This is a fuller video than the short, shocking video we posted last night depicting the killing of Bassem Ibrahim Abu Ramah yesterday at the weekly protest of the confiscatory wall in the West Bank village of Bil'in. The video shows plainly that the demonstrators were not violent. Here is a rough translation of the words on the video, supplied by an anonymous friend:
The demonstrators are telling the soldiers in Hebrew that there are
children and Israelis
present and they are asking them not to shoot. Bassem is shouting "listen, wait a minute, wait a minute" before he falls to the ground.
The soldiers then fire another round of tear gas as the demonstrators
yell that he is injured and needs an ambulance.
In
the longer video, as [Mohammed] Khatib is arguing with the soldier, I
can't make out all of it because they're talking over each other, but
you can clearly hear the soldier say, "do you want more gas?" They can see someone is on the ground and bleeding and
because they know it's a Palestinian, they don't care.
And
the soldier is telling Khatib "Are you going to shut up?" as Khatib
pleads with him to stop shooting. The Israeli who's next to Bassem
right after the shooting is just saying, there's an injured man, bring
an ambulance quickly. He asks Bassem where he was hit. The
demonstrators also repeat throughout, this is a non-violent
demonstration. The soldiers merely respond with teargas.
children and Israelis
present and they are asking them not to shoot. Bassem is shouting "listen, wait a minute, wait a minute" before he falls to the ground.
The soldiers then fire another round of tear gas as the demonstrators
yell that he is injured and needs an ambulance.
In
the longer video, as [Mohammed] Khatib is arguing with the soldier, I
can't make out all of it because they're talking over each other, but
you can clearly hear the soldier say, "do you want more gas?" They can see someone is on the ground and bleeding and
because they know it's a Palestinian, they don't care.
And
the soldier is telling Khatib "Are you going to shut up?" as Khatib
pleads with him to stop shooting. The Israeli who's next to Bassem
right after the shooting is just saying, there's an injured man, bring
an ambulance quickly. He asks Bassem where he was hit. The
demonstrators also repeat throughout, this is a non-violent
demonstration. The soldiers merely respond with teargas.
As my post above intimates, reading "a little history" is indeed difficult. Historical precedent in defense of present actions doesn't cut it. It's like saying, "Don't criticize Israel until the Palestinian body count has reached 6 million."
Murder.
Is it so difficult to actually read a little history?
Posted by: Dom | April 18, 2009 at 04:03 PM
In a nutshell, Phil's phools ignore history to the best of their ability. They also detest facts. Truth? Hah, they deal in willful ignorance.
Delia…"As my post above intimates, reading "a little history" is indeed difficult. Historical precedent in defense of present actions doesn't cut it. It's like saying, "Don't criticize Israel until the Palestinian body count has reached 6 million.""
And if you bother to read (and comprehend) my post, you will see no "historical precedent in defense" of anything.
What you will see is a strong statement that slandering Jews, "as Jews" per se', is repulsive nonsense.
The expression, "do you want more gas," was commonly used at the Nazi death camps,
Not really in the death camps. Even there they tried to keep it secret to avoid panic. But obviously there were rumors. I read a few reports from Kapos who among other things ordered the people to undress in front of the gas chambers. They had to tell them it were showers. It must have been a rather painful experience, for them too, and yes, I partly trust them. It was the most dirty job in a larger hell. But what would it have helped people had they told them? In the back the SS guards watched with guns.
And concerning an earlier comment by citizen in this context. No the Kapos did not select, they they only had to do the dirty jobs. Cleaning up, reportedly quite a mess, carrying the corpses to the ovens.
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But concerning some comments, I absolutely agree with Dom. Even the high rate of agreement concerning wars you would find in any group confronted with the same constant danger scenario hammered in people's heads.
It's always a mistake to respond to a charge of anti-Semitism, as the purpose is to change the subject from a debate over Israel's policies to something else entirely. Ten years from now anyone who was never called an anti-Semite for criticizing Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank will feel ashamed of himself for not having shown any backbone.
In any case, defending yourself against a charge of anti-Semitims is a waste of time, as it deflects attention from the real issue–is your criticism of Israel true or not. If it's true you can hardly be called an anti-Semite, unless you are willing to swallow the whopper, as some here apparently have, that telling the truth about Israeli policy is by definition anti-Semitic.
The unique demonization of Israel reminds us of your unique plans for the Jewish people, and why the State of Israel is the only ethno-national nation-state of the 26-odd in the Middle East whose dissolution you seek, in order to implement your unique–and how predictable, and how boring, defamation, persecution, and slaughter as usual, to paraphrase Hazaz–plans for the Jewish people, like Pharoah in every generation.
Clearly, the charge of antisemitism is the only card that Zionists have left to play. I agree with Duscany: activists targeted as antisemites should probably be wearing it as a badge of honour rather than falling for the diversionary tactic.
hey catholic, catholics have not been forgiven yet and constantly reminded hated by many especially the jews and the amer crackers
history is so difficult to understand especially by the doms
i am jew why pick on me cause i steal so do you
you steal one dollar i steal 100,000 so what one is too many right right
3,000,000 iraqis killed 3,000,000 turned to refugees why blame us jews just because we are jews lebanese suffering and destruction hey the french were there first just cause we like to participate why emphasize our bestiality oh the french didnt really deny or censor or deceive but there is dreyfuss sorry we controlled the press on that one delete we do we want to save your souls we saved the russian, soviet, ukrainian, german, palestinian, syrian, south african, american, canadian, australian, iraqi, and hopefully the iranian
Delia ??? Change the damn subject???
Delia, with all due respect, or lack thereof…it is you, in this particular context, who keeps changing the subject, by responding to "things Dom did not say". Did I accuse you of antisemitism? If so, please point out to me where I did so.
That many comments on this list, almost every day, are indeed antisemitic is self evident. Shall I review some of them for you?
As for criticism of Israel being inherently antisemitic, I reject that charge. Since you read things that "are not there"…allow me to point out that I often criticize Israel on this list. And often use citations (evidence?).
Logic, dear lady, is not your forte'. Nor is this basic intellectual skill evident in many of the hateful and ugly things said about Jews and Israelis.
Follow these steps:
(1) We're the most moral army in the world. Case 1: video footage of a killing of the non-violent Palestinian demonstrator.
(2) Respond: Look at history. EVERYBODY KILLS. Why blame us for doing what everybody else did/does?
Good reply huh? NOT acknowledging the fact that Israel is not "the most moral army in the world" since we're now equating it with past conflicts in Vietnam (REAAAAAAAALLLLLLYYYY good moral analogy here). So now after being faced with (video) the fact that they kill and are not that "moral", they now want to have their cake and eat it too by saying everyone else is not "moral" so why expect Israel to be?
It's not as if this was a refutation of the first assertion that Israel is not great at all.
"I am no fan of Israeli abuse of power, but how many of us would pay the slightest attention to Palestinian suffering…if it did not inflame the Arab and Muslim world?"
He shows his indignation by….not condemnation of the shooting but by condemnation for the rest of the world for paying attention to it. I don't want to get into a big tirade about "why Israel" (it's been done by so many) but you did not even express outrage at this. "Ho hum, another one dead, this is history at its best."
"why the State of Israel is the only ethno-national nation-state of the 26-odd in the Middle East whose dissolution you seek"
Damn. If only the occupation wasn't covered then no-one would give a fuck. Stupid anti-Semitic world.
You know what, like I have asserted in the past, it's the propaganda that really hurts Israel more and what leads so many to prove otherwise. Think about it, if it was more open (like it could be more open than it is now) about its practices and how deliberate all of it is against the Palestinians, it might be treated like the way Kashmir is treated or the way people view Sri Lanka and other nationalist conflicts out there. But the attempts to bend-over backwards to paint this state like some kind of shining example of a state when, like Dom says, it is guilty of just about everything that states in the past have been, make it seem that there is another agenda here. (I don't even watch to touch the subject of the religion here. I would like to think wrongly if that there was another conflict like this that had Muslims vs Christians/Jews/white people then it would be treated differently but I doubt it. The main failings of the other conflicts is that people have less and less of a connection to Sri Lanka and Kashmir and Tibet. There are so many fabrications about Israel that people think they know this country when they don't.)
Ya know, Dom, comments about Viet Nam and the rest of mankind's wars and holocausts do not cut the mustard at this time. That is the past, and some of us fought hard against them too. We are not responsible for the actions of our ancestors, but we can address the situations of the world we live in, wherever these situations may arise. There have been thousands of holocausts and you take them one at a time as they come and fight like hell against them. And attempt to redress those that harmed your neighbours, the previous ones where you live. (In my case the Haida Gwai)
You are not the only one who has studied history and has a good overall comprehension of the past as well as the present. Or thinks it is good, because sometimes I know I question my own comprehension, every time I have another "AHA!" moment.
Such blase comments and attitudes come across as extremely condescending and serve no purpose at all other than give the writer a fleeting sense of superiority over those who are not blessed with his/her Olympian point of view. These observations also seem intended to distract from the situation currently under discussion.
And in this case, if you recall, we were discussing the death of yet another human being under totally unnatural and unbalanced circumstances. A human being who was doing nothing more than shouting, "Listen!" to armed Israelis. No matter how you look at it, the death of this young man is just plain wrong and these creatures will eventually have to pay the piper for their crimes.
By the way, regarding the charge of antisemitism. I fully agree with Duscany. I refuse to lie down and be afraid to speak what must be spoken.
If this means I am antisemitic, so be it; I am proud to be labeled so; that does not stop me from embracing my Jewish friends and calling them brother or sister. Or them hugging me back with equal fervor because this current struggle is not one of faith or race, it is one of aggressive politics painting itself as faith ~ and duping millions in the process.
It is an issue of actions, refusal to accept responsibility for those actions, and it is an issue of general immorality when it comes to the lives of other peoples deemed to be less than human. It has NOTHING to do with race or religion any more.
The ADL has been flogging this word to death in the West. It has almost no meaning and is losing power by the nanosecond.
It seems, "antisemitic" is becoming a word like "nice", so over-used and generalized that the original meaning is lost. Today, "antisemitism" means nothing other than to stand up for the rights of the downtrodden against those who throw this word up like a shield every time they see a mouse or a spider, let alone a person speaking truth.
link to youtube.com
Zionists worship the Holocaust as their religion.
They are no different from radical nationalists of the past.
People think Jewish tribalism can be cooled off but not as long as they pick on weaker enemies. They continue to feel superior by killing civilians and then saying their fighting 'radical Islam'.
Israelis are the most cowardly people on Earth.
We should cheer for Hezbollah for kicking their ass in 2006. What could Israel do? Kill 1000 civilians and destroy hospitals/bridges/schools/etc.
Cowards – ALL of them.
If you're not called an antisemite by a ZIONIST during this era, then YOU'RE a coward.
Wear it as a badge of honor. Being an enemy of Zionism means you're an ally of truth and justice.
Where to I say that someone has accused me of antisemitism? With all due respect, try reading before you start running off at the mouth.
Delia "It's always a mistake to respond to a charge of anti-Semitism". This is not an accusation that someone, I assume myself, has accused you of being antisemitic? If not, what is that sentence about?
Joshua…did you read my first post?
As for logic, explain this logic to me…from previous posts today…
"Satanic State"
"let us pray to our god for mercy to give them souls."
and from the last week or two, some genius referring to Israelis as "sewage".
Barbara…yes, Vietnam is past. So what if it is past? Deir Yassin is further in the past…have the Palestinians forgotten it?
I have tried to make a distinction between criticizing state brutality (in general) and vile comments about Jews. Simple. Period. I have not justified any act of brutality. By anyone.
So Joshua, here is the logic…other states commit war crimes. They and their citizens are not referred to as "sewage". Israel commits crimes…It and its' citizens ARE referred to as "sewage" and other vile terms.
Please be so kind as to explain this to me. (You may think it does not matter. I do think it matters.)
Israeli JEWS not Israelis in general.
Why Israeli Jews? Well read any survey published by the mainstream Israeli press.
How about the fact that 80-85 percent of israeli jews cheered on the Gaza massacre?
Fuck them.
Other countries commit war crimes – sure, but how many in the world are doing so and are the only 'democracy' in the ME? How many of them today are democracies in general?
Israel is a free and fair society for Jews. It's a democracy for Jews and yet they are fucking NAZIS.
You can blame Saudi Arabia and Egypt all you want. But they are police states. You can laugh at African nations but they have vast political repression and internal problems.
The reason people bash the US and Israel is because of all the opportunities to be good wasted. The standard is so high for jews and americans because of the advantages we have.
Its easy to bash a police State with political repression.
In any case, israeli jews are deeply racist by far. hence the vermin comments directed at them as well as their body politic
Dom, they are referred to as such by those with an agenda having nothing to do with the events.
LD, LT, Eva, Joachim, Citz, Amer, Alice, Joshua, and the assorted other antisemitic mebers of Phil's Phools have such an agenda.
Chris Berel…"an agenda having nothing to do with the events."
I agree with you. And those attitudes, in my opinion, are harmful, in many ways, to the Palestinian cause.
Phil's next post says more than I could, apparently…"Beautiful Israelis".
There are many of them. I am fortunate to know some of them myself.
The crucial line: "Do not cross the yellow fence."
In other words, a non-violent demonstration outside the closed military zone would be permitted, but tear gas appears to have been fired to drive the demonstrators back from the closed military zone, and then far enough back past the yellow fence that they would not constitute a threat if armed. Sound bombs were deployed first, and then gas, and–frankly–no one expects a direct hit from a gas canister, as it is something you cannot, by the nature of the launcher, the projectile, and the absence of any kind of sight or guidance besides possibly elevation marks (to prevent you from firing it straight into the ground or horizontal) actually aim with any accuracy. (The weapon itself seems to be held at a sharp angle, indicating that the projectile was, in line with training, supposed to arc down onto the ground near the demonstrators without striking anyone.)
Blunt-force thoracic trauma of that type would be fatal if it caused cardiac tamponade, pulmonary contusion, or commotio cordis, so one relevant factor is that the Israeli soldiers refused a request for their medic to see the patient. The hospitals in Ramallah very good, so the question becomes whether a longer trip to an Israeli hospital with better care during the trip or a shorter trip to Ramallah in a private car with no supportive care best. You treat for shock and evacuate to a trauma center.
Incidentally, having sustained an injury of that type when a Palestinian drove his car into a crowd of Israelis at a bus stop, I can testify that while it is terrifying to be in shock (real hypovolemic shock, not emotional shock) it is not extraordinarily painful, much less than the scale of a broken arm or leg, for example.
Someone should go to jail for refusing an explicit request for medical aid.
As with any western society, there are those who have different opinions and are free to express them. But not in Arab countries. And not in Muslim society.
"So Joshua, here is the logic…other states commit war crimes. They and their citizens are not referred to as "sewage". Israel commits crimes…It and its' citizens ARE referred to as "sewage" and other vile terms."
I beg to differ. As of this writing, there is only one sitting member of a country that is indicted, and that is an Arab, not an Israeli, although there are many accusations but accusations alone don't make the case. I think you have limited the scope here because, and in many cases rightly so because this is a very inveterate topic of discussion where people get heated and slander each other, Israel is not alone in being vilified. I read plenty of "vile terms" regarding Muslims, Serbs, Hutus, Somalis, Sudanese, Tamils, Sinhalese, Chinese, Russians, Georgians, Latino Americans… the list goes on and on.
I haven't read much of what you have said (and I gather you haven't read much of mine either and I doubt we would since we can't devote all our time on this shit, because, unfortunately this would destroy Chris' description of me as one who has an "agenda having nothing to do with the events", I have other matters and other conflicts to read up on) and if I was too generalising of you then that is my fault and totally uncalled for. And I actually will agree with you on one sentence: certain "attitudes…are harmful….to the Palestinian cause".
Case in point: Gilad Atzmon.
The anti-Zionist left need no-one like this fellow and his entourage (as well as some of the vilification in the comments section of many blogs).
chris and dom. 2 sides of the same cubicle
Okay, the Israelis reply to the request "Send over your medic" with "We've requested an ambulance." So from that perspective, they're doing the right thing.
Incidentally, the video looks fake. Man sustains blow to the chest sufficient to cause eventual cardiac failure, but tries to trap the projectile against his body, turns and runs several steps from a standing start before falling and rolling on level ground. I've been there and done that and seen it several other places, and people hit the ground in place when it happens from a standing start. Also the fiddling with the wound, raising the shirt but not sufficient to uncover it, as if they were afraid of revealing the non-existent bruise, placing a garment over it to "stop the bleeding" in blunt-force trauma, where it's a bruise and not a wound. It's a real fake. If it's real, they did everything exactly right to make it look like a fake. It would be nice to have confirmation that the man is alive and well, it would be a relief.
"Ooops, didn't mean to kill him. Crooked shot. Don't prosecute me."
Delia – I had the same experience in reading about the Holocaust. Technological capability makes a difference in the current situation: people can publicize their experience of Israel's actions. The challenge also is different for we who are neighbors: it's not a matter of hiding people in attics, but of challenging the wide spread public view of the I/P conflict as a local and ancient quarrel. IMO it is necessary also to challenge the concept of 'terrorists' as a group, all of whom think the same, and all of whom differ from us so greatly that they don't care about their children and are driven to destroy the modern world. IMO, that is a belief fostered by Israel, coming from a mind-set that is purposefully destructive of peace because it feels unable to trust the potential for alternatives.
IMO the need to confront prejudicial habits, the easy belief that what is unfamiliar and different is bad because it isn't like us, is continual. The distortion of the meaning of antisemitism from prejudice against another based on identification as of a particular religious/ethnic group to not supporting Israel is important IMO, because blurring the distinction between prejudice and differing political beliefs devalues what is of primary importance, prejudicial discrimination, and in doing so fosters the behavior – many Israelis and their supporters willingly demonstrate the belief that those not of their group are not worth equal value as human beings, while those of their group deserve to be valued more than others.
Even though it deflects the conversation, those who come here to express hatred toward others because of different religious or ethnic identification IMO should have their words refuted. It could be considered good housekeeping, with the next person having the opportunity to comment taking the time to do so.
IMHO those who oppose the actions of Israel need to consider their own beliefs and the words used when discussing issues, being careful to distinguish between actions, which are to be condemned, beliefs and attitudes which are problematic and can be questioned, and *not* giving in to devaluation of other individuals because of their attitudes and beliefs.
Israel is destroying public support by its actions. The emotions raised by videos and other examples of Israel's inhumane action should be used to confront the behavior rather than dissipated in attacks on each other. (The lecture I give myself through out the day.)
"Barbara…yes, Vietnam is past. So what if it is past? Deir Yassin is further in the past…have the Palestinians forgotten it?"
The Holocaust is in the past… have the Israelis/Jews forgotten it?
Yeah, it goes both ways. (This in no way equates both in severity.)
I totally took that sentence the wrong way. Disregard.
how does one do the mental trick of separating israel from jew. the jewish state of the jews, whose existence minus a few indiscreet slaughters that usually are quickly forgotten, supported by 100%of the world's jews. even those here who are critical.
To continue with the analysis, such as it is, the man's behavior is inconsistent with this type of injury: if it was not severe enough to drop him in place with a lacerated heart or pericardium, he would likely have an immediately visible lung injury, with broken ribs obviously moving the wrong way under the skin, or a visible chest wall puncture, or (in the case of tamponade) be able to walk away, remain conscious and communicative, and then slowly experience shortness of breath, hypoxia, and unconsciousness. "Run, collapse, and roll on level ground, spit blood and then become uncommunicative and hypoxic in seconds" fits with a scenario of fake fake fake fake fake. Which would explain why there was no blood expelled straight down from his mouth or nose at the initial face-down collapse, which should have left blood on his collar, we are expected to believe his lungs have been collapsed twice from the shocks, yet there is no blood until he begins coughing, and then a helper raises the shirt to look/not look at the bruise, not actually uncovering an injury. And then mere seconds later, there is a boatload of blood, consistent with a heart/lung injury that would not have let him MOVE from the location of the hit. And Israeli treatment either would have saved him or left a forensic trail worthy of a manslaughter conviction.
I do hope that that man is alive somewhere, laughing at his joke on the evil colonialists.
Also, it's interesting that one of the men screams, "Officer, you've killed one of the Israelis" BEFORE the hit.
It's interesting how Zionist supporters immediately begin the "it's fake, it's fake, it's fake" mantra as soon as the Occupying Zionist Forces murder someone.
It kind of reminds me of people who deny the Holocaust or pick apart the concentration camp photos to find "evidence" of fraud.
But let's assume, for one minute, that this video is a fake: was the video of the attempted murder of Tristan Anderson by the Occupying Zionist Forces also a fake? You see, the Zionist forces almost killed him in exactly the same way this went down. Also, does it change the fact that the Occupying Zionist Forces were shooting tear gas canisters at unarmed demonstrators?
But hey, I get that when your Zionists commit cold-blooded murder, it's a hard pill for you to swallow. It's much easier to play "CSI: Occupied Palestine" than it is to address the fact that the Zionist forces were shooting tear gas canisters at unarmed protestors on their own land.
Zionists are no different from Nazis who deny the Holocaust. I mean if trash like Berel and Euro deny this guy is dead and was killed by one of their fellow Nazi Israelis, then it's plausible they'd be denying the Holocaust if they weren't Jews or pro-Israel.
Same human filth, different coating.
LD, I know you're angry about this, but rhetoric like "human filth" is just going to scare people off.
Anyway, here's confirmation of the killing:
link to haaretz.com
Scare people off? It just shows LD as a prime example of a Phil's Phool. LD is angry because he isn't chosen.
RE: "as if they were afraid of revealing the non-existent bruise, placing a garment over it to "stop the bleeding" in blunt-force trauma, where it's a bruise and not a wound. It's a real fake."
I saw a large bruise when the shirt was raised enough on one side –or else the victim has a very large birth mark. In the up close focus on his face, when he is on his back, it appears his eyes are
glazed over/not moving, as if in shock…
Check it yourself as Chris Berel personally knows that I have "an agenda having nothing to do with the events."
Because I'm not chosen? Did someone log onto Berel's account to post that? Seriously?
Isn't the standard line that we're all antisemites and Holocaust deniers? I mean, how can you be envious and want to be 'chosen' while at the same time being antisemitic?
You think the tear gas was unwarranted. Well, tear gas CAN be used for area control, and several of the demonstrators moved beyond the fence that marked the closed military zone. At that point, it was an illegal demonstration that could be dispersed, period, using non-lethal means.
You seem to think that the police have to let the demonstrators move towards them until they are close enough to fatally attack the police with stones, bricks, and building blocks, or–more generally for Palestinian demonstrations–hidden shooters behind the first line of demonstators. As someone who has been a medic at demos that involved stones and firebombs, I can tell you that in practical terms it's too late for tear gas by the time the stones are landing among the police.
Closed military zone means "Do not enter."
Eurosabra,
This seems like a classic case of passive resistance against an occupation and a disputed territory, whether it was a closed military zone or not, that military zone is disputed as illegal by many in this world and by the people who inhabit the area. You seem to think that it is totally okay for a bigger army to take over an area, erect sites to monitor the movement of their occupied population and then make it okay when they kill (whether you believe this person is dead or not, see the autopsy) a person who is challenging the legitimacy through non-violent means. Did you take sides with Chas Freeman's conclusion (through Chinese eyes) that they should have crushed the student uprising back in '89? We could go on and on. You identify too easily with the power in charge because you want to make sure that you are on the right side here. Understandable. But can it be applied universally or only when someone questions the claim of your right to destroy another person's life when you feel that they were disobeying an order to cease their intrasigence (because they were such a threat to them behind that fence).
Why do I find it so hard to believe that you would take the side of Iranian Muslim taking the life of an Iranian Jew if they held a non-violent protest and an Iranian officer felt threatened and decided to shoot out a canister that ACCIDENTLY kill a protestor who was just standing by?
Eurosbara: Those are not police in the video, those are are armored corps soldiers.
Sending troops trained for war to deal with non-violent civilian demonstrators is just asking for unnecessary deaths.
Eurosabra,
Give it up. Even the IDF is admitting that the man died and that it was "likely due to unauthorized fire" aimed directly at Abu Rahmeh from a "distance of a mere few dozen meters". Read David's link. Those canisters are meant for long range (500 meters) and are not meant to be aimed directly at individuals. Stop making excuses, please.
confiscate their weapons
take them to their cells
keep them barely living
in their own private hells
take them to the border
nudge them with your gun
shoot above their heads
till they begin to run
lead them to the chambers
once their herded round
listen to the screaming
and now there is no sound
wasn't that you at auschwitz
or a thousand other deaths
one man kills another
before they've ever met
Where is Witless to equate the conflict? Oh so much tragedy on BOTH sides, oh so much rejectionism on BOTH sides (he usually just blames Hamas tho)!
This Satanic State needs to be dismantled. FUCK Zionism.
This is a rather persuasive reply to the question "Why can't they (Palestinians) engage in non-violent resistance?"
Given the number of non-violent protesters (against the wall) who have been killed, including children, it is astounding non violent protests continue. I am not sure at all I could do it.
The expression, "do you want more gas," was commonly used at the Nazi death camps, but was probably coined during WW I.
saturday, sabbath of the special-needs ones.
let us pray to our god for mercy to give them souls.
we could pray also to their god but, they are their god. they, their god cannnot give only take and inflict.
This murderous episode is especially disturbing to me – hard to write off as “the IDF up to its usual cruelties.” I’ve got that “sense of impending doom” feeling in the pit of my stomach — perhaps because of the context in which I am reading about these atrocities today.
I tend to be unimpressed by most Nazi analogies, given that Zionists and other neocons are always hysterically predicting that Holocaust 2.0 is just on the horizon, so the US and/or Israel better start bombing ____ (fill in the blank). But I am catching up on Holocaust scholarship this summer and finally getting round to reading Claudia Koonz’s *The Nazi Conscience*. I don’t usually have physical reactions to scholarship – quite the opposite — but I must admit to spasms of shivers as I read though Koonz’s gripping narrative. A lot of the Nazi rationalization for what she calls “ethnic fundamentalism” is echoed – practically word for word – in Zionist rationalizations for the slaughters in Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza in 2008-9. I guess it must be the Nazi argument of “self-defense” that has got me feeling so squeamish, since I’ve spent the last few months reading the almost identical arguments in support of the Gaza siege and massacre.
I am trying to puzzle out why Goldhagen *Hitler’s Willing Executioners* got so much press back in the ‘nineties, while Koonz’s, which is far more scholarly, insightful, and chilling has made no impact beyond the walls of the Ivory Tower. I have just scanned all the available reviews of the book, all of which are consistently high.
I’m not writing this as self-therapy but rather, as a plug for Koonz’s book – which I think everyone who’s sick of Zionist rationalizations should have a look at.
This video is much better. It's shows too, what I was expecting but missed in the cut version. Thanks for posting this.
This should not need to be said, but apparently it does need to be said, at least in my opinion; and apparently it needs to be said routinely.
Comments like "Satanic State", "they are their god", and other comments that imply Israeli abuse of power is worse than any other state's abuse of power, comments that imply, or directly state that these abuses are "inherently Jewish"…strike me as complete nonsense.
How many civilians did we Americans murder in Vietnam? Estimates I have read have been as high as 2 million. How many Algerian civilians did Catholic France murder? (and I am Catholic, by the way). Again, I have read estimates that exceed 1 million.
I am no fan of Israeli abuse of power, but how many of us would pay the slightest attention to Palestinian suffering…if it did not inflame the Arab and Muslim world? And by doing so endanger the USA. I suspect next to none. And I include myself in that statement.
Is it so difficult to actually read a little history?
The Israeli state long ago lost any right to exist as a Jewish state. It must be called by its true name, a racist, supremacist state that is a blight unto the world.