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September 4, 2018: Today, as expected, the UK’s Labour Party adopted in full the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, and rejected a clarification about free speech that had been put forward by Jeremy Corbyn.

London, Sept 4: Demonstrators waving Israeli flags demand that Labour adopt the full IHRA definition and examples of anti-Semitism. [photo: Andy Rain/EPA, from The Guardian]

Ever since Jeremy Corbyn was elected head of the UK’s Labour Party, dire warnings of anti-Semitism have been a mainstay of the country’s daily headlines (MW articles). Prominent figures claiming to fight this wave of anti-Jewish hatred unfailingly cited one silver bullet: the so-called IHRA (International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance) definition of anti-Semitism. Only by enforcing this definition in full, the argument went, will Britain be a country in which Jews will be safe.

Now that IHRA has been adopted by all major British political parties, it is de facto British policy.

Despite all the attention given to IHRA, its core claim of fighting anti-Semitism is never challenged. Yet even a cursory examination of it demonstrates quite the opposite: it is IHRA that is anti-Semitic, institutionalizing racism against Jews.

The major media safely contained the spectrum of debate into two camps. On one side, we read that IHRA is needed to address rampant anti-Semitism; on the other, we hear (correctly) that IHRA will imperil honest debate. IHRA’s advocates managed criticism regarding free speech by branding such speech hate speech. Even as the ‘debate’ raged, IHRA achieved its goal: the fabricated hysteria vanquished Israel’s ongoing crimes from the news.

IHRA’s purpose is to help Israel continue business-as-usual without interference. Since the state claims to ‘be’ Jews, any accusation against it is an accusation against Jews, as Jews — that is, racism. With ethnic-nationalism’s sell-by date having expired even before Israel was born, this tactic of holding Jewish identity hostage is about all it has left.

To dismiss in advance the argument that most Jews support IHRA (and Zionism), and therefore, it can’t be anti-Semitic: Neither evidence nor linear reasoning are subject to anyone’s ethnicity. Why individuals, whatever their nationality or religion or political predilections or anything else, might support a document that exploits their ethnic identity to commit crimes, may be an interesting topic for sociologists, but is immaterial to the issue at hand. Nor should we forget that the media rely religiously on Zionist organizations, such as the Board of Deputies of British Jews, to speak for Jews.

To quote from IHRA, there is such a thing as “the Jewish people”, and this “Jewish people” have a right to “self-determination”. Lest we err in thinking that a person’s right to self-destiny is an individual matter neither dictated by ethnicity nor owned by some political project, IHRA corrects us. This “self-determination” is “the State of Israel”.

This alone should horrify us in principle, no matter which state claims to embody which ethnicity. There is no parallel to this on earth, no other political entity’s claim of ownership over people by virtue of their ethnicity. Any such claim would be universally condemned as outrageous, as abusive, and at best, laughable. But Zionism has conditioned us to believe one of the most repugnant of classic anti-Semitic tropes, that of Jews as a tribe, a ‘race’ apart, somehow distinct from the rest of humanity, and placed a pariah state in the Middle East as the tribal leader.

What IHRA’s smoke and mirrors can not do is hide the consequences of its abuse: it cannot make its organic Jews = Zionism/Israel linkage one-way only. If criticism of Israel equals criticism of Jews as Jews (anti-Semitism), then Jews, simply by virtue of being Jews, are the doers of whatever the Israeli state has done, is doing, and may in the future do. This ethnic blackmail extends beyond any abstract fig-leafs, fully to what IHRA calls “Israeli policy”. In short, when Israel is accused of crimes, it substitutes ‘Israel’ with ‘Jews’, enabling it to claim that the allegations are anti-Semitic. The original accuser is perceived as having blamed Jews, when it was Israel that framed Jews for the crime it knew it itself had committed.

The framers of IHRA were clearly aware of this fatal flaw, because IHRA also contains an antidote. This states — absolutely correctly — that it is anti-Semitic to hold Jews “collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.” But since holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel is precisely IHRA’s purpose, the only antidote is to make it ‘anti-Semitic’ to say so.

Nationalism has long been used by nation-states to insure the consent of its citizenry. Dissidents are condemned as enemies of the people. But if it is traitorous to oppose a country’s behavior, then that behavior is integral to the ‘values’, the morality, of the citizenry. Zionism replaced nation-state nationalism with far more potent ethnic nationalism: Jewish ‘patriotism’ to a particular political ideology and a particular state. To allege that is traitorous to Jews to oppose Israel’s behavior, is to allege that Israel’s behavior, whatever it is or will be, is integral to the ‘values’, the morality of Jews, not as individuals, nor just citizens of that state, but Jews as Jews.

That is profound, insidious anti-Semitism.

The exploitation of the word “Holocaust” to lend moral weight to IHRA, implicit in its name, is a further betrayal. Living Jews can speak for themselves and denounce IHRA’s attempt to exploit their identity on behalf of Israel’s crimes. Hitler’s victims can’t.

In the occupied Old City in Hebron, cats perch on a dumpster by settler’s graffiti. An Israeli settler, his life about to be cut short, shakes hands in friendship with a Palestinian, who with a third hand hides a knife in preparation for his kill. [photo: T Suárez]


Israel alone is IHRA’s winner. Its losers are Palestinians, British democracy, fact-based speech, and Jews. Now that Labour has caved to political pressure and adopted IHRA and all its “examples”, the Party is now what its critics could formerly only allege: anti-Semitic.

“Trump make Israel great”, one of several such signs, this one in East Jerusalem. One is left wondering whether “make” is a grammatical error for “makes”, or whether the sentence is a command. Other signs say “Trump is a friend of Zion”. [photo: T Suárez]

Relevant Mondweiss articles here

See also:
J’accuse: Zionism, Israel, And The IHRA
Zionism, anti-Semitism, Israel — and the UK Labour party

Tom Suarez
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  1. amigo
    amigo
    September 4, 2018, 4:40 pm

    IHRA hardly International.

    It has 31 member countries each of which pay 30,000 euros annually.Nice work if you can get it.

    BTW , IHRA only allows countries who it considers to be democratic to be members.Yes Israel is right in there.

    More here

    https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/about-us

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      September 4, 2018, 5:04 pm

      Plus, only 8 countries – one of which is Israel – have adopted the ‘full definition’.

      Not exactly ‘internationally recognised’.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 4, 2018, 6:39 pm

        Truth I never heard of them until this ugly episode surfaced.

        It turns out Ireland is paying these b======s 30,000 euros every year at a time when we have been the victims of an austerity program for ten years.

        Someone in the Foreign office is going to hear from me tomorrow and a few letters to a few editors is in order.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 5, 2018, 9:49 am

      @amigo, et al

      Must listen audio and a video excerpt:

      BBC Television’s Hardtalk. Stephen Sackur, interviews Danny Danon, Israel’s ambassador to the UN. Sept. 4/18

      Sackur politely demolishes Danon.

      Audio: https://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/play/w3cswjff

      Video clip: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06kb61r

      Podcast: https://player.fm/series/hardtalk-1301452/israels-ambassador-to-the-un-danny-danon

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      September 5, 2018, 10:48 am

      @amigo, et al

      Must watch videos from Britain:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxjpK2ZC3FU
      Annabelle Sreberny speaking at JVL rally, March 26, 2018

      “This video is of Prof. Annabelle Sreberny speaking at the Jewish Voice for Labour rally at Parliament Square, against the spurious and false accusations of wide-spread antisemitism within the Labour Party.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD4TVdAHxQw
      Glyn Secker, of Jewish Voice for Labour, speaking on March 26, 2018, in Parliament Square

      “This video is of Glyn Secker of JV, speaking at the JVL rally at Parliament Square, on March 26, 2018, in support of Jeremy Corbyn and opposing the false accusations of widespread antisemitism in the Labour Party.”

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 5, 2018, 12:19 pm

        Misterioso , great stuff.We need much more of this.

        Thanks for the links.

  2. CigarGod
    CigarGod
    September 4, 2018, 6:25 pm

    Baffle ’em with bullshit and tell them its a Petunia.

  3. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    September 4, 2018, 6:48 pm

    statement by Corbyn to the NEC

    “It cannot be considered racist to treat Israel like any other state or assess its conduct against the standards of international law. Nor should it be regarded as antisemitic to describe Israel, its policies or the circumstances around its foundation as racist because of their discriminatory impact, or to support another settlement of the Israel-Palestine conflict.”

    • JWalters
      JWalters
      September 5, 2018, 12:52 am

      Great statement by Corbyn! Perhaps the term “bigoted” could be used instead of “racist” to neuter that particular squabble.

    • Nathan
      Nathan
      September 9, 2018, 4:32 pm

      Mr Corbyn claims that discussing the circumstances around the founding of Israel shouldn’t be regarded as “racist”. I don’t think that the circumstances around the founding of states is even an issue in the first place. States come into existence, and that’s that. Criticizing is fine, and even going to war against a state is part of the way of the world. But why a state came into being seventy years ago is not a question on the agenda of world politics. It’s only a topic for a history lesson in school.

      There’s no misunderstanding of Mr Cobyn’s statement regarding “the circumstances around [Israel’s] foundation”. He’s questioning the legitimacy of the State of Israel, and he’s claiming that this should be a normal topic for political debate. Obviously, the leader of a mainstream political movement in a western country cannot come out with a clear statement that Israel shouldn’t have come into existence – so he has “to beat around the bush”. It’s very similar to the style of many of the articles here at Mondoweiss. No one goes on record saying that Israel shouldn’t exist, but the hints are dropped everywhere – and we all understand the message.

      It’s not an issue of racism to discuss the founding of Israel. The issue at hand is only intellectual cowardice. To gripe about the Nation-State Law, or to complain about the blockade, or to protest the moving of the US embassy to Jerusalem, or to cry over the Balfour Declaration – when your real agenda is that the state shouldn’t have been founded in the first place – is really just silly propaganda. We all know that rectifying these and any of the other infinite grievances will not grant Israel legitimacy in the eyes of the anti-Israel crowd.

      I think that the true issue on our agenda should be “how can we solve this conflict”. Israel exists, and she is a member of the family of nations, period. However, since the (unspoken) topic at hand here is that Israel’s very existence is unacceptable, it would be a breath of fresh air to read an article or a politician’s clear statement on how one should go about reaching the goal of undoing the existence of a very, very successful state.

      • annie
        annie
        September 9, 2018, 4:43 pm

        He’s questioning the legitimacy of the State of Israel, and he’s claiming that this should be a normal topic for political debate.

        you’re putting the cart before the horse. the “israel has a right to exist” propaganda is established hasbara. so you can’t make it up and demand people come down in favor of, or set up some informal inquisition and then blame others for it being a topic of debate. this is from the reut red lines people. the big tent group who decide what lines can and can’t be be drawn. it’s an israeli talking point. the whole right of existence lingo is BS because states don’t have rights of existence.

      • Nathan
        Nathan
        September 9, 2018, 5:55 pm

        Come on, Annie. It can’t be that you just didn’t catch the point of my comment. I am claiming that the anti-Israel activists are intellectual cowards. They won’t go on record stating what they really wish to achieve. Your “understanding” that this is putting “the cart before the horse” or that this is a type of propaganda is simply nonsense. I’m asking to read an article in Mondoweiss in which the real topic on the agenda is presented openly. This beating around the bush is really unnecessary. Intelligent people living in English-speaking societies should have the self-confidence to speak their mind.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 9, 2018, 7:22 pm

        || Nathan: … I think that the true issue on our agenda should be “how can we solve this conflict”. … ||

        I agree. And if Zionists weren’t so busy “beating around the bush” and resorting to “intellectual cowardice” (cue the usual accusations of “anti-Semitism” and “Jew hatred”) we’d already be moving forward on resolving the conflict through the application of justice, accountability and equality.

      • annie
        annie
        September 9, 2018, 9:55 pm

        why a state came into being seventy years ago is not a question on the agenda of world politics. It’s only a topic for a history lesson in school.

        It’s only a topic for a history lesson in school as long as you don’t tell the truth about it. because as soon as you do you’ve got zionists breathing down your neck and threatening the school (as happened recently in NYC) and getting teachers canned. and, if you tell the truth about it 9 chances out of 10 they’ll call you and anti semite — even tho the colonizers, at the time, called themselves colonizers.

        It can’t be that you just didn’t catch the point of my comment.

        i totally caught your point. you’re claiming something frank luntz probably hatched, as a primary confrontational theme of pro israel propaganda that’s hauled out continually (israel’s so called “right to exist”, do you or do you not support etc etc) as a “normal topic” for political dialogue was somehow some plot hatched by jeremy corbyn.

        I am claiming that the anti-Israel activists are intellectual cowards. They won’t go on record stating what they really wish to achieve

        you mean after dragging them to the poisoned well they won’t drink your water? such a pity for you!

        and also such a coincidence, because wasn’t it just catalan who claimed recently he thought people should be more transparent about their anti semitism or something? i’m sensing a theme here, did you guys go to the same ‘defending zionism conference’. is this the new attack mode netanyahu championed to the student hasbrats i watched on video recently?

        They won’t go on record stating what they really wish to achieve.

        the way netanyahu won’t go on record stating he really wishes to achieve genociding palestinians? is that your point? who’s making this into a political debate here nathan? you are. so let’s examine your genocidal tendencies why don’t we. that is your point isn’t it? just flipped around and aimed at corbyn. because 2 can play that game.

        go ahead, defend your genocidal tendencies. we’re all ears.

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 9, 2018, 10:09 pm

        I am typical in always “going on record stating what I really wish to achieve.”
        I say it every time I speak publicly. I put it in my writing whenever appropriate.
        Here goes: One state, democratic, secular, everyone equal, absolute right of return for the refugees.
        Done.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 9, 2018, 10:47 pm

        “people should be more transparent about their anti semitism or something?”

        Oops! I forgot the possibility of dividing it into two words without a hyphen. So we could have “anti semitism, anti Semitism, Anti semitism, and Anti Semitism” as well, except that they don’t seem to fit any standard pattern. Does get rid of that hyphen, though.

        (I’ve always found hyphens troublesome, even though commas seldom give me problems. My late brother had trouble with commas. When he was writing essays at school, he used to put a row of commas at the bottom of the page, with a note saying “insert where necessary”. But as an adult he carried a thick, black, marker pen around to correct public notices.)

      • Nathan
        Nathan
        September 12, 2018, 8:09 pm

        Tom Suarez – You claim to be going on the record, stating what you want to achieve – however, your “one state solution” is really the same style of “beating around the bush” (intellectual cowardice) that is typical of all the articles at Mondoweiss. You don’t say in clear language that Israel must cease to exist, nor do you outline the plan for achieving your goal.

        Have you ever read the Palestinian National Covenant? There you can see all the same grievances that one reads here, but in the PNC there is a clearly stated goal and a way of achieving it (the armed struggle). The Palestinians don’t seem to have a problem stating what is the goal, but their supporters in the west (who take all their cues from the Palestinian list of grievances) do have a problem with intellectual integrity.

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 13, 2018, 10:06 am

        Hello Nathan,
        sorry, no, this latest obfuscation-du-jour, “intellectual integrity”, is comical.
        You tell me what Israel IS — and I am not talking about the people in it, no matter their background, ethnicity, etc, but the political entity itself — you tell me what Israel as a political entity IS, and then we can talk. What are its borders, nature, the whole bit. But no, you can’t, because Israel has steadfastly refused to define itself.
        And then, tell me: at what point, if we alter any of these, would Israel as you define it no longer “exist”? For example, if it threw out its race laws, would “Israel no longer exist”? If it abided by international law, would it “no longer exist” according to you? If it went back to Res 181 borders, would Israel “no longer exist”?
        No political entity has a “right” to exist per se. That “right” is the result of the permission of the people it governs. For example, I do not think that Saudi Arabia (the political entity) has a “right” to exist, and I can say that without it being deliberately twisted to mean anything other than what I said.

      • Nathan
        Nathan
        September 14, 2018, 8:28 am

        Hello Tom Suarez –

        It really is very strange to hear from you that I should tell you “what Israel is”, and only “then we can talk”. Since we’re already talking, I assume that you don’t really need my help in defining Israel. Moreover, you write regularly in an anti-Israel website, so obviously you have your definition of Israel which is at the very foundation of your writing. Anyway, in brief, Israel is one of the approximately 198 member states of the United Nations.

        My point is very simple. The articles of this website are dedicated to proving that the State of Israel shouldn’t have come into existence, and that the state shouldn’t exist, period. However, quite strangely, no one (including you) will actually go on record and state in clear terms that this is the point of it all. Now, it would be fine not to answer me. It would also be fine to state that I’m right, and indeed there is a policy that no one writes in blunt terms that Israel must cease to exist. Moreover, it would be fine to answer me that I’m wrong, and that the website does state in clear terms that Israel’s very existence is the issue at hand. And, of course, it would also be fine (albeit quite surprising) to claim that the Mondoweiss articles accept the legitimacy of Israel, but they are just expressing some helpful, constructive criticism. However, it’s absolutely absurd to answer that you need a definition of Israel and that you are wondering what it might mean “to exist no longer”. There’s no reason for such silliness.

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 14, 2018, 6:00 pm

        Hello Nathan, this will be my last response on this. Regarding your:
        However, it’s absolutely absurd to answer that you need a definition of Israel and that you are wondering what it might mean “to exist no longer”. There’s no reason for such silliness.
        It’s “silly” to want to know what I am answering? Then why not humour me and answer the question? Then the burden would be on me. I presented you with quite disparate scenarios. You can’t pick one?
        You are quite aware that people are accused of “pushing Israel into the sea” for making the most lame suggestions, e.g., that the “occupation” should end.
        As for my views on the creation of Israel in 1948 (a different subject), that’s easy to answer, and I am surprised to read that you think this is not addressed. My answer is: “No.” Israel as we know it was a direct capitulation to Zionist terrorism, and it was (/is) a racist settler state. To be sure I am not misunderstood, I am not saying that the settlers should have been sent home. There should have been a democratic, secular state.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 15, 2018, 4:03 am

        Nathan: “Have you ever read the Palestinian National Covenant? ”

        Have you ever read the Biltmore program?
        https://rgshistory.wordpress.com/2017/04/05/the-biltmore-program-a-key-moment-in-the-origins-of-the-state-of-israel/

        I’m just asking, because a large number of articles of the PNC were wholy or partially nullified in 1996, because they were inconsistent with the Oslo Accords.

      • Nathan
        Nathan
        September 17, 2018, 9:50 pm

        Tom Suarez – You tell me that you do address the issue that I present, but you don’t. Here’s what I wrote: “The articles of this website are dedicated to proving that the State of Israel shouldn’t have come into existence, and that the state shouldn’t exist, period. However, quite strangely, no one (including you) will actually go on record and state in clear terms that this is the point of it all”.

        In your answer, you are careful to use the “past conditional” (should have been): “I am not saying that the settlers should have been sent home. There should have been a democratic, secular state”. In other words, you are willing to go on record that the state should not have come into existence, but you won’t go on record that the state should not exist in the present tense. You wish to convince me that you always state your opinion straight-forward, but in your final answer you hide behind what “should have been” in 1948.

        And, of course, there is no actual plan of action in the “here and now” – so, you don’t leave room for a real debate about your views. It really is cowardice.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        September 17, 2018, 10:45 pm

        “but you won’t go on record that the state should not exist in the present tense.”

        I think it is clear that the state of Israel should not exist in its current form, as well as not having come into existence. And I think it is clear that Tom shares that view.

        But you, Nathan, won’t go on record to tell us what counts as the state ceasing to exist. You simply toss out the term without making it clear what you mean. Since we don’t know what you mean, we cannot confirm or deny.

        But we do say what we would like to see in Palestine. You do not.

        Nor do you have an actual plan of action in the “here and now”. It really is cowardice on your part.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 18, 2018, 3:10 am

        Nathan: “The articles of this website are dedicated to proving that the State of Israel shouldn’t have come into existence, and that the state shouldn’t exist, period. However, quite strangely, no one (including you) will actually go on record and state in clear terms that this is the point of it all”.

        Well, you said if there had allready been a state of Palestine pre 1948 “no one had a right to found another state therein (an illegitimate blow to the territorial integrity of an “existing” state).”

        And then I proved to you that Palestine was had been a “state under mandate” which is also the exact terminology we find in a Britain-French boundary agreement regarding the future borders of Syria and Palestine under mandate:

        “His Britannic Majesty’s Ambassador, in addressing to his Excellency the President of the Council, Minister for Foreign Affairs, a copy of the report and of the maps annexed thereto, signed by Lieutenant-Colonel Newcombe, the British delegate, whose signature equally binds the State under mandate, has the honour to inform him that His Britannic Majesty’s Government agree to ratify the proposals of the commission, and consider the present note as being equivalent to ratification.”
        http://www.assidmer.net%2Fdoc%2FBritish-French_Boundary_Agreement%2C_1923.pdf

        So basically it is you who is indirectly arguing that Israel’s founding and existence is illegitimate. Keep up the good work!

  4. amigo
    amigo
    September 4, 2018, 7:50 pm

    The opposite version of the IHRA definition.

    Contemporary examples of Islamophobia in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

    1,
    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Palestinians in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

    2,
    Accusing Palestinians as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Palestinian person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Palestinians.

    3,
    Denying the Palestinian people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Palestine is a danger to all Jews.

    4,
    Using words or symbols and images associated with classic Islamophobia (e.g., claims of Palestinians wanting to kill all Jews by driving them into the sea .

    5,
    Drawing comparisons of Palestinians (The Mufti ) to that of the Nazis.

    6,
    Holding Palestinians collectively responsible for actions of Hamas.

    • catalan
      catalan
      September 4, 2018, 9:38 pm

      “Drawing comparisons of Palestinians (The Mufti ) to that of the Nazis.” amigo
      Why comparisons? The Mufti liked Hitler and helped recruit Bosnians Muslims for the Waffen SS, who were responsible for the murder of 12 to 14 thousand innocent Yugoslav Jews. He was a Nazi in his own right, no comparison needed.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 5, 2018, 12:23 am

        Was Kastner a Nazi? Is Netanyahu a Judeonazi?

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2018, 12:28 am

        He was a Nazi in his own right

        yawn

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2018, 12:29 am

        make that a triple yawn

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 5, 2018, 12:39 am

        The Mufti was indeed a nasty piece of work. Palestinians should not be blamed for him, just as Jews should not be blamed for Zionist-Nazi collaboration.

      • guyn
        guyn
        September 5, 2018, 12:45 am

        According to this article, they fought partisans and later soviets.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

        However: “the division earned a reputation for brutality and savagery, not only during combat operations, but also through atrocities committed against Serb and Jewish civilians in the security zone. Its reprisal attacks in northern and eastern Bosnia left many hundreds and possibly as many as several thousand Serb civilians dead by the spring and summer of 1944.”

        Have you a source for the 12 to 14 thousand innocent Yugoslav Jews you asserted?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 5, 2018, 1:29 am

        Sorry Tom,

        But I couldn’t agree less. Countries don’t have friends. They have interests. The British broke Palestinian resistance during the Arab Revolt which ended in 1937. The Mufti knew that the Zionists wanted all of Palestine.

        Finland also fought with Germany because it understood Stalin.

        It wouldn’t have mattered anyway even if the Mufti had personally liberated Auschwitz.

        Zionism is all or nothing. Until the end.

      • gamal
        gamal
        September 5, 2018, 4:53 am

        “The Mufti was indeed a nasty piece of work”

        one does wonder what he might have been doing if Palestine wasn’t being settler colonised?

        and why wasn’t he in Palestine during the war, and despite all the posturing there is in reality little to choose between the Axis and Allies.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 5, 2018, 7:54 am

        “make that a triple yawn” annie
        Exactly Israel’s feslings over BDS, the Gaza blockade, and the boycott of Victoria Secret and other brands of sexy underwear.

      • annie
        annie
        September 5, 2018, 9:27 am

        not content to speak for yourself? now you’re speaking for the israel’s ministry of strategic affairs with a big fat budget?

        the adoption of this definition is a farce, when israel’s supporters sling around the term nazi whenever it serves their interests. that would include you catalan. boring. hauling bds into the mix (which has already been done) won’t change that. and the blockade of gaza? what’s wrong with you?

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        September 5, 2018, 8:55 am

        “despite all the posturing there is in reality little to choose between the Axis and Allies.”
        There’s your winner.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 5, 2018, 9:14 am

        Catalan

        Israeli cruelty in Gaza has turned an awful lot of people off Israel in the EU and off Judaism, their own religion, in the US.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        September 5, 2018, 9:35 am

        @catalan

        A reminder:

        After WWII, a memorandum dated January 11, 1941, was discovered in Ankara. Prepared by the German Naval Attaché in Turkey, it revealed that Naftali Lubentschik, a
        representative of the Stern Gang (one of the Yishuv’s terrorist organizations) led by Avraham Stern, had met with German Nazis, Otto Von Hentig and Rudolph Rosen in Vichy controlled Beirut and proposed that in exchange for military aid and freedom to recruit European Jews for Palestine, the Sternists were prepared “…to take an active part in the war on Germany’s side…and [this cooperation] would also be in line with one [of Hitler’s recent speeches which] stressed that any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it.”

        The proposition presented to the Nazis pointed out that “the establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interest of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East.” (Quoted by Klaus Polkehn, “The Secret Contacts: Zionist-Nazi Relations, 1933-1941” as well as Lenny Brenner, Zionism in the Age of Dictators, Westport, Conn., Lawrence Hill & Co., 1983, p. 267 and Yediot Aharnot, February 4/1983). Fortunately, the Nazis considered the Sternist proposal to be sheer lunacy and rejected it out of hand.

        Following Stern’s death at the hands of the British in 1942, three of his lieutenants (one of whom was Yitzhak Shamir) took over leadership of the Gang. It is revealing to note that despite Avraham Stern’s ignominious record and his flirtation with the Nazis, Ben-Gurion later referred to him as “one of the finest and most outstanding figures of the era.”

        For the record:
        “Adolf Hitler, who took his racism seriously, applied it to all Semites. He could not stand Arabs either. Contrary to legend, he disliked the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who had fled to Germany. After meeting him once for a photo-opportunity arranged by the Nazi propaganda machine, he never agreed to meet him again.” (Uri Avnery – http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1424446157)

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 5, 2018, 10:28 am

        @Tom

        “The Mufti was indeed a nasty piece of work. Palestinians should not be blamed for him, just as Jews should not be blamed for Zionist-Nazi collaboration.”

        Zionists collaborated with Nazis in order to save Jews.
        The Mufti collaborated with Nazis in order to exterminate Jews.

        You’re a piece too, Tom.
        A real piece.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 5, 2018, 11:51 am

        “Zionists collaborated with Nazis in order to save Jews.” jack-wrong again -duh.

        Jackduh, these collaborators worked with the Nazis to fight the British who were at war with the Nazis in several theaters of war. The same British who stood up to the Nazis and consequently prevented millions more Jews and others (yes there were other victims) from being murdered.

        Do you get it–Jews killing British soldiers who stood between Nazi genocide and the death of many more Jews.

        The collaborators suggested the plan because they thought the Nazis would win.

        “It’s fairly well-known that both Yishuv political movements, the far-right and socialist left, collaborated (or proposed collaborating) with the Nazis when it appeared they could win WWII. In the 1930s, Chaim Arlosoroff, on behalf of Ben Gurion’s Mapai, negotiated the Haavara Agreement with the Nazis. ”

        https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/05/09/history-israeli-far-right-collusion-hitler-stalin/

        Did these dopes assume the Nazis wouldn,t go to so called Israel and finish the job.

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 5, 2018, 12:13 pm

        Hello Jackdaw,
        If the guiding principle of Havaara was to save as many at-risk Jews as possible, one could make the case that it was a reasoned decision under ghastly circumstances: whether to enforce the boycott and MAYBE save million of Jews, or break the boycott and be confident of saving some.
        That, however, was not the guiding principle of Havaara. Zionism was.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 5, 2018, 1:26 pm

        “Exactly Israel’s feslings over BDS, the Gaza blockade, and the boycott of Victoria Secret and other brands of sexy underwear.” “catalan”

        “catalan”, showing up in a Wonderbra with a print-out of your Mondo archive may not be enough.

      • tony greenstein
        tony greenstein
        September 5, 2018, 1:53 pm

        @jack ass Tom Suarez is right and you are wrong. Tuvia Friling’s Arrows in the Dark is the work of a sycophant and a Zionist apologist. I suggest you read the official biography (or more accurately) of Shabtai Teveth, The Running Ground and the chapter on the Holocaust, where he quotes Ben Gurion as saying that where there was ‘a conflict of interest between saving individual Jews and the good of the Zionist enterprise, we shall say that the enterprise comes first.’ p.855.

        Teveth, who is a dedicated Zionist and was appointed by Ben GUrion’s family as his biographer describes how Ben Gurion ‘‘concentrated all his efforts on the [Zionist] program, not to the tragedy of European Jewry. He maintained a puzzling silence about what was going on in Europe and Riegner’s telegram.’ (p.842)

        Teveth concluded that ‘If there was a line in Ben-Gurion’s mind between the beneficial disaster and an all-destroying catastrophe, it must have been a very fine one.’

        Friling’s absurd work, and I debated with him, he was based at Ben Gurion University, was an attempt to undermine Tom Segev’s universally acclaimed book The 7th Million, which even Elie Wiesel, the survivor of Auschwitz praised. Wiesel, despite being an appalling Zionist had harsh words for those who believed that making a profit out of Haavara was more important than saving Jews.

        You are absolutely wrong about Ha’avara. It was not an attempt to save Jews but to save the Jewish wealth of German Jews by t ransferring it to Palestine. In 1933 very few people thought that Hitler would exterminate the Jews and as Segev and ot hers have shown Zionists such as Berl Katznelson WELCOMED the advent of the Nazis to power. Their reasoning? It proved the Zionists were right when they said that antisemitism was inevitable. You can read the nauseous letter of the Zionist Federation of Germany to Hitler of 21 June 1933 in Lucy Dawidowicz Holocaust Reader which basically said that on the foundation of race we too wish to establish a state.

        So you are completely wrong. The Mufti wasn’t interested in extermination of Jews but preventing their immigration to Palestine. He was a minor war criminal certainly when compared to the leader of Hungarian Zionist Rudolf Kasztner who has a major share of responsibility for the murder of nearly 1/2 million Jews.

        Incidentally the Waffen SS Muslim Divisions that the Mufti created were, with one solitary exception in New Albania (Kosovo) when around 200 Jews were seized for deportation completely uninvolved in the Jewish Question. So much so that they were sent for ‘retraining’ in France to make them antisemitic. T hey promptly deserted and rebelled, joining the French Resistance. The only instance of an SS unit rebelling.

        So basically Jackdaw you are wrong on everything but cling to Friling if you want. No one else takes it seriously.

        Even Dinah Porat, the principal historian of Yad Vashem admits that ‘these questions, the Zionist indifference to the Holocaust, are hard to answer’ because ‘Ben-Gurion’s concentration on post-war goals shifted attention away from the present plight of Europe’s Jews.’ You can read this and much else besides in ‘The Blue & Yellow Stars of David The Zionist Leadership and the Holocaust, pp. 10-11.

        If there was a line in Ben-Gurion’s mind between the beneficial disaster and an all-destroying catastrophe, it must have been a very fine one.’

      • zaid
        zaid
        September 5, 2018, 3:54 pm

        “The Mufti insisted, “The most important task of this division must be to protect the homeland and families [of the Bosnian volunteers]; the division must not be permitted to leave Bosnia”, but the Germans paid no attention.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 5, 2018, 4:07 pm

        Tony. There is no such thing as a free beneficial disaster. The flip side of the global sympathy generated by the holocaust is the trauma it left behind in the Jews who kicked Israel off in 1948. The Holocaust happened in the bloodlands between Poland and the Soviet Union. Total dead 27 million. Poland ,Ukraine, russia, Belarus and Israel are all crippled with trauma, authoritarianism and fear in 2018

      • Keith
        Keith
        September 5, 2018, 5:03 pm

        JACKDAW- “Zionists collaborated with Nazis in order to save Jews.”

        So, you say that the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis, and the outcome reflected both Zionist values and Nazi humanitarianism? Food for thought.

      • gamal
        gamal
        September 5, 2018, 5:51 pm

        “There’s your winner”

        and what do i win, my great uncle was on the baltic convoys, my mother ran away from her evacuation lodgings and on the night she returned the Germans bombed, a bomb landed on her bed room roof, top of the block, and failed to go off, my fathers village in Egypt was burned down 3 three times by the British, who shot and raped members of my family (tribe), and you know you right man I am the winner, what else could I be.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        September 5, 2018, 5:53 pm

        Jackdaw: “Zionists collaborated with Nazis in order to save Jews.”

        “Let them say that I am anti-Semitic….Let them say what they want. I will not demand that the Jewish Agency allocate of a sum of 300,000 or 100,000 pounds sterling to help European Jewry. And I think that whoever demands such things is performing an anti-Zionist act.” – Yitzhak Gruenbaum, one for the 13 leaders wh formed the provisional government of Israel and who its the first Interior Minister

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 6, 2018, 2:19 am

        @Tony Greenstain

        Friling disassembled Segev’s ‘Seventh Million’.

        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13531049508576057

        I’m sure you read Friling’s review of Segev’s book before you ‘debated’ Friling.
        Video, audio, dates and places, please.

        BTW, why are you citing to Porat’s 30 year old book, and Shabtai Teveth’s 20 year old book. Their research is stale, dated and incomplete.

        Friling’s two-volume book is definitive. It relies on research Teveth and Segev overlooked, or were too lazy to dig up.

        “Packed full with an exhaustive journey of testimonies, documents, and interviews, this may be counted among the very best of classic literature on the Holocaust.”—Yosef Friedlander, Hatsofeh

        “You are absolutely wrong about Ha’avara. It was not an attempt to save Jews but to save the Jewish wealth of German Jews by t ransferring it to Palestine.”

        No, Greenstain, Ha’avara saved the lives of 60,000 German Jews, who emigrated, with their accumulated wealth, to Israel in the 1930’s.

        If you want to defend the Nazi-worshiping, pogromist Mufti, than be my guest. You, and the Muft’s damned soul, and not worth my time.
        Why you want to defend a man who’s hands are stained with the blood of hundreds of innocent Iraqi Jews, is way beyond my ken.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 6, 2018, 8:46 am

        || Jackdaw: … Ha’avara saved the lives of 60,000 German Jews, who emigrated, with their accumulated wealth, to Israel in the 1930’s. … ||

        I know you Zionists are desperate to re-write history but Israel did not exist in the 1930s.

      • Nathan
        Nathan
        September 8, 2018, 5:32 am

        Misterioso – The Mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, was one of the broadcasters in the Arabic language in the service of Nazi Germany. The Germans broadcast through short-wave radio to the Arab world, and the American ambassador to Egypt in those days had a crew of listeners who translated the messages into English. The broadcasting of the Mufti in the service of the Germans is on file in the State Department. The Mufti makes it clear that the Germans are anti-Jewish (i.e. their antisemitism is not about the Arabs).

        The late Mr Avnery whom you quote misunderstood the term “semite”. In a more correct wording, Mr Avnery took seriously the 19th century definitions of race. Actually, many people who comment here take the term “semite” seriously. Today, it is only correct to say that there is a family of languages known as the “Semitic Languages”. Any other use of the term “semite” is total nonsense. There are no “semitic peoples”.

        The term “antisemitism” was coined in 1879, and the intention was to define the Jews as foreigners in European society (they are the “children of Shem” as opposed to the Europeans who are the “children of Japhet”). Since the Jews are foreigners, they should not be given civil rights. Today, antisemitism is used only in the sense of “anti-Jewish”.

        It should be added that the broadcasting of the Nazi message by the Mufti to the Arabic-speaking Middle East was heard and internalized (i.e. the “plotting of the Jews against the interests of the peoples of the world” is taken seriously in the Middle East until this very day).

    • Sibiriak
      Sibiriak
      September 5, 2018, 1:01 am

      Good post, Amigo. Details aside, the broader point is that supporters of Palestinian rights need to go on the offensive, not just play defense, when it comes to these antisemitism (racism) smears.

      • Misterioso
        Misterioso
        September 5, 2018, 11:03 am

        @Jackdaw

        “Zionists collaborated with Nazis in order to save Jews.”

        Good grief!!!
        Perhaps you have forgotten that at the time the Nazis, whom the Zionists collaborated with, were dispossessing, slaughtering, torturing and imprisoning what proved to be millions of Europeans, Russians, Africans, British, Americans, Gypsies, Canadians, et al.

        In short, your response is pure Zionist racist bullcrap!!!

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        September 5, 2018, 12:04 pm

        @jackduh

        zionists cooperated with the nazis. The anitzionist Bund fought them and tried to save lives.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 5, 2018, 12:04 pm

        “supporters of Palestinian rights need to go on the offensive, not just play defense, when it comes to these antisemitism (racism) smears.”Sibiriak.

        I agree but gaining access to British Print media to voice opposition to Zionist hasbara is difficult , to say the least.

        Bombarding social media with facts about Israel,s actions over the last 70+ years and taking to the streets and widespread support for BDS would help .

        The problem is that the Palestinian side is not yet nearly as organised as the Zionist side is .It,s a tough nut to crack.

      • Jackdaw
        Jackdaw
        September 5, 2018, 12:05 pm

        @Mister 0

        Yes. The Canadian Holocaust.
        How on earth can I have forgotten.

        Never again!

      • JanetB
        JanetB
        September 5, 2018, 5:33 pm

        Jackdaw

        You obviously don’t know anything about the cultural genocide that Canada committed against our First Nations. Nor do you seem to care or want to know about the suffering other groups. Because if you did then you would make jokes about it, I would advise you STFU

  5. guyn
    guyn
    September 4, 2018, 8:03 pm

    Israeli politicians berate Palestinian-Israeli legislators for supporting Corbyn
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-politicians-berate-palestinian-israeli-lawmakers-supporting-corbyn-2140188660

    “They have shown their true colours by going out of their way to voice unanimous support for a man who has been labelled an existential threat to the British Jewish community,” far-right Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett said in a statement.”

    “In a tweet posted on Sunday, Oren called Corbyn an anti-Semite and described the Joint List MPs as a “pack of racists.”

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 5, 2018, 12:25 am

      Wait until Gaza collapses. That is the existential threat to people such as Margaret Hodge. British people hate assholes.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 5, 2018, 1:33 am

      Had to laugh at Naftali self suicide Bennett chipping in to the Labour debate.
      He is a Jewish barbarian and a key reason Zionism is in such trouble in the UK. They can try to shut down criticism but ideologies like Bennett with their penchant for dead women and kids cannot be controlled and will sink the latest definition. Bennett is an antisemitism machine.

    • Rashers2
      Rashers2
      September 5, 2018, 1:02 pm

      Just read @guyn’s comment: “… a man who has been labelled an existential threat to the British Jewish community.” Ffs – ANOTHER existential threat – this time to British Jews!!! How many of `em do the Ziopaths need [to manufacture]? Frankly, being described as an “existential threat” by the sainted Israeli Minister of Education would be considered by many a badge of honour… Seldom has so much ordure been spouted by so many arrant hypocrites about so synthetic a “scandal” as Labour-anti-Semitism-gate.

  6. eljay
    eljay
    September 4, 2018, 8:11 pm

    I simply cannot comprehend why Zionists hate Jews so much.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 5, 2018, 1:34 pm

      “I simply cannot comprehend why Zionists hate Jews so much.”

      “eljay”, how many times do I have to tell you. Zionists hate Jews because we have failed Zionism.

      • eljay
        eljay
        September 5, 2018, 2:21 pm

        || Mooser: … “eljay”, how many times do I have to tell you. Zionists hate Jews because we have failed Zionism. ||

        So…I should urge you to get with the program and stop failing Zionism?

        Hmmm, no, that doesn’t sound right.

  7. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 5, 2018, 3:24 am

    I think this is a very interesting development. Zionism obviously has enough money to buy off elites everywhere. But it can no longer control the narrative because Israeli society is so far off the deep end and has no shared concept of human rights or even human dignity with the rest of the OECD.

    Palestinians, especially in Gaza, are seen as vermin by Israeli Jews . The vast majority of. This has been abundantly clear to anyone following IP for the last while.

    Yes, there are decent Sabras but they are very much a minority. the 2014 war on Gaza had approval rates well into the 90s.

    Zionists can whine dishonestly about anti Zionism as “J*w hatred” til the cows come home but unless Israel is brought to heel none of it will matter.

    Israel cannot spin the status quo to BBC or TF1 viewers. Israeli society is in a moral tailspin. Sooner or later Israel will lose Europe.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli/

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      September 5, 2018, 9:39 am

      re: “But it can no longer control the narrative”

      Really? Coulda fooled me. The discussion of this topic I heard or read on BBC, Guardian, and the few U.S. sources that alluded to it all made it clear (albeit in an oblique way) that Corbyn was the problem.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        September 5, 2018, 11:11 am

        Tactical retreat perhaps. In the US Israel used to be bipartisan. Most Israeli spokespeople are extremists . Israel doesn’t share its reality with decent people.

  8. Tuyzentfloot
    Tuyzentfloot
    September 5, 2018, 4:54 am

    I wonder if the social media regulation infrastructure is ready to implement the new IHRA on twitter, facebook, youtube and others.

  9. RoHa
    RoHa
    September 5, 2018, 6:41 am

    So now we have new Inquisitors, new Thought Police, new Political Officers who will keep close watch on all of us and ensure that our every word, every deed, every idea conforms to the highest standards.

    Well, I, for one, welcome our new overlords.

    This may surprise some of you, but set your minds at rest. I am getting old, I have a family, I have a cat. This is not the stuff of which martyrs are made.

    I do not relish the prospect of “diversity training” in the re-education camps.

    I do not want to find out what is in Room 101.

    I love Big Brother.

    • eljay
      eljay
      September 5, 2018, 7:30 am

      || RoHa: So now we have new Inquisitors, new Thought Police, new Political Officers who will keep close watch on all of us and ensure that our every word, every deed, every idea conforms to the highest standards. … ||

      I doubt they’ll be monitoring punctuation and grammar, so your job is safe.  ;-)

  10. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 5, 2018, 7:34 am

    The assumption must be that in order for this to have any meaningful effect it will have to be enshrined in British law which pre-supposes that there would have to be a Parliamentary Debate and the passing or rejection of that law. Can`t wait for that scenario. If such a “Law” is actually passed can`t wait for the first legal test cases relating to this farce viz:

    “You John Smith are accused that on the 25th day of December in the year of Our Lord 2018 (inadvertent Anti – Semitism nudge nudge nudge wink wink say no more) you did in the presence of witnesses make an Anti – Semitic racist statement contrary to the IHRA Act 2018 as follows: Israel is an Apartheid Racist State. What do you have to say in your defence”

    “Sorry m`lord I am a bit confused can you please clarify. My understanding is that as a British citizen I have the democratic right to criticise and condemn a foreign state for it`s actions”

    “That is not the case. Yes it is permissible under British Law to criticise foreign states but with the single exception of Israel”

    “Why?”

    Answers on a postcard please etc as the noble judge will not have the foggiest f…ing idea how to explain this.

    BTW just to be clear IMO Israel is an Apartheid Racist State. The courts and the jails will be overflowing with all sorts including Anglicans Catholics,Presbyterians and all sorts of other “races”.

  11. Talkback
    Talkback
    September 5, 2018, 8:36 am

    Is it antisemitic to claim that Israel supports terrorists?
    “IDF confirms: Israel provided light-weapons to Syrian rebels …

    Through Operation Good Neighbor, which was launched in 2016 the Israeli military had provided over 1524 tons of food, 250 tons of clothes, 947,520 liters of fuel, 21 generators, 24,900 palettes of medical equipment and medicine. … Reports first surfaced of Israel providing arms and cash to rebel groups several years ago, with the regime of Bashar Assad claiming that Israel had been providing arms to terror groups and its forces had regularly seized arms and munitions with inscriptions in Hebrew.

    According to reports Israel had been arming at least seven different rebel groups in Syria’s Golan Heights, including the Fursan al-Joulan rebel group which had around 400 fighters and had been given an estimated $5,000 per month by Israel.

    “Israel stood by our side in a heroic way,” the group’s spokesperson, Moatasem al-Golani, told the The Wall Street Journal in a January 2017 report. “We wouldn’t have survived without Israel’s assistance.””
    http://archive.fo/PFSjV

  12. watzal
    watzal
    September 5, 2018, 10:01 am

    The so-called definition of anti-Semitism is not only a joke but an invention of the Zionist Lobby. Only eight (sic) countries adopted this hoax. This constructed IHRA-declaration is of no international relevance. That Corbyn finally gave in to Zionist pressure and journalistic bombardment by the Zionist controlled British press, is disappointing. But why should he behave differently than Blair, Cameron, May and the other Zionist stooges in the UK? There has never been any “anti-Semitism” within the Labor Party but only in the Zionist regime in Israel because this racist ideology needs the scapegoat of anti-Semitism to justify its racist policy and its despicable Apartheid-Regime.

  13. Keith
    Keith
    September 5, 2018, 10:16 am

    TOM SUAREZ- “British Labour just adopted a definition of anti-Semitism that is anti-Semitic”

    Hey Tom, do you really think it is a good idea to compete with the IHRA and the Board of Deputies of British Jews in leveling charges of anti-Semitism? Seriously?

  14. tony greenstein
    tony greenstein
    September 5, 2018, 1:57 pm

    Tom,

    yes you are right the IHRA is anti-semitic. But I don’t altogether agree with your reasoning or I find it somewhat torturous. Look the right to self determination is a right of all nations, ie the right to form a state. IF Jews were a nation then they would have that right, albeit not in someone else’s country. However Jews are NOT a nation and the suggestion that British, French Brazilian etc. Jews form one nation is a nonsense. What is really being suggested is that they are a race. Indeed the whole notion of Jewish nationhood is an anti-semitic concept at the root of the world Jewish conspiracy theory. It then follows that if Jews are a nation and therefore the nationals of Israel, which is what Israel claims then of course they are responsible for what it does. So by its own definitions the IHRA is antisemitic!

  15. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 5, 2018, 2:00 pm

    @Amigo
    “supporters of Palestinian rights need to go on the offensive, not just play defense, when it comes to these antisemitism (racism) smears.”Sibiriak.

    I agree but gaining access to British Print media to voice opposition to Zionist hasbara is difficult , to say the least.

    Bombarding social media with facts about Israel,s actions over the last 70+ years and taking to the streets and widespread support for BDS would help .

    The problem is that the Palestinian side is not yet nearly as organised as the Zionist side is .It,s a tough nut to crack”

    Yes it will be a tough nut to crack but Jeremy Corbyn to his credit and to the dismay and frustration of the Israeli Firsters here in the UK has not cracked unlike the cowards and appeasers in the NEC.

    The Zios have started a war on British Democracy and British Freedom of speech and have waged this on a number of fronts and using various self serving collaborators. To date there has been no effective fightback largely I believe because the majority of Labour Party members and supporters considered the allegations to be preposterous , thought that they would go away and did not understand or anticipate the degree of connivance which emerged in the UK press and also the feral nature of Zionism.

    The arrogant Zionists think that they have won the day with the single exception of JC still standing up to them. As such they will continue their vile attacks on him at the behest of the racist Israeli Government.

    As you suggest it is time I believe for true Labour Party supporters to fight back and social media is an ideal starting point. Let`s start research digging. Lots of skeletons in lots of UK Zionist cupboards including their Bliarite collaborators Lots of Islampophobic and other comments on record or recordable. Remember that the Zionists have used guilt by association as a weapon. Do the same . Attend your Local Labour Party meetings. Make clear your steadfast support for JC. and question them on their support or otherwise for their elected Party Leader. Oblige them to confirm their views on legitimate criticism of Israel. Send messages of support and praise to JC for his courage .Forget the press – they have made themselves a true laughing stock on this issue. Submit petitions. Attend rallies. Make complaints through official bodies when any of these conspirators or collaborators make Islamophobic or other racist comments. Get your family and friends on board. Make it understood that this is not just a vile attack on the elected leader of HM Opposition orchestrated by a foreign government but on the honour and integrity of the British nation itself – the same nation that fought so valiantly against the Nazis and suffered so much and which is now effectively being accused of harbouring and nurturing Nazis.

    Gloves off.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      September 5, 2018, 3:35 pm

      Ossinev, the social media approach really *is* working – people are getting much more clued up about I/P, they’ve been learning how and where to look for reliable, honest information. Places where I go there is articulate, well informed outrage about this enforced adoption of the ihra. The number of people who have got themselves properly informed has multiplied at least tenfold.
      I’d say media bias is the No1 bogeyman for its abject failure to print the truth, and magnifying the hysterical claims of right-wing neoliberals (from both major parties), also the (generally) right leaning ‘established’ Jewish organisations such as BoD, JLC, and of course the JLM. All the while ignoring Jewish voices from the left as much as possible. They also know there ‘s Israeli interference which neither the media or politicians will touch with a bargepole!
      The genie is out of the bottle.

      The latest ‘Survation’ poll (they called GE2017 correctly) taken at the end of August has Labour ahead of the Tories by 4 points.

    • amigo
      amigo
      September 5, 2018, 4:05 pm

      “The Zios have started a war on British Democracy and British Freedom of speech and have waged this on a number of fronts and using various self serving collaborators.” 0ssinev

      Just to be clear!! , The Zios have not yet started a war on Irish democracy , well not since they stole our citizens passports but I assure you they will not find a subservient or docile population in this neck of the woods.Remember, we are the nation of Jew haters, according to Israel,s apologists . We will not disappoint them.

      On the issue of digging for skeletons , I found this on Dame Hodge.

      March 26th 2018.

      “I am deeply offended by what appears to be persistent and pervasive anti-Semitism in and around the Labour Party. While Jeremy is not himself anti-Semitic, he has allowed himself to become the poster boy of anti-Semites everywhere. This is not the new politics.”

      April 2018

      “My Jewish identity has never defined my politics. My visits to Israel made me a strong critic of the Israeli Government; my secular values have kept me apart from much of the British Jewish community. But I have never felt as nervous and frightened as I feel today at being a Jew. It feels as though my Party has given permission for anti-Semitism to go unchallenged. Anti-Semitism is making me feel an outsider in my Labour Party.

      I know that that is not what the Leader of the Labour Party believes in or wants. But his failure to act swiftly and decisively has left him open to the accusation that those who allow anti-Semitic people to peddle their intolerant message are guilty by association. The answer for him must be to properly acknowledge the problem and to act resolutely to stamp out this dangerous, invasive cancer that is infecting our politics. To that I simply say: enough is enough.”

      So in April /May , Corbyn was fine . June to present not available on her blog but recall somewhere between May and the present , she went berserk, and Corbyn became a “F—–g racist Antisemite”.

      Jeremy wouldn,t kiss her posterior and can enough pro Palestinian Labour members.He also initiated an inquiry into her diatribe insults.

      Hell hath no fury like a dame scorned.

  16. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 5, 2018, 3:06 pm

    @Misterioso
    Thanks for the video link to Danon. I am certain that he said Israel “welcomes criticism”. Has he told all those Zionist operatives in the UK – their script equates criticism of Israel to Anti- Semtism . Knickers /twist etc.

    Sackur was tenacious and showed up Danon for what he is = a loathsome monotone and frankly boring Fascist. Although a pity he wasn`t able to introduce the question of Israel welcoming and encouraging the end of UNRA funding and as a possible result having to provide those funds instead. The horror of it all just think – not being able to expel the native indigenous Palestinian population in “Judea and Samaria” but having to pay for their upkeep as well.

  17. DaBakr
    DaBakr
    September 5, 2018, 3:49 pm

    And black lives matter is a racist anti-black organization. we simply can not allow those uppity british jews to decide something so important.

    • Mooser
      Mooser
      September 5, 2018, 5:09 pm

      Gee “Dabakr”, do you think BNP will abide by the IHRA guidelines?

  18. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 5, 2018, 4:11 pm
  19. catalan
    catalan
    September 5, 2018, 7:27 pm

    “the leader of Hungarian Zionist Rudolf Kasztner who has a major share of responsibility for the murder of nearly 1/2 million Jews.” Toni Greenstein
    So Toni,
    you say “major” share. What share, in percentage terms? Suppose the total is 100% – how much of that responsibility would you allocate to Adolf Hitler, Eichmann, the German military, the Hungarian police, the SS, the specific guards at Auschwitz, the German companies benefiting from the death and destruction of Jews? In this scheme of things, how big is really the share of a Hungarian Zionist named Kastner? Are you suggesting that a young Hungarian Zionist is actually responsible for concocting and implementing the destruction of European Jews? It’s nonsense – the “share” of Kastner in the final solution is patently trivial but this does display your ludicrous bias.

    • Tom Suarez
      Tom Suarez
      September 6, 2018, 12:33 am

      Hello Catalan,
      Tony may not notice your reply with his name misspelled. It’s Tony.
      You are manipulating Tony’s words. His ” 1/2 million Jews” specifically referred to Kastner’s nefarious dealings, but you falsely claim he was referring to “the destruction of European Jews”, that is, the Holocaust itself.
      Further, you suggest that Tony claimed Kastner was “concocting” that destruction, falsely insinuating that he considered the death of those Jews to have been Kastner’s actual goal. (No. That was the Nazis’ goal.)
      I’ve no doubt that these were innocent distortions of his words under the midnight oil, and that you will want to apologize for the sloppy reading comprehension.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 6, 2018, 8:45 am

        Hi Tom,
        I think you misunderstood my comment or I possibly expressed myself poorly. I took issue with Tony’s hyperbolic assertion that “Hungarian Zionist Rudolf Kasztner who has a major share of responsibility for the murder of nearly 1/2 million Jews.” The statement seems to imply that Kastner has major, say around 50 percent share in the responsibility for the death of the Hungarian Jews. What share is left that to Hitler, Hummer, Eichmann, the SS, the Russians (who helped Hitler to invade France, Norway, Denmark, Poland, etc) and all the other actual murderers?

      • Tom Suarez
        Tom Suarez
        September 6, 2018, 9:51 am

        Hello Catalan,
        Thanks for the calm clarification following my somewhat sarcastic tone.

      • Keith
        Keith
        September 6, 2018, 1:28 pm

        CATALAN- “I took issue with Tony’s hyperbolic assertion that “Hungarian Zionist Rudolf Kasztner who has a major share of responsibility for the murder of nearly 1/2 million Jews.”

        Ah, an apologist for Kastner and overall Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. Collaboration doesn’t imply the actual doing of deeds but a responsibility for the outcome of the collaboration. Share of responsibility? I quote Ralph Schoenman.

        “The culmination of Zionist betrayal was the sacrifice of Hungary’s Jews in a series of agreements between the Zionist movement and Nazi Germany which first became known in 1953. Dr. Rudolph Kastner of the Jewish Agency Rescue committee in Budapest signed a secret pact with Adolph Eichmann to “settle the Jewish question” in Hungary. This took place in 1944. The pact sealed the fate of 800,000 Jews.
        ….
        The Israeli Court came to the following conclusion: “The sacrifice of the majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents was the basic element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps, a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand.”
        ….
        “Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner’s duties were part and parcel of the S.S. In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.”
        (p53,54, “The Hidden History of Zionism,” Ralph
        Schoenman)

        Need I mention that the “prominents” rescued were Zionists? So if Kastner is, in your opinion, but a minor cog in the machinery, who, besides Hitler, should we accuse? “… the Russians….” The Russians who bore the European brunt of World War II, essentially defeating Hitler and winning the war while suffering over 20 million war dead? The Russians who liberated Auschwitz? More of Hitler’s willing executioners? And how many Polish Gentiles did the Zionists rescue from the evil Russians? You are one sick puppy.

      • catalan
        catalan
        September 6, 2018, 3:45 pm

        “The Russians who bore the European brunt of World War II, essentially defeating Hitler and winning the war while suffering over 20 million war dead?” Keith
        I should have said Stalin and his henchman. Perhaps the only sociopathic monster on par with Hitler and Mengele. I like Russia and the language the music etc. There is no denying that Stalin assisted Hitler in the conquering of Poland which indirectly doomed the Jews of Europe. The photos of the Russian soldiers shaking hands with the Nazis in the middle of Poland are there for all eternity, as is the molotov robentrop pact. The Russians then went on to commit massacres and atrocities that bely belief – specifically the Katyn massacre but may other less known ones like in Lviv. Then, during the Warsaw uprising which ended with the biggest bloodbath of the war (not the Warsaw ghetto uprising), the Russians did not provide air support which doomed the heroic Poles. Stalin of course provided vital supplies and materials to the Germans during the invasion of France and especially Norway. Stalin also did nothing when England, the great, was mercilessly attacked. Indeed, during that time there was a banquet in Berlin with Molotov being honored. Stalin bears responsibility for the war and his refusal to prepare for a German attack despite Churchill’s pleading doomed the Jews but also many other victims. Keith, I recommend Shirer and Evans for an objective view of the war.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        September 6, 2018, 4:37 pm

        And “catalan” leaps to the defense of his fellow entrepreneur.

      • Keith
        Keith
        September 6, 2018, 5:44 pm

        CATALAN- “Stalin also did nothing when England, the great, was mercilessly attacked.”

        England, the great? Attack Stalin all you want, but lauding the British empire is beyond the pale. The British empire was, over centuries, responsible for enormous death and suffering throughout the Third World. The death toll from the British induced famines in India alone exceeds anything the Russians did in Poland. If you add it all up, it comes to tens of millions of victims. Britain was Uncle Sam’s role model as to how to treat Third World peoples. And don’t forget that both Britain and the US invaded Russia following World War I, and who viewed Hitler as a moderate who would protect the West against the Bolshevik menace. A lot of history with a lot of villains. It is not just about “the Jews.” Catalan, I recommend Noam Chomsky for an objective view of Western imperialism.

  20. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    September 6, 2018, 4:38 am

    Allister Heath in the Daily Telegraph (subscription)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/05/time-expose-horrifying-logic-hard-left-anti-zionism/

    “Israel is the only truly democratic nation state in the Middle East, yet the hard-Left seeks to dismantle it”

    Articles in support of Israel in 2018 reflect European popular opposition to the project.
    They thought they didn’t need democracy.

  21. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 6, 2018, 7:37 am

    The gloves are off and the fightback has begun in the UK. Posters have appeared in London on bus stop notice boards:
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/outrage-as-posters-claiming-israel-is-a-racist-endeavour-spring-up-at-london-bus-stops-a3928681.html

    This may just be the beginning eg smaller fliers for all kinds of noticeboards in shopping centres across the country. They will of course be taken down and there will be the predictable A/S howling and whining from the Israel First community in the UK but the message will have registered with a large segment of the UK population and as the saying goes if you repeat the truth often enough people will begin to realise that it is the truth. So what will the Israel Firsters do – perhaps their own posters and leaflets along the lines of Israel is a paradise of democracy but wait a minute that would only bring unwanted attention/focus to the issue and it would of course be just as “naughty” as the “other side”.

    Meanwhile all you Labour Party members and supporters out there time to clearly call your MP`s to account with regard to their views on Israel/Palestine/Definitions of Anti-Semitism/Definitions of Apartheid. Contact your MP direcly in writing or by e- mail. Attend their surgeries,attend constuency party meetings put the questions to them and most importantly get their stated opinions and views on record. This of course should include the Hodges,the Bergers and the Manns in the Labour Party. In particular with Mr.Mann it would be appropriate to openly video him being questioned and recording his responses – he is after himself an advocate and a practitioner of this type of political dialogue viz Ken Livingstone. The Zionists/Friends of Israel amongst them will no doubt waffle on about their belief in the 2SS the standard deflection from the point so suggest if you go to a meeting bring along A4 size paper and crayons and get them to do a drawing of this supposed 2SS oh and make sure that you get it back from them and perhaps ask them to autograph it.

    They won`t like it up them !

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 6, 2018, 9:14 am

      Israel no longer controls the narrative. In the past they could point to the peace process but they killed it.

      They cannot stop peaceful protest. Buying off the elite doesn’t work. Neither will whining.

      Brett
      @599bt

      “‪#Corbyn fabatics are fanning out across London putting “Israel is a racist endeavour” posters on bus shelters. Jewish hate crimes are rising. Jews are preparing to leave. ‬

      ‪This is #racism. It’s terrifying for the UK Jewish community. It’s vile. I’m lost for words.‬”

  22. Rashers2
    Rashers2
    September 6, 2018, 8:04 am

    Just read @guyn’s comment: “… a man who has been labelled an existential threat to the British Jewish community.” ANOTHER existential threat – this time to British Jews!!! How many of `em do the Ziopaths need [to manufacture]? Frankly, being described as an “existential threat” by the sainted Israeli Minister of Education would be considered by many a badge of honour… Seldom has so much ordure been spouted by so many arrant hypocrites about so synthetic a “scandal” as Labour anti-Semitism-gate.

  23. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 6, 2018, 11:16 am

    @Amigo
    “Hell hath no fury like a dame scorned” Especially a has been dame.
    Worth a read =
    https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/what-exactly-about-state-israel-do-you-support-margaret-hodge-1380017903

    And of course if you haven`t yet seen it :
    https://jamiesternweiner.wordpress.com/2018/08/17/norman-finkelstein-to-margaret-hodge-you-havent-a-clue-what-youre-talking-about/

    Absolutely priceless Norman at his finest.

    I hope that her constituents will soon be asking awkward questions of Dame Hodge including where her primary loyalties actually lie and of course recording her answers (I do hope she resists the urge to use the f- word).

    • amigo
      amigo
      September 6, 2018, 4:18 pm

      Speaking of Dames, Joan Ryan soon to be scorned , I hope.

      a.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/anti-corbyn-mp-faces-removal-vote-fabricating-anti-semitism-charge

      If getting her removed is the only concrete achievement , then the AJ undercover investigation will have been worth the effort , imho.

      “The member of Parliament for Enfield North, Ryan has been one of Jeremy Corbyn’s bitterest opponents since he was elected leader of the Labour Party three years ago.

      The motion cites this long-running campaign as the basis for removing Ryan, stating that she has written and contributed to many articles in a “press unjustly hostile to Jeremy Corbyn. By doing so our MP has smeared his character.”

      A constant theme in Ryan’s campaign has been baseless allegations of anti-Semitism against the party under Corbyn.

      Most notoriously, at the party conference in 2016, Ryan falsely accused Labour member and Palestine solidarity activist Jean Fiztpatrick of attacking the Labour Friends of Israel stall using “anti-Semitic tropes.”

      Ryan later reported Fitzpatrick to the party’s disciplinary structures.”

      We will see if the Labour party still has some orbs left or if Dame Hodge and co start screaming Antisemitism , again even though Ryan is not Jewish.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 6, 2018, 8:48 pm

      “I hope that her constituents will soon be asking awkward questions of Dame Hodge including where her primary loyalties actually lie ”

      They can’t do that. Asking such questions would be construed as suggesting that her primary loyalty is to Israel, and that suggestion is a thought “hate” crime.

      You might expect this whole business would make Labour members ask themselves whether certain party members can be trusted to have any loyalty to the party leader, the party itself, or even the country.

      Well, you might think that. I couldn’t possibly comment. I love Big Brother.

      • amigo
        amigo
        September 6, 2018, 9:15 pm

        “They can’t do that. ” RoHa.

        Somebody needs to put some stick about.

  24. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    September 7, 2018, 5:27 am

    This is interesting, posters have gone up in various parts of London with ‘Israel is a racist endeavour’ mocking the IHRA definition and examples https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/outrage-as-posters-claiming-israel-is-a-racist-endeavour-spring-up-at-london-bus-stops-a3928681.html The posters shocked Londoners making their way home from work, with many describing them as “vile” and “terrifying”. Others claimed the adverts were a “hate crime”. So telling the truth is now a hate crime. Of course they are unauthorized and probably some would call vandalism, but I say put more posters up.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      September 7, 2018, 9:12 am

      Zionism is not good for Jews. Jews doing human rights abuses will always attract opposition. Calling this a hate crime is pathetic.

  25. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    September 7, 2018, 8:26 am

    @RoHa
    “They can’t do that. Asking such questions would be construed as suggesting that her primary loyalty is to Israel, and that suggestion is a thought “hate” crime”

    They can and I hope they will with Hodges and all the other IF moles in the Parliamentary Labour Party. What would the HedgeHodge do – phone 999. perhaps ?Yes caller how can I help. You are being attacked ! Can you tell me where you are and describe how you are being attacked. = I am at a Labour Party Constituency meeting and a woman has just asked me if my primary loyalty is to Britain or Israel it`s so hateful it`s it`s yes it`s a hate crime and a real emergency. Calm down caller. Why not just answer the question and perhaps have a nice cup of tea to settle your nerves. Bye.

  26. HarryLaw
    HarryLaw
    September 7, 2018, 11:12 am

    RoHa may profess to love big brother, but he is still critical of Israel, he never prefaces this criticism with a reference to other states. Anti Semitism example from IHRA .. “Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic”. Morocco for instance. He [RoHa] may not relish the prospect of “diversity training” in the re-education camps. but he clearly needs to go on such a course, the Jewish Labour Movement can be approached by him in this regard. RoHa, big brother is watching you and your comments, you have been warned.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      September 7, 2018, 9:37 pm

      Umm … Morocco is very bad. So is Saudi Arabia. Somalia is even worse.

      Does that help my case?

      I still love Big Brother.

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