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Two days ago we put up the shocking video below of the shooting of a young Palestinian woman near the illegal settlement of Ariel in occupied territories as she held a knife over her head and hesitatingly approached two helmeted soldiers.

You would think that this young woman, identified as Jamila Jabbar, posed no urgent risk as she teetered uncertainly toward two heavily-armed men, you would think there would be some way to neutralize her or disarm her without shooting her. No, one of the Israeli soldiers fired into her stomach, and she crumpled.

The video is graphic evidence of the imbalance of power in the conflict, and of the desperation Palestinians feel after nearly 50 years of occupation.

The second jolt of this video is that it has not appeared in the New York Times or for that matter in the American press. “This video must be seen. There is no propaganda possible to explain this,” says Yakov Hirsch, who first posted the video on our site. “People just need to use their eyes and figure out what they’re seeing.”

Here is appropriate treatment of the video in the Italian press. And from Gideon Levy in Haaretz, in a column titled, “I thought Israeli soldiers weren’t supposed to shoot Palestinian girls anymore.” Levy’s description of the shooting:

They are armed with rifles and are well protected; she’s a slender girl with a kitchen knife, taking hesitant steps. And in the blink of an eye one of the soldiers shoots her in the stomach. She collapses onto the sidewalk…

I’d like to know: Do you really think in this case the teenager threatened the soldiers’ lives? Was shooting her in the stomach the only way to eliminate the threat? Is it possible that two Israeli soldiers can’t subdue such a girl without shooting her? Don’t they know any other way to handle the threat of a girl younger than they, when they are two and she only one?

Levy calls on the Israeli army chief of staff to put a stop to extrajudicial executions.

If you really believe what you said, give the order and behold: These executions – and there’s no other way to describe them – will stop.

The video is further proof that on any day in Haaretz, you will read coverage of Israel and Palestine that puts the New York Times to shame, though it’s the Israeli writers’ second language. Their country is now experiencing a political crisis brought on by the Palestinian knife attacks, with establishment leaders engaged in a forum on how fascistic and dangerous is Benjamin Netanyahu.

The New York Times has published only one article with any force on these matters: an op-ed from a leading Israeli journalist stating that there might actually be a coup because military leaders regard Netanyahu as having only “belligerent” solutions to problems. Just a blip, though. The Times has all but ignored General Yair Golan’s depth-charge that the country’s political culture is reminiscent of Nazi Germany. Instead, our leading paper runs novelist Etgar Keret’s confession that he is now ambivalent about Israel because of the unending occupation. But there is little sense of urgency– and only support for the idea of a Jewish state.

You must go to the Israeli press for that urgency. Uri Avnery warns that a government-by-rightwing-religious-zealots is inviting ISIS to engulf the country, and the west is aiding this self-destructive path by putting no pressure on Israeli leaders.

Or there was this piece by Ravit Hecht in Friday’s Haaretz saying that Elor Azaria, the medic who set off this political crisis by killing an incapacitated Palestinian youth on the ground on March 24, believed that he was combating terrorism; and Azaria now wants to know where Netanyahu is to support him during a trial on manslaughter charges.

 

[I]t’s interesting to note Azaria’s father’s cry to the prime minister, who called him early on in the proceedings and even considered meeting him. “Where is the prime minister? Where is the whole system?” Charlie Azaria asked in court. The father is calling on the premier to act against the army, the state’s most important executive branch. This amazing fact – that the head of the state himself is invoked – characterizes Netanyahu’s rule with all its attendant dangers: The father is calling on the prime minister to sabotage the very system he is in charge of protecting.

Hecht then reminds readers that it is Netanyahu who has incited violence by warning Jews about Arab voters coming out in droves, and by claiming that Hitler got the idea of the final solution from a Palestinian.

Netanyahu is actually the revolutionary dismantling the state and its institutions. It’s the engine that helps him cling to power. All Azaria did was shoot the most dangerous element of [those who are heading to the voting booths in their droves, those who gave the Nazis the idea of exterminating Jews and are now continuing their quest. In that sense, at least, Azaria is indeed just a common soldier.

Those last lines could have been cribbed from a piece we ran about Netanyahu’s ideology. And as grateful as I am that Yakov Hirsch has kept our site abreast of this existential crisis for the Jewish state, how dismaying it is that the American mainstream has tuned out the news.

 

 

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  1. Blownaway
    Blownaway
    July 10, 2016, 2:55 pm

    Look how terrified these two cowards are even after shooting her.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 12, 2016, 7:05 am

      Cowards filled with hate, a deadly combination for Palestinians.

      Israel’s most moral, and finest.

  2. amigo
    amigo
    July 10, 2016, 3:46 pm

    It beggars belief how two men armed to the teeth can do what these two murderers did without considering their options.This is the mindset of killers .Shoot first and deny any guilt later.After all , our bosses have shown they will support us.Hey , our parents may get a personal visit by our PM while we are waiting to be found innocent.

    What self serving genocidal maniac would not join the most moral army , given the extra privileges available .

    Sick b—–ds.

    • Eric
      Eric
      July 10, 2016, 5:22 pm

      I’ve read various accounts that IDF guys are for the most part cowardly on the battlefield and rely on overwhelming firepower and technology to keep them motivated enough to fight. Their behaviour during the numerous extrajudicial executions since last Fall certainly lends credence to this view.

  3. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    July 10, 2016, 4:04 pm

    Pw
    not bothering to report that the woman is not dead. She is alive and recovering. maybe having something to do with why overseas media might not report as significant. Imagine how many shootings took place in the world that day with american arms or russian arms. In pw mind the nyt is obligated to report every shooting in Israel to prove its non-biased. Or maybe he’s just whining again on his widely considered hate site : MW

    p.s. The llittle militant “girl” looks like she’s taller then both boy soldiers

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 10, 2016, 6:29 pm

      p.s. The llittle militant “girl” looks like she’s taller then both boy soldiers – “duh baker

      Possible explanation is that the two soldier boys are cowering in fear and she is standing tall .

      Truth is your two boy soldiers are crouching .Save the image and then zoom in and you will see the front boy soldier has his front right knee bent.

      BTW , isn,t it against the laws of war to place boys in uniform and send them to war.Not in Israel I guess.Why do zionists care so little about their children.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 10, 2016, 8:15 pm

      “p.s. The llittle militant “girl” looks like she’s taller then both boy soldiers”

      Ahh, the new Zionist man is a marvel, is he not? “Watch out Uri, she’s taller than both of us!”

      • Yakov Hirsch
        Yakov Hirsch
        July 11, 2016, 3:50 pm

        Mooser, since I laugh every time your Uri line, im going to share with you title of my next piece,
        “The Jeffrey Goldberg Hasbara Challenge”

        Mooser
        July 10, 2016, 8:15 pm

        “p.s. The llittle militant “girl” looks like she’s taller then both boy soldiers”

        Ahh, the new Zionist man is a marvel, is he not? “Watch out Uri, she’s taller than both of us!”

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/desperate-palestinian-overhead/#comments

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 11, 2016, 4:15 pm

        “im going to share with you title of my next piece,
        “The Jeffrey Goldberg Hasbara Challenge”

        Thanks! Great title. Looking forward to reading it.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 11, 2016, 9:23 am

      DaBakr
      not bothering, because the woman isn’t Jewish.

    • Eric
      Eric
      July 11, 2016, 5:04 pm

      So what are you doing trolling on “hate sites”, DeBakr? Surely a man of your calibre has better things to do?

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 12, 2016, 12:39 am

        Good question, what is he doing here on this so called “hate site”, which he seems to dislike, and why does he insert himself in these comment sections almost daily, trying to convince everyone that the zionist narrative are the real facts? This “hate site” must be addictive.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 12, 2016, 3:30 am

        @poor e & k

        Better idea: you should try to have me banned from the site. Also, I never denied that I find most of the commenters here entertaining nor did I ever deny the site has some addictive qualities to it. I’m sure that far left so-called human rights activists take themselves and their opinions very very seriously but I can not help what I find entertaining.

        Anyway, according to the clown pinch of. MW it has already been established that I am a high ranking highly paid hasbarist who happens to be on meth which, according to the ‘funniest one on mw’ is one of the most reasonable explanations for my political views. how not to be entertained here?

        P’s. @k
        . Just like your moderator insists that Israel meets the so-called “definition” of apartheid and/or genocide mw meets the definition of hate site.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 12, 2016, 9:04 am

        DaBakr: “I’m sure that far left so-called human rights activists take themselves and their opinions very very seriously but I can not help what I find entertaining”

        Yes, acting like a human is hilarious for someone who is as far right as you are and even considers mainstream to be “far left”.

        “mw meets the definition of hate site.”

        Sure, like your hilarious definition of antisemitism which is not rational at all, but a disguise for your own hate.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 12, 2016, 9:27 am

        || Br: … mw meets the definition of hate site. … ||

        No surprise there, given the amount of Zio-supremacist hate you and your hateful and immoral co-collectivists spew here every day.

  4. Blaine Coleman
    Blaine Coleman
    July 10, 2016, 4:28 pm

    Mondoweiss again whimpers that New York Times is biased in favor of Israel. Truly an original observation. Do tell us more. A thousand more articles on the subject, please. Surely your whimpering will embarrass the Times into dropping its bias! Right? Wrong!

    Only loud, angry crowds, lawfully demanding boycott, divestment, and sanctions (“BDS”) against Israel, will stop Israel and its pet media. You have thousands of city councils and student governments in walking distance of your homes. You can easily push any BDS resolution there. No Southern sheriffs with water-hoses will disperse you. If you are flush with cash, spend 50 cents on a cardboard sign. If you feel especially brave, sign up to speak, too.

    That is what a movement does. Whimpering is not enough.

    There is one City Council where a 14-year campaign for BDS is still going on. So far Mondoweiss has not chosen to publicize it. Judge for yourself: shouldn’t people know about the Ann Arbor City Council campaign to boycott Israel? It’s a pretty good model for every city, and it doesn’t cost a penny.

    * See here in 2012: http://www.annarbor.com/news/protesters-ask-new-ann-arbor-city-council-member-to-spearhead-resolution-to-boycott-israel/
    * See here in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjVdsTnXIcg
    * See here in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc9MmDQSmdQ

    You can easily create a movement like that in your own city council, your own student government. What on Earth are you waiting for, after all these years, after so many massacres?

  5. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    July 10, 2016, 5:37 pm

    Experiment: Pick a city. A woman with clearly unstable frame of mind comes at two policemen with a knife as in this video. What is the result?

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 10, 2016, 5:56 pm

      Reality

      Unarmed police take down a fully grown man with a clearly unstable mind and armed with a machete.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

      the idf are cowards and murderers

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 10, 2016, 6:50 pm

        oldgeezer , in normal democratic societies the goal is avoid killing whenever possible.In Israel the goal is to kill whenever possible.

        Israel has banned tasers or any such weapon that might leave a Palestinian alive.Makes the job of slow genocide that much more difficult not to mention expensive.Yonah would not make any such comments if that was a Jewish Israeli being shot .He would have launched into a ten para long post describing all the ways the Jewish subject could have been taken down alive.No justification killing a Jewish person whose life is worth more than a Palestinian.

        Zionist hypocracy at it,s finest.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        July 10, 2016, 8:42 pm

        @amigo

        Indeed. If zionists want to find a death cult they only need look in the mirror.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 10, 2016, 7:39 pm

      || yonah fredman: Experiment: Pick a city. A woman with clearly unstable frame of mind comes at two policemen with a knife as in this video. What is the result? ||

      According to your fellow Zio-supremacist, MaxNarr: ” … those who attempt murder should be arrested no matter what the age. … ”

      I concur.

      Are you of the opinion that a young, Jewish, knife-wielding female who slowly approaches two heavily-armed, non-Jewish soldiers should be shot point-blank range without any attempt made to disarm her?

      I’m not.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 11, 2016, 3:38 am

        ideally whenever one can disarm a person with a knife, you ought to do so, without killing the person. I have never been in such a situation. obviously these soldiers are given a rifle and not a baton and not a taser and not a bayonet. they are apparently guarding a spot in occupied territories at a time of attacks by knife and car on soldiers and settlers, so they are targets of the course of the occupier versus occupied dynamic that has been established.

        if you’re not an american right now, i allow you extra umbrage at the fact that this is not in the media. but to americans dealing with cops shooting men for selling videos in front of a convenience store or a man reaching for his driver’s license, the idea that this video of a woman with a knife getting shot is not receiving adequate media coverage is silliness.

        the occupation i grant is evil. and this woman allowed her soul to be possessed by an anger that would undo this evil with her very life. if the soldiers had been equipped with taser guns and batons and shields, then the use of the rifle is horrible and criminal. but it is the army’s fault, not the soldiers’ fault. and right now the army is not about to change its modus operandi to tasers, batons and shields.

        and let me pose this question: who shot this video? have they come forward or has this been submitted anonymously? did they know that this woman was about to attack? if the driver and rider in the car were aware that an attack was about to take place, then that changes the entire dynamic, doesn’t it?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 11, 2016, 9:38 am

        Exactly yonah, giving a warning shot or shooting less vital body part isn’t an option for Jewish soldiers if the target isn’t Jewish.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 11, 2016, 9:44 am

        || yonah fredman: ideally whenever one can disarm a person with a knife, you ought to do so, without killing the person. … ||

        I agree. And the first step in determining whether “one can disarm a person with a knife” is for one to actually attempt to disarm a person with a knife. Neither of those two heavily-armed, “most moral army” Occupation Forces “soldiers” bothered to try.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 11, 2016, 10:27 am

        That’s it, Fredman, continue aiding and abetting mass murder.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 11, 2016, 11:23 am

        ” Neither of those two heavily-armed, “most moral army” Occupation Forces “soldiers” bothered to try.”

        Uri: Avi, you run around behind her.
        Avi: Oh, that’s it, send the Jew into danger! No way.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 12, 2016, 12:52 pm

        Avi: “You run around her, if you’re so brave!”

        Uri: “But she might try and stab me! My mother said I should rest and eat well in the IDF, but she never warned me about this!”

        Avi: “A Palestinian, stab at you? Why should she? What have you ever done to her?”

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 12, 2016, 1:25 pm

        One Lieutenant-Colonel Shalom Eisner would have quickly handled the situation in a way two lesser “soldiers” couldn’t.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      Yakov Hirsch
      July 10, 2016, 9:17 pm

      Experiment: Pick a city in Iran. An identifiable Jewish woman with clearly unstable frame of mind comes at two policemen with a knife as in this video. They shoot her in the stomach. What is the resulting Yonah Fredman comment?

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 11, 2016, 3:47 am

        Yakov Hirsch- betcha that hasn’t happened in the last 85 years in iran. so you’ve got to choose something a little more likely.

        there was some deranged jew with a knife shot by cops in boro park about three years ago. i certainly didn’t comment here about it.

        cops going to deal with deranged citizens is a different dynamic than occupiers dealing with deranged occupied.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 11, 2016, 9:55 am

        Yonah: “cops going to deal with deranged citizens is a different dynamic than occupiers dealing with deranged occupied”

        It’s quite obvious that it is not the occupied who are deranged given the fact that noone else is holding a people occupied for nearly half a century.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 11, 2016, 11:10 am

        “cops going to deal with deranged citizens is a different dynamic than occupiers dealing with deranged occupied.”

        “Yonah”, how the heck do you manage to exhibit such stupidity and petty viciousness at the same time?

        So being the “occupier” gives Jews more right to kill the “occupied”?
        Yeah, you and 2 billion Jews can fight it out along those lines. At those odds, I have no doubt you will win,

        After all, isn’t that how theNazis did it? They declared the Jews were a foreign nation (you like that,huh?) and made them an ‘occupied people’ with no rights.
        The Zionists couldn’t have a better example,and there weren’t near 2 billion Germans.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 11, 2016, 2:32 am

      Here are some Chinese police in action.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUdV-ywj8Sw

      But those wily Orientals learn cunning techniques for such things. Poor Israeli soldiers have no access to the Secrets of the East. How can they possibly learn to use anything but a gun?

    • Mr.T
      Mr.T
      July 11, 2016, 8:40 am

      First, they weren’t policemen. These thugs are the uniformed terrorists of JSIL.

      Second, actual policemen would be horrified that you would insult them by comparing the acts of these terrorists to policemen. They had a clear ability to retreat. There was no immediate danger, so no need to use deadly force.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 11, 2016, 9:30 am

      Yonah fredman: “Experiment: Pick a city. A woman with clearly unstable frame of mind comes at two policemen with a knife as in this video. What is the result?”

      It depends. Is the woman Jewish? If yes, is the city under Nazi control? If yes, I guess they would at least have shot her right in the stomach.

  6. eljay
    eljay
    July 10, 2016, 7:36 pm

    What an amazing display of cowardice by two heavily-armed Israeli Occupation Forces…ahem…”soldiers”. Captain Israel hides his face in shame. :-(

  7. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 11, 2016, 12:32 am

    It looked to me like this young woman wasn’t sure what she was going to do and those little boys with all their firepower could have disarmed her without shooting her in the stomach. Regardless of Dbk’s lovely post amounting to ‘she ain’t dead yet’, if that’s true hallelujah, but it’s not the point. The IOF are the biggest pussies in the world, but you don’t have to be brave for the zionist enterprise, you only need to have an unending supply of weaponry and firepower and you can take down any army of knife/fork/spoon wielding Palestinian teenage girl.

    The ‘US media fail to report video….’ isn’t news. Its just business as usual for the largest zionist settlement bloc outside the zionist ‘state’.

    • Ray984954
      Ray984954
      July 12, 2016, 4:39 pm

      Uh…if I may, Oh, please don’t compliment them, call’em pricks, sure, hate them big time even my own, but pussies, don’t think I’ll ever see them in a bad light and to use the term derogatorily seems a sacrilege, but these young soldeirs acting like real dicks seems way more fitting.
      BUT I got this dumb question, why didn’t they just let her pass, or get that she may feel threatened and lower their weapons to show her she had nothing to fear from them, and know she may be afraid due to her prior experience moving around in her Palestine and maybe why she was acting as she was, after all, her friends and family may act symbolically and throw rocks at the IOF, but with no obvious intent to harm, and likely they know rocks won’t hurt anyone, but it is what they have, and like the Agents of Shield season endings episodes where Hive as he gets his brain scrambled by Lincoln’s electric charges boosted, says. ‘this won’t kill me,’ and Max replies saying,’No, but it’ll really SUCK.’ Rock throwers merely want to show displeasure, and who wants to know they’re causing displeasure, despite the IOF machismo with their overpowering firepower, they still are people, pretty hateful it seems to Palestinians…but still.
      Zionists have lost their minds, they knew this day was coming when the chickens came home to roost, their lies played out as far as they could(maybe that’s why NUT-AND-A-YAHOO closed off the achives, just too much goddamned historical truth from BenGurion’s own mouth), so no one should be surprised at their insanity, problem is they are well armed ‘crazies’. AND with the USA agreeing to even more weapons. radioactive ammo, DIMEs with superheated microscopic shrapnel, unidentifiable when injuries occur) Finkelstein helped it along by exposing the empty Palestine that kinda wasn’t exactly that.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 13, 2016, 3:49 am

        Ray984954
        ‘Uh…if I may, Oh, please don’t compliment them, call’em pricks, sure, hate them big time even my own, but pussies, don’t think I’ll ever see them in a bad light and to use the term derogatorily seems a sacrilege, but these young soldeirs acting like real dicks seems way more fitting. ‘

        Okay, dicks it is, but I have to add limp.

  8. echinococcus
    echinococcus
    July 11, 2016, 12:42 am

    Let’s stop calling these “knife attacks”. As is so obvious in the movie, this is no attack: just suicide by holding any object.

    I suppose it’s the Palestinian equivalent of the Buddhist monks’ immolating themselves by fire in Vietnam.
    It worked, at a tremendous cost to the locals.

  9. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    July 11, 2016, 7:09 am

    The shooting in the stomach could be related to the 2 for 1 promotion which was on offer not so long ago in the IDF. Perhaps it has been reinstated as a form of ad hoc ethnic cleansing ?

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Israel_T-shirt_affair

    In any event I don`t think that we should lose sight of the fact that these shootings of heavily armed terrorists are effectively ongoing live war games for the most moral etc as they prepare to take on the likes of Hezbollah who must be quaking in their boots. Despite this young woman clearly having the qualitative edge in this situation the brave IDF soldiers once again did their nation proud.

    JSIL`s finest in action – truly inspiring for Zionists everwhere. I expect that the Yahoo or one of his loony cabinet colleagues will be popping round to their homes in due course to congratulate them on their bravery.

  10. tony greenstein
    tony greenstein
    July 11, 2016, 8:17 am

    I wanted to share this but none of the share buttons appears to be working

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 11, 2016, 7:37 pm

      I have to protest against the slimy “agreement” by John S on something I wrote and his smuggling of a vile piece of BS about some “phenomenon that the Palestinians should address” as if “phenomena” other than the Zionist occupation were any of his damn business.

  11. jon s
    jon s
    July 11, 2016, 10:37 am

    I certainly agree that the soldiers could have, and should have, tried to stop her without shooting .
    And I find myself agreeing with echinococcus that this is another case of attempted suicide – by -brandishing -a knife, a phenomenon that Palestinian society should address. It’s very reminiscent of the incident in Afula last year ( the one in which the young policewoman drops her gun’s magazine, but not her ice cream cone…)

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 11, 2016, 11:03 am

      || jon s: … I find myself agreeing with echinococcus that this is another case of attempted suicide – by -brandishing -a knife, a phenomenon that Palestinian society should address. … ||

      Yup, and Israeli society could help Palestinian society address this phenomenon by:
      – ending its decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of Palestine (i.e., territory outside of Israel’s / Partition borders);
      – honouring its obligations under international law (including RoR of refugees);
      – accepting responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      – entering into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 11, 2016, 11:30 am

      “I certainly agree that the soldiers could have, and should have, tried to stop her without shooting .”:

      Sure StuartSmalley.You are so much better and smarter than other Israelis, and even anti-Zionists think you are cool!

      Yeah, “Jon s” those kind IDF men were just helping a troubled girl commit suicide, in accord with the best of Jewish ethics and modern psychology.

      What is so amazing (and disgusting) “Jon s” is your total ingenuousness. You show us the process whereby Israelis relieve themselves of responsibility for their own actions with no self-consciousness at all. And think you are “explaining” or excusing Zionism. Nas-tee! And implicit is your assumption that we all would be just like you if we could.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 11, 2016, 1:54 pm

      Thanks for the “Hasbarawood” video,”Jon s”.

      • Ray984954
        Ray984954
        July 12, 2016, 5:59 pm

        Yes, which makes me have to say, well, damn why on earth are there so many check points for so few people crowded together, and whose very existence is 100% controlled by Zionists, as if this should be a normalised condition with these folks behaving normally now for decades and here’s how to handle it. JonS can go aw…well you know.

  12. Another Dave
    Another Dave
    July 11, 2016, 6:38 pm

    That really happened? I ask because I can’t imagine attacking anyone in that manner. It looks like a badly choreographed bit of amateur acting.

    The lady looks like a zombie, slowly staggering towards the soldiers. The car driver must have been very fortunate to come on the scene as he did. Do soldiers in Israel really wait for the bus while in combat dress?

    It looked very odd.

    • jon s
      jon s
      July 12, 2016, 4:59 am

      As I pointed out, it looks more like an attempted suicide than a real attack.

      The soldiers were probably guarding the bus stop, not waiting for a bus.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 12, 2016, 12:06 pm

        “As I pointed out, it looks more like an attempted suicide than a real attack.”

        Yes, as you “pointed out”. Ah, yes, the disinterested observer has spoken.

        And now, “Jon s” will tell us the soldiers deserve a medal for their quick and appropriate mental health response. Always ready to serve suicidal Palestinians.

        Gee “Jon s” isn’t suicide the biggest cause of death among IDF troops?

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        July 12, 2016, 2:30 pm

        > jon s

        The soldiers were probably guarding the bus stop, not waiting for a bus.

        You’re absolutely right jon-y boy !

        I mean that’s a helluva spiffy bus stop, blue uprights, red roof, beautiful yellow posts – count’em, there must be half a dozen !
        What is really quite amazing is that a high end bus stop of such value had only two heavily armed soldiers to guard it !

  13. amigo
    amigo
    July 12, 2016, 7:00 am

    “As I pointed out, it looks more like an attempted suicide than a real attack.” Jon S

    She knew she could rely on the IDF thugs to grant her wish..They would probably get in more trouble for attempting to disarm her than shooting her. An insight into the mindset of the Apartheid and rogue regime

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 12, 2016, 7:42 am

      Even if we pretend it was an attempted suicide, it shows she was sure she could rely on those cowardly thugs to end her life very easily and quickly.

      These murderous thugs in uniform are notorious for shooting first and not asking questions.

  14. jon s
    jon s
    July 12, 2016, 9:13 am

    Kay24,
    In your country, what would most likely happen to a young Muslim woman , wielding a knife and approaching police officers or soldiers? Please answer honestly.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 12, 2016, 11:27 am

      Okay, it is easy for me to answer your comment honestly. In my country, at present there are incidents of African Americans being stopped by cops numerous times for no reason, and there are some incidents of cops killing some poor black citizen unnecessarily. This is unacceptable, and I have said that if they wish to disarm the suspect, they must shoot to not kill, but disarm. They also should make an attempt to physically disarm and pin down the suspect if possible.
      The suspect should be arrested and given the right to face a court of law, like any democratic nation is expected to do. They must shoot to kill ONLY if their lives are in immediate danger, and executing helpless human beings who are wounded or pinned down is not acceptable either.
      I should think any trained soldier (especially when there are two of them) should be able to disarm a woman who wields a knife, or one can conclude they are not trained well, or have the green light to kill irrespective of the situation.

      Unlike the zionist supporters here, I am NOT blind to the failings of my country, and I am able to criticize its failed policies, and the officials who are responsible for any human rights violations.
      I also criticize my government for the ridiculous amounts of aid and weapons that we keep sending to that minuscule nation that occupies and steals lands.
      It seems hard for some to admit their country is doing wrong. I am not one of them.
      Clear now?

    • Mr.T
      Mr.T
      July 12, 2016, 1:12 pm

      “In your country, what would most likely happen to a young Muslim woman , wielding a knife and approaching police officers or soldiers?”

      Why would you specify what would happen if a person approached police officers or soldiers presumably from that same country?? That’s not what is going on here.

      You should ask: what would happen if a native citizen wielding a knife, approached members of a brutal, illegal, foreign occupying army?? Ask that question and then we can have an honest conversation, rather than indulging in the BS lie that this was someone approaching law enforcement officers or even that those who were approached were legitimate authority figures or anything but illegal gunmen.

      And the answer is that this person would rightly be praised as a hero for fighting back against the occupying forces, while those occupying forces would likely commit yet another crime against her. How were Parisian partisans who fought the Nazis treated?

      • Ray984954
        Ray984954
        July 12, 2016, 6:27 pm

        JonS thinks Palestine is just a regular country not unlike any other ‘normal’ one or something. Palestine is occupied by squatters and was there way before Zionists came. Again,Zionists are squatters in Palestine when you look back at its nascent beginning, the Zionists forced themselves in and then said mine mine mine. That’s how it was created, but then it demanded all to recognise it’s birth as a normal occurence. AND the world through its collective guilt allowed the poor Palestinians to get crapped on and kept its decimation as Palestine as an allowed activity given to Zionists to do. Zionists today aren’t old enough to have been in a Holocaust, yet there are so many stories to keep reminding everyone of their plight, who could forget it, but what of the decades of Palestinian suffering and with no apology and no acknowledgement except it had to be done?(Benny Morris said so).

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 13, 2016, 1:06 am

        “JonS thinks Palestine is just a regular country not unlike any other ‘normal’ one or something. “

        “Jon s” is an American citizen, who lives in the Beersheva settlement he is the Stuart Smalley of squatters.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 12, 2016, 1:17 pm

      “Kay24 in your country…”,

      Well, well, look who has renounced his US citizenship!

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 12, 2016, 5:54 pm

        i think mondoweiss should do away with much of its comments policy page, because it truly does not mean its words.

        One of the goals of this site is to promote critical discussion and debate on US foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We want Mondoweiss to be a place that everyone feels comfortable visiting, to read and comment, regardless of political perspective. People might not always like what we post, but everyone should feel invited and encouraged to join the discussion, share their opinions, and engage in debate. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/policy/#sthash.1cQvOp8f.dpuf

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 13, 2016, 12:51 pm

        “People might not always like what we post, but everyone should feel invited and encouraged to join the discussion, share their opinions, and engage in debate”

        “Yonah” that is exactly what is happening! You might notice it does notsay ‘Zionists who are obviously lying and distorting out of self-interest should encounter no rebuttal’
        “Yonah” 200 million Jews is a lot, but we can’t control speech on the web.

      • otc
        otc
        July 13, 2016, 8:43 pm

        “i think mondoweiss should do away with much of its comments policy page, because it truly does not mean its words.”

        You’ve got a point. They probably came up with the one you quoted when they were just getting started and were all bright eyed and filled with good intentions. It’s laughable.

  15. amigo
    amigo
    July 12, 2016, 9:47 am

    “Kay24,
    In your country, what would most likely happen to a young Muslim woman , wielding a knife and approaching police officers or soldiers? Please answer honestly.” Jon S

    How would the police officer or soldier know she was a Muslim and is that a crime in “your ” country.

    That question Jon S removes any doubt in my mind about your mindset.Thanks for your honesty.

    • gamal
      gamal
      July 12, 2016, 10:14 am

      ” happen to a young Muslim woman , wielding a knife”

      During Eid I was in the company of many young Muslim women wielding knives they seemed like other (that is non-Muslim for me) women with knives, well they said they were Muslim but made me pray in front of them so they could have been doing the hokey-cokey for all I know or wielding dual use kitchen implements, i survived but was criticized for not putting chilli in the ta’amiya, there was a heated tahini disagreement but it was resolved with spoons.

      what does happen to Muslim women Jon?

      Muslim women if we can’t save them we should probably shoot them, Jon you are a real scream I don’t think even Max Narr will sit with you at lunch and Hophmi can’t reach you.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 12, 2016, 12:34 pm

      “That question Jon S removes any doubt in my mind about your mindset.Thanks for your honesty.”

      It’s just that “Jon s” has never had a conversation in his life which wasn’t predicated on common bigotries.
      And he is so disappointed we don’t share his bigotry. He so much wants Mondo to validate him. What a sad character he is.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 12, 2016, 5:15 pm

        I agree. It is sad when they cannot be honest enough to criticize what Israel has done, keeps doing, and it is sadder to see such denial, when videos can be so revealing.

    • Ray984954
      Ray984954
      July 12, 2016, 6:30 pm

      Is it possible he does not know there are Christian Palestinians in Gaza and WB and even Jerusalem?

  16. jon s
    jon s
    July 13, 2016, 1:43 am

    I suggest that you all re-read my original comment, above. I did NOT justify shooting the girl with the knife. And I oppose the occupation , and the settlements, and the present goverment’s policies in general. I support efforts to achieve peace through the two state solution.

    I identified the girl with the knife as a Muslim because of the traditional headscarf.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 13, 2016, 2:02 am

      “And I oppose the occupation , and the settlements, and the present goverment’s policies in general.”

      Yeah, yeah, you just live in a settlement, but you oppose them. Sure.
      And you are good-looking enough, smart enough, and goddammit, people like you!

      And you don’t oppose squat “policies” You depend on those policies for your very existence. And if they don’t succeed, you can jump on a plane and come home to the US, and let real Israelis take the hit.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 13, 2016, 8:37 am

      You could have fooled me….from your comment you seemed to justify the killing by asking me what would have happened to this girl in “my country”, as if you excused those murderous trigger happy thugs in uniform. Strange, for someone who opposes the occupation and illegal settlements you also seem to challenge the facts that come out in these articles and keep justifying the crimes of the occupier.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 13, 2016, 9:10 am

      || jon s: … I support efforts to achieve peace through the two state solution. … ||

      You support a “peace” that lets Israel remain a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”, lets it keep most of what it has stolen and absolves it of most (if not all) of its past and on-going (war) crimes.

      Your “peace” does not include justice, accountability or equality.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 13, 2016, 10:15 am

        || eljay: … You support a “peace” that … absolves [Israel] of most (if not all) of its past and on-going (war) crimes. ||

        And most (if not all) of its obligations under international law (such as RoR of refugees).

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 13, 2016, 12:54 pm

        “Mr T”, you may notice that “Jon s” claims he is an “Israeli history teacher” in his archive.
        And I for one, do not doubt him at all.

    • Mr.T
      Mr.T
      July 13, 2016, 11:24 am

      “I did NOT justify shooting the girl with the knife. And I oppose the occupation , and the settlements, and the present goverment’s policies in general.”

      So then you praise the girl for attempting to defend her homeland from illegal invaders? Or is your “opposition” one of mere personal whim, “oh, if I were magic, I’d make it all go away, but don’t you occupied people dare do anything in response to your oppression…”

      “I support efforts to achieve peace through the two state solution.”

      So do you mean two states, whereby Palestine and Israel are equal with Palestine being capable of any and all defensive weapons that Israel is permitted, including nukes, and has unconditional right to the entirety of the land on its side of the 1967 lines?? Or do you mean “states” whereby Israel will find a Palestinian Rumkowski to govern over whatever landlocked Bantustan Israel allows, and then expect that we’ll all pretend that justice is done??

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 15, 2016, 4:58 am

        MrT,
        I think that all people living under a brutal occupation – including the Palestinians in the West Bank- have the right to resist.
        Resist occupation – yes.
        Resort to terrorism – no.
        I certainly wouldn’t praise a girl who looks like she’s trying to get herself killed.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2016, 12:59 pm

        Gee, “Jon s” why is it that every “resistance to occupation” is “terrorism”?

        Why don’t you find us some thing from the Israeli press, anything, which calls any Palestinian action, a “resistance to occupation” and not “terrorism”?

        And why do you constantly use the same cheap rhetorical tricks that you use on your students? Are you that convinced that all non-Jewish people are stupid? Or is it all non-Zionists?

        “Jon s”, can you give me a single reason why that women wouldn’t be terrified she was about to be raped by the IDF guys? After all, the “theoretical discussion” quickly becomes piratical.

        “Remember what the IDF CHIEF Rabbi Qarim said, Uri? She’s ours!”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2016, 1:14 pm

        “I certainly wouldn’t praise a girl who looks like she’s trying to get herself killed. “

        Yeah, the soldiers were doing her a big mitzva, huh “Jon s”?

        Isn’t that one of the Ten Commandments? “That shalt not murder, except when they ask for it. Thou shalt add insult to injury, thus saith…”

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 15, 2016, 4:07 pm

        || Mooser: … “Jon s”, can you give me a single reason why that women wouldn’t be terrified she was about to be raped by the IDF guys? … ||

        You’ve got it all wrong. hophmi explained that there’s no reason for her to be terrified because:
        – IDF guy gets to take her prisoner (whether she likes it or not).
        – He has 30 days to decide whether or not he wants to keep her (whether she likes it or not).
        – If, after 30 days, he decides that he does want to keep her, he marries her (whether she likes it or not).
        – And then he gets to have sex with her (whether she likes it or not).

        See? It’s all very civilized!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 16, 2016, 12:02 am

        “See? It’s all very civilized!”

        After all, it’s a “theoretical discussion”.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 15, 2016, 1:06 pm

      “I identified the girl with the knife as a Muslim because of the traditional headscarf.”

      “I identified the soldiers as Jews because of the traditional….”

  17. tod77
    tod77
    July 13, 2016, 9:44 am

    I think this video shows the sad reality.
    You have a Palestinian girl and 2 Israeli soldiers, probably the same age as her – neither with any idea what they want out of the situation.
    The girl approaches with a knife, insecure, unsure of what to do really – she hasn’t trained for the situation. She has most likely never stabbed any one in her life. Whatever preparation she had fell to pieces when confronted with 2 armed soldiers. She won’t let herself back down so she just advances forward waiting for them to shoot.
    The 2 soldiers have been taught to shoot guns at cardboard targets, but by the look of them this is the first combat situation they have ever been in. And this is not what they imagined. No one trained them to disarm a knifed attacker. No one gave them equipment to do so. They want to run away, but if they do so could she then go and stab someone else? Do they try and tackle her and risk being stabbed?They’re not policemen. They haven’t been trained to do that. They back away not knowing what to do, but she keeps advancing. And one of them shoots. Thankfully this time it ends with no lives lost.

    This is what happens when an occupying army is thrust into an occupied civilian population.
    I don’t blame the girl. I don’t blame the soldiers. I blame the leaders who are unable to put an end to this tragic reality.
    The saddest part of the story is that the outcome of the incident will be both sides treating the participants as heroes. Instead of trying to prevent these things from happening – the status quo will be preserved and glorified.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 13, 2016, 1:35 pm

      , “but by the look of them this is the first combat situation they have ever been in. “

      “Combat situation”?

      Avi: “You run around behind her”
      Uri: “Okay, I guess, I’ll try it!”
      Avi: “Good! You’re a real macher, a shtarker What are you waiting for, get going”
      Uri: “Let go of my arm, already!
      Avi: ” We’re not supposed to split up, the Capt. said so!”
      Uri: “Say, have you heard what the new IDF Chief Rabbi said…”
      Avi: “But from behind? I’m not sure if that’s kosher
      Uri: “Call Shmuelly Boteach for advice, he knows about that kind of stuff…”
      Avi: “We could just move off, and call for back-up and an ambulance.”
      Uri: “And give up our historical homeland? No way, I’ll shoot first.”

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 13, 2016, 1:44 pm

        || Mooser @ July 13, 2016, 1:35 pm ||

        I think you nailed it! :-)

      • amigo
        amigo
        July 13, 2016, 4:51 pm

        Mooser , mind if I add a line??.

        Avi , “Wait a minute , let,s both shoot her and we will both be promoted ,Hell , we might even get a ” Lehi Ribbon of honour”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 13, 2016, 6:04 pm

        “Wait a minute , let,s both shoot her …”

        Uri: “No, I’ll shoot her and say I acted to protect you.”
        Avi: “My hero! She will be your prisoner. Are you going to marry her in 30 days?”
        Uri: “If she recovers, I may ask her. I’m not a barbarian, you know.”

      • tod77
        tod77
        July 14, 2016, 2:04 am

        “Neither irony or sarcasm is argument”
        – Samuel Butler

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 14, 2016, 7:58 am

        || Mooser: …
        Avi: “My hero! She will be your prisoner. Are you going to marry her in 30 days?”
        … ||

        Uri: “If she recovers, I’ll ask her if I may *wink-wink* ‘marry’ her. I’m not a barbarian, you know.”
        Avi: “What if she says ‘no’?”
        Uri: “I’ll ‘marry’ her anyway. I mean, c’mon, 30 days is a long time to wait to ‘marry’ a prisoner. I’m not made of stone, y’know!”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 14, 2016, 3:28 pm

        “Neither irony or sarcasm is argument”
        – Samuel Butler

        And neither is pilpul.

  18. Mooser
    Mooser
    July 13, 2016, 2:49 pm

    “I think you nailed it! :-)

    Avi: “You know, now that I think of what Chief Rabbi Rapin said about foreign women, that stuff gets around, maybe she’s scared to death, maybe she’s been abused by IDF guys before. Why not back off?
    Uri: Moser! That’s your Jewish self-hatred talking! Don’t internalize antisemitism, go get her, Avi! We’ll just backdate the report by 30 days or so. The Rabbi is a stickler for correct procedure in these things.

  19. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    July 15, 2016, 8:47 am

    @jon s
    “I think that all people living under a brutal occupation – including the Palestinians in the West Bank- have the right to resist. Resist occupation – yes. Resort to terrorism – no”

    Just a quick hypothetical question on this and I hope that you will do me the honour of a quick response.

    A Jewish woman/girl in Nazi occupied Europe in the mid 1940`s attacks an SS soldier.

    Is that terrorism ?

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