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‘Separation between the yolk and white’ — Tzipi Livni’s vision for Jews and Palestinians

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Many times recently we’ve heard the suggestion from Israel supporters who are fearful about the death of the two state solution under Netanyahu’s settler-government and the loss of Israel’s international reputation that Israel must take unilateral moves to keep alive the dream of a Palestinian state. So Israel must therefore stop building settlements and establish a de facto border inside the West Bank, to make Palestinians a little bit happy.

A plan put forward last month by the quasi-official Israeli thinktank — and home to former US ambassador Dan Shapiro — the Institute for National Security Studies includes those measures. Build as much as you like inside existing settlements but go no further.

The goal is the combined demonstration of the determination to advance toward separation, reduction in the friction and dangers arising from expansion of settlements deep in the Palestinian territories, and allocation of space for Palestinian territorial contiguity.

The critical word in all such plans is “separation.” Netanyahu and friends have done a terrible thing by all but annexing large portions of the West Bank creating a de facto one state solution in which Israel has sovereignty over a large Palestinian population, thereby threatening the Jewish majority of Israel.

Every Zionist from J Street’s Jeremy Ben-Ami on the left to David Makovsky and Dennis Ross on the center-right is concerned about Israel losing its Jewish character by having too many Arabs as potential voters.

Yes even liberal Zionists express the fear of “demographics,” of the Palestinian birth rate surpassing the Jewish one. It feels very Jim Crow, but that’s the character of religious nationalism.

The ideology of separation was nowhere more stridently expressed lately than by liberal Zionist hero Tzipi Livni last month, speaking in support of the INSS plan and against the annexationist policies of Netanyahu and his education minister Naftali Bennett. Her repeated call for “separation” reminded me of George Wallace’s famous incantation, “Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.” The Alabama governor said that in 1963, but it didn’t last very long! And he would come to eat his words.

Livni began by saying that the only way to maintain the Zionist “vision” of  a Jewish, democratic and safe state was to follow a Waze (a GPS app), that “goes through a station: separation with the Palestinians to maintain a Jewish democracy in the state of Israel, two states for two peoples.” That separation would preserve the Jewish majority.

This is the difference between me and Bennett…  [The original Zionist leaders] chose the Jewish state on part of the land of Israel, and immediately they decided it’s going to be democratic… [But] in this government, we have some people, their choice is a greater Israel, at the price of a country with a Jewish majority. It’s two kinds of vision completely different from one another for the state of Israel…

Today I’m ready for tactical steps because we cannot just stand still…

This government takes steps every day every hour, in order to prevent us from stopping at that station where we want to separate from the Palestinians.

The differences are not semantic. Because when we go toward the goal of Jewish and democratic and safe, we stop at the station of separation from Palestinians. But when they take us to the greater Israel without a Jewish majority, they stop at a different station, which is not Jewish and is not democratic. And it happens every day in the Knesset.

I want to turn the Palestinians into our neighbors. Because at the moment they are not neighbors. They are inside us.

They [Netanyahu/Bennett] want us all to live in one apartment, and it’s going to be a bloody conflict…

She said that the Netanyahu government was laying the way for the “nightmare of Zionism” through its indifference to the Palestinian majority.

Bibi chose Bennett’s Waze… because he wants to be elected through [settler leader] Daniela Weiss and the buses she brings with her.

Please tell us what your Waze says. We are in an emergency and in this emergency we must unite around one single, shared vision.

Oslo was a great process, because it established the Palestinian Authority and removed millions of Palestinians from Israeli responsibility, she said.

[We must] say thank you every day for the fact that there is a PA. Otherwise those millions would be on our budget, our education… [In Gaza] 2 million people are not on us. Why are they not on us? Because of the disengagement, and because of the P.A. You cannot just annex territory without people.

Palestinians would never give up their national claim, Livni warned, and so Netanyahu and Bennett are laying the foundations of “one state with an Arab majority– is that we want?”

That fear led her to compare Jews and Palestinians to the yolk and the white of an egg that must be separated.

It’s actually the omelet story, where we we will no longer be able to separate the ingredients. And separation between the yolk and white also makes a good cake, they say. And it will also make sure that we have a good state as well. Another isolated settlement will not provide us with security, will actually stop us from having security and peace.

Livni said that the entire goal of expanding settlements is just what Palestinians have told us it is, to force the state to provide those Jews with security, so the army is there, and “we never have to yield any territory.” But the right should be careful of what they wish for!

“You realize, that those who do not agree that there should be an Arab player on an Israeli soccer team will allow that 300,000 Palestinians living in Arab villages that are part of the municipal area of Jerusalem determine if they want to who will be Jerusalem’s mayor!”

[N.b. Those 300,000 Palestinians can vote in municipal elections but not in Israel’s Knesset elections. If that’s not Jim Crow, I don’t know what is.]

Livni’s rhetoric is completely acceptable to liberal Zionists but it is surely objectionable for young non-Zionists of IfNotNow, who don’t believe in racial and ethnic separation in the U.S. or in Palestine. This is the divide we are seeing in the Democratic base, and it is sure to blow up in years to come. And anti-Zionists will be accused of anti-Semitism (when who is taking a wrecking ball to US Jewish political traditions?).

Last spring Livni told J Street that she knew Americans had trouble stomaching the images of Gazans killed protesting at the border, but if there were any criminal acts by Israeli soldiers they would be prosecuted. “I am familiar with the criticism. I know what the pictures that you see here. And I know that it is sometimes difficult to stand with these values and stand with Israel’s security.” No one has been prosecuted, and there are 200 dead and hundreds more maimed.

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  1. eljay
    eljay
    November 28, 2018, 1:22 pm

    … This is the difference between me and Bennett… [The original Zionist leaders] chose the Jewish state on part of the land of Israel, and immediately they decided it’s going to be democratic… [But] in this government, we have some people, their choice is a greater Israel, at the price of a country with a Jewish majority. …

    It’s cute how “moderate” Zionists pretend that they care about democracy when what they really want is what every Zionist wants: “Jewish democracy” – a.k.a., Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

    I’ll never forget the lovely comment made by “liberal Zionist” RW:

    I personally don’t see a conflict with intentionally adjusting boundaries if the demographics change considerably to create a smaller Israel that is Jewish majority.

    Got too many “Arabs” / non-Jews in your “Jewish State” “democracy”?

         KEEP CALM
       EXCISE THEM
                 AND
          CARRY ON!

  2. ckg
    ckg
    November 28, 2018, 2:10 pm

    For clarity, Israel should call this plan for the territories “Big Separation” to distinguish it from the “Petty Separation” within official Israel.

  3. JaapBo
    JaapBo
    November 28, 2018, 2:49 pm

    Livni knows she is a racist. Otherwise she would not say “a Jewish, democratic and safe state”. What does “safe” signify? The excuse for racism!

    “Security”, while at times used genuinely, has always been an excuse for Israeli racist actions. E.g. the Nakba.

  4. amigo
    amigo
    November 28, 2018, 3:54 pm

    Interesting analogy.

    Which one is which.Are The Jewish Israelis the White of the egg and non Jews are the Yolk.

    No scrambled egg for Zionists .

  5. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 28, 2018, 5:04 pm

    Who was that early Zionist leader who reported back that the holy land was beautiful but she already was married? Something like that. The problem remains , from the start of the Zionist agenda, right up to the present moment. Aggressive war was the daddy of war crimes (as it contained all the other war crimes within it) at the Nuremberg Trials, which were still going on, if memory serves, when the Zionists did the Nakba and declared their state.

  6. annie
    annie
    November 28, 2018, 5:06 pm

    “Today I’m ready for tactical steps because we cannot just stand still…”

    baby steps one presumes. anyone remember her from the palestine papers? she wouldn’t agree to anything. i have no trust in her as any kind of consensus builder. she should get out of politics. remember when she won the election and couldn’t find enough coalition partners to form a government? she’s just taking up space, a fixture of israel’s political scene that won’t go away.

  7. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 28, 2018, 5:28 pm

    Meanwhile, Rand Paul’s rationale for holding back the latest $38 Billion aid to Israel http://jewishinsider.com/14954/rand-pauls-rationale-holding-back-aid-israel/ via @J_Insider

  8. Bumblebye
    Bumblebye
    November 28, 2018, 5:32 pm

    Tzipi Livni. Yesterday’s woman.
    Naftali Bennett – tomorrow’s PM. He’s definitely gonna go for it once the Yahu’s time is up.

    He got a good grilling from Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk last week:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bt917w

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 29, 2018, 12:49 am

      ‘He got a good grilling from Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk last week:’

      Not good enough, he’s still alive and nothing hurts israeli politicians who are committed to bantustans for palestinians or the continued slow suffocation of their lives. In the meantime, cnn is running an investigative reporting piece on the rise of antisemitism. Of course it won’t explore the rise of antisemitism with the rise of nationalism in the ‘state of israel’. That would be antisemitic.

  9. Citizen
    Citizen
    November 28, 2018, 6:16 pm
  10. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    November 28, 2018, 9:08 pm

    liberal Zionist (sic) hero Tzipi Livni –

    The day after the ceasefire (Cast Lead 2009) she (Livni) bragged “Israel demonstrated real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation, which I demanded”. Later Livni declared she was “proud” of her decisions during the Gaza invasion … (This time we went too far/Norman Finkelstein; page 84)

    Livni is a war criminal whose words have the same moral weight as those of Goebbels.

  11. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    November 28, 2018, 10:57 pm

    One staters, please read this article to educate yourself about the realities that Palestinians living in Israel face.https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-israeli-arabs-are-more-israeli-than-people-think-1.6697110

    • annie
      annie
      November 29, 2018, 12:46 am

      yonah, isn’t this a little like jewsplaining?

      The fact that most of Israel’s Arab citizens angrily rejected Avigdor Lieberman’s proposal for “land transfers” proves the weakness of the Palestinian identity of the country’s Arabs, wrote Abed L. Azab in Haaretz’s Hebrew edition on November 20. Azab says that at the moment of truth, it has been shown that most members of this community want to live in Israel with the blue ID card of an Israeli citizen.

      I’d like to offer an alternative, preferable explanation: It’s not that the Palestinian identity of Israel’s Arab citizens is weak, it’s that their Israeli identity is strong.

      and while i understand his alternate explanation is preferable to him, I’d like to put in my 2 cents worth.

      palestinians have been largely kicked out of their homeland. those who have been holding down the fort for decades are not about to sign off on getting transferred now. plus, would you, in the *relative* comfort of israel (relative being the operative word) want to be transferred to an area, or have your area be designated as part of an area, israel routinely bombs, holds hostage, or oppresses more severely? that is crazy.

      n affinity to the Palestinian people is an important component of most Arabs’ identity in Israel. When people see themselves as part of the Palestinian people and still prefer Israeli over Palestinian rule, it’s a sign their Israeli identity is very strong

      no, under the current circumstances it could just a sign they are not idiots. why not just ask Hatim Kanaaneh. there are lots of palestinian israelis. if you want to understand “the realities.. Palestinians living in Israel” let them speak for themselves.

      • annie
        annie
        November 29, 2018, 1:02 am

        The passing of the nation-state law in its extreme and offensive version, while refusing to include the principle of civil equality, was based on the assumption that Arab citizens don’t want to be Israelis at all, so there’s no problem in offending them. Offending the Druze, about whom no one doubts their identification with Israel, is something the right is willing to accept as collateral damage.

        please! The passing of the nation-state law was not based on an assumption “Arab citizens” don’t want to be Israeli, it’s based on the all to obvious fact israelis don’t want them to be there. and they could care less if they are offended by that.

        as for the druze, other than to milk them in their service in the idf or to have some shabbos goy around, they don’t really care about them their either, even though it is offensive to admit that, and that’s something the right (and the middle) is perfectly willing to accept as collateral damage.

      • catalan
        catalan
        November 29, 2018, 9:18 am

        “yonah, isn’t this a little like jewsplaining?” Annie
        Wow “jewsplaining” and “Shabos Goy” in the same day. Annie going back to her roots. Annie, remember, we own Congress.

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz
        November 30, 2018, 3:53 am

        Catalan, you said:
        “Annie is going back to her roots”

        Is this a veiled way of saying Annie is anti-semitic? If you want to accuse someone of being racist, have guts to say it, and then use brains to justify it.

        Otherwise you are just a troll using ad hominem smears due to lack of ability/arguments to engage in a conversation.180/195

      • catalan
        catalan
        November 30, 2018, 9:01 am

        “If you want to accuse someone of being racist, have guts to say it, and then use brains to justify it. “ Eva
        The post would get censored if I say it directly. As to brains, I have always said it-my ignorance is vast, I know very little. I have a hard time learning Minecraft, a game 9 year olds can play. My chess rating has collapsed. You won’t insult me by talk about my brains, I am the first one to see my own limitations. On the flip side, I don’t claim to have a solution to the Middle East problem or the health system. I also don’t represent all Jews, the way you claim to speak for Poles.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      November 29, 2018, 10:58 am

      @wondering jew

      In fact, it is you should “educate yourself about the realities that Palestinians living in “Israel,” i.e., west of the green line face.”

      To be brief:
      “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
      EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

      Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

      In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, published in 2016, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)
      “Construction, Not Destruction”

      “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

      The entity known as “Israel” (west of the green line) also differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.

      The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

    • Marnie
      Marnie
      November 30, 2018, 12:06 am

      @catalan
      ‘yonah, isn’t this a little like jewsplaining?” Annie
      Wow “jewsplaining” and “Shabos Goy” in the same day. Annie going back to her roots.’

      Shabbos goy is an unfortunate phrase I’ve heard many times by uk and us expats here; they said it with no shame or embarrassment. That expression as well as ‘gentile’ and ‘shiksa’. As yonah often goes to great lengths (line-wise) to pontificate all things jewish, apparently assuming he speaks to an audience without any knowledge, ‘jewsplaining’ is what he does all the time.

      What are you talking about wrt ‘roots’ catalan? Just a random pick from your handy deck of gentile jokes?

      • Marnie
        Marnie
        November 30, 2018, 8:04 am

        I would suggest ‘catalan’, if you don’t like the conclusions drawn by MWsers, why not go to the source of the balagan – in this case the ‘wondering jew’. FFS you a$$hole$ should be able to get on message better as you all basically have been using the same playbook ‘from time immemorial’.

      • catalan
        catalan
        November 30, 2018, 9:20 am

        “Shabbos goy is an unfortunate phrase I’ve heard many times by uk and us expats here; “ marnie
        I don’t know what “here” means. I also don’t know any expats. I live in New Mexico. There are very few Jews here. Most people are deeply religious Christians. I wouldn’t have gotten to my position with any kind of inappropriate talk like that. More importantly, I don’t even think that. My whole life – personal and professional is among “gentiles”. I know very few Jews. None of those I know have ever said anything remotely racist. That said, I can dislike a person who is Muslim or Christian or atheist without hating all. I don’t have to like Annie’s views to avoid being “anti-gentile”. It’s not racist to disagree.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        November 30, 2018, 3:54 pm

        “As yonah often goes to great lengths (line-wise) to pontificate all things jewish, apparently assuming he speaks to an audience…”

        I’m sure he does. They’re all in a cottage at Bletchley Park.

    • Tonja
      Tonja
      November 30, 2018, 10:35 am

      The realities that Palestinians living in Israel face Wondering Jew?
      Here it is, an elected jewish lawmaker born in moldova, former defense minister, who can’t sit, in the Knesset, next to an elected arab lawmaker born in Haifa
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-swaps-knesset-seats-to-avoid-sitting-next-to-arab-mk/

    • ZShaw
      ZShaw
      December 1, 2018, 2:12 am

      I have just finished reading Citizen Strangers by Shira Robinson.

      In her book, Shira Robinson, researches and studies Israeli policies toward the state’s own non-Jewish citizens, Palestinians.

      The answer to the claim posited by the Ha’aretz headline is, “No”.

      They simply have nowhere else to go. Are they to abandon their homes and land and suffer yet another calamity?

      Within two years of declaring itself a state, Israel’s non-Jewish citizens were marching in parades, singing and celebrating Israel’s independence day while carrying the Israeli flag.

      An outsider could not be blamed for assuming that they loved the state of Israel and wanted to be more Catholic than the Pope. That display alone was significant enough.

      But things aren’t always as they appear. Just two years earlier, those same Palestinians who in 1948 were forced to become citizens of the Israeli state were rounded up in town squares and made example of, Lydda, Tantura, and later Kafr Qasim, to name but a few, although the practice was so widespread that every Palestinian village, town or city experienced these practices because Israel wanted to teach these Palestinians a lesson they shall never forget.

      https://mondoweiss.net/2018/11/netanyahu-punishment-palestinians/

      “100 athletes sequestered, searched, and interrogated at gunpoint in its soccer stadium after practice. ”

      Between 1947 – 1949 the Palestinians in Israel who were rounded up in town squares or in schools, never made it out alive. They weren’t simply sequestered or interrogated. Israel instilled in them enough wrath and fear that they found it safer to put on a smile and march to the band’s tune…….figuratively and literally.

      They learned that if they wanted to survive in the new state, they had to put their collective head down and do as they were told. They continue to do so to this day. The military rule that they were subjected to between 1948 and 1966 trained them, like an owner trains a dog, how to be obedient if they wanted to be able to obtain travel permits to get from one town to the next, to get to their places of employment or to visit relatives. These conditions and practices have been seared into their memory. Isn’t that the same language that Israel still uses with regard to Palestinians in the occupied territories?

      Has anyone adopted a rescue dog who’d been abused and neglected? Have you noticed how that dog has a psychological trauma, how it tucks its tail between its legs, cries and scurries away at the slightest sign of perceived — perceived — displeasure with its actions? That’s what Israel has taught it’s non-Jewish citizens. It has taught them that if they want the most basic necessities of survival, shelter, food and water, like a pet dog, they had better roll over or stand at attention whenever instructed to do so.

      In addition, the thousands upon thousands of acres that Israel had confiscated and continues to confiscate from its own non-Jewish citizens has squeezed them into ghettos, leaving them financially, economically and geographically burdened. What happens when there is a land shortage and a population growth with nowhere to build? Property values skyrocket. When property values skyrocket and salaries remain the same, these non-Jews find themselves descending deeper and deeper into poverty. They are banned from Jewish only towns. Where else can they go?

      Any Palestinian citizen of Israel who dares to practice his allegedly democratically given right to simply speak up and voice his opinion against injustice, who dares ask for equal rights, who dares legally challenge the state’s discriminatory laws, faces the wrath of the Israeli tax authority. Many entrepreneurs and businesses have been bankrupted into homelessness and obscurity without any oversight or legal recourse. Israel prefers they work in the services industry, remain obedient and financially dependent.

      So why the fig leaf?

  12. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    November 28, 2018, 11:10 pm

    From that article:

    Not too long ago I spoke with an activist from the Balad party (yes, Balad, an Arab nationalist party). I told him: I want to understand not what you’re willing to fight for, but what you’d like to happen. If it were up to you, without the need for a struggle, would you want to live in “one state” in greater Palestine without Israel? Would you prefer this option over remaining an Israeli citizen? “Not so much,” he answered, but his face showed “not at all.”

    Anyone who answers this question this way has passed a much more significant test of Israeliness than the unfair one that Lieberman presented to Israeli Arabs. The polls confirm this: A huge majority of Israeli Arabs not only don’t want to live in “little Palestine” – about which it’s unclear when and under what conditions it will come into being – they also don’t want to live in the larger Palestine from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River. They want to live in Israel.

    Of course, this doesn’t mean they’re satisfied with their current status in Israel. But an Israeli Arab citizen needs to be very Israeli, not just plain Israeli, to prefer Israeli citizenship over “one state” covering the entire land. And this doesn’t mean they’re not connected to the Palestinian people. Do Jews who prefer to live outside Israel prove they’re not connected to the Jewish people?

    Of course one shouldn’t ignore this specific Israeli problem that stems from the deep national conflict. According to the Palestinian national narrative, one can’t “have it both ways.” Israel may perhaps be accepted de facto, but must not be granted legitimacy. According to this narrative, an Arab citizen can’t be an “Israeli Arab” or “an Israeli Palestinian.” This isn’t about a desire to emphasize the Palestinianness on top of the Arabness, it’s about a refusal, as a matter of principle, to adopt the Israeli label – not even alongside the Palestinian one.

    Most members of the Israeli Arab community accept the Palestinian national narrative and vote for Knesset members who give it expression. However, they don’t adopt the emotional attitude toward Israel that flows from this narrative. Most of them want to have it both ways and are persevering in this despite all the obstacles, including their own national narrative.

    from Alexander Yakobson

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 29, 2018, 7:44 am

      || wondering jew: … an Israeli Arab citizen needs to be very Israeli, not just plain Israeli, to prefer Israeli citizenship over “one state” covering the entire land. And this doesn’t mean they’re not connected to the Palestinian people. Do Jews who prefer to live outside Israel prove they’re not connected to the Jewish people? … ||

      Palestinian Israelis are connected:
      – to Palestine because they are (up to n-generations removed) from Palestine; and
      – to Israel because they are Israeli.

      Non-Israeli Jews (ridiculously referred to as “Jews who prefer to live outside Israel”) are connected:
      – to their non-Israeli homelands because they are (up to n-generations removed) from those homelands;
      – to other Jews because they share a religion-based identity; and, if they are Zionists,
      – to Israel because   they are Israeli   they are from Israel   it is a religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

    • Misterioso
      Misterioso
      November 29, 2018, 11:21 am

      @wondering jew

      Reality:

      “Encountering Peace: Lost love of the homeland”
      By GERSHON BASKIN
      The Jerusalem Post, November 29/18

      EXCERPT:
      “I admit that it is difficult today for me to identify with Israel, to feel pride in Israel, to feel love for the homeland. There is a strong sense that Israel is heading in the wrong direction and that the divisiveness within the country is not incidental, but instigated and directed from above. There are many reasons for this feeling, including:

      “The encouragement of the de-legitimation of the Palestinian citizens of Israel and increasing racism and discrimination against them.

      “The recent demonstrations of ‘commitment to the Jewish identity’ in Afula by the new mayor and municipal council there would be labeled as clear and blatant racism in any other democratic country.

      “This is the direct result of a campaign of de-legitimation launched and orchestrated by Netanyahu for most of the last decade leading the passing of the ‘Nation-state law’ and rejecting the principle of equality as written in Israel’s Declaration of Independence.

      “There is constant de-legitimation by the prime minister and his associates of human rights and civil society organizations working for peace and coexistence.

      “The continual shrinking of free expression by the self-censorship of those who are now afraid to express their political opinions freely – including journalists, television personalities, artists, musicians and other people with a public profile.

      “The legitimation of the closure of Israel’s borders to those who express dissent against the government’s positions.

      “The continual barrage of legislation or attempts to legislate the withering away of democratic rights that were, until a few years ago taken for granted.

      “The significantly growing dissociation of young Jews in the Diaspora from identification with the State of Israel.

      “The abhorrence felt by people all around the world toward Israel, not because of antisemitism – most of them support Israel’s right to exist – but because of Israel’s policies and aggression toward the Palestinian people.

      “The existence and dominance of a freebie newspaper ‘the Bibiton’ Israel Today, which has changed the map of Israel’s news media and which is solely funded by an American billionaire of moral question [i.e., Sheldon Adelson] who backs a white supremacist American president and Israel’s most right-wing prime minister.

      “All of these examples have at their root the unending occupation and continual entrenchment of Israel in the territories it occupied in June 1967, including the construction of development of Israeli settlements and the continual attempts of depopulation of Palestinians. There is a lack of any initiative for resuming a peace process with the Palestinians and there is continued de-legitimation of their leaders.

      “Israel under Netanyahu is facing an existential reality of its own making. The real threats to Israel are not Iran or Hezbollah, Hamas or Islamic Jihad. The real threats are not BDS or antisemitism in the West or in the Muslim world. The real threats to Israel come from the failure to determine a border in the east that leaves millions of Palestinians without citizenship and without democracy under Israel military control, more than one and half million Arab citizens of Israel who are increasingly feeling alienated from their state, and increasing numbers of Israeli Jewish citizens, like me, who are being pushed to dissociate ourselves from our homeland.”

    • Donald
      Donald
      November 29, 2018, 4:10 pm

      I couldn’t read it without doing some sort of signup. It might be a great article, but I didn’t read it.

      Anyway, I am guessing that Israeli Palestinians or whatever the proper term is are probably complicated with varying views. In their shoes I might feel uneasy about a one state if it were to be run by conservative religious people or by the corrupt PA, but don’t know what most Palestinians think.

      As an American it is not my business to say what the solution should be. American citizens should push for America to stop supporting Israeli oppression, apartheid, and war crimes and we can push back against the misinformation put out by some on the pro-Israel side. Palestinians can argue with each other about what their ultimate goal should be, one state or two.

      • gamal
        gamal
        November 29, 2018, 5:30 pm

        “I am guessing that Israeli Palestinians or whatever the proper term is are probably complicated with varying views. In their shoes I might feel uneasy about a one state if it were to be run by conservative religious people or by the corrupt PA, but don’t know what most Palestinians think”

        proper term? Palestinian, what’s wrong with you man, Palestinian.

        corrupt PA, or the corrupt PA, white people don’t have any shame do you Donald.

        “one state or two” oh “one state or two”

        “Palestinians can argue with each other about what their ultimate goal should be”

        nice so no acknowledgment of a century of claiming that they have no rights, no like..er.. understanding of what is going on, cool, so when we fail to live up to your empty ideals can we keep our property or is it forfeit to Israel’s many positive qualities ( which you referenced some years ago but failed to enumerate when asked to do so by an Arab, me, who am i to question an AMERICAN, honestly everyone tells me i don’t know how to behave)

        “As an American it is not my business ” allow me to differ, you are guilty very guilty of failing to hear us, let me be clear Donald I am not your inferior and doubt you have much to teach the likes of me,

        “ultimate goal should be” come on, can’t you see us as human, White Man?

        ultimate goal? boy you have so much to learn…but you don’t hear us and thus will not learn shit.

        Merry Christmas Donald.

        and despite the effort I have taken over you, you just ignore me, i am Donny frankly a bit disappointed, but shit it not the only thing in life that na really work out, at least you feel good that’s the main thing….yes? about Palestine?

      • gamal
        gamal
        November 29, 2018, 6:08 pm

        i mean you could try

        https://youtu.be/4ZE2keke2p4

        only a little thing but it could help.

      • Donald
        Donald
        November 29, 2018, 8:56 pm

        “despite the effort I have taken over you”

        Which is weird.

        Anyway, you have such fun arguing with your version of me I think it would just slow things down if I participate.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      November 30, 2018, 2:32 pm

      There is nothing inherently wrong with a one state solution, from my point of view. (As currently I am a follower of Chaim Gans, it is important that this one state be binational and recognize Jewish nationalism as valid and recognize Palestinian nationalism as also valid), but.
      But one needs to inject an element of realism and it is that realism that the higher up from
      Balad reflected in his attitude towards one state, as reported by Yakobson. There is every reason to believe that the one state paradigm would lead to a lack of democracy and a situation resembling Lebanon or Iraq. As such the backers of this plan should be humble and recognize that there are problems with the one state paradigm and that realistic assessments of what would result are necessary.

      This is not to negate the negatives of the current situation. If one takes Yakobson at his word, the official from Balad is willing to be realistic about the future and we should also be realistic. This is not a prescription, but merely a warning that realistic people with the proper ideological credentials are aware of the reality of the situation and that dismissing reality is a luxury that the Balad official cannot afford. And neither can anyone with a brain or a heart. Brain and heart means that the current situation must cause rebellion or revulsion. But it also means that the future must be faced without illusions or evasions.

      • annie
        annie
        November 30, 2018, 3:14 pm

        If one takes Yakobson at his word, the official from Balad is willing to be realistic about the future

        let’s review “Yakobson at his word”:

        “Not so much,” he answered, but his face showed “not at all.”

        iow, Yakobson chose not to take the official “at his word” he chose to interpret the man’s facial expression instead. it was from the man’s facial expression that yakobson further extrapolated “Anyone who answers this question this way has passed a much more significant test of Israeliness” and a whole bunch of other assumptions.

        i merely suggested letting palestinian speak for themselves.

      • eljay
        eljay
        November 30, 2018, 3:21 pm

        || wondering jew: There is nothing inherently wrong with a one state solution, from my point of view. (As currently I am a follower of Chaim Gans, it is important that this one state be binational and recognize Jewish nationalism as valid and recognize Palestinian nationalism as also valid) … ||

        I agree that there’s nothing wrong with a one-secular-and-democratic-state solution. The nationalism of all people living in and up to n-generations removed from a geographic region is valid.

        “Jewish nationalism” – really just religion-based supremacism – is as invalid as any other type of supremacist nationalism.

        || … Brain and heart means that the current situation must cause rebellion or revulsion. But it also means that the future must be faced without illusions or evasions. ||

        And yet Zionists continue to face the future with both illusions and evasions about how gloriously wonderful have been, are and will continue to be Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        November 30, 2018, 6:35 pm

        And “not so much” reveals nothing?! It reveals plenty. But you cannot accept it, because you must defer to the party line.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 1, 2018, 2:35 am

        “it is important that this one state be binational and recognize Jewish nationalism as valid and recognize Palestinian nationalism as also valid”

        What would this mean in practice? Simply pious declarations, or some sort of legalized separate development? Or some other arrangement?

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 1, 2018, 11:34 am

        “But you cannot accept it, because you must defer to the party line.” “WJ”

        But you, “Yonah” are free to dissent from the Likud-National Orthodox party line and actions. Especially at Mondo, you poor schlimazel.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        December 1, 2018, 2:08 pm

        Roha- binationalism vs secular differences: holidays, culture govt expenditures, immigration policy.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 1, 2018, 7:39 pm

        “holidays, culture govt expenditures, immigration policy.”

        Christian, Muslim, and Jewish holidays are all official public holidays.

        Government supports Arabic and Hebrew theatre.

        No immigrants of any sort allowed.

        Is that the sort of thing you have in mind? Seems easy enough, until the Druze and Baha’is complain.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 1, 2018, 8:02 pm

        “Brain and heart means that the current situation must cause rebellion or revulsion.”

        “Yonah”, Judaism is an un-proselytizing religion, you know.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 8, 2018, 1:30 pm

        “Gans even knows that there never actually was a Jewish nation, which is why he resorts to the literal image of a “profile” – a surprising and original term in the national context – wholly based on ignorance.” Shlomo Sand.

        We’re getting ‘profiled’? How nice.
        And we’re ready for our close-up now, Mr. Gans.

      • RoHa
        RoHa
        December 8, 2018, 7:00 pm

        Turn your best side to the camera.

      • Mooser
        Mooser
        December 8, 2018, 11:34 pm

        “Turn your best side to the camera.”

        No, thank you. You move the camera until I like what I see.

  13. Ossinev
    Ossinev
    November 29, 2018, 7:19 am

    @WJ
    “One staters, please read this article to educate yourself about the realities that Palestinians living in Israel face”

    The biggest reality which they ” face ” is that they are living in their native homeland and will continue to do so unless the foreign colonists embark on a Nakba Mark 2.

    It is the foreign colonists who have huge problems with facing up to realities.

    Tick tick

    • eljay
      eljay
      November 29, 2018, 10:01 am

      || Ossinev: … It is the foreign colonists who have huge problems with facing up to realities. ||

      Probably because they’ve been brainwashed to believe the Zionist fantasy that they:
      – were “Jews who prefer to live outside Israel”; and, now,
      – are Jews who have “returned” to their “ancient homeland”.

  14. Spring Renouncer
    Spring Renouncer
    November 29, 2018, 12:16 pm

    That’s apartheid in an eggshell!

  15. ckg
    ckg
    November 29, 2018, 1:31 pm

    Marc Lamont Hill is being savaged today on Twitter for supporting one democratic state between the river and the sea with equal rights for all. Please head over there to show him some support.

    • ckg
      ckg
      November 29, 2018, 4:22 pm

      Too late. CNN fired him.

    • Spring Renouncer
      Spring Renouncer
      November 29, 2018, 5:18 pm

      I wrote to him on social media in support of his recent advocacy for Palestine. I told him not to back down in the face of pressure from the imperialists. CNN is such a joke. It’s a true badge of honor to have been fired from CNN. I hope he does not cave.

  16. mondonuevo
    mondonuevo
    November 29, 2018, 3:03 pm

    ” It feels very Jim Crow, but that’s the character of religious nationalism.”
    Isn’t it really ethnic and/or racial nationalism, as distinct from religious nationalism, making the comparison to Jim Crow even more apt?

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