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Jimmy Carter has written a new book, called A Full Life. The Israel Palestine issue is coming up of course in press coverage, with the usual talk about Carter’s title for his 2006 book, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid. Carter has defended his use of the term by pointing out that Palestinians have no rights. And press coverage has been surprisingly favorable to Carter.

Nicholas Kristof in the New York Times today tries, a little bit anyway, to remove the smear of Carter:

The press and chattering class have often been merciless to Carter. Early on, cartoons mocked him as a country rube using an outhouse or associating with pigs, writers pilloried him as a sanctimonious hick, and in recent years it has been common to hear that he’s anti-Israel or anti-Semitic (This about the man whose Camp David accord ensured Israel’s future!).Now that Carter is 90 and has been an ex-president longer than anyone in history, it’s time to correct the record.Now that Carter is 90 and has been an ex-president longer than anyone in history, it’s time to correct the record.

Brian Lehrer interviewed Carter on WNYC two days ago and was very positive toward the former president, given the New York audience. “Even if you don’t agree with all of President Carter’s views, like on Israel or whatever, he is been admirable…  in the way he has used his post presidency for good all over the world the way he sees it.”

During the interview, Lehrer asked Carter why the response to the Palestine book was so “painful…. Were you surprised that such a title would bring condemnation?”

Carter said:

I really was because i was very careful not to mention Israel. And the rest of the title said, Peace Not Apartheid…. and I’ve always regretted very deeply the alienation of some of my previous supporters in America and some of the folks in Israel that appreciates that I brought them peace with Egypt, but the use of the word apartheid was I think distorted and to my grievance.

So you’d write the same book again, with a different title, Lehrer asked. Carter:

Ahh– I probably would if I had to do it over again. I would make it more clear. I’m willing to point out, If we did have peace and justice for the Palestinians, there would be no need for apartheid or depriving the Palestinians  of a full citizenship rights within their own government.

Lehrer jumped in to say that Hamas has rejected Israeli offers, and Israelis would say Hamas is opposed to Israel’s existence, committed to its destruction. Carter pointed out there is plenty of blame to go around, but he stressed Israel’s responsibility. Carter:

I think though now that the Netanyahu government, particularly the newly reconstituted government, since he was reelected, has rejected a two state solution completely. And every nation on earth so far as I know supports the two state solution, including the United States and the United Nations and so forth, except Israel. So I think that has been the final nail in the coffin, at least for the time being. And because of the Israelis’ rejection of a two state solution, the United States has basically withdrawn for the first time in modern history from the role of an interlocutor or mediator.

 

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2015, 1:39 pm

    While it’s true that Netanyahu has defied the two state solution during his campaign to keep his seat, he has since fudged the issue, although all know he’s full of BS in the matter, it still remains that Carter is seen as a wimpy sap by the US Establishment government and main media –recall, he was not invited to the Democratic Party finals last time around, and nothing changed I can see. Habitat For Humanity is a loser in media eyes; it’s not even recognized–they rather focus on Bush Jr’s shitty painting. Puke.

    • Krauss
      Krauss
      July 9, 2015, 6:34 pm

      It’s too bad Carter is so milquetoast until the very end.

      He should have been more forceful on the Apartheid label from the start instead about whining about “misunderstandings”. If Lehrer wanted to have a fight then Carter should have jumped in and demolished him with facts. Instead he laments about howhis “former supporters” now view him, as if these people are even worth having as supporters. Sure, Carter does firm his back toward the end of the interview, but the general feeling of squishyness is intact.

      Still, you gotta have guts to write a book with that title in 2006. In 2016 it won’t be seen as controversial, but back then – as if this is ancient history – it was.
      So cred where cred is due.

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      July 11, 2015, 6:20 pm

      Jimmy Carter as “wimpy sap”? Nonsense. Objections raised against Carter are raised specifically because he has the courage to speak out, regarding oppression of the Palestinians.

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 12, 2015, 12:43 pm

        What a great point!

  2. ckg
    ckg
    July 9, 2015, 2:09 pm

    It will be interesting to see if Carter is invited to the 2016 DNC convention. Dershowitz convinced Obama to shun Carter in 2008, keeping him away from the convention. If the nominee is Hillary, I’m sure she’ll be no different.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 9, 2015, 2:52 pm

      I’m sure Mr Carter appreciates not having been part of conventions that define Jerusalem as capital of the racist pirate state.
      The more he’s kept outside, the more honest people the Dim party loses.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        July 9, 2015, 6:22 pm

        Anybody who watched and heard that Democratic Covention vote on primetime US TV about the amendment re Jerusalem as capital of Israel knows that the American voter is held in total contempt by the political leadership. The guy with the gavel just cut off the people’s voice after some unknown old women walked over and whispered in his ear. The main media never pursued that incident.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 9, 2015, 7:01 pm

        “The main media never pursued that incident”, as you say, but the TV-watching morons all saw it and continue to vote regardless. Lots of things in the last years to make us particularly optimistic about our future.

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      July 10, 2015, 12:34 pm

      I’m shocked that Dershowitz isn’t in prison. Former president Carter is an honorable man, more so, than any Zionist.

      Including Hillary Clinton.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    July 9, 2015, 2:20 pm

    RE: “The press and chattering class have often been merciless to Carter. Early on, cartoons mocked him as a country rube using an outhouse or associating with pigs, writers pilloried him as a sanctimonious hick, and in recent years it has been common to hear that he’s anti-Israel or anti-Semitic (This about the man whose Camp David accord ensured Israel’s future!)” ~ Nicholas Kristof

    MY COMMENT: I recall back in the 1980s Netanyahu (when he was Israeli ambassador to the United Nations) calling Carter a “third-rate intellect” on network television here in the U.S. (perhaps on the “Today” program).

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 9, 2015, 6:28 pm

      Jimmy Carter
      6. Jimmy Carter
      Wikimedia Commons
      Jimmy Carter

      James Earl “Jimmy” Carter, Jr. served as the 39th president of the US from 1977 to 1981. He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002 for his work in advancing human rights around the world and has an IQ of 153 by Simonton’s estimates.

      Carter graduated from the Naval Academy in 1946 and was elected Governor of Georgia in 1970. After he was elected president — beating Gerald Ford by 56 electoral votes — he enacted a number of important policies throughout his four years, including a national energy policy and civil service reform.

      Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-15-smartest-us-presidents-of-all-time-2015-3?op=1#ixzz3fR5fGkin

      Benjamin Netanyahu is alleged to have an IQ of 180
      Benjamin Netanyahu was listed as number 11 on The World’s 50 Most Influential Figures 2010, by The New Statesman and according to townhall.com, has an IQ of 180.

      Netanyahu left MIT in 1973 to fight in the Yom Kippur War, when hostilities concluded he returned and earned a B.S.in Architecture.

      Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-smartest-people-in-the-world-2011-3?op=1#ixzz3fR7jbhX9

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia
        July 10, 2015, 8:16 am

        What a waste? IQ 180!
        One needs IQ around 71 to convince Americans what Bibi Netanyahu has managed to convince .
        In the same vein I would add that it also applies to Israeli citizen . They have been showered with anti Muslim,anti Arab anti Iranian canard for last 70 yrs . Now they don’t need it. They create their own myth about
        Iran ,Hamas,and Syrian and ignores the olive branches offered to them . They look at the wrappings of the chocolate and reject to look at it. Otherwise how one could explain the Israeli mortal fear of its enemies and how one can get so wrapped up in the
        old hackneyed refrain like – they want to dr won us in the sea,
        ,they won’t recognize us, they want us to be wiped off the map ,
        they hate us for our achievement …. etc and there are more .

      • CigarGod
        CigarGod
        July 10, 2015, 9:40 am

        180?
        I don’t buy it.
        Making one’s country and people more hated, less safe, subjected to growing boycotts, named in war crimes investigations, choosing to partner with the most hysterical members of his society, seems a product of a much lower IQ, to me.
        Myth of his IQ, seems more like a product of his PR desk.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 2:07 pm

        “Making one’s country and people more hated, less safe, subjected to growing boycotts, named in war crimes investigations, choosing to partner with the most hysterical members of his society, seems a product of a much lower IQ, to me”

        Because you are making the basic mistake of thinking Zionism judges itself, or we can judge Zionism, as something which is supposed to benefit all Jews, or even the Jews in Israel. Like there’s supposed to be some kind of Jewish socialism.
        But if you look at Zionism as something which, out of the only assets we had left, misery and ignorance, and a power vacuum in Palestine, a small number of Zionists managed to squeeze fantastic benefits, the intelligence is obvious.

      • catalan
        catalan
        July 10, 2015, 3:00 pm

        “You don’t wanna start talking about crucifixion and how people end up crucified. – ” Mooser
        On second thought, I agree. Living through your nineties in perfect health, enjoying fabulous wealth and fame, having been a politician and a president for years, does sound like a horrid destiny. You know, because the Jewish media didn’t heap enough praise on him.
        I would much rather be a mining worker in Zimbabwe or a Gambian farm worker. Poor Carter, so vilified by these Jews. Is there like a donation fund for Carter somewhere. I want to contribute so that the poor guy can buy another estate. Oh, the sordid story of American Wasps.

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        July 10, 2015, 4:54 pm

        RE: “according to townhall.com, has an IQ of 180” ~ Citizen

        MY REPLY: Personally, I do not consider townhall.com a credible source for anything. Also, 180 seems to be a bit too nice and even a number as compared to the likes of 153.
        Anyway, the point is that Netanyahu had the audacity to dismiss as a “third-rate intellect” the former U.S. President “whose Camp David accord [had] ensured Israel’s future” (at least according to Nicholas Kristof).

        P.S. SEE: “Bibi and The 180 IQ, by Daniel Frank, 3 April 2014

        [EXCERPT] There is an urban legend going around on the internet that Benjamin Netanyahu has an IQ of 180; roughly 0.0000001% percent of the population or every 1 in 3.5 million people. This would give him a higher IQ than pretty much every famous genius ever. The origin of this stems from a 1999 Michael Hirsh article about Ehud Barak describing him as someone with an IQ of 180. This was not a statement of fact, but a mere way of describing Barak as a smart person. Somehow this morphed into a ‘confirmed internet fact’ that (Ehud’s political rival at the time) Bibi has an IQ of 180. . .

        CONTINUED AT – http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bibi-and-the-180-iq/

  4. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 9, 2015, 2:31 pm

    Among the many, many things that make me despise Zionists is their constant smearing of President Carter, one of the few decent human beings to ever hold that office. A guy who holds up ACME bomb cartoons at the UN calling Carter a “third-rate intellect”? You can’t make this stuff up!

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      July 9, 2015, 4:58 pm

      I would add the way Zionists have bought, bribed, and threatened the press into carrying out that smear. When the press is not free, democracy does not exist. America’s press is in its own “media Gaza”. And they complain about being roped off by Hillary.

      Have to concede though, their sheer power is impressive, evil as it is.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        July 10, 2015, 1:27 pm

        “Media Gaza,” nice JW. Or maybe it is a burka that zionists have forced on reporting of their grand project to hide its real face.

  5. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2015, 6:48 pm

    Seems to me anybody who thinks any ideology or religion deserves to be supreme has no mental integrity or good grasp of history. What do you think about this?

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2015, 6:52 pm

    Well, SCOTUS has decided money is King. This reality does not name a king, but it shows what surpasses all–the reality in USA is those who are richest will dictate US foreign and domestic policy. All you can do is watch this take place.

  7. July 9, 2015, 9:17 pm

    Lets call a spade a spade. Carter was crucified by the Jewish MSM because he had the audacity to speak out honestly against the madness of Israel. I think that he was one of the best and most honest US Presidents.

    • catalan
      catalan
      July 9, 2015, 9:29 pm

      “Lets call a spade a spade. Carter was crucified by the Jewish MSM because he had the audacity to speak out honestly – ”
      Crucifixion was an awful punsishment which led to death through horrific pain. That you use this term to compare the life of a wealthy American politician with patrician existence and every known luxury shows just how unhinged you are. The man is enjoying his nineties with a pension for four years of work. It just fails as a metaphor and betrays a reality split.
      It’s like saying that Arianna Grande was crucified by the media for licking donuts. No proportion. The media is there to criticize not give praise to all these privileged blowhards.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 9, 2015, 10:11 pm

        That “Catalan” comedy is endless. Now he suddenly forgets about metaphoric usage, of which he makes very abundant use otherwise –mostly less appropriate. Anyway, nice try. The question was not what exactly, but who by?
        The other words come and go; thanks for giving us an opportunity to re[eat all that without any metaphors.
        “President Carter was immorally, disgracefully attacked, boycotted and vilified without any of the up to now usual minimum of pretend-polite behaviour by the Jewish MSM because he had the audacity, not exactly to speak out honestly but at least to remind us of the most unbearable excesses of the Zionist criminals”. Happy now?

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 10, 2015, 12:13 am

        Carter has made numerous top 5 lists as either THE or one of the top 5 worst presidents the US has ever had. He may have been earnest but earnestness doesn’t count for much. About the only thing I wouldn’t fault him for was the hostage rescue disaster. it took some balls to ‘ok’ that mission and he was dependent on his generals advise.

      • Qualtrough
        Qualtrough
        July 10, 2015, 1:14 am

        Stop it Catalan! Your comments are killing me!

      • Donald
        Donald
        July 10, 2015, 8:17 am

        Any list that has Carter as one of the five worst Presidents, let alone the worst, is clearly idiotic. He wouldn’t be on the top five either– his record was mixed. His successor represented the reactionary trend in American politics at the time. Americans after Vietnam and Watergate wanted to be told how wonderful they were, and Carter didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear. Reagan’s comforting BS was more what they wanted for a President. Carter put solar panels on the White House. Reagan removed them. Carter was a lousy politician sometimes, but he had a much better sense of where the country needed to go.

        The worst thing about Carter was that, like all Presidents, he supported mass murderers in his foreign policy–notably in East Timor. But Reagan was much worse.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 10, 2015, 9:48 am

        On Carter as president: I certainly cannot comment on top 5 worst presidents, I can barely identify Zachary Taylor or Pierce, so I lack the knowledge of the pre FDR era to really comment.

        Carter was a strange duck who won a fluke election. Maybe because I read the letters and journals of Arthur Schlesinger Jr. a few months ago and he was no fan of Carter’s, but I am of the opinion that Carter was a mediocre politician. He lacked the basic shmoozing factor of politics, precisely that which Obama lacks, was missing in Carter as well. His greatest accomplishment was getting elected and whereas Obama has left us with Obamacare, Carter had no singular domestic achievement of that sort. Carter’s probably worst accomplishment was bringing Reagan into office. (Of course it was the American people who did that, but Carter with his “I asked Amy what the most important issue is” didn’t really help matters much himself.) His abandonment of the Shah and losing Iran to the Ayatollahs, is reminiscent of Obama’s abandonment of Mubarak and getting the Muslim Brotherhood in his stead, although in Obama’s case there was a coup to replace the Brotherhood with al Sisi. Carter’s campaign: I will not lie to you, really seems so prissy with the perspective of time and i think is symptomatic of a fluke victory of the presidential office. After Watergate the Republicans were very vulnerable and Ford was an unelected president who at the debates said that Eastern Europe was not under Soviet domination, who was ridiculed as a klutz and as a lightweight intellectually and Carter only managed to defeat him by the skin of his teeth.

        When someone recently suggested that Obama will follow Carter’s path towards being a troublemaker in his post presidency, (to you folks he’s a hero in his post presidency and indeed his participation in free elections and habitats for humanity are noble pursuits, but to my crowd his middle eastern stirring is troublemaking), I said, “No.” Obama is a very normal president compared to Carter. Obama would never have run for office if he had not been black (that is: he is humbler than Carter) and I believe in his post presidency he will involve himself in issues having to do with African Americans, but never having achieved anything in the middle east, with the possible exception of this “treaty” with Iran, he will not have the involvement and the history to back up a diplomatic shit stirring gig in the middle east.

        When Carter conceded defeat in 1980 (early in the evening ensuring the defeat of Democratic candidates for the senate in the west, another sign of his selfishness and his political obtuseness) his speech that night made me think: this guy’s not done. He still had something to prove and his post presidential career was devoted to proving that he is a great man.

        In my lifetime the US has had some strange politicians in the presidency. Carter was not the weirdest by far: Nixon was quite weird, just watch his resignation speech if you doubt that. But Carter’s personality and the presidency were really not a good match. And the lack of ability to shmooz (ask Tip o’neill whose politics were closer to Carter’s, but who got along better with Reagan) and his Bible thumping and his self righteousness, really I consider his rise to the presidency to be less explainable than any of the other politicians since Harry Truman.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 10:56 am

        “Crucifixion was an awful punsishment which led to death through horrific pain.”

        Pssst! “Catalan”! Over here, where they can’t hear us. Good buddy, ‘ixnay’ on the crucifixion stuff. You don’t wanna start talking about crucifixion and how people end up crucified. If I were you, I’d get down off that particular Golgotha, m’okay?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 10:58 am

        “On Carter as president: I certainly cannot comment on top 5 worst presidents, I can barely identify Zachary Taylor or Pierce, so I lack the knowledge of the pre FDR era to really comment.”

        Very true. But I would have scrolled past the rest even without your gracious warning.

      • ckg
        ckg
        July 10, 2015, 11:22 am

        DaBakr: Carter has made numerous top 5 lists as either THE or one of the top 5 worst presidents the US has ever had.

        Wikipedia has catalogued 18 notable scholar surveys that rank presidents–16 surveys since 1982. The lowest Carter ranks in any notable scholar survey is 34 of 40. On average, he ranks 27 of 43 in the middle of the third quartile.

      • michelle
        michelle
        July 10, 2015, 9:03 pm

        .
        @ Catalan
        i hope your day has been good
        m
        if one were to use your measure on the issue of the
        BDS/peaceful protests/and such toward the Israel squats
        one might query why is Israel behaving as if it is being crucified
        after all as you stated; ” The media is there to criticize not give
        praise to all these privileged blowhards.”
        .
        why is Israel so weak it can’t handle the truth
        .
        in so many ways J. Carter is and will always be a good example
        his efforts will always encourage people to take a closer look at
        Palestine/Israel/The Middle East and our worlds relationship with the truth
        .
        G-d Bless
        .

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 10, 2015, 1:17 am

      @catalan

      Grow up. Someone being crucified as in that context is a modern figure of speech. You know that. I thought you wanted to hone your debating skills. Displaying the basic dishonesty of your personality is not a debating skill.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2015, 11:01 am

        “Displaying the basic dishonesty of your personality is not a debating skill.”

        I don’t know if it is a “debating skill”, but I sure as hell know that exhibiting the basic dishonesty of your personality, (and being macher enough to show it) is a way to show you’ve ‘made it’, that you’re all-right.

    • RockyMissouri
      RockyMissouri
      July 10, 2015, 12:41 pm

      TRUTH.

  8. can of worms
    can of worms
    July 10, 2015, 1:53 am

    Carter: “If we did have peace and justice for the Palestinians, there would be no need for apartheid or depriving the Palestinians of a full citizenship rights within their own government.” That’s the words of a gatekeeper for the left, promoting a 2ss.

    With a 2ss, he’s saying, there is going to be “no need for depriving Palestinians” of their equality.

    Well here’s a message to the Palestinian citizen’ grassroots, following Malcolm X. Every time you look at yourself, be you black, brown, red, or yellow — a so-called “Arab” — you represent a person who poses a serious problem for Israel because you’re not wanted. As long as you’re not wanted, “there is going to be a need” for depriving you of your equality.

    You aren’t deprived of equality ’cause there is or isn’t an occupation. You aren’t deprived of equality ’cause Hamas rules Gaza. You aren’t deprived of equality ’cause you’re Muslim or Christian or Druze or Bedouin. You don’t get barred from heading the JNF or the Israel Lands Authority or the National Insurance Institute because you happen to vote for the Zionist List or for Balad. And you sure don’t catch hell when you rise to protest ’cause you’re an Israeli; ’cause if you was an Israeli, you wouldn’t catch no hell. You catch hell ’cause you’re an “Arab”.

    So we are all “Arabs”, the living failures of Zionism. You don’t like to be told that. But what else are you? You are nothing but an ethnically cleansed failure of Zionism, whom they tucked away inside a ghetto so you’ll always have inequality. Whether in a section of a “mixed city” or in a segregated town, whether in Haifa or in ar-Rama, you didn’t come to the ghetto on the Aliya Boat. You were brought to the ghetto by Europeans who came here on the Aliya Boat. You were herded to the ghetto by the so-called Halutzim, the “Pioneers”. They were the ones who put you here.

    We have one thing in common: We have a common oppressor, a common exploiter, and a common discriminator, the Zionist. It was the grass roots in the street that always scared the Israeli Zionist to death, just like it was the grassroots that scared the white power structure in Washington, D. C. to death. They say, “These Palestinian Arabs are doing things on their own. They’re running ahead of us.”

    The Zionist knows that the internet revolution is world-wide in scope and in nature. The anti-Zionist revolution is sweeping the grassroots everywhere, because for ordinary working people injustice against Palestinians symbolizes what is wrong with their own government, and their own power structure.

    So some old shrewd foxes say, “Well we’ll put us at the head of it. We’ll join BDS, we’ll spread the 2ss message.” It’s just like when you’ve got some coffee that’s too black, which means it’s too strong. What you do? You integrate it with cream. It used to be hot, it becomes cool. It It used to wake you up, now it’ll put you to sleep.

    If you really don’t want to be “deprived of your equality”, what you need is to get out of the ghetto. That means you need a revolution in your mind.

    Whoever heard of a revolution where the leader of a so-called “Arab Party” goes to the Zionist government, and begs to sit on “committees” to “discuss” “reforms”? Just tell me. Whoever heard of a revolution where a so-called “Arab Party” gives up human rights? Whoever heard of a leader who gives up the right of return of Palestinian refugees to their homes?

    It’s just like the colonizers of old who took a few of the Natives and gave them a little education — a little education; that made all the others look up to them. Then they used them to control the others. The same strategy is used today, by the Zionists. They take a so-called “Arab”, and make him prominent, build him up, publicize him, make him a celebrity. And then he becomes a spokesman for “Arabs” — and an “Arab” leader.

    Carter is right. “There is going to be no need for depriving Palestinians of equality.” You’ll do it yourselves. Some of you like being in the ghetto. You like being “deprived of equality”, it makes you feel safe and familiar. A few of you even pay three times as much to get ahead, and then brag about “I’m the only Arab out here.” “I’m the only one on my job.” “I’m the only one who’s a doctor for Jewish patients.” “I’m the only one in this school.”

    Some of you have begun to believe you’re Zionists. Imagine a Palestinian: “Our Zionist government”! I even heard one say, “our Israeli technology.” They won’t even let you near the Rafael plant — and “our scientists”! “Our army” — that’s an “Arab” that’s out of his mind.

    ———

    http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/message-to-grassroots/

    • Kris
      Kris
      July 10, 2015, 12:14 pm

      Brilliant, can of worms.

    • SQ Debris
      SQ Debris
      July 10, 2015, 3:00 pm

      Can(aan)of worms,
      “The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.”- Stephen Biko

      Zipping down a U.S. interstate with a newly arrived Palestinian from the OT. He suddenly grabs the dashboard and with a tight panic in his voice says, “You’re going too fast for the checkpoints!” I explained that there aren’t any. It was awful to watch his realization that what seemed to him to be a “normal” condition of life is uniquely oppressive. He was barely old enough to remember a day without checkpoints. The occupation has made terrible inroads into people’s minds. I hope that educators there are addressing this occupation of cognition.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      July 10, 2015, 6:59 pm

      Can of worms
      I did get what you said in your very good Malcolm X comparison about the cream in the coffee and the grooming of the ‘Arabs’ with a ‘little education’ just to keep them under control and manageable. Are you also Palestinian?

      I totally agree that the PA is not only useless, but also complicit in acquiescing to giving up the ROR plus doing their dirty work for Israel in the WB.

      But unfortunately I believe there will be a massacre if a general uprising happens. Israelis have so much military power that they never hesitate to use at full capacity and mercilessly. With what will the Palestinians defend themselves? Will the Saudis come to their rescue? Hisbollah ? Iran ?? The result…Massacre. I had a taste of what could be in store… I was in Beirut Summer of 1982, and there were no drones ,or fleshed bombs either, in’82 . I wouldn’t wish same on my worst enemy !! Me, sitting faraway comfortably from my armchair agonising offers absolutely no help at all !!

      I never advocate ‘lie down and surrender to status quo’ like sheep. America has to do something right for a change and put the brakes on their total unquestioning support. But with Hillary looming in the background like a Witch of the West …we can expect the worst.

      BDS is beginning to bite and American Jews are starting to be aware and react , especially the young. This might be the only hope for peaceful change.

      If only the Palestinians had the right kind of Leadership but it is a bit late now after all the fiascos and mistakes.
      It breaks my heart to find us all at such an impasse …….70 years , and it keeps getting worse and worse.
      —————————————————–

      • Bornajoo
        Bornajoo
        July 10, 2015, 7:38 pm

        Thanks for your comment Bintbiba
        Can of worms fusion of the Palestinian issue with Malcolm X was really good. Malcolm X’s message was that real undiluted and un-infiltrated unity is real power which can bring about real change, the real revolution. Unfortunately the Zionists realised this a long time ago. There is evidence (from Israeli sources) that it was the Zionists who initially supported Hamas in order to split up and divide and rule the Palestinians. It seems to have worked. Ironically it is now Hamas that are the real resistance.

        So within Palestine you have 3 separate groups: 1.5 million Palestinians living in israel as Israeli citizens but without equal rights; 1.8m Palestinians living in occupied/under siege Gaza currently governed by Hamas and 2.5m Palestinians living in the occupied wb under the governance of the PA.

        All neatly divided up and ruled. And look what happened when the PA and Hamas announced a unity government in 2014, the Zionists bombed Gaza to smithereens under the pretence of the 3 teens

        The Zionists know full well the power of unity and will do everything in their power to ensure that these 3 groups remain as separate and disunited as possible. That’s how they keep the enterprise going

        unfortunately I cannot see the Palestinian citizens in israel ever joining mass protests with the other 2 groups and israel benefits greatly from the squabble between the PA and Hamas

        Malcolm X was absolutely right, unfortunately the Zionists understood this too.

        What will stop this is the disintegration of the American Empire because all of this is enabled by the Empire. Without the Empire it would fall to pieces.

        Apart from that we have to hope that bds and social media eventually has the desired effect!

        I have no idea how you have endured this for so long

      • can of worms
        can of worms
        July 11, 2015, 3:04 am

        The Palestinian struggle is part of a people’s struggle against things like neoliberalism and racial capitalism. That’s the first thing.

        As SQ Debris says @Steve Biko: we need to make the unconscious conscious — and we need to see that “what seems to us to be a ‘normal’ condition of life is uniquely oppressive.” I want to move the discourse to the “normal” condition of Israel’s segregated cities.

        I’m trying to focus for a moment on the lies you and I (not to speak of Zionist Israelis) have been unconsciously telling ourselves about Israel’s internal segregation. It’s the default set of assumptions. We just all have to be huddled up right next to each other like sardines, because that’s the way it is. You know, we sardines help each other out.

        Well that’s fine. But no one, collectively, has the right to tell you where to live and where you can’t live, and I’m sure not going to be a sardine just because someone else, a Zionist, wants me to live like a sardine or I represent for him or her a “clash of nations.”

        While we are educated enough to know “there’s no such a thing as separate but equal,” we are unconsciously afraid. In a hypothetical future, how can our kids be in public schools where they will be laughed at by indoctrinated anti-Arab kids, or where they will be humiliated because they are poor? How can Jewish kids with their green grassy lawns and swimming pools look at our kids? Our kids have suffered way too much as it is!

        We have to become conscious of the consequences of our unconscious actions. Once we realize what we are afraid of, we can implement solutions: reparations, economic compensation and affirmative action. We weren’t always living in ghettos; and we didn’t come to the ghetto on an Aliya Boat. But — oh, a Palestinian Minister of Education, how unthinkable!

        Now, if you looked at Zionists on MW, some of them don’t even acknowledge the existence of segregation in Israel, imagine. Segregation is such a given that it is invisible.

        Remember Beinart: “clash of nations”. A 1ss would be horrible because of a natural and inherent Clash of Civilizations. Again, look how segregation is the default set of assumptions. He doesn’t know how many intermarriages will be going on. Of course, the mere thought of all that miscegenation must make some racist hairs stand on end.

        Just wait until kids start going to the same schools and adults are working in the same level jobs. Just wait until Palestinian families buy the houses next door. I tell you segregation is the Occupation’s baby finger.

        It’s the finger that doesn’t have any muscle, or grip on itself. Cause it’s been taken for granted. You can twist that finger backwards. Segregation is the basis of the Jewish State, and they’ve never had to even so much as see it.

        So that’s one thing. We have to focus on our own consciousness. And yes, they’ll hit back. But imagine a Western democracy shooting down its own citizens because they’re demanding racial desegregation.

  9. WH
    WH
    July 10, 2015, 2:44 am

    Perhaps Carter has done a few good things in his life, but the one thing for which history should never forgive him is the devastastion and consequent radicalisation of Afghanistan thanks to his massive support for the warlords and undermining of democracy.

    • wfleitz
      wfleitz
      July 10, 2015, 10:23 am

      Yes, and also as Chomsky pointed out in Manufacturing Consent, he poured arms to the Suharto regime during the worst period of the East Timor genocide.

      • SQ Debris
        SQ Debris
        July 10, 2015, 1:36 pm

        Yes, Carter was a mixed bag, but don’t forget that his first act as president was pardoning the war resistors. That had a huge impact on the lives of many of my contemporaries/comrades in the anti-war movement. It wasn’t a small thing. And it didn’t help his chances of reelection among the veins-in-the-teeth voters, otherwise known as “moderates” of the time.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 11, 2015, 12:12 am

        “Yes, Carter was a mixed bag, but don’t forget that his first act as president was pardoning the war resistors.”

        He didn’t do much for the capacitors, though.

    • bintbiba
      bintbiba
      July 10, 2015, 7:52 pm

      Thank you Bornajoo , for your thoughtful and measured comment.

      …..”What will stop this is the disintegration of the American Empire because all of this is enabled by the Empire. Without the Empire it would fall to pieces.

      Apart from that we have to hope that bds and social media eventually has the desired effect!”

  10. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 10, 2015, 3:52 am

    DaBakr July 10, 2015, 12:13 am “Carter has made numerous top 5 lists as either THE or one of the top 5 worst presidents the US has ever had. He may have been earnest but earnestness doesn’t count for much. About the only thing I wouldn’t fault him for was the hostage rescue disaster. it took some balls to ‘ok’ that mission and he was dependent on his generals advise.”

    Those same polls probably list GW and Reagan at or near the top, which goes to show how valuable they are. Given the damage those two did to the US and the rest of the world it is simply astounding that Carter would figure on any worst president list.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 10, 2015, 9:38 pm

      @qt

      no. most of the lists had GW on it. Nixon too. Not Reagan however.

  11. rosross
    rosross
    July 10, 2015, 8:50 am

    A recent article here talked about the mental illness at work in Israeli society and culture and this is yet another reminder of the utter stupidity of the Israelis.

    By making two states impossible they have made one state inevitable and that state will have a Palestinian majority and it may not be called Israel. It may not be called Palestine either but it certainly will not be called Israel I suspect.

    By wanting all of Palestine and being deluded enough to think they could drive out or kill nearly six million Palestinians – one is struck by the magic number – or hold them under permanent brutal military occupation forever, Israel has ensured there will never be a Jewish State, which is probably all for the best, and neither is there likely to be an enduring State of Israel.

    And it is all their own work. One own goal after the next and no-one intelligent enough in any Israeli Government to see what they were doing.

  12. michelle
    michelle
    July 10, 2015, 2:44 pm

    .
    Israel has always rejected two states
    Israel has always rejected one state
    Israel has always rejected any plan that would join them with ‘others’
    Israel has always said and done whatever it wants
    with no true regard for itself or for any & all others
    Israel is its own holocaust
    Israel will never bring peace or happiness to Israel
    .
    G-d Bless
    .

  13. Bornajoo
    Bornajoo
    July 10, 2015, 5:15 pm

    “Israel has always rejected any plan that would join them with ‘others’” (Michelle)

    Precisely Michelle. +1!

    • michelle
      michelle
      July 10, 2015, 6:05 pm

      .
      Greetings Bornajoo
      i hope your day has been filled with the best of the blessings of life
      m

      this is one of many times where i want so badly to be wrong
      Israel should have been a great wonderful true example
      all i can do is cry when i see what Israel is
      .
      G-d Bless
      .

  14. JohnWV
    JohnWV
    July 13, 2015, 5:16 pm

    Israel kills Palestinian families and children with American attack jets and white phosphorous. Israel jails Palestinians and Palestinian children cruelly and indefinitely. Israel defines itself as a Jewish state and, by supremacist apartheid enforcement, validates that definition. We Americans resist believing, or even comprehending, the horror. This June 18, 2012 excerpt from Times of India facilitates understanding of the Jewish state’s behavior.

    RABBI OVADIA Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is the former Chief Rabbi of Israel and the spiritual leader of the Shas party, Israels “kingmaker” party. In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: “Goyim” [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.” According to Yosef, death has “no dominion” over non-Jews in Israel. “With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

    MENACHEM BEGIN [….]

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