Last month, Columbia Students for Justice in Palestine (C-SJP) sponsored Israeli Apartheid Week. In response, Hillel groups organized a campaign entitled "Separating Fact From Apartheid." To achieve this end, Hillel employed racist tactics to present a convivial face to Israel’s military and colonial occupation of Palestinian land. Hillel’s tokenistic rhetoric manifested itself in the Faces of Israel project (initiated by the Consulate General of Israel in New York in 2008), when an Ethiopian Jew, a Palestinian Israeli and a gay Israeli were invited to our campus to present the “real face” of Israeli society.
This phenomenon is, of course, familiar to American history. During segregation, the US government sent Black artists on international tours in a PR campaign to blur the harsh reality of Jim Crow and create an illusion of American inclusiveness and multiplicity. Today, think of any instance you’ve heard a peer attempt to downplay a racist statement by retorting: “I have a Black friend.” In the simplest terms, Hillel was importing its various “Black friends” in order to hide the reality of Israeli apartheid and its Jim Crow-like legislations.
To illustrate Israel’s “diversity,” Hillel set up a display of large poster boards of Israel’s token successful minorities.The first board featured Rana Raslan, who in 1999 became the first Arab to win a Miss Israel contest. Three years later, Raslan was quoted as saying "Till today, I am treated like trash at the airport. I haven't visited Israel for three months because of what I had gone through during security checks. I was asked questions in a vulgar manner, held for hours. They also searched me; I have no problem being treated like any other civilian, but there is a way to do so, with delicacy."
Another poster featured Salim Joubran, a lawyer born in Haifa, who was elected in 2004 to become the first Arab to hold a permanent appointment as a Supreme Court Justice. In a piece published in the Spectator by LionPAC’s director of public relations, Huberman claimed that having a Palestinian-Israeli on Israel’s Supreme Court is evidence that Israel is “a democratic, multi-ethnic country that upholds equal rights for all of its citizens.”4 Huberman believes that the appointment of the first and only permanent Palestinian Israeli judge to Israel’s Supreme Court, 5 in its 56 years of existence, is evidence of its “equal rights” and “democratic” nature. According to Sikkuy's data, at the end of 2008 only 42 of 589 judges in Israel were Arabs - 7 percent of all the judges. A 2008 report about fair representation of the Arab population in the civil service, which was published by the Civil Service Commission in June of this year, indicates that of 3,763 employees in the courts administration only 119 are Arabs—3.16 percent of all employees. Palestinian citizens of Israel constitute nearly 20% of the overall population.
The use of tokenistic arguments to defend Israel’s violations is an outstanding feature in the rhetoric of Hillel members. In a recent article by Matthew Jacobs, he calls C-SJP’s reference to Israel as an apartheid state an “antiquated label.” In fact, the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the Occupied Territories stated that the Israeli government had done “little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens.” Continued land confiscation, home and village demolitions, institutionalized social, legal, and economic discrimination facing Palestinian citizens of Israel is an added face of Israel’s Apartheid system and occupation of Palestine.
Israel’s policies are an outdated form of colonialism. Fortunately, the international community is becoming more outspoken in its support for the indigenous Palestinian population. The international outrage caused by Israel’s attack on Gaza has garnered extensive global support for the Boycott Divestment and Sanctions movement. People are becoming more aware of the discrimination Palestinian inside Israel face, especially after the passing of two laws by the Israeli Knesset that target its Palestinian population: The Nakba Law and the Admission Committee Law. We call on Hillel groups to join us in spreading awareness and truth surrounding this issue rather than defending colonial occupation and apartheid.
Alaa Milbes is a student in Columbia University's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences in the department of Middle Eastern, South Asian, and African studies. Dina Zbeidy is a student in the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences in the department of anthropology. She is a Palestinian citizen of Israel. This article first appeared in the Columbia Spectator.
The Arab Israeli couldn’t attend, of course, because he was too busy protecting his family and their home furnishings after the Israeli government turned their property over to Jewish immigrants. Which is probably just as well because his visa application is still floating in second-class citizenship processing hell.
I thought we were supposed to call them Palestinian Israelis?
“I thought we were supposed to call them Palestinian Israelis?”
Remind me to put the Golden Rule into effect on you.
Response to “Israel Week” at the University of Illinois
David Green
This extemporaneous comment was posted by me to the Daily Illini website in response to the article “Israel week brings opportunity to learn about country, culture and food”:
link to dailyillini.com
But it is indeed about politics. It’s about sanitizing the image of a country that is built on land that was stolen and ethnically cleansed. It’s about a country that occupies, oppresses, continues to steal land, and murders in order to do so. It’s about a country that massacres children at will. “Israel week” cannot possibly be about anything but politics. The politics of apartheid, racism, and worse. And it’s about a secular politics with a component of religious fanaticism to do its dirty work in the settlements and outposts. And it’s about the politics of U.S. hegemony in the Middle East and our government’s support for Israeli oppression, and it’s about the top-down politics of Jewish institutions in this country that have to march in lockstep in support of Israeli atrocities, including Hillel, which has decided to exclude Jewish (Jewish Voice for Peace) students who are critical of Israel. And, not least, it’s about the sort of breathtaking cultural stupidity and insensitivity so innocently expressed here, that deals in camels and tents, as if the native Bedouin Arabs of Palestine with their camels and tents have not been forcefully and violently expelled from their land and their way of life by the Zionists, ongoing. “Israel week” is about stupidity, racism, ignorance, and worse–implicit justifications for violence and murder. It’s about the grossest form of European cultural superiority and disrespect that can be openly and publicly displayed on this “diverse” campus. What an embarrassment, and what a travesty, including (I hope) for most Jewish students. And by the way, this “traditional” food is of course Arab food, not Jewish food. It’s Jewish settler-colonialist food–like everything else in Israel, stolen from the Palestinians.
David Green
Are you a student there David?
No, I’m a social researcher with “academic professional” status. I’m 60.
Be careful, David. These guys will attempt to get you blacklisted if you give out too much of your personal info.
Mmmm, Dave, I don’t think those schnitzel sandwiches so popular in Tel Aviv came from Palestine. Otherwise, in the classic days of Saturday Night Live, they use to do skits ridiculing the bigots who use to put on
shows with token blacks and “rainbow” people as props to show the Old South no longer existed. Today, we have the TV show Glee.
David, we know all about hummus, pita, falafel and the shawarma being introduced as Israeli foods during Israel Week that you identified as stolen foods, but what the hell is an Israeli salad? My gut feeling tells me that the article must be talking about that other great Israeli invention, “tabouleh”.
And as to bringing a camel for the rides, whatever became of the Masbirim Israel PR campaign (along with the cherry tomato)that specifically called on all Israelis of good will to help distance the world from the myth that there are camels in Israel? These how-to instructions addressed to Israelis taken from the Masbirim site:
“… Israel in the World: Myth vs. Reality
“Israel is a desert and they all ride camels”; “Your women wear kaffiyehs”; “Israelis only eat falafel”… You’ve probably come across many myths and misconceptions about Israel and Israelis during your travels abroad, or in encounters with foreigners here in Israel. To help you become public diplomats, we’ve compiled for you the most prevalent myths that you’re liable to run into, along with the true facts, so that you can bring them up in conversation, and help change perceptions of Israel.
link to masbirim.gov.il
An “Israeli salad”, my dear Walid, is a salad made of finely chopped veggies (mostly tomato and cucumber, sometimes onion) dressed with olive oil, salt, lemon, parsley and/or mint. In Israel however, this is usually called a salat aravi! Tabouleh generally goes by the name tabouleh or … salat levanoni! But how would an “Israel Week” on campus sound, serving “Arab and Lebanese salads”? Might as well just call it “Palestine Week” and be done with it.
Thanks Shmuel; after the theft of hummus, falafel, pita and shawarma, probably none of which are Arab anyway, I started worrying about the tabouleh because that along with the kibbeh are most probably the only 2 authentic Lebanese foods. Nothing wrong with borrowing or adopting different foods from other countries but wrong is claiming that you invented them as Israel is doing.
Glad to put your mind to rest with regard to tabouleh, Walid. Kibbeh is generally called kubbeh in Israel (both fried and boiled varieties), and is generically identified as “mizrahi” or sometimes, more specifically, as Iraqi. Sorry.
Shmuel, looks like your Kubbe is Jewish, but it’s not the same as the Lebanese Kibbeh: from the Israeli cooking blog, Soul and Gone:
Le Cordon Jew: Kubbeh for Soup Kubbeh/קובה למרק/كبّ/Kubeh/Kube/Kubbe
Kubbeh: not to be confused with kibbeh, despite being a variation of the same word for a variation on the same thing. Like kibbeh, these are made from ground meat in a chiefly bulgur shell, but they hail from the northern regions of Iraq rather than Syria, and instead of deep frying, they’re treated to a simmer in broth, making them more dumpling than mezze. In Israel, the word “kubbeh” is applied indiscriminately to both the fried and simmered variety (in Arabic, pronunciation differences between dialects leads to the discrepancy in names for the same thing), but for the sake of clarity, I’m calling these Kurdish-style dumplings “kubbeh” and the fried and raw versions predominant in the Levant “kibbeh.”
Anyway. Kubbeh are a specialty of the Jews of Kurdistan, who once formed large percentages of the population of now-infamous cities like Mosul and Arbil before immigrating to Israel en masse along with the rest of the Iraqi Jewish population in the 1940s and 1950s. My old hood in Jerusalem, centered around the Machane Yehuda market, was heavily Kurdish, home to a Kurdish-Jewish community organization that never seemed open, and dozens of restaurants, social clubs and backgammon parlors that never seemed closed. Several of the restaurants (most notably, Mordoch) specialize in kubbeh-based soups, ranging from the crimson marak kubbeh adom to the sour, green hamousta. So between Jerusalem’s Little Kurdistan and the frozen sections of Israeli supermarkets, kubbeh were never far off.
link to soulandgone.com
finely chopped veggies (mostly tomato and cucumber, sometimes onion) dressed with olive oil, salt, lemon, parsley and/or mint
Which is classic Ukrainian.
Which is classic Ukrainian.
With Ukrainian olive oil?
Reminds me of a visit to a great aunt of mine (born and bred in the vicinity of Lemberg/Lvov/Lviv). She served stuffed vine leaves, and I made a sarcastic remark about the vines in Poland (her town was still in Poland when she departed for Palestine in the ’30s). She answered sharply that of course there were vines in southern Poland and some fine wines too. I doubted the fine wines part (Eva may feel free to chide me for my ignorance), but the vines sounded plausible.
Walid,
“Iraqi” in Israel, usually means Jewish-Iraqi, and I had Kurdish (Jewish-Kurdish) in mind, but the dish (I especially like the red soup kind!) is more widely Iraqi than Kurdish, and is very popular in Mizrahi cooking in general – although possibly adopted in Israel (a friend’s Egyptian-born mother used to make them every Friday). The fried variety is also extremely popular, and generally associated with Jewish-Mizrahi, rather than Lebanese cuisine. The raw version is not very well-known among Israeli Jews (probably for religious or religiously-inspired reasons).
3.3% of American judges are black while blacks are 14% of the population.
Does that mean the US is an apartheid country?
link to usf.usfca.edu
Only Israel is judged with different standards than you even apply to yourself!!!
eee, you keep getting mixed up about who are your enemies; the Arabs are your enemies and the Americans are your friends.
A quick numbers question for you about the US since you’re an expert on US stats about judges: With Jews being about 2% of the population, what percentage of American judges are Jews and what percentage of Supreme Court justices are Jews?
Walid,
The only person mixed up is you. Try to follow the argument:
The percentage of blacks that are judges in the US relative to their population is less than the percentage of Arabs that are judges in Israel relative to their population. Since the US is not deemed an apartheid state because of the percentage of black judges, surely Israel should not be deemed an apartheid state based on this statistic as it applies to Arab judges.
eee, Israel is not being branded an apartheid state because of the low number of Palestinian-Israeli judges but because of its apartheid policies.
Walid,
“Israel is not being branded an apartheid state because of the low number of Palestinian-Israeli judges but because of its apartheid policies.”
Why don’t you read the post?
Try to follow the argument
What argument? Does someone pay you to be this stupid? The test for apartheid is the percentage of minorities in a population vs the percentage of minority judges?
The Israeli Ministry of Lies pays eee to be stupid all over the web for Israel.
MRW,
3e is harping on this issue because he thinks he has a winning argument, and in a selective, propagandistic sort of way, he does. In and of itself, the percentage of judges relative to the percentage of the population can be an indication of discrimination, but does not necessarily imply apartheid. It is within an ethnocratic system, with a dominant “charter” ethnic group, that such statistics reflect a situation that goes beyond “mere” discrimination, and can be compared to apartheid.
In this sense, the apartheid analogy is apt even within Israel proper. It is a fallacy however (and a very convenient one for Israeli propaganda) to relate only to discrimination within Israel – “apartheid light” – without considering its “temporary” control over the OT (sorry, IrishMoses – just using the accepted jargon). Not only is the system in effect in the OT actually worse than apartheid, but that ostensibly distinct system, along with past and present ethnic cleansing, land expropriation, etc. in the OT and in Israel proper, provides context for the discrimination against Palestinian Israelis in the public sector and every aspect of Israeli life.
Shmuel,
Who gets to decide when inequality is “mere” discrimination and when it is “apartheid”? I guess in Israel it is always “apartheid” while in other places it is discrimination. But thank you for conceding it may actually only be “apartheid light”.
Considering Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu and the civil rights movement of South Africa actively suffered under, and successfully overturned, apartheid, I say we start by asking them, first and foremost.
Who gets to decide …
It was your contention that the Palestinian minority in Israel is merely discriminated against – similar to African Americans, but not quite so bad.
I offered two reasons why the situation in Israel is fundamentally different: 1. Israel is an ethnocracy, with a “charter” ethnic group; 2. discrimination against Palestinians within Israel proper cannot be detached from the far-worse discrimination against Palestinians in the OT.
You replied with a sarcastic non sequitur.
“Who gets to decide when inequality is “mere” discrimination and when it is “apartheid”?
That’s pretty easy: In America, equality, and even some remedies for past discrimination are the law of the land however, discrimination still exists. In Israel, the systems of law itself, and the economy are racist. That’s the essential difference.
Q: With ethnic minorities being 20%+ of Israel’s population, what percentage of Israel’s ambassadors over the last 63 years have been ‘non-Jews’?
A: 0.05%.
Miura,
What is the statistic for blacks in the US?
Don’t you understand that quoting absolute numbers is just propaganda?
eee, speaking of Israel’s ambassadors, you should know that Israel’s ambassador to Cairo, Yitzhak Levanon (remembered him after Shmuel talked about salata Livanon) had to leave Egypt very very fast 3 weeks ago because he was suspected of recruiting spies for Israel and his return to Cairo has not been announced and probably never will be. The man has spying in his genes.
His mom is none other than the infamous Israeli spy, decorated national heroine and Israel’s very first Madam, Shula Cohen (“Shulamit Arazi Cohen” is “Shulamit Cohen Kishik” is “Schulamit Mayer Cohen” is “Shula Cohen”) that ran a brothel out of Beirut’s Club Rambo in 47-48 to obtain secrets from the Lebanese and Syrian military that frequented the club. Lebanon made a cheapie movie about her a couple of years back and it flopped. She was caught and jailed for about 7 years then freed in a prisoners’ swap between Lebanon and Israel.
Yitzhak’s brother is the equally infamous David Kishik, an Israeli officer at the Israeli Military-Civil Headquarter in Beit Il. Yitzhak took the family name of Levanon since he was born in Beirut and was the only family member to visit his mother in jail as all others had fled and some say he was proud of the fact that his mother succeeded in wrecking the Lebanese economy with her spying so he took the name of Levanon.
Nice background for one of Israel’s ambassadors continuing in his mother’s footsteps.
For articles and pictures:
link to kawther.info
link to occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com
you are a wealth of information walid. great links. somehow the idea of israel blackmailing politicians thru sexual entrapment doesn’t surprise me in the least.
i’m sure they would never try that w/american politicians.
;)
Time for yet another exciting episode of…
Mondoweiss Theatre of the Absurd!
eee: Look at the statistics of your country! Only 3.3% of judges are African American and yet they make up 14% of your population!
Miura: Minorities make up more than 20% of Israel’s population and only 0.05% have ever been ambassadors.
eee: Bah! Don’t quote numbers at me! Doing that is just propaganda!
You know it, Chaos! And I love especially how warm and appealing they are on a personal level, too. Present themselves really well.
“3.3% of American judges are black while blacks are 14% of the population.
Does that mean the US is an apartheid country?…”
This is a thread jack and has nothing to do with the article. An intended circular “discussion.” A disingenuous tactic intended to divert.
How so, a huge part of the post deals with this misleading statistic.
And it turns out the US is WORSE than Israel in this regard. Well, is the US an apartheid state?
Several supreme court judges are Jewish, yet Jews are less than 2% of the population. So maybe you have a point about apartheid over here. Clearly there is some privilege based on ethnicity going on here.
Unlike civil service or, say, employment on national railroad, judgeship positions in Israel have unusually high percentage of Arabs (i.e. much higher than in civil service and the railroad), which enrages Israeli right wing commentators.
On the other hand, the percentage of Arabs among another class of public positions, municipally supported clergy, is much, much lower. Zero? And interestingly enough, this municipally supported clergy issues curses (fatwas?) against people who RENT to Arabs (the sin of selling to Arabs is apparently so rare that even most vigilant rabbis do not campaign against that). And it was reported that this policy is highly successful, as religiously succored patriots threaten Jewish black sheep (that rent to Arabs) with arson etc.
One must remember that the rule of law in Israel is pretty approximate, so official discrimination is not fully reflected in laws. Most of the land is under the control of either the military (surprisingly large proportion!) or parastate Jewish organizations that here and there make some small pieces of land reserved for Arabs, like Beduin ghettos in the Negev. Not only are Arab communities in Israel very much separated, they are treated very unequally.
But nothing reflects the spirit of Apartheid as well as Area C. This is where the settlers, patiently supported and protected, are engaged in harassment of Arabs. This is basically national spectator sports. What football and baseball are to Americans, and soccer to Europeans and South Americans, Arab/Palestinian baiting is to Israeli Jews. Of course, you do not have to be a settler to abuse Arabs, universal (for Jews) military service provides ample opportunities and is hugely popular among Israeli Jewish youth.
Occupied Hebron and vicinity should be probably in National Hall of Fame for that particular sport, and, correspondingly, was designated as particularly worthy destination for Israeli school excursion. As a columnist of Haaretz put in, “visit to Baruch Goldstein graveyard and shrine will be optional”.
i am reminded of how the The “Summer Camp Of Destruction:” Israeli High Schoolers Assist The Razing Of A Bedouin Town
Annie, some Israelis love to celebrate. They celebrated the phosphorus fireworks over Gaza while picnicking on a nearby hill. They celebrated by dancing in the street when they saw the buildings disintegrate on 9/11. They celebrated during the 2006 Lebanon war by bussing 4th-graders to an IDF base to autograph shells about to shot at Lebanese villages. Some Israelis are real fun crowd. Must have been one giant bash when they were destroying the 400 Palestinian-Arab villages after ’48.
it’s sick walid
Not sure about Israelis dancing in the street Walid, are you sure you weren’t thinking of this iconic beauty of 9/11.
link to youtube.com
(looking forward to a plethora of conspiracy websites as a retort)
Really? Because you just posted thoroughly discredited fake videos? So Palestinians were celebrating 9/11 of 2001, in 1993?!
Golden Rule, you are exactly like the Nazis who propogated fake stories about how Jews used children’s blood in matzah or whatnot. That is EXACTLY what you are doing, you Muslim-hating freak.
Chaos? what are you talking about 1993? Where were you on 9/11? Were you watching CNN? I remember watching that video, 9/11/2001. Don’t try to fool anyone saying it was from 1993.
“Not sure about Israelis dancing in the street Walid, are you sure you weren’t thinking of this iconic beauty of 9/11.”
Of course, GoldenRule, this type of celebrating by Palestinians was equally despicable. In the case of these refugees wickedly celebrating America’s disaster, it was attributed to their hate of Americans for being at the root of their continued refugee status and for providing cover for Israel as it goes on stealing their land and water, but it still does notjustifytheir celebration. By contrast, the Israelis were celebrating the catastrophic loss of a friend and a benefactor. But this is in line with the Israeli mentality that sees no wrong in stealing the industrial and military secrets its main ally and arms supplier. But as a Zionist, you must think this is normal.
BTW, I also think Palestinian suicide bombers that killed civilians were despicable.
Golden Rule, quit lying. The video is from 1993. Many of us watched it back then. Where were you?
The video was actually filmed in 1993 after the end of the
gulf war and is simply being re-used as US-Israeli-Fox News propaganda to encite
racial hatred againts the Palestinian people. I was told that a Brazilian university site or
some such source have had this exact same video clip on one of its
webservers for years before 9/11.
“Golden Rule, quit lying. The video is from 1993. Many of us watched it back then. Where were you?”
I don’t think he’s lying; maybe a bit simple, a bit naive. People that believe God gave it to them can believe anything from a Zionist perspective.
LOL, where do you guys come up with this stuff? Talk about liars? How do you all know this video is from ’93? Repeating the same lies to each other isn’t going to change to truth. Citizen, it was on CNN! not Fox news. The Gulf war ended in like 1991!!!!!!! The talking points are getting all mixed up in this thread…
As for God giving the Jews Israel, that is BS. The United Nations, gave the Jews Israel and Israelis defended it from an Arab onslaught.
“As for God giving the Jews Israel, that is BS. The United Nations, gave the Jews Israel and Israelis defended it from an Arab onslaught.”
Of these three fairytales, the first may be the is most ridiculous, but the latter two are clearly more pernicious.
so in your mind the jews starting a war of conquest after the owners of the land decided they didn’t want to share it with bigots is being given it by foriegn powers and that they defended it? your grasp of history leaves something to be desired. No Israel invaded the land and was given it by their own greed and conquest
If you decide to visit Baruch Goldstein’s graveyard, don’t forget to add zichrono livracha (may his memory be blessed) after his name to anyone else at the shrine, so as to not cause offense:
Ah, Jennifer Peto. The Canadian student that the JDL went after. (I think it was the JDL.) Also, powerful Toronto Jewish groups.
Jennifer Peto was also villified in Ontario Legislature, a rare honor for a Master Thesis.
Concerning Goldberg, he allegedly killed 29, not 50, and there is no certainty that he was the only killer. Some conjecture that IDF guards of the Cave were disoriented and also started to shoot, and some argue that there were definitely more killed and wounded than bullets that Goldberg had. Another 25 Palestinians were killed by the troops during the riots that followed. When 40 day mourning period ended, a Hamas member committed “first successful suicide bombing”.
I am sorry to say but I believe (to a degree) in the concept of dominant and superior civilization. Comparatively, Palestinians are backward (call it traditional), and disorganized. Jews have modern computerized state, military, science etc. As a result, ideology of Palestinians is to a large degree a reflection of Israeli Jewish influence. So what was this influence?
In a gigantic feat of social engineering, the interaction between Palestinians and Jews was quite intense but dominated by a group with three preoccupations (a) fanatical religion, (b) making a lot and lot of babies, (c) picking fights and strirring trouble. This was perhaps a MINORITY among the settlers, but the minority that interacted with Palestinians most.
Of course, exchange of ideas always goes both ways. Israeli eat falafel and humus, and Palestinians developed a taste for borsch (at least they should to fit my theory, perhaps something is wrong with Israeli beets). Arab anti-Semites adopted a belief in Protocols of the Elders of Zion. When you read about the coordinated perfidy of Leftists and Islamofascists, you can see an identical plot but working in the opposite direction.
Piotr,
Comparatively, Palestinians are backward (call it traditional), and disorganized.
Not before 1948, it wasn’t. It was a country with a university, symphony hall, movie theatres, full cultural life, government buildings, and thriving businesses. The houses/villas that the rich live in were stolen from rich Palestinians. They had a military too.
The Israelis simply went in and took it over.
I am sorry to say but I believe (to a degree) in the concept of dominant and superior civilization. Comparatively, Palestinians are backward (call it traditional), and disorganized. Jews have modern computerized state, military, science etc. As a result, ideology of Palestinians is to a large degree a reflection of Israeli Jewish influence.
i think you’ve gone off the reservation with this comment piotr.
and i’d like to remind you this ‘dominant’ ‘superior’ civilization that’s developed over the last century (and i’m not speaking exclusively of zionism, at all) is threatening our globe, our environment and the possible extinction of all the species, something all those past civilizations somehow managed not to do for century upon century. frankly, i don’t think that sounds very ‘superior’.
Piotr, look what Palestine looked like in the 1920s. Notice the telephone lines on the right and the water tower in the back, the cars, and beautifully laid out street.
link to palestineremembered.com
Are you joking MRW? These were either Ottoman or British built and ran organizations. Which University and symphony halls are you referring to MRW? How about this Palestinian military?
MRW,
King George Street is in Tel Aviv, there was no King George street in Jaffa. I am not sure who you are trying to fool
link to en.wikipedia.org
i went to an exhibit of british lithographs of palestine. gorgeous. they also have an amazing array of nakba photos unavailable on the web.
Golden Rule, isn’t that kind of like saying Montana has never been a state because the highway system was built by the federal government, and they’ve never had their own army?
Dude, seriously. Just how racist are you? You really think Palestinians were savages before Colonizing White Folk came along?
Chaos, have you been to King George Road in Jaffa? How about in Tel Aviv? I’ve been to both cities and there is only one King George Road and it ain’t in Jaffa.
(Have you been to Israel? How about out of Wisconsin?)
Calling me a Nazi racist isn’t going to really help your case.
Chaos, Palestine was never a state of anything, it was a territory occupied by the Ottoman’s then the British. Comparing an occupied piece of land to a State of the Union is the biggest joke I’ve heard here lately.
As always, thanks for the laugh!
Golden Rule, there was a King George Street or road in Jaffa until the Zionists gave it a Hebrew name. It used to be called al-Nuzha Street before parts of it became Jamal Pasha Street and King George Street. The King George Street that was in Tel Aviv is a completely different street. The one in Jaffa being discussed must have a different name today since the Zionists erased mostly everyting that had to do with the past history of Palestine. It’s explained below from comments on Palestine Remembered; start with what the Israeli, Avi W. , said about the looting of the hospital in Jaffa. It’s part of Israel’s inglorious history of theft.
by Avi W. on November 4, 2010 #125098
“Hello i was born in 1964 in Dajani hospital,although the zionists called it Tsahalon,people called streets ,neighbourhoods and places by the original Arabic names,for many years,until about the 1970′s. i am a jew,and ashamed of the Nakba, my grandparents on my maternal side arrived in Palestine in 1934 and 1935, when the Zionists conquered Jaffa, they were instructed to invade the Arab’s property, they were living in Tel Aviv,and didn’t need to move to Jaffa, it was a trick by the Zionists, It is very good that you remember and don’t forget, inchallah,you will be able to return,or at least,if you want ,to get back what belongs to you, keep all the records , certificates, documents and whatever you have, tell your children and grandchildren what has happened,
Regards,
Avi W.”
Posted by Ibn al-Quds on August 27, 2010 #120349
“The Zionist settlers of Palestine changed the name of Dr. Fouad Dajani Street (Jaffa map 1944) to “Dr. Erlich Street”, and the name of his looted hospital to “Zahalon Geriatric Center”.
Posted by Ibn al-Quds on August 25, 2010 #120277
“On the current Israeli maps the Dajani Hospital is located on the southwest corner of “Sderot Yerushalim” (south-north direction and “Dr. Erlich Street” (east-west direction). Before al-Nakba (era before 1948), the hospital was located at Al-Nuzha neighborhood on the southwest corner of Al-Nuzha Street and Dawlat Street (Al-Nuzha Street changed its name to King George’s Street or Jamal Pasha’s Street north of this intersection).”
link to palestineremembered.com
“As always, thanks for the laugh!” (Counterfeit Golden Rule)
“Bienheureux sont les pauvres en esprit; car le Royaume des cieux est à eux.” (authentic author of the Golden Rule)
With the story of the 400 destroyed Palestinian-Arab villages, you must be rolling on the floor laughing.Take heart, according to J-C, you’re going straight to Zionist heaven.
amen
“… Chaos, Palestine was never a state of anything, it was a territory occupied by the Ottoman’s then the British.”(Golden Rule)
Golden, the Palestinians under a different name are descended from the Canaanites that arrived on the land long, long before the Hebrew squatters arrived.
Since it’s a slow morning until the Americans wake up, you’ll have time to watch the following docs in 2 parts to help you (and especially eee) correct the faulty and incomplete Zionist stories you have been told about your history.
Part I (that throws in or out the story of the Biblical exodus)
link to youtube.com
Part II(dealing mostly with the Lebanese descendants of the Canaanites)
link to youtube.com
Golden Rule,
Hey, sports fan: “Tel Aviv actually began as a suburb of Jaffa, the adjoining city with which it melded in 1950. Jaffa (meaning “beautiful”) is an ancient and venerable town which is mentioned in both the Old and New Testaments.”
link to travelnet.co.il
GR,
Next you’re going to deny there was such a thing as a Palestinian Passport and Palestinian money.
GR,
Chaos, Palestine was never a state of anything, it was a territory occupied by the Ottoman’s then the British.
Oh. So now your knowledge of history (not) only goes back to the Middle Ages [as opposed to God's real estate deal with the Jews which you found in the family Bible] . Check museum maps or the antique maps at the Univ of TX: Palestine has existed for 3,000 years (minus your theft of it in 1948).
Better yet, talk to Israeli archeologists in Tel Aviv. They’ll set you straight.
What are the earmarks of your dominant and superior civilization, piotr?
The superior civilization is represented by fanatically religious troublemakers on welfare.
The inferior one acquires similar traits by the way of cultural influence.
At least, this seems to be the logic of spreading “hilltop settlements”. But the these remarks perhaps should go back “into the reservation”.
But the these remarks perhaps should go back “into the reservation”.
piotr, i used the term ‘off the reservation’ as an expression meaning outside a range of discourse i’ve heard much of. it’s not for me to say you should go back anywhere and if you want to have the discussion have at it. i do not think it is controversial to say israel’s culture is dominating the palestinian one given the decades long occupation. but i heard you merge dominant and superior together. so when you also said Comparatively, Palestinians are backward (call it traditional), and disorganized. Jews have modern computerized state, military, science etc. it sounded to me you were making reference to dominant superior vs less so.
my second comment was more in general regarding modern day superior civilization that is in fact threatening the planet, it wasn’t zionist specific just mankind over the last century.
i didn’t mean to shut you up, i value your contributions here.
Amen indeed. Though I’m not quite sure why Our Lord Jesus Christ should be quoted in French?
There are older versions of the Golden Rule. In the perhaps slightly primitive version of ‘One good turn deserves another’ it is actually attributed to a Palestinian (Abimelech, King of ‘Gerar’, the Land of the Philistines) in Genesis 21, 23. Abraham had wronged Abimelech, who had treated him generously, and he promises better things between the two families in time to come. This promise should be borne in mind. I think that the Christian Zionists should reflect on it.
The implied presence of the Philistines in the heartland of multiculturalism by 2000-odd BCE is not generally believed. The Israelites do have a confirmed presence in Canaan from the Stela of Merneptah in 1205 and the Philistines from Ramesses III’s inscription of 1175 – I think these are fairly conventional dates. Thirty years difference, not much.
Not of course that anyone’s human rights really depend on living in a country that was a country, with similar borders, in a previous age.
I’ve jumped into the wrong place, which seems to be a bad habit of mine. My ‘amen’ was seconding annie’s, some way above.
“municipally supported clergy,”
In a democracy?
During segregation, the US government sent Black artists on international tours in a PR campaign to blur the harsh reality of Jim Crow and create an illusion of American inclusiveness and multiplicity. …. So in Israel would you call it “Hymie” Crow?
I call it Jim Crowstein. “Jim” is a pretty typical Jewish name.
During Apartheid Week at UPenn, David Horowitz took out a full page in the school newspaper and copy + pasted the front page of his website:
link to walloflies.org
A group of Muslim/Jewish/pro-Israel/Hillel/pro-Palestine students got together and condemned the ad as “dehumanizing hate speech:” link to dailypennsylvanian.com
To which Mr. Horowitz responded, “…..Shame on those who signed the article, and shame on their teachers for not providing them with the ability and good manners to actually answer arguments they disagree with instead of demonizing those who make them.”
Link: link to thedp.com
Nothing new, just thought I’d share.