From the Maan News agency. Oh and Haaretz has the same story, and says this wingnut has the endorsement of other West Bank colonist rabbis, and his book says that if babies and children threaten the Jewish state you can ice em. Babies and children? I never got this memo.
Jews have the right to kill non-Jews in just about any circumstance, according to Israeli news reports quoting Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, the head of a Jewish religious school in the illegal settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus.
"If we kill a gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments… there is nothing wrong with the murder," Shapiro wrote, according to Hebrew-language Israeli newspaper Maariv on Monday.
“Jews have the right to kill non-Jews in just about any circumstance, according to Israeli news reports quoting Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, the head of a Jewish religious school in the illegal settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus.”
Why didn’t somebody tell that to the thousands of Jews in Europe who went peacably to the camps (the death camps, not religious summer camp)? Why not, o God, why not? Maybe it was a more recent communication.
Well, at least they know it now! And Goddammit, the couple million of us are gonna show the billions of you who’s frickin boss now!
They went peacefullt because they were helpless. Had they the means of fighting back they would surely have done so. They did in Warsaw, didn’t they?
Besides, aren’t you comparing apples and oranges?
Exactly Saleema.
Here, have a nice fresh piece waxed fruit. I painted it myself.
Geeez, Mooser…I knew this blinkin middle east conflict wasn’t gonna be good for the Italians…
Like she said: “Geez Mooser, I don’t think that was good for anybody”
Not really–last time I watched the Sopranos they didn’t worry much any gun laws; Nazi Germany invented the first hand gun law, and beefed up the existing Weimar
gun laws.
Scanning the comments of Haaretz, people were more worried about anti-semitism than the immorality of it.
If people in Europe can go to jail for holocaust denial then this rAbbi should go to jail for incitement to hate. But I suppose being a jew in israel comes with certain privalages
But you can always tell the apples from the oranges.
Let them eat apples then.
For the memo, it’s filed under “Amalekites.”
I saw this elsewhere and am kind of surprised to see it here, but it deserves to be seen by everyone everywhere. There is a core of murderous religious fanaticism in the settler movement and among a segment of the wider jewish population, particularly radical zionists, that is supremacist and extremely malevolent in nature. It needs to be exposed. Thanks to Phil for posting the article.
“There is a core of murderous religious fanaticism in the settler movement and among a segment of the wider jewish population, particularly radical zionists, that is supremacist and extremely malevolent in nature.”
What “core”? The settlers couldn’t do a thing without the protection of the Israeli military. Expansion by settlement, provocation and agression is Israeli government policy. Since it’s a risky gambit, and may involve a settlement or two sacrificed as human sheilds, the Israelis use religious nuts for the purpose.
Just a couple of things we can all be proud of in temple this Saturday.
Why do I get the feeling that Israel is just using the settlers, and will sacrifice them to a tragic end? What the hell kind of government allows this? Talk about “human shields”
It really hurts when you think that with years of therapy and a shitload of psychotropic drugs some of those settlers could stay out of jail or even possibly work. What a tragic waste.
If israel has used the settlers then it was for grabbing land and they end up having to give it back anyway (Sinai, Gaza, and soon much of West Bank) yet have weakened their own regime through the infiltration of radicals into their army, polity and society. If it was a Faustian bargain they struck, then they never learned the lesson of Faust
I think it’s the settlers using the IDF, expecting their aid and protection but slapping them in the face when they obey orders of the anti-semites in the goverment.
i agree, seems like the settlers are delusional warm bodies being used as pawns to pioneer the landgrab under the watchful eyed of the IDF. another function they serve is to assist in the persecution of the Palestinians, maintaining the “transfer” pressure.
I heard a lot of the settles were born in the USA, so along with USA tax dollars,
I guess they are expendable, and fungible.
That’s right, andrew, and the game may involve the loss or overrunning of a settlement by angry Palestinians, which Israel will use to their advantage.
Using re,igious nuts for this purpose instead of restraining them is unconscionable. But Zionists are the first to say there are too many Jews.
Tragic,
The most understated word when mentioning aparthied and crimes against humanity which have run amuck into the united states politics and personel ever since I can recall.
Radicals are in the U.S. government running the show when will they be quashed.
The fact that people are stupid and dumbed down along with the religous fervor
that is in itself BS, and god never existed is reason enough to send all whom dwell in the world to a walled in confinment to be imprisoned for the backing of such atroscities in the world which after hearing the netanyahoo speach on all the good they have created ( the a bomb, weapons of mass destruction, the god illusion, the list is too long.
It seems it will possibly end along with the civilization..knowing how the so called politicians and leaders are party to all this terror. The lessons will be learned lets hope the main one is never to let another religous bunch of cults do what has been done ever again.
get a grip there is no god you have all been played by the best players who now have run out of plays, and will take down human civilization with it. So do you really need these people in charge of anything ever ?????
Maariv has the story too . . . . here’s a translation. (I apologize that I’ve posted this in two threads earlier today, esp after it came out at 9:30 AM)
Settler Rabbi publishes “The complete guide to killing non-Jews”
link to didiremez.wordpress.com
Of course, this edict doesn’t look too good for Obama, does it….
In addition, the children of the leader may be harmed in order to apply pressure to him. If attacking the children of a wicked ruler will influence him not to behave wickedly, they may be harmed.
This thing is full of little gems.
Is it 1938 yet?
Pretty funny considering Obama equated his two little sleeping girls all tucked in their bed
with little Israeli girls.
If anyone wonders why anti-semitism is going to spread after this gets around, guess again.
“…the head of a Jewish religious school in the illegal settlement of Yitzhar, near Nablus.”
Are American tax dollars funding these ‘hate factories’ where ‘future terrorists’ will be produced? Unbelievable.
Anyone think Joe Liberman knows about this misappropriation of US aid?
The checks have his name on them.
He probably helped them get published.
The Ha’aretz story concludes with this:
“Several prominent rabbis, including Rabbi Yithak Ginzburg and Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, have recommended the book to their students and followers.”
It appears to be an idea with legs in Israel, which is hardly surprising after Operation Cast Lead and the Second Lebanon War.
A pet fantasy of mine is that I somehow gain entrance to the annual AIPAC conference in Washington and conduct interviews with all the attendees, asking this question, “Do you think Jews have the intrinsic right to kill gentiles who get in the way of The Jewish State of Israel?”
Read the Maariv article. Maariv broke the story. An Israeli translated it here: link to u.nu
The links to these stories need to be sent to your congressman, because you know they all voted to stop pressuring Israel over the settlements. Out tax dollars go to support this heinous behavior and thinking?
Dont forgot the link I posted at November 9, 2009 at 9:24 pm….it contains a translation of the complete Maariv article apparently. Maariv broke the story today.
So I guess Sasha and Malia Obama are fair game from these rabbis’ points-of-view. Appalling.
Non-Jews get called virulently anti-semitic for quoting instructions like these out of the Talmud (Sanhedrin), accused of spreading “vicious lies” about ancient Jewish edicts that ‘no one takes seriously anymore’. Along comes this tripe — this dangerous and vile tripe — and it’s all the anti-gentilism in the Jewish Bible. How are they going to cover this crap this time? Maariv (I think it’s that article, if not, one of the other two) says that the rabbis used the Bible, then added their spin on it.
So what would you call this, “Jihad Old Testament Style”? Too long.
Genocide Old Testament Style. The biblical history of the Israelite conquest of Canaan is one genocide after another. This fact is somehow overlooked by those who consider it the “good book” but it is in fact a mandate for genocide.
And the settlers, whose speeches never fail to include references to the fate of Amalek, embrace this mandate.
Some of these Rabbis paint a very ugly picture of Judaism. For example, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzberg wrote: “A Jew is entitled to extract the liver from a goy if he needs it, for the life of a Jew is more valuable than the life of a goy. Likewise, the life of a goy is more valuable than the life of an animal.”
When the truth becomes ‘anti-Semitism’
link to rehmat1.wordpress.com
In an odd way it seems to me this presents the Israeli government with a huge opportunity:
Just a few weeks ago in reaction to a private newspaper in Norway I believe publishing a story pondering whether the IDF had harvested organs from some Palestinians it had killed the Israeli government officially demanded that the Norwegian gov’t repudiate this suggestion.
My sense is that it did get some official reaction due to this demand—the Norwegian Prez. or etc. saying it was a repulsive story or something. But in any event think of how good the Israeli government would look to have Netanyahu or Peres repudiate what their own citizen-nutball has now said.
Biggest favor it could possibly do for the average Israeli and indeed the average jewish person too who has just slapped their forehead out of amazement and disgust at this.
We’ll see, but if I’m correct the Right wing in Israel is without hesitation going to utterly fail this little test of just how much it really cares about its oh-so-frequently proclaimed duty to represent all Israelis and indeed to a significant extent all jews too.
… and then the Right-wingers will sit back and endlessly ask why Diaspora jews around the world are becoming ever more estranged from Israel.
Hmmmm, mystery of mysteries….
You’re right about the opportunity, Sin Nombre, but Netanyahu wont take it. He’s not smart enough. He wanted this leadership position for a long, long time, and now he is the darling of the settlers. I believe he’s firmly convinced that the American Diaspora can control Obama to his liking, while he controls the home fires. Problem is that Netanyahu and all the other old white men around the world have not picked up on a change in world consciousness. They think it’s still the 20th C. Israel is particularly out of touch; it just doesn’t know it, quite apart from the 1810 AD-shtetl mentality in the WB. The Abrahamic religions are cooked.
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Forgive my theological naivete but… seven commandments? Isn’t that, like, three short?
Chaos:Forgive my theological naivete but… seven commandments? Isn’t that, like, three short?
The genocidal mani… I mean rabbi was referring to the seven “Noahide” laws: 1. no idolatry 2. no cursing God 3. no murder 4. no illicit sex 5. no stealing 6. establish a judicial system 7. don’t eat a limb from an animal without slaughtering it first. (Maimonides, Laws of Kings, 9,1).
As the late George Carlin said: “You don’t need ten”:
link to youtube.com
That Carlin clip is a classic, and ENTIRELY apropos this topic.
“don’t eat a limb from an animal without slaughtering it first???” Yeech. Is that some BCE delicacy? Like ancient meat sushi/sashimi they engaged in? But Maimonides was 12th C, wasn’t he? So, what were the rules before then?
Carlin says it all.
MRW: But Maimonides was 12th C, wasn’t he? So, what were the rules before then?
Maimonides was a codifier, drawing upon earlier sources, primarily the Talmud. It is doubtful whether the Noahide Laws were ever enforced – having been developed when Jews no longer had any temporal power. Maimonides’ Laws of Kings is a messianic fantasy in which he tried to reconcile ancient impotent rabbinic ramblings with a coherent system of government. This maniac from Yitzhar (and far too many like him) obviously doesn’t get the fantasy part. Which of our august members was it who was working on a sepulchral spinometer? I think Maimonides could use one about now.
But Carlin indeed says it all.
“Which of our august members was it who was working on a sepulchral spinometer?”
I thought maybe it might be a source of electricity if we hooked ‘em up to a dynamo.
Wikipedia to the rescue:
Seven Laws of Noah
Not the Ten Commandments, Moses came down with for the Jews (nor the 613 later prescribed for them) , but the 7 Noahide Laws later prescribed by the Jews for Gentiles. Can you read your doctor’s prescription? Can the pharmicist? Just joking.
Maybe only really need 2 laws, the Golden Rule as worded by the Jews (Don’t do anything to others you wouldn’t want done to you, and the Christian version, Do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
Citizen: the Golden Rule as worded by the Jews (Don’t do anything to others you wouldn’t want done to you
Or Confucius, some four centuries before Hillel. You’re right about the basis for ethical behaviour, but specifics help. They also give lawyers something to do :-)
Chaos,
Here’s what happened:
link to youtube.com
Perhaps the other three were rendered unreadable due to acid rain or something.
Thanks for that. I love Mel Brooks and that’s one of my favorite scenes! Oy.
The seven laws are Noachide Laws, which are the “responsibility of the gentiles.” The children of Noah are presumed to be the gentiles, the children of Israel are the descendants of Jacob (which are supposed to fulfill the 613 laws of Torah).
The seven laws pertain to:
Avodah Zarah: Prohibition on idolatry.
Birchat HaShem: Prohibition on blasphemy and cursing the name
of god.
Shefichat Damim: Prohibition on murder.
Gezel: Prohibition on robbery and theft.
Gilui Arayot: Prohibition on immorality and forbidden sexual relations.
Ever Min HaChay: Prohibition on removing and eating a limb from a live
animal.
Dinim: Requirement to establish a justice system and courts of law to
enforce the other 6 laws.
The gentile who fulfills them is considered “Chasidei Umot Haolam,” the pious ones of the nations. Torah says that one who fulfills the seven laws Ger Toshav, a proselyte of the gate.
Fuck em all. Screw all these religions.
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Agreed.
You summed it up well.
It is certainly a simple solution. Like most simple solutions it falls short. I rather suspect that Stalin was an atheist. It certainly was the state religion of the country.
In Nazi Germany there were such people as Baldur von Schirach, Artur Axmann, Martin Bormann, Richard Strauss, Adolf Wagner (link to en.wikipedia.org
There is no question that the rise of athiesm and the rise of tolerance has gone hand in hand. There is also no question that atheists are capable of the same evil as anyone else. I do think, though, you may be hearkening back to a time in a way you claim to oppose. I would suggest that the age of tolerance has a lot of good possibilities to offer. There are some athiests, churches, mosques, temples, etc. that are fully on board.
If you goal is the further weaking of religion, you could do a whole lot worse than make common cause with people of any religious stripe who are in complete agreement with tolerance as a goal.
Edwin:
Where I live, the two dominant ideological groups in just about every “good fight” are atheist-communists and devout Catholics – with the difference that the former tend to represent the values of their hierarchy, while the latter tend to be renegades and exceptions. Having said that, cooperation between the two groups usually works quite well, with a lot of mutual respect.
Good point, edwin. Atheism itself does not necessarily lead to tolerance of, or kindness to, one’s fellow man or woman.
“Also, anyone who weakens our own state by word or similar action is considered a pursuer…” so says the nutty settler “rabbi.” I think he has fingered the wrong “pursuer,” and plays a bit of a role reversal. All use of religious edict within the sphere of the political is nothing but the continuation of the chief use of religion, to drive the masses in the direction of the will of the few. That is why religion in general should not be anywhere near the seat of power.
These settler rabbi nutcases are saying its alright to off Obama and his kids. This is Yitzhak Rabin all over again. And some nutjob is going to try it.
I grew up in the Catholic church and was screaming for mercy from their tenets by the time I was 15. This is the same garbage, only worse because these idiots are putting it on paper for the beholden to go out and enact. Mark my words. It’s going to happen to someone. Sick Mofos.
In fairness–relative to your comment about Obama–the demonization of the president is hardly the monopoly of the Israeli rightwing.
That demonization–of what is no more than a centrist democrat who has continued many of Bush’s policies–found its voice in the United States among the rightwing media and irresponsible and enabling republican leadership.
I agree with you that Obama is at risk.
It already has. Jack Teitel.
I am horrified! But not surprised.
Where is Noami998? What Noami998 can tell us about this story?
I’ll save Nomi the trouble: The Arabs are far worse – 50-line cut and paste from Memri – but you leftist, racist, anti-Semites never mention that.
Oh, and I’ll save Mooser the touble too ;-)
Hasbara points 2-3 combo: they suck – you suck.
That’s how you do it, Shmuel. I someimes award extra credit for a nice logical backflip, or reverse twist, and a clean entry always impresses the judges.
Where’s Nomi when you need him?
I would ove to hear his explanation for this, given his belief that all Muslims belong to a collective, surely the same must apply to Jews?
DON’T INVOKE IT!
See, now it’s back and it’s your fault.
So, let’s see, a German citizen can go to jail for holding the left hand out straight and up, and a US tax-funded American Israeli settler can peddle to kids advocation of murder of Gentiles; Streicher was tortured, then hung for his little anti-semitic cartoons in a childish newspaper that had a tiny and short-lived circulation.
Citizen, I don’t mean to be insensitive, but who gives a flying f@ck what happened to Julius Streicher? May he rot in hell. And his role in the rise of National Socialism was a bit more involved than a few ‘anti-Semitic cartoons’, as you put it.
You have got to give Citizen the room he needs, marc b, to reach his conclusions.
Obviously, Julius Streicher’s execution shows the power of the Jews to control the media and speech. Death for publishing a few cartoons, can you imagine!
Of course, if you did apply with the same rigor the conclusions of Nuremberg on US presidents and Israeli primes ministers, since the end of WW2 they would all have to be hung (Streicher got what he deserved, what about the others I mentioned?). However, that is another story
Sounds like judeofacism is alive and well in the west bank settler movement. Their hatred for the non-Jew is racism of the worst kind.
JERUSALEM_ Rabbis affiliated with the Israeli army urged troops heading into Gaza to reclaim what they said was God-given land and “get rid of the gentiles” — effectively turning the 22-day Israeli intervention into a religious war, according to the testimony of a soldier who fought in Gaza.
Literature passed out to soldiers by the army’s rabbinate “had a clear message — we are the people of Israel, we came by a miracle to the land of Israel, God returned us to the land, now we need to struggle to get rid of the gentiles that are interfering with our conquest of the land,” the soldier told a forum of Gaza veterans in mid-February, just weeks after the conflict ended.
A transcript of the testimony given at an Israeli military academy at the Oranim college on Feb. 13 was obtained on Friday by McClatchy and also published in Haaretz, one of Israel’s leading dailies. The soldier, identified as “Ram,” a pseudonym to protect his identity, gave a scathing description of the atmosphere as the Israeli army went to war.
link to mcclatchydc.com
This kind of thing doesn’t go back into the bottle.
Unfortunately, it’s a tempest in a teapot that most Americans probably won’t be aware of until the kitchen explodes.
Why hasn’t my comment been posted? What does moderation mean? Is this standard procedure or is my comment unacceptable for some reason? The neocons have had no trouble using the word islamofacism, and to have one standard for killing children of one ethnic group and not abide by the same standard for ones own, sounds like the essense of racism. Please explain why my comment has been left out. Thankyou.
Paljustice
Are you new here? Did your comment include more than one link?
Yes, I am new to this site in commenting on artcles. I did not go to any other links though. I was glad to see that the comments I wrote finally appeared. Does it always take several hours?
Obviously, the system knew a born screecher when it saw one.
Also, did you include $20 with your comment? I thought not.
You know, sometimes you are just petty and cruel, Mooser. What’s the point?
Thre truth is all religons are based on lies americans are on reservations and await for the colonization to wipe itself out in the means that, (example) all the brainwashed people that call themselves children of god whom have a right to some piece of land which infact has been proven a lie. Then the so called leaders here that are so called leaders that are for the america we all though are really invading for the zionist whom are in tye three branches of government here in what is the usa. Another example of that fact is the columbine killer, ira inhorn, son of sam, the list goes on and on …are not executed as malvo will be and others because they snapped. Even with the hassan guy made a patsy (did not have that many clips to injure 42 people and military still covered it up and made a story simply because they need to have support for the things they do..which are for israel and no one else, iraq and afganistan the same, there is nothing to prove otherwise simply because of the people behind the benefits of these atroscities and lies put forth to enrage wrongfully and commit more of the same. The government which is made of zionist now want to make manditory health insurance and the credit cards and banks…well common..if it smells like poop and looks like poop and came out of the butt well it is just that. Don’t bother with the international criminal courts or un they are part of the cue as well and don’t forget the machine that daily dumbs down what is left of mindless people whom just take what is said as facts without so much as checking it out in the first place. There is no god is was all a lie which needed others that would not go along to have their own brands too..christianity jewish muslim and others, all lies to keep the people in check.
“Thre truth is all religons are based on lies”
No! How can you possibly say that? Please tell me that’s not what you really think! I will pray for you.
As a non-Jew aware that the belief of Orthodox Jews was that the messiah would rule the world from Jerusalem, I am very disturbed by this. Jewish supremacy very evident in the Torah/Old Testament where thousands of non Jews are always getting smitten by their psychopathic God is a major concern not only because Israel is an unstable country with Nuclear weapons, but their hatred for the rest of humanity will cause a backlash. But this time the evidence will show their were clear and present dangers, and the rest of mankind had to act to save itself. This article will be exhibit number one. The cause of anti-semitism has always rested in this Jewish Supremacist fear, it is why Emperor Constantine would not allow Jews into the rebuilt Jerusalem in the 4th century. The memory of what Titus had to do in AD70, and what the Emperor in AD135 had to do was ingrained his psyche… and he could not allow it to happen again. My children are Jewish and this supremacist nonsense very dangerous long term implications
“As a non-Jew aware that the belief of Orthodox Jews…”
“My children are Jewish and this…
You realise you will not be able to comment further unless you explain this. Rest assured, you have my complete sympathy and and can count on our discretion. Now, what happened?
And don’t worry about Constantine and Titus, you explained that completely and perfectly. Threw a bunch of historians out of work, but hey, things are tough all over.
Anyway, who was she, and how bad is your alimony?