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“Love” was the word I heard most often Sunday in San Francisco from people mourning the deadliest mass shooting in American history, which took the lives of at least 49 at a gay nightclub, Pulse, in Orlando early Sunday morning. In a phone call to 911, the shooter, now dead, declared allegiance to the Islamic State, police say.

“God is love,” said one man, Daniel Borysewicz, a hospice pastor.

“Muslims are about love and the sanctity of life just like Christians, just like Buddhists, all different types of people who look on the side of love. Because God is love, no matter how you wrap him up, or her or wrap them up. It’s a matter of…God is love..and the love that we share with human beings is the connection we have with God because that’s how God manifests in our lives. It is the love we share with each other.”

Another man, a Latino gay rights activist, said love was the foundation of the unity marginalized groups need to show in the face of hatred.

“Love is love,” said Salvador Tovar. “We’re going to stand united. Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Atheists, everyone here. We’re standing together for our brothers and sisters whose lives were taken. Regardless of your religion, regardless of your sexual identity, regardless if you are straight, gay, bisexual, love is love.”

I asked: “What would you say to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders right now?”

“Love is love,” he said. “We’re going to stand equal. Or they will take us one by one.”

Both men, members of the city’s LGBT community, rallied and marched with thousands of others down Market Street on Sunday night, a show of defiance and unity against anti-gay bigotry and gun violence itself. In the speeches by local politicians, activists and parents of gun violence victims, Islamophobia, homophobia and the National Rifle Association were San Francisco’s common enemy, not Islam or Muslims. Thousands cheered when David Campos, a gay city council member, said the community would not respond with bigotry towards Muslims.

Love is San Francisco’s best defense, but love has enemies. Those enemies sometimes win.

Mourners in the Castro district watch as speakers plead for peace. (Photo: Wilson Dizard)

Mourners in the Castro district watch as speakers plead for peace. (Photo: Wilson Dizard)

The gruesome, hours long attack in Orlando, which police say was carried out by Omar Mateen, 29, an American of Afghan descent, was the work of a man who had a history of abusive behavior against his former wife and others. His father maintains that his son, who died in the attack, hated gay people and became enraged seeing two men kissing in front of his family. A security guard, his former coworkers call him unhinged, racist and sexist, NBC reports. He made disturbing statements to colleagues about Islam, but you’d probably think Mateen was a jerk no matter what religion he claimed to follow.

Eric Hubert, 94, a member of Grace Episcopal Church, said he didn’t blame Islam for this kind of killing.

“This is an American craziness,” he observed, adding that “Abraham is father to us all.”

With a history of angry outbursts, Mateen was the kind of guy who San Franciscans say should not have been able to legally purchase the semi-automatic assault weapon he used to slay dozens of people. There are already legal remedies that might stop this kind of massacre. California has started experimenting with a “Gun Violence Restraining Order,” or GVRO, that allows families or law enforcement to request courts issue GVROs on individuals who are threaten to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement then can take the weapons away.

But no such law exists in Florida, and there are minimal restrictions to gun ownership. So here I am writing about 49 people who were alive on Saturday, and had no idea they wouldn’t live to see the sun rise on Sunday.

By Monday, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, the Stonewall Jackson and George McClellan of American politics (both losers, in their own special ways) were duking it out in one of the first major battles of what promises to be an election season full of them. Although Clinton paid lip service to rejecting Islamophobia, her proposal for what to do about people like Mateen were similar to Trump’s.

In an interview with NPR‘s Steve Inskeep, Clinton laid out a “number of proposals to tackle this issue of self-radicalization.” They include “working with Silicon Valley to prevent online radicalization” and “creating more integrated intelligence use among all levels of law enforcement,” pulling from foreign and domestic sources, and, in her Trumpiest statement yet, the creation of a “broader database” of suspicious individuals.

Federal authorities reportedly interviewed Mateen several times about his flirtations with political violence, but never found evidence enough to charge him with anything.

Clinton’s targets for increased surveillance, and restrictions on owning a gun, would include “people who have expressed the kind of admiration and allegiance to terrorism.” Muslim communities across the United States have experienced what it’s like to be spied on, and Clinton’s proposals suggest nothing more than more surveillance. In New York City’s surveillance scheme for Muslims and mosques, a young man’s deciding not to drink was reason enough for suspicion. To Arab American leaders in the city, that kind of distrust did nothing but breed distrust with law enforcement.

Many might argue that he shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun because he was a despicable abuser of his wife. Instead of saying that, something based on known facts, Clinton is talking fluent Beltway-speak for: “We need to expand the surveillance state. There will be more money for that when I’m president.”

(Image: Carlos Latuff)

(Image: Carlos Latuff)

Trump, meanwhile, has said that we need to get “tough and smart” and that he would have a lot of “systems” to keep track of Muslims, and a total ban on Muslim coming into the United States. They’re a nightmarish cartoon drawn in childish crayon colors, but that’s just a less politically savvy way of saying what Clinton did. Expand the powers of the government and all will be well. In San Francisco, however, the emphasis was on love, not suspicion.

Mikail Ali, a Deputy Chief for Special Operations, addressed reporters about security for the next pride event. The local news reporters watched eagerly for signs that Ali might give their viewers something to worry about. Police circled Harvey Milk Plaza, named after San Francisco’s first openly gay city council member.

As the local news crews packed up and moved on, I asked Ali if they been threats against Muslims over the attack.

“We have not. We’re here and we’re also present at a mosque here in the city to make sure nothing adverse happens,” he said. “We’re passing by each one.”

I asked Ali if he was a Muslim himself.

“By coincidence, yes,” he said.

“How you and other Muslim officers dealing with this talk of surveilling Muslim communities?” I asked.

“We’re not even having that discussion right now,” he said. “We’re discussing having a discussion about supporting a community that is mourning and addressing whatever might develop as a result of this investigation.”

Meanwhile, on Twitter, Trump, who poses in pictures with cops regularly, was selling followers and potential voters on his prescient hot takes on Islam.

“Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism,” he tweeted Sunday. “I don’t want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!”

He also called on Obama to resign for not using the term “radical Islam.”

“Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn’t he should immediately resign in disgrace!”

So that’s the Donald for you. But Clinton, in the same interview where she promised to work with Silicon Valley (translation “generous information technology contracts for lucky techies”), also lost her first verbal battle to Trump, in an election where words really matter.

Trump wants to break down the barrier he sees in political correctness run amok. Like the Environmental Protection Agency keeping lead out of your children’s blood, political correctness when practiced by politicians helps keep racial slurs out of your children’s ears. It’s a thin membrane, and it’s fraying.

Her words show that Trump himself might be able to drag her to the right.

Clinton lost when she said responded to Trump’s criticism of Obama for not saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” And she lost badly, as Trump would say.

Clinton also lost an important rhetorical battle with Trump on Sunday morning. Using the term “radical Islam” or any combination of the words

“It matters what we do, not what we say,” Clinton proclaimed.

Tell that to anyone who has ever had “raghead” shouted at them from a passing car, and they’ll tell you the words we say matter, too. They’re deeds in their own right.

“Whether you call it radical jihadism or radical Islamism, I think they mean the same thing. I’m happy to say either. But that’s not the point. The point is Trump goes way too far,” she said.

Now that Sanders is out, Clinton is free to pivot away from the party’s left and start using terms like “radical Islamism.” Trump is pushing Clinton to inch to the right, prompting her call to expand surveillance of Americans. Why not use the term “radical Islamism” or “jihadism.” But this is the language of Fox News. It’s his language. Trump has Clinton talking like Trump does, and Clinton doesn’t think that matters that much.

“I have been hitting Obama and Crooked Hillary hard on not using the term Radical Islamic Terror. Hillary just broke-said she would now use!” he tweeted Monday morning.

If Clinton and Trump are going to reap the whirlwind this year in a dramatic political war for the soul of America, while Bernie Sanders stands nearby watching, then Clinton just lost the first battle. She lost because she suggested expanding the surveillance state, just as Trump does. She also failed to grasp the importance of not sticking the words “radical” and “Islam” and “jihadist” all around a sentence. It’s that kind of thing, repeated billions of times, that fertilizes the soil of society to grow the noxious weed that is Islamophobia.

In order to really mend the Democratic party, Clinton needs to stop just talking about Muslims, but rather take a line from Sanders and start speaking to Muslims themselves. That happened naturally with Sanders, with surrogates like Linda Sarsour acting as advocates for his campaign. Clinton might have a harder time gaining their trust, after treating them as a political liability in 2000, handing back cash to Muslims after getting cold feet about whether they supported Hamas or not, Electronic Intifada reports.

The rally in the Castro district on Sunday had a prominent Muslim voice. Suzanne Barakat, a Muslim doctor living in San Francisco, spoke at the Castro street rally. In 2015, she lost her brother, Deah, then 23, and two other relatives, Yusor Abu-Salha, Razan Abu-Salha to an angry white man with a gun in North Carolina. She and other members of the Muslim community consider it an attack motivated by hatred of Muslims.

“I am a physician at San Francisco General Hospital, a Syrian American and a Muslim,” Barakat began. “I work with colleagues, family members and serve with love patients who identify as members of the LGBT community. I know from first hand the pain and alienation that many of them experience. These tragedies are coming to us far too frequently. As a physician, I see them as symptom of a deeper illness: hatred, cruelty, intolerance. The cure for it is the medicine of love, kindness and compassion.”

“We are one people, who share the values of humanity and the shared values of the sanctity of life, and the freedom to live as we see fit. We reject your hatred, and we assert our love,” she said to cheers. “I pray and hope that as a nation we follow the example set by you here today.”

Love is one weapon to defeat bigotry, but so is passion and presence in public of the maligned. One member of the Christian clergy present Sunday called the thousands gathered at Harvey Milk Plaza to become more involved in confronting hatred.

“Out of the bars and into the streets!” proclaimed Megan Rohrer, pastor of Grace Lutheran Evangelical Church in San Francisco, to loud cheers from the audience, repeating a call to march made in San Francisco by gay rights activists decades before.

Rohrer added a 2016 twist, in calling for interfaith cooperation.

“We have also come out of our churches and into the streets! Out of our temples and into the streets! Out of our mosques and into the streets!”

About Wilson Dizard

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  1. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    June 14, 2016, 10:22 am

    I would really like to know where Trump and Clinton disagree on ANYTHING pertaining to the Middle East.

    I’ll wait.

  2. hophmi
    hophmi
    June 14, 2016, 10:53 am

    “Tell that to anyone who has ever had “raghead” shouted at them from a passing car, and they’ll tell you the words we say matter, too. They’re deeds in their own right”

    Of course words matter. But how is a clear ethnic slur like “raghead” the same thing as a term like “radical Islamic terrorism,” or “radical Salafism,” or any term that makes explicit what everyone, including Muslims, understands to be a perverse application of Islamic theology?

    How is it that people who are so, so quick to talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in terms of the forms of extreme Judaic ideology that they say informs Israeli behavior (like you all were with the ridiculous and offensive term “JSIL”) are also super reluctant to use any term to terrorism motivated by extremist Islamic theology that contains any form of the word “Islam” in it?

    • eljay
      eljay
      June 14, 2016, 11:06 am

      || hophmi: … how is a clear ethnic slur like “raghead” the same thing as a term like “radical Islamic terrorism,” or “radical Salafism,” or any term that makes explicit what everyone, including Muslims, understands to be a perverse application of Islamic theology?

      How is it that people who are so, so quick to talk about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in terms of the forms of extreme Judaic ideology that they say informs Israeli behavior … are also super reluctant to use any term to terrorism motivated by extremist Islamic theology that contains any form of the word “Islam” in it? ||

      I agree with you. People should not be afraid to use the term “radical Islamic terrorism” to describe acts of injustice and immorality motivated by a perverse application of Islamic theology.

      Similarly, people should not be afraid to use the term “radical Jewish terrorism” to describe acts of injustice and immorality motivated by a perverse application of Judaic theology (Zio-supremacism).

      So…how is it that people who are so quick to talk about I-P in terms of radical Islamic terrorism are also super reluctant to use any term to describe terrorism motivated by extremist Judaic theology?

    • bryan
      bryan
      June 15, 2016, 7:11 am

      Hophmi – surely if I used terms like “radical Christianity” or “radical Judaism” or “radical Zionistic terrorism” or whatever, you would complain that yes, men of violence exist, and exist within all religions and ideologies, but the conflation of the adjective “radical” and whatever noun you use to define the religion or the ideology, does huge disservice to the many other people who follow those religions, and even ideologies, but are not inherently violent or hateful or terroristic?

      Trump has just failed another probationary challenge. Imagine him as president, if you can, in one year’s time, when another incident of this type occurs, as it certainly will, having to address the American people, to provide leadership and healing words and direction, at a time of tragic national trauma. Hopefully Americans will be evaluating his performance, not only at his rallies, and in friendly TV interviews, but at moments of crisis like this, and will search in vain for the slightest evidence that he can fulfil one of the most basis requirements of being presidential : to lead the whole nation, at moments like this.

      • Stogumber
        Stogumber
        June 21, 2016, 12:58 am

        Does Trump actually have to “provide leadership and healing words and direction, at a time of tragic national trauma”? Is an American president something like an psychotherapist, or rather a medicine man/magic healer? Is this what the average American needs? Did any other president, e.g. Obama, ever accomplish such a task? Seems unreal to me.
        Trump probably sees his role rather like an administrative which has to sort out which people are not fit to enter the U.S.

  3. Mooser
    Mooser
    June 14, 2016, 11:07 am

    But how is a clear ethnic slur like “ragshoulders” the same thing as a term like “radical Zionist terrorism,” or “radical Judaism,” or any term that makes explicit what everyone, including Jews, understands to be a perverse application of Jewish theology?

    Oh wait, I’ve figured it out, sorry “Hophmi”. When Muslims do it it’s a “perverse application”, but when Jews do it, they are only responding to the highest aspirations of their religion, so it’s completely different.

    • hophmi
      hophmi
      June 14, 2016, 11:57 am

      “Oh wait, I’ve figured it out, sorry “Hophmi”. When Muslims do it it’s a “perverse application”, but when Jews do it, they are only responding to the highest aspirations of their religion, so it’s completely different.”

      That’s not remotely what I said.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 14, 2016, 3:46 pm

        “That’s not remotely what I said.”

        Oh well, one man’s “perverse application”
        is another man’s ” Judaic ideology”, I guess.

        Not sure if you want to go around telling people violence is alien to Islam, but integral to Judaism. Of course, that just makes it that much more noble if we eschew what we have a right to.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 15, 2016, 11:28 am

        “Not sure if you want to go around telling people violence is alien to Islam, but integral to Judaism. Of course, that just makes it that much more noble if we eschew what we have a right to.”

        That isn’t what I said either. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 15, 2016, 11:42 am

        “That isn’t what I said either.”

        “Hophmi” if you had even an inkling of what you said, and say, you would cancel your account, and beg Phil to delete your archive.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 15, 2016, 12:18 pm

        “You seem to have a serious comprehension problem.”

        Uh, “Hophmi”, this may have escaped your comprehension, but everybody seems to have a problem taking you seriously.

  4. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 14, 2016, 11:17 am

    Excellent advice from ex CIA official about listening to enemies, and reasons for hatred:

    https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/744058605735649/

    • Nicholas
      Nicholas
      June 14, 2016, 4:33 pm

      “Listening to enemies” is a great idea, one that should be practiced often. For instance, Bin Laden wrote a “Letter to the Americas” back in November of 2001. That letter should be required reading, and subjected to a little bit of objective analysis in all American schools.

      Not because I believe Bin Laden to be a great and wonderful man, but because he did express thoughts reflecting a significant portion of the Muslim world thinking about the USA. Bin Laden was certainly a tactical genius when it came to achieving his strategic objective, which apparently, based upon assertions in his letter, was the economic collapse of the USA. That makes him way smarter than any of the idiots we’ve had running this country over the last 20 or more years.

      Perhaps through conducting a little bit of self analysis, we might shine a Light Unto that backwards country founded in the East Mediterranean back in 1948 and they might learn from our example. Hopefully some of our more erudite posters here can present Bin Laden’s Letter and get us started with some facts that matter and we can ignore the campaign clucking at all the straw men conjured up for political purposes.

      Otherwise we can sit around and entertain ourselves with misty watercolor memories of Elvis, DisneyLand, McDonalds, LGBT Rights and how these freedom thingies cause Muslims to jump of the screen of Indiana Jones with scimitar swords.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 14, 2016, 6:48 pm

        It will do us some good to listen to the enemy sometimes, instead of dismissing them entirely.
        There are reasons why they may be mad at us, we have done some stupid things around the world, and dropping bombs over Muslim nations which results in the deaths of thousands of Muslims, gives them good reason to detest us. At one time Bin Laden was one of our puppets, and we trained and armed him and his outfit when it was very convenient for us.
        We cannot keep arrogantly deciding which nations to bomb, which leader to topple, and expect them to sing songs of praise for us. They will form a hatred for us, and extremists will take advantage of that.

      • gamal
        gamal
        June 14, 2016, 9:45 pm

        “we have done some stupid things around the world”

        with all due respect i think you should consider rephrasing that, people are fighting the USA not out of either hatred or anger but because the US is attacking them.

        you think this is a record of stupidity?

        http://www.telesurtv.net/english/multimedia/Iconic-Photos-of-US-Imperialisms-Perpetual-War-on-the-World-20160608-0025.html

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 14, 2016, 10:49 pm

        Gamal, those pictures are so intense and terrible. It also shows that there is so much we have not been told, and that many disgusting crimes have been done to civilians in our name. Our leaders have been war mongers and their arrogance has put this country in a very bad light.
        All the good we have done around the world has been diminished because of these very bad policies and our continuous attack of other nations. Disappointing.

  5. gamal
    gamal
    June 14, 2016, 12:40 pm

    lets be honest when Muslims do it its the USA governments fault, Eqbal Ahmad and the rest of us did tell you,
    ““In Islamic history, jihad as an international violent phenomenon had disappeared in the last 400 years, for all practical purposes. It was revived suddenly with American help in the 1980s. When the Soviet Union intervened in Afghanistan, Zia ul-Haq, the [U.S.-backed] military dictator of Pakistan, which borders on Afghanistan, saw an opportunity and launched a jihad there against godless communism. The U.S. saw a God-sent opportunity to mobilize one billion Muslims against what Reagan called the ‘Evil Empire.’”

    Americans I was dealing with in the 80’s/90’s were just gungho, its going to get one whole lot worse.

    Ben Norton at salon explains

    “We created Islamic extremism: Those blaming Islam for ISIS would have supported Osama bin Laden in the ’80s”

    “Many pundits, including liberals, have argued that the Middle East, North Africa and Muslim-majority parts of South Asia are presently going through their parallel to the West’s Dark Age, a bloody period of religious extremism. They blame the rise of extremist groups like ISIS and al-Qaida on Islam itself, or on the Middle East’s supposedly “backward” culture, yet conveniently gloss over their own countries’ sordid histories and policies.

    There is much more than a tinge of racism in this orientalist idea that, for some reason, Muslims in the Middle East are centuries behind the enlightened Christian West. This ludicrous claim does not stand up to even the most superficial historical scrutiny.

    For one, never mentioned is the fact that, only decades ago, most Middle Eastern countries were Western colonies. Their civilian populations were terrorized and brutalized by Western colonial powers.

    And, again, what were the most secular and modern governments in the history of the Middle East? It was almost always the Soviet-aligned or non-aligned leftist governments that were either enemies of the West or non-allies in the Cold War.”

    http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_the_80s/

  6. ritzl
    ritzl
    June 14, 2016, 3:50 pm

    “The Gays” and “the Muslims” are sounding, courageously, against all odds, like actual leaders. How refreshing. More please.

    “The Usuals” not so much. Less please.

  7. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 14, 2016, 4:29 pm

    Apparently the Orlando killer’s wife knew of his intentions, and tried to stop him (she should have notified the authorities and saved many lives), and it is reported she is of Palestinian origin.
    Guess it was not a surprise that it was referred to during Jake Tapper’s program.

  8. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    June 14, 2016, 7:44 pm

    Some comments on Orlando:
    Republicans are emphasizing the killer. Democrats are emphasizing the victims and the weapon.
    Obama taking Trump on toe to toe is significant. The issue is unusual, trump is unusual and Obama has taken him to task. Obama is still president trying to ensure he is succeeded by a continuity democrat and not trump and he is taking trump on.
    Someone can compare overall murder stats in the USA and discover the relative insignificance of the victims of these headline grabbing mass murders accomplished by young angry Muslim americans. But it is not only trump supporters who are alarmed by this. Strong leadership like Obama’s compared to fear mongering like that of trump makes a big difference. It could be that isis will be defeated and this latest round of high profile mass murders is part of the death throes of isis. I am not convinced. Even if one hates trump it does not mean one is not alarmed by Boston Marathon San Bernardino and orlando.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      June 14, 2016, 8:43 pm

      A new Bloomberg poll published Tuesday shows Hillary Clinton leading Donald Trump 49 percent to 37 percent among likely voters nationwide. It also showed that 55 percent of those polled said that they would never vote for Trump.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      June 14, 2016, 9:05 pm

      The ideology of isis will not be defeated in our lifetime. Isis itself may be destroyed to reform as something else. Terrorism has always been a fact of life. The state of Israel is a testament to the success of terrorism. The western world is targetted due to our support of Israel. We were not targets earlier as we were the proponents of terrorism against Russia. Call it blowback, call it just desserts. No matter as we are deep in it now . It is time to hold nations as well as terrorist groups to account. Yes that includes western nations and the middle east terrorist state of Israel. It was forged in terrorism and it thrives in terrorism against civilians. Far too cowardly to take on any opposing organized force.

      You still support them of course. There is no difference between Isil and jsil other than the quality of weapons. Their fighters are murderous thigs.

      • silamcuz
        silamcuz
        June 14, 2016, 9:31 pm

        ISIS is a Western created, Western backed group who main enemies bizarrely seem to be the very people they claim to represent.

        Secondly, bringing up ISIS and using the racially coded terrorist label to discuss a mass shooting by a person who superficially appear to be Muslim is really problematic. The shooter was mentally unstable, had deep homophobic and misogynistic views, and was able to legally get hold of an assault rifle capable of massacre. These are issues far outside of the realms of Islam or ISIS but is part of the flawed social order of the USA. Also, 95% of mass shootings are perpetrated by white males, under the influence of white politicians and media personalities.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        June 14, 2016, 11:40 pm

        Precisely correct old geezer. You have hit the nail right on the head. There is absolutely no justification morally or ethically in contributing billions of dollars in weaponry and aid in order for Israel to ethnically cleanse and illegally transfer millions of Palestinians. If we dare to look at the truth ,since Israel’s inception, it has been entirely responsible for creating the greatest number of refugees in the World. And Israel apparently can commit any kind of attrocity against Palestinians and it will not affect the Aid Train coming from America and America wonders why Americans are more and more becoming targets. AIPAC Lackies like Clinton have betrayed Americans in order to facilitate the goals and expectations of Zionist Israel.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        June 15, 2016, 11:32 am

        “There is no difference between Isil and jsil other than the quality of weapons.”

        This comparison is only one that is made by very sick people.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 15, 2016, 12:32 pm

        “This comparison is only one that is made by very sick people.”

        We are sick, we are sick,
        We are sick, sick, sick,
        Like we’re sociologically sick!

        Gee, Officer “Hophmi”,
        What are we to do?
        Gee, Officer “Hophmi”…

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        June 15, 2016, 2:48 pm

        @hophmi

        No that kind of statement is only denied by those who can’t recognize the crimes they commit against humanity.

        Claim territory as your own when it’s not. Check.
        Acquire territory through the use if violence and murder. Check.
        Ethnically cleanse territory through the use of murder and terrorism. Check.
        Eradicate cultural and physical symbols and structures of opposing cultures. Check.
        Maintain a belligerent state against neighbours and use violent means to expand territory. Check.
        Don’t define borders. Check.
        Do all these things in the name of a religioud grouo. Check.
        Slaughter women and children. Check.
        Violate international law, international humanitarian law, geneva conventions. Check.

        The list is endless in terms of the negative and criminal actions pepetrated by both groups.

        JSIL is an appropriate term. With all the connotations that come with it.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      June 14, 2016, 9:32 pm

      “Strong leadership like Obama’s compared…”

      to the old weak Obama?

      “I think Obama has been a weak president and I think his policy starting with the Cairo speech showed an unrealistic bent.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/wondering-jew/?keyword=weak#sthash.6JVUFnGN.dpuf

  9. silamcuz
    silamcuz
    June 14, 2016, 8:49 pm

    It’s funny how remarkably on the point Obama’s speech on the tragedy was, in comparison to both Trump’s and Clinton’s. It just goes to show that white supremacy affects a person in ways that renders their intellect and ability for critical thought irrelevant. Only an identity as toxic as the white identity can level the standings of a Ivy League law grad to an ignorant, hateful, mentally unhinged buffoon. Obama is living proof that being POC is the greatest blessing for a person living in a white supremacist world, something I am increasingly thankful for despite my numerous flaws as a person. There is nothing more empowering and validating for me than waking up, looking in the mirror, and say to myself , “At least I’m not white”.

    Now, before getting all worked up and labeling me a racist, please ask yourself what does being white mean? Is it merely a skin colour, or something more? Does Obama, having been born and raised by a white person(s) represent values and ideals of the white identity?

  10. Mooser
    Mooser
    June 14, 2016, 9:46 pm

    “Now, before getting all worked up and labeling me a racist”

    No one is going to get worked up.
    I think you’ll be assiduously ignored. No point getting worked up over some kind of troll.

    “There is nothing more empowering and validating for me than waking up, looking in the mirror, and say to myself , “At least I’m not white”.

    Good for you! You be your bad “not white” self! Whatever that means. Patsh zich in tuchis und schrei “hooray” Jump back and kiss yourself. You’ve got soul, and you are super-bad. Happy now?

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      June 14, 2016, 11:44 pm

      I love ya Mooser…your defensive patterns are not only humorous but effective also…hats off to you!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        June 15, 2016, 10:24 am

        Here’s the video, the wonderful Damita Jo Freeman and James Brown. Good God! Get it!

  11. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    June 15, 2016, 11:59 am

    @Hophmi

    “like you all were with the ridiculous and offensive term “JSIL”

    Sounds like this is touching a nerve old bean. You may need some extra Hasbara therapy.

    I believe that the term was first used by Max Blumenthal effectively pointing out that Israeli leaders including guessyahoo are adamant that Israel be recognised as a Jewish state despite over one fifth of the population being non Jewish . So the first part = JS seems to be perfectly correct according to guessyahoo. It Israel(JSIL) is located in the Levant (as opposed to New Jersey ). so the second part is also correct.

    Can`t have it both ways sunshine – after the therapy you may have to request a Hasbara Handbook update on this one

  12. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    June 15, 2016, 10:25 pm

    RE: [Donald Duck Trump] also called on Obama to resign for not using the term “radical Islam.” “Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn’t he should immediately resign in disgrace!”

    HEY TRUMP: If you upgrade to “Wascally Wadical Islamic Terrorist/Terrorism”, then I’m certain Nina Rosenwald* will see to it that you have all the money necessary to blow Hillary Clinton right out of the ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ water. Praise the Lorde**, and pass the grits!
    Amp up the hateful rhetoric, Trump; your day has finally come! It’s time to ‘Make Daddy (and Nina Rosenwald) Proud’.

    * SEE: “The Sugar Mama of Anti-Muslim Hate” | By Max Blumenthal | June 14, 2012
    Philanthropist Nina Rosenwald has used her millions to cement the alliance between the pro-Israel lobby and the Islamophobic fringe.
    LINK – http://www.thenation.com/article/sugar-mama-anti-muslim-hate/

    ** IN PRAISE OF THE LORDE:

    P.S.
    The Unbearable Lightness of Being Whitehttps://www.facebook.com/notes/john-lewis-dickerson/-the-unbearable-lightness-of-being-white-/10207972722892558

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      June 15, 2016, 10:46 pm

      P.P.S. I would only truly believe in The Lorde if she had ‘Amy Winehouse eyes’ (and could dance, of course)!

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        June 17, 2016, 4:02 pm

        P.P.S. ■ Lorde vs Ozmium – Everybody Wants To Rule The World (Requiem) (Vizard Mash-Up)

      • JLewisDickerson
        JLewisDickerson
        July 18, 2016, 4:09 pm

        P.P.(P.)P.S. Everybody Wants To Rule The World by MIEN [Dubstep] (Lorde x Zomboy x Skrillex x Dodge&Fuski x MIEN)

  13. Stogumber
    Stogumber
    June 21, 2016, 1:10 am

    Hophmi is quite right w.r.t. the principle. Every larger religion implies thoughts which can lead to violence. This relations between religion and violence can be exaggerated or downplayed by propagandists, just according to their intentions. From which follows that propaganda is generally hypocritical, downplaying the violent aspect of the religion one defends and exaggerating the violent aspect of the religion one attacks.
    Propaganda here is not completely above this general hypocrisy, even if I think that the more one knows the trap, the more one can avoid it.

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