Republican congressmen join Islamophobic hate rally in California

The Council on American Islamic Relations-Los Angeles issued the following statement along with the video above:

The Greater Los Angeles Area office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-LA) today released a video of a rally organized by anti-Muslim bigots to protest a February fundraising event held by an American Muslim relief group for relief work and charity in the U.S.

A few hundred protesters showed up to the rally, which was sponsored by groups such as: “We Surround Them OC 912″ (a local Tea Party group), Rabbi David Eliezrie of Chabad – Yorba Linda, North Orange County Conservative Coalition, ACT! for America, and Pamela Geller (whose group “Stop the Islamization of America” has been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center).

Elected officials Congressmen Ed Royce and Gary Miller, and Villa Park Councilwoman Deborah Pauly also attended and spoke at the protest rally.

The event — held at Yorba Linda Community Center, a facility that has been frequented by Muslim families and businesses over the years — first became a target of anti-Muslim bigots over two of the fundraiser’s speakers, who were to speak on the importance of charity in Islam. Initial attempts of some groups to have the Yorba Linda Community Center and the Yorba Linda City Council cancel the fundraising event failed, followed by the protest.

In a statement, CAIR-LA said:

“We support the First Amendment right of protest\eors anywhere in America to voice their concerns, dissent, and even hatred. However, when our nation’s foundational values of inclusiveness, pluralism and equality are attacked by some in favor of calls for advocating hate and violence, then all Americans have a responsibility to challenge and expose such bigotry and those who enable it.

“As the video shows, the rhetoric of the protesters became increasingly venomous toward the families and children who came to attend the ICNA Relief fundraising dinner. Protesters shouted invective statements such as “Go home terrorist,” “Muhammad is a pervert, Muhammad is a child molester,” “Go home and beat your wife, she needs a good beating” at the event-goers.

“Even more disturbing was the participation and encouragement of elected officials in promoting the hateful protest rally. Villa Park Councilwoman, Deborah Pauly, while addressing the crowd at the rally, appeared to threaten Muslim event-goers. Congressman Ed Royce (R-40), in a troubling trend of disparaging Islam and its followers, added fuel to the fire by encouraging protesters to continue on with their hate-mongering. The attendance of Congressman Gary Miller (R-42) was a clear surprise, since he previously has engaged with all constituents, including Muslims, toward a better America.

“We strongly urge all elected officials in attendance to distance themselves from such an exhibition of hate and bigotry. We further ask residents and elected officials of Yorba Linda, Orange County and other parts of our nation to speak out against such hateful rhetoric and the continued Islamophobia that plagues our nation.”

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  1. annie says:

    this is gruesome incitement

    • seafoid says:

      They can all watch this in Afghanistan, you know. This stuff goes global. It must give Osama Bin Laden immense pleasure. And mean another few bodybags for Obama’s soldiers.

    • MRW says:

      Notice the Israeli flag behind Republican Congressman Gary Miller at 5:30 minutes. Are we to assume now that Islamophobia is a Jewish and Israeli campaign?

      Cries to “Go home?” When Helen Thomas said this about Zionists in I/P, she got fired.

      • annie says:

        Are we to assume now that Islamophobia is a Jewish and Israeli campaign?

        i’d say after the zio freaks started that campus campaign to warn people about islam..yes definitely. and that islamophobe movie dvd they distributed thru the newspapers? hello. it’s a friggin industry.

        • fuster says:

          no, annie.
          Islamophobia has deep roots in Europe.

          Just as the Islamists hiss about Crusaders, the Europeans curse about Constantinople and Kosovo and the siege of Vienna.

        • DBG says:

          Here is why there is an industry Annie:

          Attacks in America:
          link to thereligionofpeace.com

          Americans killed by Palestinians:
          link to thereligionofpeace.com

          Question the website all you want. If you don’t believe it, google each one of the names and events. This is the reality, this is why the West and Israel will always be united against Terror and this is why your bogus BDS movement and attempt to de-legitimize Israel will be an epic failure.

        • hophmi says:

          So, based on the presence of a Jewish republican congressman at this rally, Islamophobia is a “Jewish” campaign. Well, if that nonsense logic is true, then antisemitism is an Islamic campaign.

  2. gingershot says:

    This just makes me sick – these guys are just so embarrassing

    The Israeli Lobby has so throughly succeeded in framing America into an Islamic-extremism mentality that it qualifies as brainwashing. Not that it took much detergent to brainwash these morons

    The racism and psy-ops campaign that the full spectrum of Israeli, Israeli intelligence, Neocon, and Israeli Lobby have been running against America is going to take such a massive upheaval to overthrow. America is Israel’s cheap fiddle

  3. Oscar says:

    Shocking, saddening. Even the KKK wasn’t this vile and hateful. What has happened to my country?

    • fuster says:

      Oscar, you’re quite wrong. The KKK was miles worse.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        “Oscar, you’re quite wrong. The KKK was miles worse.”

        In many ways, yes. But in many ways, no. The KKK did not, to my knowledge, infest the body politic sufficient to wage war after war against the object of their vile hatred nor spend billions and billions, decade after decade, propping up a colonial regime which is dedicated to the murder, oppression and land theft of those who are the object of that hatred.

      • Citizen says:

        Now there’s a reprimand–thanks fuster, got another more direct comment on the subject rally?

      • Ellen says:

        Hey fus, did you know that one of the founders of the KKK in south Carolina was Bernard Baruch’s father? True. Read Baruch’s autobiography.

        It may have not started out as a total hate group, but they hated the change in order and really had a thing about Catholics.

      • MRW says:

        The KKK didn’t appear with Congressmen and mix their flag in with the American flag.

  4. yourstruly says:

    Is there any difference between the type of vitriol that Muammar Gaddafi is using against Libyan revolutionaries and that which these Islamophobes are hurling at Muslims? My how desperate people do desperate things!

    • fuster says:

      yt,

      nasty words are quite different than bullets in my experience and I hope that you never experience that difference

      • yourstruly says:

        oh, zionists don’t shoot at or othewise do in anti-Zionists? Tell that to the family of Alex Odeh, blown to kingdom come 26 years ago by a bomb planted by JDL thug. And what about the physical abuse that protesters in have to suffer through in occupied Palestine, such as the IDF firing tear gas cannisters that score direct hits? Not to mention the thirteen protesters killed by Israeli commandos a few months ago when they boarded the Mavi Marmara. Then there’s the matter of those letter bombs that the JDL sent to anti-Zionists a couple decades ago.

        • fuster says:

          yt, how stupid can you be? These good God-fearing folks of California demanding that foreigners leave the Christian USA because followers of Islam are terrorists have not a damn thing to do with Zionism.

          you’re watching bigotry not attempted murder, and you’re an utter ass to think that they’re one and the same.

        • Taxi says:

          Weapon of mass-slimeball!

        • annie says:

          not a damn thing to do with Zionism.

          what’s that blue stripe doing hanging with our flag?

        • Taxi says:

          Slipped in there like a hate-code?

        • annie says:

          argh…shades of 51st state visual.

        • seafoid says:

          Come off it, Fuster. There are 2 nerve centres of Islamophobia outside the US> India and Israel. Israel has been exporting this filth since 12 Sept 2001.

        • fuster says:

          seafoid,

          Al Qaeda is the filth and take it up with them if you’re concerned about Islamaphobia.
          Better yet, take it up with the Saudi clerics that they learned from.

          As long as these maggots stage spectacular events and use the attention to proclaim themselves to be the “true” Islam, Islamaphobia is going to spread without any other impetus needed.

          They’re disgusting and should disgust everybody, but they’ve succeeded in getting some folks to fight for the ideas that they spew out, and they’ve succeeded in getting other people, sickened by them, to believe their disgusting claim that they represent Islam.

        • annie says:

          Islamaphobia is going to spread without any other impetus needed.

          i call BS

        • Shingo says:

          Agreed annie. Islamaphobia is what the Repugs and some Tea partiers are campaigning on. If they think they’re going to reach moderates with that message, they’re delusional

        • fuster says:

          you still call annie, right? you just new name joking?

          if you don’t think that the terror tactics of AQ increase the level of Islamophobia in the world, you yawn more than you think.

        • annie says:

          there’s nowhere to go with it except where marty went and worse. the islamophobes are america’s curse, our cross to bare.

        • fuster says:

          It’s broader than that, Shingo. Islamophobia, marginally more acceptable in public discourse in the US, is just the leading edge. behind that is all the anti-Mexican bigotry, big in the Southwest, and the good old fear and hatred of black people.
          They go for the double dip with Obama; Kenyan/Islamist with a side order of Socialist.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Al Qaeda is the filth and take it up with them if you’re concerned about Islamaphobia.

          Isn’t that kind of like saying if you’re concerned about anti-Semitism, take it up with the Knesset?

        • Citizen says:

          Not true, fuster. While it’s generally true that said God-fearing Christian folks do not link their frenzy with Zionists, and indeed, most never even heard the word “Zionist” or have even a slight clue what the Zionist ideology is all about, this does not mean that Islamophobia is not constantly inflamed by the Israel Firsters the MSM keeps enlisting–from Joe Lieberman to Chuckie Krauthammer to Pam Geller.

        • Citizen says:

          Time for old Uncle Sam to get off that zionist IV drip.

        • Citizen says:

          And Israel increases the level of Anti-Americanism in the world. See Petraeus, Baird, Beiden, Freeman, Nader et al. Israel is the greatest recruiter of Anti-Americanism in the world, a veritable attractive nuisance, a first class Tort against civility & public safety.

        • fuster says:

          Citizen, nothing that Lieberman or the little known Krauthammer the virtually unknown Geller could have done in a thousand years could ever have increased the hatred the way that the WTC attack did.
          proportion, Citizen, and publicity.

        • fuster says:

          and now for something completely different……….

          link to motherjones.com

  5. Theo says:

    Yes folks, and this happens in a country known for its “democratic” values, a country that spreads “democracy” all over the world, (as long as they have oil or aqnything else we might need).
    Those congressmen who spoke should be impeached or whatever they is to remove them. They are disgrace for our country.

  6. fuster says:

    gotta be amazed at the utter gall of the people chanting “go back home”.

    California.

  7. iamuglow says:

    Oh my god. That woman, (an elected official?) just supported…what killing people….?

    ‘I know many Marines who would be happy to help these terrorists (muslims) go to pardise (by killing them). This is acceptable to the Republican party?

    Insanity. Then all those threatening rants. Amazing. How can people be so ignorant, so blind to their own blatent hatred? Whats to blame? Is it the educational system? US culture?…or is it just an example of how mallable people are to propaganda from hate mongers like Geller?

    How sad.

  8. seafoid says:

    Islam is really big on charity. Compared to hinduism for example.
    Judaism is poor on equality, if the gap between the haves and have nots in Israel is anything to go by.

    • yourstruly says:

      israel is a zionist, not a jewish entity, so what happens in the settler-entity speaks only for those colonizers, not for the rest of us. Has to do with zionism not being the same as judaism.

      • seafoid says:

        When 70% of US Jews start voting for Palestinian rights you will have a point. But not now. Most Jews are Zionists. And that is what the Zionists always wanted.

        • yourstruly says:

          most jews may be zionists but there’s stubstantial support among jews for justice in palestine. What’s substantial? Enough to begin to panic zionists and steadily increasing, especially among young jewish-americans.

        • Citizen says:

          Yes, it’s true, it does not take much to panic zionists since the ideology itself is paranoid.

  9. The new normal is spreading of hatred against Islam and muslims. Pentagon has just declassified for another islamophobe media that the financial route of 2008 was caused by Ameria -West hating Arabs and muslim terrorists.
    referring to article in http://www.antiwar.com 3/2/11 by Justin raimondo.
    Sounds as was heard by Justin ,like the drumbeat of German Fuerehr of 1930s

  10. Kate says:

    Looks to me like Little Rock, 1957. Bigots screaming at kids trying to get to school. Haven’t progressed much, have we?

  11. Kathleen says:

    Hate filled protest. Period. Those little children walking into the event with their parents…what a horrific example for them.

    Hope the FBI was there filming these people are dangerous

    • Chu says:

      What warped reality these protesters have to chant this stuff. Reminds me of Settlers in Israel. Except settlers would begin to beat the Muslim families and set their houses on fire.

      • Kathleen says:

        I thought the same thing. Settlers in the West Bank, E Jerusalem. Stories from Art Gish and others.

        White folks challenged by Civil rights marches etc. So friggin hateful

  12. Taxi says:

    Mohammad effing christ!!! What the halloween heck be goin’ on down there in bankrupt Orange County???!!!

    The local Native American Indian community should counter-protest the mad-hatters’ hate fest and congregate in full regalia some twenty feet away and chant back at them EXACTLY the same slogans but LOUDER-LOUDER-LOUDER!!!

    Goodness! I never seen so many repugnant white women gathered up in the shadows of night!! Disgusting nocturnal behavior!! They looked like whores of hate loitering on dark side streets and calling out for business – the business of hate and death!

    These twisted folk are NOT speaking for California – NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS AND SOME! They’re probably re-settlers from Arizona and Texas who planted themselves and their despicable hate-seeds in Orange County during the Reagan days: here forth we witness the blossoming of the ‘normalization’ of public death chants on the streets of Orange County. I bet you a hundred bucks these bigots didn’t even realize that most of the well- attired and modest moslems attending the function were Pakistani or Indian and not Arab (yes you can tell from their features/skin color and especially from their dress).

    Frankly Mr. Shankly, I see no difference between this grotesque video and Galliano’s disgusting anti-semitic video rant currently circulating. Except of course Galliano is facing six months in prison if he is found guilty of the charges, while our Orange-County-Housewives-For-Hate clubsters are left alone to roam the streets by night and ‘legally’ terrorize a minority citizenship because of their color and their religious belief.

    Geezwiz like the post-racial Obama era is about the white man changing a black pinata to a moslem one?

    • Chu says:

      Geez, I can say I never been to that side of California. Title should have read ‘Fueled by meth and xenophobia hatred these angry housewifes bolster hate rally.’

      Cause nothing brings a community closer than hatred of the unknown.

    • MRW says:

      I see no difference between this grotesque video and Galliano’s disgusting anti-semitic video rant currently circulating.

      There’s a difference, Taxi. Big difference. Galliano was dead-ass drunk, was an equal opportunity insulter (said the same about Asians and other groups, but that was cut out of the clip) and went on for 4-5 minutes in a bar. He was not appearing with Congressmen at a rally with a Third Reich flag mixed in with French flags behind him. He is not in a position to affect public policy.

      Natalie Portman called the Galliano video “disgusting.” Has she weighed in on this yet?

      • Taxi says:

        Natalie Portman: hand-picked and reared by Alan Dershowitz.
        link to wakeupfromyourslumber.com

      • Citizen says:

        No, but she weighed in on Sheen’s anti-semitism; after all, he did call the show’s producer by his real last name!

      • marc b. says:

        that would be the same natalie portman who defended roman polanski who had drugged and sodomized a teenaged girl. brilliant.

        • Taxi says:

          Natalie Portman (real name Natalie Hershlag) is a sworn and active propagandist on behalf of her country israel.

        • CK MacLeod says:

          Here’s some of Natalie Portman’s “propaganda”:

          Once during an interview, she offered a metaphor for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the David Hare play “Via Dolorosa.” It’s about a man who jumps out of a burning building and lands on a passerby, breaking the passerby’s leg. The passerby says, “You broke my leg,” and the man breaks his other leg to shut him up.

          link to imdb.com

          So, what Palestinian solidarity requires is viciously denouncing the brilliant, beautiful, and world-famous Oscar-winning mom-to-be who said the above (and, schockingly, changed her last name to something prettier than Hershlag), while ignoring the Nazis in your own ranks, and pretending that you still have standing to criticize those OC cretins?

          I guess being down 63-17 to the Zionists in opinion polls isn’t bad enough. You won’t be satisfied until you’ve reached single digits.

        • fuster says:

          single digits and beyond!!!! crashing right on onto less than zero!!!

          this taxi don’t brake for nothing!!

        • annie says:

          lol, holy bejeezres!

        • Taxi says:

          Which part of “she’s been educated by Dershowitz” did you not understand? Did you actually read the link? Like you know she was one of his ‘researchers’ on that horrible racist book of his: The Case for blah blah blah.

          Ya think we shoulda applauded all those fabulous but racist German actresses too back in the day?

          You think zionism is popular ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD except ONLY here in the USIsrael?

          Until Natalie Hershlag (Portman) acknowledges and repents the crimes that have been committed in her name as a Jew, until she shows some genuine remorse for the horrors that zionists have inflicted, she is just another vicious genocidal Israel-born zionist Euro-Jewish racist, who continues to benefit from the plunder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide of the native population of Palestine.

          It won’t kill her to show some spine: Phil and Adam are still around and kicking!!

        • Taxi says:

          This taxi runs over racist killers.

        • annie says:

          she is just another vicious genocidal Israel-born zionist Euro-Jewish racist,

          seriously taxi, do you really think it is realistic to hold her this responsible for what’s going on in israel? is it the responsibility of every jewish movie star to be walking billboards for israeli politics? do you think perhaps you’re holding her more responsible because of her success? like the coen bros? i don’t want to get in an argument about it but i will say i don’t hold all jews or all israelis equally responsible for what’s going on there. it’s not like that actress from the sopranos who wanted to strap on an uzi and join the idf.

          whatever. i think calling her genocidal is over the top.

        • Shingo says:

          Which part of “she’s been educated by Dershowitz” did you not understand

          What amazes me is how anyone woudl allow their political oppinions to be set in stone by their education? I cannot imagine allowing any of my lectureres at university to indocrinate me to that extent. If anything, whenever I heard such opinions, my instinct was always to question it, and investigate it further.

        • Taxi says:

          It’s like this annie: every adult jewish person has the (UN-SHIFTABLE) RESPONSIBILITY to speak up against the horrors of the Nakba: because it was done in THEIR NAME.

          Those who don’t speak up against this atrocity, especially having just experienced or educated themselves in the horrors of the holocaust, are the very cause of the CONTINUING problems and tragedies that millions of people in the mideast are suffering from. They block progress.

          I view this vast collective silence as a diabolical ‘silent’ weapon that’s in constant deployment. It makes no difference to me whether silent zionists are famous or not – I hold them all equally culpable and responsible for continuing Palestinian suffering.

          The Nakba was phase one of the zionists’ genocidal plan for Palestinians. Jewish people who refuse to acknowledge this and speak up against it deserve the bitter contempt and humiliation that we rightly hurl at holocaust deniers.

          Awards and accolades don’t impress me if the receiver’s a racist and a beneficiary of other people’s suffering.

          It maddens me to the bone that zionists’ memory begins in 1967 and NOT in 1948. Yeah well some of us will NEVER FORGET 1948.

          What can I say? Some forty years of following this conflict, plus hundreds of conversations about the I/p conflict I’ve had with a vast array of jewish people, I can now honestly say that I only respect jewish people who’re honest and true to themselves to have recognized and acknowledged the facts of the Palestinian Nakba of 1948.

          Let’s just say I don’t dig Nakba deniers, annie, and there seems to be a heck of lotta ‘em walking around and branding themselves successfully as the ‘good’ guys/gals – hence my unapologetic charges at Natalie Portman and the Coen Brothers.

          There’s people dying every day: it’s not jewish people’s prerogative to remain silent, it’s their DUTY to speak up.

          Silence is comfortable cowardice.

        • Mike Huckabee is criticizing Natalie Portman. Me thinks if Huck’s peops knew that POrtman worked for Dersh in his Israel book that Huck would have not directed his criticism to this zionist sweetheart.

          Looking forward to see how this plays out for Huck and what the Dersh says.

        • Taxi says:

          Everything Huck does is from planet bizzaro. Buncha weirdos.

          Oh yeah and no class.

        • sherbrsi says:

          How does that comparison redeem her stand and involvement in Dershowitz’s Hasbara bible?

          She has categorically denied Israeli apartheid or discrimination towards Palestinians and Arabs. If your point was to establish her as some sympathizer with Palestinian solidarity or cause, you are greatly mistaken. Like most self-styled “liberal” Zionists, she only pays lipservice to such issues.

        • CK MacLeod says:

          How does that comparison redeem her stand and involvement in Dershowitz’s Hasbara bible?

          Nearly 10 years ago, as an undergraduate, just around 20 years old, Natalie Portman acted as a research assistant on a book in which one of her professors defended the land of her birth. Also when an undergraduate, she argued in a letter to her school newspaper that a description in a publichsed opinion piece of Israel’s policy as “racial apartheid” was inaccurate, since, as she wrote, Israeli and Palestinian communities were neither ethnically uniform nor wholly inter-distinguishable.

          For those two felonies, sherbrsi and Taxi are content to declare her a thought criminal in need of their forgiveness. They apparently consider themselves competent to set themselves up as every Jew’s judge, but how do we know they’re qualified for that role? Or whether, perhaps, by application to them of their own doctrine of collective responsibility and the related and inevitable tactics of guilt by association, we might determine that they’re the ones who should be spending their time and energy begging forgiveness for the crimes of their countries, peoples, races, political movements, parents, former professors, or fellow blog commenters?

          Someone interested actually in achieving justice and an authentic rather than perfectly imaginary improvement in the lives of the Palestinians and others affected by their struggle, rather than just in venting his spleen and posing as morally superior, might see in the likes of Portman a potential ally. The alternative approach, so common on this site, of denouncing anyone who diverges from some imaginary but never stated party line is a political pathology that deforms the accusers, and brands them, however strong their negative case against Zionism, as unfit to take responsibility – in short, no better than what they’re attacking, the only difference being that they happen to lack the power to put their bad ideas into practice. (Any lover of freedom cringes at the idea of a Taxi or sherbrsi type – much less a Pathological God – with police or military power.)

          No ideology is ever defeated by an equivalent counter-ideology. Ideological anti-Zionism sustains and feeds ideological Zionism, while realizing the same racial-collective premises in alternative form. Colloquially expressed: “You become what you hate.”

        • Taxi says:

          “Any lover of freedom cringes at the idea of a Taxi or sherbrsi type – much less a Pathological God – with police or military power.”

          The facts are, mr convoluted with presumptions, neither me, sherbrsi or Pathological God have the slightest desire in wearing jackboots on someone else land, whilst you and your inglorious occupying thugs are ACTUALLY a police and military power abusing MILLIONS of “freedom loving” Palestinians. Dude you are unhinged with your contempt for goy rights: your tone is opaquely nasty.

          I consider you a vain-vain man to think that just because you’re jewish, only jews are allowed to judge you. Heck you commit a crime and I find out about it, I’m gonna be calling ya a murderer even if you’re a effing president of the United States of America!

          You don’t live on your own jewish planet buster – so like DEAL!

          Or lump it.

        • CK MacLeod says:

          I consider you a vain-vain man to think that just because you’re jewish, only jews are allowed to judge you.

          No, Jews don’t get to judge me either (least of all because, according to determinations I had nothing to do with and don’t acknowledge, I’m Jewish by my mother. That’s for ideologues and counter-ideologues. In my understanding of Judaism – and of monotheism generally – judgment belongs to God the Eternal. In my understanding of being an American, I’m further qualified to tell you and them to mind your own business. Period.

          You show that you think according to collective guilt and punishment under rules that don’t apply to you except where they arbitrarily place you above those you presume to judge – just like every other oppressor or would-be oppressor in recorded history.

          First you put on the ideological jackboots, the real ones always follow at opportunity.

        • Taxi says:

          You’re an idiot, you know that? If you don’t want to be judged by anyone, what the heck you doing posting on Mondowiess?!

          We supposed to just passively go along with your unhinged view of the world?

          Get a life you inconsequential speck on the horizon.

        • MHughes976 says:

          Well, I think we are all qualified to judge each other’s arguments. There are some propositions I deny and consider completely mistaken. I think you agreed, CK, with the definition of Zionism that I use – the proposition that all Jewish people and only they have a right to a share in the sovereignty of the Holy Land, others only by grace and generosity of the true heirs. I think this proposition mistaken at every point, and since it is very influential I think I have a duty to say what I think, at least in some contexts. I try to avoid shouting matches. I am aware that there may well be Zionists with whom I might enjoy sharing a beer or a cup of tea, anti-Zionists with whom the tea might be a bit bitter: though I’m proud to be on the same side as most Mondo contributors.
          There are atheists whose company I enjoy, fellow members of the Church of England who give me a bit of a pain. But that’s not really the point – there are disputes and I take sides in them. It’s not clear to me how I could make an alliance with Natalie Portman (sorry for the sound of ludicrous self-importance in that phrase) since she just seems to be on the other side: what I deny she (I understand) asserts.

        • Avi says:

          MHughes976,

          What’s ludicrous is that you think Portman, or any celebrity, is more important than you. Actors read lines that were written for them. That’s all. That doesn’t make them more insightful or smarter than you. I have yet to hear any celebrity genuinely say anything so profound that it trumps your comments. Seriously.

        • CK MacLeod says:

          It’s not clear to me how I could make an alliance with Natalie Portman (sorry for the sound of ludicrous self-importance in that phrase) since she just seems to be on the other side: what I deny she (I understand) asserts.

          Consider the Hare analogy (comment 63) that she adopted as her own. It indicts the Zionists twice, first for injuring the Palestinians in order to save themselves, then for compounding the injury cruelly and unjustly.

          I agreed with your definition of Zionism, but it remains a merely practical, and ultimately self-contradictory definition that also comes into conflict with the universal humanism that liberals like Portman, and most Israelis and Americans for that matter, also espouse. Those with “eyes to see” observe this conflict playing out every day, as it over time increases Israel’s isolation and undermines its ideological integrity.

          A morally self-consistent, ideal Zionism would be the strongest “anti-Zionism” of them all. Approaching that ideal at whatever expense to the Zionism we know is a moral commandment that a Portman-liberal is already inclined to accept. What neither she nor any human being will or should be expected to accept, however, is submission to those who demonstrate – loudly, again and again, in every convenient forum and by whatever means available – that they are motivated by annihilating prejudice, hatred, revenge, and will to power, rather than by justice and will to peace.

          If, as President Obama likes to say, the arc of history bends toward justice, who cares what those doing the bending call themselves, or how they explain it to themselves? Since so many here like to compare the Israeli predicament to apartheid South Africa, consider that the whites who gave up power there didn’t do so under a death sentence, or under a requirement that they denounce their origins or vacate the land. Should they have been required to do so? Would that have made for a better resolution?

        • Donald says:

          “Consider the Hare analogy (comment 63) that she adopted as her own. ”

          Yeah, that was a good analogy and sounds very critical of Israel. I don’t know what her exact position is, but it doesn’t seem consistent with anything Dershowitz would say.

          Not that it matters much what Natalie Portman thinks (or what I think of Portman), but supposing it did matter, I’d have to wait for more information before I’d criticize her.

        • fuster says:

          MacLeod,
          two donkeys go into a bar in LA. they find a couple of stools, tell the barkeep they each want a pitcher of beer. they guzzle the pitchers, order another couple, look around the place.
          there’s a little Australian actor at a table alone except for a mostly full glass of whiskey and a mostly empty bottle of the same. he’s ranting into a cellphone about some beaver that’s reading his mind and set to betray him.

          someone looks like Charlie Sheen is on the floor near the par, mostly passed out but muttering that he hates Mike’s fruity underwear and every fuzzy overgrown something sounds like ape or maybe Abe, not clear what he’s saying cause he’s muttering into an enormous pile of vomit and sawdust.

          what. ever.

          the donkeys drink down their second pitchers, start on thirds. one of them stands up, tells the other his gotta let some of the beer out. he walks over to the guy looks like Charlie and starts to urinate on the guy, who smiles, rolls on his back and opens his mouth.
          the bartender turns red, yells at the donkey that he can’t piss in the damn bar, but the donkey goes right on with it until the bar bat thwacks the animal unconscious and he he collapses on top the now well-moistened guy in the vomit pile.
          the other donkey looks at the mess on the floor and the barkeep holding the bat and drains the last of the beer and announces that he’s going to find a better place to empty his bladder and ambles out to the street.
          donkey hails a cab coming up the street, but the cab thinks the donkey looks too kosher and and doesn’t slow down until the animal steps into the middle of the street.
          the pig driving the rig stops, the donkey gets into the back seat, next to a couple of jerrycans full of gasoline and several large, ripped sacks of fertilizer.
          the pig, who’s nervous, sweating and has a patch over his left eye turns and asks who the donkeys thinks he is and where he’s going.
          the donkey sees that there are more ripped sacks and piles of fertilizer in the front seat all around the pig. instead of talking, he sighs and lets out a long, long stream of recycled beer all over the seats, the sacks, and every bit of the dashboard and pig.
          then, he says I think that I’m an ordinary donkey and I’m going to get out here because there’s nothing else to do with a taxi that’s completely full of fertilizer that I haven’t already done.

        • Shingo says:

          No ideology is ever defeated by an equivalent counter-ideology.

          That’s very Zen of you, but fails the first step of basic logic. War does not feed off anti war setiments.

          Ideological anti-Zionism sustains and feeds ideological Zionism, while realizing the same racial-collective premises in alternative form.

          Interesting idea, but also usupported by evidence. Zionism, like most forms of empire, relies on identifying enemies, even when none exist as well and sustaining a believe in provenance. Zionism exibits the same Hobbesian mentality, ie. commiting suicide for fear of death.

          As well as feeding off persecution (or a belief in it’s existence) Zionism has also thrived when it has been indulged (as we have seen during the Bush Administration).

        • CK MacLeod says:

          That’s very Zen of you, but fails the first step of basic logic. War does not feed off anti war setiments.

          If I had more time, I’d be briefer. Please forgive me for answering at length.

          “War” is not an ideology. Nor is “anti-war sentiments.” Various species of militarism and pacifism (more often in the form of bellicose and pacific tendencies, since pure militarism and pure pacifism don’t really exist) have however fed off of each other, often alternating, the temporary rise of one virtually summoning forth the other.

          Typically, counter-posed ideologies adopt each other’s characteristics, all the more so when brought into actual conflict, war being a, if not the, supremely imitative activity. If you insist on seeing whatever conflict through ideologically conditioned prejudices, you will likely be blinded to or tend to minimize the degree to which this has become true for yourself: Human nature.

          The top post refers to some typical examples of the process. The Islamophobes imagine themselves to be the worst enemies of the Islamists, when any rational observer of the world understands that the exact opposite is true. Nothing could help the radical Islamists more than the perception of American Islamophobia (Crusaderism). Even better (up to a point) for the Islamist ideology, if not by any material measure for most living Muslims, would be an all-out war along clash-of-civilizations lines. That this would also serve the Islamophobes themselves, but not the peopls of the West, further illustrates the symmetry between the two sides. I could go on on this one, but you can probably trace the further symmetries and self-contradictions (what the Islamophobes do for “freedom,” what the RI’s do for “Islam”) for yourself.

          As for Zionism and anti-Zionism, you ask for evidence. I refer you to the above comment-thread discussion. I suspect also that you already actually understand exactly what I mean, since your brief comments already point to the pretextual usage of anti-Zionism in Zionist propaganda. One of the political mainstays of Zionism has been the belief that Israel is under siege by implacable enemies who aim for nothing less than the physical destruction of the country and its inhabitants. The Zionists are still dining out today on promises uttered a generation or two ago to drive the Jews into the sea. Bloody-minded statements from the Iranian axis and from Al Qaeda and other extremists have regularly replenished the expense account.

          The mere existence of extreme anti-Zionism, frequently overlapping with anti-semitism, may not be enough on its own to sustain and protect Zionism from its own contradictions, but it’s more a help to the Israeli and American right than a hindrance.

          Your argument as to “empire” and “Hobbes” isn’t clear to me: I don’t see how it contradicts the thesis. You appear to concede that Zionism thrives off of perceptions of persecution, and your only counterevidence is in the notion that it thrived during the period it was “indulged” by the Bush Administration. I suspect you’re actually well aware that there was a bit more going on in the region and the world at the time. Either way, it would be absurd to suggest that aiding and encouraging Zionists would be directly harmful to them. There’s nothing about my thesis that should lead to such an expectation. At the same time, the “indulgence” was in part symptomatic of Israel’s success playing the “besieged ally in the war on terror” role, which is substantially in line with what I’m suggesting, though I was originally referring to conceptual evolutionary processes over time rather than to discrete political events.

        • Shingo says:

          Typically, counter-posed ideologies adopt each other’s characteristics, all the more so when brought into actual conflict, war being a, if not the, supremely imitative activity.

          That’s true to some extent, but largely because the idea of war as a means to an end has been corrupted in our language, and exploited to mean just about anything For example, war for peace, the war on terror, the war on drugs, the war on poverty (all of which have been failures BTW), have been sold as legitimate ways to deal with problems.

          The Zionists are still dining out today on promises uttered a generation or two ago to drive the Jews into the sea. Bloody-minded statements from the Iranian axis and from Al Qaeda and other extremists have regularly replenished the expense account.

          Except that Zionism doesn’t rely on this belief to harden it’s position. Time Magazine recently ran an article questioning if Israel was even interested in peace, because of the absence of such threats. Has security and prosperity therefore softened Zionism or reinforced it?

          The mere existence of extreme anti-Zionism, frequently overlapping with anti-semitism, may not be enough on its own to sustain and protect Zionism from its own contradictions, but it’s more a help to the Israeli and American right than a hindrance.

          That I can agree with, but by their very nature, Zionists and the American right never sleep when it comes to identifying enemies and pursuing their non stop quest for the next Hitler.

          You appear to concede that Zionism thrives off of perceptions of persecution, and your only counterevidence is in the notion that it thrived during the period it was “indulged” by the Bush Administration.

          The point is that Zionism has thrived (or rather, it becomes more extreme) whether during perceptions of persecution or overwhelming support. Those setting the pro Zionist narrative are constantly looking for ways to manipulate current events to rally their tribe. Thus, when Ahmadinejad opens his mouth, it’s 1939 all over again, and when Congress vote 400 – 10 in favour of some resolution favoring Israel, the most powerful country ion the world America is a thing that can be easily moved.
          Congress has never been more pro Zionist, yet in spite of that, Israel is more recalcitrant today than it has ever been. Can you seriously envision Netanyahu backing down on an issue the way Begin did with Carter over Lebanon?

          I suspect you’re actually well aware that there was a bit more going on in the region and the world at the time. Either way, it would be absurd to suggest that aiding and encouraging Zionists would be directly harmful to them.

          My point exactly, which is precisely why your these that anti-Zionism feeds Zionism doesn’t add up. Zionism is marching forward (albeit with fewer and fewer numbers) in spite of external issues like anti Zionism or prop Zionism. Of course, one could argue that this evolution has moved into a self destructive phase where Zionism is driven by an impeding sense of failure, and is behaving increasingly irrationally as a consequence.

          At the same time, the “indulgence” was in part symptomatic of Israel’s success playing the “besieged ally in the war on terror” role, which is substantially in line with what I’m suggesting, though I was originally referring to conceptual evolutionary processes over time rather than to discrete political events.

    • Kathleen says:

      The local Native American Indian community should counter-protest the mad-hatters’ hate fest and congregate in full regalia some twenty feet away and chant back at them EXACTLY the same slogans but LOUDER-LOUDER-LOUDER!!!

      Bingo

      Ever see that T shirt with Native Americans on the front with guns says something like “homeland security since 1492″ Clearly did not work.

  13. Chu says:

    What fun. Wish I could picket and say go back home with them. It must make you feel like a real townie to chant with such tone-deaf vigor. Even the mex-american joined in at min 4:58. But watch it mang, you could be next on this list you don’t yell louder than those women.

    When is CBS or some other noble(!) news organization going to take up SPLC’s claim that Pam Gellar’s group is a hate group? I mean, that could be good ratings – and in the end it’s all about profit. 60 minutes could inform us of the ins & outs of hatred that is sweeping the nation via Tea Party, Chabad or StIA.

    • Citizen says:

      Chu, if you go google YouTube there’s plenty of video clips of everyday blacks telling Mexicans illegals to go back home, so it’s not a really big jump to find them telling legal Muslim citizens to go back home. And how can Pam Gellar be a member of a hate group, after all she’s a Jewish American isn’t she? The PC word is that only whites can be called racists for opposing illegal immigration or proposing to change our anchor baby and chain migration law. The legal Mexicans can propose taking back all the land once governed by Spain, and that’s perfectly acceptable too. Looks like at last real white bigots can proclaim mean stuff that’s somewhat acceptable because it’s only directed at Muslims, especially when directed at Arabs–why even our elected leaders are jumping on that bigoted bandwagon. Gee, I wonder why it’s ok to be intolerant against Muslims, and especially when they are Arabs. Anyway, not to worry, by 2042 whites will be just another minority in the USA (the estimated date has been moved up due to
      escalating current trends). By that time, the American whites can immigrate for better pickings elsewhere, and the same for the European whites–then the black and browns and yellows and anti-Christians can protest their country’s too liberal immigration and security laws, yes? Maybe they will try to immigrate to Japan? Oops, that’s not a good idea. How about to Antartica–that’s still spanky white.

      • Chu says:

        Citizen, Muslims are fair game for hate fests, and the news will turn their heads for this. Are these protesters afraid that Sharia will overtake US laws? Are they sincerely worried about that?

        Bout a year ago this young impressionable filmmaker stabbed a nyc taxi driver in the neck after he had few drinks. He demanded to know if he was Muslim. All that incitement was stirred from the news (and I think the mosque issue at ground zero). Pam Gellar was stoking the flames then, what’s different about this instance?
        Bigots like her get a free pass, it’s true. But if it was David Duke, of course his coverage would be amplified.

        • Citizen says:

          Yep, Chu. And yep also–those protestors are deathly afraid that Sharia will overtake US laws–I exchange emails with some of them–it’s an obsession with them–they will ferret out any bit of news claiming some Arab American person’s misdeed or quote and use it to jump- start intense battery fear of Islamofacism. They don’t especially care much for Jews, but are totally ignorant of how Israel Firsters are enmeshed in every crack and crevice of US power stations.

  14. Caner Dagli says:

    They are not all American flags in the background of those speakers.

    • Citizen says:

      What are they–the video clip kept stopping on me.

    • Surcouf says:

      You’re right!
      I didn’t notice when I first watched it, but then on a second viewing I could clearly see a flag with a blue band on its lower half. Now which country has a blue band on it? Help me out here!

        • fuster says:

          more on and from David Yerushalemi

          ””America is a unique people bound together through a commitment to America’s Judeo-Christian moral foundation and to an enduring faith and trust in G-d and in His Providence… America was the handiwork of faithful Christians, mostly men, and almost entirely white, who ventured from Europe to create a nation in their image of a country existing as free men under G-d. The founding fathers understood that party-led parliaments and democracy were the worse form of government and sought to resist the movement that was soon to find fertile ground in France with the French Revolution…”””

          link to wonkroom.thinkprogress.org

        • MRW says:

          The founding fathers understood that party-led parliaments and democracy were the worse form of government and sought to resist the movement that was soon to find fertile ground in France with the French Revolution

          Thank god they had the Internet back then to know what was happening contemporaneously in France.
          Bill of Rights 1791
          Constitution 1787
          French Revolution 1789

          Jefferson in Paris 1785-1789
          France becomes a Republic 1789

        • Citizen says:

          The founders of America spelled God as God, not G-d. And they had no problem with producing images of him (their own).

    • Chaos4700 says:

      Never you mind that flag on the fifth column to the right.

  15. that last scene reminds me of junior high getting on the bus and cringing at the slurs of the loser, Derek Sloan, in the back who was hurling racist comments. nice.

    people never forget how others make them feel. we may forget your exact words, but we never forget how you made us feel.

  16. Theo says:

    Now friends, close your eyes and imagene:

    Those families with small children walking to the hall wear kippas,
    the shouting mob has brown shirts an, the flags are decorated with
    swastikas and the speakers wear nazi uniforms.

    Now open your eyes and be deeply ashamed for our country, we walk
    the same path the germans did around 1934, before the deportations and the killings started.

    • Chu says:

      you got it right.

      It’s sad that these people yell sharia law at them.
      They don’t have a clue.

      • Citizen says:

        And communism actually was a real threat to Weimar Germany–in the back streets of Germany it was the reds who clashed with the brown shirts, and with equal fervor, as glimpsed in the movie Cabaret.

  17. annie says:

    someone should send this ‘we surround them’ group some tall white pointed hats.

  18. annie says:

    where’s the justice department? the fbi? do we have files on these people or do we wait til we start seeing strange fruit hanging from our trees?

    • fuster says:

      California may not have one.

      The US government doesn’t usually consider picketing to be a crime.

      see Westboro.

        • fuster says:

          much better idea, annie.

          use free speech to challenge hate speech.

        • indeed, fuster.

          In 2005, Deborah Lipstadt was to appear on C Span to discuss her book, about her successful court case involving David Irving. C Span invited Irving to appear as well. Lipstadt objected strenuously, that Irving had no right to speak. When C Span stuck to its guns, defending free speech just as the US Supreme Court upheld the right of free speech in the Phelps Westboro Baptist case yesterday, Lipstadt went apeshit and pulled the kinds of strings that someone like Lipstadt can pull — featured articles in the NYT, petitions signed by 200 historians from universities throughout the US, and her own very public whineathon. Lipstadt withdrew from her appearance on C Span.

          That was a very public demonstration of the ability of the Israel lobby to inject major media with the virus of Antisemiphobia©.

          How is it that a congressman, a city councilwoman, and a crowd of fine, white men, women, and children (you didn’t see any black faces in that crowd, did you? black hearts, yes; black faces, no) can exercise their ‘free speech’ rights to spew hate, but an intelligent, thoughtful researcher like David Irving — and legions like him– are shut out of discussing evidence about historical events that is contrary to the received narrative?

          Until the antidote to the virus of Antisemiphobia© is available to EVERY American and, in view of Abe Foxman’s worldwide efforts to impose holocaust propaganda in every school — in every person in the world, then ‘free speech’ is a cruel jest.

        • hophmi says:

          “but an intelligent, thoughtful researcher like David Irving”

          Yet another frequent antisemite commenter here.

          David Irving is a Holocaust denier. There’s no reason for Deborah Lipstadt to participate in a debate with a discredited Holocaust denier like David Irving. And your characterization of Holocaust education programs as “propaganda” shows that you are apparently in David Irving’s corner.

          From the comments policy:

          “1. No racist or sexist comments. This includes anti-Arab, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic comments (and yes, Christian-bashing too). This includes comments that disparage, intimidate or attack a person based on perceived ethnicity or gender.

        • fuster says:

          hophmi, the Psycho is too f’ked-up to even notice the world, hardly likely to understand much about rules.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          There’s no reason for Deborah Lipstadt to participate in a debate with a discredited Holocaust denier like David Irving.

          If she wrote a book dealing with him and is speaking about that book, I’d say there was excellent reason to expect her to engage him directly.

        • David Irving is a holocaust denier — you say.
          I disagree.

          I believe Deborah Lipstadt used hateful tactics to silence free speech, rather than use free speech in an open forum to challenge speech to which she objected.

          Israel denies the Goldstone report.

          which one relies on facts?
          which one inflicts more harm?

        • annie says:

          actually pots i just googled irving and apparently he already sued her for libel in court and lost. under those circumstances i can understand her not wanting to further the debate. i don’t know the particulars of the case but ‘move on’ might be her MO.

        • Donald says:

          You can find a link to the verdict of the British court that concluded Irving was a Holocaust denier here–

          link

          I read a small portion of it and it sounds to me like Irving was a Holocaust denier. Here is a portion–

          ” Even so, it appears to me to be incontrovertible that Irving qualifies as a Holocaust denier. Not only has he denied the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz and asserted that no Jew was gassed there, he has done so on frequent occasions and sometimes in the most offensive terms. By way of examples, I cite his story of the Jew climbing into a mobile telephone box-cum-gas chamber; his claim that more people died in the back of Kennedy’s car at Chappaquiddick than died in the gas chambers at Auschwitz; his dismissal of the eye-witnesses en masse as liars or as suffering from a mental problem; his reference to an Association of Auschwitz Survivors and Other Liars or “ASSHOLS” and the question he asked of Mrs Altman how much money she had made from her tattoo. I reject as being untrue the claim made by Irving in his evidence that in his denial of the existence of any gas chambers at Auschwitz, he was referring solely to the gas chamber constructed by the Poles after the war for the benefit of visitors to the site or, as Irving put it, as a “tourist attraction”. In this connection I refer to paragraph 9.13 above. Even if Irving had referred to gas chamber in the singular, it would not have been apparent that he was speaking of the reconstructed gas chamber at the camp.

          13.96 Irving has also made broader claims which tend to minimise the Holocaust. For example he has claimed that the Jews in the East were shot by individual gangsters and criminals and that there was no direction or policy in place for mass extermination to be carried out. I do, however, accept that Irving expressed himself in more measured language on this topic than in the case of the gas chambers. But he has also minimised the number of those killed by means other than gas at Auschwitz and elsewhere. Having grossly underestimated the number who lost their lives in the camps, Irving is prone to claim that a greater number than that were killed in Allied bombing raids on Dresden and elsewhere. He has, moreover, repeatedly claimed that the British Psychological War Executive ingeniously invented the lie that the Nazis were killing Jews in gas chambers in order to use it as propaganda.”

        • annie, facts are important.

          the book that was to be discussed was ABOUT THE CASE (history on trial) She wrote the book AFTER the trial, about the trial. In Lipstadt’s view, only her version of facts is permitted a hearing. That seems to fly in the face of what free speech is all about — even, and ESPECIALLY when the topic is holocaust.

          link to query.nytimes.com

        • annie says:

          his claim that more people died in the back of Kennedy’s car at Chappaquiddick than died in the gas chambers at Auschwitz

          oh my. that’s about all i have to read. it’s hard to imagine irving actually claimed that. weird. i thought he was previously a respected historian. how did he keep delusions like that undercover long enough to ever get anywhere? mindboggling.

        • hophmi says:

          “David Irving is a holocaust denier — you say.
          I disagree.”

          That’s OK. No one really cares that you disagree.

    • seafoid says:

      They are persecuting Bradley Manning.

    • Citizen says:

      The Justice Department is busy keeping AIPAC’s treason under wraps.
      Remember Harmon’s trade, you help me protect the AIPACers & I will “waddle in” and defend your Bush Gestapo? BTW, how’s that one AIPACer doing, the one who threatens to expose AIPAC if they don’t defend him?

      • Kathleen says:

        She got away with it. The investigation into Harman’s activities allegedly shut down. What investigation will she interfere with next in her new position?

  19. CK MacLeod says:

    This kind of seething lunacy is hard to take, but in all likelihood it’s also a political gift to the left, along the lines of Sarah Palin, that tends to undermine the American right more than it helps. That’s something that relatively mainstream conservatives – the same ones who calculated last year that Islamophobia should be exploited rather than contained – are well aware of. That doesn’t make it objectively a good thing, because under certain circumstances it could still be dangerous, even extremely dangerous, and in the meantime quite harmful to individuals. In the coming years, however, being the “Stupid Warlike White People” party/movement may not serve Republicans/conservatives very well. The worst aspect of this kind of thing may be that it makes things too easy for Democrats in places like California and nationally.

    • annie says:

      The worst aspect of this kind of thing may be that it makes things too easy for Democrats in places like California and nationally.

      what. ever.

      • CK MacLeod says:

        was just trying to help morale, annie! If you knew me better, you’d know I’ve fought in the internet trenches against people like that and have got the virtual scars to prove it.

        • annie says:

          ok ck. i think you were closer on the mark here:

          quite harmful to individuals.

          i think hurtful is the word we are looking for. very much so, very damaging to individuals trying to just live their lives in peace.

    • Kathleen says:

      ” along the lines of Sarah Palin, that tends to undermine the American right more than it helps. ”

      Those people probably all go to church on Sunday or Synagogue too.

      I am so sick and tired of these types of hypcrites like Palin, Scarborough, Boehner, Huckabee who parade behind their alleged religions while they stand against health care for all, equity in education, living wages.

      If they want to be bigots selfish greedy individuals well so be it. Just don’t try to hide behind some religion all ready. So disgusting

    • VR says:

      I do not think the “Tea Party” genre is going away Mr. MacLeod, and that is due to the fact that it is funded by billionaires who want to preserve “they’re” way of life. So they have an army of useful idiots that have not only grabbed a national stage, they are heavily or should I say dutifully covered by the MSM. Never have so many stupid people gathered against their own self interest, and that is because it feeds all of their false premises that is planted by propaganda and years of subliminal and overt racism.

      DUMB ASSES

      Second, I find it terribly suspect that there would be a bogus “war on terror” fed into a gullible and prejudicially primed American public and then step back and say – “what a shame that people are acting this way,” that is the common government line. Nothing buys the type of coverage that this “Tea Party” gets more than billionaire stench -

      COVERT OPERATIONS

      The MSM fawns all over billionaire brew, the suck-ups never end, after all that is what this putrid system produces and serves. Than again, by not recognizing and pinpointing this mess here and merely screaming about the lobby, you can only look at amazement at what it produces with no ability to substantively address anything.

  20. fuster says:

    1. whatever

    December 29, 2010 Urban Word of the Day

    Used in an argument to admit that you are wrong without admitting it so the argument is over.
    Man, whatever.

    2. whatever

    Passive-aggressive behavior at its most eloquent.

    • Philip Weiss says:

      thanks. will employ often

    • annie says:

      fuster, if you care to argue the worst aspect from this kind of agressive racism may be a benefit for a political party be my guest. obviously i chose NOT to engage in debate over the matter.

      keep in mind tho, i watched that video and i saw those little children being screamed at….hence, the self defined ‘ trojan zionist’ CK may not see the final results of his predictions for years to come.

      • fuster says:

        annie, I’m willing to take quite a lot of crap, but I damn sure didn’t make that argument. THAT was someone else.
        (and you didn’t really understand what that other nutjob was saying.)

        (as well, you’re wrong about “self-confessed. it was the lameass Blankfort made that Trojan stuff up.

        • annie says:

          Used in an argument to admit that you are wrong

          admit that i am wrong about what? that ‘The worst aspect of this kind of thing may be that it makes things too easy for Democrats in places like California and nationally.’

          if that is not what you were implying you certainly have an illusive form of communication. trying putting more thought into your responses instead of continually shooting from the hip and digging little graves for yourself.

        • CK MacLeod says:

          No, you’re both half-wrong, and Jeffrey Blankfort just proved to himself on the great Trojan Zionist thread, using deductive logic and no obvious strawberries, that he must be right, because the people he disagrees with disagree with him.

          Let’s be clear tho he was accusing me of Achaean and wooden-equine rather than Trojan proclivities. (I contributed to the confusion.)

          I’m willing to take it as a compliment.

    • Kathleen says:

      or “let it be” “move on, don’t want to be about retribution, vengeance” horse crap. Avoid accountability at all cost while calling others out.

  21. fuster says:

    triple yawn.

    (for variety)

    • Taxi says:

      That’s right granddad Simpson: always crashing out with open mouth drooling at pertinent moments.

      • annie says:

        damn it you beat me too it taxi! i gotta get credit for scrolling back and forth for my copy/pastes and time stamps!

        heck, yours was more creative too.

        oh well.

    • annie says:

      fussy: March 3, 2011 at 1:28 pm you’re watching bigotry

      fussy: March 3, 2011 at 11:08 am The KKK was miles worse.

      fussy: March 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm triple yawn.

      at least you’re consistently hypocritical

      • fuster says:

        annie, poor frazzled fool,

        shouting nasty bigoted things

        is

        not

        like
        the

        KKK’s

        systematic

        use
        of
        murder
        and
        terror.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Seriously, you have to be the second most obnoxious troll I’ve ever encountered on this blog, fuster.

        • fuster says:

          get a mirror.

        • lyn117 says:

          shouting nasty bigoted things is not like the KKK’s systematic use of murder and terror.

          The congresswoman in the video bragged about her son the marine being happy to kill Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan, just because they’re Muslims.

          I guess I shouldn’t get into the Israeli settlers happily killing Palestinians because they’re not Jewish.

          I agree there’s a difference between them in the KKK. The KKK operated primarily in the U.S., against U.S. citizens. The demonstrators in the video are only encouraging violence and hatred against U.S. citizens.

        • annie says:

          great comment lyn. i thought along these lines myself but was too lazy to interject. the kkk didn’t have a huge superpower military empowering their bigotry. their sons might have slapped on uniforms as police officers and had a semi official outlet for their racism but that’s a far cry from joining the military and pulverizing whole villages.

    • seafoid says:

      That’s actually a t-shirt they sell at northern sun.

      link to northernsun.com

      Look at the Scott Walker tshirts.
      link to northernsun.com

    • yourstruly says:

      calling for muslems to be killed, even when prrotected by freedom of speech? In a violent armed society such as ours, isn’t such a call getting close to yelling fire in a closed auditorirum. Sarah Palin’s map with congresspersons she doesn’t like shown in the cross-haris of a gun sight. That too may have first amendment protection, but this doesn’t mean that such pictures aren’t an incitement to violence and mayhem.

      • fuster says:

        wishing and hoping and hoping and praying…….

        DAMN SURE isn’t the same as the KKKs decades of terror and murder, yourstruly.

        this is not difficult.

        people on this blog saying things about how they hope bad things will happen to Israel are NOT murdering Israelis.

        being a bigot is bad.
        being a murderer is ,,,,,badder, very badder, sheer badderism in action?

        • yourstruly says:

          are you speaking of the israeli commandos that murdered 13 humanitarians on the mavi marmara? Or the entire IDF for its slaughter of 1400 palestinians during operation lead. And inciting violence is more than hoping for it?

      • Kathleen says:

        This applies big time

        First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out —
        Because I was not a Socialist.

        Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out —
        Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

        Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out —
        Because I was not a Jew.

        Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me.

    • Kathleen says:

      Love that one.

  22. seafoid says:

    It will end with innocent Muslims being murdered .
    It really reminds me of Germany in the early 30s. The recession despair of the working and lower middle classes is manipulated by the rich and turned on members of a religious minority.

  23. Shingo says:

    This is disgusting and shameful, but pretty much typical of the demise and disintegration of the US.

    An amazing poll shows that more people are fearful of Islam in the US today than they were after 911.

  24. annie says:

    An amazing poll shows that more people are fearful of Islam in the US today than they were after 911.

    by design. lots of little thinker bees @ think tanks working for just that.

  25. shady says:

    Utterly discriminating & vile, I’m shocked!