count on dupes to spread it around as ‘truth’ .

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:32 pm

        if you want to be foolish enough to believe the crap propaganda coming from Iran about how “modestly” the mullahs and their families live in Iran-go right ahead.

        If you want to produce evidence of presidential palaces, go right ahead.

        In a closed society-the regime can put out any info they want and count on dupes to spread it around as ‘truth’ .

        If Iran was such a closed society with information sop hard to come by, how do you know about these palaces?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 1:46 pm

        Ah, so I’m the one duped by propaganda about Iran, eh? Khamenei is an unsavoury leader in many ways, but even his critics agree that he is not corrupt and lives quite modestly, as do most of the Iranian political class. And as I’ve said before, you know Sweet FA about Iran. It is not a ‘closed society’ at all. I know you haven’t been there, but I have, and people discuss politics in a way which would be unthinkable in the Gulf dictatorships Israel has such a crush on.

        Anyway, since you have an expertise on Iran unsullied by any propaganda, perhaps you can provide me with sources about those ‘palaces’ – plural – personally owned by Khamenei?

  8. lysias on April 16, 2015, 2:43 pm

    How many Iranians would Netanyahu like to see exterminated in the war he wants to occur?

    • jon s on April 16, 2015, 5:00 pm

      lysias, The Jewish community in Iraq was pretty much driven out by the Iraqi authorities, not by any false -flag operations.

      • just on April 16, 2015, 5:12 pm

        “Iraqi Jews reject ‘cynical manipulation’ of their history by Israel, Zionists, writer Almog Behar tells EI

        …The statement went on to demand an investigation of Israel’s complicity in the departure of Iraqi Jews from their homeland including in terrorist acts against Jews:

        We demand the establishment of an investigative committee to examine:

        1) If and by what means negotiations were carried out in 1950 between Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion and Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri as-Said, and if Ben-Gurion informed as-Said that he is authorized to take possession of the property and assets of Iraqi Jewry if he agreed to send them to Israel;

        2) who ordered the bombing of the Masouda Shem-Tov synagogue in Baghdad, and if the Israeli Mossad and/or its operatives were involved. If it is determined that Ben-Gurion did, in fact, carry out negotiations over the fate of Iraqi Jewish property and assets in 1950, and directed the Mossad to bomb the community’s synagogue in order to hasten our flight from Iraq, we will file a suit in an international court demanding half of the sum total of compensation for our refugee status from the Iraqi government and half from the Israeli government. …

        …Zionist role in flight of Jews from Iraq

        The role of Israel and Zionist undercover agents in helping precipitate the departure of Jews from Iraq has long been suspected.

        Naiem Giladi, an Iraqi Jew who joined the Zionist underground as a young man in Iraq and later came to regret his role in fostering the departure of some 125,000 Jews from Iraq, wrote that, “Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country.” But “the terrible truth,” Giladi said, “is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.”…”

        http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/iraqi-jews-reject-cynical-manipulation-their-history-israel-zionists-writer-almog

      • Walid on April 16, 2015, 9:03 pm

        “who ordered the bombing of the Masouda Shem-Tov synagogue in Baghdad, and if the Israeli Mossad and/or its operatives were involved. (Giladi)

        Same shit happened in Beirut in 1982 but it wasn’t the Mossad then, it was the Israeli Navy in Beirut’s harbor that lobbed a shell on the roof of the Magen Avraham Synagogue to spook Beirut’s recalcitrant Jews that were refusing to leave the city for Israel with the occupying Israeli forces. Only a very few ended up going to Israel with most going to France, Canada and the US. Israel had been a dirty word for Beirut Jews since 1948 with most of them being hostile towards Israel and its Zionist enterprise.

      • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 12:36 pm

        @w

        the navy bombed around the synagog not to “spook” recalcitrant Jews but to get to the PLO militia (including supposedly Arafat) that were hiding in the Jewish neighborhood for cover. Its true that most of those Jews chose to stay . However-the vast majority of Lebanese Jews fled Lebanon many years earlier leaving only a tiny fraction of a once large community by ’82. Now there are only a couple dozen Jews and only one synagog-the same one mentioned in your post.
        If you want an opinion of a Lebanese Jew ask one of the 10000s that had to flee between 48 and ’73

      • Shingo on April 17, 2015, 8:20 pm

        If you want an opinion of a Lebanese Jew ask one of the 10000s that had to flee between 48 and ’73

        There weren’t 10000s in Lebanon in 1947/1948.

      • Walid on April 17, 2015, 9:50 pm

        “If you want an opinion of a Lebanese Jew ask one of the 10000s that had to flee between 48 and ’73” (Dabakr)

        That’s very telling. 48 to 73 represent 25 years after the birth of Israel and the war of 1948. So you’re admitting that Jews continued living in Beirut for 25 years after Israel was created but this doesn’t go very well with the Zionist narrative on all the Jews having been expelled from Arab countries when Israel was created.

        BTW, the Jewish population there after 48 continued to increase and the sudden drop in 73 happened just before the Lebanese civil war of 1975 when Jews and Lebanese left for better economic opportunities elsewhere, For the Jews, Israel was NOT the first choice. Same thing happened in Tunisia in 1956, that’s 8 years after the birth of Israel when over half the Jews there opted to go to France, as Israel was also NOT their first choice. Iraqi and Yemeni Jews were not so lucky as they ended up being tricked into going to Israel by the Zionists and corrupt Arab regimes working in cahoots with the Zionists. The Zionist narrative on mass exodus from Arab countries is for idiots. Egypt is the only Arab country that actually expelled large number of Jews and it did it because of Israel’s wars and false flags on Egypt in different waves- 48, 55, 56, 67.

  9. lysias on April 16, 2015, 2:46 pm

    The nation of eternity has shaken itself from the dust, returned home, stood tall, established an outstanding country and an outstanding army, the Israel Defense Force, in which our brave and courageous sons and daughters serve.

    Just how the Nazi government wanted Germans to feel in 1939, if we are going to talk about the Nazis.

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:28 pm

      I don’t think I’ve ever seen people who will go and step in the same piles every time they go for a walk through the pasture.

      I’m sorry the nesting tripped me up! I wasn’t expecting the comment to end up here, Lysias! I’m sorry. I was referring to “Jon s” reflexively bringing stuff up, like the situation causing the Iraqi Jews to leave for Israel about 1950 has changed since we last talked about it.

    • jon s on April 17, 2015, 5:33 pm

      The historical fact is that the Iraqi regime took steps to make life in Iraq impossible for the Jewish community: they were dismissed from the civil service , boycotted economically, bank accounts were frozen , access to public facilities, including schools and hospitals – denied. Then the regime declared that the Jews could leave, within a one – year deadline, while relinquishing their property. In this situation the Jews scarcely needed “encouragement” (in the form of bombings ) to leave. It was pretty clear that they had to, before the door would slam shut.

      Looking up Nuri al-Said in wikipedia:
      “Nuri al-Said, the Iraqi prime minister, was determined to drive the Jews out of his country as quickly as possible,[8][9] and on August 21, 1950 he threatened to revoke the license of the company transporting the Jewish exodus if it did not fulfill its daily quota of 500 Jews. On September 18, 1950, Nuri al-Said summoned a representative of the Jewish community and claimed Israel was behind the emigration delay, threatening to “take them to the borders” and forcibly expel the Jews[10]”

      • tree on April 17, 2015, 6:42 pm

        Your “historical facts”, jon s, include some truth but there are also falsehoods in what you say. I can’t go into a long post here because I’m just about out the door, but for the moment I will say that Iraq originally did not want its Jews to leave and tried to prohibit it. It was only under intense foreign pressure that it set up an orderly legal way for Iraqi Jews to emigrate to Israel. The volunteer lists were set up and run by Zionist emissaries,not by Iraqi officials, and it wasn’t until after the 3rd and fatal bomb went off othat the number of volunteers became substantial. The deadline was for volunteering to emigrate under the plan; those who chose not to were allowed to stay in Iraq peacefully.

        Iraqi Jews were forced out of the civil service but were not prohibited from going to schools or hospitals, nor were their bank accounts frozen until late in the emigration period, and then only the accounts of those who were voluntarily giving up their citizenship. It wasn’t morally justified but it was relatively mild compared to the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and the internment of Japanese citizens in the US during the same general time period.

        When I have more time and access to my sources I will expand if asked. My sources include Abbas Shiblak’s “The Lure of Zion”, Orit Bashkin’s “The new Babylonians: A History of Jews in Modern Iraq”,
        Nissim Rejwan’s “The Last Jews in Baghdad” and others.

        In any case, Israel didn’t treat its new emigrants from Iraq very well either. Rejwan reports that, despite the difficulties in corresponding between the new Iraqi emigres in Israel and their friends and families in Iraq (Israel censored letters and Iraq outlawed any communication) new emigres tried to warn other Iraqi Jews not to go to Israel. He mentions one letter writer urging the family to wait until after their daughters wedding to make “aliyah”, with the unwritten acknowledgement that their daughter was only 2 years old.

        Israel bears a least as much responsibility of the plight of the Iraqi Jews as anyone else, including Iraq. They simply wanted more Jews in Israel to change the demographics and they didn’t mind f*cking over Jews to do it. Its been mentioned by several Israeli writers that Iraqi Jews in Israel celebrated when two Zionist Jews were executed in Iraq for the Synagogue bombing.

      • gamal on April 18, 2015, 10:33 am

        ah yes Nuri es-Said, that agent of the British, rendering him as al said implies that your expertise in this matter may be limited,

        http://azvsas.blogspot.ie/2012/09/the-zionist-destruction-of-iraqi-jewish.html

        and further, its deja vu all over again

        useful background, some can be read for free, i guess you will be able to find the relevant pages

        http://books.google.ie/books?id=_bV5ncXNke4C&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

        and for those that like simplicity an interesting list and yet more background

        http://www.us-uk-interventions.org/Kuwait.html

        and an interesting note from the wiki article that cant get his name right, but getting closer,

        “Nuri and his wife had one son, Sabah As-Said. Sabah married an Egyptian heiress, and in 1939 he married Nadia Maslia, the daughter of wealthy Jewish Baghdadi bankers.[13] Apart from Nadia and their son Ahlam who had moved to Israel, all of Nuri’s family and descendants were killed in the 1958 coup.”

        weird eh.

  10. Shingo on April 16, 2015, 5:12 pm

    The irony of course is that it is Bibbi who believes in the master race.

    • jon s on April 18, 2015, 4:31 pm

      Tree, Gamal,

      It’s important to mention the effect of the pogrom known as the “Farhud” in 1941 in destabilizing and traumatizing the Iraqi Jewish community.

      The crucial point , in my opinion, is that after “tightening the screws” on the Jewish community in a series of legal and administrative measures, the Iraqi authorities then declared that the Jews could leave as long as they did so within a one-year deadline, after which emigration would be prohibited. We’re opening the door, but at the end of the year, it will slam shut. Under those circumstances, it’s not surprising that the Jews rushed to the exit, and hardly needed a bombing to “encourage ” them . The Israeli government itself would have preferred a gradual immigration, and not a panic that meant that Israel had to absorb almost the entire Iraqi Jewish community practically at once. In other words a bombing by Israeli agents doesn’t make much sense from the Israeli perspective.

      • Walid on April 18, 2015, 5:14 pm

        “It’s important to mention the effect of the pogrom known as the “Farhud” in 1941 in destabilizing and traumatizing the Iraqi Jewish community. (jon s)

        Farhud: happened in 1941

        Mass exodus: happened in 1951

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:11 pm

        Farhud: happened in 1941

        Mass exodus: happened in 1951

        Smash. The sound of another Zionist myth being destroyed.

      • gamal on April 18, 2015, 7:08 pm

        ok the Farhud, i like Giladi but should you wish to you will find a lot of others reporting the same stuff and placing it all in context, there is Ari Alexander’s “Jews of Baghdad 1920-48” a brief paper he wrote while at Magdalen (pronounced Maudlin, which you no doubt know) college Oxford, the approach you are taking to this is hopelessly shallow, your final paragraph is just silly, you give the impression of knowing little to nothing of what the documentary record has to offer about the situation in Iraq during the second world war, and the forces at work in Iraq, dont you teach history? what was going on in Iraq say from 1917 to 63?

        “The Riots of 1941

        If, as I have said, my family in Iraq was not persecuted personally and I knew no deprivation as a member of the Jewish minority, what led me to the steps of the gallows as a member of the Zionist underground? To answer that question, it is necessary to establish the context of the massacre that occurred in Baghdad on June 1, 1941, when several hundred Iraqi Jews were killed in riots involving junior officers of the Iraqi army. I was 12 years of age and many of those killed were my friends. I was angry, and very confused.

        What I didn’t know at the time was that the riots most likely were stirred up by the British, in collusion with a pro-British Iraqi leadership.

        With the breakup of the Ottoman Empire following WW I, Iraq came under British “tutelage.” Amir Faisal, son of Sharif Hussein who had led the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman sultan, was brought in from Mecca by the British to become King of Iraq in 1921. Many Jews were appointed to key administrative posts, including that of economics minister. Britain retained final authority over domestic and external affairs. Britain’s pro-Zionist attitude in Palestine, however, triggered a growing anti-Zionist backlash in Iraq, as it did in all Arab countries. Writing at the end of 1934, Sir Francis Humphreys, Britain’s Ambassador in Baghdad, noted that, while before WW I Iraqi Jews had enjoyed a more favorable position than any other minority in the country, since then “Zionism has sown dissension between Jews and Arabs, and a bitterness has grown up between the two peoples which did not previously exist.”

        King Faisal died in 1933. He was succeeded by his son Ghazi, who died in a motor car accident in 1939. The crown then passed to Ghazi’s 4-year-old son, Faisal II, whose uncle, Abd al-Ilah, was named regent. Abd al-Ilah selected Nouri el-Said as prime minister. El-Said supported the British and, as hatred of the British grew, he was forced from office in March 1940 by four senior army officers who advocated Iraq’s independence from Britain. Calling themselves the Golden Square, the officers compelled the regent to name as prime minister Rashid Ali al-Kilani, leader of the National Brotherhood party.

        The time was 1940 and Britain was reeling from a strong German offensive. Al-Kilani and the Golden Square saw this as their opportunity to rid themselves of the British once and for all. Cautiously they began to negotiate for German support, which led the pro-British regent Abd al-Ilah to dismiss al-Kilani in January 1941. By April, however, the Golden Square officers had reinstated the prime minister.

        This provoked the British to send a military force into Basra on April 12, 1941. Basra, Iraq’s second largest city, had a Jewish population of 30,000. Most of these Jews made their livings from import/export, money changing, retailing, as workers in the airports, railways, and ports, or as senior government employees.

        On the same day, April 12, supporters of the pro-British regent notified the Jewish leaders that the regent wanted to meet with them. As was their custom, the leaders brought flowers for the regent. Contrary to custom, however, the cars that drove them to the meeting place dropped them off at the site where the British soldiers were concentrated.

        Photographs of the Jews appeared in the following day’s newspapers with the banner “Basra Jews Receive British Troops with Flowers.” That same day, April 13, groups of angry Arab youths set about to take revenge against the Jews. Several Muslim notables in Basra heard of the plan and calmed things down. Later, it was learned that the regent was not in Basra at all and that the matter was a provocation by his pro-British supporters to bring about an ethnic war in order to give the British army a pretext to intervene.

        The British continued to land more forces in and around Basra. On May 7, 1941, their Gurkha unit, composed of Indian soldiers from that ethnic group, occupied Basra’s el-Oshar quarter, a neighborhood with a large Jewish population. The soldiers, led by British officers, began looting. Many shops in the commercial district were plundered. Private homes were broken into. Cases of attempted rape were reported. Local residents, Jews and Muslims, responded with pistols and old rifles, but their bullets were no match for the soldiers’ Tommy Guns.”

        https://www.google.ie/search?q=naem+giladi+farhud&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=WMoyVemFOczgarmsgLgH

        And this not really very polemical but if its good enough for Zvi ben Dor then…

        “Invisible Exile: Iraqi Jews In Israel”

        Iraqi Jews have been living more then five decades as Israeli citizens,and the overwhelming majority of them identify the Jewish state as their home. Yet many of them accept the notion that they are in a “Babylonian Exile.”

        http://www.academia.edu/1086705/Invisible_Exile_Iraqi_Jews_in_Israel

        The Farhud wasnt a pogrom, it refers, in the Arab mind, to the complete breakdown of security engineered by the British, which also affected Iraqi Jews, sure, but thats hardly the whole story, Ari is very good on all that. so here’s the link again

        http://users.ox.ac.uk/~metheses/Alexander.pdf

        Did Professor Gil let students who hadn’t done the reading remain in seminars?

        As a reward get yourself a copy of “Instructions for American Servicemen in Iraq during World War II”, compare it too the 2003 one, you will laugh and laugh, oddly no mention of the eternal Sunni/Shia conflict, if i recall correctly, I want one decorated with those Abu Ghraib photo’s, coffee table size.

        http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo5579572.html

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:10 pm

        It’s important to mention the effect of the pogrom known as the “Farhud” in 1941 in destabilizing and traumatizing the Iraqi Jewish community.

        It was WWII for crying out loud. Half the planet was traumatized. Do you Zios ever lift your eyelids from navel gazing

      • Walid on April 19, 2015, 12:51 am

        jon s, your view of the Farhud is way off; if you continue refusing to read what Iraqi Jews Naim Giladi, Ella Shohat and Violet Shamash wrote about it, at least read what was written about on the US Holocaust Memorial Museum site:

        http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007277

    • jon s on April 20, 2015, 2:01 pm

      tree,
      “Iraqi jews in Israel celebrated when two Zionist Jews were executed in Iraq for the Synagogue bombing” …
      You wouldn’t happen to have a source for such an accusation?

      • echinococcus on April 20, 2015, 2:23 pm

        Jon S,

        It’s not an accusation.

      • annie on April 20, 2015, 5:16 pm

        jon, as i recall, Yehouda Shenhav wrote about it. i have linked to it here before. no time now…

      • tree on April 20, 2015, 7:08 pm

        Sorry, jon. I’m super busy right now and most of my books are packed away at the moment, but my recollection would tend to look for Segev as the source. Perhaps Shabti said something similar. The anger that the new Iraqi immigrants had towards both the Iraqi government and Israel has been mentioned in numerous sources. When I get access to my books again, I’ll hunt down the exact source.

        In the meantime here’s a quote from Yehuda Shenhav in “Arab Jews” that’s accessible on the web:

        In January 1952, about a half a year after the official conclusion of the operation that brought Iraq’s Jews to Israel, two Zionist activists, Yosef Basri and Shalom Salah, were hanged in Baghdad. They had been charged with possession of explosive materials and throwing bombs in the city center. According to the account of Shlomo Hillel, a former Israeli cabinet minister and Zionist activist in Iraq, their last words as they stood on the gallows were “Long live the state of Israel” (Hillel 1984:342). It would have only been natural for Iraqi Jews in Israel to have reacted with outrage to news of the hangings. But on the contrary, the mourning assemblies organized by leaders of the community in various Israeli cities failed to arouse widespread solidarity with the two Iraqi Zionists. Just the opposite; a classified communication from Moshe Sasson of the Foreign Ministry’s Middle East Division to the then Foreign Minister Moshe Sharett said that many Iraqi immigrants, residents of the transit camps had greeted the hanging with the attitude: “That is God’s revenge on the movement that brought us to such depths”. 6 This bitter reaction attests to an acute degree of discontent among the newly arrived Iraqi Jews. It suggest that a good number of them did not view their immigration as the joyous return to Zion depicted by the community’s Zionist activists. Rather, in addition to blaming the Iraqi government, they blamed the ZIonist movement for bringing them to Israel for reasons that did not include the best interests of the immigrants themselves. 7

        Shenhav, page 113

        https://books.google.com/books?id=k7FoMi-qY4kC&pg=PA112&lpg=PA112&dq=Yehuda+Shenhav+gods+revenge&source=bl&ots=JZAs37dvBM&sig=rqOlMhET4EtuDPZDfJVH3gJ9K64&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4W41VebmHoHlsAXXtYH4Cg&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Yehuda%20Shenhav%20gods%20revenge&f=false

  11. JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 5:14 pm

    RE: “[Netanyahu’s] speech, given yesterday at Yad Vashem (and translated), approaches lunacy. Notice how he repeatedly equates Iran with the Nazis in its aspirations to ‘establish a master race’ that would control the world and in its ‘plans to exterminate six million Jews’. . . . And we let this man anywhere near our foreign policy?” ~ Weiss

    SEE: “Benjamin Netanyahu’s Fantasy World”, by Michael Lerner, Tikkun.org, March 3, 2015
    Netanyahu’s speech to Congress was brilliantly deceitful because it played to the fantasies that Israeli propaganda and right-wing militarists in the United States have been popularizing for the past thirty years.

    [EXCERPT] . . . In my book Embracing Israel/Palestine based in part on research I did while living in Israel and doing research at Tel Aviv University and Hebrew University in Jerusalem, I describe the devastating consequences of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder on the capacity of those who have suffered extreme stress or oppression to make rational decisions for themselves. The PTSD is most acute in both the Israeli and Palestinian population, but far less so among Iranians who have never suffered in the past 70 years the way Jews and Palestinians have. So if we have any worries about possession of nuclear weapons, that concern should direct us to seeking nuclear disarmament from Israel. But as for the impact of PTSD, having those 200 nukes should have yielded Israel a payoff in feeling secure. Instead, Israel continues to live under the cloud of the seventy-year-old trauma of the Holocaust, and the Prime Minister of Israel comes to the U.S. to shout “Never Again.” But that slogan was originally meant to be a slogan concerning all peoples – so that no one should ever suffer what Jews suffered…

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/benjamin-netanyahus-fantasy-world

    • JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 5:21 pm
    • JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 5:51 pm

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “Is There a Way Beyond Israeli Madness?” [Will the Chosen People and the Exceptional People Go Down Together?] ~ by John Grant, Counterpunch, 8/31/12

      [EXCERPTS]

      The patient, by the name of Israel, walks into the room and instantly bursts into a tirade of arguments conclusively proving his credentials, and says that he is better than everyone else.
      – Ofer Grosbard in “Israel On The Couch: The Psychology of the Peace Process”

      The problem Americans have with Israel is that the region it exists in is in the midst of a major political sea change, while Israel is frozen in time and holding on to its militarist, right-wing policies of extending settlements in the West Bank. It’s a policy that harks back to the ideas of the British-trained militarist Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall [now augmented by the US-funded “Iron Dome” – J.L.D.], which is based on the idea a live-and-let-live policy between Jews and Arabs is impossible and, thus, Jews must militarily control and repress Palestinians…
      . . . How does a people turn back a racially-oriented demonization program with roots that extend back many decades? How do you ratchet down a nation’s narcissism so people are able to simply see the other as a human being? . . .
      . . . On our part, Americans and the United States need to stop being a permissive yes-man and begin to show Israel some tough love. We need more US criticism of Israel. No doubt this approach will be received with gales of cynical laughter from hardliners … but so what?
      In my mind, the Israeli narcissistic and arrogant mindset would benefit from a little Buddhist detachment, more of the posture that sees the world not of separate individual selves and egos but of human beings as part of a larger flow of life. The Buddhists call the self-obsessed, separatist state-of-mind [i.e. the “pale” of Israel surrounded by Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall augmented by the US-funded “Iron Dome” – J.L.D.] that Israel thrives on and defends with weapons as “the illusory self.”
      “Once one identifies with a permanent self-concept, the pride and craving adhering to this become the pivot from which an egocentric world arises,” writes Gay Watson, a psychotherapist attuned to Buddhism.
      David Loy puts it this way: “To become completely groundless is also to become completely grounded, not in some particular, but in the whole network of interdependent relations that constitute the world.”
      I’m not suggesting Israel become a Buddhist nation. The point is for Israelis, and more important Americans, to figure a way out of the worsening condition of “us versus them” to avoid the need to obliterate them and set off a war that no one really wants. The point is to re-shape our minds to make “the other” less threatening to permit talking.
      I’m not holding my breath that Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman are going to become peace activists.
      But I’m done as an American being a silent stooge while Israeli militarist madness fuels hatred and sets the stage for war.

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/31/is-there-a-way-beyond-israeli-madness/

    • JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 6:46 pm

      P.P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA [Narcissism]:

      (EXCERPTS) Narcissism is a term with a wide range of meanings, depending on whether it is used to describe a central concept of psychoanalytic theory, a mental illness, a social or cultural problem, or simply a personality trait. . .
      . . . Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism.
      [6]
      Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
      Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
      Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
      Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person’s ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
      Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an “awkward” or “difficult” person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
      Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
      Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. . .

      SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

    • jon s on April 19, 2015, 2:28 am

      1. An event in 1941 can’t have an impact on events in 1951? What kind of historical thinking is that?
      2. If the Farhud wasn’t a pogrom I don’t know what is.
      The dictionary definition of “pogrom”:

      “: an organized massacre of helpless people; specifically : such a massacre of Jews.”
      (webster on-line)

      3.The farhud took place in the context of a pro-Nazi revolt. The British were certainly not interested in a “breakdown of security”. They were trying to restore the pro-British regime.

      • Shingo on April 19, 2015, 3:04 am

        1. An event in 1941 can’t have an impact on events in 1951? What kind of historical thinking is that?

        The kind of logical cause and effect thinking you Zios are so averse to. If events of 1941 were as traumatic and threatening as you suggest, why the 10 year delay before those who were allegedly so traumatized decided to act on that threat?

        2. If the Farhud wasn’t a pogrom I don’t know what is.

        We’ve already established you know very little. There was no organized massacre in Iraq. Whatever took place was anything but organized.

        3.The farhud took place in the context of a pro-Nazi revolt.

        Stop lying. Your own last sentence states clearly that the farhud took place in the context of anti British imperialism, when the Iraqi leadership were moving to end the British occupation – you know like the Zios did in Palestine.

        They were trying to restore the pro-British regime.

        Which is colonialism and occupation. Unless of course,k you are suggesting we should reagrd the Zionist movement also as pro-Nazi

      • Walid on April 19, 2015, 3:13 am

        ““: an organized massacre of helpless people; specifically : such a massacre of Jews.” (webster on-line)”

        200 Jews killed, 600 injured and 1500 properties looted, but there was nothing organized about what happened. It was a spontaneous riot provoked by a misunderstanding of Jews bearing flowers that had been believed intended for the arriving British (see description by Gamal above). It was a stupid mistake that was fostered by the British. Before and after what you call a “pogrom”, the Jews had 6 members of parliament and a minister and not long after the event of Shavuot 1941, the Jews returned to be prosperous and happy in Iraq until the Zionists came and spoiled it all by yanking them to Israel.

      • Shingo on April 19, 2015, 3:16 am

        It was a spontaneous riot provoked by a misunderstanding of Jews bearing flowers that had been believed intended for the arriving British (see description by Gamal above). It was a stupid mistake that was fostered by the British.

        There is strong evidence to suggest the British incited this event by planting this false story and setting it up. By inciting this violence, the British had a pretext to “restore order” and remain.

  12. Kris on April 16, 2015, 5:59 pm

    Do Jews really think it’s ok to use religious texts in this way? I hope that some of you Jewish Zionists who actually believe in Judaism in some way (is this even possible?) will explain this to me.

    From what I can tell, Isaiah 52 is about trusting in God to “redeem Jerusalem.” It is not about lying about the Iranians and trying to get the U.S. to start a war against them. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/52.htm

    Isaiah 60 is about the glory of God that will illuminate the Jews after God forgives and redeems them. It is pretty over-the-top, but t is definitely not about the glory of the IDF. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/60-2.htm

    • Mooser on April 16, 2015, 7:39 pm

      “Do Jews really think it’s ok to use religious texts in this way?”

      I don’t think there’s much doubt about Zionist feelings and, for that matter, ideology, when it comes to Judaism. They think Judaism is of tremendous utility.

    • DaBakr on April 17, 2015, 12:45 pm

      @k

      this “religious text” that you mention is only one of the major foundations of all of european society from the Holy RomanEmporor to Magna Carta which spread west to the Americas AND the same texts went on to be the major inspiration for the foundation of the billions of Muslims who cover the world but especially in the ME. So, why should the Jews be any different. Don’t kill people is a religious text. others are less direct.

      • Kris on April 20, 2015, 11:35 pm

        DaBakr, did you even read the article we’re discussing? I was asking if Netanyahu’s use of religious texts (in this case, the book of Isaiah) to weave a web of lies is really okay with Jews who actually believe in Judaism. To me, using the Bible as a prop or scaffold for lies seems a deliberate insult to God, and I would think it would offend anyone who actually adhered to Judaism/Christianity/Islam.

        I would like to understand why this is, apparently, okay with Jews. It is so confusing, this thing about “Jews” who aren’t really “Jews” where religion is concerned.

        “Religious texts, also known as scripture, scriptures, holy writ, or holy books, are the texts which various religious traditions consider to be sacred, or central to their religious tradition.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_text

        So if these texts are “sacred” or “central,” why is it okay for Netanyahu to profane them? Just wondering.

    • jon s on April 19, 2015, 4:13 pm

      (Why can’t there be a reply button under every comment? It would contribute to a more coherent discussion.)

      Shingo, Walid,
      An historical event can have short-term and long-term effects, happens all the time. For many Iraqi Jews the Farhud was a shock which had a profound impact on their sense of safety and security.

      Are you seriously saying that it was just a “misunderstanding” ? a “mistake”?”spontaneous”?
      You’re completely ignoring the anti-Jewish propaganda spread by pro-Nazi elements , including the infamous Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini who was active in Iraq at the time.
      And yes, the Jews certainly preferred a pro-British regime to a pro-Nazi one. Need I explain why?

      Shingo, I’m not competing with you in knowledge. If you think you know more, I’ll take your word for it.

      • jon s on April 19, 2015, 4:27 pm

        Once again , I recommend the film “The Dove Flyer” , on the events that brought about the end of the Jewish community in Iraq, and based on the the writings of Eli Amir:

      • annie on April 19, 2015, 4:49 pm

        based on the the writings of Eli Amir

        based on his (fictional) novel by the same name. Amir left bagdad for israel with his family when he was 13. later worked for the Jewish Agency, and as a special advisor on Arab affairs to the Israeli president. i would be interested in whose writing Amir’s story was based on unless it is autobiographical.

        http://www.haaretz.com/life/books/fiction-tom-sawyer-on-the-tigris-1.343962

        The novel drags, however, when it attempts to capture so many trials and tribulations that it seems it will take forever for the Jews to leave Iraq for Israel, as some 80 percent of them did in 1950-51. Some scenes border on the didactic, as if the writer is trying to give the reader more of a history lesson than a plot-driven novel.

        ….It becomes clear that Amir wants to explain the great battle going on within the Jewish community of the time between Zionists and communists, and to prove the ultimate superiority of the Zionist outlook. Those who belong to neither camp and want to stay rooted in Baghdad, like the narrator’s bourgeois cousins, are portrayed as having sold their souls – people who essentially survive by paying protection money to the most powerful neighborhood gang.

        Missing is the background that would explain to the reader why this famous chapter of aliyah is so controversial, accompanied as it was by rumors that Mossad agents set off bombs in Baghdad to scare reluctant Iraqi Jews into signing up for immigration. Although there is a slight hint in the novel that fellow Jews might have planted the bombs, it isn’t at all clear in the narrative that Israel was likely involved in these events.

        that was probably left out of the movie too.

        the zionists were certainly motivated to get iraqi jews to come to israel as they had tried to set up a deal w/the british puppet gov to “trade” iraqi jews with palestinians way before the immigration/expulsions. one wonders to what efforts they took to make life so unbearable for iraqi jews they would leave after centuries.

        either way the zionist got their wish didn’t they — at the expense of iraqi jews. and now they want to be compensated for what they set out to do to begin with. really hideous shit if you ask me. did they mention any of that in the movie? or was it primarily framed as anti semitism?

      • gamal on April 19, 2015, 5:49 pm

        the dove flyer? Jon why do you hate literature, this is parlous. The belly dancer, miss Sylvia, that other Iraqi Saddam also wrote turgid novels, Iraq is often the female lead, symbolism makes me want to puke hot red ink everywhere.

        I always liked Bar Moshes’ tart surreal little epigram ” A man without his house is an illusion” from “Bayt Fi Baghdad”,but each to his own, I dont like narratives, and as a writer i never tell stories, i loved bar M’s fractured incompleteness, occluded memory, what mummy and daddy told us, the whole cosmology of the 3 storied structure, the al sirdab thing delighted me, its a gas, reminded me of Habibi or even in some ways Mernissi.

        “There was no window in our house that looked out on to the street. But our house overlooked the whole world. In it were the sky and air, the earth and the clouds, the sun, the moon, and the stars”

        better for me than the below, has B Fi B been filmed in israel?, Anwar as in Abu Anwar below, means luminous, nice name, But really Amira seems not to be a Jewish princess, as I understand it, perhaps the subtext eludes me.

        “In this novel, Eli Amir skilfully unfolds the story of Iraqi Jewry on the eve of its immigration to Israel in 1950, two years after the establishment of the state. The events are conveyed through the eyes of 17-year-old Kabi Amari whose father, Salman, a Zionist, dreams of emigrating to Israel and growing rice there, like his grandfather. The novel is also the story of the other Amari family members and their neighbors in Baghdad`s Jewish quarter. Kabi`s Uncle Hizkel, a journalist and member of the Zionist underground, is arrested and locked up in Baghdad`s central jail together with other Zionist activists. Communists are also targets of the regime, and one family member, Salim Effendi, a high school vice-principal, believes the Jews will be safe only when the communists take power. Salim, an educated man who looks like Clark Gable, dreams of a progressive Iraq in which Jews and Muslims will live as equals. He falls in love with a famous belly dancer, but as a Jew he stands no chance of winning her heart. In the meantime he has an affair with an English teacher, Miss Sylvia, a liberated young Londoner who has fallen in love with the magic of the Orient. And there are the Jews who do not dream of change and revolution, but simply want to continue their lives as before. One of them is Salman`s neighbor, Abu Anwar, who raises pigeons. His beautiful daughter Amira, an outstanding student, runs away from home and secretly emigrates to Israel.
        Persecution is rife, opponents of the regime are hanged in the city square, and execution awaits Hizkel too. Posing as a tea vendor, Kabi visits him in jail, while Rashel, Hizkel’s wife, tries to obtain his freedom through a Muslim lawyer who later becomes her lover. When the government allows the Jews to leave the country, Hizkel and Rashel stay behind. Salman and his family join the thousands of Jews leaving Iraq. They dream of a house and garden in Israel, but when they arrive they land on the cruel ground of reality. Instead of a house they are given a tent, and the dream of growing rice is also quickly shattered. They know they must start everything from scratch.”

      • RoHa on April 19, 2015, 9:12 pm

        “that other Iraqi Saddam also wrote turgid novels,”

        I am given to understand that, when Saddam was executed, the loudest cheers were from the Arabic Lit. departments in the universities.

      • Shingo on April 20, 2015, 1:31 am

        An historical event can have short-term and long-term effects, happens all the time.

        No it does not. Never has there been a delay of 10 years before a population reacted to a traumatic and violent event. If the the Farhud event was so shocking and had such a profound impact on their sense of safety and security, then it makes no sense whatsoever that the Jewish population would have collectively waited 10 years to respond.

        You’re completely ignoring the anti-Jewish propaganda spread by pro-Nazi elements , including the infamous Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini who was active in Iraq at the time.

        Are you completely ignoring the fact that by 1951, Nazis had been defeated 60 years earlier?

      • Mooser on April 20, 2015, 12:56 pm

        “Are you completely ignoring the fact that by 1951, Nazis had been defeated 60 years earlier?”

        The Nazis are always with us.

  13. JLewisDickerson on April 16, 2015, 6:11 pm

    RE: I don’t understand why this type of rhetoric doesn’t make huge headlines in the United States. His [Netanyahu’s] closing is his second quotation from Isaiah: “‘Shake thyself from the dust; put on thy beautiful garments, my people.’ The nation of eternity has shaken itself from the dust, returned home, stood tall, established an outstanding country and an outstanding army, the Israel Defense Force, in which our brave and courageous sons and daughters serve.” So religion is used to justify militant nationalism. This is why David Shulman and others are using the word fascism to describe currents in Israel. ~ Weiss

    FOR SOME OF THE REASONS WHY JOURNALISTS IN THE U.S. DARE NOT WRITE ABOUT RIGHT-WING JEWISH EXTREMISM IN ISRAEL, SEE (OR LISTEN TO): “Why the U.S. Media Barely Covered Brutal Right-Wing Race Riots in Tel Aviv”, By Joshua Holland, AlterNet, 6/17/12

    [EXCERPTS] Several weeks back, Israel was rocked by a night of right-wing race-riots targeting African refugees. . .
    . . . The story received very little coverage in the. . . States. . .
    . . . Recently, Middle East analyst MJ Rosenberg appeared on the AlterNet Radio Hour to discuss the Tel Aviv riots, the stand-off over Iran’s nuclear program and how the Israel lobby helps narrow the discourse around Israel in the United States. Below is a lightly edited transcript of the discussion (you can listen to the whole interview here.)

    [EXCERPTS]
    • JOSHUA HOLLAND: From your inside perspective on that organization [AIPAC], what did you see as far as their tendency to call out criticism that they think is illegitimate or beyond the pale?
    • MJ ROSENBERG: They [AIPAC] consider all criticism of Israel illegitimate. It’s all beyond the pale. I suppose their definition would be if by some miracle someone like Joseph Lieberman made a statement critical of Israel it would be legitimate. When I worked there in the ’80s, back before everyone had computers, they had a big war room where all they did was assemble every bit of data on members of Congress, on candidates, but also on writers, celebrities – anyone in the public eye.
    In those days they would just put them in these folders. They always had at hand all this negative information — what they considered negative information — to tar people as being anti-Israel or even anti-Semitic. That stuff would be given to reporters if something came up. They were either initiated on their own to give to reporters or some reporter called them because they had a treasure trove of information.
    They still operate that way. In those days they did it directly; now they have former staffers and people who are close to the organization in the blogging world and political world who do it for them. They do it so much. When you read that someone is anti-Israel they’re the ones putting it out there. They’ve got the data. . .
    [snip]
    . . . • JOSHUA HOLLAND: . . . Speaking of our discourse, I want to talk about an issue that came up recently that’s gotten very little coverage in the United States. There were a series of violent race riots by right-wing Israelis against African immigrants in Tel Aviv. This was a big deal. I was looking at the US coverage and it was amazing at how little attention these riots received. . .
    • MJ ROSENBERG: . . .This is a common thing. When there are bad things going on inside Israel — the way they treat the Palestinians and in this case the way they’re treating these poor African refugees from loathsome regimes who wind up in Israel — these stories are … I don’t want to say suppressed in the United States, but it’s striking how much coverage they get in Israel itself and how a paper like the New York Times is too scared to touch it.
    I have to say they’re afraid to touch it. The reason is when an American outlet talks about Israel in any way that’s negative, or reports on anything negative about Israel, they will be inundated with complaints from powerful people who will tell them, “why are you picking on Israel?” They always say, “why is it that China is doing all these things and you’re not writing about that?” Of course, they do. You even see it in the blogosphere too, the intimidation. If you aren’t utterly secure in your position in the media then you don’t mess with Israel. More to the point, you don’t mess with the people here who are Israel’s enforcers…

    ENTIRE (LIGHTLY EDITED) TRANSCRIPT – http://www.alternet.org/story/155866/why_the_u.s._media_barely_covered_brutal_right-wing_race_riots_in_tel_aviv/

    • jon s on April 20, 2015, 1:51 pm

      gamal,
      One thing I’ve never been accused of is hating literature, probably the most bizarre accusation I’ve encountered yet..I suppose there’s a first time for everything.

    • jon s on April 20, 2015, 2:10 pm

      Annie, I imagine that Eli Amir’s writing is informed by his personal experience. Incidentally, he appears in the movie, in a bit part, as the schoolmaster.
      Again, I recommend that you see the movie, instead of trying to guess what’s in it.

      • annie on April 20, 2015, 3:15 pm

        yes, i assumed it was “informed” by his personal experience too jon. since he left iraq when he was 13 it’s likely his perceptions of events going on around him in iraq have been severely impacted by political opinions as an adult. after all, he was born in the 1930’s, memories generally morph with adulthood.

        if you scroll on that haaretz link under the heading of “Political agenda” the author mentions the final chapters are the most poignant, probably because he more matured when he experienced these events over time and therefore can write about them with more authority.

        Surprisingly for me – a reviewer who relishes any opportunity to visit Baghdad, whether in person or in fiction – it is the book’s closing chapters, when the family finally makes it to Israel, that are most poignant. The description of the breakdown of Kabi’s proud father, who experiences enormous disappointment after years of dreaming of life in Zion, is perhaps the most touching of all. It is here we see the odd mismatch of cultures, and feel for a people who had a sophisticated, urbane and ancient culture but are now reduced to living in tents and eking out a new existence due to Ashkenazi discrimination and the raw newness of a state ill-prepared to absorb so many immigrants.

        could it be that he was piecing together his understandings of his past experiences, tinged with his political views in recreating events in his youth? and not to beat a dead horse, but when the author writes “It becomes clear that Amir wants …. to prove the ultimate superiority of the Zionist outlook” i wonder how much and otherwise interesting story might also be a bit of indoctrination with huge gaps in history) like israel’s involvement in the fate of iraqi jews and why they left. i’m sure it probably is an interesting story, but it reeks of agenda, an agenda i am not sure i need to be privy to for the sake of art.

  14. William Burns on April 16, 2015, 7:52 pm

    Iran is the one submerging Gaza in blood and suffering? I think we can retire the intergalactic chutzpah crown–no one’s ever going to top that one.

  15. echinococcus on April 16, 2015, 9:50 pm

    Once more we see how wrong-headed is the attitude of most opponents of Zionism to play the goddamn censors every time one compares Zionism, with excellent historical and fact-based argument, to its twin brother Nazism. In the absence of relentless opposition by this fully justidied comparison, the Netanyahoos win by spreading further and consolidating the idiocy that the real problem with Nazism was its opposition to the Jews…

  16. oldgeezer on April 17, 2015, 1:28 am

    Well I guess you can count me as one of those who has issues with comparisons between Nazism and Zionism. The comparisons are facile.

    Zionism is no different than other nationalist and supremacists movements which became popular in the 19th century of which nazism was one. The kkk and other white supremacists had similar beliefs and enjoyed signficiant popularity during the same period. At their core they are all racist beliefs and while we have collectively dealth with many of these movements, zionism has been given a bit of a free pass due to the actions of nazis in WWII. There is no doubt that the Nazis went further than other supremacist movements. That can’t be argued/. It wasn’t that they were more evil but that they had the opportunity. The evil is in the philosophy which is one shared by many ethnic nationalist movements, including nazidm and modern day zionists.

    • echinococcus on April 17, 2015, 1:50 am

      Nazism (and Zionism) have some characteristics that distinguish them from common-or-garden fascism, or common nationalism. First off, the total, open, contempt of justice and fairness where others will still pretend to at least pay lip service to international law (even Mussolini and Bush did!); the worship of general war and worship of the right of conquest, elevated to basic tenet of the national religion; the unashamedly racial supremacist basic ideology; the unashamed genocidal practices, where others are careful to evoke some “mistake” excuse. In some of these characteristics there are of course differences in scale and scope between Zionists and Nazis but no essential divergences. Of course correspondences cannot be all one to one; for one the Nazis were starting on land of their own, and they were not inventing a “nation” out of whole cloth, etc. I believe that some measure of electoral freedom and quasi-free speech limited to only the Herrenrasse is irrelevant to the basic character of the regime.
      The advantage of calling Zionism Nazi is that it is a very succinct and essentially correct way of summarizing its main characteristics.
      Would be interesting to continue this in some more detail but the most urgent thing is to stop this typically American habit of equating Nazism with the oppression of Jews, forgetting that it is a lot more than that.

  17. Qualtrough on April 17, 2015, 1:57 am

    “Notice how he repeatedly equates Iran with the Nazis in its aspirations to “establish a master race” that would control the world and in its “plans to exterminate six million Jews.”

    OK, I am calling it here now. This speech marks the moment Netanyahu Jumped the Shark.

  18. Kay24 on April 17, 2015, 7:31 am

    Last year’s massacre in Gaza, which resulted in the deaths of over 2000 Palestinians, mostly civilians, mostly women and children, FULLY qualifies for that Nazi award.

    To call Israelis “Nazis” is anti semitic, to call Iranians “Nazis” is fully acceptable in the zionist world.

    • Scandipope on April 18, 2015, 10:50 am

      What nonsense…

      Civilian deaths* caused by collateral damage in a dense urban environment does not in any way, shape or form equal a massacre.

      And considering the opponent, how long the fighting lasted and how densely populated Gaza is, 2000 deaths is actually very low. Ask anybody even mildly knowledgeable about military affairs.

      If you want to talk about massacres, there’s plenty of real ones taking place in Iraq, Syria, Nigeria and Sudan. Not just once every few years, but every month.

      It’s certainly interesting how some people seem to obsessively focus on Israel and Palestine when it comes to conflict and human right violations.

      *Given HAMAS modus operandi of mixing with civilians, and using civilian installations it’s hard to say exactly how many of the 2000 casualties are civilian. But from independent observers we know that there certainly is an unusually large number of men between 18 and 40 among them.

      • echinococcus on April 18, 2015, 1:15 pm

        Collateral damage, eh? Let me see you when someone bombs, say, Tel-Aviv and says the same words.

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:34 pm

        Let me see you when someone bombs, say, Tel-Aviv and says the same words.

        Yeah, I wonder of the 3 murdered youths would be dismissed as Collateral damage by our new resident wannabe Mark Regev mini me.

      • Kay24 on April 18, 2015, 2:00 pm

        You really should change your source of information, or stop pretending to be naive.

        Here take it from one of many international sources, not Israel’s hasbara nonsense. Israel’s propaganda makes it’s supporters look uninformed when making comments. Israel is not known for being honest.

        “Notwithstanding that, the Special Committee, as in past years, sought information from a wide range of sources, including United Nations officials, representatives of non-governmental organizations as well as victims and witnesses of Israeli violations from within and outside Israel and the Occupied Territory.

        “Three months after the ceasefire, it is all too clear that civilians, including children, have paid the heaviest price,” he said, noting that the latest figures available from the United Nations indicated that 1,523 Palestinian civilians, including 519 children, were killed during the hostilities last summer. Civilian deaths represented 69 per cent of the total number of Palestinian fatalities during the hostilities — an unacceptably high ration that could not be dismissed as “collateral damage”, he said.

        An interactive dialogue followed, during which the observer for the State of Palestine declared that there was a human rights crisis in Palestine, where every aspect of life was being infringed as the occupying Power continued to subjugate the people and entrench its occupation. While 2014 began on a hopeful note, with the United States-brokered peace negotiations, she said, Israel had reverted to its colonial policies, destroying the fabric of Palestinian society. Despite the gravity of the situation, Palestinians had not given up on peace.”

        Here, get enlightened: http://www.un.org/press/en/2014/gaspd574.doc.htm

        Also give up on the “look over there they are worse” response. It is old, and if you have not noticed, this article is about Netanyahu/Israel.

        It is pathetic that Israeli supporters have to keep pointing at others, to look better. Israel is expected to act better, although it does not. Strange, for the so called only “democracy in the ME.

      • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:27 pm

        Civilian deaths* caused by collateral damage in a dense urban environment does not in any way, shape or form equal a massacre.

        What a load of Zio crap!!

        The civilians were not “collateral damage”, they were the intended target. An account of the Shujaiya destruction by journalist Mark Perry based on a Jul. 21 US Defense Department report recalls that the IDF fired 7,000 artillery shells at residential areas in the district the night of Jul. 19, including 4,500 shells in the space of just seven minutes.

        That is nothing short of carpet bombing an entire area, so yes, it was a massacre.

        And considering the opponent, how long the fighting lasted and how densely populated Gaza is, 2000 deaths is actually very low. Ask anybody even mildly knowledgeable about military affairs.

        Oh really? So the 60+ Israelis that were killed was no big deal, and proves that Hamas were being very selective and restrained with their targeting too I take it? After all, with 6 million Jews to chose from, surely they could have killed a lot more right?

        If you want to talk about massacres, there’s plenty of real ones taking place in Iraq, Syria, Nigeria and Sudan. Not just once every few years, but every month.

        Yes, as the hasbara playbook says, when you are losing the argument, always be sure to point to another massacre in the world to divert attention. Maybe first time murderers should use that failed argument, “but your honour, I only killed one person, what about all those other serial killers waling free that you never caught”?

        It’s certainly interesting how some people seem to obsessively focus on Israel and Palestine when it comes to conflict and human right violations.

        Especially from Israeli fascists, apartheid apologists for mass murder who strangely enough, love to pooh-pooh human rights and international law when it comes to Israel’s egregious violations.

        Given HAMAS modus operandi of mixing with civilians, and using civilian installations it’s hard to say exactly how many of the 2000 casualties are civilian.

        That’s not a given, it’s absolute crap as all international and reporters on the ground reported this time around debunked those claims. But hey, don’t IDF troops mix with civilians too? I hear Sderot and Ashkelon are filled with an absolute shitload of Israeli combatants and military equipment.

        But from independent observers we know that there certainly is an unusually large number of men between 18 and 40 among them.

        Oh wow, given that Gaza’s population is so young, it’s likely that the majority of the population falls into that age bracket.

        GO take a jump off a cliff you cretin

  19. Sycamores on April 17, 2015, 11:42 am

    the leader of the secular state of Israel verbally attacks the Islamic state of Iran with bibical quotes. irony or lunacy?, maybe both.

  20. Scandipope on April 18, 2015, 12:00 pm

    @David Fincham

    Lawyers and political philosophers have discussed for decades what exactly is a requirement for nationhood. Is de facto control enough, or is international recognition also necessary?

    In the case of Israel, it has both. And in fact it’s looking more secure than ever. It has close ties with two of its close neighbors, the only neighbour still hostile to it has devolved into a handful of warring sheikdoms.

    And most importantly, after over 60 years, and generations born in the country, very few people in the U.S. or Europe question their right to exist.

    I’ve never travelled much in neither religious nor Jewish circles, but outside of bitter Palestinian émigrés, and a handful of old Maoists, I’ve never met anyone who questions Israels right to exist. Even among people very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, that sympathy rarely stretches further than to a two state solution.

    As for Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union neither country had the internal cohesion to stay together, and once defacto control were in the hands of another party, the international community quickly recognized them as independent countries.

    No such situation is likely to happen in Israel, which despite its turbulent politics has a high degree of internal cohesion. (Inside of the 67 borders).
    Even the large Palestinian/Druze/Bedouin minority
    may hope for a two state solution for Palestinians without Israeli citizenship, but polls show that they have little intention to live there themselves but would, begrudgingly in some cases perhaps, prefer to stay as Israeli citizens.

    • just on April 18, 2015, 12:17 pm

      “I’ve never travelled much……….”

      That much is clear, ‘Scandipope’. You’ve said that before:

      “…I don’t travel much in neither Jewish nor Zionist circles.

      But among regular folks who may keep up on the news but aren’t overtly partisan, the consensus in both Europe as well as in North America, certainly seems to be that Israel is there to stay….”

      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/scandipope#sthash.0saGskkF.dpuf

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius on April 18, 2015, 1:56 pm

      You’re right. You haven’t travelled much. You also haven’t read much, nor have you conversed much with anyone outside your Ziobubble. Nobody I know of in the pro-Palestine community believes in a ‘two state solution’. Even if they felt that were a desirable outcome, they know that Israel’s insatiable greed for land has rendered that impossible.

      And Israel does not have a ‘right to exist’. Neither does the UK, or Iceland, or Burkina Faso, or any other state. Nation states exist until they no longer do. Israel wasn’t around 70 years ago. It’s entirely possible that it will not be around 70 years from now. It’s almost comical how Israelists think that having existed for a paltry 3 generations – when circumstances have been almost entirely favourable to them – somehow guarantees Israel’s future. Nation states have existed for much longer and still been confined to the dustbins of history. The same, sooner or later, will be true for Israel. It’s a matter of when, not if.

    • Shingo on April 18, 2015, 8:30 pm

      In the case of Israel, it has both. And in fact it’s looking more secure than ever. It has close ties with two of its close neighbors, the only neighbour still hostile to it has devolved into a handful of warring sheikdoms.

      As was the plan all along. As for Israel, its demise will not come from external factors, but from the decay from within. As Reuven Rivlin said, Israel is a very sick society.

      No such situation is likely to happen in Israel, which despite its turbulent politics has a high degree of internal cohesion. (Inside of the 67 borders).

      Except that it people with any intellect or education are leaving in droves, leaving behind the religious nut jobs.

  21. oldgeezer on April 20, 2015, 2:09 am

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