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  1. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    July 14, 2015, 1:22 am

    I don’t trust Iran either. Who can say that if the United States had played its cards a little wiser, it could not have gotten a deal that was 20% better. My often stated opinion: if in the aftermath of 9/11 the united states had focused its attention on the iranian nuke program rather than iraq, the nuclear deal could have been 500% better.

    it seems to me that a veto proof rejection of this pact by the US congress is the next thing on the agenda. i wonder if netanyahu’s overheated rhetoric and tweets will be the key to winning such a rejection. I do not expect netanyahu to win.

    a rejection by congress would be interesting. democratic party dynamics alone would be worth the price of admission. how would iran react? wouldn’t the other countries of the world be enough to give Iran cause to just write off the US and proceed with the pact as if fulfilled by all sides? I would think so. the pact will end the international isolation of iran, even if the US congress keeps the US out of the rapprochement.

    • Fred Garvin
      Fred Garvin
      July 14, 2015, 11:07 am

      Q: What did Iran have to do with 11 Sept?

      A: No more than Iraq had. Meaning, nothing.

      You attempt at linkage is just plain wrong.

    • July 14, 2015, 12:08 pm

      Let me see if I have this straight, Yonah.

      We need to drive a harder bargain with Iran over their, as all intelligence agencies in the USA agree, NON-EXISTENT nuclear weapons program? You know, the one that, although it does not exist, has caused the USA to put draconian sanctions on Iran. A nation that has never in my lifetime attacked a single other nation.

      And this needs to be done for the benefit of Israel, which for some reason is an American responsibility. You know, Israel, the nation that does have an undeclared and uninspected stockpile of probably around 200 nukes. A program, by the way, built on both raw material and technology stolen from the NUMEC Plant in PA in the 1960s by Zalman Shapiro and other like minded “American” Jews (all this is fact per public records) against the expressed desire of the American president for a nuclear free Middle East. Israel, a nation that, unlike Iran, has been attacking, invading, and occupying its neighbors (as well as meddling in their internal affairs to create failed states) my entire lifetime.

      Have I got that right?

      • lysias
        lysias
        July 14, 2015, 12:14 pm

        against the expressed desire of the American president for a nuclear free Middle East.

        LBJ may have said that he wanted a nuclear-free Middle East, and he probably didn’t want to go on record within the U.S. government as having reversed JFK’s policy, but I think his actions show that he was secretly in favor of the Israeli nukes program and deliberately turned a blind eye to the theft.

        By the way, I think Obama made brilliant use of the fact that the sanctions all depended, supposedly (and this is stated in the UN resolutions), on Iran’s hypothesized nukes program. So, by finding a way to eliminate this supposed threat (which was probably no real threat,) he deprived the sanctions of their justification.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      July 14, 2015, 12:23 pm

      As if Iran should trust us? Overthrew a democratically leader in the 50’s. Supported Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war. Repeated false claims about their nuclear program. No reason for Iran to trust us either

      • July 14, 2015, 12:56 pm

        “LBJ may have said that he wanted a nuclear-free Middle East, and he probably didn’t want to go on record within the U.S. government as having reversed JFK’s policy, but I think his actions show that he was secretly in favor of the Israeli nukes program and deliberately turned a blind eye to the theft.”

        Why in God’s name would LBJ be in favor of Israel having nukes? I would guess for the same reason he was “in favor” of Israel attacking the USS Liberty. Political reasons related to the power of the Israel Lobby.

    • Bubba
      Bubba
      July 14, 2015, 2:52 pm

      Under that logic (or lack thereof) the US should have also focused on the nuke programs of North Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, South Africa, and other God knows how many others. Is the US the World Cop?

      You also forget this is not a US/Iran deal. There were also a number of other countries at the table. Don’t their voices count also? Or, are they just summarily dismissed by your logic?

      • July 14, 2015, 3:39 pm

        Actually, even the president and the congress have no real say. Those actually making the decision on sanctioning Iran are the Zionist Jews within the Treasury Dept. They have the ultimate power and in no way will allow the sanctions to lapse.

        The following was from earlier Mondoweiss postings (I cannot take credit for the solid research).

        For over a decade, Treasury’s Office of Foreign Asset Control and its Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence have been an arm of the Government of Israel in all but name. These are the entities that designate the “terrorists” and write all the asset-snatching regulations. In these positions, these people used the enormous resources of US financial supervision and enforcement power to “cripple” Iran’s economy for the sake of Zionism and to the irreparable harm of US (non-Jewish) business interests and the American people generally, for whom US government enmity toward Iran and Palestine is economically and cultural deleterious, utterly unnecessary, and plain stupid. Here’s just a partial list of “leadership” and top apparatchiks in these corrupted agencies over the past decade-plus: David S. Cohen Stuart Levey Daniel L. Glaser Adam J. Szubin Matthew Epstein Howard Mendelsohn Jonathan Schanzer Matthew Levitt Robert Werner Notice any…pattern? A goy would have better luck becoming top Rebbe in Chabad Lubavitch than getting a job at OFAC or OTFI. Weiss mentions the quote from Nathan Lewin, one of Zionism’s leading legal hacks, about Levey. Levey and Cohen were two of Nate’s boys at the former Miller Cassidy law firm back in the 1990s. After Levey got through ruining the financial well-being of millions of decent Persian people as a US government official, he went to be chief counsel at HSBC where he, along with Werner, a former head of OFAC, promptly set about closing scores of accounts of Muslim charities, including the largest in the UK, all the while overseeing the transfer of HSBC’s drug money laundering operations from London (where it had been busted) to its private banking group in Zurich. The clutch of Zionist elite in control at Treasury cannot be touched. Try it, no matter who you are, and they will burn you. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/requirement-treasury-appears#sthash.RCqFi1ZK.dpuf

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 14, 2015, 4:18 pm

      “I don’t trust Iran either. Who can say that if the United States had played its cards a little wiser, it could not have gotten a deal that was 20% better. “YF

      Follow the link provided and tell us how you would get another 20% out of the deal.

      Take your time.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/opinion/an-iran-nuclear-deal-that-reduces-the-chance-of-war.html?_r=0

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 14, 2015, 4:31 pm

        In addition to the above post.

        Read the comments section.The first thirty are circa 15 to 1 in favour of the deal.And this is the NYT.

        The “Times ” they are a changing.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 14, 2015, 4:49 pm

        amigo- If there is a rigorous round of inspections for 10 years, a 20% improvement would have rigorous inspections for 12 years. if arms embargo persists for 5 years, a 20% improvement would have it persist for 6 years. If a ballistic missile technology embargo is in place for 8 years, a 20% improvement would have it in place for 9.6 years.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 14, 2015, 5:12 pm

        “amigo- If there is a rigorous round of inspections for 10 years, a 20% improvement would have rigorous inspections for 12 years. if arms embargo persists for 5 years, a 20% improvement would have it persist for 6 years. If a ballistic missile technology embargo is in place for 8 years, a 20% improvement would have it in place for 9.6 years. “yonah.

        And Nietanyahu would be on board, right Yonah.

        I find it more useful to deal in facts rather than hastily constructed figures.

        You obviously did not read the article, otherwise you would not have responded as you did.

      • eGuard
        eGuard
        July 14, 2015, 6:47 pm

        Few NYT comments mention “Now it’s time for Israel to join the NPT”. But more candid, a lot of comments say: “Israel wants war, and won’t get their way”. Good.

      • lysias
        lysias
        July 14, 2015, 7:08 pm

        Comments on Washington Post site are also overwhelmingly pro-deal.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      July 14, 2015, 11:47 pm

      yonah fredman
      I just finsihed watching Charlie Rose and Mr Rhodes from Obama cabinet ( he is on Natl security )
      He informed Rose during the discussion ” Iran currrently do’nt ahve a nuclear weaponization program” .

      Why should anybody trust US when it has been accusing Iran of exactly of this activity and has been busy tighetning and imposing sanctions for last 10 yrs ?

    • ziusudra
      ziusudra
      July 15, 2015, 6:22 am

      Re.: jonah fredman,
      There’s still hope for Bibi.
      Congress will vote,
      Pres. Obama will Veto,
      if in the 2nd vote Congress
      gets a2/3rds majority; Obama
      loses.
      ziusudra
      PS aipac must bring in de shekels
      on a big scale to pay everybody off,
      the sky is falling.
      PSS But wait again, Congress can only keep
      sanctions on US goods. The rest of world
      needn’t oblige. The US looses out on luscious
      contracts.

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 15, 2015, 9:10 am

      Just because you can post a comment, doesn’t mean you should.

      • just
        just
        July 15, 2015, 10:28 am

        +100!!!

        Give that man a cigar! Here’s one, CG~ a lowly Macanudo, but it’s given in good faith and more!

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 15, 2015, 10:38 am

        ;-) X 100

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 15, 2015, 11:13 am

      “I don’t trust Iran either.”

      Yonah, believe me, I understand why. Considering what was done to you, you have very little reason to trust anybody. I wish there was some way to help you.

  2. johneill
    johneill
    July 14, 2015, 2:08 am

    “Few times saudi arabia and israel on same page. Both hate iran nuc deal. But is it worth a chance? An analyst today told me yes, it is.”
    And what does isis think of the deal? I can’t imagine they like America discussing a way to empower Iran – which, unlike Israel, is fighting them. Israel isis and the house of saud agree: diplomacy could upend the status quo.

  3. WH
    WH
    July 14, 2015, 3:25 am

    ‘Giving it hundreds of billions of dollars’ – of its own money, withheld through criminal sanctions! And no surprise at HP’s response, considering they supply the occupation with technology.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    July 14, 2015, 4:37 am

    Oh dear , oh dear, nietanyahu,s biggest fear may have just come to haunt him.

    “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said at a recent meeting of the security cabinet that if a comprehensive nuclear agreement between Iran and the six world powers is indeed signed by the June 30 deadline, the greatest concern is that Tehran will fully implement it without violations, two senior Israeli officials said. ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.651350

  5. ritzl
    ritzl
    July 14, 2015, 4:53 am

    Fingers crossed. Toes too!

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 14, 2015, 5:07 am

      Ritzl. agreed but it is now 10 am in Ireland and the meeting to ratify the agreement in Vienna is under way.

      Clearly the problems will arrive later as congress critters and the zionist,s will strive to f–k it up. Obama can override any congressional attempt to stymie it and from what I hear on AJ and BBC , it is unlikely the congress can come up with the 2/3 majority to kill it.

      Yep, early days yet but Israel is going to be most unhappy , which makes me happy.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        July 14, 2015, 6:13 am

        Yep. It’s gonna be a giant WWF (World Wrestling Federation) “Cage Match of the Century” of a political fight.

        I think the military swings behind it, out of sense and practicality as well as duty. In my military town, people/military families are pretty tired of the endless asks in support of perpetual war. Bone weary, tbh.

        My theory is that our Senator Shelby, Chairman of the full Senate Appropriations Committee, gives opposition to the deal some lip service and then moves on to new issues and opportunitie$ much more beneficial to local biz interests than the Operations budgets for war readiness have been. IOW does the generally right thing for mostly the wrong reasons.

        I could be, and often am, wildly wrong, but I just get th he sense locally ths this deal is a prime, face-saving, political pivot point on war issues for the more practical DC pols. The ideologues are another matter.

        TBC/D.

      • Fred Garvin
        Fred Garvin
        July 14, 2015, 1:31 pm

        My spidey sense sez that the best political outcome for the GOP is for them to pass an angry and bombastic–but nonbinding–resolution condemning the agreement, or perhaps an explicit rejection certain to be vetoed successfully by Pres Obama. The GOP could then make all sorts of political hay during the presidential campaign, without having to take any responsibility for the war that would likely result from the absence of an agreement.

        For Obama to get this deal done–with Congress unable to nix it–will to my mind make it more likely that his successor will be a Republican.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        July 14, 2015, 4:52 pm

        @Fred Garvin- I think whether this aids the deal’s opponents (GOP/paid-for Israel supporters) or not is largely dependent on whether, in 18 months’ time, it is viewed as bad by US voters.

        That is certainly a possibility, maybe even probability. Arguing against that is that it IS, fundamentally, a good and welcome deal/change for the people that send their kids off to war and biz interests slavering at the Iranian market, and a military stretched very thin. The ingredients of its success and voter appeal are built-in.

        Also, the majority of voters already support this, so, imho, in 2016, unless the Lobby pulls out all the stops, it is likely to be a non-issue for all but a few loonies who by that time will likely (imho) come to be correctly viewed by voters AS loonies (who would send OPKs, but not their own kids, off to fight and die for nothing).

        Another indicator from my recent conversations with family conservatives is the realization that college tuition (Ohio State) is getting out of reach but yet we have $Ts to spend on endless war. People are starting to connect the broader dots and relating the corrupt picture to the lack of attention to their own very reasonable self-interest.

        But who knows. Media leverage and the sheeple factors can’t be underestimated.

      • Fred Garvin
        Fred Garvin
        July 14, 2015, 5:42 pm

        Re. the American voter: They may be convinced that Obama, and by extension the Democrats, showed weakness in policy and deserted an ally. False, of course. They will fail to see that what the GOP is presenting as an alternative, at least implicitly, is the ideal agreement that an infinitely powerful country could get. Read Peter Beinart’s Atlantic piece today.

        Mencken was right about the electorate.

  6. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 14, 2015, 5:32 am

    The ABC is announcing the deal as done.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-14/iran-major-powers-reach-historic-nuclear-deal/6619622

    This is really bad news. No carpet bombing, no total destruction of Iran, and a lifting of sanctions. Only those lacking spite and vindictiveness could think this is a good thing.

  7. justicewillprevail
    justicewillprevail
    July 14, 2015, 5:58 am

    So is Iran allowed to make cartoons about Acme bombs now, just as Yahoo predicted?

  8. amigo
    amigo
    July 14, 2015, 7:11 am

    Nietanyahu, Bennett and Yaalon already spewing anti deal rhetoric.

    http://www.jpost.com/

  9. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 14, 2015, 7:27 am

    Now 21:23 Eastern Australian Time. ABC news channel has a live link to Teheran, showing Rouhani speaking to the Iranian people, with translation. He is saying the agreement is a win win.

    • just
      just
      July 14, 2015, 4:37 pm

      Rouhani is correct, of course. A win win all around the world.

      • catalan
        catalan
        July 14, 2015, 4:59 pm

        “Rouhani is correct, of course. A win win all around the world. -”
        Absolutely. I have always wanted to visit Tehran, enjoy the rich culture, get a delicious falafel and then while having desert observe a man being slowly hanged without his neck breaking so that show can last longer. What other city provides such entertainment? Bread and circus on steroids.
        Then in the evening, I don’t have to bother myself looking for a bad comedy, instead you are guaranteed an hour long sermon by a supreme leader. Facebook, yahoo, Twitter, they are a waste of time anyway, so I wouldn’t miss them during this visit. The museum of the martyrs is much more interesting.
        May we all become more like Iran!

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 5:14 pm

        Quelle surprise!

        I’m sure Tehran will do dandy without you visiting, catalan.

        You’re abysmally uninformed, wildly egocentric and exceedingly tiresome.

        I’ll bet you’ve never visited Iran.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 14, 2015, 5:36 pm

        “I have always wanted to visit Tehran, enjoy the rich culture, get a delicious falafel and then while having desert observe a man being slowly hanged without his neck breaking so that show can last longer. What other city provides such entertainment” catalan

        You could try Tel Aviv , where you can sit on your deck and sip wine while you watch the fireworks.If you are really lucky , you just might catch the kids on Gaza,s beach running as they are blown to pieces by the brave IAF stunt men who risk their very lives to put on a show for the “folks on the hill”.

        Yep , if you are into ghoulish entertainment , then TA is the place for you.Guaranteed to satisfy your every need.

        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 14, 2015, 6:08 pm

        “Abysmally uninformed”

        Well, what do you say to a “delicious fallafel in Teheran”

        Right.
        At this level of crass ignorance, this bot is too unlikely to be a Bulgarian immigrated at adult age –too clueless. The almost-typical fallafel mania points to a probable illegal invader living in Palestine.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 14, 2015, 7:11 pm

        @catalan

        If you are more activity orientated then Israeli border guards are known to pass around their weapons loaded with live ammo so you can use defenseless Palestinian youth for target practice. I dont know if there is a kewpie doll when you murder one but the standard routine is to deny and lie provided you dont get filmed killing your target.

        Ah Israel. As backward as Iran may be, Israel is no better.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 7:39 pm

        They eat falafel in iran?

        My wife bought some Iranian dates yesterday. Delicious.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 7:41 pm

        With all due respect my friend, Iran is really not “backward”.

        Perhaps another word?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 14, 2015, 7:50 pm

        @just

        I will rely on the words ‘may be’ and the fact that the statement is rhetorical and not a judgement. :)

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 7:54 pm

        But of course, oldgeezer. :-)

      • catalan
        catalan
        July 14, 2015, 8:03 pm

        “At this level of crass ignorance,” echinococcus
        Google public hanging in Tehran. The videos speak for themselves.
        As to your comment that I am not a Bulgarian living in the U.S., it speaks of jealously. You are envious that I have a job in the U.S. government and am fluent in English. Whereas your knowledge of Bulgaria is, well, zilch. Piotr here can tell I am Bulgarian. Eastern Europeans have that kind of radar.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 10:16 pm

        Too rich!

      • otc
        otc
        July 14, 2015, 10:57 pm

        @RoHa
        “They eat Falafel in iran?”

        If you are interested in learning more about the Falafel of Iran. this PressTV promotional video , may be of interest.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 15, 2015, 3:23 am

        Mr Catalan,

        I only said unlikely, not impossible. A particularly clueless Bulgarian could be like you, of course. The US being a free country all unlikely things remain possible.

      • Keith
        Keith
        July 15, 2015, 9:47 am

        CATALAN- “I have always wanted to visit Tehran, enjoy the rich culture, get a delicious falafel and then while having desert observe a man being slowly hanged without his neck breaking so that show can last longer.”

        I’ll just bet that if the Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza Ghetto lived in the same conditions as the Iranians, they would think that they had died and gone to heaven, even with the sanctions! You, on the other hand, probably miss the conditions under the Shah (which Israel supported), what with the Savak (secret police trained by Israel) and all. By the way, what percent of the Iranian population is in prison versus the US?

        CATALAN- “What other city provides such entertainment?”

        How about Albuquerque and Indian rolling?
        http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/09/police-violence-against-native-people/

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2015, 10:59 am

        “At this level of crass ignorance, this bot is too unlikely to be a Bulgarian immigrated at adult age –too clueless.”

        “Although he may have studied with an expert dialectician and grammarian, I can tell that “Catalan” was born- Bulgarian! And of Royal blood. He is a Prince!”

    • annie
      annie
      July 14, 2015, 5:29 pm

      descending into the macabre catalan? enjoy this:

      • annie
        annie
        July 14, 2015, 5:31 pm

        and here’s from earlier:

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 5:34 pm

        ;-)))))

        Thanks Annie!!! Woo- hoo!

      • gamal
        gamal
        July 14, 2015, 6:14 pm

        while there’s probably no wrong time for Bandari, now would seem to be an appropriate moment

        https://youtu.be/UUpKf7Hn3iU

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 6:29 pm

        Thanks, gamal!

        Beautiful dance, beautiful music.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 7:37 pm

        Girls waggling their bottoms isn’t against Islamic principles, it seems.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2015, 11:03 am

        “Girls waggling their bottoms isn’t against Islamic principles, it seems.”

        RoHa, “that brave vibration each way free” is a universal ecumenical principle. Don’t knock it.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 15, 2015, 7:30 pm

        My previous comment was certainly not intended as any sort of complaint or criticism. Quite the contrary.

  10. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 14, 2015, 8:11 am

    Lindsey Graham was just on MSNBC, telling us it’s a bad deal after saying he had not read it yet–80 pages. He says anyone who has visited the Middle East even once knows it’s a bad deal.

    • lysias
      lysias
      July 14, 2015, 11:01 am

      Graham is running for the GOP presidential nomination.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 14, 2015, 11:48 am

      His ignorance and prejudice shows. Only an idiot would venture to give strong opinions without knowing ALL the facts. Graham was simply parroting the Netanyahu war mongering.

    • Penfold
      Penfold
      July 14, 2015, 7:58 pm

      Hang on a sec I have been to the Middle East and I haven’t read the deal so I have no idea whether it is a good or a bad one but I am assuming it is a deal everyone can live with or it would not have been signed.

      On the whole I hope this normalises Iran’s relations with the world as it is a country I would love to visit one day.

  11. just
    just
    July 14, 2015, 8:38 am

    Thanks so much, Phil.

    Why are so many people opposed to diplomacy and rapprochement?

    Why do so many people prefer war and punishing sanctions that make no sense? It’s a terrible reflection on the segment of the ‘human’ race that seems to prefer inflicting pain and death on millions of innocents rather than finding common ground.

    Many hate the normalization of relations with Cuba, too. If the status quo is what they prefer, we are doomed.

    Hurrah for Kerry and Zarif and all those dedicated to a new way forward! Hurrah for the Iranian people! Ramadan Mubarak!!!

    Let Israel and Congress fume and froth. Take note of those that vote against the deal, and vote ’em out! Let the lobby waste their energy and millions of dollars on this instead of on things that would actually help people.

    Sanction those that deserve sanctions (Israel…). Make a foreign policy that makes sense and is not characterized by legendary hypocrisy.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 14, 2015, 9:19 am

      There is a funny cartoon of Bibi showing his wile e coyote bomb blowing up on his face.
      He has got quite a few jabs in the twitter world. So well deserved. Heh.

      • Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        July 14, 2015, 10:16 am

        @ Kay24, that is hilarious! Wish you could provide us the links. We will have a kinder and gentler Middle East on the day Satanyahu hit the bucket.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 14, 2015, 11:17 am

        Sorry Mahmoud El-Yousseph, I think I saw that hilarious cartoon on France 24 and their coverage of this deal. I also saw a couple of tweets from the Iranian leaders mocking the Booby man, saying “sorry, we have a deal”. Bibi is getting a few kicks on his behind.
        Shame the Congress people who are echoing his negativity and wanting war with Iran, look like idiots too.

      • RockyMissouri
        RockyMissouri
        July 14, 2015, 11:46 am

        Apropos !

      • Qualtrough
        Qualtrough
        July 14, 2015, 12:10 pm

        Kay24 – You can find the cartoon if you scroll down this Times of Israel article:

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-spoofs-bibis-un-bomb-scare/

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 15, 2015, 1:18 am

        Thanks Qualtrough, but it was a different one. It showed the same picture of Booby man and bomb, but his face was covered with soot, as if the bomb backfired. Good one.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      July 14, 2015, 12:00 pm

      “Why do so many people prefer war and punishing sanctions that make no sense? It’s a terrible reflection on the segment of the ‘human’ race that seems to prefer inflicting pain and death on millions of innocents rather than finding common ground.”

      Well, North Korea might be one reason. That was the last time we signed an historic deal to limit a country’s nuclear program. I don’t think anyone would call it a success.

      • John O
        John O
        July 14, 2015, 12:23 pm

        Well, is it a reason or isn’t it?

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 14, 2015, 12:39 pm

        || hophmi: “Why do so many people prefer war and punishing sanctions that make no sense? It’s a terrible reflection on the segment of the ‘human’ race that seems to prefer inflicting pain and death on millions of innocents rather than finding common ground.”

        Well, North Korea might be one reason. That was the last time we signed an historic deal to limit a country’s nuclear program. I don’t think anyone would call it a success. ||

        So…because North Korea has nukes – which it does not use in the course of not stealing, occupying and colonizing land outside of its borders – Western nations are entitled to wage war and apply punishing sanctions against Iran, which does not have nukes and does not steal, occupy and colonize land outside of its borders.

        But for some reason, Western nations are not entitled to wage war and apply punishing sanctions against Israel, despite the fact that Israel has lots of nukes AND has been stealing, occupying and colonizing land outside of its (Partition) borders for almost 70 years.

        Funny how that works. I think the word for it is: hypocrisy.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 14, 2015, 3:35 pm

        Miracle. Hophmi is right!

        It doesn’t make sense to try to reason and curb the nuclear aggressivity of some country like North Korea over which the US has no means to bring pressure!

        That pressure would be wildly successful instead with the most dangerous of the nuclear-armed states: Israel.

        All we have to do is say boo, turn off the money tap and drop the Shitty Little State like a hot potato in international politics.

        So let’s see how committed the US is.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        July 14, 2015, 4:12 pm

        I think it’s certainly one reason people might prefer a tougher line on Iran. The President would probably say that for America, there’s no great risk that even if the agreement fails, that Iran would threaten US national security, so this is worth a try. Unfortunately, that’s little solace to US allies in the region for whom Iran definitely is a national security threat.

        People here have always liked the Iranian regime. They repost articles from Iranian state press, see Iran as a viable enemy of Israel, and so on. The antisemitism of the regime, its killing of Jews abroad, funding of terrorist organizations, etc – it doesn’t matter to them because Iran opposes Israel. Enemy of my enemy and all that. People here very much want Death to Israel in the way they interpret the Iranian to mean it – by removing the Zionists.

        Why that entails repeating Iranian propaganda about how Iran is super-peaceful and not pursuing nukes in the way fellow travelers used to repeat Pravda, I don’t know.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 14, 2015, 5:24 pm

        “The antisemitism of the regime, its killing of Jews abroad, funding of terrorist organizations, etc.”

        Hophmi, all that is, of course, such common knowledge it needs no verification, but do you have a single cite or link to substantiate that “etc.”?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 7:43 pm

        “North Korea has nukes”

        I haven’t been keeping up with the NK issue, but I thought NK had one nuke.
        And then they blew it up.

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia
        July 14, 2015, 11:43 pm

        NK-US deal was holding tight until Bush made a mess .NK went nuclear after Bush started reneging on what was already agreed between Clinton and NK.

  12. eljay
    eljay
    July 14, 2015, 8:41 am

    || just: Why are so many people opposed to diplomacy and rapprochement? Why do so many people prefer war and punishing sanctions that make no sense? It’s a terrible reflection on the segment of the ‘human’ race that seems to prefer inflicting pain and death on millions of innocents rather than finding common ground. … ||

    I agree.

    • Mahmoud El-Yousseph
      Mahmoud El-Yousseph
      July 14, 2015, 12:02 pm

      First, Thank you Phil Weiss and Allison for excellent reporting.
      Secondly, to answer Kay24 & eljay questions about those warmongers and puppets who oppose to a nuclear deal with Iran, I wrote this published letter few weeks ago.

      Maybe senators should give N. Korea a try – The Delaware …

      http://www.delgazette.com/…/Maybe-senators-should-give-N.-Korea-a-try

      The Delaware Gazette on Facebook ; … Maybe senators should give N. Korea a try. … Mahmoud El-Yousseph. Westerville. YOUR VIEW. Contribute.

      Few days ago a 47 disloyal Republican Senators signed an open letter to Iran over the nuclear negotiation expressi ng their strong objection to US president policy and to any mutual agreement signed by him during his tenure. If undermining your president ability to conduct official business is not a treason, I do not know what is.

      Why don’t these Senators get out of the U.S. if they can’t be loyal citizens and put America’ s interest first instead of the interest of their campaign contributors?

      Perhaps North Korea would be to their liking. North Korean leader Kim Jong Un would be happy to teach them a lesson about disloyalty and treason by having them thrown into a cage filled with starving dogs and eaten alive.

      Mahmoud El-Yousseph
      Retired USAF Veteran

    • jon s
      jon s
      July 15, 2015, 4:23 pm

      In mentioning Iran’s killing of Jews abroad, Hophmi is probably referring to the bombing of the AMIA Jewish community center in Buenos Aires in 1994, in which 87 people were killed. It’s considered the single bloodiest anti-Semitic incident since the Holocaust.

      • annie
        annie
        July 15, 2015, 4:26 pm

        20 years ago and only allegedly by iran. is that it?

        by those standards lets view how many people america killed. whose the terrorist?

  13. NickJOCW
    NickJOCW
    July 14, 2015, 9:07 am

    The real urgency for such a deal has long been the geopolitical considerations, which some see has having been coming to a head with the recent rapport between Russia and China, and all that BRICS, SCO, Eurasian Economic Union stuff. Specifically, where a persistently sanctioned Iran might head as all that unfolds towards significant economic activities insulated from the petrodollar. None of this has much to do with Israel except in so far as its influence over such concerns is more or less non-existent, and its hitherto symbiotic relationship with US foreign policy wanes towards the parasitical. Netanyahu’s response might be seen as that of a seasoned mistress whose lover’s interest is straying to pastures new,

    • lonely rico
      lonely rico
      July 14, 2015, 12:59 pm

      > NickJOCW

      Israel … and its hitherto symbiotic relationship with US foreign policy wanes towards the parasitical.

      Wanes ?

      Has the relationship ever been other than parasitical ?

  14. michelle
    michelle
    July 14, 2015, 10:10 am

    .
    so who’s ready for a much more peaceful Middle East
    this will help so many people in so many ways all over the world
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  15. Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    July 14, 2015, 10:12 am

    Just for the record, Israel is reported to possess up to 300 nuclear missiles aimed at Arab and European capitals. Some can even hit US cities.Iran has no such weapons and has repeatedly said it does not wish to have them, this being in contravention of basic Islamic principles.

    According to polls conducted in Western European countries about which countries poses threat to world peace, most Europeans picked up Israel as # 1, not Iran or North Korea.

    P.M. Satanyahu should put it rest and abide by the rules of civilized nation instead of being the bully of the Middle East.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      July 14, 2015, 12:02 pm

      “Just for the record, Israel is reported to possess up to 300 nuclear missiles aimed at Arab and European capitals.”

      Source for the claim that these weapons are “aimed at Arab and European capitals”, please.

      There’s a lot that Iran does in contravention of Islamic principles, like putting innocent people to death because of their sexual orientation, arresting journalists, jailing dissidents, denying the Holocaust, killing Jews abroad, funding terrorist organizations, etc. So no one should buy that malarkey.

      • Qualtrough
        Qualtrough
        July 14, 2015, 12:17 pm

        Hopfmi – Seriously, you have never heard of Israel’s Samson Option??

        You will find the source here:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option#Deterrence_doctrine
        http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/21/israelandthepalestinians.bookextracts

        “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.”

        I look foward to you letting us know about how Martin van Creveld is some fringe nut case and that we should pay him no mind. Last I heard he was teaching in the Tel Aviv University Securities Studies Program.

        I don’t know about you, but I give a lot more credence to threats backed by a country with hundreds of nukes than I do to threats backed by a country with zero.

        Israel is a clear and present danger to the security of the USA and the sooner our leaders realize that the better.

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 14, 2015, 12:43 pm

        “Source for the claim that these weapons are “aimed at Arab and European capitals”, hopknee

        Glad to see you do not deny Israel ahs 300 nukes in it,s arsenal.I thought it was only 200 , so thanks for the clarification.

        Allow me to try a common zionist trick??.

        Do you have any links proving they are not aimed Arab and European Capitals.

      • lysias
        lysias
        July 14, 2015, 12:48 pm

        Wkipedia: Samson Option:

        In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel’s existence.[29] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

        We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[30]

      • Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        July 14, 2015, 1:06 pm

        @ hophmi, here is the confession by an Israeli professor and military historian, professor Martin Van Grevel.
        http://rense.com/general34/esde.htm

        Next time before you cast doubt on other people honesty and interiority, please do your homework. I see other distinguished commenters on this page have already provided you with more links to back up my claim.

        An apology in order! Thank you.

      • July 14, 2015, 1:14 pm

        Denying the Holocaust? Hell, we need to go to war over that, don’t we? We need to kill anyone who does not fully accept the official Holocaust narrative. Or anyone that dares asks the question as to why the Palestinians should pay the price for what the Nazis did in Europe.

        “..killing Jews abroad”. I got to admit, this one caught me off guard. Who are these Jews that Iran is apparently killing in some numbers abroad? I have no clue. I am guessing that because it is claimed that Iran helps Hezzbollah and/or Hamas with money and/or weapons (I don’t know if this is true or not), and each of those orgs have killed IDFers who have attacked Lebanon and Gaza, one can conclude that “Iran is…killing Jews abroad”. Or at least has killed some. Not sure that this is a good reason to attack Iran, however.

      • Fred Garvin
        Fred Garvin
        July 14, 2015, 1:14 pm

        And you can get the whole bloody Sy Hersh book The Samson Option on the Wayback Machine:

        https://archive.org/stream/Sampson_Option#page/n5/mode/2up

      • Kris
        Kris
        July 14, 2015, 3:39 pm

        @hophmi: “There’s a lot that Iran does in contravention of Islamic principles, like putting innocent people to death because of their sexual orientation, arresting journalists, jailing dissidents, denying the Holocaust, killing Jews abroad, funding terrorist organizations, etc. ”

        Yes, Iran is very intolerant of homosexuality and has executed homosexuals. But maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

        There’s a lot that Israel does in contravention of “Jewish” principles, like shooting kids in the back and killing whole families, assassinating journalists, jailing dissidents, denying the Nakba, killing anyone they want to abroad, funding terrorist organizations, stealing, lying, worshipping military power, etc., etc., etc.

        (I put “Jewish” in quotes because I mean principles of Judaism, not principles of the racist ideology known as Zionism.)

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 14, 2015, 5:27 pm

        ” killing Jews abroad, funding terrorist organizations, etc.”

        Hophmi, Im telling you, you will be expected to substantiate the charge of “etc” with a link or cite. Where, and when, did Iran do “etc”?

      • John O
        John O
        July 14, 2015, 6:13 pm

        “Where, and when, did Iran do “etc”?”

        Thank you, Sir Moose. I laughed out loud and sprayed my sundowner all over the keyboard.

      • justicewillprevail
        justicewillprevail
        July 14, 2015, 6:28 pm

        C’mon Moose, Hop doesn’t do sources. He doesn’t need to. He read it in his Big Book of Indisputable Scary Iran Facts, by BB Yahoo, illustrations by Acme. All kindergartens get a free copy.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 7:26 pm

        “denying the Holocaust”

        My copy of the Qur’an must be incomplete. I can’t find anything about the Holocaust in there at all. Nor can I find anything forbidding believers from questioning historical claims.

        Perhaps Gamal, who clearly knows a good deal about this sort of thing, can help me to find out how denying the Holocaust is against Islamic principles.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 7:37 pm

        OK~ my sides are splitting now!

        (must. catch. breath.)

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 15, 2015, 4:08 am

        Well there’s always the Saudis, so much more enlightened and best buds with the US, right? As 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals, that doesn’t speak highly of the Saudi-American friendship at all. Chop-chop square and all. But the US has the death penalty and in Texas they’re especially death penalty crazy. I don’t buy all the fear-mongering regarding Iran. The Iranian people seem to want everything other people want. They don’t hate Jews as policy, some may, but so what? We all can’t be loved, its just not possible or rational to even expect that, unless you’re Abe Foxman. They’re maybe not too crazy about the zionist state or it’s king, but who is? Oh.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        July 15, 2015, 1:18 pm

        “hophmi, here is the confession by an Israeli professor and military historian, professor Martin Van Grevel.”

        It’s Van Creveld, and you’re engaging in a distortion of what he said that has been well-documented by Richard Silverstein. Van Creveld was speaking hypothetically, and he certainly didn’t say that Israel actually aims weapons at European capitals; he said that Israel had weapons capable of reaching Europeans capitals.

        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2010/03/12/martin-van-creveld-victim-of-intellectual-fraud/

        Maybe you shouldn’t rely on Rense, a neo-Nazi Holocaust denial website, for your information. You appear to enamored of such sites. I see that you write for Deliberation, a website that regularly engages in Holocaust denial and all kinds of antisemitic invective.

  16. annie
    annie
    July 14, 2015, 10:14 am

    yeah!!!

    • just
      just
      July 14, 2015, 10:18 am

      You can say that again!!!

      Dancing here!

      • annie
        annie
        July 14, 2015, 10:23 am

        this is awesome. and the next 2 months should be fun to witness. americans want this deal.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 10:43 am

        I can’t stop grinning, Annie. It’s been a long time since I’ve trembled with joy about foreign policy.

        Good for President Obama~ the audacity of hope in action on this one. I can’t think of another US “leader” that would have ‘dared’ to do this.
        (I really mean that)

        Mr. Kerry deserves heaps of thanks, too.

        I do think this opens the door to a new way forward on Palestine and Israel… as Phil said this is an earthquake, and an earthquake is felt lots of places, and has aftershocks, too. ;-)) In this kind of earthquake, those may not be bad at all.

    • jon s
      jon s
      July 18, 2015, 12:30 pm

      “Rense” is where you can find out how the Jewish bankers rule the world and what a nice guy Hitler was.

  17. Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    July 14, 2015, 10:22 am

    Lets not forget that Israeli air and sea forces attacked the USS Liberty in international waters off the coast of Egypt for two hours on August 8, 1967. This took place on midsummer day with raised American flags and large English letters painted on the ship. 34 sailors were killed and 174 injured.

    On May 2012, the Iranian Navy foiled an attempted pirate attack on a US cargo ship in the Gulf of Oman. The Iranian warship arrived following a distress call from the ship. The pirates fled upon the arrival of the Iranian Naval ship. No thanks to IsraHell!

  18. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 14, 2015, 10:30 am

    Holy cow! MSNBC just interviewed somebody who actually told an American mainstream audience on that channel that Israel has a nuclear bomb stockpile! This is getting interesting…watching to see if Dick & Jane awake during the next quest for POTUS. Will they witness a discussion of US foreign aid to Israel? Will they witness discussion of the impact of US wars in the ME in behalf of Israel on domestic American poverty? Will Ike’s view of MIC be bandied about in mainstream media? Or Washington’s statement on “entangling foreign alliances”? God forbid! Or is that G-D forbid?

    • lysias
      lysias
      July 14, 2015, 11:05 am

      Walter Pincus, the reliable reporter of information provided by the U.S. military and intelligence communities, has said in a few of his recent columns in the Washington Post that Israel has nuclear weapons. This is authorized from the top.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      July 14, 2015, 11:32 am

      Washington Journal callers today were mostly support the deal. A real shift has been taking place. MSNBC The Cycle had Hillary Mann Leverett on yesterday (Monday) Tectonic shift taking place.

  19. Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    July 14, 2015, 10:47 am

    As a USMC veteran and activist, Dave Evans, succinctly pointed out in the past:

    “Anyone who had not sworn an oath for peace could reasonably conclude that the US should be threatening to attack Israel, not Iran!”

    It’s about time Americans did something to prove they were the Masters, not the Slaves.

    The capital of America is Washington, not Tel Aviv.

    P.M. Satanyahu, eat your heart out!

  20. Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    Mahmoud El-Yousseph
    July 14, 2015, 11:05 am

    Pour the wine & cut the cheese!

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 14, 2015, 2:06 pm

      || Mahmoud El-Yousseph: Pour the wine & cut the cheese! ||

      I agree with the sentiment, although I suggest slicing the cheese rather than cutting it. ;-)

      • zaid
        zaid
        July 14, 2015, 6:05 pm

        He meant it for Netanyaho

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        July 14, 2015, 8:21 pm

        >eljay

        … although I suggest slicing the cheese rather than cutting it.

        Amused to find nowhere in the definition (“release intestinal gas”) the good english word “fart”, which leads me onward to the thought that this english word well describes Mr. Netenyahoo, a R’edIG, an unpleasant reminder of past excesses, with the moral weight of of a fart.

        Fortunately for justice and peace, Canada may now snap back and close the embassy in Tel Aviv –

        uh, um …

        OK, been closed for several years, been there, done that.

        OK so don’t forget, Israel has every right to defend itself from an existential threat,
        and Israel has no greater friend than Harper,
        uh, Canada,

        and Iran should be very careful, could be no more maple syrup for the ayatollahs !

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        July 14, 2015, 8:29 pm

        >eljay

        … although I suggest slicing the cheese rather than cutting it.

        Amused to find nowhere in the definition (“release intestinal gas”) the good english word “fart”, which leads me onward to the thought that this english word well describes Mr. Netenyahoo, a R’edIG, an unpleasant reminder of past excesses, with the moral weight of of a fart.

        Fortunately for justice and peace, Canada may now snap back and close the embassy in Tel Aviv –

        uh, um …

        OK, been closed for several years, been there, done that.

        Don’t forget, Israel has every right to defend itself from an existential threat,
        and Israel has no greater friend than Harper, uh, Canada,

        and Iran should be very careful, no more maple syrup for the ayatollahs !

  21. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 14, 2015, 11:08 am

    ADL Abe Foxman on the Diane Rehm show right now. Talking about growing anti Semitism. Tuesday at 11. Call in. Leave messages on Diane Rehm website and their fb page. Phone number 1-800-433-8850

    My comment/question for Abe: “Why does your organization define those who work for peace in the Israel Palestine conflict by pushing for facts being aired in our mainstream media about the conflict being reported accurately as anti semites? Why have you slammed Professor Walt’s and Mearsheimers book on the Israel lobby as “anti semitic?’ Why has your group slammed Prof Finkelstein and others for wanting the facts about this conflict to come out ? I know there is real and dangerous anti Jewish nut cases out there. Your group appears to want to shut down all discussion about the real influence of the Israel lobby and the I/P conflict by defining all who work towards peace in this conflict as “anti semitic” A very dangerous, distorted and wide net based on false allegations.”

    I just got through during Pres Carter’s visit to the Rehm show last Thursday. Asked a question about the Iran deal towards the end of the program. So not going to try to get through. You can try. Millions listen to this program

    • lysias
      lysias
      July 14, 2015, 12:08 pm

      How did Jim Webb handle himself on Diane Rehm’s show? Did he have anything to say about the deal with Iran?

    • just
      just
      July 14, 2015, 2:38 pm

      Foxman was bloody awful, imho. I caught the first 1/2 and the first 2 pitiful questions… Diane let him rant on, unchallenged . He alleged that Muslims were killing Christians, Jews, Muslims, and everybody else… while Gaza was a terrible situation, everybody else is doing worse… antisemitism here, antisemitism there, antisemitism everywhere. Poor Jewish kids on campus… Called BDS boycott, delegitimization, sanctions, iirc. Yes, he defamed folks~ anybody but Israel and Jews.

      ugh.

      • ckg
        ckg
        July 14, 2015, 2:51 pm

        Diane let him rant on, unchallenged.

        CAMERA has her under a microscope now.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 15, 2015, 1:25 am

        That is typical hasbara tripe. This man is no American but an Israeli wolf in sheep clothing, whining and ranting about how mean the world is. He should be happy that American kids will not be shedding blood for yet another unnecessary war. Notice how good they are at inciting Americans claiming that Muslims are killing every one else. Strange he does not seem to realize that those Muslims are killing other Muslims MORE than others.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2015, 11:07 am

        “He alleged that Muslims were killing Christians, Jews, Muslims, and everybody else”

        He forgot all the “etc” that Muslims do. The world may forgive them for much, but the “etc” will live on in infamy.

        Hophmi knows all about it. He has some very specific and well-documented cases of “etc” all over the ME!

      • straightline
        straightline
        July 15, 2015, 11:48 am

        “Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it infamy!” Kenneth Williams in “Carry on Cleo”.

        Could be the Zionist motto.

  22. Fred Garvin
    Fred Garvin
    July 14, 2015, 11:17 am

    Carly Fiorina is a fine fool to talk about toughness in negotiations.

    People pillory her for her performance as CEO of Hewlett Packard. But she did even more damage to another F50 company when she was president of Lucent’s Global Service Providers business, which had revenues of $20 bn or more. Exhibit A is her 1999 deal with a tiny startup called PathNet, which she had Lucent finance to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.

    http://fortune.com/2010/10/15/carly-fiorinas-troubling-telecom-past/

    Fiorina’s negotiating position was nothing other than supine. She was in it for the hype and the publicity, not the substance. Such has been her career in business and politics.

  23. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 14, 2015, 11:35 am

    A huge thank you to President Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, Iranian President Rouhani, and Iran’s Foreign Minister Zarif for this historic deal! Regional and international peace move forward.

    We can continue to do our part by contacting our Reps many times in support of this constructive deal over the next 60 days. You can contact national radio programs (Diane Rehm, On Point) , CSpan’s Washington Journal in support of the deal. You can write letters to your local papers in support of the deal You can contact mainstream news outlets and ask them to have middle east experts Hillary Mann Leverett (MSNBC’s Melissa Harris Perry has had her on five times over the last year) and Flynt Leverett CNN has had both of them on) on their programs to educate the public based on facts. You can ask these outlets to have other experts on like former weapons inspector Scott Ritter, Prof Juan Cole (Informed Comment etc on their programs to help educate the public based on facts. You can link fact based information about the deal on other websites.

    Let’s keep working for peace by supporting this critically important P5+1 deal. Constructive tectonic shift taking place!

  24. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 14, 2015, 11:46 am

    Apparently Hillary and Bernie Sanders are also supporting this. Those who are strongly criticizing this are in the minority and definitely Bibi’s little puppets in the US. Are they so dumb they cannot realize they are on the wrong side of this amazing agreement, and that they are simply looking like war mongers?

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      July 14, 2015, 12:04 pm

      Hillary has been shifting on Iran. However don’t kid yourself she was part of the team pushing the unsubstantiated claims about Iran for over a decade. During the 2008 campaign and before she was all over the MSM repeating Iran has “nuclear weapons.” Not that they have a nuclear program which as signatories to the NPT they had the legal right to. Only over the last year has Hillary focused on the facts about Iran.

      Bernie on the other hand has always supported negotiations with Iran. Love it that Senator Sanders brought up his vote against the Iraq war and Hillary voting for on Sunday’s Meet the Press. He drew solid lines about the differences between his voting record and Hillary’s. Also his push to go after Wall Street.

  25. amigo
    amigo
    July 14, 2015, 12:03 pm

    Nietanyahu can put all the pressure (through the lobby) he cares to, on Congress but the rest of the nations who worked for this deal for so long ,will pay no heed to his bellicose rhetoric.

    French , German, Russian, Chinese , British and the rest of the EU nations will be only too glad to take the opportunity to do business with Iran and there is precious little the Congress can do about that.They may busy themselves passing laws that attempt to punish those who will not fall in line but that will be their,s and America,s loss.

    It is time to dump Israel and move on to more pressing matters such as ending US interference in Middle Eastern affairs and working towards a Nuclear free World and climate stabilization.

    Never have so many been fooled by so few for so long.

  26. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    July 14, 2015, 12:07 pm

    Who’s going to put Walt or Mearsheimer on to talk about the Israel Lobby? Chas Freeman, has your phone been ringing? Joe Walsh and Valerie Plame, what take do you have on the Neocons vs intelligence-based diplomacy? Will some Mainstream US journalism outlet report as Haaretz did that Netanyahu told his cabinet that his greatest fear is that Iran will get the agreement and comply with every term? [http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.651350] Will someone ask why the Likud Coalition regards an Iran compliant with this agreement as an existential threat? Will someone connect the dots between that view and Netanyahu’s election day promise that there will be no peace with the Palestinians on his watch? Will Jim Baker be allowed on the air to discuss why Jeb Bush was put on the defensive for including a realist among his advisers, instead of drinking pure Neocon KoolAid?

    Will Phil Weiss ever be given a voice again in MSM to talk about the war of ideas in the Middle East?

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      July 14, 2015, 12:21 pm

      I have pushed Phil Weiss and Mondoweiss on Washington Journal and Diane Rehm. About time. Diane Rehm just gave Abe Foxman a stage to repeat anyone who criticizes Israel more than say Saudi Arabia etc is an anti semite. When will Diane give many Jews who have joined the peace movement on this issue a platform. There has been a shift in this arena over the last 10 years. Phil, Adam and Mondoweiss have been a part of that shift. Including Anna Baltzer, Medea, Phil, Naomi Klein. When will these msm outlets give them a wider stage?

      Hillary Mann Leverett on the Cycle yesterday. Another opening wanting the facts.

      Walt, Mearsheimer, Freeman, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson …yes. Would make great guest on this issue.

      MSNBC Ed has had Joe Wilson on about this issue.

      • lysias
        lysias
        July 14, 2015, 12:26 pm

        Jim Webb was on Diane Rehm the hour before Foxman (at least he was scheduled to be). Anybody know what he had to say? He’s been antiwar for a long time, since his own experiences in Vietnam.

  27. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    July 14, 2015, 12:07 pm

    This could be a crushing defeat for Israel /Saudi hegemony, in my opinion this was never about nuclear weapons, all 16 US intelligence agencies told us repeatedly that Iran was not after the bomb.
    Israeli and Saudi fears were that Iran’s financial and conventional military influence will percolate through the region, that is correct and inevitable, and in my opinion a good thing. Because Iran has a military alliance with Syria, first item on the agenda should be to wipe out the anti-human animals which comprise the Saudi funded Islamic state [IS] and for the US to recognize the futility of backing “so called moderate jihadis” in Syria. No such groups exist. As the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov said recently the US cannot make a distinction between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ terrorists just because some fleeting geopolitical interest is served. Nobody will want to be left behind when all the deals on oil and gas are signed, the 80 million Iranian population market is begging to be exploited, my only hope is that the spoilers for the last few years France, is at the end of the queue.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      July 14, 2015, 12:15 pm

      Over the next 6o days the MSM will be filled with so many inflammatory statements about the deal and Iran that our screens may ignite. New commercials came out last month trying to take the deal down. Here is to doing our parts in contacting Reps etc supporting the Weapons of Mass Diplomacy deal.

      Let’s hope those in favor of busting the deal are not successful at getting the 66 Senate votes they need to trump Obama.

      • Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        Mahmoud El-Yousseph
        July 14, 2015, 3:05 pm

        Kathleen you make me laugh with your label of ” Weapon of Mass Diplomacy deal”. Nice way to put it. I am getting ready to call my Rep in Congress. I know GOP will do anything to kill the deal in the next 60 Days. Most of whom have already pledge allegiance to ISISrael and they take their marching orders from Tel Aviv.

    • lysias
      lysias
      July 14, 2015, 12:28 pm

      But the weakness of their position was that the sanctions were always based on Iran’s supposed nuclear weapons program. Obama, by seizing upon a way in which he could claim that supposed program was blocked, deprived the sanctions of their justification.

  28. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 14, 2015, 12:08 pm

    I am so glad to hear this news. I have had my fill of Zionists telling me who I should hate and asking my country to bomb them. It’s just a downer from start to finish with them and we need to get off that ride.

  29. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 14, 2015, 12:09 pm

    On the Diane Rehm show Abe Foxman pushed the idea that if you criticize Israel say more than you criticize Saudi Arabia’s human rights crimes you are an “anti semite’ He said that “anti Zionism is anti semitic” He repeated that the discussion in Israel about the conflict is open and dynamic. Not one question about how Abe Foxman has used his power to shut down the debate in this country.

    This seems to be the new (old) strategy by the I lobby. Call anyone who wants the conflict discussed accurately and openly in the states as an “anti semitic” Going with ” if at first you don’t succeed, try, try again”

  30. amigo
    amigo
    July 14, 2015, 12:36 pm

    Let,s be honest, nothing but total capitulation by Iran would be enough for nietanyahu.

    This from a nation (sans frontiere) with 200 plus nukes and is still experimenting on more devastating WMD ,s.This is what the word chutzpah was created for.

  31. ckg
    ckg
    July 14, 2015, 1:40 pm

    Ted Cruz quipped, “They should really be conducting these negotiations in Munich and coming back with an announcement about peace within our time.”

  32. Mondowise
    Mondowise
    July 14, 2015, 1:55 pm

    this is an epic quantum leap towards world peace, we are witnessing a near miracle with this deal. satanyahoo’s opposition, rhetoric, antics and threats are only going to render him more the obtuse, aggressive and hated fool worldwide…so let the little imp bellow like a child who’s spilled his milk. nobody’s really listening, other than his cronies wherever they may reside.

    my fear and concern regards the incessant, relentless, profound depth of pathology of his and zionism’s narcissim. yes, bibi will yell, scream, gesture, posture, etc….but when he doesn’t get his way, he does very very bad things. he loves WAR more than any living thing, i fear he’ll conjure up some black op based on false premises against iran to justify attacking them. somehow, in his twisted sickness, he’ll link all this deal stuff to Palestinians, and hurt them bad, too. his evil never stops. this deal is far worse than poking a sleeping grizzly, this iran deal dumps mega-tons of fuel smack on top of bibi’s devil-fire from hell…like, bibi goes BOOM!

    • HarryLaw
      HarryLaw
      July 14, 2015, 4:21 pm

      You mean like this, Nut-‘N-Yahoo blowing his stack. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2015/07/14/nut-n-yahoo-blowing-his-stack/

      • Mondowise
        Mondowise
        July 14, 2015, 5:46 pm

        LOL!!! yes, exactly! that is toooo funny, just hilarious! thanks for that, Harry!

    • lonely rico
      lonely rico
      July 14, 2015, 5:45 pm

      >Mondowise

      … i fear he’ll conjure up some black op based on false premises against iran to justify attacking them.

      My fear as well.

      Doubtful Israel would attack Iran, ‘cuz they like war, but prefer others to fight it for them. (They do like to blow up and murder the Palestinians, but that’s not war; they can handle their own massacres.)

      More likely a false flag against American interests (military, diplomatic, tourists … ) somewhere, with the discovery of VAJA’s (Ministry of Intelligence of the Islamic Republic of Iran) phone number in the back pocket of one of the perps, who (fortunately) lost his life in the attack.
      Outraged frenzy orchestrated by the MSM, public opinion swinging wildly against Iran and the deal.

      Am I just paranoid ?

      • Mondowise
        Mondowise
        July 14, 2015, 9:39 pm

        yep, that’s the kind of deceitful black op i’m talking about. american interests would be bibi’s likely target, not to mention his sweet revenge against obama….but i wouldn’t put it past him to target other nations. he’s just too sick not to attack somewhere. and nope, i don’t think you’re paranoid…not at all, but the criminal PM of israel is! trust me, there is nothing more dangerous and deadly than a raging narcissist in extreme panic mode! i consider bibi himself to be a WMD. i expect massive fallout from him over this deal…and it won’t be pretty.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 11:13 pm

        You have good reason to be wary of Netanyahu~ we know how he and other forces have manufactured bs before.

        Ain’t gonna happen with this deal. Not now. Uh- huh. He’s dangerous alright, but the entire world watched and felt the earthquake today.

        A change happened.

  33. tokyobk
    tokyobk
    July 14, 2015, 2:03 pm

    The current Israeli government is like a drug addict relative refusing an intervention (because everything is not just ok but great, in fact never been better.).

    Obama intervened.

    And/but this deal does not harm Israel, it helps Israel become a more legitimate state with more normalised relations.

    I think that may not have dawned on some celebrants here and widely.

    • just
      just
      July 14, 2015, 2:27 pm

      “And/but this deal does not harm Israel, it helps Israel become a more legitimate state with more normalised relations.”

      Please explain this conclusion, tokyobk. Thanks,

      • tokyobk
        tokyobk
        July 14, 2015, 2:39 pm

        Obama, imo, along with other Democrats, is actually trying to reshape Israel into a country that can be supported (and protected) in this new millennium. Supported without the wrath of more progressive Democrats, and which (at least superficially) conforms more generally to American ideals, and increased expectations for the Middle East.

        I am not saying this is realistic or possible but I am sure that it is why Obama is generally confused and more than mildly p.o’d that people think he is trying to harm Israel. He does see himself as the tough intervener, the good friend who sticks with his buddy when when he’s acting up but lays down firm rules of engagement.

        The deal itself was constructed (brilliantly or naively we will see) with Israel (and Saudi) stability in mind, with the idea that a larger ME (including Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan) is good for everyone, especially our two most important allies.

        Hillary, btw, is perfectly happy with 20th century whatever, whenever.

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 3:53 pm

        Thanks for that, tokyobk! Makes good sense.

    • ritzl
      ritzl
      July 14, 2015, 3:10 pm

      Agree, tokyobk. This deal is 5 (of 10) parts doing the right thing, 3 parts trying to constructively drag Israel kicking and screaming out of rogue nation status, and 2 parts FU to Netanyahu, et.al.

      Question is what happens if (i.e. when) Israel utterly fails to take the “hint.”

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 3:55 pm

        Thanks, ritzl.

        That IS the question, isn’t it?

      • tokyobk
        tokyobk
        July 14, 2015, 6:30 pm

        That would be my exact math.

        Included in there in the “doing the right thing” category probably for Obama is rebalancing the historic power centres of the Islamic world and — somehow trying to squeeze Israel as a permanent player. Quite the opposite of helping the Iranian regime wipe Israel off the map etc…

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        July 14, 2015, 9:17 pm

        Hi just, yep.

        I think the answer is embedded in and/or implied by the deal itself. Namely that Iran becomes our new best bud in the region. We have so many ACTUAL shared geopolitical desires/needs, stability being the main one, of which ISIS is the visible subset du jour. But it’s also the largest country/market, the most strategically located in all directions, the least (I don’t think this is even arguable) repressive of the “ally” choices, and the country with the most untapped potential to actually move in the right direction in all the above. Solution oriented relationship and situation.

        Despite the antagonism over that last 40 years, and the policy incoherence toward Iran and the region, I don’t think any of this has been lost on non-insane policymakers. They have been looking for a moment. They may have found/engineered one. Problem has been the opportunistic, Israel-centric personnel/policy takeover during the same period.

        To me, our evolving and improving relationship with Viet Nam is a pretty indicative and consistent model for what can happen with Iran — bitter enemy to “anchor” regional ally.

        Sidenote: Gas prices went down $.10/gallon today locally. Related?

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 11:17 pm

        Thanks, ritzl. I think that you are spot- on.

        I am hopeful that we’ve turned a corner in very many ways. That Vietnam war was horrific for millions of people who both died and survived, and one person that volunteered for it, came back and testified to end it and was vilified for that and kept on going to do everything he could to be true to his word has done an amazing thing. He helped to end this descent into the abyss, and to do what he promised to do. Give everybody another way forward.

        John Kerry.

        That’s courage.

        The right President, the right Secretary, the right time! And on the other side, the right President, the right FM, the right time! They seized the day, together.

      • ritzl
        ritzl
        July 15, 2015, 5:10 am

        Hi just.

        The right President, the right Secretary, the right time! And on the other side, the right President, the right FM, the right time! They seized the day, together.

        Well said!

    • john_manyjars
      john_manyjars
      July 14, 2015, 3:35 pm

      You mean Israel will get rid of its nukes?

      • just
        just
        July 14, 2015, 4:24 pm

        How I wish!

        But they could be made to declare them, be inspected, sign the NPT, etc.

  34. tokyobk
    tokyobk
    July 14, 2015, 2:40 pm

    … that a -stable- larger ME…

  35. subconscious
    subconscious
    July 14, 2015, 3:01 pm

    The “Jewish Rapid Response Coalition,” along w/ like-minded groups, are planning a “massive” “Stop Iran Now” rally in Times Square on 7/22/15: http://stopiranrally.org/
    (And here’s one of their latest videos expressing their viewpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUJ-1Ih0wXc )

    • john_manyjars
      john_manyjars
      July 14, 2015, 3:33 pm

      Well perhaps some street people can find temporary employment holding up signs for the Israel-Firsters….

    • Qualtrough
      Qualtrough
      July 14, 2015, 3:40 pm

      Thanks for the news subconscious. That’s interesting. There is no credible evidence that Iran is working on a bomb and it sounds like this deal would make any such plans all the more difficult, so just what is it that they want to stop Iran from doing?

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2015, 8:01 pm

        “just what is it that they want to stop Iran from doing?”

        etc.

  36. ritzl
    ritzl
    July 14, 2015, 3:13 pm

    To riff on FDR, “July 14, 2015 is a day that will live in ‘famy’.”

  37. just
    just
    July 14, 2015, 4:27 pm

    “REUTERS – German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier criticised Israel’s opposition to a nuclear deal agreed by six world powers and Iran, saying the agreement will help contribute to security in the Middle East.

    “This is a responsible deal and Israel should also take a closer look at it and not criticise the agreement in a very coarse way,” Steinmeier told German broadcaster ARD in an interview on Wednesday. …”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.666057?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    lol. The cracks are appearing… may they become fissures, and deliver the long overdue and firm rebuke to Netanyahu that he so sorely needs.

  38. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    July 14, 2015, 4:30 pm

    Riff on Kenneth Williams or Netanyahu (as Julius Caesar on being murdered in the senate): Infamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it in for me! (Carry on Cleo). Netanyahu is funnier than Kenneth Williams.

  39. piotr
    piotr
    July 14, 2015, 9:42 pm

    Clearly, the main outcome of the deal will be a plethora of business opportunities. I read about a tunneling equipment company in Germany that wishes to work again with the builders of Tehran subway. Many opportunities will also open in Israel and USA. For example, one can sell more of those:

    http://www.teethnightguard.com/?gclid=CjwKEAjw5pKtBRCqpfPK5qXatWYSJABi5kTx1ZrMKKHgWnDCb8JcYeeE4OPJ-tcPDExvBZFgASbh3xoCeHXw_wcB

    Protect your teeth from the effect of teeth gnashing and grinding! No Israeli patriot and no ardent supporter of The Only Democracy In The Middle East and The Only Jewish State should be without one in those trying times. We recommend one guard for daily use (90 dollars, 270 shekels) and one for the night (160 dollars, 500 shekels).

  40. piotr
    piotr
    July 14, 2015, 11:33 pm

    A strange aspect is that the deal looks pretty bad to Iran, with onerous inspections looming at military installation (and Iran needs its military secrets, as does USA for that matter) and arms embargo that was vigorously protested until the last minute.

    At the end of the day, it is simply peaceful economic opportunities that Iran gains and that are bringing the opponents to conniptions. “Iran will have hundreds of billions of dollars to finance terrorism”, Israeli and Gulfies complain, although it is not like have less to finance THEIR terrorism. I guess that arms embargo hinders Iran’s opportunities to import flashy weapons like SS-400, and the rest is not traded officially in any case. Like Russia, it will use import substitution as the engine of growth, but with unhindered import of higher tech goods, and easier export with the access to SWIFT it can unleash pent-up demand.

    It is hard to predict what will happen militarily, but USA experimented with countering ISIL using a combination of attacks from air and ground troops of official Iraqi army, while sidelining mostly Shia militias. It did not work well. Getting “moderate Syrian insurgents” to train was an almost total flop, one or two diminitive militias joined YPG. The game can change only with mass mobilization of militias in Iraq, supported by Iranian specialists and officers, and substantial force supporting Assad, perhaps 100,000. That will upset Israelis, Saudis and a number of GOP senators, and it will be a huge relief to everybody else. And dreading prosperity in Iran is really an absolute nadir of political priorities.

    AIPAC and Israel will rue the day when they decided to oppose deal with Iran, whatever its content. You really cannot win against the ENTIRE UNSC plus a huge number of corporate interests, But once they loose credibility, bigger scrutiny will be given to their hobby of oppressing Palestinians and expanding settlement.

    Observe the “sensible triage” of Hillary (and Sanders), supporting deal with Iran, where large corporate interests are also supportive and opposing BDS which on the big scene has “who cares” status. Contrary to Chomsky, support of Israel is not essential to any major economic and corporate interests, instead it is basically a hobby on the part of otherwise influential and rich folks who do not give any offense to big players, military-industrial complex, a larger medical-corporate complex, banking, energy etc. AIPAC served a useful role in training legislators in obedience to lobbyists. But the game starts to change when AIPAC goes against the others. For example, distaste of corporate media for “radicals” like Mondoweiss remarkably declined.

    • traintosiberia
      traintosiberia
      July 14, 2015, 11:57 pm

      Its a bad deal for Iran. But US is trying something else- peel away Iran from Russia and China. Will that work? It depends on how much ground we give to Russia and China. But giving that ground also means changing the core American objective which is world dominance by militray power .
      Iran has lost to US and so has US to the world .

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      July 15, 2015, 1:22 am

      Piotr- I disagree. It is not just economics, it is military and nuclear military to be specific that many of those who oppose this deal are upset about. At the end of the day these people fear that this pact opens the path for the Iranian nuclear program a decade or so from now. Here is how the NYT terms the prospects for this pact:

      “For President Obama, the deal struck Tuesday morning with Iran represents a similar leap of faith, a bet that by defusing the country’s nuclear threat — even if just for a decade or so — he and his successors would have the time and space to restructure one of the United States’ deepest adversarial relationships.”

      Thus the NYT sums up the pact with the phrase: “defusing the country’s nuclear threat, even if just for a decade or so.” The brevity of this period seems ridiculously short to those who fear the Iranian bomb and to pretend that merely economics is in play: or even economics plus conventional military, is to negate the reality of the NYT’s realistic assessment of the brevity of the defusing of Iran’s nuclear threat.
      http://www.nytimes.com/live/iran-nuclear-deal-live-updates/news-analysis-a-leap-of-faith-for-obama/

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        July 15, 2015, 4:00 am

        yonah fredman: … the NYT sums up the pact with the phrase: “defusing the country’s nuclear threat, even if just for a decade or so.”

        ——————–

        But let’s not ignore how the NYT defines the “nuclear threat” in question. It’s not about Iran producing a nuclear arsenal, but about Iran becoming a “nuclear threshold” state.

        NYT: “Little in the deal announced on Tuesday eliminates Iran’s ability to become a threshold nuclear power eventually — it just delays the day. ”

        As the NYT article continues, it becomes clear that the real objection to the agreement is not the nuclear-threshold-state issue alone, but the notion that Iran is eternally hostile to “the West” and any lifting of sanctions gives Iran greater power to act on that hostility.

        NYT: Tehran’s nuclear program is just one of its instruments of power to destabilize the Middle East. And there is risk, especially in the next few years, that Iran’s generals will compensate for the loss of a nuclear program by stepping up their financing of Hezbollah and the government of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and by flexing their muscles in other conflicts across the region. They have already built up a talented “cybercorps” of their own and turned it on Saudi Arabia and, in more limited ways, the United States.

        As I said, this is much more than just an issue of Iran eventually becoming a nuclear threshold state.

    • hank
      hank
      July 15, 2015, 2:46 am

      Piotr: With reference to your comment elsewhere (which I can no longer locate) about the origins of Farsi, I recall a quote from a long-ago New Yorker sage: “One man’s Mede is another man’s Persian.”

  41. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    July 14, 2015, 11:53 pm

    “Malcolm Hoenlein of the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations has a similar take. Chemi Shalev:

    Malcom Hoenlein @CUFi asks why “little pipsqueak” Zarif yells at Kerry and why “he [Kerry] didn’t just slap him and walk out”?

    Yes Malcolm, we know where you come from. But slapping PA might work in West Bank. But in Vienna , the rules were a little different. It also might work in Congress and Senate as AIPAC have succeessfully unleashed the slapping around periodically over the years .
    Now instead of slappping what about self flagellation for all the harms you have caused to US interests and hope for forgiveness?

  42. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    July 15, 2015, 12:04 am

    “Centrist politician and Netanyahu’s most vocal challenger in the government Yesh Atid’s Yari Lapid has called for the prime minister’s resignation over his mishandling of Israeli lobbying world leaders to drop the deal with Iran.”

    The failures to influence the foreign policy through lobbying??
    He just spilled the bean.
    It exposes the fact that Israel through AIPAC,FDD,CSP,JINSA,Stnad with Israel do make US foreign policy that affects Middle East.
    But ADL will see expression antisemtism in that claim if ever made by someone in the context of educating and informing American public.

  43. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    July 15, 2015, 4:25 am

    Former Chief of Staff for General Colin Powell, Col Larry Wilkerson has a very sensible take on the Iran deal here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOfr9OuCv6E&feature=youtu.be

  44. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    July 15, 2015, 4:37 am

    Rand Paul opposes the Iran deal, and consigns his Presidential campaign to oblivion. http://news.antiwar.com/2015/07/14/rand-paul-opposes-iran-deal/

  45. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    July 15, 2015, 8:31 am

    Great comment below by a reader (Richard Huber) on Friedman’s NYT interview today with President Obama

    /////
    Richard Huber
    I find it particularly galling that the leader of what is in reality a rogue nation dominated by a group of religious extremists, itself sitting on a huge undeclared arsenal of atomic weapon, including hydrogen bombs, would so vocally oppose this sensible agreement. Perhaps the only thing more galling is that this tiny nation, the largest single recipient of US foreign aid over the last 4 decades, can skillfully use checkbook lobbying to so influence our Congress that there can be concern that Congress might torpedo the agreement.

    Israel with at least 200 nuclear weapons is not a member of the IAEA, refuses to sign the NPT & allows no international inspections of its nuclear facilities. How is it possible that so many members of Congress blithely condone this behavior while criticizing the agreement with Iran. The answer is money spread widely throughout the halls of Congress by the clever operatives of the AIPAC.

    Shameful!!
    /////

    Obama Makes His Case on Iran Nuclear Deal http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/opinion/thomas-friedman-obama-makes-his-case-on-iran-nuclear-deal.html

  46. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 15, 2015, 1:49 pm

    Today (Wednesday July 15th) Senator Cardin took quite a pummeling on Washington Journal. Many callers asking about his ties to Israel, his votes for Israel in the U.S. congressional body. He became quite defensive. Greta the host and Cspan team cut some callers off when it did not appear they were going out of bounds.

    Cardin really exposed his allegiance to Israel when a caller asked about Israel and nukes. Cardin went right into a song and dance protecting Israel’s massive stockpile of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons that are not inspected by the international community because Israel continues to refuse to sign the NPT and the Chemical Weapons Treaty.

    Cardin did not say that Israel , Pakistan and India should be pressure to sign those agreements.

    At one point when describing the U.S. and Israel as democracies he really exposed his allegiance when he said “we (Israel) are a Democracy” Worth the Listen Washington Journal | Series | C-SPAN.org

    http://www.c-span.org/series/?washingtonJournal

    C‑SPAN

  47. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 15, 2015, 1:57 pm

    David Ignatius was on Chris Matthews last night and on Morning Joe this morning (July 15th). Chris Matthews allows Ignatius to make statements about Iran “destabilizing” the middle east with absolutely no challenges. They must be friends. Anyone else Chris Matthews would more than likely bring up how the invasion of Iraq clearly destroyed many lives but also had the added possibly planned feature to destabilize the region. The PNAC blueprint for the region

    Richard Haass and Ignatius were staying on that theme (Iran destabilizes the region, is a “bad actor” this morning on Morning Joe. Amazing to hear how often the words “cheat” or “cheaters” is being used to reference Iran’s past activities. As if Israel and the U.S. do not fall into that category as much or more than Iran.

    Dr. Zbig on Morning Joe. He of course was clear, concise and no nonsense in his response to the deal. He really knocked Netanyahu as not being “a serious person” Dr. Zbig asked Ignatius if he was trying to set him up after one of Ignatius questions. Really worth the listen. You can scroll down and listen to Dr. Zbig and the U.K’s ambassador to the U.S. who will be talking to congressional Reps in support of the deal. Morning Joe – MSNBC.com

    http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe

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