Tonight at Harvard they had a panel on the "road to peace after Gaza," with former State Department official Nicholas Burns, who described the Israeli elections as a "hung election," moderating between Shai Feldman and Rashid Khalidi.
Khalidi said there was a "glimmer" of hope that there would be progress on achieving a Palestinian state under Obama, but this means talking to Hamas. "Try not talking to the IRA in northern Ireland. Try not talking to the Provos. They'd still be killing each other."
Later he was more pessimistic. He said he had "grave doubts" whether the "inexorable processes" that Israel has set in motion since the early 90s, when Palestinians mingled in Israeli life, could be reversed. Not just the occupation, but the administrative/military structure around it. "One in 11 Jews now lives on land taken since 1967." Both peoples still generally want two states. But how do we get there? As for one state, neither really wants that. And how do you get there?
Briefly Khalidi became passionate. In Israel proper there are 1 million Palestinians, while "the rest are helots with no rights." Inevitably they will "rebel… again and again." As for the wall, it separates Palestinians from Palestinians…
Deeply dispiriting. Especially as this was served up with the Harvard spirit of balance. Though Feldman agreed that Gaza was "a large prison" and the only way things would change would be through American "leverage."
(Phil Weiss)
Good news is off topic here, but here's some from Canada:
MONTREAL — After one of its jurors resigned in protest last year, a long-established Quebec film festival dropped a prize created and sponsored by the Jewish community intended to promote tolerance because festival organizers feel it’s inappropriate to be associated with any “political pressure” group.
Les Rendez-vous du Cinéma Québécois, whose 27th edition opens Feb. 18, will not be presenting the $5,000 Alex and Ruth Dworkin Prize, which since 2006 had been awarded to a film that contributes to understanding among different people.
The prize became a source of controversy last year when one of the festival’s three jurors, Malcolm Guy, resigned because of the purported rigidly pro-Israel stance of Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC), which helped conceive the award, and the Dworkins’ support of the Jewish National Fund (JNF).
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Though Feldman agreed that Gaza was "a large prison" and the only way things would change would be through American "leverage."
There is also the possibility that the US will realize that they really have no 'leverage' and it might be best for us to simply accept that fact, back off and let the warring tribes do what they do best — kill each other.
That means cutting off aid to Israel. Sit back, break out the popcorn, and watch the show. It sounds brutal, but the US hasn't done much better so far.
Excellent news Delia, thank you.
Anyone know why Avi.Burg, yesterday scheduled to be on Charlie Rose tonight, is no longer scheduled?
I'm as pessimistic about a "road to peace" as anyone, but please, "syvanen" . . . break out the popcorn and watch the show?! Let them kill each other?! Well, hell, WTF, it's only Jews ands A-rabs, right?
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If it's Arabs killing Arabs, then it all good fun for some….
Israel needs extremists in Occuppied Palestinian Territories.
TERRIBLE NEWS: Tikkun magazine editor Rabbi Michael Lerner, a powerful voice for peace and justice, has been diagnosed with a rare form of lung cancer. [url=link to tikkun.org
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Funny how hard core Palestinian peace organizations turned their backs on Lerner.
yeah, chris, we know, we know–better drink some more coffee.
With Avigdor Lieberman poised to play the role of coalition kingmaker after Tuesday’s Israeli electoral tangle, some Jewish groups here are readying a hasbara campaign aimed at convincing Americans that the Yisrael Beiteinu leader is not the racist and political extremist portrayed in the Israeli and international media.
Hamas Charter:
The Prophet, Allah's prayer and peace be upon him, says: "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Recorded in the Hadith collections of Bukhari and Muslim).
Hamas is the representative of the Palestinian people and as long as they believe this charter what's there to discuss?
The Talmud?
Slaves have a moral obligation to kill their masters. That some can transform that obligation into reconciliation is a testatment to the values of humanity and provides hope for the future. That some can transfer that obligation against a population who were not their masters is a testament to the need for revenge that also inhabits human kind's soul and creates a foreboding of things to come. The struggle for survival is one source of humankind's enduring anxiety. Nationalism is not its cure.
Slaves have no moral obligation to kill their masters. They have a moral right to escape.
"Hamas Charter"
I doubt the Israeli charter is much different with regards to the Palestinians, the difference is, the Israelis try to convince people that they want peace.
You doubt? You actually mean you have no idea but any guess will be okay? After all, we're talking about Jews.
Actually, I was talking about Israelis. Not sure why you think they're one and the same…
I'm merely aping the Islamists who consider them the same. And Philip, of course.
A video of the discussion can be now be viewed online.
http://www.iop.harvard.edu/Multimedia-Center/All-Videos/The-Road-to-Peace-After-Gaza
Actually, chris berel is the one who conflates jews with israelis right or wrong. zionist is as zionist does. zionists ape nazis. they have the same core values, only the names have changed to fuck the innocents of choice.