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Years of media scrutiny surrounding UK Labour and its leader, Jeremy Corbyn, over accusations of alleged anti-semitism have boiled to a frenzy in recent months.

The left-wing politician and his support for the Palestinian cause has made him the target of the international pro-Israel lobby, who have accused him of participating in and tolerating what has been dubbed the “new anti-Semitism”: criticism of the Israeli state for its human rights abuses and war crimes in the occupied Palestinian territory.

After the Labour party adopted in July a new version of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-Semitism that specifically excludes portions conflating anti-Israel activism with anti-Semitism, criticism of Corbyn is at an all-time high.

Amid all the hysteria, one Israeli lawyer and activist is attempting to shed light on the Israeli government’s role in the smear campaign against Corbyn, and what he criticises as the right-wing Netanyahu administration’s hypocrisy when it comes to fighting anti-Semitism.

On August 19, Israeli Advocate Eitay Mack filed a freedom of information request to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, in order “to verify that these play no part in the de-legitimization waged in recent years on the UK Labour Party and Mr. Corbyn,” as stated in the letter filed by Mack.

In a six-month undercover investigation, Al Jazeera reporters revealed the extent to which Israeli officials — specifically from the Israeli Embassy in the UK — influence British politics, through working with political youth organizations and MPs.

Parts of the investigation exposed a senior officer at the embassy, Shai Masot, expressing his desire to “take down” British politicians who were sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. On several occasions, Masot referenced Jeremy Corbyn as one of the threats to the Israeli political agenda.  

In his letter, sent to both ministries, Mack states that “in the past two years, it has been revealed that the two ministries carry out activities against critics of the State of Israel in the UK,” citing specifically Prime Minister Netanyahu’s “public confrontations” with Corbyn.

Mack has requested the release of non-classified information, documents, records and correspondences by the two ministries with NGOs, groups, individuals and journalists in the UK, as they regard the Labour Party and Corbyn.

One of the major highlights of Mack’s request, that he references throughout, is the Israeli government’s success in its relations with “regimes that are responsible for mass murder (e.g., South Sudan and the Philippines), regimes that are infected with anti- Semitism (e.g., Hungary, Poland and Ukraine), regimes that use rape as a weapon of war (e.g., Burma), and corrupt regimes (e.g., Guatemala and Honduras).”

In an interview with Mondoweiss, Mack spoke about his motivations behind filing such a request, the significance of Israel’s possible interference in UK politics, and the Netanyahu government’s failure to challenge real threats of anti-Semitism in Europe and around the world.

What was your motivation for filing this request for information?

Mack: I’ve been working over the past few years fighting the Israeli arms export relationship with regimes that commit crimes against humanity and war crimes. Especially in the last year, the state of Israel has been strengthening its relationship with non-democratic, dictator regimes across the world. A reason for this practice is Israel is using its arms trade to buy votes in international forums against the Palestinian people.

Israel is strengthening its relationship in eastern Europe, with countries like Hungary, Poland, Ukraine, where they have huge problems with anti-Semitism. On the other hand, you see the Israeli government making their political struggle with Jeremy Corbyn a main issue.

What are the implications for such a policy?

Mack: I’m following this pattern and very worried about it. I think it’s really dangerous because when Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban visited Israel, he did a press event with Netanyahu and President Rivlin. One of his comments was that the anti-semitism in Hungary is getting smaller, but we know what’s happening in Hungary with the Orban government and in Ukraine, where Israel supplies arms. There are neo-nazi militias that are part of the government’s regular security forces, and this is very concerning.

Instead of fighting anti-Semitism in eastern Europe or right-wing populist parties throughout Europe that are popular among anti-Semites, neo-nazis, anti-immigration activists, and Islamophobes, Israel is choosing to fight this so-called “new anti-semitism,” which is simply just a criticism against the Israeli government and its policies, it is not anti-Jewish.

I am very worried about it. In Israel, you see daily articles about Jeremy Corbyn and his alleged anti-Semitism or his alleged support for it . This is not only hypocrisy, it is also a very dangerous game the Netanyahu government is playing.

Have you filed such requests to the government in the past? Did anything positive come out of them?

Mack: I filed many freedom of information requests concerning Israel’s relationship with dictatorships in the past, such as the weapons deals with the military juntas of Latin America in the 70s and 80s, in which Israel would exchange support and PR services for the regimes.

So in the past, I have filed information requests to expose this kind of business that Israel has conducted. But in the present, in an ongoing case, this is the first time I’ve done it.

The story of Jeremy Corbyn is very rare, in that the Israeli government is involved in making public statements or being involved in Western European governments.

Why is Israel so invested in the case of Jeremy Corbyn?

Mack: This is the head of a very important political party in a very important country. He is pro-Palestine and pro-human rights, and the Netanyahu government sees Corbyn as a big obstacle in implementing its policy around the world.

In the past few years, Israel has felt very good with the climate of anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiments in Western Europe.

The main obstacle at the moment for the Israeli government to continue further with its goal of taking the Palestinian issue off the table, is Jeremy Corbyn. Since Jeremy Corbyn managed to achieve the leadership role of a mainstream party in the UK, this could happen in other places, and Israel is scared of that.

Israel’s delegitimization campaign against Corbyn for his pro-Palestine stance is not subjective to him, correct?

Mack: Yes, what is happening to Corbyn is what we see happening daily to BDS activists around the world. They are being harassed and silenced by the Israeli government and its representatives and supporters, claiming that their activities are anti-Semitic.

One of the results of one of my freedom for information requests that I filed in the last year is that we managed to get admission from the Israeli Ministry of Justice that they had been paying thousands of shekels to international law firms to criminalize BDS activists in Europe.

So now in the case of Jeremy Corbyn, he has a lot of support. But this same tactic of delegitimization by claiming anti-Semitism has happened to activists that are not the head of political parties and that don’t have that economic and political support.

So why is it so important to highlight the case of Jeremy Corbyn?

Mack: This case is a fight for freedom of speech. It is also a fight to keep alive the battle for Palestinian human rights and their struggle for getting independence from the Israeli occupation.

Do you personally believe the Israeli government is actively involved in a targeted campaign against Corbyn?

Mack: I cannot say for sure, we have to wait for the answer we get. But what I can say is that already, the level of involvement of the Israeli government in the UK is very rare. The fact that Netanyahu is denouncing Corbyn in his Twitter account, that the Minister of Strategic Affairs, Gilad Erdan — the one who is responsible for fighting BDS — went to London and did interviews in the Guardian criticising Corbyn, it is very rare.

Usually Israel is careful not to publicly interfere in other countries issues because it doesn’t want other countries to interfere with its issues. I wouldn’t be surprised if we find more evidence for Israeli involvement in the delegitimization campaign against Corbyn.

It is crazy because the Israeli government is not saying one bad word, for example, against the Burmese government — to which it supplies arms — for its crimes against humanity.

But on the other hand, they criticise Corbyn and the Labour party. In the time of Trump it seems not unusual that Netanyahu would criticize Corbyn on his Twitter, but if you look at Israeli policy for the past decades, it’s rare. The only leaders that Israel regularly criticises publicly are Palestinian leaders.

Is there anything that you feel is important to add, that readers should know?

Mack: I think that the Netanyahu government has taken the memory of the Holocaust and the definition of anti-Semitism to a new, dangerous level.

They are not ready to deal with what they call the old anti-Semitism, the people that are neo-Nazis, or their supporters in power. But they are putting all their efforts into fighting any criticism of Israel instead.

Israel is claiming that Corbyn and the Labour party are putting British Jews at risk. But the bottom line is that the Netanyahu government itself is actually enlarging the risk for the Jewish people around the world, because they are not dealing with the real problem, just the artificial problem. They are not concerned with real anti-Semitism, they only want to fulfill their political agenda of taking the issue of the Palestinian people off the world stage.

Read the Freedom of Information Request to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Strategic Affairs:

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  1. CHUCKMAN
    CHUCKMAN
    August 24, 2018, 2:15 pm

    The anti-Corbyn campaign in Britain is becoming frightening in its endurance and intensity.

    New waves of accusations keep coming, and the press, especially The Guardian, often mistakenly thought of as progressive or liberal, leads the mob.

    The situation at The Guardian becomes worse each passing day. They must have a special “get Corbyn” squad at work full-time.

    Today, there’s a big story about a video of Corbyn from about five years. His brief quote from the video is labelled by opponents (and of course dutifully quoted by Guardian) as “inexcusable” and “clearly antisemitic.”

    But there is nothing at all anti-Semitic in saying someone “lacks a sense of English irony,” whether that person is Jewish or not. To call Corbyn’s harmless words “inexcusable” is so over-the-top, it is laughable, bitterly laughable.

    Corbyn was referring to some particular Zionists at a meeting in 2013, part of a group that included both Jews and non-Jews.

    So, today’s name-calling accusers, on top of everything else, have taken Corbyn’s harmless words out of context.

    Much as they did with a 2014 photo produced some days ago and presented falsely as Corbyn laying a wreath at the grave of some Munich Olympics terrorists in Tunisia.

    The vicious Netanyahu even chimed in from Israel on that one. Talk about Putin interfering in elections. Moreover, Netanyahu didn’t even know what he was talking about.

    The wreath had absolutely nothing to do with Olympic terrorists. It was at the graves of some innocent people killed by Israeli bombing in Tunisia in 1985.

    The cemetery is said also to contain the graves of some “accused” of having been involved in the Munich attack, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the event in which Corbyn was involved.

    I truly think the whole ugly campaign has moved past the Senator Joseph McCarthy tone it had for so long and into a kind of “the Stasi accuses” mode.

    Note to readers: I have done a search on the topic on one of my Internet sites and here is the link for the results. I have made many comments on this reprehensible matter:

    https://chuckmanwordsincomments.wordpress.com/?s=corbyn+anti-semitism

      • annie
        annie
        August 25, 2018, 4:13 am

        with mass murderer of Jews

        oh gag me with a spoon. talk about mass murder? how many british politician have had tea with israeli mass murders? deaths from hamas pale in comparison to israel’s slaughters in gaza alone. just stop jack.

      • John O
        John O
        August 25, 2018, 8:27 am

        Margaret Thatcher shook Begin’s hand.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        August 25, 2018, 10:13 am

        @Jackdaw

        Here’s a REAL example of cozying up to a “mass murderer.”

        After WWII, a memorandum dated January 11, 1941, was discovered in Ankara. Prepared by the German Naval Attaché in Turkey, it revealed that Naftali Lubentschik, a representative of the Stern Gang (one of the Yishuv’s terrorist orgnaizations) led by Avraham Stern, had met with German Nazis, Otto Von Hentig and Rudolph Rosen in Vichy controlled Beirut and proposed that in exchange for military aid and freedom to recruit European Jews for Palestine, the Sternists were prepared “…to take an active part in the war on Germany’s side…and [this cooperation] would also be in line with one [of Hitler’s recent speeches which] stressed that any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it.”

        The proposition presented to the Nazis pointed out that “the establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.” (Quoted by Klaus Polkehn, “The Secret Contacts: Zionist-Nazi Relations, 1933-1941” as well as Lenny Brenner, Zionism in the Age of Dictators, Westport, Conn., Lawrence Hill & Co., 1983, p. 267 and Yediot Aharnot, February 4/1983). Fortunately, the Nazis rejected the Sternist proposal.

        Following Stern’s death at the hands of the British in 1942, three of his lieutenants (one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir) took over leadership of the Gang. It is revealing to note that despite Avraham Stern’s ignominious record and his flirtation with the Nazis, Ben-Gurion later referred to him as “one of the finest and most outstanding figures of the era.”

        BTW:
        “Adolf Hitler, who took his racism seriously, applied it to all Semites. He could not stand Arabs either. Contrary to legend, he disliked the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who had fled to Germany. After meeting him once for a photo-opportunity arranged by the Nazi propaganda machine, he never agreed to meet him again.” (Uri Avnery – http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1424446157)

      • dionissis_mitropoulos
        dionissis_mitropoulos
        August 25, 2018, 10:48 am

        Hi Jackdaw i left a response for you, but accidentally it was posted at the end of the thread.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        August 25, 2018, 11:04 am

        I love how you hold Palestinians to higher standard than you hold all other nations jackduh.

        No one would have every met or talked with any GoI official past or present if that was the yardstick. Particularly as it was a nation carved out through mass murder, expulsion and terrorism.

        And in fairness no country would likely even talk to itself given our histories.

        Hamas is no worse than Israel or the gangs that carved it out like Irgun, Lehi, Stern and Haganah. Yes even the Haganah has a sordid history.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        August 25, 2018, 12:55 pm

        @jackdaw

        BTW, just a reminder:

        On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine as per 1949 armistice agreements] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.” The entity known as “Israel” ignored the offer.

        http://www.haaretz.com/isra…
        “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories. ” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010) No response from “Israel.”

        In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, “Israel” promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

        https://www.haaretz.com/isr…
        “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’” By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz. No response from “Israel.”

        As for Netanyahu and the Likud party, here’s a brief summation of their positions that are contrary to international law and explain why the conflict continues:
        The Likud Party Platform:
        a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
        b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
        c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
        d. “…. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 25, 2018, 3:40 pm

      Back in the pre-internet days I was a regular buyer of The Guardian. It genuinely saddens me to see how far it has fallen into the cesspitt, but what do you really expect with the odious Jonathan Freedland in a senior role?

      But the latest installment in the ‘row’ shows us how utterly desperate they are. Anyone who has ever attended a pro-Palestinian event will be familiar with Zionist saboteurs of the type Corbyn – rather mildly – rebuked. The notion that all the special snowflakes are suddenly so desperately ‘offended’, fully 5 years after the ‘event’, is utterly absurd and The Guardian and the rest who are desperately peddling this line ought to be ashamed of themselves. But they won’t.

  2. James North
    James North
    August 24, 2018, 2:28 pm

    Eitay Mack is a moral giant.

    • captADKer
      captADKer
      August 25, 2018, 8:25 am

      an impotent midget morally corrupted by seditious notoriety by my take

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 25, 2018, 1:40 pm

        “an impotent midget morally corrupted by seditious notoriety by my take”

        You don’t say? It’s good Mondo is here, so you can let us know that. Why, it’s the last thing I expected you to say.

      • Boomer
        Boomer
        August 27, 2018, 9:48 am

        re: “It’s good Mondo is here”

        Yes, that’s true.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    JLewisDickerson
    August 24, 2018, 4:26 pm

    RE: “I think that the Netanyahu government has taken the memory of the Holocaust and the definition of anti-Semitism to a new, dangerous level. They are not ready to deal with what they call the old anti-Semitism, the people that are neo-Nazis, or their supporters in power. But they are putting all their efforts into fighting any criticism of Israel instead.” ~ Israeli Advocate Eitay Mack

    ■ VIDEO: Benjamin Netanyahu Is Fine With Anti-Semites — as Long as They Support Israel’s Occupation

    The Intercept
    Published on Aug 23, 2018
    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu likes to accuse critics of Israel of being anti-Semites. But how does he explain his own glaring ties to anti-Semitic world leaders and Evangelical preachers, not to mention his defense of Adolf Hitler and his son’s attack on George Soros? Does defending Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands make you immune from the charge of anti-Jewish hatred?

    In this video, Mehdi Hasan asks whether the prime minister of Israel is part of the solution to rising anti-Semitism — or part of the problem.

  4. inbound39
    inbound39
    August 24, 2018, 7:21 pm

    If you look at the big picture and the Al Jazeera report you arrive at one conclusion. Netanyahu and his Government are attempting to control the various important Governments of the World so Israel can continue doing as it pleases funded and protected by these governments so Israel itself does not have to fight battles and Israeli’s sit unharmed and protected in Israel while American, British,French,Australian,German troops et al fight the battles and their troops die…they are simply goyim and expendable.

    Al Jazeera investigation exposed Friends of Israel and Jewish Labour Movement were directly linked to and funded by Israel Government. They were found to be undermining and targetting Government members found to be anti Israel.

    Corbyn is , therefore, a target they would seek and both the above-mentioned Jewish groups are involved in the attack on Corbyn. Corbyn is Pro Palestine and he has said publically he would recognise the Palestinian State if he was voted in as P.M. Netanyahu recognises the power of the British Government and has successfully at the moment rendered it incapable of mounting a concerted effort to oppose Israeli policies and actions. Corbyn is a serious threat and so becomes more vehemently pursued. It is obvious.

    Israeli’s are always causing problems around the World…assassinations and meddling in Foreign Governments. A few weeks ago here in NZ three Israeli settlers were caught bringing in a huge quantity of ectasy in suitcases. They were so relaxed and unperturbed about it and arrogant. They also said because they were Israeli nothing would happen. All three were jailed for eight years and will be deported on completion of their sentence and banned from NZ for life.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      August 25, 2018, 3:51 pm

      “Al Jazeera investigation exposed Friends of Israel and Jewish Labour Movement were directly linked to and funded by Israel Government. They were found to be undermining and targetting Government members found to be anti Israel.”

      Not even ‘anti-Israel’ in the sense of being anti-Zionist and supporting the armed Palestinian resistance. Take Sir Alan Duncan, one of the MPs plotted against in the video. All he’s ever done is demand that international law be applied in the case of Israel, just as anywhere else. Or when William Hague – who joined the Tory Friends of Israel as a teen – criticised Israel’s latest Lebanese massacre as being merely ‘disproportionate’ – even that was too much and he was forced to back down.

      So imagine the fear that a genuine, grass-roots supporter of justice for Palestinians like Corbyn would inspire in the lobby. And imagine what lengths they would go to get rid of him.

      • inbound39
        inbound39
        August 25, 2018, 10:19 pm

        Corbyn worries the Israeli Zionist supporters greatly. As I stated above he has said he will recognise the Palestinian State when or if he becomes PM and he constantly speaks out about the plight of Palestinians under Israeli control. With Corbyn as PM, and he does have a very real chance of getting there, the Zionists know they have little chance of bleeding UK of money and support. Corbyn will hold them to account ans call for a Sovereign State of Palestine. The Zionists are in a frenzy trying every angle to break him.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 26, 2018, 2:03 pm

        If the bots lose the UK other countries will follow. Most ordinary people in Europe think Israel is brutal. And that Netanyahu is an asshole.

  5. CigarGod
    CigarGod
    August 25, 2018, 9:13 am

    It is a strategy with a high likelihood of success.
    The masses are well-conditioned to accept/participate in a win at any cost revolution.
    The people certainly have plenty examples of world leaders of that mindset to follow…and very very few like Corbyn to follow.
    Herd animals don’t care about social justice, they just follow the movement of the herd. They don’t reflect on the morality of those who crack the whip.
    I suppose a rabid herd of murderous baboons, are who we resemble most…or Zombies.

  6. dionissis_mitropoulos
    dionissis_mitropoulos
    August 25, 2018, 10:27 am

    Hi jackdaw, you said:

    “Corbyn take tea with mass murderer of Jews…..

    …and fawns over Islamic extremists.”

    Your implicit argument seems to be that governments shouldn’t be talking to extremists — the rest of what you said, about fawning, could be just Corbyn’s typical British politeness ( which i fear you sound like you just don’t get ); besides, Annie’s argument against your point is sterling: people have no problem drinking tea with hooligan ex Israeli Minister Tzipi Livni, or other extremists who pass for doves, like her (see post scriptum).

    But engaging Hamas in dialogue has been suggested down the years by top-level individuals at the Israeli defense establishment. Are they too antiSemitic, like allegedly Corbyn is, because they would engage Hamas if they could?

    Here is an ex Mossad Chief — i repeat, ex Mossad Chief– who said that Israel should be talking to Hamas:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-mossad-chief-on-thwarting-iran-netanyahu-should-be-speaking-to-putin-not-trump/?fb_comment_id=1536998486313449_1538505076162790#f3de5ca7f8309c

    “Israel’s former spymaster Efraim Halevy…

    “It is essential to talk to your enemy. You must do it, but we haven’t been,” he said. “We have to talk to Hamas. We must talk to [Hamas leader] Khaled Mashaal. Everybody’s talking to him.” (Halevy was brought out of retirement by Netanyahu to head the Mossad in 1998, having salavaged Israel’s ties with Jordan following a botched Mossad assassination attempt on Mashaal’s life in Amman the previous year.)

    Reflecting for a moment, Halevy added: “I don’t think we have to talk to Daesh. Daesh is something else.” (Daesh is the Arabic nickname for the Islamic State terrorist group.)

    “What do you have to lose from talking to people?”

    Halevy served in the Mossad for over 40 years.”

    Here is another British ex Prime Minister, suggesting dialogue with Hamas, Tony Blair. Was he an anti-Semite too?

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/blair-hamas-can-be-brought-around-on-israel/?fb_comment_id=991460340876633_991532510869416#f2e1b951e6b97b4

    “Former Quartet for Middle East peace envoy Tony Blair on Thursday said that dialogue with Hamas in the interest of unifying the Palestinian political leadership was “worth trying,” and maintained that the terror group’s [Hamas’] stance on Israel could be changed.

    “I don’t think you will find Palestinian politics strong enough to make peace, unless it is backed by the region as a whole,” said Blair.
    At the same time, Blair said Palestinian political unity was essential for any future accord, and suggested dialogue with Hamas was “worth trying.”
    “I know it’s possible to bring people into a different position,” he said.”

    Here is another top-level Israeli defense establishment figure telling us that Israel has common interests with Hamas and that Hamas should be talked to (April 2018):

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-general-i-dont-know-what-idf-could-do-if-300000-try-to-trample-gaza-fence/

    “Maj. Gen. (ret.) Giora Eiland, a former head of Israel’s National Security Council who served for 33 years in the IDF, including as head of its Strategic Planning Branch.

    I’ve been saying for years that we have a lot more in common with Hamas in the short-term. We have a policy that it’s a terrorist organization, that it must be boycotted, and that money can only go to Gaza via the Palestinian Authority. But that undermines our own agenda. We could, a long time ago, have accepted Hamas as the de facto government of Gaza and if we wanted to avoid a humanitarian disaster there, to have worked with them.”

    And here is an Israeli General in rightwing Israel Hayom who suggests that Hamas should be better seen as part of any future solution (Sep 2016). Is he an anti-Semite like Corbyn allegedly is?

    http://www.israelhayom.com/2017/07/20/idf-officer-slammed-for-calling-israel-occupation-champion/

    “At a strategic level, we must see Hamas as part of the solution, despite the fact that right now, it is part of the problem. We need to strive for this. We must put pressure on Gaza and do everything we can to ensure that there is no humanitarian crisis, and that’s it. Otherwise, there is no chance for change.”

    Either the Israeli defense establishment is full of anti-Semites , or some of the arguments for the alleged anti-Semitism of Corbyn are just verbal pyrotechnics, deriving their seemingly intuitive legitimacy from the past deliberate demonization of Hamas that has been perpetrated by all the Western media at the tacit behest of pro-Israel activism (Hamas demonization was the point of contact between two-staters and Greater Israel supporters, it was the place where the Tom Friedmans ideologically met Sheldon Adelsons and Daniel Pipes’).

    P.S. Here is ex Minister Tzipi Livni sort of celebrating the IDF’s hooliganism, which she demanded:

    https://www.hrw.org/report/2010/05/13/i-lost-everything/israels-unlawful-destruction-property-during-operation-cast-lead

    “Livni said on January 19, 2009, the day after the conflict ended, that “Israel demonstrated real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation, which I demanded.”

    If she is a dove (as the two-stater media market her), she’s an extremist dove. And, still, people have tea with her. So I don’t see the problem with Corbyn’s having tea with Hamas leaders. At least the Hamas leaders ( whatever their misdeeds) have the excuse that they are fighting for their people. Livni is fighting for that sacred place under the publicity light.

  7. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    August 25, 2018, 2:17 pm

    I am of Jewish background. And yes…I most certainly am ANTI ZIONIST. What Zionists have been doing to Palestinians is totally inexcusable to anyone with a bit of moral standing, regardless of faith. The persecuted turning into vicious persecutors. For shame.

    • Rob Roy
      Rob Roy
      August 26, 2018, 9:58 am

      “I and the public know
      What all schoolchildren learn:
      Those to whom evil is done
      Do evil in return.” [Auden wrote]

  8. dionissis_mitropoulos
    dionissis_mitropoulos
    August 25, 2018, 6:36 pm

    In this great interview Mr Eitay Mack said:

    “In the past few years, Israel has felt very good with the climate of anti-immigration and anti-Islamic sentiments in Western Europe.”

    This is very true. Perhaps the person who most vividly instantiated this Israeli attitude is Daniel Pipes in an article in the rightwing Israel Hayom. I quote myself from a relevant comment I had made in Consortium News but if you find the time it is good to read the whole article from the Israel Hayom link. Here is me (I am posting part of my comment because it includes some more interesting links corroborating the point about Israel’s feeling great with the anti-Islam sentiment in Europe):

    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/29/ahed-tamimi-and-her-mother-are-freed-from-jail/

    “But I would like to play devil’s advocate now, and post prima facie evidence in favour of the claim that some significant portion of Israelis do indeed evince viciousness to other collectives, and a close variant of it, Schadenfreude. Here is a newspaper article written by Daniel Pipes in October 2016, in Israel Hayom, Israel’s most widely circulating newspaper:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/islamist-violence-will-steer-europes-destiny/

    In his article, Pipes deemed “patriotic” the Far Right’s rejection of Muslim immigration, he stressed the alleged danger that Muslim immigrants pose to “western civilization”, and he elliptically expressed the hope for the occurrence of Muslim terrorist “high-profile mass-murders(such as in France since January 2015)” so that the European public will vote for populist anti-Islam political parties. In other words, Daniel Pipes hoped that I, or some other Europeans, be killed by a Muslim extremist in an act of terrorism, for the sake of the alleged well being of western civilization.

    Now, Daniel Pipes’ true motivation for hoping for terrorism in Europe is his concern about the well being of Israel. How do I know? Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak had said that there are some in Israel who do hope for terrorism in Europe so that the international community’s attention be diverted from the Israeli occupation. I quote Barak:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/barak-lashes-netanyahu-government-decries-seeds-of-fascism/

    “Israel plans to continue controlling the area that was conquered, liberated in 1967 forever… Israel is waiting for the world to adapt to and accept this reality [of Israel’s continued control of the 1967 conquered areas], and is hoping that tough incidents — like terror attacks in Europe … — will divert … [the world’s] attention [from the situation in Israel]”

    Daniel Pipes surely does sound like belonging to this class of people to which Barak is drawing our attention, namely the class of those who see Israel’s well being as augmented by Islamic terrorism in Europe. But leaving aside Pipes’ true motivation, I want to ask you, Ms Berna, if you would classify Pipes’ attitude as vicious. If yes, as it is very plausible , what does this say for the attitude of a significant portion of the Israeli people? Remember, Pipes’ article wasn’t published in an obscure rag, but in Israel’s most widely circulating newspaper Israel hayom:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/07/31/israel-hayom-is-the-leading-paper-in-israel-media-survey-finds/

    If Pipes’ article is deemed fit for publication, it means that the Israeli people at least won’t be bothered by someone’s expressing hope that Europeans be mass murdered by Islamic terrorism. And we should keep in mind that Pipes is a respected scholar in Israel: as Ron Dermer, Israel’s envoy to the US and former senior adviser to current Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, has said, Daniel Pipes is “one of the great scholars of the Middle East…”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/defending-anti-muslim-group-envoy-to-us-slams-racism-watchdog/?fb_comment_id=1348710521828833_1375374472495771#f1407e05629c2f

    Then again, we don’t need to deduce the Israeli public’s attitude from the tolerance towards Pipes’ monstrous attitude. We can infer it from the words of Eldad Beck, “a prominent Israeli journalist and author[who] was Middle East affairs correspondent of IDF [Israel Defence Forces] Radio and the newspaper “Hadashot,” as well as the Paris-based correspondent of IDF Radio, the Jerusalem Report, the Jerusalem Post, and Israel’s Channel 2. “

    http://www.aish.com/authors/435348693.html

    So he is a mainstream commentator. And here is what he had to say in Israel’s most widely circulating newspaper about the Israeli attitude to Europeans and the terrorism they might face:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/dont-eulogize-the-eu-just-yet/

    “The refugee crisis, Islamist terrorism, the rise of the populist Right, Brexit … have many Israelis looking forward to what they believe will be the dissolution of the European Union.

    There is a certain sense of gloating at the predicament of the Europeans, who now that the Middle Eastern conflict has spread throughout the world, are “finally” getting a taste of what the Israeli public has dealt with for decades: security threats that have become routine, …”

    The above was part of my comment at Consortium News. Corbyn is deemed an anti-Semite partly because he associated with Hamas. Now how should a significant portion of the Israeli people be deemed, given their callous sentiments towards terrorism in Europe?

    Anyway, the fact that Israel welcomes terrorism in Europe, and the consequent anti-Islam sentiment, can also be inferred from the fact that Israel likes to pose as the West’s spearhead against “radical Islam”. I quote from the Times of Israel:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-right-afd-loves-the-jewish-state/

    “Israel’s tough stance toward terror and self-styled position as a forward bulwark against Islamic extremism.”

    Israel’s self-styled position as the defender of the West against “Islamic extremism” requires that there be terror incidents for Israel to defend us from. As a result, Israel naturally will rejoice when these occur.

    Here is Netanyahu expressing Israel’s wish to pose as the defender of Europe against “radical Islam”:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/2017/07/20/pm-israel-is-europes-partner-in-war-against-radical-islam/

    “The world already understands that Israel is not the enemy, but rather a partner in the war against the evils of radical Islam. It is time Europe understands that as well. We are not just protecting ourselves — we are protecting you,” Netanyahu said.

    Netanyahu said Israel is fighting terrorism…All over the world …nations understand … that radical Islam seeks to overrun [the West], and they ask, what is the only country that remains safe, true to its values, and prospering? Israel. We are prepared to work with our friends in Europe in our effort in the war against terrorism and in our successful effort to have our state, our democracy, and, at the same time, afford security to our citizens. I think that Europe is very interested in this.”

    Islamophobic provocateur Alain Finkelkraut has made the motivation behind Netanyahu’s rhetoric very explicit:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/controversial-jewish-analyst-alain-finkielkraut-is-worried-for-frances-future/

    ““France is subject to two separate but related and simultaneous threats, both of which are on the rise,” he claims. “One is Judeophobia and the other is Francophobia. In the face of this danger, Jews and other French citizens are in the same boat.”He’s referring to the hostility of many Muslim immigrants to both Jews and French civilization in their new country.”

    In other words, the whole issue is how Israel can agitate the Europeans against their Muslim populations. The obvious ulterior Israeli aim is for Europeans to forget about the Israeli occupation and cut Israel as much slack Israel wants.

    And just in case you thought that this deliberate positioning of Israel as being in the same boat with Europe against some version of “radical Islam” is just a rightwing hawkish thing, here is the “moderate” David Harris, the CEO of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) reiterating exactly the same position, in 2015:

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/after-copenhagen-what-next-for-europe/

    “ it is important to understand that the jihadist barbarism which Europe is experiencing first-hand is not much different from what Israel has been facing for decades. Why, then, does Europe continue to try drawing a distinction, when, in reality, none exists? The same jihadists who hate Europe detest Israel, and the same jihadists who wish for Israel’s annihilation aspire to no less for Europe as we know it.

    In other words, let’s exculpate the occupation and blame it on the Muslims, and agitate the Europeans in the process. David Harris meets Finkelkraut meets Netanyahu meets Daniel Pipes. They sound so similar.

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      August 27, 2018, 1:30 pm

      I can’t believe you sat and wrote all this shit.

      What a tool.

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 27, 2018, 3:39 pm

        “I can’t believe you sat and wrote all this shit.” jackduh

        You might want to check your archives.

      • dionissis_mitropoulos
        dionissis_mitropoulos
        August 27, 2018, 4:03 pm

        Ladies and gentlemen,

        I proved a couple of weeks back that commenter Jackdaw is either totally uninformed or deliberately misinforming the audience of Mondoweiss. I did so with my 2 replies in his comments at this post:

        https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/pregnant-palestinian-daughter/

        Now, commenter Jackdaw did not even bother to acknowledge that he indeed had expressed in that post egregious falsehoods. And did not try to offer even the semblance of an explanation why he got the facts so utterly wrong, as I proved. If I had been in his shoes I would have gone out of my way to try to explain to the audience why I had erred so much. So much for his respect for the audience.

        Note also that in that past post I prefaced both of my replies with an amicable “hi Jackdaw”, a clear indication that I was interested in serious discussion and that I did not intend to engage in ad hominems, rude discussion, or even cheap swipes at his credibility – I could have done the latter easily, commenter Jackdaw’s first reply was claiming that Israel was trying for a ceasefire while the link that I posted from Israel’s most read newspaper was disproving his claim word by word, casting Israel as avoiding a ceasefire that Hamas was desperately seeking. So much for his (lack of) propensity to appreciate a beau geste when he encounters it

        So now commenter Jackdaw calls my present post “shitty” and calls me a “tool” (I had to check what it means in the slang dictionary).The present post of mine to which commenter Jackdaw replied includes a link where a scholar who is respected in Israel expresses his wish in Israel’s most read newspaper that many Europeans die in terrorist attacks, and the newspaper (Israel Hayom) publishes it as if the scholar said nothing improper. This is a link that should make normal Jews start wondering at what murderous depths the Israeli psyche is in danger of sinking (if it has not already sunk). But, no, commenter Jackdaw takes no notice of the substance of my comment and responds with an ad hominem and the cocky rudeness that is characteristic of Israel advocates on the internet – by the way, this rudeness is usually alternated with a mawkish self-righteousness in the aforementioned commenters. So much for his intellectual depth.

        Well, I can’t stand rude people, so why am I still talking about him?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 27, 2018, 4:49 pm

        “What a tool.”

        Don’t worry, “Jackdaw”, when it comes to letting people know the most about Zionists in the fewest words, you are pretty much outstanding in your field.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        August 28, 2018, 2:42 am

        Not reading this post either.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        August 28, 2018, 6:01 am

        “I proved a couple of weeks back …”

        Actually, confirmation of what we already thought, but kudos nonetheless.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 28, 2018, 11:19 am

        There isn’t one decent Zionist commenter on this site. None has any respect for human rights. They all post various shades of nonsense.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 11:45 am

        “Not reading this post either.” “Jackdaw”

        Ouch! You sure showed us!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 11:49 am

        “None has any respect for human rights.”

        “Respect for human rights”? Shit, I’d be overjoyed to find one which displayed even a modicum of self-respect.

  9. just
    just
    August 26, 2018, 9:12 am

    “Jewish Labour MPs to Get Bodyguards at Party Conference, Report Says …

    Jewish members of Britain’s Labour Party who have suffered abuse from party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s “hardline supporters” will be offered bodyguards at an upcoming party conference, the Daily Mail reported Sunday.

    According to the report, the Jewish Labour Movement discussed providing security for Jewish MPs Dame Margaret Hodge, Luciana Berger and Ruth Smeeth, all three of whom have been the target of anti-Semitic abuse.

    Berger made headlines recently for criticizing Corbyn after video footage emerged of him saying that British “Zionists” are unable to understand British culture despite living in the U.K. all of their lives.

    Berger said that she feels “unwelcome” in her own party after Corbyn’s “unexcusable comments.” The video was recorded in 2013 and was featured on Hamas’ English language website.

    The conference will take place from in Liverpool from September 23 until 26. “The CST are reporting back with a full assessment of the security requirements. There is a real concern about safety,” the report quoted a source as saying.

    “This conference will be particularly tense as much of the worst anti-Semitic trolling on the internet has been traced back to hotspots in Merseyside [near Liverpool],” the source added. …

    Earlier this week it emerged that Corbyn’s longtime secretary had urged Labor supporters to oppose candidates who appeared in the Jewish media. In a pamphlet published by the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign in 2010, Nicolette Petersen recommended that Labour supporters “read the Jewish Chronicle online and look at websites that will show you who not to vote for,” asserting that it was better to divert support from Labour than to support anyone considering himself a “friend of Israel,” according to The Sun on Monday.

    Last month, Britain’s three Jewish newspapers, including the Chronicle, united in publishing a front-page editorial warning of the “existential” threat to British Jewry that a government led by Jeremy Corbyn would pose.

    “We do so because the party that was, until recently, the natural home for our community has seen its values and integrity eroded by Corbynite contempt for Jews and Israel,” the editorials said, referring to the Labour Party. “The stain and shame of anti-Semitism has coursed through Her Majesty’s Opposition since Jeremy Corbyn became leader in 2015.””

    https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/jewish-labour-mps-to-get-bodyguards-at-party-conference-report-says-1.6413678

    It’s a manufactured ‘crisis’ and a vicious witch- hunt, imho. I am very interested in the results/answers that Mr. Eitay Mack is seeking. Many thanks to him for pursuing this. We know how Israel blatantly interfered in US politics/elections. If you missed it or have any doubt, listen/read this:

    “Noam Chomsky Slams Israeli Interference in U.S. Politics as Far Greater Than Russian

    In an interview on Democracy Now, the renowned linguist said that Russian interference in the U.S. elections was minor in comparison to open Israeli interference

    … Chomsky said: “First of all, if you’re interested in foreign interference in our elections, whatever the Russians may have done barely counts or weighs in the balance as compared with what another state does, openly, brazenly and with enormous support.”

    “Israeli intervention in U.S. elections vastly overwhelms anything the Russians may have done,” Chomsky said. “I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president, and speaks to Congress, with overwhelming applause, to try to undermine the president’s policies—what happened with Obama and Netanyahu in 2015. Did Putin come to give an address to the joint sessions of Congress trying to—calling on them to reverse U.S. policy, without even informing the president?”

    “And that’s just a tiny bit of this overwhelming influence.”…”

    video @ https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/chomsky-criticizes-israeli-interference-in-u-s-elections-1.6407407

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      August 28, 2018, 10:53 am

      ““I mean, even to the point where the prime minister of Israel, Netanyahu, goes directly to Congress, without even informing the president,”

      Yes, Netanyahu did, at the personal invitation of the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader of the Senate.

      “On January 8, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell reached out to Ron Dermer, Israel’s Ambassador to the US (and a former Republican operative), to discuss having Netanyahu speak in Congress. The Israelis and Republicans worked out the details of the event without notifying the White House, to “make sure,” in Boehner’s words, “that there was no interference” from the administration.”

      If the Mexican President came to speak before the Congress at the behest of Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, would anyone at the website care that President Trump wasn’t notified.

      Nothing lower than a hypocrite, in my book anyway. Right, Noam?

  10. Amar
    Amar
    August 26, 2018, 11:20 pm

    Its almost like Netanyahu and the Israeli govt are trying to give credence to the Protocols myth.

    • DaBakr
      DaBakr
      August 28, 2018, 2:45 am

      @am

      Yup. You hit the nail on the head. It’s always been about the protocols of the elders. Thank you for your deeply intelligent insight.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 11:57 am

        ” It’s always been about the protocols of the elders”

        Respect for age and its traditions has always played a predominant role in Judaism.

  11. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 27, 2018, 1:11 pm

    “Jewish members of Britain’s Labour Party who have suffered abuse from party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s “hardline supporters” will be offered bodyguards at an upcoming party conference, the Daily Mail reported Sunday”

    NB The Daily Slimail is highly selective when it comes to the standard quality journalism application of the words “alleged” or “allegedly”.

    Poor diddums. Verbal criticism can be absolutely terrifying and no doubt these poor vulnerable inexperienced (sic) MP`s would not have chosen a Parliamentary career if they had known that people especially people within their own party would openly disagree with them and question their adulation of a criminal foreign regime. It`s one thing for Goy MPs to be subject to abuse (aka criticism) but quite another thing for Jewish MPs to be abused aka criticised or contradicted what with the Holocaust etc etc etc

    BTW Who exactly is offering bodyguards , who will be footing the bill and how exactly can a bodyguard protect a Parliamentarian from verbal criticism. Will they just stare back and or wag their fleshy fingers?

    • catalan
      catalan
      August 27, 2018, 3:22 pm

      Ossinev,
      I am going to venture a guess that you are not actually of English extraction. None of the characteristic succinctness, understatement, or careful irony. Instead, a lot of verbiage – sounds like Russian or the republics.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 11:52 am

        You can take the boy out of Bulgaria, but the bulgarity is there to stay.

      • catalan
        catalan
        August 28, 2018, 12:31 pm

        “You can take the boy out of Bulgaria, but the bulgarity is there to stay.”
        True. My son was born here and is a much better person thay I ever will be. It’s the one good thing I accomplished. Europe is no place for a Jewish kid.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 1:43 pm

        Good luck to him, and remember, don’t let him grow up to be a Knight.

      • catalan
        catalan
        August 28, 2018, 3:49 pm

        “Good luck to him, and remember, don’t let him grow up to be a Knight”
        I do worry about evil in the world. Reading your posts is very sobering. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be that way.

  12. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    August 27, 2018, 4:53 pm

    Ossinev from what I read elsewhere, it’s the JLM offering bodyguards. After having their ‘antisemitism’ awareness courses censored they decided to withdraw from that activity so needed a new one.

  13. Jackdaw
    Jackdaw
    August 28, 2018, 10:29 am

    On July 29 it emerged that Corbyn, in 2012, pedaled a conspiracy theory about what he implied was an Israeli false-flag operation in the Sinai Peninsula against the Egyptian army.

    During the interview with the Iranian channel Press TV on August 12, 2012, Corbyn was asked about his thoughts on the August 5 attack by Islamic jihadists in the Sinai peninsula on an Egyptian army base, in which 16 Egyptian soldiers were killed.

    Without any prompting, Corbyn said that Israel would have an interest in increased violence in the Sinai and the destabilization of the region.

    “I’m very concerned about it [the violence], and you have to look at the big picture. In whose interests is it to destabilize the new government in Egypt; in whose interests is it to kill Egyptians other than Israel?” Corbyn opined.

    Obviously Corbyn’s obsessive hatred of Israel goes way beyond her treatment of Palestinians.

    Corbyn is just another Jew hater, plain and simple.

    No pasaran!

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      August 28, 2018, 11:20 am

      Jackdaw- I disagree. Corbyn is not just another Jew hater. Corbyn is an Israel basher. He would fit right in here in the comments section of mw. His knee jerk response in the case you cite is typical of irresponsible street corner blather that is entirely unfitting for a prime minister, but certainly fine on the street corners of New York and assumedly London. That such rhetoric doesn’t bother mw commentators is no surprise.

      (I haven’t been studying this all too hard and in fact the mural that met his initial approval depicting one of the capitalists imposing on the backs of the working man to have a hooked nose and a beard certainly fits into the category of antiJewish.) But his opposition to Zionism is not necessarily anti Jewish, unless all antiZionism is anti Jewish. But it is adolescent, irresponsible and fits right into the reigning sentiments of this here corner of adolescent and irresponsible conspiracy theories. He is not fit to lead a country of high standing. But given the low standards that the American electorate (with the acquiescence of many here in the mw comments section) saw fit to impose as the leader of America, maybe there are no longer any standards and street corner rabble rousers are maybe no worse, in principle, than a dreck like Trump. But for anyone who wishes support for Israel to continue or even for rationalism and level headedness to be present in the leaders of the free world, opposition to this street corner fool comes rather naturally.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 12:04 pm

        “Yonah” judges, and finds everything wanting.

        “and street corner rabble rousers”

        Yes, you were just bragging about doing that the other day. Good memories, huh?

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 28, 2018, 12:42 pm

        “(I haven’t been studying this all too hard and in fact the mural that met his initial approval depicting one of the capitalists imposing on the backs of the working man to have a hooked nose and a beard certainly fits into the category of antiJewish.) ” wandering aka Yonah Fredman (of the mayonaise dy-nasty).

        Give it a rest Yonah.

        We never heard a word from the LFI (labour friends of Israel) about Jeremy Corbyn,s alledged Antisemitism until he became Leader of the LP and stated he would declare Palestine a State.

        Then Margaret Hodge and Ruth Sneeth and the other Israel firsters under orders from nuttyahoo sprang into action to take down Corbyn.
        Remember , these guys have experience of this when they tried to take down a Tory Minister a couple of years ago . because he dared to speak up for the Rights of Palestinians. These traitors were caught red handed as shown in the Al Jazeera documentary.

        Not a peep from Hodge (The well known Tax dodger) for over 10 years while the Jew hater Corbyn walked around spewing antisemitic hatred toward Jews. Give us a break.

        All lies and proof of Israel,s desperation , at the thought of Palestine being declared a State by the UK subsequent to which many other nations will follow .

        This little pip squeak tin pot Apartheid rogue entity needs to stop poking it,s “Big toe”into the affairs of sovereign Nations.

        “His knee jerk response in the case you cite is typical of irresponsible street corner blather that is entirely unfitting for a prime minister, but certainly fine on the street corners of New York and assumedly London. ” WJ aka YF.

        I take it you have written to your political leaders demanding that the US Embassy in Jerusalem should be moved back to Tel Aviv on the grounds that Trump is a dreck and Israel is far too proud to accept favours from such a man.

        Your so full of puerile nonsense Yonah.You play the eternal victim role so well .

      • dionissis_mitropoulos
        dionissis_mitropoulos
        August 28, 2018, 12:44 pm

        Hi wondering Jew

        You said:

        “His [Corbyn’s] knee jerk response in the case you cite is typical of irresponsible street corner blather that is entirely unfitting for a prime minister, but certainly fine on the street corners of New York and assumedly London. That such rhetoric doesn’t bother mw [mondoweiss] commentators is no surprise.”

        I had made a comment at Consortium News where I was, among other things, disproving a knee jerk pro-Israel allegation by Hilary Clinton in 2014 that it was Hamas that initiated the 2014 war. I disproved her claim by quoting pro-Israel sources (the IDF included) that were directly denying Clinton’s pro-Israel claim:

        https://consortiumnews.com/2018/07/30/gaza-flotilla-ship-al-awda-violently-seized-by-israelis-uss-liberty-survivor-amongst-those-captured/

        (It’s the comment that starts with the words “PART 1”, it’s my first comment as you scroll downwards)

        So the tongue in cheek-ish response to your point that “mw commenters aren’t bothered” by Corbyn’s allegedly knee jerk anti-Israel allegedly false rhetoric could be that pro-Israel commenters too don’t seem bothered by knee jerk pro-Israel false rhetoric by public figures, such as Hilary Clinton, or Nikki Haley. But I think there is a problem here that cuts much deeper, and is related to the echo chamber that both Israel advocacy outlets and the Western media create, seriously misinforming the pro-Israel audience in favour of Israel. Regarding pro-Israel advocacy misinformation sources, CAMERA comes to mind, the Elder of Ziyon, etc.

        I wish I find the time to fact-check Ms Nikki’s widely publicized fairly recent speech about Hamas. Five out of five demonstrably false major claims is a real feat even for Ms Nikki.

      • Keith
        Keith
        August 28, 2018, 2:09 pm

        WONDERING JEW- “… the mural that met his initial approval depicting one of the capitalists imposing on the backs of the working man to have a hooked nose and a beard certainly fits into the category of antiJewish.”

        Nothing in the mural depicts hatred of Jews as Jews. The five capitalist financiers shown were depicted as oppressors of working people, which they were. These were actual historical figures, two of the five being Jewish.The drawings were caricatures, features normally exaggerated. So what? The artist cannot criticize financiers because 2 of the 5 are Jewish? That’s BS. And Corbyn was wrong to change his mind. Our present private debt based financial system stinks and needs to be replaced. Financialization is a disaster for the 99%, Soros and Singer financial pirates. And defending these guys from criticism just because they are Jews is morally reprehensible. Reality is what it is, deal with it.

      • amigo
        amigo
        August 28, 2018, 2:24 pm

        “Yes, you were just bragging about doing that the other day. Good memories, huh?” Mooser

        Other American kids were on the streets opposing the Vietnam War , but Yonah was busy defending his beloved Israel by attacking pro Palestine activists.

        Screw the nation of his birth .His loyalty was/is to Israel.

        The only positive side of YF aka WJ is his extraordinarily short memory.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        August 28, 2018, 3:25 pm

        Keith- Reality is indeed reality. But stereotypes promote hate. If an attempt was made to depict soros’s face or singer’s face, I could accept your interpretation. But it was an attempt to depict the jew’s face, a jew face, and there the currency is hatred. Instead of the socialism of fools, we have the union of socialism and race hatred. Something troubling to most fair minded people.

      • catalan
        catalan
        August 28, 2018, 4:32 pm

        “Our present private debt based financial system stinks and needs to be replaced. “ Keith
        Has this replacement been tried anywhere so we can get a sneak preview? The Soviet Union perhaps, or Cambodia? China? Surely we get to see how well the replacement works.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        August 28, 2018, 5:17 pm

        “Reality is indeed reality. But stereotypes promote hate”

        A Jew’s face should be depicted framed by a tallit and phylacteries with his eye’s raised rapturously towards heaven, and an open Holy Book or scroll in front of him. Jewish women should be depicted lighting Shabbos candles.

      • Keith
        Keith
        August 29, 2018, 12:49 am

        CATALAN- “Surely we get to see how well the replacement works.”

        Nope. The powers that be will never let that happen. Yet, common sense should tell you that a private, for profit, banking system ultimately leads to disaster for the 99%. When the financial decisions are made by the few for the benefit of the few, what do you expect to happen? Neoliberalism is a disaster for the 99%. It is the logical extension of a financial system which requires continued growth of the money supply to pay off existing debt. You are unaware of this? All of those purported degrees and you are unaware of this? The entire global economy is mortgaged to the bankers and bond holders. You are unaware of this? You honestly think our current financial system is viable? The boat is sinking and there is no alternative to abandoning ship or going down with it. Within the next 2 to 7 years, the entire financial system will be modified with the intent of establishing a neofeudal rentier economy, barring nuclear war and/or total environmental collapse, both highly likely. The future of humanity on planet earth is extremely tenuous.

    • amigo
      amigo
      August 28, 2018, 11:56 am

      Jackduh please provide link so we can read the whole article.Wouldn,t be anything new for you to post info taken out of context.

      “Corbyn is just another Jew hater, plain and simple.” jackduh

      Of course he is .Didn,t you know , the whole world hates Jews so all non Jews are Jew haters , plain and simple.

      You guys should use all that Jewish ingenuity and technological know how to manufacture a Space ship and head off to parts unknown and build yourselves a “goy” free Homeland of the Jewish people.

      Don,t forget to write and tell how your new world is doing without Jew haters or an occupation or worse still ,, no Arabs to hate.I should imagine you will all end up killing each other .

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 28, 2018, 2:50 pm

        For all that Jewish ingenuity they decided to occupy Gaza and then pauperise it. I doubt the spaceship would get past Netanya without a fight breaking out.

  14. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 28, 2018, 12:49 pm

    @Bumblebye
    “Ossinev from what I read elsewhere, it’s the JLM offering bodyguards. After having their ‘antisemitism’ awareness courses censored they decided to withdraw from that activity so needed a new one”

    Thanks for the info. Have to confess that I had never heard of the JLM before but will do some research. I had assumed that G4S or some such “security guard” providing company would have got the job – after of some element of Pro – Zionist vetting of course.

    @Jackanory
    “I am going to venture a guess that you are not actually of English extraction. None of the characteristic succinctness, understatement, or careful irony. Instead, a lot of verbiage – sounds like Russian or the republics”

    Well f… a duck. I have been accused of a number of things but being Russian or from “the republics” which I can only assume is a reference to the ex – Soviet Baltic Republics now that really takes the biscuit.

    Sorry about the ” verbiage” Hope all is well in Barcelona.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      August 28, 2018, 1:31 pm

      Ossinev, JLM is the Jewish Labour Movement, formerly Poale Zion with all its links to Israeli Labour, the WZO, etc. It had lapsed into near non-existence until Corbyn started gaining steam on the leadership ballot. Then it ‘somehow’ and rather suddenly was fired back into being.

    • Jackdaw
      Jackdaw
      August 29, 2018, 2:22 am

      @Ossinev

      @Jackanory
      “I am going to venture a guess that you are not actually of English extraction. None of the characteristic succinctness, understatement, or careful irony. Instead, a lot of verbiage – sounds like Russian or the republics”

      I can’t tell if your writing to me or not, but if you are, my grandfather was from Manchester.

  15. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    August 28, 2018, 8:31 pm

    Yet Labour continues to grow despite these despicable smears from the racist Israel supporters.

    The latest attack by Rabbi Sachs will do no worse. It is making the UK electorate that Sacks runs trips to Israel to help lead Jerusalem day Parades.

    You know… The ones where they maraud through non Jewish areas chanting death to Arabs.

    The wolf’s sheep clothing is getting bared for all to see as it should be.

  16. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    August 29, 2018, 8:02 am

    @Bumblebye
    “JLM is the Jewish Labour Movement, formerly Poale Zion with all its links to Israeli Labour, the WZO, etc. It had lapsed into near non-existence until Corbyn started gaining steam on the leadership ballot. Then it ‘somehow’ and rather suddenly was fired back into being2

    Thanks for the info. You may be interested in the following:
    https://freespeechonisrael.org.uk/who-are-jewish-labour-movement/#sthash.lawbfdSg.dpbs

    The so called “Israeli Labour Party” is a sick joke and Herzog their ex leader and the rest of his party were and are closet racists and Fascists.

    BTW the SCAACC (Shaft Corbyn at any Cost Campaign) have not yet delved into his childhood/school years to find blatant examples of “Anti -Semitism”. Can`t be long now. I personally believe that they are rapidly running out of fodder. Jonathan Sachs has been wheeled out to give some “new” impetus to the campaign. I seem to recall that the same Jonathan Sacks once said that he personally had never witnessed or seen any “Anti – Semitic” incidents in the UK.
    Can`t find a link to his comment however.

    • oldgeezer
      oldgeezer
      August 29, 2018, 9:29 am

      @Ossinev

      Sacks praised a book written by Douglas Murray which, of course, was Islamophobic in content. Amusingly enough the book also favourably cites Enoch Powell.

      Worked with Pence on his Jerusalem speech. Pence is quite well known for being a racist and homophobe.

      Described university students as “menacing” apparently for the crime of coming in and occupying the center of the front row.

      Accused the Church of England of having a tsunami of a/s for withdrawing it’s money supplying machinery to Israel for illegal home demolition. His racism and mendaciousness is only exceeded by his poor taste as he used the word tsunami near the first anniversary of the tsunami which killed roughly 183,000 people.

      Sacks is just another hard core zionist racist. A truly awful awful man.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        August 29, 2018, 10:44 am

        Sacks is odious. He is orthodox and I remember during an assault on Gaza he wrote an article on his opposition to something to do with assisted conception because some eggs would be destroyed. He cited some Jewish belief about the sanctity of all life. As if Israel had never happened.

    • amigo
      amigo
      August 29, 2018, 9:37 am

      “BTW the SCAACC (Shaft Corbyn at any Cost Campaign) have not yet delved into his childhood/school years to find blatant examples of “Anti -Semitism”. Can`t be long now.”0ssinev

      And when that fails , go after his siblings and cousins and parents and Aunts and Uncles etc etc.There has to be at least one instance of AS , somewhere in his past.

      If this whole charade wasn,t such a serious matter , it would make a very entertaining sitcom for future audiences.

      Ziosplaining – the gift that never stops giving .

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