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The rightwing Israel lobby has launched a full-on assault on the Iran deal. “Urge Congress to Oppose the Bad Deal with Iran,” AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, declares on its website, with a ton of attack videos and “fact sheets”.

“AIPAC commits to total war against the president. In previous two such campaigns – loan guarantees and Saudi AWACS – it lost,” reports Chemi Shalev of Haaretz

Bill Kristol of the Emergency Committee for Israel doesn’t agree:

This deal is beatable.

The rightwing Israel Project is riding shotgun. Here’s one tweet:

The day Obama awarded Iran hegemony in the Middle East

Another, tuned in to what Israel wants:

Israel: Inspection clauses in deal ‘worse than worthless,’ actually help Iran

That links to Yuval Steinitz, senior minister, in the Times of Israel: 

The nuclear deal’s inspections regime, much hailed by the Western powers that negotiated the agreement with Iran, is “worse than worthless” and actually helps Iran more than the international inspectors, a senior Israeli minister charged Wednesday.

Another shrill tweet from Israel Project:

JPOST: Iran deal to see Middle East conflicts go on steroids

This is the best:

The Israel Project's campaign

The Israel Project’s campaign

The good thing is, the lobby has never been so naked before. Matthew Dowd, the former pollster for George W Bush who saw the light on Iraq, tweets:

I have not always been fan of Obama, but i trust the President of the United States more than the Prime Minister of Israel to run our policy

The Iran deal is a mistake, but Reagan is best President ever and he traded arms for hostages. Am i missing something?

He looks at it from Iran’s point of view:

so we supported overthrow of their leader in 50s, sided with Iraq against them in war, and shot down one of their airliners. trust is 2 way

Here’s some more propaganda from the Israel Project’s Josh Block:

Josh Block image of nuclear future

Josh Block image of nuclear future

The liberal Zionists are lining up in favor of the deal. J Street was featured on the Nightly News last night. The group spokesperson Dylan Williams:

You know what is longer than 2 years of current negotiations with Iran? 8 years of war in Iraq.

Greg Sargent, Washington Post, says J Street has a lot of money:

“J-Street alone will be undertaking a multi-million-dollar effort in support of the agreement,” Dylan Williams, a spokesman for the progressive pro-Israel group J-Street, tells me. “I know that other groups that recognize this deal as the best way to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon will be spending comparable amounts.”…

One hundred and fifty House Dems have already signed a letter [back in May] generally supporting diplomacy, which makes it very likely the veto won’t get overridden in the Lower Chamber.

“The odds are very good that we can sustain the veto in both houses, but the firewall is clearly in the House,” one source says.

A source on the pro-deal side says groups think opponents will aggressively target the House Dems that didn’t sign the letter, and will also pressure Dem Senators that might be inclined against the accord, such as Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker, Michael Bennet, Chris Coons, Kirsten Gillibrand, Gary Peters, Debbie Stabenow, and Heidi Heitkamp.

Chuck Schumer will support the deal, says Yair Lapid, the Israeli centrist:

“I’ve heard all of the analyses that said wait we don’t know how Chuck Schumer – who is the most influential Democratic senator today – will vote. I sat with him less than a month ago; we spoke about this. I looked him in the eyes; he didn’t say it outright, [but] I am telling you, he’ll vote for the deal. All these discussions are inventions… There will be a Senate decision not to remove sanctions, there will be a presidential veto and there won’t be 67 votes to override the veto.”

The Hill says Schumer may vote against it, but without trying to rally opposition:

“[I]f he was going to go ballistic, if he was going to fight it, he would have made the move.” [says W.Va Senator Joe Manchin]. ..

“Historically, this is a huge deal for the Obama administration,” said a former Schumer aide, who predicted that wouldn’t necessarily stop him from voting against it.

Jewish leaders in New York predict Schumer will vote to overturn the accord…

“This bill is a complete catastrophe and I think you’ll see Chuck Schumer and many other Democrats vote against this bill,” said Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America.

NY’s junior Senator Kirsten Gillibrand hedges: 

Now that is in place, I’ll take a look at the details–especially on verification components–before making a final determination.

Cory Booker hedges:

I’m a PBO [Obama] supporter. But I must evaluate this on its merits. It isn’t about him or me but what is best for USA

I agree with you on no more war. But this is far more complicated than the binary alternatives that you offer.

The same day he tweets about the intolerable rates of incarceration, and this bit of inspiration: “You wanna fly, you got to give up the sh** that weighs you down.” ― Toni Morrison, Song of Solomon

Bernie Sanders is strong:

“I congratulate President Obama, Secretary Kerry and the leaders of other major nations for producing a comprehensive agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. This is a victory for diplomacy over saber-rattling and could keep the United States from being drawn into another never-ending war in the Middle East. I look forward to learning more about the complex details of this agreement to make sure that it is effective and strong.”

The National Jewish Democratic Council is tapdancing. Doesn’t like the deal, but can’t come out and say so:

While many have quickly jumped to conclusions on whether today’s announced agreement with Iran is a “good deal” or a “bad deal,” we call on all organizations and members of Congress to take partisan politics completely out of this situation. In order to truly determine whether or not this deal is what we need and want it to be, we call on the entire community to take the necessary time to read and review the details of the agreement.

And though it’s a partisan organization, it doesn’t want Israel to become a partisan issue:

The pro-Israel cause is hurt when the world’s only Jewish state is, once again, used as a partisan wedge issue. This is not about scoring partisan points, it’s about what’s best for the national security interests of the United States, including protecting the safety and security of our vital ally, Israel.

Barbara Slavin of the Atlantic Council said in a conference call yesterday that the deal is going through, there’s no turning back:

The deal is done… It’s bound to be blessed by the international community and the Security Council…. We’ve reached the high water mark with sanctions…. Iran has agreed to what many in the world consider to be a quite reasonable deal.

The Israel Project is trying to rally pro-Israel Dems using lobby warhorses:

Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) said in an official statement, “I’m concerned the redlines we drew have turned into green-lights; that Iran will be required only to limit rather than eliminate its nuclear program, while the international community will be required to lift the sanctions, and that it doesn’t provide for anytime-any-place inspections of suspected sites. The bottom line is: The deal doesn’t end Iran’s nuclear program – it preserves it.” Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) was “emphatic” that he would vote against a resolution approving the deal, asking rhetorically, “If all it takes is a bag full of breadcrumbs to build a bomb, can you trust Iran with a bakery the size of La Brea?” Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) called aspects of the deal “deeply troubling.”
Ambassador Dennis Ross, the former special adviser for the Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia in Obama’s State Department, wrote in The Washington Post that the deal “will legitimize the Islamic republic as a threshold nuclear state.” Robert Satloff, the Executive Director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, called the deal “a strategy page that maps Iran’s emergence as a regional power, with the full blessing – even support – of the United States and the international community.”

Let’s get back to the mustache-twirlers. Bill Kristol:

Everyone who’s pro-Israel needs to take a hard look at, and reflect on, Annex III.D.10 of the .

Noah Pollak tells us what Subchapter 10 is.

Nuclear deal includes pledge that US to help Iran thwart Israeli sabotage of nuclear facilities. Obama-Iran alliance.

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Writes a friend, “How does Netanyahu feel about testifying for the Iraq War, now? The Deal is a reaction to the Bush Doctrine.  Lost in the mist of time is Israel backing Iran over Iraq when Reagan was prez.”

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  1. Patrick
    Patrick
    July 16, 2015, 11:35 am

    “He looks at it from Iraq’s point of view …”

    There’s a typo here. You mean from Iran’s point of view.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      July 16, 2015, 11:42 am

      Thanks!

      • Lillian Rosengarten
        Lillian Rosengarten
        July 17, 2015, 10:20 am

        What a disgrace. These political nitwits are in support of a racist and hateful Zionist agenda and in my view are completely dishonest in their motives. Where is critical thinking? As these fools continue to run our country, we can only go downhill and into a further abyss.

  2. just
    just
    July 16, 2015, 12:20 pm

    “I have not always been fan of Obama, but i trust the President of the United States more than the Prime Minister of Israel to run our policy”

    Ya think??? Duh. The other part of his tweet is just plain weird.

    Meanwhile:

    “Israel influenced much of the Iran nuke deal, says chief U.S. negotiator

    U.S. Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman tells reporters that Israeli and American experts consulted with each other over the past year.

    … Sherman told reporters that she held a long video conference late Wednesday night on a secure line with Cohen and with National Infrastructure, Energy and Water Minister Yuval Steinitz to discuss the deal, present the American position and hear their concerns.

    “We told them we believe it makes us all safer. It pushes Iran’s breakout time to one year for at least 10 years,” she said. “We were working to get a good deal and the right deal. We believe we got a very good deal. It cuts off all pathways to nuclear weapons. It insures sanctions will snapback if Iran violates the deal.”

    U.S. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter is due to arrive in Israel for security-related talks next week.

    There “were bumps along the way” between Israel and the United States regarding the Iran deal, Carter said.

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu urged Israeli experts all along to talk to us. It was very consequential,” he said. “But we have a robust security dialogue with Israel and this is not going to change. We are grateful to all the contribution Israel gave that made this deal what it is now. We have stayed in touch with Israel and took it very seriously. …

    … Sherman noted that the United States intends to continue operating against Iranian involvement in terror and regional meddling.

    “This is why our cooperation with Israel is so critical,” she stressed. “I understand – I have been to Israel many times and it is a tough neighborhood. I understand why Israelis are very concerned about Hezbollah and Hamas. So is the U.S.”

    Sherman stressed that for these reasons the United States is committed to Israel’s qualitative military edge and security cooperation.

    She added, “President Obama tried talking with Netanyahu about further expending security cooperation but the PM wasn’t ready to have this conversation yet.”

    On Tuesday, a few hours after the announcement about the agreement, U.S. President Barack Obama held a long discussion with Netanyahu. On Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke with Netanyahu for the first time since the decisive round of talks in Vienna over three weeks ago.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.666424

    So, are Israeli fingerprints all over the deal?

    Yes? No? Does anybody know? Perhaps this is the answer to your question, Phil:

    “British gov’t welcomes Iran back into the ‘community of nations’ — why can’t we?” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/british-welcomes-community#sthash.cToTbPmE.dpuf

    Who knows.

  3. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    July 16, 2015, 12:25 pm

    “That’s why Bloomberg View’s Eli Lake, among the most sophisticated of the hawks, ends his hot take on Obama with a whine rather than a policy argument, saying, “Obama should have the decency to level with us.” Matthew Yglesias

    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/15/8973111/iran-nuclear-deal-eli-lake
    It is called crybaby syndrome.

    But have you been even honest with Americans Mr Lake?

  4. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    July 16, 2015, 12:26 pm

    http://www.vox.com/2015/7/15/8973111/iran-nuclear-deal-eli-lake

    and “We don’t negotiate with evil,” Dick Cheney famously said, “we defeat it.”
    Yes ,you cant negotiate with yourself.Mr Dick for is called self stimulation .

    Some will label it as porno of violence

  5. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    July 16, 2015, 1:07 pm

    TIP should *not* have picked a Bumblebaby doppelganger for their silly, fearmongering ad!

    I suspect that the anti-deal push from extreme Israel supporters, including bought and paid for pols, will push the crack in the msm door open a further few inches.

    • just
      just
      July 16, 2015, 1:34 pm

      It’s nothing new, Bumblebye. The most recent example:

      “Israelis share photos of children demanding death to “terrorists”

      A Facebook campaign demanding the execution of “terrorists” went viral in Israel last weekend, with Israelis posting photos of themselves, their children and their pets holding signs demanding the death penalty.

      The campaign was launched by Sharon Gal, a former journalist and first-term lawmaker from the far right Yisrael Beiteinu party.

      Gal recently sponsored legislation that would have made it easier for judges to sentence ”convicted murderer[s] motivated by nationalism” to death both inside Israel and the occupied West Bank.

      Though Israel already has a death penalty option on the books, a death sentence hasn’t been carried out since the hanging of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in 1962. The true purpose of the bill was not the death penalty, it was racist incitement catering to the right-wing chauvinism surging through the Israeli Jewish public after reaching its peak during last summer’s brutal assault on Gaza. …”

      https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/israelis-share-photos-children-demanding-death-terrorists

      Of course with the current policy of shooting Palestinians at will and hunting them too, it is a bit redundant except that some people might actually have a trial…

      How is Bumblebaby anyway?

      • annie
        annie
        July 16, 2015, 1:38 pm

        Though Israel already has a death penalty option on the books, a death sentence hasn’t been carried out since the hanging of Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in 1962.

        i disagree because targeted assassinations are death sentences. they just take place before being arrested, charged, tried and convicted.

      • just
        just
        July 16, 2015, 1:40 pm

        Agreed. I tried to make that point, but apparently failed.

        ;-0

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 16, 2015, 2:39 pm

        .
        seems like a mock trial does not a trial make
        .
        welcome to Israel
        if you’re our kind of Jew have a seat
        all others leave your wallets at the door on your way out
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        July 16, 2015, 4:41 pm

        Correction: seems like a mock trial does not a trial make . welcome to Israel if you’re our kind of Jew have a seat all others [except for any nuclear whistle blowers under house arrest, like Vanunu] leave your wallets at the door on your way out

        one wonders why Iran didn’t make equal inspections part of the agreement

        Because the Security Council has never been able to enforce or live up to its existing treaty obligations and resolutions on that score, e.g. S/RES/487 (1981) said that all states have the right to a nuclear program and that all states, including Israel, should be under IAEA inspection (15 voted for, None voted against, None abstained):

        Deeply concerned about the danger to international peace and security created by the premeditated Israeli air attack on Iraqi nuclear installations on 7 June 1981, which could at any time explode the situation in the area, with grave consequences for the vital interests of all States,
        Considering that, under the terms of Article 2, paragraph 4, of the Charter of the United Nations: “All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations”,

        1. Strongly condemns the military attack by Israel in clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct;

        2. Calls upon Israel to refrain in the future from any such acts or threats thereof;

        3. Further considers that the said attack constitutes a serious threat to the entire IAEA safeguards regime which is the foundation of the non-proliferation Treaty;

        4. Fully recognizes the inalienable sovereign right of Iraq, and all other States, especially the developing countries, to establish programmes of technological and nuclear development to develop their economy and industry for peaceful purposes in accordance with their present and future needs and consistent with the internationally accepted objectives of preventing nuclear-weapons proliferation;

        5. Calls upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards;

        http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6C57312CC8BD93CA852560DF00653995

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 16, 2015, 4:46 pm

        I disagree. Targetted assasinations are murder and don’t deserve the garb and cover of executions.

        I am personally against the death penalty but I also recognize some states still have it. Israel does not do executions, it just murders in cold blood.

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 16, 2015, 5:05 pm

        .
        where is Anne Sullivan
        for the sake of all Israel should not be allowed to table
        until/unless an equal standard of manner is met/reached
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        July 16, 2015, 7:37 pm

        Thanks just, I read that EI piece – abuse of pets and children! Incitement to murder! These are people who have lost their humanity – they would rather see the victims of their crimes murdered for attempting the minimal resistance they can.

        Bumblebaby is fine and dandy, growing like a weed (and showing signs of potential dandelion coloring..,), becoming highly mobile, but not yet toddling on her own, tho it’s not far off!

      • annie
        annie
        July 16, 2015, 7:58 pm

        you didn’t fail just! and thanks for the link.

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 16, 2015, 8:54 pm

        .
        hello Hostage
        i hope your day was lovely
        m
        seems anti-whatever to exclude Israel from the guide lines set for everyone else
        as if Israel wouldn’t excel at any and all tests/tasks/ conditions/standards
        .
        instead the world throws money at Israel the worlds worst begger/bum
        .
        one would think that the standards set for Israel would be at least as high as the
        other countries/people in the Middle East rather than as low as pig dirt
        ,
        G-d Bless
        .

  6. surewin
    surewin
    July 16, 2015, 1:29 pm

    “This bill is a complete catastrophe and I think you’ll see Chuck Schumer and many other Democrats vote against this bill,” said Morton Klein, president of the Zionist Organization of America.

    He is confusing the bill with the agreement.

  7. Scott
    Scott
    July 16, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Thanks for this. I try to keep track of the formerly mainstream Republicans who break ranks with the party over letting Israel decide our Mideast policy. Dowd is a really important addition.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      July 16, 2015, 6:52 pm

      Agree. I suspect we’ll see more such breaking ranks as more facts emerge. And with J Street and AIPAC now on opposite sides of this center-stage debate, more mainstream reporters and commentators will also have cover to break with the billionaire bigots and war profiteers. Some, of course, will remain loyal to their secret paymasters and blackmailers.

  8. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    July 16, 2015, 1:35 pm

    Sweet gorgeous doppelgänger Bumblebaby , Bumblebye ! ;)

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      July 16, 2015, 7:53 pm

      Thank you bintbiba, she is. Giggles a lot, especially at absurdity! We all adore her of course.

  9. michelle
    michelle
    July 16, 2015, 1:56 pm

    .
    dear Israel
    in consideration of your concerns in regard to the Iran issue;
    in an effort to help you feel safer the P5+1 will apply the same
    exact standards via inspections and so forth toward Israel
    so you can experience first hand the level of effectiveness
    that has been outlined in the forth coming agreement
    and for good measure and/or to err on the side of fair play
    until you/Israel complies the sanctions that were applied to
    Iran will be applied to Israel
    iow all your funding has been cut off
    as always looking forward to hearing back from you
    love & xoxos
    your bffs P5+1
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

    • just
      just
      July 16, 2015, 2:07 pm

      Brilliant, michelle! If only….

      ;-)

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 16, 2015, 2:53 pm

        .
        Hello you
        lovely day today isn’t it
        m
        .
        it would be the Just way to proceed
        one wonders why Iran didn’t make
        equal inspections part of the agreement
        thus bringing an even greater level of
        peace to the Middle East
        Israel needs more then ‘its’ head checked
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 20, 2015, 9:25 am

      Adding to Michelle…
      “…and there is the little matter of our 5 or so nuke scientists, that we all have been keeping off the books. In the spirit of the agreement, I’m sure you’ll keep our response off the books, too.”

  10. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 16, 2015, 2:10 pm

    My hope is that this hyper blatant example of Israel lovers hijacking US foreign policy during the run up for the next POTUS actually brings some debate regarding US/World versus Israel’s interests to the US main media TV news & infotainment shows. So far, I actually heard a pundit on MSNBC mention Israel’s nukes. Then again, on the same channel this morning Bill Kristol spent ten minutes dissing the Iran Deal in his usual smug way.

  11. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 16, 2015, 2:16 pm

    I have seen some real nasty ads warning us that Iran is going to have that nuclear bomb, and the world will be in trouble. What drama queens! Netanyahu has managed to get his minions to regurgitate the same baloney, and they keep repeating it like parrots, some not even knowing what the deal really is. This is simple, either you support the side that is trying hard to avoid a war, and the loss of lives, or the side that simply does not want any deal, but to bomb Iran for no damn good reason. It seems the same gang that has not learnt a lesson from Iraq, wants to bomb another Muslim nation that makes them feel insecure and it seems that group does not want Iran to progress after the sanctions are lifted.

    Cory Booker from NJ is a shameless politician, who has shown more loyalty to Israel than to his own President. I guess he needs those campaign funds badly.

  12. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 16, 2015, 2:22 pm

    It is sad to see that so many on both sides of this issue seem to accept the premise that Iran is a crazy regime bent on obtaining nukes when there is not a scintilla of evidence to support that. Even sadder is that Israel with its several hundred nukes actually has a policy to take the world down with it* if things don’t go their way, yet Iran is considered the crazy regime.

    *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_van_Creveld

  13. just
    just
    July 16, 2015, 2:42 pm

    “Israel Requests 50% Increase in U.S. Military Aid, Up to $4.5B

    Israel continues to express opposition to the deal, arguing that a stronger Iran will threaten the region’s stability. The New York Times reports that Israel has been requesting between $4.2 billion to $4.5 billion of military aid from the United States each year for the next 10 years in talks that began prior to the Iran nuclear deal’s passage. Israel currently receives $3 billion a year in U.S. military aid.”

    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/16/headlines#7164

    Uh- huh. Time to make some phone calls…

    • michelle
      michelle
      July 16, 2015, 2:59 pm

      .
      American health care should come before Israel bullets and bombs
      if Israel has needs Israel shoud meet those needs itself
      no more weapons aid from America
      America wants world peace not World War 3
      .
      G-d Bless

    • CigarGod
      CigarGod
      July 20, 2015, 9:28 am

      Adding to Michelle…
      “…and there is the little matter of our 5 or so nuke scientists, that we all have been keeping off the books. In the spirit of the agreement, I’m sure you’ll keep our response off the books, too.”

  14. niass2
    niass2
    July 16, 2015, 3:15 pm

    I don’t trust Obama. I support the “deal, because, when you pored the wine for me, and tightened up my shoes, I hate to leave you sitting there, wondering what to choose. As such from a basic business standpoint this deal has already gone down.

    Ask Renault what they think ‘) Are they concerned what people in Mississippi are thinking?

    Over in Yemen the bombs continue to fall but we are still talking about yesterday’s news….Next……………..Obama is so great and this is all so progressive, except that_________________________________________.

    And Hilary is generally confused, but wait now she is saying something, or is it Bill saying that Paul Ryan’s budget is wonderful.

    oh well never mind.

  15. Pixel
    Pixel
    July 16, 2015, 3:22 pm

    .
    “mustache-twirlers” Ha!

  16. John O
    John O
    July 16, 2015, 4:27 pm

    “Reagan is best President ever and he traded arms for hostages. Am i missing something?”

    Yes. Reagan was not the best president ever. And here’s a good summary from Juan Cole of the “arms for hostages” shenanigans:

    http://www.juancole.com/2015/07/illegally-khomeini-weapons.html

  17. David Doppler
    David Doppler
    July 16, 2015, 4:31 pm

    Jason Ditz at Antiwar has the scoop on Netanyahu negotiating the level of Israeli lobbying against the Iran deal in exchange for more military aid:
    http://news.antiwar.com/2015/07/15/after-iran-deal-obama-seeks-talks-on-buying-israels-acquiescence/

    There’s apparently a heavy foot on the AIPAC gas pedal, and the stirrings of a deal for how soon, and how much that foot is lifted, with Israel’s military leaders reportedly eager to nail the deal down, while the foreign ministry and Netanyahu believe they can squeeze more out of Obama by putting more pedal to the metal in lobbying Congress.

    How much more damage to Israel will its moderates tolerate? Menendez indicted, but well-funded to defend himself and to attack the President, while the Israel brand is now being co-sold on American airwaves with the Rush Limbaugh brand. Anyone of those elected officials potentially exposed as selling their vote in order to let Israel squeeze more military aid, for use in the hands of the Great Megalomaniac. All the indirection just adds to the depth of collapse of the ruse, when it comes.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      July 16, 2015, 4:54 pm

      “How much more damage to Israel will its moderates tolerate”

      Virtually every Jewish Israeli politican condemned the Iran deal, just as virtually every one of them cheerled the Gaza slaughter.

      There are no ‘moderates’ in Israel.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        July 16, 2015, 5:26 pm

        Virtually every Jewish Israeli politican condemned the Iran deal, just as virtually every one of them cheerled the Gaza slaughter.

        Sure there are! But to quote Jabotinsky on the subject of Zionism:

        … there are no meaningful differences between our “militarists” and our “vegetarians.”

        http://www.danielpipes.org/3510/the-iron-wall-we-and-the-arabs

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 16, 2015, 8:02 pm

        Gush Shalom is in Israel. Gush Shalom is moderate. Meretz is moderate. It has five seats in the knesset. not a lot but it is there.

      • John O
        John O
        July 17, 2015, 2:29 pm

        @yonahfredman

        “Gush Shalom is in Israel. Gush Shalom is moderate. Meretz is moderate. It has five seats in the knesset. not a lot but it is there.”

        The apartheid government in South Africa was happy to have a lone opposition MP – Helen Suzman – sit in its Parliament, safe in the knowledge that she could achieve nothing. Nothing other than to be a light unto nations, a concept they did not understand.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 16, 2015, 4:59 pm

      How much more damage to Israel will its moderates tolerate?

      What’s wrong with a little, or preferably a lot, of damage? Those who had a modicum of intelligence already left or are leaving.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 17, 2015, 9:52 am

      H.Res.367 just introduced in the House to kill the Iran Deal.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        July 17, 2015, 11:40 am

        So what will Israel be promised when this deal hopefully passes through the U.S. congress or through the veto process? More weapons, veto of the UN Palestinian statehood movement? What will they squeeze out of the U.S.?

        Can Obama execute an executive order on the Iran deal if those who oppose the deal are successful at trumping a Presidential veto?

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 17, 2015, 11:28 am

      “How much more damage to Israel will its moderates tolerate?”

      Are you trying to be funny? Illegal settlers, their international supporters, the military and, everybody is telling me “the Orthodox” run Israel.
      And for gawd’s sake, Doppler, what on earth, in terms of Zionism, is a “moderate”? What on earth can be “moderate” about a colonizing project? That’s a pretty extreme thing to do, especially under the auspices of a religion, isn’t it?

  18. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 17, 2015, 11:36 am

    All we are hearing from those who oppose the Iran deal is how this deal could allegedly “pave the way for Iran to acquire nuclear weapons” Why is it that we do not hear anyone start with the fact that Iran as a signatory to the NPT has the legal right to enrich uranium up to 20%. That Iran is giving up a great deal.
    What are the possibilities that this historic deal may “pave” the way to a nuclear free middle east? Or “pave” the way towards more pressure being applied to Israel, Pakistan and India to sign the NPT?

  19. iResistDe4iAm
    iResistDe4iAm
    July 20, 2015, 9:47 am

    Noah Pollak tells us what Subchapter 10 is.
    — “Nuclear deal includes pledge that US to help Iran thwart Israeli sabotage of nuclear facilities. Obama-Iran alliance.”

    He quotes the following text:
    “10. Co-operation through training and workshops to strengthen Iran’s ability to protect against, and respond to nuclear security threats, INCLUDING SABOTAGE, as well as to enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical protection systems.”

    To point out the obvious:
    – Subchapter 10 is designed to protect Iran’s peaceful nuclear facilities (similar to other nation’s facilities) from sabotage, theft and/or attack by terrorists.
    – Subchapter 10 doesn’t mention Israeli sabotage, but Pollak does — he is upset that Israeli terrorism against Iran’s nuclear facilities may be thwarted.

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