A disturbing trend is emerging on YouTube - videos that show Israel in a bad light are being taken down. The first example was Max Blumenthal and Joseph Dana's Feeling the Hate in Jerusalem video, which was removed after being viewed over 400,000 times. Now a second video has been removed as well. This one showed Israeli Border Police humiliating a Palestinian man - and was shot by the police themselves as a joke. Here is the video (which has been re-posted on blip.tv) and a description from Ha'aretz:
This clip, which has been viewed more than 2,800 times, shows the unknown Palestinian standing in a desert setting while a disembodied voice orders him in Hebrew to hit himself: "Yallah, start, do it hard!"
The viewers hear the chuckles of the other policemen and a clear voice telling the Arab: "Say 'Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul' ["I love the Border Police? in a mix of Arabic and Hebrew]. Say it!"
They see him obey in a subdued voice and with a frightened look, even as he goes on slapping himself. They hear the "director" laughing and the faceless voice shouting: "Again! Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul."
After a little more than 30 seconds, the voice says, "Say 'Wahad hummus wahad ful'" - and the Arab man obeys and then is told to complete the rhyme: "Ana behibak Mishmar Hagvul."
After 40 seconds, the abusers appear to have had enough and the voice impatiently orders the victim: "Yallah, rukh, rukh, rukh" ("go"). The camera turns and for a fraction of a second a Border Police Jeep is visible.
A few dozen viewers sent comments. "Hahahaha, it was great the way he excruciated himself." Another added: "That's how it should be!!!!! Stinking Arab."
And a third pointed out, "He should have been shot!! Sons of bitches." A few viewers took pity on the victim, though with reservations. One person remarked, "Mercy on the guy, even if he's an Arab. What's it in aid of? He didn't do anything."
The organization Jewish Voice for Peace has begun a campaign demanding YouTube to put Blumenthal's video back up. JVP suggests people write YouTube to protest this decision and their sample letter makes an important point:
YouTube has just announced that it is relaxing some of its guidelines so that videos showing the current events in Iran may be posted. I am asking you to draw upon that same commitment to supporting human rights by returning Max Blumenthal’s video and any other similar ones to your site. The extreme views represented in these videos need to be heard and acknowledged so that they can be overcome. Making the videos disappear doesn’t make the hateful views expressed in the video disappear, too.
Please join JVP in protesting YouTube's decision. In the meantime the Blumenthal/Dana video can now be found on Vimeo:
Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem -- The Censored Video from Max Blumenthal on Vimeo.
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RE: "Tell YouTube to stop censoring videos about Israel." MY COMMENT: I told YouTube not to censor the "Feeling the Hate" video! TAKE ACTION – http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/t/9047/p...
It would be disturbing to conclude that Google, which controls so much of the world's information (including personal information), is controlled by a narrow political agenda, and practices systematic censorship of legitimate political expression to further that agenda. The Blumenthal video was discussed in depth in the Israeli mainstream media.
Where to send complaints to? Email address, anyone?
RE: " This one showed Israeli Border Police humiliating a Palestinian man – and was shot by the police themselves as a joke." SEE ALSO FROM HAARETZ: (excerpt) …Last week, soldiers from the Golani infantry brigade posted a video on YouTube depicting a blindfolded Palestinian being forced to repeat phrases in Hebrew as the soldiers manning the checkpoint laugh in the background. One of the lines is: "Golani will bring you a log to stick up your ass." As the detainee repeats the words, the soldiers are heard laughing raucously in the background…. ARTICLE / VIDEO - http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1037217.html
You can send them from the Jewish Voice for Peace website – http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/301/t/9047/p...
Note that no US paper has picked up this story about the border guard abuse. I realize that almost to a person the people in the MSM are very invested in whitewashing everything that Israel does, but one has to note that the strategy is very short sighted. Israel's best option for staying in its current exclusivists racist configuration is the 2 state solution. Sooner or later, people in European countries are going to begin boycotting en mass, and it will spread to young people over here as well. By that time, Israel in its current zionist ethnocentric form may not be salvagable. So when the MSM does not cover scandals like this, I try not to get too upset about it–they are only shooting Israel, whom presumably they are invested in protecting, in the foot in the long run.
I live in a boarder town between Lebanon and Greater Palestine. I dare those sons of bitches to come my way.
Don't you find it ironic that you, who run a site that often takes down pro-Israeli posts while leaving anti-Israeli, and anti-Jewish posts up should be complaining about censorship? As to the video of the soldiers, assuming that it isn't a hoax (not an entirely safe assumption), the soldiers in question should be fired and brought up on charges for abusing their authority. Just as police in the U.S. who are seen in similar videos should be. However, that does not mean that the actions are typical. If someone commits a crime, they should be arrested. If they are in an unauthorized area, they should either be arrested or sent away from the area. Abuse is never called for. Even if the man had done something to deserve being abused, the government and its representatives should act in a civilized manner.
'Feeling hate in Jerusalem" IS on youtube under a different title and probably a new URL "USA Jews Opine on Obama Trip To Cairo Peace Process" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMXr8VS-FZA ps if the link is not active after I post this comment, please copy and paste the URL and you will find the video on youtube.
Youtube partner with the ADF on determining whether content is offensive http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2009/01/yo... That might have some bearing on this.
I love how Thom refers to penalizing the Israeli border police the way we do here in the US. I guess you missed something somewhere between history and reality – ISRAEL IS OCCUPYING THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE… therefore the border policeman was not brutalizing someone within his nation… he was brutalizing a foreign person. Isn't that great? Now imagine this: Our (US) police cross the border and are caught on camera forcing a Canadian citizen (at gun point) to slap himself and messing with him by making him sing about how he loves them… etc etc…
Mondoweiss doesn't take down comments for being pro-Israel. Mostly they take down comments for extreme incivility. They don't "often" take down comments, either. Very few comments get deleted. I am glad to see that you do not support abuse of Palestinians by Israeli soldiers and police.
Shut the fuck up Thom, you lying piece of shit. No one censors posts here. OBVIOUSLY, I curse like a sailor constantly. Your fascism and racism and stupidity is on full display ALL the time. Stop fucking lying, scumbag.
Go away you sick bastard.
I have been a regular on this blog for over two years. Phil does not take down posts no matter what the political POV unless they attack the messenger in racist or scatological terms. Thom, you are obvious an obvious hasbara agent for anyone who visits Phil's blog regularly.
The second video is also on youtube but with title in Hebrew! אנא בחבק משמר הגבול and without subtitles. That video was posted originally on August 27, 2008. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EsVsHvKRac
The beauty of the net is someone can always pop up and replace the censors and take their business. Look at where this site has gone and think back a few years.
Instead our congress is trying to make US citizens support all the illegal aliens and give them citizenship for breaking our laws; we already pay for their emergency room medical help, and we educate their children. I guess that's not enough payback for rewarding law breakers.
I'm a little surprised at you Strahl. He sounds like your kind of guy. Also exactly like the kind of people Israel is up against. Capturing border guards is a legitimate act of war. If you are in uniform when you catch him, it isn't even a war crime. Of course the problem is that the enemies of Israel want it both ways. The legitimately elected government of the Palestinians chooses to be at war with Israel. They want to commit acts of war against Israel (attacking Israeli soldiers) but think that Israel shouldn't be allowed to respond with acts of war against them (like a blockade). A blockade is most definitely an act of war, in fact, it was the first act of war in the 6-day war. But if you choose to make war on a country, they get to make war back on you. The Germans declared war on the U.S. right after Pearl Harbor, but at least they had the decency not to say "hey, no fair" when the U.S. fought back.
I think congress should be snatched and locked in a room and forced to watch all the video's…to see what they have created. That's a guerrilla action I could sign up for.
That's why I no longer read US papers…. Stick to the major European papers, for the most part they are much less slanted and more factual about the situtation in I-P.
I had noticed that on you tube it was difficult to get the sound on any clips having to do with showing Israel in a bad light. We know how any critical opinions or coverage has been shut down in the MSM over the last 50 years. We had hard core trolls trollig the blogosphere for the last 5 years interferring and attacking any discussions or debates about the I/P Now you tube even more. Folks should contact you tube. The I lobby trying to shut down the debate… Washington Journal sure has been an open gate over the last four years. Awareness is growing by leaps and bounds.
Saleema, I also sent a complaint to press@youtube.com, with the expectation that it will be forwarded to the proper admin.
Then the U.S. policeman should be up on charges, assuming the video wasn't a hoax. Since Canada is not currently at war with the U.S. the U.S. should extradite him to Canada to face charges. If Canada was at war with the U.S. at the time it should be U.S. military charges. Similarly, since the Palestinians are at war with Israel, it should be Israeli military charges. I think the people that waterboarded the terrorist behind the 9/11 attacks should be up on U.S. charges too. Not because he doesn't deserve it, but because we should behave in a civilized manner to captured enemies, regardless of how those enemies treat our prisoners. The fact that the American waterboarders aren't being charged is one of the reasons I am disappointed with President Obama (along with his broken campaign promises about supporting gay rights, civil rights in general, etc.) Oddly enough, I don't have a problem with most of his Israel statements (so far). I think the settlements should not expand, though building within existing settlements until a peace deal is reached seems reasonable to me. Of course, telling the Jews not to build in Jerusalem itself was a boneheaded maneuver that could end up backfiring on him.
American is right. Do a daily search of news.google.com using "Obama" and "Israel" as search terms. The US papers are pathetic in the coverage of I/P events. Read Haaretz.com, jpost.com, The Guardian — even Press.TV does a better job of it. Better yet, make sure you have a Google News alert sent to your Blackberry everytime there's a new story on "Mondoweiss."
BTW…as I have been reading thru here I had Faux news channel on to see what they were promoting on Iran. In this 30 minutes there were two "puiblic service messages" on Faux featuring pictures of the 911 WTC in flames and saying that.."Iran must be isolated and prevented from developing nuclear weapons for the security of the American people". I didn't look to see if there was a 'paid for by" on it. I will leave it on and look next time it's aired.. Here we go again. You know the only poll not done is one on how many in the public say they definitely think they are being propagandized by the MSM on subjects like Israel and Iran and etc…that would be very interesting.
who owns youtube ? is it google? then who owns google?
Seriously – You got some young drunk kids making stupid comments and a few idiots using the n word… that's your big coup? Yeah the kids were trying to show how "tough" they were and are morons especially for using the n word. You surprisingly didn't get any anti Arab comments and 1 drunk yenta girl who says obama's a muslim? most of the commenters were actually thoughtful about what they said outside the young drunk kids… Outside of the young drunk kids who you asked serious questions to while they're out partying – that's like National Enquirer interview style very professional – that's supposed to be your big deal to counteract what's said out in the open every day in the press in the Arab and Muslim world, lol!!!
I have people living in Nablus that tell me things all the time. This type of abuse is typical and then some. It's just the wimps (all of them) doing whatever they can to feel like tough guys. One day they will be chased into the sea screaming like the girls they really are.
Strahl's comment is a fine example of exactly the sort of thing that Mondoweiss SHOULD remove and often does. I personally wouldn't object to calling someone a liar if there were evidence to support the charge, but "Shut the f— up Thom, you lying piece of shit" and "scumbag" are way over the line.
YouTube is owned by Google. Google is a publicly-held corporation. The real question is not who owns Google but who controls it. The answer to that would be its own executives and directors.
The Phil and Adam show desperately needs videos of drunks to make their point. Without it, they appear to be just another pair of nitwits.
Strahl, this was the wrong post to use your usual invectives. Are you angry that one of these "fascists" and "racists" shows human empathy?
Thom, the larger narrative of the "Arab mind", the occupation and the feeling of being the winner coupled with power over the losers produces such a scenario. It is exactly what bothered me most deeply from the stories I saw and read about the Nazi period. It's a basic human trait that comes with power over people, and it is all over the Palestinian narrative too. I understand your hesitation. But the only possible perspective seems to be the soldiers. This is much more revolting than Max' video. But ultimately also were their stupid mindset may lead.
Thom I appreciate your position on this. But what chance really would the young man to report his story and what would it change? I think he might well encounter another laughing match. These humiliations you have to swallow and they don't do something good to your soul. I think the people that waterboarded the terrorist behind the 9/11 attacks should be up on U.S. charges too. No, first the people that ordered it. Without them it wouldn't have happened. You're avoiding the powers Obama faces in this respect.
The address is in the post above. Click on the "Jewish Voice for Peace has begun a campaign demanding YouTube to put Blumenthal's video back up" link.
Congress needs to use its collective head and fix the immigration laws. It can take a Mexican with US parents 12 years to get a proper visa, but it takes two hours for an Israeli or a Swede.
Me too.
Look the kids used the n word and look like morons… but they're not going out and beating up Arabs or Muslims….. the whole premise of the video is silly and is just to try and counteract the doings of Zombie who attends actual organized events and rallies at Universities where anti semitism is spewed by professors and arab muslim leaders…. this video is amateurish and idiotic… walking the streets like a National Enquirer reporter and posing questions to young drunk idiotic college kids….
So you think we should send the Jews back to Israel?
Oh, excuse me, me thinks it's those scary Mexicans that make "Citizen" piss his pants. Well, Citizen, as the son of Jewish immigrants, I think the Mexicans and other "illegal" immigrants are the best thing that could ever happen to the US. I think the Jews should make common cause with them and kick out the "moderate Christians". Maybe theb this place would be fit to live in. From you all we'll get is more Billy Grahams and more Curits LeMays. Who the hell needs that?
Interesting, what do you think was thoughtful. the "the country is our's" guy? or my favorite: " What about us, are we chopped liver" What comments did you consider valuable, and if consider some thoughtful, why do you think it is worthless at the same time? Or "no journalism"? I do not change elementarily when I am partying, do you?
Gee MikeNarg, the video seemed to make a big impression all over the world. You better make sure your weenie excuses get the same coverage. But they won't. Tough life, ain't it, for colonizers. A business the Jews should have stayed out of.
I have had completely innocuous posts deleted in the last few days alone. I have also seen other innocuous posts by other people who replied to the same anti-Israel post that I replied to vanish. Supposedly, abusive posts are supposed to get deleted, so let's see if yours gets yanked. Being pro-Israel can definitely get a post yanked.
Well, whether Phil does or not, someone did. I wasn't referring to some nebulous policy I suspected the site of having. I was referring to specific incidents of censorship of my posts and the posts of another pro-Israel poster.
American, that's Dennis Ross and Holbrooke's organization putting up that ad. I see it constantly. Either Craig or Citizen posted the Supreme Leader's speech to the Iranians from a live translation on C-SPAN. It is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than anything being reported on the MSM. I am pissed. Frosted.
Hasbara alert, as if the moniker "Ali Baba" wasn't clue enough.
I'm sorry, I don't understand your meaning. I don't mean I disagree with you, I mean I am not sure what you are trying to say. Please put it another way.
Does anyone have the Blip.tv link address?
the country is ours? that's the big coup!! lol… as opposed to singing songs about driving the jews into the sea? a drunk college kid stating that? the religious guy was asked about Obama and he was measured in what he said…
No need to reply to you bro… you're 100x worse than anything said on that video…couldn't even try and hide your hate within 1 comment….
What chance would a person reporting a similar abuse of power by a U.S. policeman have without proof? Point is, there is proof of this incident (assuming the video is real). Whether the Palestinian files a complaint or not, the Israelis should find out the truth of the matter and punish the people responsible. Quite apart from the moral issues (and morality alone should preclude humiliating a person like this), as a practical matter humiliating someone is a bad idea. It increases ill feelings between the groups for no benefit. This guy would be wrong to attack Israeli civilians in response, but his chances of doing so are higher than if they had not humiliated him. Harming the enemy to reduce their ability to harm you is acceptable. Harming the enemy just for the sake of harming them is not. That is something Israel as a whole grasps, but not these soldiers (again, if the video is real). Of course, that is also something that Palestinian society as a whole does not understand either. They make heroes out of (and name schools after) terrorists who murder Israeli civilians, which is harm just for the sake of harm.
I can't believe this. The usual process demands a report. So the patterns seems to be that the responses remain but the mail above them is gone. The censored messages leave traces. And yes, censorship is rare. … Sometimes I get a message that my message has to be approved. This is not what you mean?
Thom, there is some bug or screw up in the Intensedebate format that causes posts to disappear into the ether. Many of us have complained about it, and whatever the problem is, it doesn't seem to have a political agenda. I've had my own posts disappear and I'm sure you wouldn't consider me "pro-Israel". Likewise there have been posts by others that you would not consider "pro-Israel" that have disappeared. Its not intentional censorship and its not a conspiracy. If your comment was listed as removed by the site administrator then it was censored for foul or hateful language. If it just disappeared then join the large group of us who have complained about the vagaries of the intensedebate format .
Ah, an argument from personal incredulity. The post I responded to remains. As far as I know, there was no further response to the post of mine that vanished or the post of the other guy, that also vanished. I am not talking about a message that my message has to be approved. I am talking about posts that were already there, one of which was from someone else, so I wouldn't have been able to see it if it was awaiting approval.
Someone I estimate highly once suggested a hierarchy of antisemitism.Not what you usually see, but a very practical approach, starting with discrimination as the first step on a scale up to murder, so to speak. For me this first step is humiliation. But it is still inside the larger field of the human all too human, the less noticeable disposition of humans to all the other steps on the hierarchy. There are many jokes that work exactly like what we see in the video, simply only verbally. Have you ever head about Nazis forcing Jewish citizen to do useless things, like cleaning a sidewalk with a tooth-brush? This was meant to be funny to the insider vs the other. I haven't watched you close enough to know, but this humiliation for me is connected with an even lower and less noticeable level. Disrespect. E.g. winners versus the users tale, that surfaces quite a bit on the pro-Israel side. Civilized versus barbarians … Ultimately all stereotypes are group centered, insider produced. And once you have firm narratives they obviously produce action, people need to act them out.
Thom, you need to read more direct Israeli sources. You seem unwilling to believe that this video was produced by Israeli Border policemen, but the source for this story is Ha'aretz which has looked into multiple incidents of this sort, and interviewed numerous border policemen for its story on this. "Forcing Palestinians to sing is a common occurrence and is perceived by Border Policeman as quite humorous, it has emerged from recent Haaretz interviews with Border policemen." It is well known in Israeli human rights circles that some of the most appallingly racist acts have been perpetrated by border policemen. It is not just an individual problem but a problem of the overall attitude of the police bureaucracy. Dealing with it on an individual basis by an aggrieved Palestinian is as dangerous and pointless as trying to deal individually with the abuse of blacks by white southern policemen during the Jim Crow era. If the overwhelming attitude among the border police is that this behavior is acceptable towards Palestinians, a complaint will either fall on deaf ears, or be treated as inconsequential. What you don't seem to understand is that this kind of "harming for the sake of harming" is something that Palestinians have to face everyday (for over 40 years now) from the IDF and the border police and those settlers who are violent. You seem to think that it is something that Israel as a whole grasps, but it is not. The vindictive attitudes come from the Israelis as a sense of entitlement and superiority. It is the result of setting up a society that values and ranks lives according to religion and ethnicity. Here's a Ha'aretz piece from 2003 about the problem of Border Police violence against Palestinians: Ill Wind Blowing From the Border Police And read the full Ha'aretz story from Phil's link above to get an idea of the scope of the problem. The video isn't a hoax and it isn't an isolated incident.
this particular video is at http://blip.tv/file/2261727/
Oops, ADL
Ummm…. Are you familiar with Google happily and joyfully cooperating with Chinese government to help them censor the internet?
Anyone who questions the authenticity of the checkpoint video is showing their ignorance. Humiliation at checkpoints is widespread and longstanding: Humiliation and Child Abuse at Israeli Checkpoints: Strip-Searching Children http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIaQUJWBdk CNI Protests Israeli Practice of Strip-Searching Children http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIaQUJWBdk Finkelstein's site has a link to this video which has more of the same sadistic laughter from the IDF in this case, I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIaQUJWBdk
We hear about "shoot and cry" but maybe "shoot and laugh" is more apropos.
But you did reply, dimwit.
Several times, my posts that were in response to other posts have disappeared, but then reappeared later on. I think it might be a glitch in the comments section itself, independently of anything the moderators do here. I've even seen strings of responses disappear only to reappear again later. And yesterday or the day before, where it shows the number of responses below a comment, below one particular comment, it said that there were several billion responses. So I wouldn't assume that just because you can't find some of your comments, that means they were deleted. They might just be in whatever weird limbo comments sometimes go into from time to time.
The occupation is the initial act of war against the Palestinians (since the Nakba, which was also an act of war). All else follows that. So whatever the Palestinians do to resist the occupation is not an act of war itself, but a defense against an ongoing act of war against them by the government of Israel. The blockade is one aspect of the occupation, but the occupation in all of it's aspects is the original and ongoing act of war.
I am a Jewish man, who publishes two magazines of interest to the Jewish community. I am a fervent supporter of Israel, however, I do not approve of the outrageously illegal and inhumane treatment of the Palestinian people. Because of my position I have been referred to as being anti-Israel, anti-Semitic and a self hating Jew. I am so disgusted by the way the right-wing supporters of Israel have equated any criticism of the Israeli government with Antisemitism. I am also appalled by the way these same people use questionable tactics to shut down any organizational events protesting Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Some of the most respected Jewish organizations in the world have been using manipulative and politically threatening tactics to make it extremely difficult to get these criticisms discussed publicly.
The context of video taping drunk yuppie American Jews is to REVEAL Jewish racism to an audience that does not normally (if ever) see it. It's not simply about racism. It's about WHO is racist and why and the nature of the racism. All racism isn't the same. I'm sure people hate Jews because of Israeli foreign policy. And then, you can also hate citizens of a particular country (America for example) for similar reasons. So all this hatred comes from somewhere and quite often people have legitimate grievances. It just manifests as hate and due to it's nature it is most often unproductive. On the flip-side, for Jews (as a standard), hating Arabs and anyone who dissents from the Jewish tribe can be profitable and can get you a career/livelihood. It can bring you together within a community. There's incentive for Jews (as a standard) to be hateful. Idiot trolls keep straw manning the video as if there isn't TONS of statistical analysis and compelling evidence to back up the fact that most Israeli Jews are deeply racist and bigoted. Just google. They are all on YNet and JPost and Haaretz. The same straw man is applied to the notion that Jews have a ton of influence in the media and government. Both true. But idiot trolls use dishonest rhetoric and simplify the argument into an antisemitic trope. Jewishness itself is a powerful social pressure and it comes back to the Holocaust. The Jewish intelligentsia put forth this media of Jewish suffering to such an extent that people feel it and do not want to be associated with the perpetrators. Jews have helped construct Jewish identity as victimized eternally. Now, Israelis are anything but victims. So while American Jews propagate this myth of Jewish victimhood, their Israeli counterparts are butchering Arabs. There was a book written on Arab stereotypes called Reel Bad Arabs. It's not surprising. Try to find the same depiction of Jews in the West. It doesn't exist. And you have to ask where it comes from. The Arab world has been fucked up by the West for decades and decades – typical colonial power/imperial power. And yet, Arabs are depicted as this all-powerful oppressing force when they die in the hundreds of thousands even before the war starts (Iraq sanctions). Read anything by Kevin MacDonald. A lot of his stuff is true but then some stuff seems a bit narrow. Overall, the problems in our society is identity politics (Jewish dominated, so Jewish interests > those of other groups or the 'majority'), the military industrial complex, American 'exceptionalism', general marginalization of dissent in the West and the political economy overall. You will always hear a straw man about this stuff from Jewish Zionists and other idiots. They have no counter-argument other than to cry wolf.
"A disturbing trend is emerging on YouTube – videos that show Israel in a bad light are being taken down. " This is just day to day Zionism in action – people have been sacked for speaking up about Zionist abuses of power for over 80 years. Michael Adams of the guardian lost his job in the late 60s for writing about Israeli atrocities following the June 1967 war. Folke Bernadotte and countless Arabs have been murdered. Media whitewashing is de rigueur. We just need to get more information out so that the hasbara is neutered. I saw one settler write in response to the border police video 'Jews can't be settlers in the land of Israel'. That slogan is what drives the inhumanity shown in the video.
Yesterday's Ha'aretz has an extended article on this practice of humiliating Palestinians and filming it and putting it up on YouTube. Last update – 10:55 19/06/2009 Israeli troops humiliate Palestinians – and put it on YouTube http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1094242.html
In the last couple of months since Typepad gave Phil a new system that is still in the process of full funtionality comments vanish, sometimes reappearing, and this is so, judging by comments here, no matter what type of browser and OP system any commenter uses. I've experienced every type of result as to my own comments and I doubt regulars here would identify me as "pro Israel" right or wrong, or as a commenter uncritical of Israeli actions and policy de jure or de facto.
I agree; the difference between those in the Max video and those IDF soldiers is but the step from viral hate and its implementation by proxy. The key is always that one side has the power more often than the other to de-humanize the other to the point from simple public humiliation all along the spectrum to final murder of the sub-species.
This is correct. Did the Warsaw Ghetto people who worked with the underground Poles to fight the German Army and its supporters commit aggression on innocent forces by using a few smuggled pistols, rocks, clubs and knives against their well organized and armed oppressors?
A big chance. Police brutality cases have been a dime a dozen for years; their are reams of federal appellate cases dealing with this constitutional issue; many, many municipalities have paid out tons of money to claimants and their lawyers over decades. Video taping of incidents has made proof easier in the last decade or so, and has even been incorporated into many police department systems as a preventive measure. The ACL has been the historical go to agency for support of claimants beyond the court appointed public defender. Israel makes heros out of its murderers also, and has always done so–the best known recent case was the American born doctor who killed people in prayer in a mosque.
I am not a Christian. Billy Graham and ilk have always turned my stomach. Even Curtis LeMay said the only reason he got away with what he orchestrated and implemented is that the US won the war, and that if we had lost, he would have been hung as a war criminal. I understand your wish to divide and conquer; it was what propelled the USA 1965 Immigration Act, so you should be happy living here since it's been working as planned by those who pushed it, whom you can read about in Congressional Legislation archives anytime. Are you in full support of Open Borders? If not, what restrictions would you favor? Please also explain your wish to kick out "moderate Christians" because you are the son of Jewish immigrants.
I posted that. Yes, quite a difference.
I agree. Would anyone in the Establishment censor a video clip of American born skinheads or neoNazi punks being randomly interviewed with the same question? No. Would the MSM put that video clip on national/cable TV? Yes. Would it be discussed, yes. And rightly so. Would Phil Maher do it, yes. Would he show Max's video and discuss ? No. The Daily Show? Well, it has not yet done so and time is passing fast even as the issues raised by the video hover.
An act of war is directed against a country. "Palestineans" isn't a country. Neither is "Palestine". Never has been. When Jordan attacked Israel FROM THE WEST BANK, this was an act of war BY JORDAN. Same for Egypt in Gaza. Israel responded against JORDAN AND EGYPT. Legally, you are full of it. Morally, too….
Your "most recent case" was Dr. Baruch Goldstein. It was nearly 20 years ago. Israel has NOT made a hero out of him; in fact, the govt demolished a gravestone there, demanding a smaller, less visible stone. You lie, plain and simple. The comparison with the Arabs is illumimating. Arab MURDERERS who kill for the sheer joy of it and for the GREATER GLORY OF ALLAH are hailed, squares are named after them, they are welcomed back from prison as heros, even if they murdered young children just because they were Jewish. Check out Samir Kuntar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar There are many others. What is more, Arab/Islamic murderers are much more recent than 20 years ago. Had any of you cared (and it seems that none of you do) around 100 Muslims have been slaughtered in terrorist attacks EVERY DAY in recent weeks by other Muslims in various Muslim countries. But you go back 20 years and make up lies,just to slander Israel. How pathetic…
That was a 1-liner. Not a "reply"…. Nucklehead??? :-)
MondoLies aklert. Liar hiding behing "MRW". Obvious..
http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2006/08/123-israeli... Palestinean Terrorist Jihadis murder children sleeping in their beds. Can you look at these photos? Can you? Hundreds of children have been murdered this way. Just because they were Jewish. That's all. Resistance? Liberation? Freedom? No… Just MondoHatred. Bigots.
So civil wars are not wars then? It's not I who is full of it, either legally or morally. While Israel was fighting Jordan and and Egypt in 1967, it is not occupying either of those places. It is occupying Palestine. Military occupations are an act of war. While Israel may have been attacking Jordanian and Egyptian forces in 1967, it established a military occupation of Palestinian land which continues to this day. This is an act of war against the Palestinians.
RE: "A disturbing trend is emerging on YouTube – videos that show Israel in a bad light are being taken down." SEE: “ADL, YouTube launch partnership to fight video abuse”, Dec. 14, 2008, By MAX SOCOL, “THE JERUSALEM POST” (EXCERPT) The Anti-Defamation League announced Sunday its recent expansion into the world of YouTube, the on-line video-sharing site. The US-based advocacy group has officially partnered with the digital media powerhouse in an effort to combat hate speech and other forms of abuse… ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=J...
SEE: “ADL, YouTube launch partnership to fight video abuse”, Dec. 14, 2008, By MAX SOCOL, “THE JERUSALEM POST” (EXCERPT) The Anti-Defamation League announced Sunday its recent expansion into the world of YouTube, the on-line video-sharing site. The US-based advocacy group has officially partnered with the digital media powerhouse in an effort to combat hate speech and other forms of abuse… ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=J...
http://typo3.ort.org/index.php?id=sachsenhausen http://typo3.ort.org/index.php?id=sachsenhausen "The concentration camp Sachsenhausen, located 35 kilometres north of Berlin, was established in April 1936. Its first prisoners were brought in from the early Emsland camps. [...] One of the most prominent and tormenting elements of life in Sachsenhausen was forced music-making. One former inmate recalled: The SS made singing, like everything else they did, a mockery, a torment for the prisoners … those who sang too softly or too loudly were beaten. The SS men always found a reason … when in the evening we had to drag our dead and murdered comrades back into the camp, we had to sing. Hour after hour we had to, whether in the burning sun, freezing cold, or in snow or rain storms, on the roll call plaza we had to stand and sing of … the girl with the dark brown eyes, the forest or the wood grouse. [...]"
As someone who had actually served in the IOF, these soldiers are very typical. thats all to it. most soldiers take part in similar activities, diffrent songs though. the only difference is, that only MAGAV (border police) would be stupid enough (they are recruited amongst the weakest in our society) to film and upload this crap.
"the Palestinians are at war with Israel, it should be Israeli military charges. " ahhem, even Israel wont say such thing because it's a) de-facto recognition of a Palestinian state (as 'war' can only be between states) and b)it implies that the Geneva convention applies to this 'war', which implicates Israel in countless Crimes Against Humanity and Atrocities of War, amongst other things. for these legal reasons, Israel reffers to the occupation as "Low intensity conflict" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_intensity_confli...
you notice how all the iranian dissent videos are posted, anything showing iran or muslims in a poor light but nothing about israel.. hmmm
hey ! i just was informed by the youtube that they remove the clip i uploaded during the gaza carnage, about the similarities between zionism and nazism in photos as they considered that i violated the guidlines ! .. here's the message ——————————————————— ATTENTION The following video(s) from your account have been disabled for violation of the YouTube Community Guidelines: * Parallel Lines Between Zionism and Nazism .. IN PHOTOS – (fallujah78) Your account has received one Community Guidelines warning strike, which will expire in six months. Additional violations may result in the temporary disabling of your ability to post content to YouTube and/or the termination of your account. For your reference, a copy of this message has also been emailed to the address associated with this account. __________________ i am disappointed by the youtube biased policy.. it seems it has selective agenda for further details on the clip , email me