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‘This is our state, the Jewish state…. our nation, language and flag’ –Netanyahu triumphs with new law

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The Jewish Nation State bill. Apartheid! By Carlos Latuff

Early today the Israeli parliament passed a law leaders have long put forward, to declare Israel the nation state of the Jewish people. The law says:

“Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.

Ayman Odeh, the leader of the Joint List (the Palestinian parties in the Knesset), released the following statement:

“Today, I will have to tell my children, along with all the children of Palestinian Arab towns in the country, that the state has declared that it does not want us here. It has passed a law of Jewish supremacy and told us that we will always be second-class citizens. But I will also say to them, and to all minorities in this country: we refuse to be second-class citizens; we will not allow the majority to humiliate and destroy us. Netanyahu’s regime is digging a deep pit of fear, racism, and authoritarianism to divide us from each other. But they can never erase us from the homeland we share. We know that the way forward, the struggle of our lifetime, is to build a future for all of us with democracy, equality, and justice.”

Mike Omer-Man of +972:

Arabic was an official language of the State of Israel for 70 years, 2 months, and five days.

No more.

The EU expresses concern that the move sets back hopes for peace.

“We are concerned, we have expressed this concern and we will continue to engage with Israeli authorities in this context,” a spokeswoman for EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini told a news briefing. “We’ve been very clear when it comes to the two-state solution, we believe it is the only way forward and any step that would further complicate or prevent this solution of becoming a reality should be avoided.”

Benjamin Netanyahu is triumphant. Times of Israel:

Netanyahu hailed the new law as “a pivotal moment in the annals of Zionism and the State of Israel.”

He said: “We enshrined in law the basic principle of our existence. Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people, that respects the individual rights of all its citizens. This is our state — the Jewish state. In recent years there have been some who have attempted to put this in doubt, to undercut the core of our being. Today we made it law: This is our nation, language and flag.”

From the New York Times:

“This is a defining moment,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said shortly after the vote, the newspaper Haaretz reported. “Long live the State of Israel.”

Ahmed Tibi, an Israeli Arab lawmaker, speaking to reporters, vigorously denounced the legislation. “I announce with shock and sorrow the death of democracy,” Mr. Tibi said.

At least one Israeli Arab lawmaker ripped apart a copy of the bill after the vote.

Times of Israel:

The law also declares that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, sets the Hebrew calendar as the official calendar of the state, and recognizes Independence Day, days of remembrance and Jewish holidays. One clause of the bill downgrades the Arabic language from official to “special” standing, but also cryptically stipulates that “this clause does not harm the status given to the Arabic language before this law came into effect.”

BBC:

Israel’s parliament has passed into law a controversial bill that defines the country as an exclusively Jewish state…

It was passed after a stormy session in the Knesset that lasted more than eight hours. Sixty-two MPs voted for the bill, with 55 against.

A statement from the Zionist rabbis’ group, T’ruah says the law threatens the future of Israel:

The Nation State Bill just passed by the Knesset endangers Israeli democracy, legalizes discrimination against 20 percent of Israeli citizens, threatens religious pluralism, and threatens the very future of Israel.

More liberal Zionist anguish from Kenneth Bob of Ameinu, who says that the law will strain relations with Diaspora Jews, some of whom sought to stop the law or water down provisions.

“By distinguishing between the rights of Jews and all other citizens of Israel, this bill weakens Israel’s commitment to democracy and makes Israel less than a state of all of its citizens. While I am heartened to see that the bill only passed by a slim majority and proud of the work that was done by our allies in Israel to tone down the original language proposed in the bill, this is a sad day for Israel.”

James Zogby:

In passing the #Jewish State bill the Israel has legislated annexation of #Palestinian land & establishment of an #apartheid system. Will this be the tipping point that finally moves liberal apologists to end their blind support & demand justice & human rights for Palestinians?

Jewish Voice for Peace also says Israel has confirmed its identity as an apartheid state. JVP Deputy Director Rabbi Alissa Wise:

“Today we put to bed once and for all the illusion that Israel is a democracy. The Nation-State bill that Israel passed today cements Israel as an apartheid state–from the West Bank to Gaza to Jerusalem to Haifa. Palestinians, no matter where they live, are controlled by an Israeli government and military that robs them of basic rights and freedoms.”

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  1. eljay
    eljay
    July 19, 2018, 10:39 am

    Netanyahu in triumph

    The “triumph” of supremacism – Jewish or otherwise – is the triumph of injustice and immorality. All hail Bibi, King of Jewish Supremacism.

    … The EU expresses concern …

    *snore*

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      July 20, 2018, 12:55 pm

      Must watch:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxetitXCApY

      Video:

      Palestinian advocate, Noura Erakat, interviewed by the Australia Broadcasting Corporation
      July 17/18

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 21, 2018, 6:56 pm

      @ej

      You don’t read much history. Supremacism has huge benefits and huge downsides. Like always and everything. You just need an enemy to make you feel better, not to survive

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 21, 2018, 8:04 pm

        || @Daa: @ej

        You don’t read much history. … ||

        Evidently you don’t read much of what you write.

        || … You just need an enemy to make you feel better, not to survive ||

        I know you Zionists don’t ever mean to make sense but occasionally – and, it seems, unintentionally – you do. Thank you for your most excellent description of the Zionist condition.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 21, 2018, 9:35 pm

        @ej

        Says the guy living hip to hip with the most supreme empire in eons.

        And if zionists, none of them, make any sense, ever, then you must feel like you live in an insane asylum.

        Hopefully, your young and have an actual life.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 21, 2018, 10:11 pm

        || @aak: @ej

        Says the guy living hip to hip with the most supreme empire in eons. … ||

        I don’t live “hip to hip” with any empire – not even the “Jewish State” empire.

        || … And if zionists, none of them, make any sense, ever, then you must feel like you live in an insane asylum. … ||

        I don’t feel that any supremacist – not even an anti-Semite – makes sense. But you’re telling me that anti-Semites should make sense. Why do you hate Jews so much?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 22, 2018, 12:31 pm

        . “Supremacism has huge benefits and huge downsides”

        And one thing about “supremacism”(sic), and it’s the best thing of all! It doesn’t matter how few people you’ve got, it doesn’t matter what a desiccated sliver of land you’ve got, as soon as you say you’re “supreme”, you are!

        Even if you haven’t got enough people to fill up the gene-pool

  2. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 19, 2018, 11:52 am

    Beginning of the end.

    • annie
      annie
      July 19, 2018, 12:14 pm

      the beginning of the end came and went a long time ago.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 19, 2018, 1:01 pm

        “the beginning of the end came and went a long time ago.”

        Okay. Where did it go?

      • annie
        annie
        July 19, 2018, 2:06 pm

        where did the beginning of the end of israel go? hmm. is that a trick question? it’s been on a downhill road since the beginning.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 19, 2018, 4:17 pm

        Annie – I wrote ‘beginning of the end’. You then added ‘of israel’ then ask me if my response to you was a trick question? To be more clear, imo It’s the beginning of the end of a lot more than just israel.Of course you could still write all the same responses to that too I guess.

      • Boris
        Boris
        July 19, 2018, 6:23 pm

        It is the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end …

        I’ll take it…

      • NickJOCW
        NickJOCW
        July 20, 2018, 7:59 am

        It’s a big step towards the end of international law, that optimistic concept which arose from the deaths of 60 million in WWII.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 21, 2018, 9:38 pm

        @annie

        you must realize how right you are.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 21, 2018, 9:42 pm

        @m

        Just an fyi: there were laws informing war before ww2. nations large and small have continued to ignore the laws they either don’t like, don’t fear or don’t believe they can abide by. basically nothing in the world has changed since israel was reborn except for europe and the west hyper focus on jerusalem and the arab drive to destroy jewish sovereignty. that is a strictly 20th century thing

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 22, 2018, 1:49 am

        DaBakr: “large and small have continued to ignore the laws they either don’t like, don’t fear or don’t believe they can abide by”

        Aah, the Zionist “if other commit crimes, we can commit crimes, too” approach.

        DaBakr: “israel was reborn”

        Ahh, the Zionist “Israel is an innocent child and came naturally into existence” metaphor.

        DaBakr: “and the arab drive to destroy jewish sovereignty”

        Aah, the Zionist victim abuser reversal in which the violent preventer of Palestinian souvereignity and destroyer and conquerer of Palestine see themselves as victims of the natives.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 22, 2018, 10:44 am

        @DaBakr-

        “Just an fyi” blah, blah, blah, yak, yak, yak…..

        mansplain away (far, far away, okay?)

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 19, 2018, 2:17 pm

  3. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 19, 2018, 12:00 pm

    Here’s a crazy, wacky idea EU – quit talking to netanyahoo and his band of racists and talk to Haneen Zoabi, Jamal Zahalka and Joint List members. Cut netanyahoo off – he’s just another zionist arch-criminal. (They are the ones who take terrible pictures – they’re too real).

    https://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.6291110.1531993728!/image/2549187642.jpg_gen/derivatives/headline_1200x630/2549187642.jpg

    • msmoore
      msmoore
      July 19, 2018, 12:51 pm

      Love the picture.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 20, 2018, 3:26 am

        Looks like a group of contestants at a pie eating contest.

    • July 21, 2018, 6:04 am

      Marnie – after all the pies were eaten

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 22, 2018, 8:16 am

        Of course! That explains the satisfied look of the bloated, never knowing when enough is enough or too much of a good thing. The disimpaction will be epic.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    July 19, 2018, 12:40 pm

    Does the Nation State of the Jewish People come with borders.

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 19, 2018, 12:50 pm

      || amigo: Does the Nation State of the Jewish People come with borders. ||

      I think the border are what they’ve always been: As much as possible of geographic Palestine.

      • HarryLaw
        HarryLaw
        July 19, 2018, 2:28 pm

        eljay ” As much as possible of geographic Palestine” With all due respect, I think you are wrong about that, the Israelis claim sovereignty over the whole of Palestine i.e. ‘The Land of Israel’ this is in the Likud constituion as it is in the new basic law. If the Palestinians do not recognise Israeli sovereignty over the whole ‘ of the land of Israel’ and confine themselves to the ‘Bantustans’ paid for by the Saudis and other Gulfies the US and EU then they will be made to suffer. Naftali Bennett wrote about this in the New York Times not long ago, including the Palestinians administering those areas without a vote in the Knesset, in short…”The Palestinians will have political independence, hold their own elections, select their own leadership, run their own schools, maintain their own social services and issue their own building permits. They should govern themselves and run their day-to-day lives. Israel should not interfere. Much of this already exists, but we can do better.

        This Palestinian entity will be short of a state. It will not control its own borders and will not be allowed to have a military”. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/opinion/naftali-bennett-for-israel-two-state-is-no-solution.html There we have it, no two state solution. Unfortunately there is no political will for outsiders to do anything about confronting Israeli impunity, the EU said we “will continue to engage with Israeli authorities” in other words they will do nothing. The Palestinians must first try to unite, then find allies in the region to formulate an action plan.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 19, 2018, 3:02 pm

        || HarryLaw: eljay ” As much as possible of geographic Palestine” With all due respect, I think you are wrong about that, the Israelis claim sovereignty over the whole of Palestine … ||

        I don’t believe I am. For their “Jewish State” Zionists want as much as possible of geographic Palestine as they can get. So far, that area has grown from Partition borders to ’67 borders to most of geographic Palestine. If they can secure all of it, that’s “as much as possible” as they’ll get. If they can only secure 98%, that’s also “as much as possible” as they’ll get.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 19, 2018, 4:38 pm

        “I think the borders are what they’ve always been: As much as possible of geographic Palestine”

        Everything, everything

        To end up perhaps with nothing

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        July 19, 2018, 6:33 pm

        Greetings on my 74th birthday! I think that Israel is very happy to contemplate the indefinite existence of a Palestinian minority and of Palestinian enclaves. Zionism, in its self image, is generous to a high degree, everything that a movement for national liberation should be, everything that Nazism was not. Of course it is being generous with what it does not deserve to have but that fact is rendered invisible.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 19, 2018, 8:13 pm

        I think that should be “as much as possible of what the Zionists regard as Palestine and Eretz Israel”.

        The modest versions include much of Jordan and Lebanon. The more ambitious versions are reputed to stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 19, 2018, 8:25 pm

        Happy Birthday, and many happy returns.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 20, 2018, 2:23 am

        RoHa,

        You’re absolutely right.

        I believe that the last official statement among Zionists, ie not for PR consumption, is still Ben Gurion 1938 (World Council of Poale Zion):
        “The boundaries of Zionist aspiration include southern Lebanon, southern Syria, today’s Jordan, all of Cis-Jordan and the Sinai.”

        How? The statement of strategy for Zionist consumption also was in a 1938 speech:
        “After we become a strong force as the result of the creation of the state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine. The state will only be a stage in the realization of Zionism and its task is to prepare the ground for our expansion. The state will have to preserve order – not by preaching but with machine guns.”

        Peace-loving Labor socialists all.

      • Sibiriak
        Sibiriak
        July 20, 2018, 2:32 am

        Happy Birthday!!

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      July 19, 2018, 4:49 pm

      It’s borders are expanding on a daily basis, at the expense of the indigenous people.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      July 20, 2018, 1:29 am

      Not at all, but a lovely gift basket of cherry tomatoes and jewish dairy products. Barf.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        July 20, 2018, 1:52 am

        Sorry Kay24, I meant this for amigo above at 12:40. ;^P

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      July 20, 2018, 3:33 pm

      Yes, movable ones.

  5. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    July 19, 2018, 12:55 pm

    Jewish messianism sees Israel as the reward for the Shoah . Without Auschwitz there could be no white phosporous, no Bar Refaeli.
    Jewish Messianism says history is over.
    History is never over.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 19, 2018, 7:45 pm

      History ended in 1946. Everything since then is current events.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 1:00 am

        The past never ends

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 11:18 am

        “The past never ends”

        Oh, I gave up on the past ending years ago. What I want to know is: “When does the future begin?”

      • gamal
        gamal
        July 20, 2018, 4:49 pm

        “When does the future begin?”

        i think because there was a comment by a bataween, district of baghdad, which you answered so this made me think of

        Frankenstein in Baghdad by Ahmed Saadawi, for those who still read novels I don’t but I know people who do and they tell me about them.

        https://www.opendemocracy.net/opensecurity/omar-dewachi/wounds-of-baghdad%27s-frankenstein

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 20, 2018, 9:09 pm

        “When does the future begin?”

        I don’t think it’s going to, Mooser. I have been told many times that the future begins tomorrow, or a fortnight on Wednesday, or next year. But when we got to it, it wasn’t. In the Twentieth Century we were given to understand that the Twenty-first Century was the future. But we are well into the Twenty-first Century, and it just turns out to be now.

        I say the future is a serious matter, and so, for Byron’s sake, hock and soda water.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 11:25 am

        The Future? I’m always a little behind the present, so I’ll probably be late.

        Besides, I’m suffering from B’in de siècle.

  6. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 19, 2018, 1:12 pm

    Once again Israel showing the world that it will keep the apartheid state going, and it will keep making the minority feel like second class citizens.
    Crooked Bibi is doing his darndest to keep Jewish supremacy alive.

    • JohnSmith
      JohnSmith
      July 19, 2018, 6:45 pm

      I realize your contributions at MondoWeiss are incredible and estimable, but I think there is a typo in your comment! I think you mean “make the *majority* feel like second class citizens.” Perhaps people find it “impolite” not to go along with Zionist claims, but no matter how many ways Zionists have been slicing things and dicing things over the years, I don’t think they’ve ever been in the majority in Israel-Palestine. Certainly not if you include the disenfranchised driven from their homes.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        July 20, 2018, 5:42 am

        I mean the minority within Israel. Of course if you go with the one state narrative, then it will be “majority”. It is disgusting that they keep getting away with pretending to be the victim, while in reality they are villains.

    • hai_bar
      hai_bar
      July 20, 2018, 6:21 am

      All I can say is .. fuck! People are starting to talk about us with the “Minority” sense, Europeans did it again. The American example on Palestine, we are minority now …

  7. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    July 19, 2018, 1:15 pm

    @amigo
    “Does the Nation State of the Jewish People come with borders”

    Not so far as I can tell but it does come with war criminals and murderers.

    I do hope that Ireland continues to take the moral lead and hopefully be the first EU country to severe ties with the Apartheid colony.

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 19, 2018, 1:55 pm

      0ssinev/eljay.

      My fervent hope is that the Notion(al) state of the Jewish people will come and go without ever having had Borders.

      Israel , the state that never was.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 19, 2018, 4:45 pm

        The state of Israel is psychotic

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 22, 2018, 2:41 am

        @mg

        There are a lot of psychotic nations in not only the middle east. But okay, you also feel you have an enemy in the sovereignty of the jewish people.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 22, 2018, 1:22 pm

        .” But okay, you also feel you have an enemy in the sovereignty of the jewish people”

        Awwww, poor bubelle. Didn’t anybody tell you enemies comes with the sovereignty package?

        Basically, “DaBakr”, you can’t keep defending Israel’s “sovereignty” by using the Jewish religion. (We pray! We speak Hebrew long time!) It just doesn’t work like that.

  8. John O
    John O
    July 19, 2018, 1:35 pm

    Interesting to look at how the NYT is reporting this. More interesting to see the readers’ comments – overwhelmingly decrying the folly and injustice of this decision.

    • annie
      annie
      July 19, 2018, 2:03 pm

      Interesting to look at how the NYT is reporting this.
      on page A6!

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 19, 2018, 4:33 pm

        The NYT has been behind Israel every step of the way. Really stupid.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        July 22, 2018, 2:43 am

        @mg

        Except there are all these’psychotic’ american zionist jews running around saying the exact opposite of the times and forcing quite a few corrections on their bias against israel lately.

  9. Xpat
    Xpat
    July 19, 2018, 1:52 pm

    Bravo to the Oudeh and the Palestinian MKs for ripping up this disgusting piece of paper! American Jews need to resist Section 6. We should have nothing to do with this racist bully. It can keep its fantasies to itself. We have enough trouble with our homegrown White supremacists.

  10. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    July 19, 2018, 2:09 pm

    “Our language” is Modern Hebrew, the trauma and groupthink vector.
    Nobody thinks like Jewish Israelis cos nobody speaks modern Hebrew. Modern Hebrew has all of the filth that defines the insanity.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 19, 2018, 7:49 pm

      I recall seeing a film in which a middle-aged Jew grumbled about young Jews not knowing “their own language”. But he was talking about Yiddish.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 11:09 am

        “young Jews not knowing “their own language”

        Look what happened to me. When I was a little chicken-soup of a boy with ears like twin spinnakers, my Mom would drop into Yiddish (or even more frustrating, a Yiddish-English patois) whenever she talked with relatives about grown-up stuff on the phone. As a result, I received none of the knowledge traditionally passed down by eavesdropping, and arrived at my majority innocent and ingenuous.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 20, 2018, 8:52 pm

        “arrived at my majority innocent and ingenuous.”

        And you still are, and we love you for it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 11:34 am

        Thanks.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      July 22, 2018, 2:45 am

      @mg

      Well, I suppose with your attitude one could just as well say Arabic, in all its forms,, is a filthy disgusting language. that is how low you come off. Jews have been reading and reciting Hebrew and prayers mentioning Jerusalem for thousands of years.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 22, 2018, 1:27 pm

        Hoi! For “thousands of years,” “Jews have been reading and reciting” Modern Hebrew, constructed language built up by Perlman as a Slavo-Germano-Biblical Hebrew creole?

        Some language historians we got here.

  11. inbound39
    inbound39
    July 19, 2018, 2:23 pm

    The Apartheid State of Israel cannot be allowed to stand. Federica Mogherini needs to wake up. Her concern does nothing. She needs to encourage and put in place stiff sanctions against Israel and follow Ireland’s example.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 20, 2018, 2:16 pm

      I think too many politicians are afraid of the lobby so the pressure will have to come from below.
      People have to organise.
      Israel is not going to make it. It only takes 10% of a population to know something for it to become accepted

  12. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    July 19, 2018, 2:23 pm

    This day of ignominy goes back to a speech Nitin/Milikovski/Netanyahu made in his 20s. There is no such thing as a Palestinian. there is no such thing as Palestinian rights. They lost. It is over.

    In the intervening period he became King of the Jews and his crap became policy. Now there is the Jewish state min al Nahr ila al bahr – from the river to the sea. It has been made possible by US cover and US money. Nothing ever stood in the way of the project. It needed the brainwashing of the Israeli Jewish population too of course and the diversion of over $100 bn of taxes from welfare and education to the fucking settlers.
    The project succeeded because of its many enablers- the EU too of course and the Arab leaders. It also ran up huge risks. One of these risks will blow up Israel. And Israel can never reach equilibrium. It can never be a normal country.
    Nobody groupthinking sees any of this.

    The big question is how did Zionism, Hatikva, the great hope, end up led by such an asshole.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 19, 2018, 3:37 pm

      The big question is how did Zionism, Hatikva, the great hope, end up led by such an asshole.

      Check your irrational sympathies. “Zionism, Hatikva” was initiated and implemented by assholes bigger than the current Yahoo.
      And, important to observe, followed by the same ilk.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 19, 2018, 4:18 pm

        It was. Many countries were too. Israel had the chance to be a normal country, to deal with the past and secure its future . It needed a decent leader to execute that. Instead it had a succession of vicious assholes. Now it’s too late.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 19, 2018, 5:50 pm

        Maghla,

        Stop justifying colonialism, theft and murder.
        So occupying other people’s land is not the problem, eh, as long as the locals are just natives? Only the “excesses” seem to be a problem?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 1:07 am

        It’s not justifying it Echi. There is no point in being absolutist or pretending 1948 can be reversed just because you feel like it. .If you don’t have the political forces you have to operate in reality.

        I actually think they’ll be forced out eventually but in say 1990 they could have changed . I know Palestinians who were ready to live together with them. I know Palestinians who believed in the peace process and moved back to Ramallah to make the state work. And At the end of the day the Beitar Jews have no other home.

        The war is between decency and nihilism and Israel chose to fight with nihilism.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 1:46 am

        Another thing Echi. Most Israelis were not around in 1948 so it counts as sins of the fathers . They were born in a country with a terrible hIstory.

        Willy Brandt went to Warsaw.

        https://youtu.be/wiWPX9k4QQY

        Germany did far worse things in Poland in ww2. Brandt was humble and made very symbolic gestures to indicate Germany accepted the new borders and its responsibilities .

        That is the kind of thing an Israeli leader could havé done. But Zionists are trash .

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 20, 2018, 10:32 am

        Maghla

        Most Israelis were not around in 1948 so it counts as sins of the fathers

        Forget the biblical stuff and the fathers. The sons are squatting without a formal permission from the owners of the land, period. Being born somewhere does not give automatic citizenship.
        (As for “sins of the fathers”, still irrelevant anyway, take a gander at the current generation, more Nazi-like than anything before .)

        Willy Brandt went to Warsaw

        How dare you? Brandt escaped Nazi Germany and he fought against it in the war. He was a real resistant. He went to lead and represent an enemy and successor of the occupiers of Poland, not out of the same Nazi state. As different as invader-“Israel” to a restored Palestine.

        … in say 1990 they could have changed . I know Palestinians who were ready to live together with them. I know Palestinians who believed in the peace process and moved back to Ramallah to make the state work.

        And I know a lot of deluded people everywhere, too. Also Frenchmen, Norwegians, Greeks, Croats and Americans named Pétain, Quisling, Tsolakoglou, Pavelic and Kushner, so what?

        The point is that only a bona fide plebiscite, including all Palestinians anywhere in the world and excluding all invaders and offspring thereof, from the date of declared hostile intent, counts as the formal will of the owners of the country –a plebiscite done in the absence of any occupation or other duress. Good luck with that.

        In the absence of self-determination, you’ll always get a national liberation war sometime. Even if some good people delay it by being “reasonable”, it always ends up there, ask any Africans. Or in a successful genocide, ask American natives.
        The JaboGurions know this; you don’t seem to.

        At the end of the day the Beitar Jews have no other home

        What rot. Almost all have at least one other citizenship, or the right to one, and the US has already agreed and guaranteed to take up all who don’t. And if they are “Betar”, good luck giving them Palestinian citizenship anyway. My humble prediction is that the current suicidal fanaticism on the invader side will expand yet a lot more by the time push comes to shove.

        If you don’t have the political forces…

        you build them –you start by weeding out your collaborators. That’s what recent history of WW2 and decolonization should have taught all.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 2:20 pm

        Echi

        You are too much of a romantic. You need to get real :)
        Northern Ireland is similar to Israel. The settlers created a clusterfuck. Any solution has to include them. There is no going back to t minus 1.
        Maybe a lot of Israelis will leave anyway. Especially if they lose their economic privileges.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 5:57 pm

        “You are too much of a romantic. You need to get real “

        “Echi” is about as real as it gets!

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 20, 2018, 9:58 pm

        You know, Maghlawhatever, the same old shit was told to the Algerians and all other colonials.
        Also, flippant dismissal by calling people “romantic” is not an answer to the points raised.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 21, 2018, 2:42 am

        Echi

        How did Algeria work out?
        Decontamination of settler colonial situations is not straightforward.

        For the record I agree with you about 1948. It should never have had the get go. Guaranteed cluster fuck.
        But it is what it is

        https://youtu.be/OCI-lRndToU

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 21, 2018, 8:48 am

        Maghlawatan,

        Bullshit again. Who said straightforward? We’re not talking about prosperity but justice.

        Whatever goes on in ex-colonies that effectively kicked out their settlers is not an argument against kicking out the occupier.

        Some of the ex-Nazi-occupied countries have a holy mess, many are horrible as US puppets –that’s not a good reason for having kept the Nazi occupation.

  13. Kay24
    Kay24
    July 19, 2018, 2:56 pm

    This is our illegal nation built on stolen land, and you are supposed to ignore the fact that we are evil enough to kill, steal, and occupy, until we have rid the Palestinian territories of all Arabs. Our sugar daddy is also complicit in our crimes.

  14. Talkback
    Talkback
    July 19, 2018, 3:21 pm

    After the Nazi like differentiation between nationals and citizens it’s just the next logical step. The mask is falling.

  15. gracie fr
    gracie fr
    July 19, 2018, 3:34 pm

    If no international condemnation and sanctions of some kind are not forthcoming, this move of “exclusive citizenry” will set an extremely dangerous precedent for all those international pariahs with animus toward internal minority populations struggling against ongoing human rights violations committed against them under the fig leaf of fighting “terrorism”(Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Chechnya, Mali
    Niger, and with potential retaliation against independent movements in Cameron,Turkey,Myranmar, Xinjihina China etc). By in large, Israel has rewritten international law when it comes to the killing. exiling, capture and imprisonment and torture of internal dissidents with the endless clamor of …”We are protecting our citizens”. Beginning with Hell fire missiles in 2000, the IDF had escalated to drone fired missiles by 2002 triggering mounting concern due to widespread collateral damage. Today, the drone strike and other means of annihilation have become standard practice. These methods falls under the categorical imperative of the Lesser Evil/economy of results/Ticking Time bomb/Doctrine of Necessity/ the greatest good for the greatest number/Preemption doctrine. In sum, one side is legitimate and the other side is not and anybody that doesn’t roll over and contests the fact aggressively deserves to die…..

  16. guyn
    guyn
    July 19, 2018, 4:24 pm

    They have forgotten to legalize animal sacrifice on the Temple Mount.

    • echinococcus
      echinococcus
      July 19, 2018, 5:51 pm

      Bah, as long as human sacrifice is an everyday event that doesn’t even rate a mention any longer, they don’t really need animal sacrifice.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 21, 2018, 2:01 am

        Tovarischtch Boris,

        Mooh yourself indeed. Since when are Ashkenazi genetic diseases the same as the Sefardí ones? The latter are not, by the way, shared with the Yemenis and the Ethiopians. And so on.
        You haven’t been paying attention during your biology lessons and you haven’t been paying atttention to MW discussions, either.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 11:40 am

        “And so on.”

        Exactly! Apparently there are certain sacrifices which must be made for the sake of “Jewish DNA”.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 12:37 pm

        “Since when are Ashkenazi genetic diseases the same as the Sefardí ones? The latter are not, by the way, shared with the Yemenis and the Ethiopians. And so on.” “Echin”

        The JGDC site explains the grouping of the genetic diseases under ethnicities:

        “There are different genetic concerns for people of Ashkenazi (Eastern European), Sephardi, and Mizrahi backgrounds. However, while some diseases are more frequently found in specific communities, this does not mean these diseases are exclusive to individuals from those places. Furthermore, we have seen cases of Jewish individuals who carry diseases that are pan-ethnic, or common among all ethnicities. Therefore, it has become common for genetics professionals to order expanded carrier screening that is not ethnicity-specific and includes broader testing for individuals of all ethnic backgrounds,.”

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 21, 2018, 1:22 pm

        JDGC: “Furthermore, we have seen cases of Jewish individuals who carry diseases that are pan-ethnic, or common among all ethnicities.”

        There you go. Jews are not ONE ethnic group. There are a pan-ethnic group. So it’s definitely not (one) ethnicity that makes them Jewish.

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 21, 2018, 1:25 pm

        Nice to see you trying your hand at population genetics, Mooser, but again you’re quoting Popular Mechanics.

        That summary on who to test, for what. is obvious, especially after the Zionist invasion and the fake nationalism of a political movement that got followers by getting the boobies to buy into the mythoracism of religion as racially based. That is the point.

        Not obvious in the way soapy Dr. Z formulates it, though: Comrade Boris still wouldn’t get it.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 7:25 pm

        “That summary on who to test, for what. is obvious, especially after the Zionist invasion and the fake nationalism of a political movement that got followers by getting the boobies to buy into the mythoracism of religion as racially based.”

        So they made it all up just scare people and make money off the tests? That’s a hell of a thing to do.

    • Boris
      Boris
      July 19, 2018, 6:34 pm

      I can see why this concerns you.

      But have no fear – your hide is safe. There is nothing about religion in this bill.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 19, 2018, 9:14 pm

        || Boris: … There is nothing about religion in this bill. ||

        Yup, not a peep about religion…aside from confirming Israel’s status as a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for people all over the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who have chosen or will choose to embrace the religion-based identity of Jewish.

        Good one.  :-)

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 19, 2018, 11:31 pm

        Boris: “There is nothing about religion in this bill.”

        Yes, yes. It would be different if “Jewish” would refer to any religion. or if Israels’s rabbinate decides who is Jewish or not, right?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 10:28 am

        ” There is nothing about religion in this bill.”

        But without “religion” how on earth can we tell who is and isn’t Jewish?(And don’t say “DNA”, I found out all people have DNA, not just Jews.)

        How can you tell who is Jewish, except religion? And more importantly, how can we tell who isn’t Jewish in spite of their claims, conversion, ability to speak Hebrew and Orthodox religious practices?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 12:42 pm

        “But have no fear – your hide is safe.”

        Nobody’s “hide” is safe, “Boris”. As you say:

        “Obviously, the converts are not the descendants of Hebrews. But the percentage of Jewish converts is very low. This is btw one of the reasons Reform Judaism is not recognized in Israel is because they make conversion way too easy.” “Boris”

        So how Jewish is Jewish enough for Israel?

      • Boris
        Boris
        July 20, 2018, 2:53 pm

        But without “religion” how on earth can we tell who is and isn’t Jewish?(And don’t say “DNA”,

        But it is! I told you earlier how 23andme determined that I am a Jew without me telling them anything about my religion or a lack of one.

        I found out all people have DNA, not just Jews.)

        Yes, Mu-mu, they do. Animals, like guyn, also have it. And trees – all living organisms have DNA. Even antisemites! And this DNA tells who is Jewish and who is not.

        So how Jewish is Jewish enough for Israel?

        I believe if one of your grandparents is/was Jewish – then Israel recognizes you as a Jew. It is no different than membership in Native American tribes – they all have different acceptable thresholds of percentage of tribal blood for their members.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 20, 2018, 3:38 pm

        || Boris: … if one of your grandparents is/was Jewish – then Israel recognizes you as a Jew. … ||

        And why wouldn’t it? Israel is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” primarily of and for people who:
        – undergo a religious conversion to Judaism; or
        – are descended from someone who underwent a religious conversion to Judaism.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 4:47 pm

        “But it is! I told you earlier how 23andme determined that I am a Jew”

        Did the “23andme” include “J.G.D. ‘carrier testing’?

        ” without me telling them anything about my religion or a lack of one.”

        Yes, that’s what it says:“Jewish genetic heritage does not depend on religious practice or observance.”

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 5:09 pm

        “Nearly 1 in 2 Ashkenazi Jews (German, Eastern European or French, but not Russian) is a carrier for at least one Jewish genetic disease.”

        Gee, that’s cold; “Jewish genetic disease”? I would never call any disease genetic or otherwise by a religion’s name, but I’m not a doctor. Apparently it’s enough of a thing to have its own name, like “Jewish values” or “Jewish ethics”. Shocked me, but there it is.

      • Boris
        Boris
        July 20, 2018, 10:22 pm

        So, Mu-mu, if being Jewish is just a religious thing, how to you get this genetic disease?

        And what about converts? Do rabbis inject this disease into them during the conversion???

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 11:43 am

        “So, Mu-mu, if being Jewish is just a religious thing, how to you get this genetic disease?”

        ROTFLMJGO! That’s right “Boris”, those are our own “Jewish Genetic Diseases” and you won’t find those exclusive diseases among other peoples.
        And that’s a big argument against out-marriage, isn’t it?

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 21, 2018, 12:33 pm

        Boris: “But it is! I told you earlier how 23andme determined that I am a Jew”.

        Wait. Did it say that you have Ashkenazi ancestry or that you have ancient Hebrew ancestry?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 21, 2018, 2:00 pm

        “And what about converts? Do rabbis inject this disease into them during the conversion???” “Boris”

        Of course not.
        So the huge amount of converts being received into the Jewish religion will provide enough genetic variety to deepen our gene-pool to the point anyone can dive in headfirst?

        “Boris” did you happen to notice if ‘foot-in-mouth disease’ was on the list?

    • Stephen Shenfield
      Stephen Shenfield
      July 20, 2018, 3:41 pm

      That comes after the Al-Aqsa Mosque is demolished and the Temple rebuilt in its place.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 20, 2018, 8:00 am

      If the fundis get into the compound they will destroy the 3rd most holy site in Islam. And that will kick off WW3.

      • July 21, 2018, 6:34 am

        Who would the Saudis, UAE, Bahrain and Egypt side with in this WW3 ?

  17. Qualtrough
    Qualtrough
    July 19, 2018, 10:40 pm

    This is the Zionist equivalent of an ‘Own Goal’. BDS could only hope to cause as much damage to Zionism as this act will.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 20, 2018, 12:51 pm

      Yes, Israel must now, finally, come up with a correct and unalterable definition of “Jewish”. Which can be applied in a binary way (Jewish/not).
      And cannot be applied on a graduated scale (not/less/ Jewish/ more/ most).

      That’ll be easy. If there’s one thing all Jewish people abhor, it’s any discussion of who is more or less or authentically or in-authentically Jewish. It’s strictly tribal ubiquity with us.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 2:24 pm

        Mooser

        A Mr A Hitler had a standard definition of Jewishness. I bet the Zionists will come back to that.

      • eljay
        eljay
        July 20, 2018, 3:45 pm

        || Mooser: Yes, Israel must now, finally, come up with a correct and unalterable definition of “Jewish”. Which can be applied in a binary way (Jewish/not).
        And cannot be applied on a graduated scale (not/less/ Jewish/ more/ most). … ||

        Zionists on MW already seem to know who is Jewish, who is not Jewish and who is not “Jewish enough”. Israel just needs to take a walk down to ZioHQ to get the answers it’s looking for.

  18. iResistDe4iAm
    iResistDe4iAm
    July 19, 2018, 11:00 pm

    Having ethnically cleansed the majority of Palestinians and wiped Palestine off the map, Israel officially strips the surviving Palestinians of their rights.

    Israel is built on the RUBBLE & ASHES of another country, and the CORPSES BLOOD & TEARS of another people.

  19. Marnie
    Marnie
    July 20, 2018, 3:49 am

    Interesting.

    “Arabic was never an official language in Israel”: Janan … – YouTube

  20. Emet
    Emet
    July 20, 2018, 4:30 am

    Arabs complaining about democracy? Tibi and Odeh with their crocodile tears is something to see. Can someone please remind them that democracy does not exist in the Arab world and the place where Arabs are at the most democratically secure is in Israel. Tibi and Odeh are arch hypocrites. Don’t believe a word that comes out of their mouths. The Koran even permits Muslims to lie. Not so Achmad?

    • eljay
      eljay
      July 20, 2018, 8:37 am

      || Emet: Arabs complaining about democracy? Tibi and Odeh with their crocodile tears is something to see. Can someone please remind them that democracy does not exist in the Arab world … ||

      Tibi and Odeh are Israelis living in Israel. Last I heard, Israel isn’t the “Arab world”.

      But you can always count on a Zionist to:
      – boast that the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel is a “moral beacon”, a “light unto the nations”, a “progressive paradise” and a “Western-style democracy”; and then
      – defend the religion-supremacist “Jewish State” of Israel by pointing out that it’s not quite as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali, African “hellholes”, China, 19th-century America, Russia, Syria and Egypt.

      || … The Koran even permits Muslims to lie. … ||

      So…who or what permits Zionists to lie as easily and profusely as they do?

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      July 20, 2018, 8:40 am

      Arabs complaining about democracy? Not hardly Emek, but the death of it. israel has claimed over and over ad nauseum that it is the only democracy in the middle east, repeatedly, on paper and on video – so much so that its enablers (u.s., u.k, u.n., etc.) also refer to it as a democracy so it’s not too surprising that arabs and jews alike are reacting to the death of it, phony and fake as it was.
      Don’t believe any words that come off the tips of Emek’s fingers or toes or whatever this little cheese keyboards with.

      The talmud permits the rape of children.
      The talmud permits murder. The bible does too and even provides that lucky jew with a sanctuary city to run to after the deed is done.
      “israel” is almost becoming the bastion of religious tolerance as saudi arabia.

    • Talkback
      Talkback
      July 20, 2018, 9:12 am

      Sheqer: “Can someone please remind them that democracy does not exist in the Arab world …”

      Your first lie.

      Sheqer: “… and the place where Arabs are at the most democratically secure is in Israel.”

      Your second lie.

      Sheqer: “The Koran even permits Muslims to lie.”

      Your third lie.

      Does your personal heritage permits you to lie that much, Sheqer?

      • gamal
        gamal
        July 20, 2018, 10:28 am

        “Does your personal heritage permits you to lie that much”

        I’m fairly sure it was Shafi’i of Gaza who said that if the state of enmity between the sects became intense one was authorised to practise “protective dissimulation” in respect of other Muslims, the Wahhabis like to claim it is a Shia innovation it isn’t,

        If i had any advise i would read the whole of The Bee, Muhammad Assad translation, but of course the reason for takiya, the necessity of takiya is obvious, the intense prohibition on lying which lies at the heart of Islamic ethics… obviously.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 10:57 am

        Yup, a bunch of stale crackers who try to pass themselves off as matzohs.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      July 20, 2018, 10:45 am

      @Emet

      “…the place where Arabs are at the most democratically secure is in Israel. ”

      Utter nonsense!!

      The entity known as “Israel,” i.e., west of the green line, is not and has never been a democracy. It is and has always has been an ethnocracy, i.e., a political structure in which the state apparatus is appropriated by a dominant ethnic group to further its interests, power and resources. In short, apartheid.

      To wit:
      Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

      Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid. (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

      “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
      EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

      Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
      https://www.youtube.com/wat…

      In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, published in 2016, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.”

      “Construction, Not Destruction”
      “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

      Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

      Baruch Kimmerling, Professor of Sociology, Hebrew University, Jerusalem: “The laws of Israel have become the laws of a master people and the morality that of lords of the land.”

      The entity known as “Israel” also differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.

      The effect of its blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi:
      “…dutifully defining the state as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

      70 years after it came about, the entity known as “Israel” is now more dependent on the U.S. for its survival than it has ever been (as Algeria was dependent on France, Rhodesia on Britain and the Belgian Congo on Belgium) and Jewish immigration is in free fall, emigration is soaring and “Israel” is increasingly viewed around the world as a fascistic, racist pariah.

      Including their ancestors, Palestinians have lived continuously between the River and the Sea for about 15,000 years and now outnumber Jews. In the long run, the Zionist entity will prove to be another blip.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 20, 2018, 2:41 pm

      Emet, habibi

      Palestinians are 20% of Israelis so they should have had 20% of ministers over the last 70 years.
      How many Palestinian ministers has Israel had ?

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      July 20, 2018, 9:19 pm

      “The Koran even permits Muslims to lie.”

      Could you tell me where, please. I’ve read the thing a couple of times, but I don’t recall that.

      • Rashers2
        Rashers2
        July 21, 2018, 1:05 am

        I was also wondering that, having similarly read the Qran, albeit in a (fairly) modern, English translation.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 22, 2018, 12:43 pm

      ” The Koran even permits Muslims to lie…”

      “Emet” if you feel that Islam (that is, your caricature of Islam) gives Israel the political and ethical tools needed for survival, convert to Islam, and Jewish values and Jewish democracy will trouble you no more.

  21. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    July 20, 2018, 5:26 am

    Ditching arabic is a sign that Israel has no interest in engaging with any of its neighbours. Or with the cultural history of its non Ashkenazi citizens. So , so short sighted.
    People with no roots are much easy to manipulate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJOV_cN-JP8&t=458s

    Etta Ankri is a Tunisian Jew who was born in Israel. This is her version of a song by Khaled, an Algerian. Half of the Jews in Israel originated in the Middle East .

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      July 20, 2018, 9:00 am

      Israel so desperately wants to believe it’s not located in the Middle East but in a make-believe land between Europe and America. This palaver about Hebrew is a smokescreen. This is not about preserving Hebrew and Jewish identity. If so, the Israelis would constrain the ubiquitous use of English and uphold its “national language” instead.
      You can manage very well in Israel without one word of Hebrew. It’s much harder to get by without Spanish in Miami (and parts of other American cities) than without Hebrew in Israel. In Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, all official (roads, govt offices etc) and most commercial signage are in English. Some stores have no Hebrew at all.
      Eradicating Arabic is just one more piece of the Nakba against Palestinian life in their homeland.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 11:51 am

        It’s also a Nakba of Mizrahi culture. Most Israeli Jews have no idea who they are. They get this fake history in school (taught by ignorant teachers, often on the left, especially in Beersheba) and paranoia in the Army. They are easy picking for demagogues.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        July 20, 2018, 12:48 pm

        @Elliot

        Well and truly stated!!!

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        July 20, 2018, 8:57 pm

        “Most Israeli Jews have no idea who they are.”

        But they’ve got identity cards to remind them.

  22. Boomer
    Boomer
    July 20, 2018, 10:42 am

    Is this really somethng new and substantive for Israel or, for that matter, the U.S.? As yahu said, it’s the culmination of more than 100 years of Zionist efforts. It didn’t suddenly just happen. As for the U.S., Bush Jr. signed off on the idea that Israel could take more of the occupied territories (something his father refrained from doing), and on the slaughter of Palestinians. Obama did the same de facto. Trump is more crude and obvious . . . he moved the embassy, for example, so that’s a change but not a substantive one. I don’t see much hope for a better life for Palestinians, or for moral redemption for the U.S. on this issue.

  23. Mooser
    Mooser
    July 20, 2018, 11:26 am

    A brilliant coup for Zionism. Now every Jew in Israel will be nervous: Is he (or she) Jewish, I mean really?
    Can he prove it?
    Is he Jewish enough?
    Who is more Jewish than him, who is less?
    And who is ‘passing’ as a Jew, and must be ‘outed’?

    Just the thing Zionism needs.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      July 20, 2018, 1:10 pm

      “Just the thing Zionism needs.”

      Just imagine the sense of security and belonging those who are 100% Jewish will feel. Don’t want to leave them out. Not that anybody ever could, of course. The visage of a Hittite Prince commands respect everywhere.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 3:54 pm

        “”In a rare move, archaeologists and curators at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem rushed to put the piece on public display. A detailed report is set for publication in the June edition of the journal Near Eastern Archaeology.”

        Typical zionism. The cult that will dig through and throw away 15 layers of history to find the one layer that may be Jewish

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 4:04 pm
      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 4:38 pm

        “Indeed. Something like this?”

        That’s him! He’s the one.

      • gamal
        gamal
        July 20, 2018, 9:01 pm

        “Lebanese Cedars were also namechecked in the Old Testament”

        Prior to that Gilgamesh and Enkidu killed the Ogre amongst the Cedars of Lebanon, the Gods killed Enkidu with fever as the Ogre was their watchman, Epic of Gilgamesh, he fears death after losing his lover so religion and all that Jazz.

        (Gilgamesh and Enkidu wrestle and then become friends inseparable, its from Iraq)

        also the snake steals the plant of immortality while Gilgamesh bathes, its the original press.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        July 21, 2018, 12:55 pm

        So they don’t know who he is, but they allready know that he is “biblical”. ROFL.

  24. genesto
    genesto
    July 20, 2018, 1:52 pm

    Maybe I’m the only one on this site who welcomes this law. I see this as one more nail in the coffin of Zionism, since it further exposes Zionism for what it has always been, while rendering its self-delusional, liberal version to the dustbin of history (if it’s not already there) where it belongs.

    Before we can have true progress, we must have complete honesty. Seen this way, this law is a positive step in that direction.

    • Xpat
      Xpat
      July 20, 2018, 2:43 pm

      Ah, that old chestnut: the worse it gets the better it will be. Maybe – or maybe not – you will be proven right in the long run. Easy enough for you and me to argue the point. In the meantime, the people who have everything at stake are rightly upset. Palestinians know what this means to them right now and in the foreseeable future.

      @Mahglawatan – yes. Israel is an Ashkenazi invention that thrives on the destruction of Jewish communities across the Mediterranean basin and beyond. Mizrahi Jews are an unfortunate reminder that Israel is still in the Middle East and a lot closer to Arab culture than they would like to believe. Israeli Hebrew is a modern European language invented in Eastern Europe by European Jews as a Jewish Esperanto. Nothing could be further from Mizrahi Jews, Arabs and the Middle East. Tchernichovsky and Bialik would be proud.

      https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3333948,00.html

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 20, 2018, 3:58 pm

        Elliot

        I remember being in a cafe in Tel Aviv one afternoon . There was an Egyptian soap opera on and maybe 20 guys speaking Hebrew watching.
        I have met a few Israeli taxi drivers who love Um Kulthum. That would horrify Naftali Bennett.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        July 20, 2018, 4:42 pm

        “Mizrahi Jews are an unfortunate reminder…”

        And will be left high and dry by Zionism when the time comes.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 20, 2018, 4:19 pm

      Israel always needed the protection of the Declaration of Independence. Look! Our progressive Declaration of Independence! We can’t be racist!

      Even the old fascists understood that. But after the Jerusalem capitulation by the Yanks, Netanyahu and the settlers are untouchable. Like a balloon seeking altitude they ditch everything they think they don’t need including this figleaf.

      The relationship with US Jews who are mostly Reform and Conservative is deteriorating. Israel is now run by medieval or pre medieval Orthodox. An openly discriminatory legal system is not going to fly either in Europe or amongst DC elites. It isn’t even working in Birthright circles.

      I would expect the Israeli corporate sector to push back on this but they are probably neutered anyway.

      It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Israeli groupthink says history is over.
      History says it is not.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/sep/12/march-of-the-neoliberals

      “Hegemony is a tricky concept and provokes muddled thinking. No victories are permanent or final. Hegemony has constantly to be worked on, maintained, renewed, revised. Excluded social forces, whose consent has not been won, whose interests have not been taken into account, form the basis of counter-movements, resistance, alternative strategies and visions …and the struggle over a hegemonic system starts anew. They constitute what Raymond Williams called “the emergent” –and the reason why history is never closed but maintains an open horizon towards the future.”

    • July 21, 2018, 6:48 am

      Genesto – similar reasoning was employed by many who cast their votes for tRUMP

      • echinococcus
        echinococcus
        July 21, 2018, 8:25 am

        Genesto – similar reasoning was employed by many who cast their votes for tRUMP

        And they weren’t wrong, Hunter. They got the same old shit but at least with an honest label.

  25. Rashers2
    Rashers2
    July 20, 2018, 5:15 pm

    One comment of yours, @Maghlawatan, in this thread so far (I haven’t reached the foot, yet…) I wholly endorse. The symbolism of the Haram Al Sharif is either underestimated (or not fully appreciated) by many Western politicians and political commentators. If some even-madder-than-most-Temple-Mounters Temple Mounter decides to plug one of the innumerable “archaeological” tunnels that already form a honeycomb beneath the Noble Sanctuary with high explosive and to detonate it, the dogs of Hell will be unleashed throughout Islam. The Zios and their enablers won’t know what has hit them.
    There will be serious blow-back elsewhere, too, although the reporting MSM is unlikely to conclude (correctly) – to stray into Biblical metaphor – that, “…, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap”.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      July 20, 2018, 6:20 pm

      @Rashers2

      There is a reason they left the Haram al sharif to the Waqf in 1967 amidst the messianic joy. The site is as toxic as Ayodhya in India, where Hinduism and Islam regularly shed blood over the Babri Masjid. After The BJP trashed the mosque in 1992,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWMHdK7m3JE

      Muslim taxi drivers in Bombay were dragged from their cars and beaten to death. They are easily identifiable in times of crisis by the lucky number they paint on their vehicles.

      I was in Bombay in 2008 when Pakistani militants attacked 2 luxury hotels , soft targets in something to do with Kashmir. The militants were ideological and made a point of visiting the local Chabad house and killing a few Jews. These were easily identifiable by the kippa.

      If Israel does do the unthinkable it will be vulnerable Jews across the world who do the dying.
      I know a synagogue in Zurich that has round the clock security. The price of militant Zionism and fathomless cruelty.

      And Islam will not tolerate anything that changes the status quo.

      • Rashers2
        Rashers2
        July 21, 2018, 1:53 am

        You’re right, @Maghlawatan, although I don’t want here to get side-tracked into commenting about the growth of Hindu Nationalism or sectarian tensions in India about which I don’t know much.
        One reason it is the Diaspora Jews, many assimilated and greater in number than Israeli Jews (+/- 9 m. vs. +/- 6 m.), who will cop the blow-back is the insistence by Mileikowsky & cohorts that the Israeli Ziopaths have the entitlement (one of many, it seems) to speak for all Jews, everywhere. Zionism is endangering all Jews, everywhere. What bit of the statistics do these ideologues not understand: currently there are 14 m. – 15 m. Jews and roughly 1.8 bn. Muslims on the planet (2017 Pew stats.); by mid-century, there will, according to the same source, be ca. 3 bn. Muslims and – er – 16 m. Jews. Ffs, Mileikowsky, et al., get a grip!!!! Dimina or no Dimona, Trump or no Trump, if Islam – forget today’s Muslim politicians – if the Islamosphere – gets seriously cross with you, your chances and those of your colonial enterprise will be counted on the fingers of the hands of an arm-less man.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        July 22, 2018, 12:51 am

        @Rashers2

        I agree about the numbers. The plural of anecdote is not data. Israel did ok with violence up to now but hegemony is never fixed. Islam won’t always be disorganised. Interestingly the location of the Zionist state has not been that easy to defend historically. The Jewish temple was destroyed twice in ancient history- once by Egyptians and once by Persians – they were more numerous than the Jews at the time because they didn’t have the rule about having a Jewish mother.. other thing is that the carrying capacity of Israel is less than that of say Turkey or Iran. Specialist religions tend to be more secure in mountainous areas.

        http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/brzezinski-the-syria-crisis-8636

        “But in the long run, a hostile region like that can
        not be policed, even by a nuclear-armed Israel. It will simply do to Israel what some of the wars have done to us on a smaller scale. Attrite it, tire it, fatigue it, demoralize it, cause emigration of the best and the first, and then some sort of cataclysm at the end which cannot be predicted at this stage because we don’t know who will have what by when. And after all, Iran is next door. It might have some nuclear capability. Suppose the Israelis knock it off. What about Pakistan and others? The notion that one can control a region from a very strong and motivated country, but of only six million people, is simply a wild dream

  26. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    July 21, 2018, 5:23 am

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/israel-nation-state-law/565712/
    “The damage that will be done by this new nation-state law to the legitimacy of the Zionist vision … is enormous,” wrote Rick Jacobs, the head of the U.S.-based Union for Reform Judaism, in a press release. J Street, a liberal Zionist organization, called it “a sad day for Israel and all who care about its democracy and its future.”

    Israel does not care about american jews or what they think. Trauma doesn’t care about anybody. Alcoholics don’t stop drinking because a cousin says something at Thanksgiving

  27. genesto
    genesto
    July 22, 2018, 5:00 pm

    That wasn’t my point, although it may indeed have to get worse before it gets better. It appears that it will get worse no matter what we want to see for the Palestinians, so we might as well just hope that it gets better sooner than later.

    My point was that having honesty about the Zionist intentions all along provides clarity which, I think, gets us closer to a just solution, Of course, none of us in the movement want to see the Palestinians suffer any more than necessary.

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