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Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, will renew its debate next week over a bill that would seek the death penalty for Palestinians accused of “terrorism,” after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman announced their support to advance the bill earlier this week.

The bill was introduced in 2017 by Lieberman’s right-wing Yisrael Beitenu party, and passed its first reading in the Knesset by a vote of 52 to 49 in January 2018.

Despite being stalled since January due to opposition from Israel’s internal intelligence agency, the Shin Bet, and the Israeli military, Netanyahu told Israeli army radio on Monday that the opposition of the country’s security establishment should not stop the bill from being pushed through.

Lieberman vowed on Tuesday that the bill would be passed into law, posting on Twitter “After over three years of a stubborn struggle, the death penalty for terrorists law will finally be brought to the law committee next Wednesday (November 14), and then for its first reading in the Knesset plenum.”

“We won’t relent or stop until completing the mission,” he continued.

Lieberman and other right-wing politicians have previously argued that the bill would act as  a deterrent to Palestinians who commit attacks against Israelis, and in 2017 called for the death penalty to be used against a 19-year-old Palestinian who stabbed and killed three Israeli settlers.

Though Israel abolished the use of capital punishment for murder in civil courts in 1954, it can still be applied in theory to cases of war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, treason and crimes against the Jewish people.

The last execution carried out by Israel took place in 1962, when Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann was hanged.

However, under Israeli military law — the system which Palestinians are charged and tried under — capital punishment can be applied to an individual who is convicted of killing an Israeli, though it requires a unanimous ruling from a court with three judges, according to Palestinian prisoners rights group Addameer.

Additionally, the current law as it stands requires that the military prosecutor request the death penalty, which has not been recorded as happening before.

The current bill being proposed would lower the threshold of the current law and require a simple majority amongst three judges. It would also prohibit the commutation of a death sentence, and would not require that the military prosecutor request the death penalty.

According to  Addameer, the bill will include an amendment that would also allow Israeli criminal courts to hand down death sentences.

In a statement on Monday Addameer expressed concern that if passed, the bill will result in an increase in cases where the death penalty is sought, adding that it “will represent contravention of Israel’s obligations under international law and will go against accepted international norms.”

“Under the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 6, the death penalty cannot be handed down in instances where a fair trial has not been guaranteed,” Addameer noted, adding that Israel’s military court system “has been broadly demonstrated to not be meeting the international standards of a fair trial, and therefore cannot hand down the death sentence.”

Israeli military courts have a self-reported conviction rate of 99.74%, and have been termed by rights groups as “kangaroo courts.”

Local rights groups have argued that while the courts were established in order to work in tandem with local institutions, they are instead used as a tool of domination and the extension of Israeli sovereignty to the permanently occupied territory.

There are currently 5,640 Palestinian prisoners being held in Israeli prisons, of whom 465 are in administrative detention, 53 are female prisoners, 270 are child prisoners, and 50 are under the age of 16.

“This bill represents the continuation of a policy of systematic discrimination against the Palestinian people,” Addameer said on Monday, “In a situation where the occupying power has final say over their rights, the move towards mainstreaming the death penalty represents a grave infraction on the humanity of the Palestinian people.”

Israeli authorities have long been criticized for what right groups have deemed as “collective punishment” policies against Palestinians accused of “terrorist attacks” and their families, which take place in the form of punitive home demolitions and the cancellation of Israeli work permits.

Despite arguing that punitive home demolitions and similar policies of collective punishment deter Palestinians from carrying out attacks on Israeli security personnel and civilians, Israeli NGO B’Tselem has reported that “the state has never presented any figures to prove that the demolitions do, in fact, deter Palestinians from carrying out attacks, nor has it ever been pressed to do so.

“Without proof of efficacy, the utilitarian justification for such an extreme and injurious measure is lost,” the group said.

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  1. eljay
    eljay
    November 6, 2018, 10:16 am

    … Lieberman and other right-wing politicians have previously argued that the bill would act as a deterrent to Palestinians who commit attacks against Israelis, and in 2017 called for the death penalty to be used against a 19-year-old Palestinian who stabbed and killed three Israeli settlers. …

    I suppose when the rapist gets tired of simply beating the chained victims who attack him he’ll do like Israel and impose a death penalty.

    Anyway, what about Jewish Israelis who commit attacks against non-Jewish Israelis or against not-Israelis: Will they be put to death, too? Or will this law anti-Semitically “single out” Jews for special, non-death treatment?

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      November 6, 2018, 7:23 pm

      It’s typical far right bullshit.
      Nothing can secure the occupation.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      November 7, 2018, 11:03 am

      @eljay, et al

      It’s Nazi occupied France all over again. Needless to say, the horrible irony is overwhelming.

  2. Kay24
    Kay24
    November 6, 2018, 1:34 pm

    So it looks like Crooked Bibi is making the rounds visiting one Muslim nation after another.
    What is the crook trying to do, gather a coalition to attack Iran? Bibi visits Oman, and Regev
    desecrates the Sheikh Zayed Mosque in Abu Dhabi:

    “The new normal?
    Israel’s prime minister visits Oman, an Arab monarchy—and is welcomed

    Two unusual photographs have been making the rounds on Arab social media. The first (pictured) is of Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, being received by Sultan Qaboos of Oman at his palace in Muscat on October 26th. The second, taken three days later, is of Israel’s culture and sports minister, Miri Regev, with Emirati officials at the Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque in Abu Dhabi. Responses to the photographs ranged from positive surprise to angry bemusement. Arabs, though, should get used to such scenes.” The Economist

  3. amigo
    amigo
    November 6, 2018, 2:09 pm

    “Accused of Terrorism”.

    No trial , no hearing .Just take the word of any Jewish Israeli and save all that money by avoiding due process.

    Come to think of it, not much difference between this and shooting on sight , apart from attempting to sanitize Israel,s image.

    This from the “only democracy “in the ME and most definitely not , Apartheid Regime.

    • Maghlawatan
      Maghlawatan
      November 6, 2018, 7:26 pm

      The Zionists are so similar to our friends in the north of Ireland. You can take the man out of the settler colony but you can’t take the settler colony out of the man.

      Alan MacLeod

      @alan_macleod
      ·
      20h

      But in the interests of all, the British government must not allow itself to get into that position, driven by those who demand recognition for their identity but reject recognition of others.

      • DaBakr
        DaBakr
        November 10, 2018, 1:19 pm

        @mg

        Right. Your all about identity politics except when your not.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 10, 2018, 8:52 pm

        Dabakr

        Settler identities are makey uppy.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 7, 2018, 12:28 am

      Reminds me of the show trials and murders of women ‘accused’ of witchcraft. Or black american men ‘accused’ of rape, disrespect, loitering, talking back to a white man, looking at a white woman, or the white person felt ‘uncomfortable’- this in 2018 . The insecurity of the white man in amerikkka and in israel has horrific consequences for non-whites. This minority has had control of the entire world for centuries. I hope I live to see the end of their control.

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 8, 2018, 4:23 pm

      Israel was ranked 29 out of 167 on The Economist’s Democracy Index.
      That’s better than Belgium, Greece, Cyprus & at least a dozen other European countries.

      Apartheid in Israel???
      Where are the separate bath rooms & water fountains?
      Why are there Arabs in the Israeli Parliament & on the Israeli Supreme Court?

      • annie
        annie
        November 8, 2018, 5:25 pm

        NO, it’s #30 and .01 above belgium. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
        but more importantly the rankings were based on 5 categories. what dragged belgium and esotonia down was “political participation”, people not voting (5.00, 6.11). whereas, what dragged down israel’s numbers (into the “flawed democracy” category) was“civil liberties” (5.88). note #29 and #31, esotonia and belgium, the countries closest to israel, both score 8.35 in civil liberties.

        and as you scroll down the list of countries to find another as low as 5.88, you have to go down to tunisia #69 to find another in the 5 range in civil liberties. in fact, tunisia is the only other country in the democracies and flawed democracy categories (the first 76 countries) with a civil liberties score as low as israel’s.

        That’s better than Belgium, Greece, Cyprus & at least a dozen other European countries.

        and to find the next that low you have to scroll down to the “hybrid regimes” of #79 georgia and #81 fiji, then #92 bangladesh. greece and cyprus? their civil liberties scores blow israel out of the water respectively @ 8.53 and 8.82. and that was before israel’s nation state law. i don’t doubt 2018 israel will sink lower on the list.

        and hysterically, israel’s highest score (9.17) was in “Electoral process and pluralism”. pluralism?? seriously. depends on how one defines “co-existence” i suppose. but co-existence where only one group has national rights is simply not democratic.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 8, 2018, 5:48 pm

        “Israel was ranked 29 out of 167 on The Economist’s Democracy Index.
        That’s better than Belgium, Greece, Cyprus & at least a dozen other European countries.” m1945

        Hold on there m1945.Israel is listed as a FLAWED democracy along with 56 other countries.

        There are only 19 fully democratic countries in the world and Apartheid Israel is no where near that list.

        “There are only 19 “fully democratic” countries in the world and the US is not one of them. In fact, nearly all of those countries are based in Europe, according to the latest edition of The Economist Intelligence Unit’s annual Democracy Index.

        The index provides a snapshot of the state of democracy worldwide in 2017 by looking at 167 countries, excluding only micro-states. The EIU says the countries in the index include nearly the entire estimated world population. It found that full democracies only cover 4.5% of the world’s people.
        Countries considered “full democracies” Overall score Rank
        Norway 9.87 1
        Iceland 9.58 2
        Sweden 9.39 3
        New Zealand 9.26 4
        Denmark 9.22 5
        Ireland 9.15 6
        Canada 9.15 6
        Australia 9.09 8
        Finland 9.03 9
        Switzerland 9.03 9
        Netherlands 8.89 11
        Luxembourg 8.81 12
        Germany 8.61 13
        United Kingdom 8.53 14
        Austria 8.42 15
        Mauritius 8.22 16
        Malta 8.15 17
        Uruguay 8.12 18
        Spain 8.08 19

        Fifty-seven other countries deemed as “flawed democracies” account for 44.8% of the world population. Overwhelmingly, it’s the threat to free speech that has pushed countries such as South Korea, Hong Kong, and France into the flawed category alongside the US.”

        Do please consut the link and learn some of the company your beloved Israel is keeping , right in there with your beloved US of A.

        https://qz.com/1192687/the-us-is-not-one-of-the-only-19-fully-democratic-countries-in-the-world/

        Hey , check it out , Ireland is in at number 6 .

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 8, 2018, 6:05 pm

        m1945 , you are a slow learner or more likely a liar.

        You posted this same nonsense in august of this year and got your zionist posterior handed to you on a plate.

        Remember your posts are archived.

        https://mondoweiss.net/2018/08/mourns-cultural-destroyed/

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 8, 2018, 7:20 pm

        Kiwis, Canucks, and Micks all outrank us? I’m shocked! But not surprised.
        At least we’re better than the UK and Mauritius.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 8, 2018, 8:45 pm

        || RoHa: Kiwis, Canucks, and Micks all outrank us? I’m shocked! But not surprised. … ||

        Neither am I: We have poutine.  :-)

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 8, 2018, 10:31 pm

        annie

        There’s a reason that the Economist used 5 categories instead of 1 category &
        using those 5 categories, Israel is 30 out of 167.

        Also,

        Israel has maintained democracy even though it’s been under continual attack.
        By contrast, we Americans locked American citizens of Japanese descent in concentration camps during world war 2 & we confiscated Joe DiMaggio’s father’s fishing boat because he was of Italian descent.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 8, 2018, 10:33 pm

        amigo

        A flawed democracy is still a democracy.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 7:25 am

        || m1945: … A flawed democracy is still a democracy. ||

        And a progressive colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state is still a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 7:31 am

        “A flawed democracy is still a democracy.” m1945

        So we need to revise the Israeli claim , “The only Democracy in the ME.”

        Correction!!.

        “The only (flawed) Democracy ,in the ME.”

        Btw, I have a Flawed BMW to sell you.The engine is seized, the Gear box is knackered , the radiator is leaking and the the steering is f—-d,

        It might be flawed , but it is still a BMW.Make me an offer.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 7:36 am

        “Kiwis, Canucks, and Micks all outrank us? “.RoHa.

        We will send you some Paddies , you obviously have too many Micks there.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 7:45 am

        “Apartheid in Israel??? Where are the separate bath rooms & water fountains?” m1945

        In the Jews only Communities of course.

        “Why are there Arabs in the Israeli Parliament & on the Israeli Supreme Court?”. M1945

        Indeed, why are they still there,after all the trouble Israeli Jews have gone to , to get them removed.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 11:10 am

        amigo

        Because a flawed democracy is still a democracy, we don’t need to revise the Israeli claim , “The only Democracy in the ME.”

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 11:30 am

        amigo

        Your BMW is a poor analogy to a country that is ranked 30 out of 167.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 11:49 am

        eljay

        Please explaini:

        “religion-supremacist state”

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 12:51 pm

        “Your BMW is a poor analogy to a country that is ranked 30 out of 167.” m1945

        It is a perfect analogy.

        Like my BMW , Israel is basically not road worthy and a danger to other road user,s .

        As a citizen of a country that sits in 6th place out of 19 fully fledged Democracies ,I am in a position to give advice to citizens of flawed democracies , in your case ,both Israel and the USA.

        Don,t you want to be part of a full democratic society or are you happy being a member of a flawed society.

        Here are some partner words for “flawed” and they describe Israel perfectly.

        Erroneous
        Insecure.
        Fragile.
        Unreliable.
        Defective.
        Unhealthy.
        Illogical.

        No accounting for taste is there , m1945.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 9, 2018, 12:56 pm

        “religion-supremacist state”

        The Nation-State of the Jews, by it’s own definition, thank you.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 1:04 pm

        || m1945: eljay

        Please explaini:

        “religion-supremacist state” ||

        Hi, Jack Green. Good to see you haven’t changed (except for your username).

        I know you already know this – because I’ve explained it to you before – but here goes:

        Jewish is a religion-based identity. Israel was established and exists…
        – as a “Jewish State” primarily of and for Jewish Israelis and non-Israeli Jews; and
        – not as the Israeli state of and for the people living in and up to n-generations removed from the geographic region it comprises.

        Back over to you for your next bit of schtick. Take it away, Jack!

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 9, 2018, 1:15 pm

        “You posted this same nonsense in august of this year”

        But then the amnesia phase of the syndrome did its merciful work and he’s back.

        I don’t think ‘flawed, but improving democracy’ is an argument for Israel which aged well in the meantime.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 4:24 pm

        “But then the amnesia phase of the syndrome did its merciful work and he’s back.” Mooser

        Surely you meant “unmerciful”.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 6:57 pm

        amigo

        On a scale from 1 to 167, a car whose engine is seized, the Gear box is knackered , the radiator is leaking and the the steering is f—-d, would rank 167.

        By contrast, on a scale from 1 to 167, Israel is ranked 30.

        A very poor analogy.

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        November 10, 2018, 9:04 am

        @ m1945 “Where are the separate bath rooms & water fountains?” Oh, okay. Palestinians are separated from the need of segregated bathrooms and water fountains so that would be a bit redundant. And that’s kid stuff. Read.

        Israel’s System of Segregated Roads in the Occupied Palestinian …
        https://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/segregated-roads-west-bank

        Israel’s apartheid road | Rachel Shabi | Opinion | The Guardian
        https://www.theguardian.com/…/2010/may/…/israel-palestine-highway-443-segregation

        Restrictions on Movement | B’Tselem
        https://www.btselem.org/freedom_of_movement

        Bisected by a Jews-only road, a Palestinian neighborhood in Hebron …
        https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News

        Separate and Unequal: Discriminatory Policies in Israel and Palestine …
        https://www.stanforddaily.com/…/separate-and-unequal-discriminatory-policies-in-isra…

        The Israeli Supreme Court’s Arab ghetto – Opinion – Israel News …
        https://www.haaretz.com › Opinion
        Judge Kaboub would have been the first Muslim and second Arab on the court. But he withdrew his candidacy when he realized the system wouldn’t allow more than one Arab judge at a time.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 10, 2018, 1:48 pm

        Jack Green aka m1945

        Two of us provided you with an answer as to where the separate bathrooms and water cisterns.Marnie gave you 6 or seven links to help you in your search and not only do not say thanks , you completely ignore such a generous gesture.

        But this is typical Jack Green, when you are de fanged you run off and hide and then show up again in 2 to 3 months and start the whole process again.

        If you love Israel so much catch an El Al flight and go don some olive green and show us what a real hero you are.You might be stationed on the Gaza Border on fish tank duty picking off unarmed invaders who want to kill all the Jews.

        You sad sorry little chappie do you realise just how insane you seem.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 10, 2018, 3:37 pm

        Marnie

        No occupier has ever treated the occupied the same way that it treats its own citizens, but no one has ever called that Apartheid unless they are talking about Israel.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 10, 2018, 4:03 pm

        “No occupier has ever treated the occupied the same way that it treats its own citizens, but no one has ever called that Apartheid unless they are talking about Israel.”Jack Green AKA m1945

        Ever heard of South Africa.

        Boy , are you dense.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 10, 2018, 8:49 pm

        @m1945
        Occupations don’t last 50 years. They have a beginning and end , There is no occupation in Palestine. There is no defensive justification. There is apartheid.

    • RoHa
      RoHa
      November 9, 2018, 2:09 am

      “Israel has maintained democracy even though it’s been under continual attack.”

      Correction: After lifting the Israel has maintained a flawed democracy while continually attacking its neighbours.

      For the first 18 years Israel kept its Palestinian population under martial law, and for the last 51 years has ruled over the Palestinians in the rest of Palestine, while denying them political rights.

      So why is being a flawed democracy such a big deal?

      https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+status+of+Palestinians+in+Israel%3a+1948-Oslo.-a0150966337

      https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-robs-palestinians-citizenship/21751

      https://imeu.org/article/50-years-of-israeli-military-rule-70-years-of-palestinian-dispossession

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 9, 2018, 3:36 am

        Ouch! Please excise the “After lifting the”.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 11:24 am

        RoHa

        Please explain: “After lifting”

        Israel was continually attacked by its neighbors & defended itself.

        No country would give political rights to a foreign enemy that attacked it & still refuses to live in peace. That doesn’t mean that Israel is not a democracy.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 11:27 am

        RoHa

        Name even one country that has been more democratic than Israel while under continual attack.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 11:59 am

        || m1945: … Name even one country that has been more democratic than Israel while under continual attack. ||

        Name even one democracy that continues deliberately and unapologetically to be colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        November 9, 2018, 12:43 pm

        @m1945
        “Name even one country that has been more democratic than Israel while under continual attack.”

        Why? Israel hasn’t been under attack in 45 years.

      • John O
        John O
        November 9, 2018, 12:50 pm

        @m1945 “Name even one country that has been more democratic than Israel while under continual attack.”

        Let’s see. Serious terrorism from groups internal and external? The UK, Ireland, Spain spring to mind. Not only have they not stopped being democratic, they have for the most part succeeded in ending terrorist activity.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 9, 2018, 12:56 pm

        “Name even one democracy that continues deliberately and unapologetically to be colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist.” eljay

        Flawlessly done eljay.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 3:46 pm

        || amigo: … Flawlessly done eljay. ||

        Thanks, amigo. And a tip of the hat to you for the BMW analogy.  :-)

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 7:07 pm

        oldgeezer

        Every day, Gazans are attempting to invade Israel & are setting Israel on fire.
        Gazans have fired thousands of rockets & mortars at innocent Israeli civilians.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 9, 2018, 7:59 pm

        John O

        A different order of magnitude.

        For example, in 2014, 0 killed by terrorists in the UK, Republic of Ireland or Spain.
        24 killed by terrorists in Israel. Also, Israel’s population was 8 million while the UK was 65 million & Spain was 46 million.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 8:29 pm

        || m1945: … Every day, Gazans are attempting to invade Israel & are setting Israel on fire. … ||

        Hi, Jack.

        Every day, Zionist Jews are not attempting but are succeeding at occupying and colonizing not-Israel & are setting not-Israel on fire with they evil they deliberately and unapologetically do.

        || … Gazans have fired thousands of rockets & mortars at innocent Israeli civilians. ||

        Zionist Jews have fired (tens of? hundreds of?) thousands of rounds of munitions and dropped hundreds of bombs on innocent Palestinian civilians.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 9, 2018, 8:34 pm

        || m1945: … A different order of magnitude.

        For example, in 2014, 0 killed by terrorists in the UK, Republic of Ireland or Spain.
        24 killed by terrorists in Israel. Also, Israel’s population was 8 million while the UK was 65 million & Spain was 46 million. ||

        Different order of magnitude for sure, Jack! For example, in 2018:
        – 155 killed and 17,259 injured by terrorists in Gaza.
        – Also, Gaza’s population is only ~1.8 million.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 10, 2018, 1:30 am

        ‘Please explain: “After lifting”’

        It was an editing error. That’s why I asked you to excise it.

        “Israel was continually attacked by its neighbors & defended itself.”

        Wrong. Israel continually attacked its neighbours.

        But I ask again, why is it such a big deal that Israel is a (flawed) democracy?

        How does that excuse the crimes of the Zionists?

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        November 10, 2018, 10:02 am

        @M1945

        Save the bs. Israel is not remotely under attack it is fighting to maintain it’s oppression on a civilian population while stealing their land and resources.

        That’s when it’s not attacking it’s neighbours in the region.

        It is the attacker. The aggressor. It is not under attack at all.

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 10, 2018, 10:58 am

        Say Jack Green aka m 1945. , when do we get the, “Jews had been persecuted for centuries in majority-gentile countries. blah blah blah.” hasbara bs.

        https://mondoweiss.net/2018/05/superpowers-freedom-protest/

        Better tell your handlers at Hasbara Central that those Jew hating antisemites at MW are on to you and your position as Israeli Apologist has caused you to become a laughing stock due to the repetitive nature of your posts.

        Ask for new material .The old material isn,t working.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 10, 2018, 4:08 pm

        amigo

        As a citizen of a country that sits in 6th place, what advice would you give to the Palestinians who sit in 108th place in the Democracy Index?

  4. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 7, 2018, 7:20 am

    Just wondering what the “preferred” execution method will be – hanging , lethal injection or electrocution.Perhaps none of these.Instead perhaps some sort of official draw amongst the military with the winners getting freebie live practice shots. Even better perhaps some sort of Zioland National Lottery with newly arrived colonists being given free entries as a part of their welcoming package. The winners will feel like chosen millionaires.

    • John O
      John O
      November 7, 2018, 9:11 am

      Stoning seems most appropriate.

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 7, 2018, 11:19 am

      The former bouncer from moldova had suggested beheading for terrorists.

      Liberman calls for Arab Israeli terrorists to be ‘beheaded’ | The Times …
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-calls-for-arab-israeli-terrorists-to-be-beheaded/

      and

      Lieberman: Disloyal Israeli Arabs should be beheaded – Haaretz …
      https://www.haaretz.com/lieberman-disloyal-israeli-arabs-should-be-beheaded-1.5334

      What is being disloyal and is that considered terrorism, or is this just another way to watch heads roll for this freak?

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 10, 2018, 4:16 pm

      oldgeezer

      Are you denying that Israel was attacked in 1948?

      Are you denying that Jews were attacked in 1929?

      On August 24, 1929, racist Arabs of Hebron attacked their Jewish neighbors. Violent mobs burst into Jewish homes and fell upon anyone they found inside. The commander of Britain’s police force in Hebron, Raymond Cafferata, later testified about what he saw when he entered a Jewish home in the midst of the massacre: “On hearing screams in a room I went up a sort of tunnel passage and saw an Arab in the act of cutting off a child’s head with a sword. He had already hit him and was having another cut. . . . Behind him was a Jewish woman smothered in blood with a man I recognized as [an Arab] police constable . . . standing over the woman with a dagger in his hand.”
      …found a pile of bodies and a “sea of blood.” …of the dead and dying that “almost all had knife and hatchet wounds in their heads. . . . A few bodies had been slashed and their entrails had come out.”… two of Hebron’s senior rabbis had been castrated together with five of their students. Two days later, the surviving Jews of Hebron were evacuated. Hebron, the second holiest city in Judaism, was now Jew-free.

      On August 29, the violence spread to the ancient Jewish community of Safed. The Arabs of Safed and surrounding villages invaded the city’s Jewish quarter. Residents—including many children—were attacked with knives. Women were raped. Homes and stores were looted and set ablaze.

      Similar attacks were launched against the Jewish communities of Tel Aviv, Haifa, Hadera, and a number of rural villages… everything …was burned to the ground.

      • oldgeezer
        oldgeezer
        November 10, 2018, 6:08 pm

        @m1945

        “Are you denying that Israel was attacked in 1948?”

        It absolutely was not. It initiated the hostilities. Also irrelevant (1)

        Are you denying that Jews were attacked in 1929?

        Irrelevant regardless of (1). Events of 90 years do not justify Israel’s actions.

        (1) I said Israel has not been attacked in 45 years.

        Israel is the aggressor. Israel is a rogue state. Israel is an abomination.

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 10, 2018, 9:39 pm

        “August 29, the violence spread to the ancient Jewish community of Safed.“

        I love you bots. You all have the same talking points. Ancient Safed – the ancient distinguishes it from the towns in haSharon or the Dan region for example. Where did the people in haSharon or the Dan region come from? How long had they been speaking Hebrew for? Answer to the nearest week.

        I thought that Tel Aviv was also an ancient Jewish community. Maybe it wasn’t. Maybe the Palestinians were violently dispossessed. Maybe women were raped and children murdered. Maybe Jews and Christians and Muslims in Palestine found that things would never be the same again.

        What is clear is that Israel never worked for peace. And that that is really shortsighted.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 12:46 am

        “On August 24, 1929, racist Arabs of Hebron attacked their Jewish neighbors. ”

        Racism, was it?

        Hordes of foreigners pour into the country.
        They make no attempt to assimilate.
        On the contrary, they declare their intention of taking over the country for themselves.
        They buy up land from absentee landlords, and then use force to drive the tenant farmers away.
        They set up a parallel society for themselves, with institutions exclusively for the benefit of themselves.
        They talk to each other in a language they have recently made up, rather than the local language.

        They are the racists.

        They are invaders.

        This background does not justify the violence, but it does make it obvious that the violence was an act of resistance to invasion, not a mere failure of the Arabs to celebrate diversity.

        Now back to the important question.

        Why is it such a big deal that Israel is a (flawed) democracy?

        How does that excuse the crimes of the Zionists?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        November 11, 2018, 8:26 am

        @RoHa –
        excellent, excellent post.

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        November 11, 2018, 9:41 am

        Roha,
        It’s my understanding that these folks were legal immigrants who legally purchased land. Once they have purchased the land why can’t they use it themselves as long as the use is legal?

        Secondly, why should they be under any obligation to speak the language of the majority of the country or adopt its customs?

        Where you live does your country do these things?

      • Mikhael
        Mikhael
        November 11, 2018, 7:23 pm

        RoHa November 11, 2018, 12:46 am

        “On August 24, 1929, racist Arabs of Hebron attacked their Jewish neighbors. ”
        Racism, was it?
        Hordes of foreigners pour into the country.
        They make no attempt to assimilate.

        Prof Roha now on record supporting massacres of people who “make no attempt to assimilate.” But for the edification of the ignorant and uninformed who might read RoHa’s disgusting comment and come away with the impression that the Jews are an alien implant in an Arab country, Hebron had a constant Jewish presence for centuries, long before the modern political Zionist movement started. (It’s always important to underline “modern political Zionist” because the Zionist idea is simply baked in and embedded into Jewish culture and vice versa, but modern political Zionism refers specifically to the very successful movement to re-establish Jewish independence in the historical Jewish homeland in a modern state framework. My ancestors on my paternal grandmother’s side who settled in Galilee in Safad in the 16th century CE after the Expulsion from Spain, and those on my paternal grandfather’s side who moved from Damascus in the late 19th century were most certainly Zionist, although not in the modern, political sense.) Additionally, few of the Jewish victims of the Arab massacre in Hebron were modern, political Zionists, most were rabbinical students and their families. Many of the victims were foreign-born, but many of them were also from families that had lived in Hebron for many generations, including Mizrahi and Sefaradi Jews as well as Ashkenazi Jews that had resided for in the city for generations (and some were a mix of both, like the Slonim-Dueck family).

        My great uncle Nissim was also wounded (he survived and lived into his 90s, fortunately, despie having his face and neck slashed) by a hate-inflamed Arab terrorist during the Jerusalem riots of 1929, which happened concurrently with the Hebron Massacre.
        Because he was raised speaking Arabic (as well as Ladino and Hebrew) and was a Palestinian Mandate citizen sicne the time the British started issuing Mandate citizenship , and from a family that had resided in the Holy land for many generations quite a few ignorant commenters on this blog will incorrectly identify him as a so-called “Arab Jew”. While he was a native Arabic-speakingJew from EreS Yisra’el, he was never an Arab, but one can’t make the claim that he was “unassimillated” into Arab culture (as if that excuses murdering people who didn’t speak Arabic). But the murderous fanatic who tried to kill my father’s uncle didn’t care that he spoke Arabic with native fluency, that he and his parents and grandparents and great grandparents, etc. were born in the country, the only thing that mattered was that my Uncle Nissim was a Jew. Fortunately he survived the attack, and lived to fight for Israeli Independence two decades later, as an EtSel fighter (most of the Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews fought in EtSel rather than Hagana or PalMaHH) and later in the nascent IDF.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 8:49 pm

        “Once they have purchased the land why can’t they use it themselves as long as the use is legal?”

        Driving off tenant farmers is immoral. Legal is not the same as moral. (But Zionists don’t seem able to understand morality.)

        “Secondly, why should they be under any obligation to speak the language of the majority of the country or adopt its customs?”

        I have already explained, in previous comments, why immigrants have a duty of integration.

        But the Zionists went beyond failing to integrate and set up a separate society with the intention of taking over the land.

        “Where you live does your country do these things?”

        Check the Australian Citizenship Test. You will discover that it has to be taken in English.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 8:55 pm

        Prof Roha now on record supporting massacres of people who “make no attempt to assimilate.”

        I clearly said “This background does not justify the violence”.

        the impression that the Jews are an alien implant in an Arab country,

        The European and American Jews clearly were. These European political Zionists created the wave of anti-Jewish feeling for which innocent, native Palestinian, Jews were killed.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 8:56 pm

        And now back to the important question.

        Why is it such a big deal that Israel is a (flawed) democracy?

        How does that excuse the crimes of the Zionists?

      • Jon66
        Jon66
        November 11, 2018, 9:38 pm

        Roha,
        What should be the punishment for immigrants who fail to to integrate?

        We disagree on the morality of buying a farm and then working it yourself.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 10:52 pm

        “What should be the punishment for immigrants who fail to to integrate?”

        I regard it as a matter of morality. That would require making it a matter of law.

        “We disagree on the morality of buying a farm and then working it yourself.”

        No. You simply do not recognise the immorality of driving people from their homes and denying them their livelihood.

  5. Boomer
    Boomer
    November 7, 2018, 8:47 am

    One wonders, what if the Brits had implemented such a policy before ’48?

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 11, 2018, 10:27 am

      Roha

      The first Zionists arrived in 1882, but Palestinians had been oppressing Jews long before.
      Racist Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.

      In 1839, the British consul, William Young, said that the poor Jew in Jerusalem…lives from day to day in terror of his life….Young attributed the plight of the Jew in Jerusalem to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace,”

      JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
      New York Times December 29, 1878
      Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 11, 2018, 12:42 pm

        “JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
        New York Times December 29, 1878”

        The article goes on to point out that these cruelties against the Jews were especially egregious in an otherwise peaceful, prosperous and stable period which the world was experiencing at that time.

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 11, 2018, 10:31 am

      RoHa

      Jews brought money from Europe to Palestine to buy land. That money improved the Palestinian economy. Also, Jews drained the swamps which not only killed the mosquitoes improving the health & life expectancy of both Jew & Arab, but also brought land under cultivation further improving the economy. Arabs from surrounding countries moved to Palestine for a better life.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 11, 2018, 12:31 pm

        “Jews brought money from Europe to Palestine to buy land.”

        Ah, no wonder the “the Jews “walked with a shuffling, cringing step”! They was loaded down with pelf!

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 11, 2018, 1:18 pm

        M1945

        Finkelstein demolished your thesis 25 years ago.
        Before Zionism Palestine had a sustainable ecosystem. Now Israel does not.

        I have never met one honest Zionist on this forum.

        Here is a quote from Rab Burns

        « Whatever mitigates the woes or Increases the happiness of others,
        This is my Criterium of Goodness;
        And whatever injures society at large, or any Individual in it,
        This is my measure of Iniquity « 
        Robert Burns

        Zionism is iniquitous. You can only be an Israeli Jew if you are an asshole.

        Another person of interest is Bourdieu

        https://www.powercube.net/other-forms-of-power/bourdieu-and-habitus/

        « His concept of doxa « is the combination of both orthodox and heterodox norms and beliefs – the unstated, taken-for-granted assumptions or ‘common sense’ behind the distinctions we make »

        « Habitus ‘is not fixed or permanent, and can be changed under unexpected situations or over a long historical period’ (Navarro 2006: 16): »

        Israel’s doxa is bullshit. Its habitus is going to crash.

      • Keith
        Keith
        November 11, 2018, 5:31 pm

        M1945- ” That money improved the Palestinian economy.”

        Ah, altruistic Europeans providing great benefits for the benighted (and ungrateful!) natives. Sounds familiar. Now, where have I heard that before?

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 11, 2018, 7:44 pm

        Mooser

        “the Jews “walked with a shuffling, cringing step”! was before the Zionists arrived.
        The pre-Zionist Jews were very poor.
        Meanwhile, for all their poverty, the Jews were more heavily taxed than their Christian neighbors…But the Jews of the Holy Land also paid, both as a community and as individuals, a host of extortionate charges to local officials, Arab notables, and Arab neighbors—whatever could be squeezed from a very dry stone. In Jerusalem, for example, they paid £300 a year to the effendi whose house adjoined the Western Wall—what non-Jews contemptuously called the “wailing wall” or “wailing place”—for permission to pray there; £100 a year to the villagers of Siloam (just outside the city), not to disturb or profane the graves on the side of the Mount of Olives; £50 a year to the Ta’amra Arabs not to injure the Tomb of Rachel on the road to Bethlehem; and about £10 to Sheik Abu Gosh not to molest Jewish travelers on the road to Jerusalem, though he was already paid by the Turkish government to maintain order on that road.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 11, 2018, 7:46 pm

        Maghlawatan

        Please explain “Before Zionism Palestine had a sustainable ecosystem. Now Israel does not.”

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 12, 2018, 12:54 am

        m1945

        Israel has an ecological footprint that is 10 times the capacity of Israel.
        https://www.haaretz.com/1.4950994

        Israel/Palestine is a mostly fragile landscape which is very vulnerable to climate change.
        It is not Florida. It doesn’t have much water. The Sea of Galilee and the Dead Sea have been
        mismanaged for years. Rivers have been heavily polluted.
        In order to hide the Palestinian villages Israel emptied in 1948 it planted European pines that reminded Israelis of where they came from.

        “When I look out my window today and see a tree standing there, that tree gives me a greater sense of beauty and personal delight than all the vast forests I have seen in Switzerland or Scandinavia. Because every tree here was planted by us.” ~ David Ben Gurion, Memoirs

        https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/793484

        The trees are fire bombs because they are not local .
        The occupation bombs Gaza with poisons. Israel
        destroyed the sewage system in Gaza so now it flows into the sea.

        https://mondediplo.com/2002/05/08bulldozer

        “A trail of devastation stretches as far as the eye can see: a jumble of demolished buildings, levelled hillsides and flattened forests. This barrage of concentrated damage has been wrought not only by the bombs and tanks of traditional warfare, but by industrious, vigorous destruction that has toppled properties like a violent tax assessor.
        A concrete-and-asphalt ugliness now mars some of the most beautiful views in the world. Hillsides have been carved up for bypass roads to Israeli settlements. On either side of the road Palestinian homes have been destroyed, olive trees uprooted and orange orchards razed, on behalf of enhanced visibility. All that remains is a no-man’s land topped by watchtowers. In the hostilities, the omnipresent bulldozers have as much strategic importance as the tanks. Never before has such an innocuous piece of equipment augured such violence and brutality.”

        Israel is a clusterfuck

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 12, 2018, 10:30 am

        Maghlawatan

        Israel is one of the few countries in the world that has more trees now than it had a century ago.

        https://www.jpost.com/Green-Israel/People-and-The-Environment/Afforestation-in-Israel

      • amigo
        amigo
        November 12, 2018, 11:43 am

        “Israel is one of the few countries in the world that has more trees now than it had a century ago.” jack green aka m 1945

        J Post m hmmm , surely you can do better than that.

      • Bumblebye
        Bumblebye
        November 12, 2018, 12:52 pm

        Jack Green
        more trees than a century ago?
        you’re ‘avin’ a larf.
        I rather doubt all the trees your lot destroyed in the orange and olive groves of Palestine past have made the count.

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 11, 2018, 10:35 am

      RoHa

      Before the Zionists arrived:

      The Jews “walked with a shuffling, cringing step that told of blows received and blows expected. No one could mistake the difference between oppressor and oppressed—“between those poor creatures and the Arabs who jostled them in these crowded alleys, The Arabs stride along with a spring in every step.”19

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 11, 2018, 12:26 pm

        ” The Arabs stride along with a spring in every step.”

        Ah, those poor Arabs. Thought they knew the difference between real estate and national territory.

      • m1945
        m1945
        November 11, 2018, 7:38 pm

        Keith

        I did not claim altruism.
        It’s just a fact that if you put money into an economy, the economy improves.

      • Keith
        Keith
        November 11, 2018, 8:31 pm

        M1945- “It’s just a fact that if you put money into an economy, the economy improves.”

        Improves for who? During US slavery the economy grew by leaps and bounds, but the slaves did rather poorly. Much the same can be said about the majority of the Third World people who received the “benefits” of Western colonialism. This includes the Palestinians. Zionism benefits Zionist Jews at the expense of the native population, period.

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 11, 2018, 7:48 pm

      RoHa

      The Zionists were legal immigrants. We don’t call legal immigrants “invaders.”

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 9:16 pm

        If they enter with the intention of taking over the country, as the Zionists did, they are invaders even if you don’t call them that.

    • m1945
      m1945
      November 11, 2018, 9:43 pm

      RoHa

      “hordes?

      2,200 Jewish immigrants to Palestine in 1928 population ~900,000 .24%
      1 million immigrants to USA 2017 population 325 million .30%

      2,200 Jewish immigrants are not “hordes.”

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        November 11, 2018, 11:13 pm

        1928 was just one year. There were more years, and more foreigners.

  6. bintbiba
    bintbiba
    November 7, 2018, 11:57 am

    To my knowledge the British Mandate hangman’s noose was very active during the Palestinian uprising of the ’30’s when the influx of zionists from Europe was reaching its apogee and the writing on the wall as to their intent was clear for all to see !

    To be fair the Brits also hanged the zionists who assassinated British soldiers/ officers when and if they were ever caught !

    As to Israel Shamir, who took part in assassinating Count Folke Bernadotte … … Shamir was allowed to become head of State at a later date !

    • gamal
      gamal
      November 7, 2018, 2:08 pm

      ” Israel Shamir”

      Yitzhak Shamir

      • bintbiba
        bintbiba
        November 7, 2018, 2:52 pm

        My heartfelt abject apologies to Israel Shamir whom I respect and always read with great anticipation !

        A humble thank you Gamal for correcting me in time …

        A moment’s distraction of an 83 year old ( no excuses !) I hope there won’t be too many slips henceforth !

    • Boomer
      Boomer
      November 7, 2018, 2:31 pm

      Interesting. I didn’t know that the Brits also hanged Zionists. I was thinking of Begin and the King David Hotel episode. I’d forgotten, or didn’t know, some of the details:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

  7. Vera Gottlieb
    Vera Gottlieb
    November 7, 2018, 12:18 pm

    Followed by death penalties for israeli terrorists. Fair is fair…ain’t it?

  8. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 7, 2018, 2:29 pm

    @JohnO
    “Stoning seems most appropriate”

    Apologies that execution method escaped me. Good opportunity though for Zios to prove that stones (ie the ones thrown by colonised native Palestinians as opposed to those thrown by Chosen Foreign Colonialist Settlers ) are lethal”terrorist ” weapons.
    Though having said that would they really want to be compared with the Iranians?:
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-confirms-man-stoned-to-death-for-adultery-68002

  9. Elizabeth Block
    Elizabeth Block
    November 7, 2018, 4:47 pm

    Does this mean that they’ll stop imposing the death penalty on innocent people?
    Stupid question. Of course not.

  10. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 9, 2018, 1:47 pm

    m1945
    “Because a flawed democracy is still a democracy, we don’t need to revise the Israeli claim , “The only Democracy in the ME.”

    Question . Is Israel definitively a Middle Eastern country you know like Syria,Lebanon,Iraq,Yemen,Saudi Arabiaetc as opposed to being a country (democratic or otherwise) in the Middle East ie are Israelis Middle Eastern people?

    • Jon66
      Jon66
      November 9, 2018, 4:35 pm

      OSS,
      Can you define Middle Eastern People? Other than geography what distinguishes the citizens of these countries from others? Without criteria how can the question be answered?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 9, 2018, 4:47 pm

        “Other than geography what distinguishes the citizens of these countries from others?”

        Other than geography, what distinguishes the ‘citizens’ of Israel from other countries?

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 10, 2018, 2:19 am

        1. Turkish coffee
        2. Cultural continuity
        3. Don’t speak their language with a German accent
        4. Hospitality
        5. Can read a text from the 12th century and understand themselves better
        6. Fairuz in the morning

        https://youtu.be/5BC1qbEjhDU

      • Maghlawatan
        Maghlawatan
        November 10, 2018, 2:23 am

        Mooser

        What distinguishes Israelis from others is very special

        1 Rudeness
        2 Aggression
        3 Easily challenged groupthink
        4 Set them off by mentioning Gaza
        5 Will call you anti Semitic
        6 Very weak education
        7. Shooting and crying
        8. The absence of kindness
        9. Insecurity

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 10, 2018, 12:17 pm

        1….2…3…/…9″

        So the ‘citizens’ of Israel should be easy to distinguish. Thanx for list.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 10, 2018, 12:43 pm

        || Maghlawatan: Mooser

        What distinguishes Israelis from others is very special … ||

        Zionist Israelis, maybe. I doubt all Israelis are like them.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 10, 2018, 5:21 pm

        ” I doubt all Israelis are like them.”

        I’m sure you’re right.

  11. Maghlawatan
    Maghlawatan
    November 9, 2018, 4:59 pm

    Killing terrsts or teghoghists in Tzippy lingo won’t stop the Palestinians. What it will do is push Israel another few notches towards the cliff and another few notches away from equilibrium. Israel has already lost US Jews under the age of 40. It is not going to get better.
    Zionism keeps on taking short term decisions thinking the world will bail it out. And it won’t.

  12. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 10, 2018, 7:39 am

    @jon66
    “Can you define Middle Eastern People? Other than geography what distinguishes the citizens of these countries from others? Without criteria how can the question be answered?”

    Well it`s like being a European,an American,an African etc. The question is do Israeli Zionists identify themselves as Middle Eastern ? They are quite happy to chant the eternal refrain of Israel being the only democracy IN the Middle East but are they happy to identify themselves as Middle Easterners and thus the same as Syrians,Lebanese,Egyptians,Saudis etc etc etc.

    • Jon66
      Jon66
      November 10, 2018, 8:43 am

      Oss,
      Those are all geographic definitions so I would assume Israelis are Middle Easterners by that model.

  13. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 10, 2018, 9:30 am

    @Jon66
    “Those are all geographic definitions so I would assume Israelis are Middle Easterners by that model”

    I would stand to be corrected of course but I somehow doubt that a reputable poll with the straight forward question to Jewish Israelis such “Are you Middle Eastern?”,”Do you identify yourself as Middle Eastern” would get an overwhelming “Yes”. And very definitely “No” I would say from those freshly arrived from Brooklyn.

    Remember a land without Middle Eastern people for a non – Middle Eastern People without land.

    • Jon66
      Jon66
      November 10, 2018, 11:48 am

      Oss,
      I don’t know. But if you asked them, “do you live in the Middle East?” and they said “no” then I would think that they are clueless about geography. Of course some folks think the term Middle East is Western biased anyway.

  14. Eva Smagacz
    Eva Smagacz
    November 11, 2018, 9:17 pm

    Michael, you said:

    Prof Roha now on record supporting massacres of people who “make no attempt to assimilate.”

    Why won’t you accuse Roha of Holocaust denial while you are on the roll?

    There is a difference between supporting something and explaining something. I can explain that you have failed to understand Roha, but I do not support stupidity.

    Equally, I do not support noxious “failure to understand” of a fellow commenter’s intentions to make a distasteful point, Michael. Your intention to smear Roha is pretty transparent, I’m afraid.

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