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I demand an investigation of Moshe Feiglin for his statements inciting genocide

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On Thursday, Moshe Feiglin, a rightwing political figure, went on Channel Two in Israel and explained to broadcaster Udi Segal his plan for the Gaza Strip: ethnically cleansing it, and those who survive the IDF can then ask for refugee status in the EU.

Feiglin is a former deputy chairman of the Knesset, one of most sweet-talking Judeo-Nazis I’ve ever met. He’s been at it for over twenty years. He tried to oppose Netanyahu (he was too moderate for his tastes) in Likud, and was squashed utterly for his trouble a few years back. He’s still around, though, and still often interviewed, for reasons beyond human ken.

It should be noted Segal had no apparent problem with Feiglin’s suggestion. I did. Therefore, I wrote a letter to the Government’s Counsel and State’s Attorney.

I am certain they will pay it the same careful attention they paid to the complaint against me.

Government officials are required to answer a letter from a citizen within 14 days. We’ll see where this goes.

To

Government’s Counsel, Dr. Avihai Mendelblit

State Attorney, Mr. Shai Nitzan

Subject: Demanding an investigation under the Law For Preventing and Punishing the Crime of Genocide

Esteemed Gentlemen,

  1. Yesterday, on 15/11/18, Mr. Moshe Feiglin was interviewed in Mr. Udi Segal’s show on Channel Two, during which interview he called for an ethnic cleansing bordering on genocide against the residents of the Gaza Strip. At the end of the interview, Feiglin cynically added the survivors ought to be eligible as refugees in the European Union.
  2. Feiglin is a former senior member of the Likud Party, who furthermore served as deputy chairman of the Knesset. His words enjoy wide distribution.
  3. I wish to note Mr. Feiglin’s comments on the issue are not new. During Operation Protective Edge, on 15/7/2014, Mr. Feiglin called for an ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip, demanding the unarmed inhabitants remove themselves to the Sinai Peninsula, and demanding the Gaza Strip, cleansed of its residents, should be used for Jewish settlement. Mr. Feiglin’s comments above appear on his Facebook page, here.
  4. Feiglin’s comments were also quoted on the site of the Kol Chai radio station on 13/8/14, here.
  5. The aforementioned comments are allegedly a crime under the Law For Preventing and Punishing the Crime of Genocide, 5750-1950. The law defines genocide as an act “carried out with an attempt to destroy, whether fully or partially [my emphasis] a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.” For the purpose of this complaint, the relevant article is 3 (a) 2: Incitement to committing a genocide. The law says the punishment for incitement for genocide is the same as that of committing the crime itself; to wit, the death penalty.
  6. I wish to emphasize that the legislature considered this law to be so vital, that when the death penalty was cancelled in 1954, the Law for Preventing and Punishing the Crime of Genocide was one of the few laws excluded from the cancellation of the death penalty. And the legislature acted justly: the mind cannot conceive that a group which was subjected to genocide within living memory, among whom still live the survivors of that crime, should produce people who will rise up and demand that the most criminal of criminal acts be enacted again.
  7. Therefore, I would ask you to instruct the relevant unit of the National Police to investigate Mr. Feiglin under suspicion of violating the aforementioned article 3 (a) 2, so that a law considered central by the founders of the state would not become a dead letter.
  8. Despite the above, be advised that I oppose the death penalty, and therefore, assuming you will indict Mr. Feiglin, I ask the prosecution will decline to demand the death penalty.

Your reply would be appreciated.

Sincerely,

Yossef Zvi Gurvitz

 

 

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    November 17, 2018, 12:31 pm

    Great idea! And it would not be a bad idea for someone to suggest a similar action to a court outside Israel. Perhaps some country with extra-territorial jurisdiction if any such remain.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      November 19, 2018, 9:31 am

      @Pabelmont, et al

      Meanwhile:
      https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israel-s-suicidal-passion-for-tribal-nationalism-1.6657209?utm_term=20181116-02%3A26&utm_campaign=Zeev+Sternhell&utm_medium=email&writerAlerts=true&utm_source=smartfocus&utm_content=www.haaretz.com%2Fopinion%2F1.6657209

      Opinion “Israel’s Suicidal Passion for Tribal Nationalism”

      “The fate of the Jews has been tied to the fate of liberal values, and yet the levels of racist tribal nationalism reached here are incomparable, even to those of the chauvinists in the West we increasingly treat as allies.”
      By Zeev Sternhell
      Nov 16, 2018, Haaretz

      “Since the French Revolution, the fate of the Jews has been tied to the fate of liberal values. Wherever human rights and equality were preserved, life was better for the Jews. And wherever racist tribal nationalism, which began to develop in the late 19th century, arose, the danger for Jews increased. This nationalism became an inexhaustible source of vicious anti-Semitism and the greatest enemy the Jewish people had ever known. By the turn of the 20th century, the Jews understood (and they understand it today, too) that the politics of hate, hostility, fear and denial of the other advanced by the radical right poses a mortal danger.

      “It’s no coincidence that a majority of Jews in America vote Democratic and that most Jews in Europe vote for the liberal-conservative right, center and left. Bear in mind that in Israeli terms, the European conservative right is like the radical left in disguise: Who could imagine the conservatives in England, France or Germany passing laws like the nation-state law or the cultural loyalty law? Who there would call a political rival a ‘traitor’?

      “In Europe, Ayelet Shaked and Miri Regev would be considered much worse than Marine Le Pen, and they are. It’s hard to understand why we boycott the Austrian foreign minister when the aforementioned ministers serve in the Israeli cabinet and Bezalel Smotrich is the deputy speaker of the Knesset.

      “Unlike the Israelis who bask in their military power and their control of the apartheid colony they’ve set up in the territories, most of the world’s Jews understand that the politics of polarization, denying human rights and hatred for the other is a recipe for disaster. They know that it is in their supreme interest to always defend an open and pluralistic society.

      “Not by chance were the Jews an important component in Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition, and not by chance were so many Jewish students part of the American civil rights movement in the sixties. When Roosevelt began changing the face of America, the French prime minister, Jewish socialist Léon Blum (called “the Talmudist” by the anti-Semites), headed the liberal-socialist-communist Popular Front. He reined in the right and instituted social reforms that were very progressive for the time.

      “White European and American racism is anti-Semitic even when it is pro-Israel. There were plenty of Israel-loving anti-Semites in France during and after the Algerian war, and today they flourish under our new allies – the racists and nationalists from Eastern Europe and Trump’s Republicans. For all of them, Israel serves as ideological and moral cover in the court of world opinion.

      “They admire Israeli bullying and our cynical assertions that the Palestinians have no right to self-determination and freedom or ownership of the land they live on, because it was promised to us 3,000 years ago. Especially when this divine promise is now backed up with missiles, tanks and planes.

      “The nationalists from Eastern Europe know that to win their support, Benjamin Netanyahu is ready to sell the Holocaust and distort history. When Israeli historians were outraged by the Polish document on the Holocaust, Netanyahu promised that their protest would be taken into account. These were mere words because to him, the Poles’ support for the fight against the liberal Western wing of the European Union matters more.”

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 19, 2018, 10:56 am

        … “Unlike the Israelis who bask in their military power and their control of the apartheid colony they’ve set up in the territories, most of the world’s Jews understand that the politics of polarization, denying human rights and hatred for the other is a recipe for disaster. They know that it is in their supreme interest to always defend an open and pluralistic society. …

        And yet according to Zionists most of the world’s Jews choose to be Jewish supremacists (Zionists) and to advocate, engage in, support and/or defend:
        – Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; and
        – some level of “necessary evil” required to secure it.

    • Rashers2
      Rashers2
      November 19, 2018, 2:03 pm

      @pabelmont, “…to suggest a similar action to a court outside Israel. Perhaps some country with extra-territorial jurisdiction if any such remain.” The only significant country in the world which believes it enjoys extra-territorial jurisdiction is the sainted US of A, which will labour under this delusion until one or more other global economic powerhouse(s) – perhaps it could be China – has had enough of Uncle Shem’s legislating for other nations’ behaviour/trade/international relations and turns round with the message, “Mind your own business. How dare you presume to legislate on matters which are within our sole, sovereign gift? Btw, meet the world’s new reserve currency. Clue: it ain’t the US dollar and it doesn’t clear through New York. Swing on that, a***hole!” I paraphrase, of course, in the interests of diplomatic convention and nicety.
      The courts which have genuinely international jurisdiction, such as the ICC and ICJ, are part of that rules-based, post-1945 framework for the conduct of governments’ relations with fellow governments and for the enforcement of certain fundamental principles of right and wrong which, with the USA and Israel in the van, dictatorial regimes such as Russia’s are busy trashing, ignoring, undermining, shredding and consigning to the dustbin of history preparatory to pouring petrol into it and setting the bin afire.
      Israel treats rules-based conduct and the institutions which exist to uphold it with utter contempt because they represent a threat to Israel’s ability to do whatever its politicians want to whomever they choose, without limitation. Consequently, any institution which, were its writ to extend to Israel, might curb or modify Israel’s behaviour or circumscribe its impunity is inherently anti-Semitic. Anyone who doesn’t understand and accept this last point is at serious risk of breaching the IHRA guidelines so please commit to memory.

      • punterweger
        punterweger
        November 19, 2018, 9:43 pm

        @Rasher2: “…the only significant country in the world which believes it enjoys extra-territorial jurisdiction is the sainted US of A …” – simply not true. Spanish investigative judge Baltasar Garzon issued an arrest warrant for Augusto Pinochet, who was subsequently detained In London (although ultimately released). Belgium also supports “universal” jurisdiction for certain crimes. Perhaps, in your eyes, these are “insignificant” countries.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        November 20, 2018, 11:04 am

        @punterweger

        The case of the Spanish judge is not a similar situation to the US applying it’s laws on an external/international basis.

        The Spanish judge was upholding international law and acting within agreed limits as established by both the law and treaty.

        https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter44_rule157

        The US application of it’s laws externally is not covered or upheld by any treaty or international agreement.

      • Rashers2
        Rashers2
        November 20, 2018, 1:12 pm

        Thank you, @oldgeezer. I know of the Pinochet case; although it’s a number of decades since studying Public International Law, I am aware, too, of the distinction between countries such as the USA, which seek to impose their domestic legislation/court decisions on an undeserving and reluctant world; and counties such as Spain (and Belgium) which recognise the universality of certain extreme behaviours and respect the machinery set up to deal with them according to intnernationally-accepted judicial principles.
        @punerweger appears, with respect to him/her, to be comparing apples with pears, rather than with apples.

  2. annie
    annie
    November 17, 2018, 1:23 pm

    the link to Feiglin’s facebook page is in hebrew, given the date cited i assume it is the same or similar speech he gave at that time which i partially transcribed here along with another video from the year before. : https://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/million-palestinians-feiglin/

    note the audience applause. this grotesque person and his ideas are supported by lots of israelis and he has the support of americans too like the american rabbi interviewing him (in the other video at that link) Mark S. Golub, who introduces feiglin as a “wonderful voice”.

  3. oldgeezer
    oldgeezer
    November 17, 2018, 9:07 pm

    Not even the first a senior Israeli government member has called for genocide.
    I don’t think it’s conceivable that any official could survive the repercussions of a call to genocide in a Western nation.

    I exclude both the US and Israel from this. Both trains have left the tracks.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 17, 2018, 11:52 pm

      You are so right. The u.s. will do nothing. The u.n. maybe? feiglin’s timing is so ironic, within days HOT reaired Conspiracy and the sabbath closed out with a series on the history channel called Total War.

      Yossi, could you start a petition with this letter, to reach worldwide attention?

  4. eljay
    eljay
    November 19, 2018, 7:41 am

    On Thursday, Moshe Feiglin, a rightwing political figure, went on Channel Two in Israel and explained to broadcaster Udi Segal his plan for the Gaza Strip: ethnically cleansing it, and those who survive the IDF can then ask for refugee status in the EU. …

    Mr. Feiglin’s plan is hateful and immoral and based on two of Zionism’s core tenets:
    – Jews are entitled to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; and
    – Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

  5. ezragilbert
    ezragilbert
    November 19, 2018, 9:13 am

    What a ridiculous post. Moshe Feiglin is talking about voluntary immigration and a path to citizenship. Far from genocide it is one of the few humane solutions. Anyone who reads the Zehut platform can see that. Its time someone save the Gazans from Hamas. Eighty percent want to leave. Whenever Egypt opens the Rafah crossing tens of thousands leave to seek a better life. Its time to start a Free the Gazans movement. They have suffered enough under Hamas.

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 19, 2018, 9:41 am

      || ezragilbert: … Its time to start a Free the Gazans movement. They have suffered enough under Hamas. ||

      More importantly, it’s time for a Free Palestine movement with strong international support. The Palestinians have suffered enough Israeli military occupation, colonialism and supremacism.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      November 19, 2018, 10:39 am

      @ezrailbert

      Nonsense!!
      It’s long since time that the entity known as “Israel” cease oppressing and dispossessing the indigenous Palestinians and end its illegal/brutal occupation of the Gaza Strip.

      “Human Rights Watch, 2005: “…Israel will continue to be an Occupying Power [of the Gaza Strip] under international law and bound by the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention because it will retain effective control over the territory and over crucial aspects of civilian life. Israel will not be withdrawing and handing power over to a sovereign authority – indeed, the word ‘withdrawal’ does not appear in the [2005 disengagement] document at all… The IDF will retain control over Gaza’s borders, coastline, and airspace, and will reserve the right to enter Gaza at will. According to the Hague Regulations, ‘A territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised’. International jurisprudence has clarified that the mere repositioning of troops is not sufficient to relieve an occupier of its responsibilities if it retains its overall authority and the ability to reassert direct control at will.”

      To quote Dov Weisglass, then PM Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser:
      “‘The significance of the [proposed] disengagement plan [implemented in 2005] is the freezing of the peace process,’ Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s senior adviser Dov Weisglass has told Ha’aretz. ‘And when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda….’ Weisglass, who was one of the initiators of the disengagement plan, was speaking in an interview with Ha’aretz for the Friday Magazine. ‘The disengagement is actually formaldehyde,’ he said. ‘It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.’” (Top PM Aide: Gaza Plan Aims to Freeze the Peace Process, Ha’aretz, October 6, 2004)

      The International Committee of the Red Cross: “The whole of Gaza’s civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel’s obligations under international humanitarian law. The Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, ratified by Israel, bans collective punishment of a civilian population.”

      “In practice, Gaza has become a huge, let me be blunt, concentration camp for right now 1,800,000 people” – Amira Hass, 2015, correspondent for Haaretz, speaking at the Forum for Scholars and Publics at Duke University.

      “Israel” has ignored repeated peace overtures from Hamas:
      On 16 June 2009, after meeting with former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, Ismail Haniya, prime minister of Hamas’s Gaza Strip government, announced that “If there is a real plan to resolve the Palestinian question on the basis of the creation of a Palestinian state within the borders of June 4, 1967 [i.e. 22% of historic Palestine] and with full sovereignty, we are in favour of it.” No response from “Israel.”

      “‘We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,’ Haniyeh said, referring to the year of Middle East war in which Israel captured East Jerusalem and the Palestinian territories.” (Haaretz, December 1, 2010) No response from “Israel.” (By calling for a “resolution of the issue of refugees,” Haniyeh was in accordance with UNGA Res. 194, the 1947 Partition Plan, which calls for financial compensation as an option for the Palestinian refugees rather than their inalienable “Right of Return.”)

      In its revised Charter, April, 2017, Hamas again agreed to a Palestinian state based on the 4 June 1967 borders. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, “Israel” promptly rejected the Hamas overture instead of using it to open a dialogue.

      “Senior Hamas Official: ‘I Think We Can All Live Here in This Land – Muslims, Christians and Jews.’” (By Nir Gontarz. March 28, 2018, Haaretz.) Again, no response from “Israel.”

      As for Netanyahu and the Likud party, here’s a brief summation of their positions that are contrary to international law and explain why the conflict continues:
      The Likud Party Platform:
      a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State [sic] of Israel.”
      b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State [sic] of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
      c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
      d. “…. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State [sic] of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

      • MHughes976
        MHughes976
        November 19, 2018, 4:34 pm

        The expression of intention to conquer a territory and to promote the departure of the inhabitants from their homes is the intention to do something which brings at least a degree of serious harm to those people. The further intention to facilitate their departure by giving them some money is clearly helpful to those planning to do the harm if it lessens resistance to their plans – and it is only in a strange sense that helping in the infliction of harm can be said to help those harmed. It is true that providing money is better than providing nothing and it is true that the people who depart may have a life that is in some ways better than the life they left behind, though a certain pain and humiliation is visited on them by the same process.
        The better alternative would be the provision of the two good things, a life better than now and some money, by means of an agreement that would let them stay at home. Promotion of the worse rather than the better alternative is overall to harm, not to help.

    • amigo
      amigo
      November 19, 2018, 11:22 am

      “Whenever Egypt opens the Rafah crossing tens of thousands leave to seek a better life. ” ezragilbert

      Evidence please.

      Son , Egypt has no intention of allowing 2 million Palestinians to enter their territory. Al Sisi views all Gazans as brothers of the Brotherhood .

      BTW , most of the Palestinians who visit Egypt do so on a short term basis to get medical help or necessary supplies.

      Hasbara central sends us another raw recruit to spew hasbara.

      • ezragilbert
        ezragilbert
        November 19, 2018, 4:42 pm

        See evidence in my reply below. By the way, Egypt does need to let them settle. They will pass through Egypt like the Syrian refugees passed through Turkey and settle in host countries around the world – just like the Syrians. Even more countries will gladly take them in especially when they arrive with a generous financial package (cash) that is a direct economic stimulous to the absorbing country.

      • annie
        annie
        November 19, 2018, 5:05 pm

        it’s not very logical to suggest, after so many decades, millions of palestinians want to leave palestine.

        i’m sure ‘countries will gladly take jews in, especially when they arrive with a generous financial package (cash) that is a direct economic stimulus to the absorbing country’, but that’s a far cry from suggesting millions of jews would leave israel.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 19, 2018, 10:19 pm

        ” settle in host countries around the world – just like the Syrians.”

        In case you haven’t noticed, neither Australia nor most European countries want any more immigrants, and especially not from the Middle East. Nor are those countries in such dire need of money that they can be easily bribed into taking the Palestinians.

        The general attitude is “Let them sort out their own countries.” Unfortunately for the Palestinians, their own country has been taken from them.

    • Bumblebye
      Bumblebye
      November 19, 2018, 12:50 pm

      Ezra, that 80%, hmmm. Those would be the non-Gazans who want to return to their homes, villages, farms, etc stolen from them in what is now renamed “israel”, right?

    • Rashers2
      Rashers2
      November 19, 2018, 2:46 pm

      @ezragilbert, you’re early this year: fairy tales usually appear around Christmastime in the West. “Its [sic] time to start a Free the Gazans movement.” News for you: there already is one and it’s espoused by all who oppose the illegal Occupation of Palestine; for the illegal Gazan blockade is part of the illegal Occupation. Ziopathy must be the ONLY psychosis capable of leading to the rationalisation that Hamas bears primary responsibility for Gaza’s becoming the world’s most-populous-ever KZ.
      Furthermore, “Eighty percent want to leave. Whenever Egypt opens the Rafah crossing tens of thousands leave to seek a better life.” I’ve no idea whether the statistic cited is correct but I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt because it wouldn’t remotely surprise me! If I were a Gazan, I’d want to leave: not because I hate the place or because I’ve suddenly “lost” my self-identity as a Palestinian but because my life there, by any normal measure, is barely tolerable. My insufficient water supply is dangerously polluted, my coastal waters (those to which I’m not illegally denied access) are an open sewer, my electricity supply works around one-sixth of the time, my captors allow barely sufficient food to be imported to forefend starvation, my infrastructure and my home/my fellow prisoners’ homes are in ruins from my captors’ successive aerial bombardments, my captors don’t allow adequate medical supplies into my prison, numerous of my schools and prison hospitals have been deliberately destroyed by my captors, I’m prevented from travelling and I’m not allowed visitors. What’s not to like?
      And, of course, Moshe Feiglin, MK is a big-hearted humanitarian with only the Gazans’ future welfare at heart – he’s well-known for it in Israel and around the globe.

    • ezragilbert
      ezragilbert
      November 19, 2018, 3:31 pm

      For those asking for proof that Gazans want to leave Gaza and seek a better life see references below (here are just a few – there are many more):

      https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/indepth/2018/7/17/thousands-abandon-blockaded-strip-as-egypt-opens-crossing

      “After the Muslim holy month of Ramadan ended on June 14, Egypt, unconventionally, announced that the Rafah border crossing will remain open for two months.
      Following the announcement, thousands of Gazans, who have been hit hard by the sharply deteriorating economic and living conditions, rushed to leave the Gaza Strip, some of whom have been waiting for the opportunity for years.

      The border crossing normally only opens on average three to four times a year …

      Egyptian authorities initially opened the crossing on May 18, and then extended it for another two months after Ramadan, allowing around 400-500 people to cross per day.

      Since then, at least 19,000 people are estimated to have left the Strip, but the eagerness to leave comes as no surprise.”

      https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/MAGAZINE-as-egypt-opens-gaza-border-a-harsh-reality-is-laid-bare-1.6118258

      “Al-Shaer comes from a typical Gaza family where those who are able to leave seek their fortunes abroad. Three of his brothers work in Saudi Arabia and one in Bahrain. He left Gaza in 2005, before the blockade, settling in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. For the past year, he has worked as the personal chauffeur of a corporate executive.”

      https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/world/middleeast/as-gazas-plight-worsens-palestinian-businesses-leave.html?nytmobile=0

      “GAZA, July 3 – When Israel left the Gaza Strip last year, Palestinian business executives dreamed of new investments, humming factories and an economic revival. Instead, conditions deteriorated so sharply that some of Gaza’s leading industrialists have packed up and moved their operations to Egypt and other Arab states.

      The inability of the Hamas-led government to pay public workers has received much attention, but the financial crisis in the private sector is similarly acute, with dozens of factories closing or relocating to neighboring countries.

      “These are successful businessmen who survived many difficult years when the Israelis were in Gaza,” said Wadie el-Masri, the general manager of an industrial park near the Karni crossing, where goods cross to and from Israel. “Now the situation is worse than ever, and many are leaving. This shows how bad the environment is.””

      http://pcpsr.org/en/node/723

      “Findings show that the percentage of Gazans who say they seek to immigrate to other countries stands at 45%; in the West Bank, the percentage stands at 19%. Three months ago, 41% of Gazans and 22% of West Bankers indicated that they seek to immigrate.”

      That poll is from 20 March 2018 from the Palestinians themselves. While short of the 80% I mentioned, there are many reasons why the Palestinian survey may not reflect how many actually would like to leave. But even if its “just” FORTY FIVE percent of the entire Gazan population. That is enormous and they should be allowed to leave.

      To all of you who claim to care about Gazans, I don’t know why this is news to you. What is more important to you: beating the Israelis or helping the Gazans seek better lives and get out of harms way? Regardless of who is to blame, they have been suffering for years and like any human being, deserve better.

      As far as I know, Moshe Feiglin and Zehut are the only international organization willing to assist any Gazan who has expressed the desire to emigrate by providing a generous financial package, help finding an absorption country, even help finding a job! And Yossi Gurvitz and other posters here have the chutzpah to call that Genocide? Again, do you want to help the Gazans or are you completely focused on beating the Zionists?

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 19, 2018, 4:37 pm

        You wrote !!

        “The border crossing normally only opens on average three to four times a year …”

        Nice bit of editing –you left out the real meaty part.

        “The border crossing normally only opens on average three to four times a year and is crucial to deliver aid to civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip, where Israel has maintained a crippling siege for more than a decade. Human rights groups say it amounts to collective punishment of Gaza’s two million residents.”

        You also left out the statement that the Rafah Crossing opened for only 3 days in the whole of 2016.

        Go pull someone else,s leg mister.Some of us fact check zionist links.One has to , they are liars by default.

        You could care less about Gazans or any Palestinians.Cut the bs.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 19, 2018, 5:04 pm

        Ezra —Move along Troll.

      • annie
        annie
        November 19, 2018, 5:15 pm

        When Israel left the Gaza Strip last year, Palestinian business executives dreamed of new investments, humming factories and an economic revival. Instead, conditions deteriorated so sharply that some of Gaza’s leading industrialists have packed up and moved their operations to Egypt and other Arab states.

        what a coincidence you dragged up this 2006 article at a time when kushner’s “new deal” coincides with israel’s suggestion all the infrastructure money dedicated to gaza be invested in the sinai instead.

        it’s kind of transparent how we’re hearing israel’s wet dream (that egypt essentially take all the palestinians in gaza and replant them in the sinai, as well as the west bank palestinians being pushed off to jordan) as some sort of palestinian desire. hasbara central should do a rethink.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 19, 2018, 5:20 pm

        ” Again, do you want to help the Gazans or are you completely focused on beating the Zionists?”ezragilbert.

        I am focused on helping Palestinians (Gaza or the WB ) defeat zionism .

        You are focused on ethnically cleansing Palestinians and aiding and abetting the zionists in the crime of genocide.

        So don,t question my motives as they are about Justice and equality for all.

        Why are zionists so lacking in morals or honour or common decency.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 19, 2018, 10:23 pm

        “As far as I know, Moshe Feiglin and Zehut are the only international organization”

        International? I thought they were Israeli only.

        ” willing to assist any Gazan who has expressed the desire to emigrate by providing a generous financial package, help finding an absorption country, even help finding a job! ”

        Why not assist Gazans to resettle in Israel, with a generous financial package and even help finding a job?

        That way, Israel could take care of the problem it has created instead of foisting it off onto other countries.

      • ezragilbert
        ezragilbert
        November 20, 2018, 12:10 am

        You wrote, “I am focused on helping Palestinians (Gaza or the WB ) defeat zionism .”

        You just admitted that defeating Zionism is more important to you than saving and improving Palestinian lives. How can you claim to support Gazans if you are against helping those that want to leave? I showed a fact that at least 45% want to leave. That means unless you change your attitude you are against almost half of Gaza.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 20, 2018, 12:46 pm

        || ezragilbert: … You just admitted that defeating Zionism is more important to you than saving and improving Palestinian lives. … ||

        And you just admitted that defending Jewish / “Jewish State” colonialism, (war) criminality and religion-based supremacism is more important than defending justice, equality and human rights.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      November 19, 2018, 8:19 pm

      “Moshe Feiglin is talking about voluntary immigration and a path to citizenship. ”

      So he’s suggesting that the Gazans migrate into Israel and become full Israeli citizens, as they should be? That is excellent.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 20, 2018, 12:32 pm

        “You just admitted that defeating Zionism is more important to you than saving and improving Palestinian lives. ” ezragilbert

        No , I did not admit that.

        Defeating zionism will save and improve all Palestinians lives.

        Zionism is a curse and needs to be defeated.Zionism is a racist construct and needs to be eradicated —completely .

        I suggest you address your comprehension problems fella.

  6. amigo
    amigo
    November 19, 2018, 11:48 am

    Feiglin is a criminal thug and should be barred from entering civilised nations.

    On mature reflection , he should be invited to travel and then arrested and locked up and then face trial for incitement to Genocide, among all the other crimes he has committed. Rendition to Gaza would be an appropriate end for this sub human .

    I wonder how brave and outspoken this Hero would be under those circumstances.

  7. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    November 19, 2018, 1:20 pm

    A press release from his organisation talks of ‘generous assistance’ for people in Gaza willing to leave after ‘reconquest’ – I think that’s the term he uses and I think that the date was November 12. He has been saying that sort of thing for years, sometimes adding that 90% of those in Gaza want out and that there would be a narrow path to citizenship for a very few of the remainers. This is surely what Zionism really calls for – massive population transfer with compensation enough to make it seem ‘humane’ to those ready to be convinced, plus a small remnant proving to all eternity that Zionists are not Nazis. ‘Transfer’ of course is a word which is presented as innocuous, part of calm planning, whereas ‘transport’ is so Nazi as to be hardly fit for utterance in any such context.
    The lawyers will dispute what ‘genocide’ is but I would have thought that by any standards the mass of people in Gaza are there legitimately, so that there cannot be a right to exercise sovereign power to induce leaving and that leaving in any such circumstances would be an infliction whose cruel nature anyone can sense.

    • amigo
      amigo
      November 19, 2018, 4:52 pm

      “He has been saying that sort of thing for years, sometimes adding that 90% of those in Gaza want out”.MHughes976

      Code for keep attacking and bombing them so we can get them all to leave.Interesting how zionists like him and this zio come lately –ezra , insult Palestinians by suggesting they will leave their homeland for the right price and pretending it is out of care for them.

      Didn,t Eunoch Powell pull a stunt like that in the 60,s.He and Farage would have hit it off big on the Brexit issue.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    November 19, 2018, 4:14 pm

    “But even if its “just” FORTY FIVE percent of the entire Gazan population. That is enormous and they should be allowed to leave.”.

    Don,t they teach you to read at hasbara central.

    I told you that Egypt has no intentions of allowing that many Palestinians into Egypt.

    Better spend your time complaining to the regime in Egypt.

    As to your statement about paying Palestinians to leave their homes after Israel has bombed the hell out of them on four major occasions is beneath the lowest of the low.

    How would it work if Jews were offered Money to leave their homes so others could move into them.

    You won,t last long here buster. Bigots/racists are not welcome.

    • ezragilbert
      ezragilbert
      November 20, 2018, 12:03 am

      Guys you can call me a Zionist, a bigot, a racist, and a troll but thats not dealing with the facts. I just proved to you many Gazans want to emigrate out of a war zone. Moshe Feiglin wants to help them. Period. That’s humanitarian and should be commended by anyone who wants to help the Palestinians and not just use them as a weapon to attack Israel.

      And by the way, personal attacks are not welcome so I suggest you tone it down:

      “4. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.”

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 20, 2018, 12:47 pm

        “Guys you can call me a Zionist, a bigot, a racist, and a troll but thats not dealing with the facts” ezragilbert.

        Those are the facts and you are incapable of dealing with them.

        “And by the way, personal attacks are not welcome so I suggest you tone it down:” ezragilbert

        Calling you out for being a racist bigot is not a personal attack.It is the truth.

        Claiming that paying people to leave their homeland so Israel can put more illegal Israeli squatters in their place is a “humanitarian” act is not only racist , it is criminal and offensive to all people who believe in Justice and the maintenance of International Law.It is also the product of a twisted mind.

        Hardly in line with traditional Jewish values.

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