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Jewish activist who counseled Lorde on BDS gets the full ‘kapo’ treatment in the Israeli press

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“A Jew boycotting Israel? Must be a joke” is the title of an article by Assaf Wohl, published Wednesday on the Israeli Ynet. It is a vile, ignorant and even anti-Semitic rant against Justine Sachs, a Jewish activist from New Zealand for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) who was instrumental in persuading her compatriot pop-singer Lorde to cancel her performance in Israel due for June (as Lorde announced last Sunday).

Assaf Wohl is an Israeli author of… an empty book. His 137-page blank book titled “The History of the Palestinian nation From Ancient Times to the Modern Era” was published this year and even sold on Amazon before it was pulled. Israel’s top diplomat, deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely, even used his book to wave at Palestinian-Israeli parliament members, calling them “thieves of the Jewish history” in her fulmination against the UNESCO recognition of Al-Khalil (Hebron) as a Palestinian World Heritage Site. Wohl’s empty book received an amazing 2nd place in her inciteful presentation, after the bible.

So now Wohl continues in his tradition of emptiness, this time with some actual words, in his op-ed on the major daily Yediot Aharonot’s website Ynet.

Wohl hurls thinly veiled accusations of Sachs being a kind of Nazi-collaborator, a ‘kapo’, when he writes:

“[Y]ou choose to play the role of the classic Jewish wimp, who has to prove his animosity towards his Jewish brethren in order to survive. You’re not the first person to do so. Some people, by the way, have been much more successful than you, and this isn’t the place to quote from the history of the early 1940s.”

Usage of the notion of ‘kapos,’ the name for Jewish prisoner guards who worked in Nazi death camps, is common among Zionists who attack other Jews whom they perceive as too liberal, unto the level of treason. US Ambassador David Friedman, who is a major settler supporter, has used the term “worse than kapos” to describe even the liberal Zionist group J Street.

In using the term “classic Jewish wimp”, Wohl is playing on the “strong Jew” notion which has informed Zionist idealism and thinking from its very early stages. Zionist leader Max Nordau had coined the term “Muskeljudentum” (‘Muscular Judaism’) in the 2nd Zionist Congress 1898.

Wohl makes it clear that the essential difference between him and Sachs is precisely this ‘nationalism’:

“The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. You have no nationality. You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”, he writes.

This formulation is really novel, and deserves special attention. Because the fact of the matter is that Wohl has simply turned reality on its head, and made a huge case for Jewish involvement in BDS; he just doesn’t realize it. You see, it is Wohl, who as an Israeli, does not have a nationality. This is because Israel does not recognize an Israeli nationality (as I have written). To put it bluntly – Israelis simply don’t exist in a national sense. Sachs, on the other hand, can be a New- Zealand national as well as a Jew. But Wohl cannot be both a Jew as well as an Israeli national. He can only be a JEWISH national, according to Israel’s definition of nationality. This novel construct exists precisely because Israel seeks to be the Jewish State, and hence the only ones who enjoy actual national rights, as opposed to mere citizenship rights, are Jews. This whole construct means that all Jews wherever they be, are considered ‘Jewish nationals’ by Israel, and hence eligible for automatic citizenship under its Law of Return. This fact makes Jews all over the world complicit in Israel’s policies, according to Israel itself. And that makes a very strong case indeed for Jews all over the world to oppose Israeli policies. So Wohl is not only wrong, he makes a huge case for Jews supporting BDS internationally.

Wohl furthermore addresses ‘auto anti-Semitism’ to Sachs, in a formulation which suggests that her notions are just laughable:

“Personally, I believe this is something even more Jewish than auto-anti-Semitism. As a Jew to a Jew, let’s be honest, it’s the same unique Jewish sense of humor”, he writes.

Thus Wohl applies the term which Education Minister Naftali Bennet recently explained, ‘auto Anti-Semitism’, as a trendy form of the famous ‘Jewish self-hater’ accusation.  

Wohl projects violence on Sachs:

“Do you want to know what you’ve caused by violently and childishly pushing for this boycott? I’ll give you a hint: Violence brings more violence”, he writes.

This is again turning reality on its head. Where is the evidence for Sachs acting ‘violently’? There is none. Because BDS is by definition a non-violent movement, protesting against state violence through democratic non-violent means. Wohl seeks to portray Israel as a non-violent state, which Sachs supposedly causes to become violent through her protest. In an attempt to strengthen his claim about violence, Wohl suggests that the whole Palestinian (or perhaps he would call it Arab) culture is one of terror and nothing else:

I, for example, feel no need to take the side of a culture which hasn’t brought anything to the world apart from terror. The confidence I am given by the Israeli nationality allows me to pick the democratic, free side.”

Wohl is suggesting that a mere siding with the other side is violence, whilst a mere siding with Israel is siding with ‘democracy and freedom’.

Wohl regurgitates various tiresome and typical Hasbara points to bolster the ‘democracy and freedom’ points:

“Only a particularly developed Jewish sense of humor can explain why you have chosen to turn your back on the democratic, Western side, which develops medicine (at least until Teva goes bankrupt), feeds millions around the world through agricultural developments, sends doctors to every place hit by an earthquake across the globe and develops cyber defenses against the forces of evil.”

That, as opposed to the ‘Palestinian side:’

“which hijacks planes, the side which hangs gay people on electric poles, the side which rips out girls’ throats in honor killings, the side which has failed to establish any state or society which isn’t totalitarian, chauvinist, primitive and/or murderous”.

Wohl finally ends his piece with an offer to send Sachs a copy of his empty book, assuring that

“you’ll be able to read the entire book in less than one minute”.

But Wohl’s piece in Ynet also took about a minute to read, and the bile therein was cloak for as much emptiness as his other grand achievement, the empty book.

The question then becomes, how does Yediot Aharonot, a mainstream Israeli outlet representing the center in terms of politics and opinion, allow itself to publish such anti-Semitic garbage?

The answer seems to lie in the close relationship between the Israeli ministry of Hasbara and Yedioth Ahronoth. I had mentioned lately during the controversy over Ahed Tamimi:

As the Israeli Seventh Eye has been uncovering recently, the Israeli Ministry of Strategic affairs under Gilad Erdan is also a ministry of Hasbara, which has been infusing millions of shekels into various organizations worldwide in an attempt to bolster Israel’s image through supposedly independent organizations. This also includes Israeli media such as Yedioth Ahronoth– the same media which hosted an anti-BDS conference last year, the same media which was ready and rolling yesterday, when Israeli lawmaker Oren Hazan (Likud) got on an ICRC bus of Gazan Palestinian families visiting relatives in Israeli prison, calling them “dogs”, “human scum” and “beasts”. As the Seventh Eye’s Itamar Benzaquen notes, “the relationship between the Ministry of Strategic Affairs and Yedioth Ahronoth is only part of a much broader, well-funded campaign: in June and July of 2017 the ministry spent nearly NIS 7 million ($2 million) on spreading its messaging to the public in Israel and abroad. That is larger than any of the other campaigns that have been exposed by The Seventh Eye in recent years.”

Is Assaf Wohl’s piece a part of this campaign? If so, the campaign promises to be great for BDS. Such pieces only strengthen its cause.

It is doubtful that we will hear any significant uproar from Israelis about how Jews are being attacked with anti-Semitic tropes. When Prime Minister Netanyahu recently threw Jewish Philanthropist George Soros under the bus after a thinly veiled anti-Semitic ad campaign aimed at Soros by Hungarian President Viktor Orban, this garnered relatively little outrage in Israel. After a critical statement about the ads by the Israeli Ambassador, Netanyahu hastened to override it by pointing out that “in no way was the statement meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself”.

Because for most Israelis, BDS is representative of a challenge to their Zionist religion – which is the real state-religion of Israel, and not Judaism. As Israeli journalist Gideon Levy says, “Zionism is Israel’s fundamentalist religion”, and Levy also argues that BDS is “the only game in town”. There are several of us Israelis who understand this. But Wohl would call us ‘auto anti-Semites’, whilst spouting his anti-Semitic curses at us, even if he thinks we’re “Israeli nationals”. For him and his like, we’re just traitors, ‘kapos’, “the wrong kind of Jews”, as Zionist leader and Israel’s 1st President Chaim Weizmann would say. And for Israelis to challenge Wohl might seem like a question of ‘taking sides’ – ‘Western democracy and freedom’ versus ‘terrorism’. For most Israelis, BDS still somehow represents “the forces of evil” as Wohl formulates it, and they are likely to keep quiet about this.

That’s why we need more people like Justine Sachs.

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  1. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    December 30, 2017, 3:37 pm

    A) Wohl did not use the term “kappa” but the author here did.” There is a lot more to early 40s despicable Jews in history then kapos.

    B) Author is basically answering a critical rant by Wohl and Hotoveley with a similar rant of his own. Basically tit for tat.

    C) maybe author feels like (or has) he has been attacked and accused of being like a ‘kapo’ . He is not. Kapo’s did what they felt was necessary to protect either their own small family or their village tribe or even more. Author simple hates the zionist nation of israel and won’t stop hating it until zionism which absolutely means israel is destroyed as a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs and a 23rd state with an islamic majority would be able to-ths time supposedly ‘democratically’-their will over the remaining jews. thats what author is.

    • annie
      annie
      December 30, 2017, 4:22 pm

      Author simple hates … and won’t stop hating

      dabkr, seriously, is there some hasbara handbook somewhere that advises accusations of hatred as being effective on social media, or do you guys just come by it naturally, or coincidentally? and aside from the obvious ad hominem, what advantage do you think it gives your argument to be using this hatred label? i am really curious.

      a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs

      well, realistically, when addressing sovereignty in an apartheid state, it involves million more than their “own” affairs.

      which absolutely means israel is destroyed as a nation

      maybe that’s something zionists should have considered while israel was destroying palestine. because i hear this, and i’m thinking there are a heck of a lot of people out there who could give a crap about completely destroying a nation — zionists in particular.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 11:51 am

        Annie Robbins

        Evidence that Israel is apartheid?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        January 1, 2018, 7:04 am

        Jack Green: “Evidence that Israel is apartheid?”

        The Jewish Apartheid Junta in Palestine has and keeps Nonjews expelled to achieve and maintain a regime dominated by Jews.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        January 1, 2018, 11:43 am

        @Jack Green

        Re your query: “Evidence that Israel is apartheid?”

        In fact, overwhelming evidence, i.e., west of the green line. The rest of historic Palestine is under an illegal, belligerent, brutal occupation.**

        Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

        Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid.
        (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

        “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
        EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

        Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyUvxHLYr4

        In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

        “Construction, Not Destruction”
        “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

        One example of apartheid within Israel:
        “Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
        Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

        Shlomo Gazit, retired IDF Major General: “[Israel’s] legal system that enforces the law in a discriminatory way on the basis of national identity, is actually maintaining an apartheid regime.” (Haaretz, July 19, 2011)

        Israel is the only country in the world that differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.

        The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi,
        “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

        ** Setting aside the Gaza Strip, eminent Jewish Israeli journalist Bradley Burston aptly sums up the horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and occupied East Jerusalem:
        “Occupation is Slavery”
        EXCERPT:
        “In the name of occupation, generation after generation of Palestinians have been treated as property. They can be moved at will, shackled at will, tortured at will, have their families separated at will. They can be denied the right to vote, to own property, to meet or speak to family and friends. They can be hounded or even shot dead by their masters, who claim their position by biblical right, and also use them to build and work on the plantations the toilers cannot themselves ever hope to own. The masters dehumanize them, call them by the names of beasts.” (Haaretz, Feb. 26/13)

      • Jasonius Maximus
        Jasonius Maximus
        January 1, 2018, 5:50 pm

        @Jack Green

        “Evidence that Israel is Apartheid?”

        Easy…

        The crime of Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity “committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime”

        50 years of complete belligerent military control, occupation, dispossession, arbitrary arrests, assasinations, demolitions, confiscations, expulsions, extrajudicial killings, abductions, torture, and domination by one racial group (Jewish Israelis) over any other racial group (5 million Arabs) committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.

        When there is one law and system of justice for every single Jew living in the Jordan River Valley (as far East as you can get of the Green Line without going into Jordan) and a completely different law and system of justice for every single Arab in the same valley, you’ve got to know that Apartheid is alive and well and being openly practiced by Israel.

        And that’s just scratching the surface, without even drilling down into the nitty gritty of actual Israeli laws, policies and actions that draw similar parallels West of the Green Line.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        January 1, 2018, 6:46 pm

        And in a couple of weeks JG will again ask for evidence for Israeli apartheid.

      • rhkroell
        rhkroell
        January 3, 2018, 12:36 pm

        What did I do wrong? Why have you replaced my chosen profile picture with a hominid icon? Why will you no longer publish my comments? Do I need to make a donation this year to participate in these online discussions?

      • rhkroell
        rhkroell
        January 3, 2018, 12:59 pm

        Hey Annie, good to see your always interesting comments. Happy New Year!

        “a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs” — DaBakr

        I suggest we make an effort to offer the fanatical ethnonationalist citizens of Israel some alternative to living in a region where they are surrounded by peoples/nations who they claim want to “drive all Israeli Jews into the sea.” Why endanger the lives of more Israeli adults and children? Why prolong a policy of perpetual war with Arab and Persian Gentiles when there are other alternatives?

        Zionists are separatist Jews, clearly. They do not want to assimilate (or integrate) their “chosen” peoples with Gentile communities. They want to live according to Zionist laws (based partly on Jewish law/tradition and partly on modern secular laws). But continuing the failed policy of colonizing Palestine and pretending modern Jews have some possible impossible legal right to this land has not proven very successful.

        I suggest Jews propose building walled ghettos for ethnonationlist Jews in Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, USA, Canada, etc., where Jews will “have sovereignty over their own affairs.” Zionists like walls. They should be able to build adamantine walls as high and as thick as they choose.

        These separatist Jews should be encouraged to develop full-spectrum domination and control systems in their ghettos which would include C4ISTAR capable weapons, COMINT/SIGINT/OSINT/HUMINT, electro-optically guided missiles, phased-array radar, securocratic systems of control and whatever weapon systems they deem necessary to secure their safety from Gentiles.

        Does this seem like a reasonable proposal to solve the seemingly irresolvable Palestinian/Israeli conflict to you?

      • annie
        annie
        January 3, 2018, 1:15 pm

        hi rhkroell, happy new year to you too. that was dbakr’s quote you had mistakenly attributed to me (hence i fixed it) so i’ll let him address your question. but no, i don’t think your idea sounds “reasonable”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 3, 2018, 3:40 pm

        ” Why have you replaced my chosen profile picture with a hominid icon?”

        Ad hominid is the weakest kind of argument, too.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 3, 2018, 4:13 pm

        Kroell,

        Thank you for this eminently logical proposal that fully addresses the official Zionist grievances AND respects international law. I’m sorry for not having thought of it.

        Yes, by all means this should be insistently proposed as the prime peace plan.

        On the other hand, logical proposals are definitely unpopular with the Mondoweiss following, to say nothing of the writing crew.

      • annie
        annie
        January 3, 2018, 6:37 pm

        uh, because you think it’s “logical” to have jewish-zionist communities, literally little israels, w/”full-spectrum domination and control systems… C4ISTAR capable weapons,COMINT/SIGINT/OSINT/HUMINT, electro-optically guided missiles” in 6 (or more) countries.

        heck, why not ask them to rule the world while you’re at it.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        January 4, 2018, 4:00 am

        Annie,

        If you think the Zionists don’t already command all that, and more, in what’s called the Western countries, you got another think coming.

        Heck, just look around you. The only differences would be that the Zionists would officially declare their ghettoes, sorry for using a generally disliked word, and that their colleagues who went to invade Palestine would come back home to live with them. Eminently logical.

        Berkeley, where the livin’ is notoriously easy, is unfortunately a prime candidate.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        January 8, 2018, 12:09 am

        The hasbarists need to post proof that individuals do not have the right to freedom of choice. Also it has been a long held belief in etiquette that it is a woman’s perogative to change their mind. Zionists need a course on etiquette.

    • Emory Riddle
      Emory Riddle
      December 30, 2017, 5:13 pm

      (a): How do you interpret the following? Who besides the kapos could the author be referring to? “[Y]ou choose to play the role of the classic Jewish wimp, who has to prove his animosity towards his Jewish brethren in order to survive. You’re not the first person to do so. Some people, by the way, have been much more successful than you, and this isn’t the place to quote from the history of the early 1940s.”

      (b) So nonsensical no response is required.

      (c) Another amateur psychiatrist analyzing from afar and once again reaching the inevitable conclusion reached by apologists for Zionism, must be Jew hatred.

      • rhkroell
        rhkroell
        January 3, 2018, 4:08 pm

        Thanks, Annie! I appreciate you correcting my mistaken attribution of dbakr’s Jewish sovereignty quote to you. I should have caught that myself. Your use of dbakr’s quote was written in italics, so I have no excuse for missing that one. I plead carelessness.

        I probably should have used the term “ethnic enclave” rather than “ghetto” because the latter term conveys negative associations for many people, obviously. If Zionists want their own homeland, I still think my suggestion of “spreading the pain” between nations/peoples is more reasonable than many solutions I have seen proposed. Oh well.

        I probably am not sufficiently sensitive to the Jewish horror and pain caused by the Nazi holocaust and thousands of years of persecution by Christians. The eternal victim role is undoubtedly not an easy role to assume vicariously (or even understand).

      • rhkroell
        rhkroell
        January 3, 2018, 7:01 pm

        @ Annie: I understand your concern, Annie. But I would change your “little israels” to: “itsy-bitsy, Lilliputian Israels” and add: “full-spectrum dominance” is a wholly fraudulent concept. Strategically, these tiny little Zionist fortresses would be very vulnerable to “terrorist” attacks in the very near future (in my view). Just so you know my opinion on this particular topic.

    • eljay
      eljay
      December 31, 2017, 8:18 am

      || DaBakr: … Author simple hates the zionist nation of israel and won’t stop hating it until zionism which absolutely means israel is destroyed as a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs … ||

      That’s an interesting way to say you believe that people all over the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish are entitled to Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      || … and a 23rd state with an islamic majority would be able to-ths time supposedly ‘democratically’-their will over the remaining jews. … ||

      Nothing wrong with an “islamic majority” state – or even a “jewish majority” state – as long as the state is a secular and democratic state of and for all of its citizens, immigrants, expats and refugees, equally.

      A post-Zionist state in Palestine may fail to live up to those expectations. But it may not. We can’t know for certain at this time.

      But we do know for certain that a Zionist state has failed miserably to live up to those expectations. Given that you Zionists strenuously insist that it shouldn’t live up to those expectations, we can expect the miserable failure to continue.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 11:53 am

        eljay

        Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

        Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

      • annie
        annie
        December 31, 2017, 3:03 pm

        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country

        jack, infant mortality rate in Saudi Arabia is 53.8 per 1,000.

        it’s 6.4 per 1,000 for palestinian-israelis

        check out:

        In Israel, infant mortality rate 3 times higher among Arabs

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-israel-infant-mortality-rate-3-times-higher-among-arabs/

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 31, 2017, 5:28 pm

        “Arab…/…Arab country.” “Jack Green”

        You have posted this exact comment half-a-dozen times, complete with all the nonsense about Hadassah.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 7:39 pm

        Mooser

        “nonsense about Hadassah?”

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 7:55 pm

        Annie Robbins

        In the United States, life expectancy at age 55 (average number of additional years lived beyond 55) for Jews is 27.7. This is two to seven years longer than any other large religious group in the United States.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 31, 2017, 8:45 pm

        “In the United States, life expectancy at age 55 (average number of additional years lived beyond 55) for Jews is 27.7. This is two to seven years longer than any other large religious group in the United States.” jacko.

        Jacko ,Thats because American Jews have Israel to flee to if —sorry–when the US becomes too unsafe for them .That,s got to be worth a few extra years.

        I bet the same theory applies to Jews in the UK/Germany/France etc.

        Part of being chosen , eh jacko.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 31, 2017, 9:06 pm

        ““nonsense about Hadassah?” jacko

        “The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis” jacko.

        So Israel does practice separation (racism) in the only democracy in the ME.

        Gee , I wonder if Hospitals in the UK or any where else have registries for “Jews” or does everyone show up at the A& E dept as equal citizens of relevant country.

        That nonsense jacko.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        January 1, 2018, 6:32 am

        @ Annie

        Even in the same city, Arab infant mortality rates far higher than among Jews
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/even-in-the-same-city-arab-infant-mortality-rates-far-higher-than-among-jews/

      • annie
        annie
        January 1, 2018, 8:03 am

        talkback, note the last paragraph in your article. director-general of the Health Ministry said health inequality stemmed largely from “socioeconomic gaps whose origin is outside the health system”. take that (rather obvious) logic and apply it to jack’s comment about life expectancy for Jews here in the US, vs “any other large religious group”. so, is it their religion? or their socioeconomic status? there are millions of black and hispanic christians, the same cannot be said for judaism (mostly white in US). whereas asian americans (not a religious distinction) have the same life expectancy in the US as jewish-americans.

      • Paranam Kid
        Paranam Kid
        January 1, 2018, 9:59 am

        @Jack Green, what is the point you are making Jacko? Is it that because Israel has better medical/health services the ziofascist entity is entitled to its Apartheid regime and genocidal practices?

      • Emory Riddle
        Emory Riddle
        January 1, 2018, 10:12 am

        Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

        Even with all the bombs and WP Israel drops on those living in “Judea”?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 1, 2018, 1:29 pm

        “In the United States, life expectancy at age 55 (average number of additional years lived beyond 55) for Jews is 27.7. This is two to seven years longer than any other large religious group in the United States.” “Jack Green”

        You mean the Jewish population in the US is aging, and not being replaced? Yes, that’s true.

      • Keith
        Keith
        January 1, 2018, 5:22 pm

        JACK GREEN- “In the United States, life expectancy at age 55 (average number of additional years lived beyond 55) for Jews is 27.7. This is two to seven years longer than any other large religious group in the United States.”

        Indicating that Jews are privileged, not the downtrodden victims of eternal and irrational anti-Semitism.

    • lonely rico
      lonely rico
      December 31, 2017, 11:36 am

      > DaBakr

      A) Wohl did not use the term “kappa” but the author here did.” …
      B) Author is basically answering a critical rant …
      C) maybe author feels like ….
      Author simple hates the zionist nation ….
      thats what author is.

      DaBakr, what is this author business?

      His name is Jonathan Ofir. (In case you forget while writing your fascinating response, it’s written at the bottom of the article.)

      If you want to use a casual faux-friendly style you might call him “Jonathan”.
      For a more formal approach, try “Mr. Ofir”.
      Looking for ironic/chilly, how about “Mr. J. Ofir”.

      Has hasbara central sent down word that Ofir is a non-person, now un-named ?
      Perhaps Ofir has no nationality, deserves no name ?
      Lives in a negligible, insignificant Legoland stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: Denmark ?

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      January 1, 2018, 7:08 am

      DaBakr: “Author simple hates the zionist nation of israel and won’t stop hating it until zionism which absolutely means israel is destroyed as a nation where jews have sovereignty over their own affairs ..”

      Author must have hated the afrikaaners’s nation of south Africa for the same reasons.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 3, 2018, 1:29 pm

      ” Kapo’s did what they felt was necessary to protect either their own small family or their village tribe or even more” “Dabakr”

      In a Nazi concentration or death camp? That’s some resilient social structure.

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz
        January 3, 2018, 11:26 pm

        Mooser,

        You wrote about Dabakr’s comment:

        That’s some resilient social structure

        I am ashamed to admit that his is first time (and hopefully last) in my life I laughed out loud when reading comment with words “death camp” in it.

        Dabakr, are you sure you are an asset to Israel goverment led propaganda effort?70/79

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 4, 2018, 5:01 pm

        “Dabakr, are you sure you are an asset to Israel goverment led propaganda effort?”

        An “asset”? He’s the whole digestive tract! Around the MOSSAD they call “Dabakr” ‘agent double-O-Schmoe

  2. eljay
    eljay
    December 30, 2017, 3:58 pm

    … Wohl makes it clear that the essential difference between him and Sachs is precisely this ‘nationalism’:

    “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. You have no nationality. You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”, he writes.

    Asshat [sic] Wohl isn’t just a hateful and immoral supremacist – he’s an obnoxiously-proud hateful and immoral supremacist.

    • eljay
      eljay
      December 30, 2017, 7:59 pm

      … “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. … “

      In his haste to be a complete asshat, Wohl missed the obvious gender difference. So there are at least two differences:
      – male / female; and
      – Israeli / New Zealander.

      What they have in common is their decision to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

  3. Citizen
    Citizen
    December 30, 2017, 4:11 pm

    Kudos to the very brave and morally integrated Justine Sachs.

  4. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    December 30, 2017, 5:46 pm

    How the hell can *anyone* try to portray israel as non-violent and keep a straight face?
    I read this moments after reading of bombing sorties across Gaza *again* tonight.
    Wohl has wool between his ears if he thinks the people of the world will accept that insane absurdity.

  5. inbound39
    inbound39
    December 30, 2017, 5:58 pm

    Sachs in telling the truth has exposed the lies of Zionist Israel. Wohl and those supporting him celebrate putting others down in order to elevate themselves. No wonder Israeli’s are not liked.

  6. annie
    annie
    December 30, 2017, 7:00 pm

    Is Assaf Wohl’s piece a part of this campaign? If so, the campaign promises to be great for BDS. Such pieces only strengthen its cause.

    i left a comment under wohl’s article thanking ynet for publishing it (but i don’t know if it will pass moderation), explaining it wasn’t just the putrid vitriol of wohl’s article but the comments it generated which really shed a light on the kind of characters who support israel. the level of discourse from commenter after commenter, defending israel, was astoundingly ugly. i read the whole thread and there were only 2 pro israel comments that we’re not uber rude. they urged compassion for sachs, suggesting she should visit israel to get a sense of it, and expressed they didn’t support bds and she should meet the people. other than that, it was just vile vile vile. there’s no way a normal person could get through that comment section and come out the other end thinking israel supporters were, for the most part, nice people.

    so not only does wohl’s article promise to be great for bds, but the comment section is a gold mine. i’d be embarrassed to be part of a club where this kind of discourse was the norm. outrageous.

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      December 30, 2017, 10:49 pm

      Thanks for this report. The evidence is piling up fast on the inherent vileness and cover of lies that is the “Zionist project”.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 11:56 am

        JWalters

        What “inherent vileness?”

        Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it. There would have been no Holocaust if majority-gentile countries would have allowed in Jewish refugees who were escaping from the Nazis. The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 31, 2017, 3:51 pm

        “Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. Even when not actively persecuting the Jews, the majority-gentile countries refused to give refuge to the Jews when they needed it.” Jack Green.

        There you go again jacko.

        That,s 10 times in as many weeks.Got any updates or new fake news.

        http://mondoweiss.net/profile/m1945/?keyword=persecuted

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 31, 2017, 5:24 pm

        “Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries.” “Jack Green”

        That’s Number 11 for this exact comment, “Jack”, you’re just spamming.

        “Jack”, you are not the guy to advocate for or defend Israel. I could do a better job at it.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 7:42 pm

        Mooser

        ” I could do a better job at it.”

        Prove it!

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 31, 2017, 7:54 pm

        ” That,s 11 times you have posted that , you’re just spamming.” Mooser.

        I said 10 because I ran out of fingers.Now I am going to have take off my socks when counting jackos repetitious comments .

      • amigo
        amigo
        December 31, 2017, 7:55 pm

        “Prove it!” jacko

        Not necessary.You already proved it .

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        January 1, 2018, 6:09 am

        Jack Green: “The idea of Zionism was that Jews would return to their homeland & have a majority-Jewish country because majority-gentile countries had failed to provide safety for the Jews.”

        Ooh, Jack Green is trying to make a moral case for Zionism and inherently tries to argue that the fundamental violation of rights of Jews allows them to fundamentally violate the rights of Nonjews.

        Cause the idea of Zionism means failing to provide safety for Nonjews in a majority-gentile country and denying them to return to their real experienced homeland.

        1.) Jewish mass immigration could only be enforced upon the country’s natives whose right to self determination had to be denied on behalf of the Jews.
        2.) The Zionist Jewish citizens of Palestine never hold a referendum and never wanted to be ruled by majority ruling unless they achieved a majority by any means that violated the fundamental rights of Nonjews.
        3.) They created a state only through terroism, war and massacres and the destruction of more than 400 villages allthough these crimes were condemned after the Nazi horrors, including the Holocaust.
        4.) They achieved and still maintain a majority only through ethnic cleansing and the denial of the rights of Nonjews to return to their real homeland, allthough these crime were condemned after the Nazi horrors, including the Holocaust.
        5.) After expelling about 750,000 in 1948, 300,000 in 1967 they revoked residential rights for another 250,000 Nonjews.
        6.) They are not a constitutive people and one cannot become Jewish through acqusition of citizenship.
        7.) They chose to differentiate between “nationals” (only Jews) and pseudo “citizens” (with lesser rights than “nationals”) in a similar way like Nazis to privilidge “nationals” (“Reichsbuerger”).

        Are you are really trying to make a moral case for Zionism? ROFL.

    • Naftush
      Naftush
      December 31, 2017, 3:44 am

      Stipulated that Wohl’s piece is a brutal polemic that dog-whistles commenters whose veins run with bile instead of blood. Now re-visit any number of MW pieces and their comments. See under: world Zionist conspiracy themes, the Zionist takeover of America, the insidious intentionality of everything bad occurring or existing in Israel, morbid intersectionality that holds “Zionists” culpable for just about anything anywhere and calls for “justice,” etc., etc. A deafening pot-meet-kettle moment, this.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 31, 2017, 5:56 pm

        “This false dualism invoked here…”

        Okay what’s “dualism”?

        “Dualism – The concept that our mind has a non-material, spiritual dimension that includes consciousness and possibly an eternal attribute.”

        Ah, but here we have a “false dualism”. And one that’s “invoked”.

        Sounds like something out of Mad “Horrifying Cliches” feature. “Invoking a False Dualism”

  7. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    December 30, 2017, 7:02 pm

    This false dualism invoked here: Justine Sachs (the forces of light and goodness) on one side and Assaf Wohl (the forces of darkness and evil) on the other side is convenient and rings like a 7th grade comic book reading of the israeli public. including weizman’s “wrong kind of jews” with “kapos” and “traitors” is similarly oriented for a black and white reading of all events and persons.

    Gideon Levy says that BDS is the only game in town and I will not attempt to argue that the Bibi govt. (and all it represents) would respond to nuance with nuance. Bibi is a man with a hammer and thus hammerlike essays like this one are appropriate to the general level of discourse.

    I might think that if there were any rabbis who were backing Lindy after his Des Moines speech, that comes pretty close to self abnegation past the point of a minimum of self esteem. but other than that usually early forties was a time of black and white and assaf wohl’s prose is answered with black and white from ofir.

    this phase where performers choose to perform in israel and others choose not to is kind of interesting, not particularly pleasant phase, it makes the headlines and if any israelis change their minds based upon the entertainment boycotts at this point of time, this seems quite unusual. it is difficult for a layman to assess the economic impact of these boycotts, someone with an MBA working for the chamber of commerce of israel would probably have a better concept. the sheer propaganda value of “lorde” decides against. and conan pals around on the streets of tel aviv, seems juvenile, a type of sideshow, but probably the MBA I mentioned would put it in the context of other economics and could comment more astutely on the give and take.

    i suppose for me it is a way of taking my zionist temperature. how zionist am I feeling today? zionist enough to be offended by a new zealand pop star i never heard of before? leonard cohen comes to mind, his yahrzeit passed a month and a half ago and i know what kind of disrespect gets tossed to leonard from this website and so that’s enough to tell me that emotionally, i am still as zionist as leonard cohen, olov hashalom.

    but honestly at this point the more interesting person is named donald trump, that the people on this web site did not oppose with anything approaching appropriate vigor. donald trump, “there are good people on both sides” in charlottesville, is an entirely suspect character and that is my primary reaction. The thing most wrong with this sentence: “Donald Trump, president of the United States, announced today American recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital” is the subject of the sentence, donald trump. obviously hillary or obama would not have done it and it would take a maverick to do something like this, but trump is no maverick, he’s a loose cannon, who says things like “good people on both sides” and that is the most worrying thing right now.

    seems to be that fatah really expected hamas to disarm, which is/was an outlandish expectation. and this lack of reconciliation is the background story of these antitrump rallies rushing the fence in gaza. On the other hand it is not quite clear what fatah’s goal is right now, other than keeping up with the joneses (hamas) and showing that they are also “bad boys”.
    the points of conflict are on the west bank, probably the same places they were on december 5th and so at points of conflict the demonstrations are “louder” and the friction is expressed by the israelis behind their plexiglass not allowing the palestinians to live in peace. (whatever the dynamics that are deeper than this, that is what the pictures say and have been saying for 30 years, it’s 30 years since the beginning of the first intifada.) i would point to the arab world’s turmoil as the key selling point for apathy towards the israeli offensive occupation on the american public’s part. it will be interesting to watch the democratic party turn into the party of cornel west, but it doesn’t strike me as something that will happen overnight, but as a white man (neglecting my faith for a moment, ha, ha, jew is just a faith) the democratic party is culturally alienated from white males and as much as i hate trump, i blame hillary for losing the election and not because of her neoliberal drone strike policies, i blame her for convoluted speech that makes people want straight talk and i think trump is not straight talk, he’s a con artist from day one til today, til this hour, but it is the convoluted politically correct talk of hillary and her like that makes people want to hear someone talking different. and to fall for donald trump is a sign that the politics of the country is in a bad period and this tongue tied democratic double talk is what i blame.

    so the man of the year regarding israel/palestine is not ahed tamimi, but donald trump, the bad news that is hovering over the conflict.

    • Jonathan Ofir
      Jonathan Ofir
      December 31, 2017, 5:24 am

      Yonah Fredman, you write that “i blame her [Hillary Clinton] for convoluted speech that makes people want straight talk and i think trump is not straight talk, he’s a con artist from day one til today, til this hour, but it is the convoluted politically correct talk of hillary and her like that makes people want to hear someone talking different. and to fall for donald trump is a sign that the politics of the country is in a bad period and this tongue tied democratic double talk is what i blame.” –

      But I thought that your comment was just that – convoluted, and full of ‘whataboutery’. Now we’re talking about Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?

      You write all this in a supposed attempt to provide nuance to what you perceive as rather primitive black-and-white portrayal in my writing:

      “This false dualism invoked here: Justine Sachs (the forces of light and goodness) on one side and Assaf Wohl (the forces of darkness and evil) on the other side is convenient and rings like a 7th grade comic book reading of the israeli public”, you write.

      It was not me who was invoking the notion of “forces of evil” – it was Wohl. I was criticizing that depiction.

      You write: “but honestly at this point the more interesting person is named donald trump, that the people on this web site did not oppose with anything approaching appropriate vigor. donald trump, “there are good people on both sides” in charlottesville, is an entirely suspect character and that is my primary reaction.”

      Really, did the people “on this web site” not “oppose it with anything approaching appropriate vigor”? Did you read for example my http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/trump-theres-bigotry/ , or http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/support-racists-israeli/ ? Just search “Donald Trump” articles on Mondoweiss, there are many.

      But you are trying to tell us that we are not focusing on the real problem – Donald Trump.
      Right now, the focus is Assaf Wohl and his article. We do not always, and only, have to fry the big fish. But don’t deny that they are being fried!

      You write: “i suppose for me it is a way of taking my zionist temperature. how zionist am I feeling today?”

      I would say that your Zionist temperature, at least today, measures a typical ‘liberal Zionist’ level. Supposedly not cold, not hot, let’s talk about something else, the bigger issues, as it were.

      It’s a lukewarm response which is meant to lead nowhere.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        December 31, 2017, 7:50 am

        Jonathan Ofir- Far be it from me to tell you how to react to my reaction. But your heat is way off the charts and indicative of single mindedness, which might be a compliment, since my lukewarm response is singled out for your disdain.

        i suppose you are looking for “Amen’s” or “so is your mother”, the usual responses here and reacting to your post with a string of thoughts is so unwanted, that you cannot help but tell me to go away unless i have something grand to say.

        as to particulars: to include chaim weizman’s “wrong kind of jews” with kapos and traitors is indicative of a black and white mind, and if that works for you, great, but it doesn’t work for me.

        the issue here was first celebrity bds and then the use of “kapos”, or the rhetoric that leads to the thought of kapos. celebrity bds is a topic that leads to meandering thoughts, n’est pas? and if you need an “amen” assaf wohl’s comparison of bds to nazism is a pothole full of dirty water, something to be avoided.

        regarding this website’s opposition to donald trump, i was referring to before the election, not since the election.

        assaf wohl sucks. i couldn’t write twelve paragraphs on it. i read mondoweiss and write reactions in order to let my mind find outlet in the written word, if it is whataboutery to you, sorry for ruining this very exciting (sarcasm alert) thread.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 31, 2017, 12:24 pm

        “But I thought that your comment was just that – convoluted, and full of ‘whataboutery’”

        “Yonah’s” comments very often remind me of he dreadful business of the Abernetty family.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 31, 2017, 1:49 pm

        “It’s a lukewarm response which is meant to lead nowhere.”

        Exactly. Notice the depth to which the parsing has sunk into the blubbering upon a hot day.

        “i read mondoweiss and write reactions in order to let my mind find outlet in the written word,”

        Gee, and I thought the Jewish community provided for that, but you have to come to Mondo?
        Oh well, at least your comments are saved in the Archive of Life.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      December 31, 2017, 5:44 am

      “i suppose for me it is a way of taking my zionist temperature. how zionist am I feeling today? zionist enough to be offended by a new zealand pop star i never heard of before?”

      Then zionism is really and truly a disease, a cancer that feasts on the brain, the heart, the eyes and the ears of its very willing hosts.

      • m1945
        m1945
        December 31, 2017, 7:45 pm

        Marnie

        Is all nationalism a cancer?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        January 1, 2018, 12:09 am

        Think of your favorite doctor show “If we catch it early enough, we can cure it”.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        January 1, 2018, 6:11 am

        Jack Green: “Is all nationalism a cancer?”

        Settler colonialism after WW I is.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 2, 2018, 7:07 pm

        “Is all nationalism a cancer?” “Jack Green”

        “Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind.” – Albert Einstein

    • Keith
      Keith
      January 1, 2018, 5:02 pm

      YONAH FREDMAN- “This false dualism invoked here: Justine Sachs (the forces of light and goodness) on one side and Assaf Wohl (the forces of darkness and evil) on the other side is convenient and rings like a 7th grade comic book reading of the israeli public.”

      What are you talking about? Jonathan Ofir focuses mostly on Assaf Wohl’s shameful libel of Justine Sachs, and he does it well. Read his quotes of Wohl who is obviously inferring that Sachs is analogous to a Kapo and a traitor to Israel, typical Zionist attack on anyone not supportive of Israel or its actions. And Wohl has some gall in inferring that Sachs is like a Kappo. Who notoriously worked with the Nazis if they thought it benefited Zionism? There is a long and sordid history there which you turn a blind eye to. And you have a history of seeing anti-Semitism where none exists. To you, these libelous charges and inferences are normal. My only criticism of the article is the notion that Viktor Orban’s criticism of George Soros is anti-Semitic. Soros is a CIA asset with a lot to criticize without being an anti-Semite and I would need to see proof. There is way too much casual charging of anti-Semitism by Jewish Zionists.

      • rhkroell
        rhkroell
        January 5, 2018, 6:31 pm

        “Is all nationalism a cancer?” — Jack Green

        Is civic nationalism, for example, necessarily cancerous? That is, does civic nationalism exhibit abnormalities characteristic of cancer? Undoubtedly. But it is not necessarily malignant. That’s the crucial question.

        Ethnonationalism — i.e. Zionism — is, however, patently malignant. Ethnonationalism/Zionism > or = racism, hence Zionism is indubitably a malignant cancer.

  8. Brewer
    Brewer
    December 30, 2017, 7:34 pm

    “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re a Jew. That’s it. You have no nationality. You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”

    Halloo to Wohl. Baaaaah from the end of the Universe, home, not only to Lorde (down here we prefer Ella) but also Ed Hillary, conqueror of Everest and Rodham Clinton namesake (her folk must have been prescient), the best rugby players in the World and first country to give women the vote. NZ, by the way, had the highest count of WWII dead combatants (per capita) in the Commonwealth (6684 per million) (with Britain at 5123 and Australia, 3232).

    Now I realize this pales into insignificance beside the cherry tomato but may I point out that New Zealander Earnest Rutherford was the first man to split an atom – so we are not too far behind that remarkable pomodoro and the drips that water it.

    Perhaps I should also mention that it has been said (probably by an Aussie) that Aotearoa New Zealand is a land of 43 million sheep, 4 million of whom think they are human. Think about it. You might just fit in.
    There are exceptions however. For example, those of us who have learned to distinguish between racial/religious identity, Nationality and proprietorship. Now contrary to popular belief, not all kiwis are related or even know each other. I do not know Justine but there is a strong possibility she is among these.

    • annie
      annie
      December 30, 2017, 7:54 pm

      brewer, how could you not mention Jacinda Ardern! New Zealand’s new awesome (and gorgeous) prime minister!

      • Brewer
        Brewer
        December 30, 2017, 9:00 pm

        A serious oversight dear Annie. Particularly so as the cockiness in my post is probably due in no small measure to the optimism many of us kiwi SJWs feel since the election result – after three terms with a Likud luvin’, pony-tail fetishist Wall St bankster in the Prime Minister’s seat.
        https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/john-key-cartoon-garrick-tremain2.jpg

        Jacinda’s home town is just a few miles from my own and a close mate is in her cabinet so I and my circle are feeling involved again. They are a younger and untried government but there is a battle-hardened and very canny element in the coalition (Peters and Jones) that should stiffen them up. I know them personally and they are on the right side of Israel/Palestine (though they don’t broadcast it). Look forward to a more decisive stance at the U.N.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        December 31, 2017, 1:29 am

        Thoroughly agree Annie…Jacinda is a breath of fresh air here. Sarah Moses of NZ Jewish Council after writing the put down that she did about Lorde copped two articles slamming Moses stance and criticising her comment. It is my view that here Israel is barely toleraated and the speed that THE PEOPLE of NZ reacted to the Israeli Cosmetic sales in malls ripping people off saw the whole Israeli group responsible kicked out of NZ in a week. Down here Israel has little support…..we don’t like oppressors and we value freedom.Netanyahu has no show of changing us.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        December 31, 2017, 5:08 am

        Labour Leader Jacinta Ardern looks (gorgeously) on during a visit at Canterbury Rugby on August 16, 2017 in Christchurch, New… http://www.gettyimages.com/consumer/share/event/jacinda-ardern-visits-canterbury-rugby-775023331/832164350?esource=social_TW_gallery

    • gamal
      gamal
      December 31, 2017, 3:12 am

      “the best rugby players in the World”

      That is a fact and Sid Going is the greatest man to ever have lived.

      • Brewer
        Brewer
        December 31, 2017, 3:55 pm

        Ha!
        Many would agree Gamal though sailing is more my thing. I neglected to highlight another of NZ’s achievements – taking on the economic and technological might of the U.S. and swiping the America’s Cup in 1995.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      December 31, 2017, 5:24 am

      Proportionally speaking, New Zealand made a greater contribution to WW2 among all Commonwealth nations. New Zealand entered WW2 independently, declaring war on Germany when it invaded Poland.

    • John O
      John O
      December 31, 2017, 1:22 pm

      And, of course, since our good friend Jack Green introduced us to the EIU’s Democracy Index, we can celebrate the fact that New Zealand is 25 places higher in the chart than Israel, at no. 4.

  9. aloeste
    aloeste
    December 30, 2017, 9:26 pm

    seems like a nice place. maybe all those ‘palestine’ arabs could settle there…

    • Brewer
      Brewer
      December 31, 2017, 3:45 pm

      “maybe all those ‘palestine’ arabs could settle there”

      I can never read this sort of thing without a sense of revulsion at firstly the Historical and etymological ignorance behind the mis-application of the term “Arab” and secondly the blatant racism that that mis-application implies.
      Suggest you stay well away from my country aloeste, multi-culturalism doesn’t sound like your bag.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      January 1, 2018, 6:26 am

      aloeste: “seems like a nice place. maybe all those ‘palestine’ arabs could settle there…”

      Yes, but without the consent of the countries population it would be just the same crime as the Zionist settler colonialism of Palestine commmited by ‘non palestine’ jews.

      We wouldn’t want that, would we?

  10. Marnie
    Marnie
    December 30, 2017, 11:36 pm

    There is some basic tenet to differing points of view and discourse that is absent from the zionist media, politicians and some people here. Disagreeing with someone else’s POV is something that occurs every day, we all have different viewpoints. We learn this as children that no, you cannot kick Michael because he doesn’t like the cartoons you like. You just don’t do that, ever. But if you can’t disagree with someone, or prove a point with someone without resorting to attacks on that person’s character or accusing that person of some kind of genocidal hatred, you are the loser in the argument (Roseanne Barr, Miri Regev, tRUMP, to name some notables). When in your heart you know you are right, you don’t have to resort to strong arm tactics or defamation of the other’s character to elevate yourself. That’s communication 101. Unless of course your aim isn’t to communicate at all, but to destroy the other, well that’s different then isn’t it.

  11. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    December 31, 2017, 7:13 am

    “You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”, he writes”

    Illustrates the breathtaking arrogance of braindead Zionists. One of the most beautiful,tolerant
    and peaceful countries in the world compared with the magnificent Zioland is reduced to an “insignificant sheepfold”.

    Now even by Zio standards that does take the biscuit. Mr Wohl appears to have all the qualifications necessary to become a n Israeli Diplomat and perhaps in time a top Israeli Government Minister.

    • inbound39
      inbound39
      December 31, 2017, 7:35 pm

      Of course, at this point, it is pertinent to recall the Mossad Agents NZ caught procuring false passports in NZ by stealing names from graveyards…some of babies to place on said false passports. Agents were jailed and the Israeli Embassy was closed. When our Jewish PM John Key of National Party came to power, within his first month of taking office, the Israeli Embassy was curiously and silently reopened. Had it been put to a referendum it is doubtful the people of NZ would have agreed to its reopening. We don’t need Israeli Influence here.

  12. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    December 31, 2017, 1:26 pm

    RE: “Jewish activist who counseled Lorde on BDS gets the full ‘kapo’ treatment in the Israeli press”

    MY COMMENT: It doesn’t seem quite as bad as the ‘Goldstone treatment’. At least, so far.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    RE: “The difference between you and me, Justin [sic], is that I’m an Israeli Jew and you’re [just] a Jew.” ~ Assaf Wohl

    MY COMMENT: OMG, that’s so mean. I guess he felt the need to (over)compensate for the soldier who was slapped by the16 year old girl.
    Poor Justine, he must be crushed. Just to be on the safe side, I think he ought to be on suicide watch for at least 24 72 hours.
    Wait until I get my hands on that a-hole Assaf! He’s mine! All mine! I know his type. Nothing but bluster. Give me two minutes with him and that cocky Israeli superiority will be a thing of the past; he’ll be more like an insecure, bookish, overthinking, stuttering Woody Allen who constantly has a ‘goofier than Gomer Pyle’ expression on his face — the kind of guy you wouldn’t trust to bag your groceries. Even under close supervision.

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      December 31, 2017, 6:09 pm

      P.S. RE: “[Y]ou choose to play the role of the classic Jewish wimp, who has to prove his animosity towards his Jewish brethren in order to survive.” ~ Assaf Wohl

      MY COMMENT: So, an Israeli male who ‘goes along to get along’ (because Israeli’s have to march in lockstep like prisoners at Sing Sing back in the 1800s or all hell will break loose) accuses someone of being a wimp because that person marches to the beat of a different drummer. So Spinoza was a wimp. And Einstein. And Hannah Arendt. Just to name three wimps.
      But Assaf Wohl is not a wimp because he’s an Israeli who ‘tows the company line’ (blindly supporting whatever his government does, right or wrong). He’s a ‘team player’ who always follows orders. That makes him a valiant mensch.
      CAPICHE?
      ALFALFA SEZ: ‘Okey-dokey’!* (also hokeydokey or okie-doke or okie dokie or okle-dokle or okay-doke, okey-doke, okee-doke)
      What’s the meaning of the phrase ‘Okey dokey’? ~ Okay. There are some late 20th century alternative meanings, limited to the USA, e.g.
      * absurd or ridiculous’ and ‘to swindle or deceive’.
      What is the origin of the term Okie dokie?
      This slang term was popularized in the film “The Little Rascals” (Oki doki). This little phrase is a variant of okay. It is 20th century American and first appears in print in a 1932 edition of American Speech.

      See, I can be agreeable. I can comply with orders.
      I don’t have to prove any animosity towards my brethren in order to survive.
      But, IF I DID have to prove my animosity towards my brethren in order to survive, what would Assaf Wohl have me do? Not survive? (Would it depend on whether I was Jewish, or Hindu, or . . .
      A lot of Israelis really do have a hard time dealing with the fact that a Jew might beg to differ with Likudnik Israel. They can dismiss all the others as anti-Semites self-convincingly enough to keep severe cognitive dissonance at bay, but despite the way they throw around the self-hating label, they really can’t convince themselves down deep that it satisfactorily explains why a Jew is critical of Israeli actions/policies. I can’t help but recall the title of that book about the neocons: “They knew they were right.” (They had to be. They absolutely had to be! That must be hellacious — having to always be right!)

      P.P.S. Sorry about that gender mix up. It might help if I read the entire article before commenting. Of course, ‘big hair’ (all teased up) might also help, Perhaps it had something to do with the ‘Justin’ changeup** pitch thrown by Wohl ( despite the [sic] ) that confused me.

      ** Changeup – Wikipedia
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changeup
      A changeup is a type of pitch in baseball and fastpitch softball. The changeup is the staple off-speed pitch, usually thrown to look like a fastball but arriving much more slowly to the plate. Its reduced speed coupled with its deceptive delivery is meant to confuse the batter’s timing. It is meant to be thrown the same as a fastball …

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        January 1, 2018, 9:40 am

        ‘Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil’ is a saying of Israelite origin, surely with Israelite multitudes in mind.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 1, 2018, 1:53 pm

        “‘Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil…”

        Exodus 23:2, if my middy-blouse is correct.

  13. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    December 31, 2017, 8:11 pm

    RE: “You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”, he writes.” ~ Assaf Wohl

    MY COMMENT: There’s nothing I wouldn’t give to hear Israelis speak/write with such derision about this country. That would truly be music to my ears. Unfortunately, Trump has ruined the chances of that happening any time soon.
    Of course, New Zealand was on Netanyahu’s sh#t list due to the role it played in the security council passing that resolution speaking ill of the settlements.

    I figure the Israelis will make their big move (i.e., go for it) in the next three years and leave the Palestinians the dregs. They can’t take a chance on assuming Trump will be reelected, Trump is too much of a golden opportunity. Of course, Pence might turn out to be platinum.
    But, why wait?
    Next up: S.. Lebanon, then W. Jordan – The lands of four or so of the 12 tribes remain to be liberated.

    “Israel Lashes New Zealand Over Settlements Vote”
    Netanyahu has warned New Zealand it was ‘declaring war’.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/27/israel-lashes-new-zealand-over-settlements-vote_a_21643016/
    Dec 28, 2016 – Israel has claimed it has “hard” evidence that outgoing US President Barack Obama was behind the UN security council resolution. CNN has been told that Israel will suspend business operations with the embassies of the countries that were involved in the vote. Among the countries are New Zealand, …

    • JLewisDickerson
      JLewisDickerson
      January 2, 2018, 12:11 am

      P.S. TRUMP’S RECOGNITION OF JERUSALEM PAYS BIG DIVIDENDS:
      “Netanyahu’s Party Votes to Annex West Bank, Increase Settlements”
      While most Likud ministers support the move, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has not commented; however, he hasn’t prevented the vote, which he did with contentious issues in the past
      By Chaim Levinson | Jan 01, 2018 | 7:43 AM

      [EXCERPT] The Likud Central Committee voted Sunday to unanimously accept a resolution that calls on the party’s leaders to move to formally annex the West Bank.

      The vote by the ruling party is nonbinding and was called for in a letter signed by some 900 members of the central committee.

      The wording of the resolution states: “On the 50th anniversary of the liberation of the regions of Judea and Samaria [the West Bank], including Jerusalem our eternal capital, the Likud Central Committee calls on the Likud’s elected officials to act to allow free construction and to apply the laws of Israel and its sovereignty to all liberated areas of Jewish settlement in Judea and Samaria.”

      Most of the Likud ministers in the government support the resolution. . .

      ♦ LINK ➤ https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.832259

  14. Brewer
    Brewer
    December 31, 2017, 9:48 pm

    Smellybutt at it again:
    A full-page advertisement has been taken out in the Washington Post calling Kiwi musician Lorde a bigot and accusing New Zealand of prejudice against Israel.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11968277

    • annie
      annie
      December 31, 2017, 10:28 pm

      thanks brewer, outrageous isn’t it? inbound just posted it on this thread too http://mondoweiss.net/2017/12/lorde-pressure-occasion/

      did you see this? https://twitter.com/RabbiShmuley/status/947529042537975808

      theres no end to shmuely. and i went to his gofundme link, this guy just gave him 25k https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/david-bergsteins-50-million-trial-win-reversed-by-appeals-court-1000288

      • Brewer
        Brewer
        January 1, 2018, 5:08 am

        Judging by the reply tweets it might have been a tactical blunder. Among the young, the tide is turning I hope.
        Nice friends he has!

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      January 1, 2018, 12:15 am

      The attacks on this pop singer for listening to her conscience and following it to its natural conclusion instead of blindly following the pressure to entertain zionists is driving them crazy. They apparently are incapable of seeing how desperate and dirty they look going after a pop singer for crying out loud. She hasn’t accepted their blood money to betray herself or her ‘other’ fans and future fans, so they’ve decided to murder her. This is supposed to ‘teach’ her and any other pop star with a functioning brain to change their mind. Way to go, blight on the nations. Schmuely boteach, gangsta rab.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      January 1, 2018, 12:39 am

      Annie

      I read the wapo ad. Most of it is nonsense.
      The bots cannot defend apartheid by calling human rights supporters antisemites . Nobody outside Evangelica and Zionism accepts Trump’s Jerusalem schtick.
      Zionism ends up as the antithesis to Judaism. If the religion had any quality control Boteach would be stripped of his professional qualification and exposed as a charlatan.

  15. Keith
    Keith
    January 1, 2018, 4:30 pm

    JONATHAN OFIR- ” When Prime Minister Netanyahu recently threw Jewish Philanthropist George Soros under the bus after a thinly veiled anti-Semitic ad campaign aimed at Soros by Hungarian President Viktor Orban….”

    Hey, partner, you want to back up that charge of anti-Semitic ad campaign? Soros is tight withn the CIA and his NGOs regularly attempt color revolutions in targeted nations. Soros is also considered “liberal” and has considerable influence within the Democratic party. All of Eastern Europe (and elsewhere) would be well advised to get rid of virtually all Western NGOs who function much as the imperial missionaries used to. And yes, the huge influx of refugees into Europe is a direct consequence of imperial actions and, perhaps, is part of the agenda of empire. The idea that criticism of any “liberal” Jew primarily derives from anti-Semitism is very convenient for liberal Zionists. Right-wing Zionist Jews such as Assaf Wohl are bound together by rigid tribalism whereas liberal Zionist Jews are bound together by kinship. There is a difference, but not as much as you think. Knee-jerk charges of anti-Semitism are common to both groups. A quote for you which sounds reasonable to me.

    “Orbán’s spokesman, Zoltán Kovács, told the Guardian that the Brussels speech was a “declaration of political war on Hungary”. Soros-funded organisations, Kovács said, were engaged in “political activism camouflaged as NGO work”. (The Guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/22/hungary-viktor-orban-george-soros

  16. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    January 5, 2018, 5:57 pm

    “You live in a negligible, insignificant sheepfold stuck somewhere at the end of the universe: New Zealand”

    Wow! Actually, when I hear “New Zealand”, I think “paradise”. When I hear “Israel”, I think “Apartheid”. It’s clear which country has the better reputation.
    Anyway, attacking people because of where they happened to be born is not okay. However, Zionists lack rational arguments. That’s why they have to resort to insulting other people’s nationality.

  17. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    January 5, 2018, 6:13 pm

    “How does Yediot Aharonot, a mainstream Israeli outlet representing the center in terms of politics and opinion, allow itself to publish such anti-Semitic garbage?”

    WHAT? Pretty much all the articles that I have read on Ynet left me with the impression that it’s a right-wing extremist website.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 5, 2018, 8:44 pm

      “Pretty much all the articles that I have read on Ynet left me with the impression that it’s a right-wing extremist website.”

      Exactly. That’s why they publish “anti-Semitic garbage”. Yes, I know, ‘Zionist right-wing’, but it really doesn’t make any difference.

  18. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    January 5, 2018, 8:48 pm

    I really object to the concept that it makes all Jews complicit. It doesn’t. No more than it makes Muslims complicit because ISIS claims to speak for all Muslims.

    Both Israel and ISIS are criminal groups with strikingly similar goals, objectives and methods.

    I am glad when Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, eyc speak out against those who defile the religions to behave inbarbaric and savage manners but it’s not a requirement.

    Hopefully someday the world will be free from these despicable belief systems. And no zionims is not the desire or belief in a Jewish homeland. It has shown it’s it’s true face as a savage murderous ideology which will butcher women and children with ease to gain supremacy.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      January 5, 2018, 10:33 pm

      “I really object to the concept that it makes all Jews complicit. It doesn’t. No more than it makes Muslims complicit because ISIS claims to speak for all Muslims.”

      Okay then, it should be simple for Jews to repudiate Zionism just as Muslims are continually asked to renounce ISIS.
      Or be taken as complicit.
      Or is the Jewish option to support a nuclear-rogue, apartheid regime, no questions asked, just one of those rights we are entitled to?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        January 6, 2018, 7:28 am

        @Mooser

        Well I guess it would be just as simple but to my mind both are wrong. And, at the same time, no it’s not an entitled right. I see no problem with any state taking steps to limit, even criminalize, support for either ISIS or JSIL.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        January 6, 2018, 1:09 pm

        “And, at the same time, no it’s not an entitled right”

        Seen anybody investigated or prosecuted as “material aids” to the illegal settlements or Jewish terrorism in Palestine lately?

  19. Brewer
    Brewer
    January 6, 2018, 1:10 am

    Over 100 artists sign pledge supporting Lorde’s Israel decision
    Khalid Abdalla, Actor
    Tunde Adebimpe, Musician
    Rachel Aggs, Musician
    Yasmine Al Massri, Actor
    Kevin Allen, Screenwriter and Director
    Amir Amirani, Filmmaker
    Adjoa Andoh, Actor
    Frankie Armstrong, Singer
    Conrad Atkinson, Artist
    Sarah Beddington, Artist
    Yves Berger, Painter
    Caroline Bergvall, Writer and Artist
    Nicholas Blincoe Writer
    Leah Borromeo, Filmmaker
    Jonathan Burrows, Choreographer
    David Calder, Actor
    Julie Christie, Actor
    Ian Christie Film Historian, Broadcaster
    Chipo Chung Actor
    Caryl Churchill Playwright
    Dominic Cooke, Director
    Kia Corthron, Playwright and Novelist
    Joseph Coward, Writer and Artist
    Molly Crabapple, Artist and Writer
    John Cusack, Actor, Writer, Producer, and Board Member Freedom Of The Press Foundation
    Selma Dabbagh, Writer
    Cherien Dabis, Film And TV Director
    William Dalrymple, Writer
    Angela Davis, Writer
    Dror Dayan, Filmmaker
    Laurence Dreyfus, Director and Phantasm Viol Consort
    Carol Drinkwater, Filmmaker
    David Edgar, Playwright
    Nancy Elan, Violinist
    Brian Eno, Musician
    Eve Ensler, Playwright and Performer
    Samir Eskanda Musician
    Jodie Evans, Writer and Producer
    Shepard Fairey, Artist
    Michelle Fairley, Actor
    Saeed T. Farouky, Filmmaker
    Fat White Family Band
    Yasmin Fedda, Filmmaker
    Bella Freud, Designer
    Peter Gabriel Musician
    Lisa Gerrard, Composer
    Tom Gilroy, Film Director
    David Gray Musician
    Kathleen Hanna, Musician and Artist
    John Keane, Artist
    Reem Kelani, Singer and Musicologist
    Peter Kennard, Artist
    Al Kennedy, Writer
    Jonathan Kent, Theatre and Opera Director
    Hari Kunzru, Writer
    Talib Kweli, Musician
    David Lan, Artistic Director, Young Vic
    Paul Laverty, Scriptwriter
    Tom Leonard, Poet
    Ken Loach, Film Director
    Miriam Margolyes, Actor
    Kika Markham, Actor
    Yann Martel, Writer
    Emel Mathlouthi, Musician
    Pauline Melville, Writer
    Tom Morello, Musician
    Jenny Morgan, Filmmaker
    David Morrissey Actor, Director
    Viggo Mortensen, Actor, Writer, Musician, Artist
    Peter Mullan, Actor and Director
    Rebecca O’Brien, Film Producer
    Andrew O’Hagan, Writer
    Eugene O’Hare Actor, Writer
    Maxine Peake, Actor
    Miranda Pennell, Filmmaker
    Brendan Perry, Musician
    Nancy Platt, Filmmaker
    Jocelyn Pook, Composer
    Dave Randall, Musician
    Mark Ruffalo, Actor
    Alexei Sayle, Comedian and Writer
    James Schamus, Producer, Writer and Director
    David Scott, Music Producer and Sound Engineer
    Nabil Shaban, Actor and Writer
    Wallace Shawn, Actor and Playwright
    Farhana Sheikh, Writer
    Gillian Slovo, Writer
    Cherry Smith, Poet
    John Smith, Artist
    Chris Somes-Charlton, Artist Management
    Ahdaf Soueif, Writer
    Juliet Stevenson, Actor
    Jennie Stoller, Actor
    Samuel Toms, Musician
    Alice Walker, Writer
    Naomi Wallace, Playwright and Screenwriter
    Roger Waters, Musician
    Hilary Westlake, Theatre Director
    Susan Wooldridge, Actor and Writer
    Nicholas Wright, Playwright and Director
    Emily Young, Artist
    Benjamin Zephaniah, Poet and Musician
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/100372502/Over-100-artists-sign-pledge-supporting-Lordes-Israel-decision?cid=app-android

  20. Jabberwocky
    Jabberwocky
    January 7, 2018, 12:42 am

    Zionism is to Judaism as Islamic State is to Islam.

    There is no point in ‘arguing’ with a Zionist bigot, their racism is so deeply embedded in their personality.

    It would be more helpful for Mondoweiss to sponsor and advocate directly for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions, rather than focus on intellectual masturbation.

    What about documenting and supporting those trying to overturn the constitutionally illegal anti-BDS laws in the US?

    What about identifying and calling out all of the illegal Zionist ‘charitable’ donations to illegal settlements?

  21. amigo
    amigo
    January 7, 2018, 9:45 am

    Israel publishes list of groups , 20 so far ,who will be forbidden entry to the most moral and only democracy in the ME.

    The good news is The IPSC ,(Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign).I may up my monthly donation to the IPSC in honour of Erdan and co at “Anti BDS HQ”.

    Anyone know how I can get on the list .I would view that as a badge of honour.

    The full list,

    European organizations:

    ■ The France Association Palestine Solidarity

    ■ BDS France 

    ■ BDS Italy

    ■ The European Coordination of Committees and Associations for Palestine

    ■ Friends of Al-Aqsa

    ■ Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign

    ■ The Palestine Committee of Norway

    ■ Palestine Solidarity Association of Sweden
    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.833502

    ■ Palestine Solidarity Campaign

    ■ War on Want

    ■ BDS Kampagne

    American organizations:

    ■ American Friends Service Committee

    ■ American Muslims for Palestine

    ■ Code Pink

    ■ Jewish Voice for Peace

    ■ National Students for Justice in Palestine

    ■ US Campaign for Palestinian Rights

    Other groups:

    ■ BDS Chile

    ■ BDS South Africa

    ■ BDS National Committee

    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.833502

    So clearly BDS has been defeated as suggested by Israel,s propagandists including nietanyahu.

    Nothing going on here , move along.

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