Pulse has posted an interview with Ali Abunimah that was conducted by a reporter for Haaretz, Rehaviya Berman, several weeks ago. Haaretz did not run the interview, and Berman then published it on his blog (once again demonstrating the importance of the internet in degrading consensus-building media). It’s a great interview. It reveals Abunimah as a generational leader among Palestinians and Palestinian-Americans, it openly discusses Abunimah’s personal connection to the Nakba through his parents’ experience, and its apparent suppression speaks to the incredible fear that even liberal left Jews/Israelis have about anti-Zionism. We wrote a week or so back that Abunimah is marginalized in the western press. It’s true for Israel too.
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Who has a more righteous right of return, Dick Witty, or Ali Abunimah?
Its not very honest to use my name as a euphemism for anything that Israel does, or any individual within Israel holds as an idea.
It would be more honest to address my thinking, which means that first you’d have to understand it respectfully.
Oh, you don’t think Israel has a right to exist as a safe haven for Jews the world over?
Pardon me; I didn’t know that. Let us know when you declare Israel has no right
to issue an insurance policy using Palestinian homes as collateral.
Notice how Witty evades the question? That’s all the answer we need.
“t would be more honest to address my thinking, which means that first you’d have to understand it respectfully.”
Okay, this is worth delurking to say. You want respect? Follow your own advice. You don’t engage serious criticisms of your thought and you ignore or sidestep facts and arguments that you are unable to refute. Sometimes you simply accuse people of being supporters of Hamas. You want respect, but you treat everyone else like idiots. Treating people with respect means listening to their arguments, acknowledging their points, admitting when you don’t have a good reply to a given argument. You don’t do this. You aren’t always treated fairly either, but in many cases that’s because people have lost all patience with your behavior.
Abunimah’s message changes. In this interview, his description of “right” of return for Palestinians was described as almost token.
I personally advocate, here and elsewhere for a repeal of the 1950′s laws that created the exclusion of Palestinian former residents of Israel from their day in court to defend their property and residence rights.
It is certainly late and then only applies to the very small minority of refugee Palestinians from that time that are still living.
It would not apply to a national basis for all descendants of return to a general area. I get the irony of the Balzer slide from a couple weeks ago.
In other locales, he speaks of the right of return in far more sweeping and general terms that amount to an intentional stacked deck to create an angry Palestinian majority in the region from river to sea.
I personally consider the partitioned state as more democratic currently than the single-state proposal, which I consider barely democratic, given the strong national sentiments of both populations.
Even though Northern Ireland violence is greatly reduced, Northern Ireland is not part of the Irish Republic, which as an island would be a more rational basis of jurisdiction, with groups that speak the same native language and share culture.
Neither South Africa, nor Northern Ireland are parallel situations.
Zionist Strategy 12:
When in doubt, ad hominem! Accusing other people of vacillation is a great way to hide your own prevarications.
Unlike Holocaust reparations, huh? Wittypocrisy.
He didn’t say anything about reparations Chaos. The Palestinians will be the largest recipients of foreign aid in history, if they ever
#1 reconcile w/ each other.
#2 reconcile with Israel.
Its the norm for ever refugee population that the right of return only applies to those who were personally forced from their land.
Maybe Cliff could confirm that this is the case for all refugees following the partition of India and Pakistan, or the Burmese refugees in India who have been treated worse than those in the West Bank.
As a humanist I figured you’d be interested in the persecution which takes place in your homeland Cliff:
link to persecution.in
There are no Jews or Israelis involved in the persecution there, so it might not interested you, but Israel does supply India with advanced military hardware, so maybe that is enough of a connection.
I wouldn’t ever try to whitewash India’s crimes. But anyways, I identify as an American of Indian descent.
So naturally over time, as I got more into politics I gravitated towards I-P because I’m American.
Get over yourself Nazi. It’s not about you and your brand of Jewishness.
Maybe we can have Witty tell us again about his wife’s relationship with Hungary?
Anyway the Palestinians aren’t like Israelis. They don’t want charity. They want their damn homeland back and then they can very well handle things from there, once the bulldozers, white phosphorous and “flying” checkpoints are gone.
Isn’t he though? I mean seriously. It’s like yonira can’t open his mouth without making a personal attack. It has got to suck for his kids, if he has them.
Let’s put the comments side by side, shall we?
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And I think this line, admittedly taken out of its original context, really sums it up well.
Palestinians HAVE to forget, Jews must NEVER forget…
That pretty much sums it up.
Yes, this is the Dick Witty take on events. Pals need to forget and give up, e.g., the right of the right of return, while Dick keeps his Israeli insurance policy collatorised by US farm boys and our whore congress.