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Two weeks ago the New York Times Magazine ran a glowing profile of the writer Cynthia Ozick, 88, as a moral crusader that did her the service of leaving out her racist views of Palestinians. No mention, for instance, of this prejudiced statement: “By replacing history with fantasy, the Palestinians have invented a society unlike any other, where hatred trumps bread. They have reared children unlike any other children, removed from ordinary norms and behaviors.”

Tomorrow’s New York Times Book Review gives up another page to Ozick to propound her views. Nor surprisingly, many of these views involve the treatment of Jews as the central historical experience of the west.

Q. What’s the last great book you read?

Ozick: “Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition,” by David Nirenberg. Not about anti-Semitism per se, this landmark study in the history of ideas is also, and stunningly, a history of how the tendentious workings of imagination have shaped not merely Christian and Islamic religious dogma but the entire span of secular philosophy. An indispensable book that left me in irredeemable despair…

Q. If you had to name one book that made you who you are today, what would it be?

Ozick: A book that Kafka also read, and that electrified me when, at 17, I discovered it on a bookshelf in Newark, N.J.: the six-volume “History of the Jews,” by Heinrich Graetz, first published in 1891, translated from the German…. [I]t taught me that a writer lacking history, however gifted, is an empty sack…

Q. If you could require the president to read one book, what would it be?

Ozick: “History of the Jews,” by Heinrich Graetz.

The Times writes about the late Elie Wiesel and ignores his racism. They write about Ozick and ignore her racism. Obviously they have made a conscious choice to lionize these two and ignore their anti-Palestinian racism. If they did discuss it, it would raise the obvious point that concern for anti-semitism has in some people morphed into anti-Palestinian racism. We really can’t think of another case where this happens. But if the liberal mainstream ever acknowledged how concern for antisemitism has morphed into a new form of racism in many cases, it would shoot down nearly all the remaining arguments people make to distract attention from Israel’s crimes.

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  1. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2016, 4:04 pm

    “….many of these views involve the treatment of Jews as the central historical experience of the west.” If you go to Japan and look at a map, Japan is the center of the map.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 10, 2016, 3:22 am

      Japanese maps are perfectly sensible, since they follow the pattern of Australian maps and show the Pacific and the Americas to the right of Australia and Europe, Africa, and most of Asia to the left.

      British maps are centred on the Prime Meridian, with the Americas to the left and just about everything else to the right.

      American maps are crazy.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2016, 12:36 pm

        “American maps are crazy.”

        This stuff about maps is nothing but projection!

  2. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2016, 4:09 pm

    If you go to Japan and look at a map, Japan is located at the center of the map. Japan has what, a population of 127 million? The Russian noble prize winner, writer of many best selling serious books, wrote 200 Years Together what, ten or 15 years ago? It was promptly translated into French and German–it’s yet to be translated and publish in the English language. Would be interesting to read it alongside Jewish writers of Jewish history covering the same time and place, but we don’t get to do that, do we?

    • tokyobk
      tokyobk
      July 10, 2016, 8:36 am

      At Occidental Observer, Veterans Today, Stormfront and DavidDuke.com, its Gospel that the Jews have fearfully prevented the the English publication of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together and are, as a hive group, hostile to its existence.

      Not that fact will ever deter the person who is inclined to find a Jew, or the Jews, behind everything, but in this case, there is in fact a partial translation in English published by a house– in fact founded by anti-antisemite WF Buckley and a Jewish partner. More is supposedly forthcoming.

      And those rags accusing Jews of shutting down translations with Jewish omnipotence, have translated the work as well, with no apparent consequences yet. So where is this power and why has it failed?

      Most importantly, while the work has indeed been called antisemitic by -some- Jews, it has been praised by other Jews, such historian emeritus at Harvard Richard Pipes. Meanwhile it has been parsed and criticised by various non-Jewish writers and historians. Why wouldn’t it, like any book, find fans and foes within many groups?

      The book itself is of course, not anti-semitic, as anyone who used that word judiciously would agree. Nor does it refrain from depicting the horrors of anti-Semitism and regularity of pogroms. Simply, it argues that these were almost never state sponsored.

      So, when you say it should be read along other works of Jewish history and that ‘we don’t get that, do we?’ you need to understand you are talking about you and people like you, not ‘we’ generally because the book has been read and discussed by many normative people interested in the subject.

      I can’t asses the nuances of Russian, but I do find the title a bit off-putting like your references to Dick and Jane America, as if David and Judith are not also regular citizens. Have Jews and Russians been two entities living together? or were Russian Jews part of Russia? I know some Zionists and anti semites like the idea of unassimilable Jews, but I for one don:t.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 10, 2016, 1:24 pm

        “in fact founded by anti-antisemite WF Buckley and a Jewish partner.”

        “Mr. Buckley said…he had reached “an illumination, an analytical epiphany,” to wit: “I am prepared to say that anybody who would permit Israel to go down militarily is probably motivated by anti-Semitism.”

        That good ol anti-antisemite, Bill Buckley.

      • Keith
        Keith
        July 10, 2016, 4:07 pm

        TOKYOBK- “At Occidental Observer, Veterans Today, Stormfront and DavidDuke.com….”

        You spend a lot of time at these websites, do you? If any Mondo Gentile was to spend as much time perusing these sites, you would consider that as prima facie evidence of anti-Semitism. But you and other Jews go to these sites searching for evidence of rampant anti-Semitism, as if these sites represented the mainstream. Anything to support your unfounded ideology of victimhood.

        TOKYOBK- “…its Gospel that the Jews have fearfully prevented the the English publication of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together….”

        Who, besides you, cares what is “Gospel” at these websites? Why are you dishonestly trying to conflate Citizen with Stormfront? You have engaged in a strawman argument loosely based upon Citizen’s comment. His main point, as I interpret it, is that Ozick has focused on Jewish myth-history rather than more object sources, “The Jewish Century” by Yuri Slezkine, for example. For his part, Citizen may be overestimating the significance of Solzhenitsyn’s book compared to Slezkine’s, but so what? Hardly a justification for conflating him with Stormfront, etc.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 5:09 pm

        Tokyo,

        For the umpteenth time, who gives a rat’s $$ about storms and the like, anymore… but that’s already been said nicely by Keith.

        As for “David and Judith” not being “regular citizens”, you’ll remember that a foreign lobby that to all practical purposes controls Congress is shrilly insisting that they are not. So who are we to judge, in the absence of a clear and loud rejection by the interested themselves?

        By the way, your Dicks and Janes have an irritating tendency to have real hardcore biblical names, not just David and Judith, especially in the heartlands.

  3. Keith
    Keith
    July 9, 2016, 4:20 pm

    PHIL WEISS & DONALD JOHNSON- “If they did discuss it, it would raise the obvious point that concern for anti-semitism has in some people morphed into anti-Palestinian racism.”

    Concern for anti-Semitism rather understates the case, don’t you think? Myopic emphasis on anti-Semitism and the Holocaust is at the core of Zionist ideology, a Judeocentric focus the logical outcome. Both Wiesel and Ozick seem to have profited from tribal solidarity and the propagation of Zionist mythology. And anti-Palestinian racism is but a more extreme manifestation of hostility towards non-Jews in general.

    • Donald
      Donald
      July 10, 2016, 11:59 am

      Wiesel was a Holocaust survivor and Ozick’s family immigrated to America to escape pogroms, so if I want to use understatement I’d say it would be natural for them to be concerned about antisemitism. I can’t see how one could blame them for that. ( More understatement). The problem is their bigotry towards Palestinians and their unwillingness to recognize that any oppressed group can become oppressors.

      But the bigger problem is that people like Wiesel and Ozick are held up as moral gurus when they were/ are bigoted against Palestinians.

      • Keith
        Keith
        July 10, 2016, 4:39 pm

        DONALD- “Wiesel was a Holocaust survivor and Ozick’s family immigrated to America to escape pogroms, so if I want to use understatement I’d say it would be natural for them to be concerned about antisemitism.”

        Concerned? More like fealty to Zionist dogma. In Wiesel’s case, it is how he earned his living and got rich in them process. This is the gilded victimhood of the Jewish elite.

      • Donald
        Donald
        July 10, 2016, 10:40 pm

        I’m not a fan of Wiesel, but people are complicated. He was a Holocaust survivor, so, yeah, I think he really did care about antisemitism. You have to imagine him as some sort of demon to think he didn’t. It was wrong that he became a tribalist and said horrible racist things about Palestinians and he wasn’t a saint or conscience of the world, but ” gilded cage” is something I’d use about some jackass born in the US who has never experienced one second of actual oppression, not someone who lived through the Holocaust.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 10, 2016, 11:51 pm

        Keith,

        Egg-zack-ly! You hit the head on the nail!
        If the bastard is making moocho money out of that blackmail (and way more for the Zionist entity), there is no claiming good faith. If your interlocutor can’t see how to blame a mountebank who set up a system to make money for a state that didn’t exist at the time and for one totally talentless, whiny, gloomy trash writer to extort millions of dollars by exploiting the memory of millions of dead people and still unpaid survivors, there’s no one he will ever blame for anything.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        July 11, 2016, 4:01 am

        if one wished to write a book about the overlap of antisemitism and antizionism, keith’s comments would be a fine place to start.

      • Mr.T
        Mr.T
        July 11, 2016, 8:33 am

        “but people are complicated.”

        Some are. Wiesel wasn’t. He was a fraud. A person who took a legitimate oppression against himself and whored it out to oppress others.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 11, 2016, 10:26 am

        Mr Fredman,

        You again start slandering without even trying to provide either a definition or concrete proof.

        Remember, you still have at least one such unanswered vile smear still left uncleaned, no matter the several reminders. In fact, you again behaved as the proverbial “nice rain!” in answer to spit in your face.

        It seems typical of all Zionists that they seem to lack human self-respect.

      • Keith
        Keith
        July 11, 2016, 1:44 pm

        YONAH FREDMAN- “if one wished to write a book about the overlap of antisemitism and antizionism, keith’s comments would be a fine place to start.”

        The old anti-Semitism or the new anti-Semitism? Under the old anti-Semitism, an anti-Semite was someone who hated Jews. Under the new anti-Semitism, an anti-Semite is someone the Jews hate. Awful lot of new anti-Semitism perceived by Zionists such as you. As the Chinese say, “May you live in interesting times!”

      • Keith
        Keith
        July 11, 2016, 2:50 pm

        Everyone, below is a link to an old Seafoid comment containing a link to a part of the “Defamation” film in which Norman Finkelstein discusses this very issue. The video runs about 9.5 minutes and is worth a look. I am in agreement with Finkelstein on this issue.
        Link to Seafoid link to Finkelstein in Defamation-
        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/sheldon-adelson-problem#comment-753997

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        July 11, 2016, 4:17 pm

        Seafoid and indeed Walid are sorely missed.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        July 11, 2016, 6:44 pm

        re: “a link to an old Seafoid comment containing a link to a part of the “Defamation” film”

        Thanks for the link. Another example of the value of comments, at least for those with good memories, or good bookmarks.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 15, 2016, 3:30 am

        Reb Fredman,

        Nice morning, no? What about providing a definition and precise proof umpteenth “antisemitism” slander? It’s only been like 10 days and X number of reminders.
        Putting up or admitting you have no self-respect at all?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 15, 2016, 12:35 pm

        “Putting up or admitting you have no self-respect at all?”

        “Echin”, you will just confuse him. He has no idea what “self-respect” is.
        As far as I can see, “Yonah” thinks “self-respect” consists of equal parts self-pity and Jewish chauvinism.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        July 23, 2016, 7:25 pm

        Keith

        “In Wiesel’s case, it is how he earned his living and got rich in the process.”

        And he remained “rich” until he met huckster Bernie Madoff who cleaned him out.
        Poetic justice.

  4. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 9, 2016, 4:24 pm

    Obama would be reading an abridged version of Graetz’s history book. Even in the original German language, although 20% more to read, significant parts of Jewish history, e.g., in Poland, are left out. See
    The biases of Heinrich Graetz, first significant historian of the Jewish people:
    http://menachemmendel.net/blog/the-biases-of-heinrich-graetz/

  5. Stephen Shenfield
    Stephen Shenfield
    July 9, 2016, 5:18 pm

    Ozick forgot to tell Obama to read Graetz in the original German.

  6. lyn117
    lyn117
    July 9, 2016, 6:40 pm

    I think it’s fake, drummed up concern for anti-semitism. I can’t remember a time when criticism of Israel hasn’t been called anti-semitic. Or there wasn’t a lot of racism against Arabs by supporters of Israel.

  7. klm90046
    klm90046
    July 9, 2016, 8:10 pm

    Why would the US edition of the Jerusalem Post say anything about the atrocities committed by European occupiers of Palestine? Why would it point out errors, even lies, in hasbara put out by ultra-Zionists? Why would it show any understanding of the humanity of Palestinians?

    It only publishes “All the News That’s Fit to Print.”

  8. The JillyBeans
    The JillyBeans
    July 9, 2016, 8:15 pm

    How about irredeemable conceit on the part of this Ozick person?

    I wouldn’t run around demanding everyone read six volumes about black American slavery.

    Oddly enough, regardless of how well read (in one topic only it seems) she is, she’s still an ignorant dufus. And a bigot.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 9, 2016, 10:23 pm

      @j

      I would be very interested in reading a six volume history of blacks in North America. It would precede the demand to read a six volume history of the US civil war.

      She was asked her opinion by a reporter, not running around “demanding” people read anything they don’t want to read. I guess that would make you the “dufus” not she.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        July 9, 2016, 11:54 pm

        You think Obama read Geronimo’s story about his tribe and himself? You think his mother ever read about Ireland’s potato famine, or he? Think Ozick read either?

      • Mr.T
        Mr.T
        July 10, 2016, 12:11 pm

        “She was asked her opinion by a reporter,”

        True, and she proved herself to be a third-rate mind with a fourth-rate morality.

      • traintosiberia
        traintosiberia
        July 10, 2016, 4:53 pm

        If her hopes are to modify Islam to her image of what it should be,then we have a big problem on our hands . Usually ideas in Zionism take shape over the years . It germinate and growse slowly . The environment is created for the germination. Gardener is found to water .River is redirected to draw the water .

        Yoded Yinon took 40 yrs to materialize in the process we saw the defeat of Carter,Bush sr,corrupting of Clinton, enslavement of Bush Cheney, millions of non American dead,thousands of American killed in war and in suicide,destruction of Syria,Yemen,Somalia,Ghaddafi,Libya and Iraq.

        This woman of virtue ,integrity vision,and humanism wants to cement her legacy as virtuous,humane honest,and bold visionary attempts to heal Islam from without just the way Iraq. Libya,Syria were .
        She gainst the confidence thatshe could in knowing the fact the free roaming of Cheney,Blair,PNAC crowd continue to be unhindered that none have faced hard labor in penitentiary.

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        July 14, 2016, 10:18 pm
  9. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    July 10, 2016, 2:22 am

    NYT Book Review:
    Q. If you could require the president to read one book, what would it be?
    Require – “insist upon; demand; order”

    You see DaBakr, it wasn’t simply a suggestion to the president, but a DEMAND, that he read Graetz’s 6 volume history.
    Who’s the “dufus” now, eh DaBakr ?

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 12, 2016, 2:50 pm

      @lr

      You are still the dufus because you keep ventilating about an academics hypothetical opinion. She isn’t really demanding anything for anyone despite your earnest use of a dictionary to prove otherwise. but then you have always been powerfully afraid of jewish zionist domination

      • lonely rico
        lonely rico
        July 14, 2016, 10:21 pm

        Like the mad hatter (“words mean what I want them to mean”), DaBakr will decide on the meaning of the words spoken by Ozick.

        ,,, your earnest use of a dictionary to prove otherwise. but then you have always been powerfully afraid of jewish zionist domination

        I am powerfully DISGUSTED by Jewish Zionist cruel criminality –

        thousands of murdered Palestinian children

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 14, 2016, 11:47 pm

        ” but then you have always been powerfully afraid of jewish zionist domination”

        He has every reason to be. The power of 200 million Zionist Jews will not be denied! If he was smart, he would just lay back and accept the inevitable “jewish zionist domination”.

  10. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 10, 2016, 3:24 am

    “Ozick says Obama needs 6-volume history of Jews on his bedside table ”

    To put him to sleep from boredom?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 13, 2016, 10:45 am

      I think the question was what history book about Jews she would recommend.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 14, 2016, 12:15 am

        To which the correct answer is “None. There are more important things for him to learn about.”

  11. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 10, 2016, 6:51 am

    Ozick may make stupid suggestions, but it is obvious she has not read simple UN resolutions explaining that Israel keeps violating international laws and ignoring the truth and supporting the occupier, pretending Israel the aggressor is the victim, simply shows ignorance or arrogance.
    Time SHE read up UN resolutions regarding the occupation and land theft,
    instead of making a fool of herself.

    “United Nations Security Council resolution 446, adopted on 22 March 1979, concerned the issue of Israeli settlements in the “Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem”.[1] This refers to the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip as well as the Syrian Golan Heights.

    In the Resolution, the Security Council determined: “that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East”

    The Resolution was adopted by 12 votes to none, with 3 abstentions from Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States of America.”

  12. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    July 10, 2016, 1:39 pm

    I think I may need to read Nirenberg’s ‘great’ (per Ozick) book on Anti-Judaism. It has received many laudatory reviews, but there’s an interesting 2014 critical review (h-net) by Albert Lindemann, to be set beside John Klier’s 2000 critical review of Lindemann’s own work. For Israel and Egypt in traditional Western culture I’d recommend Jan Assmann’s ‘Moses the Egyptian’, quite readable. Wouldn’t overload the President’s bedside table.

  13. Neil Schipper
    Neil Schipper
    July 10, 2016, 8:21 pm

    … this prejudiced statement: “By replacing history with fantasy, the Palestinians…”

    The “pre” is an appendage, selected to advance the radical leftist agenda. Ozick’s views are judiced — they are judgements based on ten thousand pieces of evidence.

    … and ignore their anti-Palestinian racism.

    Anti-Palestinian racism exists in Jewish Israel, but it’s a racism whose reach and intensity are far below what is common throughout the ME&NA which is rife with centuries old sectarian and ethnic hatreds.

    It’s anti-Arab survivalism and self-preservationism that burns bright throughout Jewish Israeli society.

    Radical leftists lie. They lie for power they don’t deserve, and power they abuse horrendously whenever they hold it.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      July 10, 2016, 10:11 pm

      Far below …. yeah right

      More racist incitement and calls for murder.

      http://m.jpost.com/#article=6017NEFDQzBGMjlCRDA5QkI5NThCQjEzN0IwMThEMTBGNTU=

      Pot, kettle

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 11, 2016, 8:33 am

      || Neil Schipper: … Anti-Palestinian racism exists in Jewish Israel … ||

      No surprise there, given that Israel was envisioned as, was established as and exists as a religion-supremacist state. Supremacists aren’t known for being tolerant of the people they deem inferior.

      || … but it’s a racism whose reach and intensity are far below what is common throughout the ME&NA … ||

      You can always count on Zio-supremacists to promote Israel as a “moral beacon”, a “Western-style democracy” and a “light unto the nations”, but to defend Israel as less bad than Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

    • Mr.T
      Mr.T
      July 11, 2016, 9:06 am

      “It’s anti-Arab survivalism and self-preservationism that burns bright throughout Jewish Israeli society”

      LMAO. Yeah, the Nazis claimed that their racism was about their own survival and self-preservation, too; the KKK in America claims the same. It’s bs when they do it, and it’s bs when you cheerleaders for Israeli racism spout the same nonsense.

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