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The U.S. mainstream media, with the New York Times in the lead, is covering up a shocking feature of the Netanyahu/Trump annexation plan that would strip 350,000 to 400,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel of their citizenship. The “denationalization” proposal is a crime against humanity, but the American press is ignoring it.

Thabet Abu Rass lives in the affected area, a predominately Palestinian part of northeast Israel known as “The Triangle,” where he heads an organization devoted to promoting peace between Israel’s Jewish and Arab citizens. Here’s how he translated the denationalization proposal:

Just imagine if today Donald Trump would tell Hispanic Americans living in the southwest, in territories annexed to the United States from Mexico in the 19th century, that they are Mexican citizens now and no longer American citizens. . . That is exactly what they are trying to do to us.

Abu Rass’s comments appeared in the independent Israeli daily Haaretz, as part of an excellent report by Judy Maltz. She visited The Triangle, and listened to him and other Palestinian Israelis talk about their fears. Eyed Amer, a high school principal, explains that “there is no contradiction between identifying as Palestinian and being a proud holder of Israeli citizenship.”

Amer says:

You can be proud of your ethnicity and religion, and still want to be Israeli — even if you don’t necessarily identify with all the symbols of the state.

None of this has appeared in the New York Times or anywhere else in the U.S. mainstream. A few days after Trump announced the annexation plan at the White House, Times reporters David Halbfinger and Isabel Kershner took what is for them an unusual step — they contacted a few Palestinians and asked for their views. The two barely hid their satisfaction at the resignation and despair they heard, but every Palestinian they quoted was from the occupied West Bank.

In fact, the Times consistently erases the 20 percent of Israelis living within the 1967 borders who are Palestinian. They have still not done a profile of Ayman Odeh, the leader of the Joint List, the third-largest force in Israeli politics. Nor has the paper ever interviewed Issawi Frej, another Palestinian who actually served in the Israeli Knesset for 6 years as part of the small, left-wing, mostly Jewish Meretz party. 

Haaretz continues to do the reporting that the Times hides from. Amir Tibon and Noa Landau found that it was Benjamin Netanyahu himself who pushed the proposal to denationalize The Triangle’s residents, in a conversation with Jared Kushner back in 2017. The two somehow had no problem eliciting a comment from Ayman Odeh, who denounced what he called Netanyahu’s

dangerous attempt to revoke the citizenship of 400,000 Israeli Arab citizens, who were born here. . . [Netanyahu] is conveying a clear message to all of Israel’s Arab citizens: ‘You are not welcome here and your turn will come when the next plan is released.’

James North

James North is a Mondoweiss Editor-at-Large, and has reported from Africa, Latin America, and Asia for four decades. He lives in New York City.

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  1. Maghlawatan on February 5, 2020, 4:42 pm

    There is no central authority in Judaism. This now applies to ethics. Rabbis in the West Bank cite the King’s Torah . This drives the soldiers. The savagery fuels BDS.

    Israel is out of control. It should be IPOd and spun as far away as possible from the religion. Meanwhile the religion needs a Reformation.

    • Arby on February 13, 2020, 4:46 pm

      I absolutely support the right of people to believe as they wish. That’s because I’m pro human rights. But, I have zero use for – do not agree with – organized religion whatever it is. It is not going to be reformed, according to Christian prophecy. It is going to be destroyed, all of it, including Christendom. John Lennon asked us to imagine “no religion.” Imagine ‘one’ religion: loyalty to the Creator, Jehovah, who is also the Source of life.

      I’m leftwing, but most of those who are leftwing have no use for God or religion. God is less displeased with those who reject him but don’t seek to use him. Unfortunately, While some may use him less than others, everyone on the planet who isn’t a genuine worshipper of Jehovah God uses him in some measure, whether it’s casual speech or a sick State of the Union speech by a fascist president. This world is a toilet. This toilet world is about to be, and needs to be, flushed.

      • RoHa on February 13, 2020, 8:43 pm

        “I absolutely support the right of people to believe as they wish. That’s because I’m pro human rights.”

        I deny that there is any such right. I claim that people have a moral duty to base their beliefs on evidence and reason, regardless of their wishes. (Yes, I base this claim on reason.)

        “God is less displeased with those who reject him but don’t seek to use him.”

        He never mentioned that to me, but we don’t talk much.

        “everyone on the planet who isn’t a genuine worshipper of Jehovah God uses him in some measure”

        Bit of an overstatement there. A large proportion of the the people on the planet never thinks of Jehovah God, let alone worships or uses him.

  2. Maghlawatan on February 5, 2020, 4:49 pm

    Everything that Israel does to the Palestinians will be done in turn to sabra Jews. Because there is no law.

    Someone used to ask “is this good for the Jews?”. Israel is not.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHNzQlufkQE

  3. mondonut on February 5, 2020, 5:58 pm

    … a shocking feature of the Netanyahu/Trump annexation plan that would strip 350,000 to 400,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel of their citizenship.

    I guess it would be too much to expect that this ridiculous claim is actually backed up with relevant quotes from the plan. But then again the plan says nothing of the sort, so…

    And why is it that Israel’s critics can whine of not enough territory for the proposed state while simultaneously complaining of a territorial gain?

    • bcg on February 5, 2020, 6:15 pm

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-sources-netanyahu-sold-u-s-on-moving-israel-s-arabs-to-future-palestinian-state-1.8493920

      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu encouraged the Trump administration to add to its Mideast plan a provision raising the possibility that Israel’s Arab citizens living in an area of Israel known as “The Triangle” would be stripped of their Israeli citizenship and forced to live under Palestinian rule, sources involved in the talks between Israel and the U.S. have said. … Numerous sources who were involved in the discussions between Israel and the U.S. over the so-called “Deal of the Century” unveiled last week in Washington told Haaretz that Netanyahu first discussed this idea with the Trump administration in July 2017, when Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, was visiting Israel…. The final 181-page document mentions this idea, stating that Arab-Israeli citizens residing in a cluster of towns along the Green Line (the pre-1967 borders of Israel) that was given to Israel as part of the 1949 Armistice agreement, could become citizens of a future Palestinian state and lose their Israeli citizenship.

      • mondonut on February 5, 2020, 9:17 pm

        @bcg

        Haaretz is also wrong (or lying), the 181 page document does not state what they claim it does.

      • Talkback on February 6, 2020, 8:42 am

        mondonut is lying, because the 181 page document does state what Haaretz claims it does on page 13:

        “The Triangle Communities consist of Kafr Qara, Ar’ara, Baha al-Gharbiyye, Umm al Fahm, Qalansawe, Tayibe, Kafr Qasim, Tira, Kafr Bara and Jaljulia. These communities, which largely self-identify as Palestinian, were originally designated to fall under Jordanian control during the negotiations of the Armistice Line of 1949, but ultimately were retained by Israel for military reasons that have since been mitigated. The Vision contemplates the possibility, subject to agreement of the parties that the borders of Israel will be redrawn such that the Triangle Communities become part of the State of Palestine. In this agreement, the civil rights of the residents of the triangle communities would be subject to the applicable laws and judicial rulings of the relevant authorities.”

      • mondonut on February 6, 2020, 1:21 pm

        @Talkback, mondonut is lying,

        Hilarious. You actually provide a quote that fails to provide what you claim. Where in your provided quote does it state that anyone will be denationalized?

      • Ernie on February 6, 2020, 2:48 pm

        Thanks for that, Talkback. Exactly what I was going to paste.

        Somehow it’s not as infuriating when a racist twerp humiliates himself/herself with misreadings and such.

      • Talkback on February 7, 2020, 4:10 am

        mondonut: “Hilarious. You actually provide a quote that fails to provide what you claim. Where in your provided quote does it state that anyone will be denationalized?”

        Hilarious. You assume that Israel would allow them to keep their Israeli citizenship which would be the opposite of what is intended with this segregational “proposal”.

    • eljay on February 5, 2020, 6:41 pm

      || mon donut: … why is it that Israel’s critics can whine of not enough territory for the proposed state while simultaneously complaining of a territorial gain? ||

      So, just to be clear, you’re saying that it’s acceptable – and not the least bit anti-Semitic – for a country to alter its borders specifically to exclude its Jewish citizens and strip them of their nationality and their citizenship and associated rights? Wow. With friends like Zionists…

      • mondonut on February 5, 2020, 9:22 pm

        eljay So, just to be clear, you’re saying that it’s acceptable

        That’s not what I said, and you know it. But in your provided example, if the State of Israel were to be offered contiguous territory with 350,000 Jewish residents – the State of Israel (unlike Abbas) would immediately accept.

      • eljay on February 6, 2020, 7:21 am

        || mondonut: … That’s not what I said, and you know it. But in your provided example, if the State of Israel were to be offered contiguous territory with 350,000 Jewish residents – the State of Israel (unlike Abbas) would immediately accept. ||

        That’s not what I said, and you know it. I’m talking about countries re-drawing their borders in order to excise unwanted people. Let me re-state this as clearly as possible in the hope that I might get a clear answer:

        1. Do you believe it is acceptable for Israel to redraw its borders in order effectively to expel non-Jewish Israeli citizens and strip them of their nationality and their citizenship and associated rights?
        Yes / No

        2. If ‘Yes’ to the above, do you believe it is acceptable for other countries to redraw their borders in order effectively to expel Jewish citizens and strip them of their nationalities and their citizenships and associated rights?
        Yes / No

      • Talkback on February 6, 2020, 8:56 am

        mondonut: “But in your provided example, if the State of Israel were to be offered contiguous territory with 350,000 Jewish residents – the State of Israel (unlike Abbas) would immediately accept.”

        So how about occupying Israel and reducing it to less then 20% first, excluding Jerusalem and then denationalizing 350,000 Jews, while keeping another third of the 20%? Israel would immediately accept, right?

      • mondonut on February 6, 2020, 1:29 pm

        @eljay Let me re-state this as clearly as possible in the hope that I might get a clear answer:

        I am not going to to follow you off on another of your hypothetical tangents that neither reflects reality or the proposal. But I will try to make this clear enough even for you to understand.:

        Land swaps have always been a feature of I/P negotiations, this is a land swap offer. The triangle is land the Palestinians routinely claim as their own. The plan (not the Israelis) contemplates that land the Palestinians routinely claim as their own could be part of their future state.

      • eljay on February 6, 2020, 1:58 pm

        || mondonut: … I am not going to to follow you off on another of your hypothetical tangents … ||

        I asked you two extremely straightforward “yes/no” questions and you’re unable to answer either of them. You disappoint me, donut.  :-(

      • Talkback on February 7, 2020, 3:58 am

        mondonut: “But considering the region’s most recent and complete act of ethnic cleansing was when East Jersualem was made judenfrei, ”

        Seriously? “Made Judenfrei”? You do realize that there’s a difference between evacuating an isolating part of war zone, because one side wanted to capture East Jerusalem on the one hand and ethnic cleansing to create an ethnic majority or racist national character on the other, do you. It was the Haganah who brought the Jews of the Jewish quarter into this position. They didn’t even allow these starving Jews to surrender and shot one of the leading Rabbis into the leg after he raised the white flag.

        Regarding “recend and complete” you don’t seem to know anything about the complete expulsion of Nonjews from the more than 400 villages Jews razed to the grounds.

      • Talkback on February 7, 2020, 4:02 am

        mondonut: “I am not going to to follow you off on another of your hypothetical tangents that neither reflects reality or the proposal.”

        eljay was not asking you hypothetical questions. He was asking you questions about what you believe to be acceptable. These were legal and moral questions. And it is understandable why you avoid to answer them.

    • JanetB on February 5, 2020, 7:12 pm

      Why don’t you get that ethnic cleansing is a war crime.

      • mondonut on February 5, 2020, 9:26 pm

        @JanetB , Why don’t you get that ethnic cleansing is a war crime.
        Nobody is being ethnically cleansed, its a proposed land swap. A land swap which incidentally has been turned down by all parties.

      • just on February 5, 2020, 10:08 pm

        It’s dogged Zionism at work.

        There are none so blind as those who will not see … know what I mean? Since some in the world have accused Israel of the most heinous of international crimes and war crimes, unfortunately nobody has held them accountable for all these years (a century)! It’s surreal. Many other genocides have occurred and others are held to account, but never Israel. Stunning and hypocritical in the extreme. But here we are.

      • Maghlawatan on February 6, 2020, 1:00 am

        What is interesting about Kushner’s Allon plan is how unworkable it would be. It shows that Zionism has no clue how to move forward.

        The 3 West Bank cantons and Gaza would operate as the Apartheid SA bantustans did. Except with social media.

        Israel has a chronic problem with BDS and delegitimisation. This plan would feed both.

        Israel is in a structural crisis

      • Talkback on February 6, 2020, 8:57 am

        mondonut: “Nobody is being ethnically cleansed, its a proposed land swap.”

        So you are telling us that Israel would not commit ethnic cleansing, when being backed by the US?

      • mondonut on February 6, 2020, 1:14 pm

        @Talkback So you are telling us that Israel would not commit ethnic cleansing,…

        Nope, the only thing I am telling you in this thread is that land swaps do not constitute ethnic cleansing.

      • Talkback on February 6, 2020, 1:27 pm

        mondonut: “Nope, the only thing I am telling you in this thread is that land swaps do not constitute ethnic cleansing.”

        So you can’t say for sure that Israel wouldn’t commit ethnic cleansing if backed by the US and given it’s history of ethnic cleansing.

      • mondonut on February 6, 2020, 4:55 pm

        @Talkback , So you can’t say for sure that Israel wouldn’t commit ethnic cleansing

        Of course not, I do not speak for the Israelis or the U.S.

        I also can’t say for sure that the Palestinians wouldn’t commit ethnic cleansing if they were granted Jerusalem as they demand. But considering the region’s most recent and complete act of ethnic cleansing was when East Jersualem was made judenfrei, I would not bet against the Palestinians.

    • Peter in SF on February 5, 2020, 11:22 pm

      I guess it would be too much to expect that this ridiculous claim is actually backed up with relevant quotes from the plan. But then again the plan says nothing of the sort, so…

      The Haaretz article does quote the plan. If you’re following along at home, their quote comes from the 6th point on page 13 of the plan.

      • mondonut on February 6, 2020, 1:32 pm

        @Peter in SF , The Haaretz article does quote the plan.

        The Haaretz article is behind a paywall. My comment was directed to James North, not Haaretz. And the 181 page document says nothing of denationalizing anyone.

    • dgfincham on February 6, 2020, 3:15 pm

      KUSHNER’S DOCUMENT SAYS: The Vision contemplates the possibility, subject to agreement of the parties, that the borders of Israel will be redrawn such that the Triangle Communities become part of the State of Palestine.” A possibility, subject to agreement, is not a decision to strip people of their citizenship.

      Also, Kushner’s document starts with this: The role of the United States as facilitator in this process has been to collect ideas from around the world, compile them, and propose a detailed set of recommendations that can realistically and appropriately solve the conflict. The role of the United States is also to work together with other well-meaning countries and organizations to assist the parties in reaching a resolution to the conflict. But only the Israelis and Palestinians themselves can make the decision to forge a lasting peace together. The final, specific details of the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Agreement, must be worked out directly between the parties.”

      It is the Israelis and Palestinians who have to create a peace agreement. Kushner has limited himself to providing ideas and recommendations.

      • Talkback on February 7, 2020, 4:21 am

        dgfincham: “A possibility, subject to agreement, is not a decision to strip people of their citizenship.”

        This “possibility” is all about stripping Israeli Nonjews of their Israeli citizenship to reduce the number of Nonjews to retain long term Jewish majority. It’s not surprising at all that this is the major part of the racist Lieberman Plan of 2004.

        “The poll also showed that 62 percent of the Arab population in Israel fears that the “triangle” area will be ceded to a future Palestinian state and 60 percent say they fear a mass expulsion from Israel. … , the poll shows that fears among the Israeli Arab population, with 80 percent saying they fear mass land expropriations on the part of the state, and 73.8 percent saying they fear they will suffer violence from Israeli authorities, and 71.5 percent from Israeli citizens. ”
        https://www.haaretz.com/1.4810494

  4. CHUCKMAN on February 5, 2020, 9:04 pm

    Pretty scary stuff.

    Israeli society has many times talked about the “problem” of having a substantial number of Palestinian citizens of Israel.

    There have been many rather vicious proposals, including just driving them all out.

    Netanyahu has long talked of them as being a danger at Israel’s breast.

    Even though legal citizens, they do not enjoy equal rights. They discriminated against in many ways.

    Their presence was not planned or wanted. It was an accident of the war and terror Israel employed in 1948.

    Just as Gaza’s dense population started largely as refugees running away from Israeli terror inland.

    Israel’s present political crisis, heading toward still another election, as many will know, exists only because neither Netanyahu or Gantz will have anything to do with Palestinian political parties.

    The most extreme raving ultra Orthodox types are fine, but respectable middle class Palestinian politicians are anathema.

    • mondonut on February 5, 2020, 9:30 pm

      @CHUCKMAN Pretty scary stuff.

      So in any future land swaps or proposed alterations to to this plan, the Israelis must offer land with primarily Jewish residents. Because otherwise – pretty scary stuff.

    • CHUCKMAN on February 7, 2020, 6:06 am

      I do hope some of our important international organizations, despite having been much intimidated by the Trump gangsters, speak out on this.

      There are no legal means to just take away the passports of hundreds of thousands of citizens in any country.

      It’s something you expect from a figure like Stalin with no regard for rule of law.

      But of course, what has been legal about a single step Trump has taken with regard to giving Israel what he has no authority to give?

      Or to taking away from Iran and threatening it, a country which has scrupulously kept its treaty obligations and has never started a war?

      It resents nothing more principled than swapping American policies in the Middle East for campaign funds back home.

      Imagine, literally buying the destinies of tens of millions of other human beings that way?

  5. Nathan on February 5, 2020, 10:17 pm

    It should be stated that the “Deal of the Century” will not be implemented, so there isn’t any real concern that territory will be handed over to a Palestinian state, and that those living in the territory in question will lose their Israeli citizenship (becoming citizens of the State of Palestine). It is very interesting to notice the clear and firm position of the Palestinian citizens of Israel who insist that they will remain citizens of Israel. The above article asserts that the loss of citizenship is a crime, but the author doesn’t feel that it is worthy of mention that the Arab citizens of Israel want to be in Israel, and they want to be citizens of Israel.

    The loss of Israeli citizenship is totally theoretical. The two sides will have to agree about it, and we all know that there won’t be any such agreement. So the real newsy item is the reaction of the residents of the Triangle. An article in Mondoweiss is meant to promote an anti-Israel agenda, so obviously the angle presented here is about “a crime against humanity” that hasn’t happened. Moreover, it is also obvious that no positive comment about Israel could be published in an article here. Fortunately, in the comments’ section, it is possible to point out some aspect of life in Israel that is worthy of praise: Life is good in Israel. The Arab citizens of Israel identify as Palestinians, and they support the Palestinian cause. But they want to live in Israel, and they do not wish to be part of a Palestinian state. In a balanced article, this interesting truth should have been brought to the attention of the reader.

    • Peter in SF on February 5, 2020, 11:02 pm

      Moreover, it is also obvious that no positive comment about Israel could be published in an article here. Fortunately, in the comments’ section, it is possible to point out some aspect of life in Israel that is worthy of praise: Life is good in Israel. The Arab citizens of Israel identify as Palestinians, and they support the Palestinian cause. But they want to live in Israel, and they do not wish to be part of a Palestinian state. In a balanced article, this interesting truth should have been brought to the attention of the reader.

      This interesting truth is being brought to the attention of the reader. Why do these Palestinians want to remain in Israel as Israeli citizens and not in the other proposed state in Palestine as citizens there? Because they know that the other state would be under the oppressive control of Israel, something they can see very clearly right now in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories. As an American analogy, think of if a majority-white city tried to get a poor and largely non-white part of the city to separate from it and incorporate as a new city. Such a move would be sold as letting the unhappy people living in those neighborhoods to have more local control, but those same people would oppose it because they would expect it to result in lower-quality public services. Not because they thought the city was treating them well — actually their reason is the opposite.

      • Nathan on February 6, 2020, 7:12 am

        Peter in SF – There’s no need for an American analogy, and you don’t have to decide what someone else is thinking. Just talk to the Arabs who live in the Triangle. Read an Arabic language newspaper. The Arab citizens of Israel will tell you that they want to live in Israel, and they want to be Israeli citizens. They have complaints, but they know that Israel is a democracy and its standard of living is high. They’ll tell you that they are afraid to be citizens of an Arab state. Actually, they’ll tell you that if in fact the Triangle will come under Palestinian rule, they will move to the nearby Jewish towns and keep their status as citizens of Israel.

        So, here’s the world of the Arabs in Israel. They’ll tell you that the Jews should not have come to the country. They’ll tell you that the Jews had no right to found their state, and they’ll tell you that Israeli citizenship was forced on them in 1948. And, yet they insist on being Israeli citizens, and they want to live in Israel. They want to live in a nice society where they can continue complaining as much as they like.

      • Talkback on February 6, 2020, 9:04 am

        It’s funny when Nathan tells us to read an “Arabic” source whenever he makes claims that cannot be verified otherweise. Now, if that were the truth, wouldn’t we find the news in an Hebrew newspaper and even being translated in English for Hasbara reasons? No? How convenient, Nathan. Why don’t you link an Arabic source? It should be online nowadays, right?

        And isn’t it also convinient that you avoid the argument that these Nonjews obviously prefer to live in a Jewish Apartheid state with fewer rights than Jews, instead of living under a Jewish occupation with even fewer rights than Nonjewish Israelis?

      • Talkback on February 9, 2020, 12:42 pm

        Still waiting for that Arab source, Nathan. Or did I caught you lying, again?

  6. wondering jew on February 5, 2020, 10:33 pm

    I am unsure of what is contained in the Trump peace plan regarding this territory, but this idea has been floated before. The redrawing of boundaries is contained in the idea of land swaps, although the motivation to swap one territory rather than another might have nonharmonious causes. Nonetheless the following conditions seem to me to suffice to make such a proposal acceptable: 1. anyone who has Israeli citizenship cannot be deprived of this citizenship by the redrawing of these borders. (as far as deeding this citizenship to future children, that is a separate question, but if one is a citizen of israel and the territory is ceded to a new country of palestine or to some already established country, that citizen will continue to be an Israeli citizen, only now living abroad, not by an act of migration, but by an act of redrawing of boundaries. 2. Anyone with Israeli citizenship can choose to leave territories that have been ceded to a new country and move to elsewhere in Israel. Just as settlers in Gaza moved to new places in Israel after the land was ceded to Hamas, so the inhabitants of these territories should expect compensation and aid to help them move elsewhere in Israel.

    • Peter in SF on February 5, 2020, 11:18 pm

      Just as settlers in Gaza moved to new places in Israel after the land was ceded to Hamas,

      The land on which the Israeli settlers in Gaza were living remained Israeli-occupied territory, subcontracted at the time to the Palestinian Authority, which was not run by Hamas.

      so the inhabitants of these territories should expect compensation and aid to help them move elsewhere in Israel.

      Why? Tell me where in the world that has been done before when borders have changed. (Your example is not about a change in borders.)

    • just on February 6, 2020, 5:32 am

      Thank you, James. ‘wondering jew’ ~ you can read and be assured of what is there. Right?

      Here, for you and ‘mondonut’, et al:

      https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf

    • oldgeezer on February 6, 2020, 7:19 am

      @wj

      On the surface your proposed conditions would seem relatively reasonable. While you dont’ explicitly state it I am presuming that any Palestinian who is Israeli and opts to remain in the new state of Palestine would retainIsraeli citizenship for life and have a right of return at any point in the future. At least until they intentionally revoke it. There are a number of problems with it though. What is the quality of the lands involved in the swap? One of the major crimes of Israel is it’s theft of resources. Is Israel claiming resource (water) rich land and offering resource poor land in return? Hardly a swap but a steal if that’s that the case. Who is going to build or provide a new place to live inside of Israel for those Palestinians who don’t wish to move? Where will they be permitted to live? How is that in relation to their place of employment? Imagine being forced into poverty because you are relocated away from your employment merely for the crime of wanting to remain in the country of your birth? And let’s be honest and face reality. Israel has made life as miserable as possible for it’s nonJewish citizens for as long as it’s existed. It doesn’t invest in it’s nonJewish citizens or their needs. It provides bare minimums with oppression and suspiscion on top as a bonus.
      As an aside what person would feel loyal to a state that’s wants to swap them out to get rid of them. I state that not in relation to your proposal but to the mere fact that Israel loves this plan. What message has it sent. If Palestinians become disloyal then you can’t blame them. Back on the issue there is so much more I could add but suffice it to say that Israel has the capacity and capability to meet that proposal both completely and quickly. Given it’s history and the current racism which reigns supreme in Israeli society there’s no way they would do either short order or completely.

      Of course all of that being said any land swap is a smaller issue when compared to the theft of land by Israel, the illegal annexation of any of it, the lack of soveriegnty and autonomy for Palestinians, the deprivation of their basic human rights, etc. That what is being offered is not a state and not autonomous at all. Less autonomous than a city is from higher gov levels. In short none whatsoever. It’s apartheid pure and simple.

    • eljay on February 6, 2020, 7:59 am

      || wondering jew: … Anyone with Israeli citizenship can choose to leave territories that have been ceded to a new country and move to elsewhere in Israel. Just as settlers in Gaza moved to new places in Israel after the land was ceded to Hamas … ||

      The “settlers in Gaza” were Israeli colonists who had no right to be there in the first place. And Gaza was ceded to the Palestinians, not to Hamas.

      But the removal of Israeli colonists from Gaza shares the same rationale as the desire to excise non-Jews from Israel: Minimizing “demographic threats” to Jewish / “Jewish State” supremacism.

  7. Peter in SF on February 5, 2020, 11:37 pm

    Just imagine if today Donald Trump would tell Hispanic Americans living in the southwest, in territories annexed to the United States from Mexico in the 19th century, that they are Mexican citizens now and no longer American citizens. . . That is exactly what they are trying to do to us.

    The similarity wouldn’t be accurate unless the United States returned those territories to Mexican sovereignty.

    But now that you mention it, if Donald Trump offered to return California to Mexican sovereignty and took away U.S. citizenship from the people residing here, that would be a brilliant way to get rid of a state he doesn’t like. He actually won the popular vote outside of California in the 2016 election.

  8. Vera Gottlieb on February 6, 2020, 8:44 am

    The epitome of dishonesty. But then…dishonesty flows in so many American veins.

  9. James Canning on February 6, 2020, 11:02 am

    Israel’s object obviously is to annex territories with relatively few Muslims, and its concurrent plan to get rid of small areas with too many Muslims (or other non-Jews) is no surprise. Also, no surprise that this scheme is suppressed in US news sources.

  10. Misterioso on February 6, 2020, 2:44 pm

    Words of wisdom:

    Opinion “Israel’s Right Wing Is Worse Than Europe’s” by Zeev Sternhell, Haaretz, July 19/19

    “From the end of the 19th century, radical, anti-liberal nationalism – after serving as a basis for fascism throughout Europe and Nazism in Germany, and despite calling itself an ideology of national unity – essentially became an ideology of civil war. Hostility toward different categories of citizens, not just ethnic minorities but ideological adversaries, became a primary tool of nationalists. So it was in the past and so it is today in countries where vicious nationalism rules: From ostensibly democratic India, which abuses its minorities, to Poland and Hungary, to Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel, which is consciously moving toward becoming an apartheid state.

    “In truth, the Israeli right, which maintains the settlements with their racist, backward rabbis, is much worse that the European nationalist right, which is wary of displaying open racism and anti-Semitism, lest it be accused of fostering an ideology akin to Nazism. Here we have no such problem because hey, we’re all Jews, and who would dare accuse a Jew of approximating the kind of Nazi ideology that preceded World War II? Therefore we get an education minister who is ignorant, not just on sexual matters but also of history, feeling no qualms about calling for the annexation of millions of Arabs while cynically denying them of political rights.

    “In all Europe, the pre-fascist and pre-Nazi nationalists were united in their hatred of human rights and enlightened principles, of socialists, intellectuals, pluralism and democratic government based on a division of authority. The Polish government and the Netanyahu government are similar not only because both foster hatred among their citizens as a tool of governing, but because they are both promoting a historical fabrication industry on a colossal scale.

    “It is thus highly significant that radical nationalism, which fueled Europe’s disaster in the 20th century, developed not only in Germany in the form of revolutionary conservatism but also in the France of the human rights revolution of 1789. The Jews were its greatest victims but not its only victims. Anti-Semitism was not an accident that happened to European history, nor did fascism and Nazism suddenly land from outer space.

    “The craft of lying and fabrication is an accepted operating method by radical nationalists for inventing a narrative that meets the needs of nationalist politics. Anything goes for the sake of establishing this narrative – from censoring archives, as is the case here, to unprecedented legislation that distorts history, as in Poland (and supported by Israel). Even if everyone knows that atrocities occurred in the War of Independence, the Haaretz investigative report showed us that the Israeli government, like the Polish government, is not only working to conceal facts, but also to ensure that today’s governmental fabrication becomes tomorrow’s truth. Following in the ways of the Poles is a triple betrayal: of the Holocaust’s legacy, of the fight against anti-Semitism and of historical truth.

    “Just as the Poles define anti-Semitism to suit the needs of their national narrative – to their thinking, the nationalist underground that refused to help Jews was not in the least anti-Semitic – so, too, the Israeli right has invented its own definition: Any criticism of Israel; of the occupation; of the call to annex millions of people in total disregard of their desires, their identity and their rights; and of the Bible as the basis for our claim to the territory – is anti-Semitic. The same goes, of course, for a boycott of the settlements and their products, of West Bank tourism and its ‘university’: Likening such a legitimate political act with anti-Semitism is just another fabrication of Jewish history for the sake of Israeli nationalist politics.”
    _________________________________________________________.
    Zeev Sternhell is a Polish-born Israeli historian, political scientist, commentator on the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, and writer. He is one of the world’s leading experts on fascism. Sternhell headed the Department of Political Science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

  11. Jejasalo on February 6, 2020, 4:01 pm

    How unsurprising that this critical bit of information has not been covered by the US mainstream media. For anyone interested, David Hearst of Middle East Eye wrote an excellent article about this potential nakba or population transfer the day the Trump plan came out. Gideon Levy of Haaretz has also written about it – even had an article called The Third Nakba the day after the plan came out. Then there is the amazing Jonathan Cook in Nazareth Israel/Palestine who wrote about this very issue for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs back in the spring/summer of 2017. The details are all spelled out clearly and frighteningly. This is not new – and its implementation could take place right before our eyes without anyone on this side of the Atlantic blinking. As Usual.

  12. Shiralee on February 7, 2020, 1:21 am

    @Mondonut

    “it’s a straight forward land swap”. Well PEOPLE, you know fellow human beings, live on that land, and nothing about that should be “straight forward”.

  13. ahadhaadam on February 7, 2020, 5:03 am

    The analogy proposed is a very bad one since Mexico is a sovereign state with contiguous territory, while the Palestinian Authority is nothing but separated ghettos/bantustans under Israel’s control that would not be even afforded the title of State.

    So no, the analogy would be the equivalent of the United States stripping the citizenship of Jews in some Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn and “ceding” those enclaves to a Jewish judenrat. Naturally, the US would retain the right to raid, arrest, kill and demolish homes of any Jews who may protest this move. Jews who work outside Brooklyn would have to apply fora security permit to pass through security fences. Minimum wage or any other protection of the law will not apply since they won’t be US citizens anymore. Nothing and nobody will come into or go outside of Brooklyn without proper permission by the United States, which will define itself through the Constitution as a state belonging to Christians only.

  14. Jackdaw on February 11, 2020, 5:04 am

    For a journalist who writes a whole lot about Israel, I don’t see that James North has ever visited Israel, much less lived here.

    So, it’s comes as no surprise that James can’t explain why it is that oppressed, second class apartheid victim Israeli-Arabs, want to remain Israeli, and not citizens of a Palestinian State.

    What do Israeli Arabs know that James doesn’t know?

    James?
    James?

    • Talkback on February 11, 2020, 8:49 am

      Jackdaw: “What do Israeli Arabs know that James doesn’t know?”

      Something that you don’t know: What life is under Israeli illegaly prolonged occupation. And that includes working for Jews in occupied territory without a right to minimum wage which is only reserved for Israeli citizens. So much for colonial exploitation.

      • Jackdaw on February 11, 2020, 3:00 pm

        @talkxxxx

        Israeli Arabs living in the Triangle work for Jews in the Occupies Territory?
        WTF are you talking about?

        When was the last time you visited/lived in Israel?

        Talkxxxx?
        Talkxxxx?

      • Talkback on February 11, 2020, 6:59 pm

        Jackxxx: “Israeli Arabs living in the Triangle work for Jews in the Occupies Territory?”

        No, Israeli Palsetinans know from their fellow occupied Palestinans what life under Israeli occupation means. The latter are exploited by illegal Jewish settlers.

        Jackxxx: “WTF are you talking about?

        When was the last time you visited/lived in Israel?

        Talkxxxx?
        Talkxxxx?”

        Stay calm and take your medicine. Otherwise it’s the straight jacket for you, again. I’m serious.

      • MHughes976 on February 12, 2020, 6:12 am

        It’s very hard to see how a rational Israeli Palestinian would wish to swap what (s)he’s got for life in Trumpopakestine, much hemmed in and with Israel’s sword hanging over every head. I read a long article in Haaretz, somehow outside the paywall, which reported the views of some in the Triangle, one a Meretz MK until just recently – he took the Meretz line. There was a woman who didn’t want to be bothered about politics because she had a business to run and another man who said that he was a proud Palestinian Muslim but also a ‘proud Israeli’. It did strike me that they might not have been saying everything they thought and that they might think differently were they being offered a proud Palestine rather than a miserable little Stan. And they are far from justifying Israel’s foundation. However their words at face value had a very Altneuland ring.

      • eljay on February 12, 2020, 8:38 am

        || MHughes976: It’s very hard to see how a rational Israeli Palestinian would wish to swap what (s)he’s got for life in Trumpopakestine, much hemmed in and with Israel’s sword hanging over every head. … ||

        The rapist’s friend sneers, You say that Joe’s wife, Jane, is oppressed and mistreated but you can’t explain why she wants to remain upstairs as his wife rather than be chained in the basement like those other women. What does she know that you don’t know?

        Jackdaw’s taunt is the Zionist equivalent.

      • jon s on February 12, 2020, 11:22 am

        MHughes, Yes, according to a recent poll 65% of Israeli Arabs (Palestinians who are Israeli citizens) are proud to be Israelis.

      • Mooser on February 12, 2020, 11:37 am

        “However their words at face value had a very Altneuland ring.”

        And wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, the article was free, too!

      • Talkback on February 13, 2020, 8:53 am

        jon s: “Hughes, Yes, according to a recent poll 65% of Israeli Arabs (Palestinians who are Israeli citizens) are proud to be Israelis.”

        That’s what I would say, too, if I were a Nonjew living in a society which openly supports ethnic cleansing, denationalization and Apartheid. As a Jew I would have even said “Heil Hitler” in Nazi Germany to be a good boy.

      • Mooser on February 18, 2020, 3:35 pm

        “Stay calm and take your medicine. Otherwise it’s the straight jacket for you, again.”

        We shouldn’t jump to a conclusion like that, “talkback”.
        It may just be part of his aging process. There’s more of the grave than the gravitas about “Jackdaw”.

  15. Jackdaw on February 12, 2020, 12:56 am

    @talkxxxx

    Last time I ask.

    When was the last time you visited/lived in Israel?

    When, talkxxxx?
    When?

    • Talkback on February 12, 2020, 8:32 am

      Jackdaw “@talkxxxx”

      Yes, Zionist infantile.

      Jackdaw: “When was the last time you visited/lived in Israel?”

      When was the last time you lived under Israeli occupation and couldn’t even visit your own land, home or property?

      • Jackdaw on February 12, 2020, 11:04 am

        @talkxxxx

        Just like I figured, another armchair Lawrence of Arabia.
        All talk.

      • Talkback on February 13, 2020, 2:10 pm

        What’s your point, Jackxxx? That somebody has to visit/live in Israel to know what it is like to live under its occupation?

        Your Apartheid state wouldn’t even allow me to enter, because its fake “democracy” can’t handle real dissent.
        All denial.

  16. Jackdaw on February 13, 2020, 5:14 pm

    @talkxxxx

    I’m sorry.
    I may have misunderstood.

    When you tried to enter Israel, what happened to you?

    • Talkback on February 14, 2020, 6:04 am

      Again Jackxxx, what’s your point? You wrote: “.. James can’t explain why it is that oppressed, second class apartheid victim Israeli-Arabs, want to remain Israeli, and not citizens of a Palestinian State.”

      And I gave you an explanation. Since then you are unable to response to that without asking me PUBLICLY (and total unnecessery) PERSONAL questions which allready make me feel like I’m at the airport of your beloved Apartheid state. Sorry, but this is neither Israel nor occupied Palestine.

      Would you like to talk abot the latter? Fine by me. If not, I’m going to ignore your next personal question.

      • Jackdaw on February 16, 2020, 2:33 am

        Neither you or James North have never visited Israel, or ‘Palestine’, yet you comment like pundits.

        How can you really pass judgment on Israeli Jews or articulate the feelings of the Arabs here, when you’ve never stepped foot in the place?

        Talkback, the armchair Lawerence of Arabia.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noyFiYKlFJU

      • Talkback on February 16, 2020, 12:10 pm

        Jackdaw: “Neither you or James North have never visited Israel, or ‘Palestine’, yet you comment like pundits.”

        I have been, twice, but since you have never been to Nazi Germany, you have no right to judge Nazism or Nazis according to your imbecile reasoning, right?

        Jackdaw, the narishe Zionist:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMRwk8WDd4

      • RoHa on February 16, 2020, 9:55 pm

        “How can you really pass judgment on Israeli Jews … when you’ve never stepped foot in the place?”

        One does not need to visit the scene of the crime in order to pass judgement on the perpetrators.

      • Mooser on February 21, 2020, 6:36 pm

        “One does not need to visit the scene of the crime in order to pass judgement on the perpetrators.”

        Come to think of it, never, ever not once in my life has anybody or any organization demanded I must visit Israel and talk to Arabs before I make a contribution, or form a positive attitude towards Israel. That, you’re allowed to do with no evidence or observation.

  17. Jackdaw on February 18, 2020, 12:46 am

    The crime occurred one hundred years ago when local Arabs began slaughtering innocent defenseless Jews, whether or not they were Zionists.

    Slaugtered Jews, because they were Jews.

    Murdered in cold blood, in the 1920’s, and than again the 1930’s.

    The Arabs drew ‘first blood’.
    Case closed.

    As far as talkxxxx, I ask, When did you have your epiphany? When did you realise that you were the anointed one, placed here on G-d’s earth to free the Arab people from bondage and bring them to the holy land?

    When did you realize that you had a mission? Walk us through.

    • Talkback on February 18, 2020, 10:45 am

      Jackdaw: “The crime occurred one hundred years ago when local Arabs began slaughtering innocent defenseless Jews, whether or not they were Zionists.”

      That was not the initial crime, but a criminal reaction to the initial crime.

      Jackdaw: “The Arabs drew ‘first blood’.
      Case closed.”

      You did forget the Jewish legion, again. Case closed.

      Jackdaw: “When did you have your epiphany? When did you realise that you were the anointed one, placed here on G-d’s earth to free the Arab people from bondage and bring them to the holy land?

      When did you realize that you had a mission? Walk us through.”

      We may have to increase your medication. Your delusions are getting out of control. Zionist indoctrination is a terrible, terrible thing.

    • Mooser on February 21, 2020, 6:13 pm

      “The Arabs drew ‘first blood’.” “Jackdaw”

      For those who may not understand, “first blood” and eternal vendetta against those who “drew first blood” is a very important religious and cultural protocol for us. As a Ha – kahuna song says:

      ” makhn a rshimh aun kontrolirn es tsvey mol. bazunder di shlekht fun di gute.

      • RoHa on February 24, 2020, 12:27 am

        Is that the song the wart hog and the meerkat sing in “The Lion King”?

  18. Jackdaw on February 19, 2020, 3:00 am

    The Jewish Legion fought the Turks, not the local Arabs.
    Some Jewish Legionnaires defended Jewish civilians from attacks by local Arabs in the 1920’s.

    First blood was drawn by the Arabs. Jewish blood.
    Your singular, obsessive brain can’t wrap itself around that concept.

    First blood.

    • Talkback on February 19, 2020, 9:43 am

      Jackdaw: “The Jewish Legion fought the Turks, not the local Arabs.”

      But they fought to seize Palestine from the Ottoman Empire and exaxtly these local Arabs and let the British do the rest of the dirty work on their behalf. The Balfour Declaration was nothing else than a present to Zionist Jews who managed to draw the US into WW1 according to British archives.

      Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians
      https://www.972mag.com/before-zionism-the-shared-life-of-jews-and-palestinians/

      Jackdaw: “Your singular, obsessive brain can’t wrap itself around that concept.”

      I understand the reasons why people defend against settlers who want to conquer land, even if they make the mistake to attack innocents.

      • Jackdaw on February 19, 2020, 3:08 pm

        @talkxxxx

        “But they fought to seize Palestine from the Ottoman Empire and exaxtly these local Arabs and let the British do the rest of the dirty work on their behalf.”

        When you don’t know what your talking about, you ought not to talk.

        The Ottomans suppressed both Arab and Jewish nationalism, and were anti-nationalist to the point of genocide. Remember the Armenians?

        Talkxxxx. How can you forget Faisal’s Arab Uprising against the Turks? You were there, right?

        The local Arabs of Palestine were whipped into an anti-Jewish frenzy by local Arab religious fanatics doing the bidding of the Palestinian effendi class, and possibly with British connivance.

      • Mooser on February 21, 2020, 6:16 pm

        “You were there, right?”

        ‘Vas you dere, Charley?

    • echinococcus on February 19, 2020, 10:57 am

      First blood?
      No matter how manieth, that’s what invaders anywhere should expect.
      They declared officially in 1897 that they were invading and colonizing Palestine. Duh.
      Don’t know what took so long for the Palestinians to wake up — probably their eceptionally patient nature.

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