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Today everyone is talking about Alan Dershowitz’s article in the Hill complaining that he has been socially banned on Martha’s Vineyard because of his advocacy for Donald Trump.

[S]ome of my old friends on Martha’s Vineyard.. are shunning me and trying to ban me from their social life on Martha’s Vineyard. One of them, an academic at a distinguished university, has told people that he would not attend any dinner or party to which I was invited…. Others have said they will discontinue contributions to organizations that sponsor my talks.

This is all familiar to me, since I lived through McCarthyism in the 1950s, when lawyers who represented alleged communists on civil libertarian grounds were shunned. Some of these lawyers and victims of McCarthyism lived on Martha’s Vineyard. I never thought I would see McCarthyism come to Martha’s Vineyard, but I have. I wonder if the professor who refuses to listen to anything I have to say also treats his students similarly. Would he listen to a student who actively supported Trump? What about one who simply supported his civil liberties?

These childish efforts to shun me because I refused to change my position on civil liberties that I have kept for half a century discourages vibrant debate and may dissuade other civil libertarians from applying their neutral principles to a president of whom they disapprove. But one good thing is that being shunned by some “old friends” on Martha’s Vineyard has taught me who my real friends are and who my fairweather friends were. From a personal point of view, I could not care less about being shunned by people whose views regarding dialogue I do not respect…

I will not change my views as a result of these attempts to ostracize me, but there are some who may remain silent for fear of being shunned. Silence is not my style….

Jeet Heer marvels that Dershowitz was not shunned before and mocks:

Socrates was forced to eat hemlock. Ovid, Dante, & Emma Goldman were sent into exile. Margaret Sanger was jailed. Rosa Luxemburg, Gandhi and Martin Luther King were killed. Spinoza was excommunicated. Alan Dershowitz can’t find anyone to dine with at Martha’s Vineyard.

Norman Finkelstein comments, via email:

“Oh, he wants ‘vibrant debate’: I suppose that’s why he threatened to bankrupt University of California press if they published my book [Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-semitism and Abuse of History, 2005], and called on Governor Schwarzenegger to kill the book.

“Oh, and I suppose it’s because of his opposition to McCarthyism that he sent a 60-page smear document to every faculty member and administrator at DePaul so as to deny me tenure [in 2007].

“Oh, sack of shit, Thy name is Dershbag.”

26 Responses

  1. Cliff
    July 3, 2018, 10:35 am

    Dersh is also a pedophile. Zionists truly are disgusting.

    • Paranam Kid
      July 3, 2018, 11:47 am

      @Cliff: whether he is a pedophile or not is completely irrelevant to this topic. And even if he were one, that does not mean all Zionists are pedophiles.

      Just to be clear: Dershowitz is the epitome of everything that is revolting about that racist political ideology called “Zionism”. In fact, he surpasses every level of revulsion.

      Nevertheless, his sexual orientation, true or imagined, is none of your business.

      • Donald Johnson
        July 4, 2018, 1:23 pm

        I agree his alleged pedophilia is separate from his politics, but pedophilia if acted upon is not his own business.

      • gamal
        July 4, 2018, 4:55 pm

        “but pedophilia if acted upon is not his own business”

        like 2:33,

        qala ya Adamu, so god says to Adam ‘tell them their natures’ so he does pronto..but god just ploughs on ‘i alone know all the secrets all you reveal and all you conceal” god he’s like your sixth sense best not harm anything, if you read it closely, Donald old boy, not harm anything, probably you will suffer though, but you suffer anyway..we don’t have no business..no way.

      • Keith
        July 4, 2018, 7:01 pm

        DONALD JOHNSON- “…but pedophilia if acted upon is not his own business.”

        I agree completely and am surprised at the comments suggesting that this is a private matter. Apparently some folks are unaware of the massive sex/slavery trade in the world today in which affluent males buy females who are virtual slaves to their pimps and brothels. Pedophilia almost always involves a powerful male abusing a weak female or sometimes male youth. These powerless kids are being abused and turning a blind eye is inexcusable. Furthermore, the treatment of the weak as chattel by the immoral powerful is endemic to the system. And economic coercion can be as effective as whips and chains. Engaging in pedophilia is an abuse of power. And if Dershowitz is guilty he should be held to account. And labeling pedophilia as a “sexual orientation” normalizes this type of behavior.

      • echinococcus
        July 4, 2018, 9:24 pm

        Keith,

        Of course, no one is objecting to its being mainly a police matter but how is it our business? Except, of course, if we have proof that he got a get-out-of-jail card thanks to his Zionism, which may well be, in which case we can suspect a big load of politics. Anyway, he is already almost gallow bait as a material helper of crimes against humanity.

      • catalan
        July 4, 2018, 9:40 pm

        “And if Dershowitz is guilty he should be held to account.”
        He is 79 yet still firm enough to do stuff. He could get rich by just sharing the secret.

  2. Ossinev
    July 3, 2018, 10:58 am

    Great to hear that this loathsome creature is being shunned by intelligent moral people. As for silence not being his style he has got himself bang to rights. In any discussion on the Z/P conflict he invariably gets to do his bit without interruption then constantly interrupts and disrupts his opponents when they attempt to give a response:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6To-o-aiRg
    I am surprised to date that in these discussions someone has simply not said I listened while you had your say will you please STFU and let me have mine. Then again they probably wouldn`t be able to get in even these words edgeways.
    Norman neatly sums him up.

    • echinococcus
      July 3, 2018, 1:28 pm

      Ossinev,

      Great to hear that this loathsome creature is being shunned by intelligent moral people

      Not so sure of that. I mean, not so sure any of the shunners mentioned are moral (intelligent, dunno.)
      Read the text: they were buddy-buddy and approving of his criminal Zionist and warmongering propaganda antics for all these years. They laughed and celebrated with him his selling murder and lies for the Zionists. As long as he marketed his lying, murder-advocating self as “liberal”
      (yes, if you paid attention he is always introduced as “the liberal Alan Dershowitz”.)

      They only now shun him, “because of his advocacy for Donald Trump”.

      So the “sack of shit”, as properly characterized by Finkelstein, is being shunned by other sacks of the same substance, only because he decided to kowtow to the current Zionist head puppet instead of the past ones.

      Note that the “Mondoweiss Editors” are well aware of this fact: they have written it.
      Could they also be, like many others, more interested in the peculiar American Demolican-vs-Repucrat lifestyle wars than getting the general public to oppose Zionism?

    • Misterioso
      July 4, 2018, 10:39 am

      “Today everyone is talking about Alan Dershowitz’s article in the Hill complaining that he has been socially banned on Martha’s Vineyard because of his advocacy for Donald Trump.”

      DELICIOUS!! The chickens are coming home to roost.

      Apparently, Dershowitz is not familiar with the old adage, “lie down with dogs and you get fleas.”

  3. Paranam Kid
    July 3, 2018, 11:52 am

    It is a shame he is banned for his pro-Trump stance only, and not for his genocidal Zionist propounded ideas. The guy represents all that is revolting about Zionism, incl. that hypocritical conflation with Judaism the religion.

    I would love to see the day Norman Finkelstein would manage to destroy this guy’s career and his livelihood like he did with Finkelstein

    • eljay
      July 3, 2018, 1:45 pm

      || Paranam Kid: It is a shame he is banned for his pro-Trump stance only, and not for his genocidal Zionist propounded ideas. The guy represents all that is revolting about Zionism, incl. that hypocritical conflation with Judaism the religion. … ||

      Dershowitz is a turd. His “old friends” – who dislike his pro-Trump stance but don’t mind that he’s a hateful and immoral Jewish supremacist (Zionist) who advocates and defends Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism – aren’t much better.

  4. MHughes976
    July 3, 2018, 12:20 pm

    For us it must be significant that these leading lights of high society did not boycott D until he seemed to be defending Trump. They didn’t react that way when he was defending Zionism in its questionable theory and undeniably harsh practice.

  5. oldgeezer
    July 3, 2018, 12:50 pm

    Poor little victim. He’s well experienced at pretending in that role.

    Dersh is not for civil rights and certainly not free speech and Finkelstein shows. He’s very selective what rights are ok and who gets to have them. His attacks against rights aren’t even done in an ethical way.

    Boo hoo baby douche.

  6. Marnie
    July 3, 2018, 12:51 pm

    Such a funny story! I saw it earlier somewhere else and thought what gall he has to complain he’s being shunned by the regulars at Martha’s Vineyard. Shame on his so-called friends for waiting so long, or is he so full of himself he finally sees that he’s not welcome? Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Pervert.

  7. Rusty Pipes
    July 3, 2018, 4:26 pm

    Do you want to indent Finkelstein’s comment or put double quotation marks at the end of it?

  8. JWalters
    July 3, 2018, 6:14 pm

    Great response by Norman Finkelstein. Dershowitz neglects to consider the evil in which he participates.

  9. Ossinev
    July 4, 2018, 8:12 am

    Latest on Desperatwitz`s “social exclusion” by Martha Vineyarders in the NY Times:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/03/us/marthas-vineyard-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
    Shame that there aren`t any readers comments at least to date. Perhaps he threatened to sue the NYT if they allowed these.
    Anyway he is looking forward to his 80th birthday bash when”all his real friends will come”.
    It will be a grand reunion with a lot of closet fascists wearing “I am a true Liberal” badges.
    And if he maintains his Trump worship then the great man may even dedicate and personalise one of his 2 a.m. tweets along the lines “Great party,probably one of the greatest parties in the history of American parties etc”

  10. captADKer
    July 4, 2018, 9:38 am

    these commentaries make for exemplary clinical case studies of TDS(trump derangement syndrome) and should be used for future research, that being 6 years minimum, in our psychiatric journals.
    thanking mw for its contribution to the advancement of mental hygiene by keeping
    america sane-again!

  11. CigarGod
    July 4, 2018, 9:57 am

    Hmmm…
    I don’t think Dersh is a Trump supporter or an advocate for Trump.
    I think he has given his opinion on the constitutional rights Trump has as President.
    It seems to me he has stated this clearly.
    I hate to see people act like mindless Trump supporters who erect straw man arguments in order to get a fake win.

    I would like to see Dersh apply his high minded arguments to the I/P issue, but that he doesn’t, doesn’t effect his argument on Trumps rights.

    • echinococcus
      July 4, 2018, 1:15 pm

      I would like to see Dersh apply his high minded arguments to the I/P issue, but that he doesn’t, doesn’t effect his argument on Trumps rights.

      It sure doesn’t. Of course. But it means that the reputation of anyone defended by Dershowitz is fucked. Anyone, not just Trump.

  12. snaidamast
    July 4, 2018, 10:43 am

    This is rich!

    Dershowitz is whining that he is being shunned at the playpen of the rich and famous on Martha’s Vineyard while at the same time advocating open debate and fairness towards other’s opinions.

    Let’s have a talk then about fairness to Palestinians and their rights; especially their right not to be shunned in their own land..

    Or how about opening up a debate on what really happened to the Jewish Community during WWII so it can be examined academically and scientifically from an impartial basis and not simply on the basis of hearsay and eyewitness testimony.

    Or better yet, let’s discuss the abundance of evidence as shown in Shlomo Sand’s highly acclaimed book, “The Invention of The Jewish People”, that the Khazar Empire hosted the largest Jewish Kingdom in History and is the birthplace for the majority of Ashkenazi Jews.

  13. davidbrian38
    July 4, 2018, 7:27 pm

    Dersh= donkey. Look it up.

  14. Kay24
    July 5, 2018, 6:42 am

    I don’t know what he expected. You cannot side with a nation that occupies, steals, and massacres unarmed civilians, and also support a morally corrupt man like Trump, and expect decent people to love you, and make you feel wanted.

    He should move to a red state where Trump is a hero.

  15. Marnie
    July 6, 2018, 12:12 am

    Martha’s Vineyard high society burn

    News & Politics

    ‘You Are Complicit’: Martha’s Vineyard Residents Blast ‘Shunned’ Alan Dershowitz in Scathing Emails

    “Rather than ruin parties, porches, and beaches, let’s just not talk because there’s no issue to discuss.”

    By Chris Sosa / AlterNet

    July 5, 2018, 5:11 AM GMT

    Former friends of Alan Dershowitz are firing back after the renowned Harvard defense attorney whined in an op-ed that he was being socially “shunned” for defending President Donald Trump.

    Dershowitz is a Democrat who financially supported Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election. He’s drawn fire for defending Trump in the media and espousing a libertarian-leaning view that there should be no special counsel investigating Trump.

    Walter Teller, a well-known entertainment lawyer and longtime resident of Martha’s Vineyard, sent a scathing group email to Derschowitz explaining exactly why he’d been booted from the social club. An individual who received a forwarded version shared it with the press.
    “You thereby gave Trump an opportunity to use you and your positions in his own defense, to wave you like his pom-pom. How unfortunate for all of us,” Teller wrote. “You defended and gave cover to this president who relentlessly disrupts and destroys all that we value and causes massive and lasting damage to our political system, our courts, our standing in the world, the environment and more. In all of that you are complicit.”

    “You proudly announce where you have dined and with whom, going so far as to send out pictures of the menu of your meal with Trump at the White House,” he contiued. “And then you complain publicly when you are not invited to dinner.”

    Nicholas Negroponte, founder of both the MIT Media Lab and nonprofit One Laptop per Child, neatly summed up the situation in an email of his own to Dershowitz.

    “Well-known 20th century dictators enjoyed the support of public intellectuals,” Negroponte wrote. “Rather than ruin parties, porches, and beaches, let’s just not talk because there’s no issue to discuss.”

    • Marnie
      July 6, 2018, 5:55 am

      It would be so nice if the upper crusties on Martha’s Vineyard had shunned him for his so-called case for israel. Can’t wait for that to happen! Would that be considered a crime by Herr Schumer, et al?

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