More lies Weiner told us (#9: Jordan River is eastern border of Israel)

Today the media is once again aflutter with the “Sext, Lies, and Weinergate” scandal: Weiner’s wife is pregnant! His fellow Democrats are ready to dump him! His fifth lady friend has come forward! Hour by hour, sordid new details emerge, all breathlessly reported. And yet, as with all sex scandals, the prurient, puritanical thrill of watching a dog go down soon gives way to the feeling that the guy is getting it for the wrong crime. Sure the guy is a sleaze with a serious death wish – or is it God complex? – but what about the fact that he’s also a latter-day Jabotinsky who’s content to lie and deny for the sake of occupation, dispossession, and institutionalized inequality?

On Tuesday, Phil resurrected – and debunked – some of the more outrageous lies Weiner told during a March debate with former Congressman Brian Baird about Gaza and the Goldstone Report. (The debate was sponsored by the Nation Institute on behalf of our book, The Goldstone Report: The Legacy of the Landmark Investigation of the Gaza Conflict.) Today we offer you round two of Weiner’s tall tales and outright lies. Among his more outlandish claims: Israel’s blockade of Gaza is legal and not all that bad; Gaza is not occupied; Hamas cast the first stone; and perhaps the biggest head-spinner of all, Israeli settlement activity is not taking place on Palestinian lands but in Israel.

Herewith, lies 6 through 12.

Lies 6 & 7: Israel’s blockade of Gaza is legal and hasn’t caused serious humanitarian hardship anyway.

Weiner: There is a blockade that is legal under the Geneva Convention going on right now by the Israelis and the Egyptians on against Gaza. Why? Because they’re at war! I don’t like that, I wish they weren’t. They’re at war. At times of war, you do not let in things that can be used to build – to build bunkers, to do these other things. Fifteen thousand tons of humanitarian aid flows into Gaza each and every week. That goes in in compliance with the Geneva Conventions.

Let’s start with Falsehood #6, the claim that Israel’s blockade of Gaza is legal. This is simply untrue, and the reasons are several. The first is that blockades are only, or at least primarily, deemed legal in situations of international and armed conflict, which the Israel-Gaza conflict most certainly is not. In fact, because Israel remains the de facto occupying power of Gaza – and this gets us to reason number two – it is required by international law not only to protect the civilians under its control but to guarantee sufficient access to food and medical supplies. The blockade, which has reduced food and other humanitarian supplies to a trickle, clearly violates this obligation, but that’s hardly all. The blockade is also widely considered to be a form of collective punishment inflicted on the people of Gaza for their support of Hamas – a fact that Israel has all but admitted – and collective punishment is not merely not legal, it is a flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions. A war crime.

Or as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay has said:

International humanitarian law prohibits starvation of civilians as a method of warfare and … it is also prohibited to impose collective punishment on civilians.

I have consistently reported to member states that the blockade is illegal and must be lifted.

As to Falsehood #7, Weiner’s claims that 15,000 tons of humanitarian aid flow into Gaza each day so life can’t be all that bad, where does one begin? Here? Here? What about here?

The devastating effect of Israel’s blockade has been well documented by journalists, human rights groups, humanitarian organizations, and, of course, Palestinians. The Goldstone Report also dedicated pages of ink to chronicling the blockade’s humanitarian and human rights toll on the people of Gaza.

But you know what? Why listen to all these sources when you can just listen to Israeli officials themselves, as paraphrased in one of the US cables released by Wikileaks?

“As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials have confirmed … on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge.”

Lie 8: Israel no longer occupies Gaza.

Weiner: And is Gaza occupied? Let me just clear this up, is Gaza occupied, Brian?
Baird: I think it absolutely is.
Weiner: OK, so right now there are Israelis in Gaza?
Baird: No, but there are US-made F16s and US-made weaponry and a host of other –
Weiner: But not in Gaza.
Baird: On any given day, Israelis can enter Gaza.
Weiner: Yes, on any given day they can enter there, but they are not in Gaza today.
Baird: I don’t know that.
Weiner: They don’t occupy Gaza today. Yet the Goldstone Report characterized Gaza as still being occupied.

This is a popular meme, particularly among Israeli politicians and right-wing Zionists who love to claim that Gaza has not been occupied since Israel withdrew its troops and settlers from the strip in 2005. But pretty much everyone else in the international community, with the probable exception of the United States, continues to regard Gaza as being occupied. And with good reason. When a population is hemmed in on all sides by a foreign power, its borders closed and policed, even its airspace controlled; when that power controls everything from taxes to currency; and when it pays the local population occasional, unexpected visits in the form of military incursions, it’s hard to claim that the foreign power isn’t in control.

Here’s how the Goldstone Report sums up the situation:

Given the specific geopolitical configuration of the Gaza Strip, the powers that Israel exercises from the borders enable it to determine the conditions of life within the Gaza Strip. Israel controls the border crossings … and decides what and who gets in or out of the Gaza Strip. It also controls the territorial sea adjacent to the Gaza Strip and has declared a virtual blockade and limits to the fishing zone, thereby regulating economic activity in that zone. It also keeps complete control of the airspace of the Gaza Strip, inter alia, through continuous surveillance by aircraft and unmanned aviation vehicles (UAVs) or drones. It makes military incursions and from time to time hit targets within the Gaza Strip. No-go areas are declared within the Gaza Strip near the border where Israeli settlements used to be and enforced by the Israeli armed forces. Furthermore, Israel regulates the local monetary market based on the Israeli currency (the new sheqel) and controls taxes and custom duties.

The Goldstone Report’s conclusion? “The ultimate authority over the Occupied Palestinian Territory still lies with Israel.”

Lie 9: Israel’s ongoing settlement activity is not taking place on Palestinian lands but within Israel.

Weiner: There are people who believe that settlement activity is going on in Palestinian territories. There are people who believe that. I don’t believe that.

This one is a real head-scratcher. As Roger Cohen, New York Times columnist and moderator of the Baird-Weiner debate, pointed out at the time, even the Israeli government acknowledges – heck, proclaims – that it is building settlements. So how can Weiner claim there’s no “settlement activity” in Palestinian territories? There’s really only one possible answer, but it’s such an extreme, ludicrous answer, it seems impossible that Weiner could actually believe it. And yet – well, let’s just run the tape.

Cohen: Where do you think the settlement growth is happening right now?

Weiner: What do you mean, where do I think it’s happening?

Cohen: You just said it’s happening in Israel, where in Israel?

Weiner: I don’t follow your question. What do you mean where it’s happening? It’s a matter of fact where the settlement’s happening. I don’t understand your question.

Cohen: Well, I’m asking you whether – you said it’s in Israel, as far as I know, the settlement growth is in the West Bank.

Weiner: I believe it is in Israel.

Baird: Tony, are you saying that wherever there is a settlement it is by definition Israel?

Weiner: I am saying that at some point, and it’s not going to be the three of us, but at some point, Palestinians and Israelis are going to negotiate where development is going to be able to happen, where the border exists; right now the settlement that’s going on is going on in Israel. That’s not a controversial thing to say. I mean, that’s a matter of fact. You may want in the future, where Israeli homes are, to say that’s the Palestinian border but that’s not the case yet.

Cohen: Congressman, where for you is the border of Israel?

Weiner: Where is the border – how – do you want me to describe it on a map?

Cohen: I don’t know, where is it?

Weiner: Mr. Moderator-of-this-Debate, how do you want me to do that?

Cohen: One border is the sea, where is the eastern border?

Weiner: The Jordan River.

Ah-ha! So there it is. Weiner doesn’t think that any “settlement activity” is taking place on Palestinian lands because he doesn’t think that Palestinian lands exist. He thinks that Israel sprawls from the Jordan River to the sea, which is in perfect accord with the views of Bibi Netanyahu, Ariel Sharon, and, well, far too many Israeli administrations, but just happens to contradict International law. In fact, the International Court of Justice has specifically found that Israel’s practice of building settlements — essentially, transferring large chunks of its civilian population into territory it occupies — is a breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Apparently, every government in the world, with the exception of Israel, agrees.

Lies 10, 11, and 12: Hamas started the Gaza Conflict by firing rockets into Israel; Israel merely carpet-bombed whole neighborhoods of Gaza in self-defense, a right which the Goldstone Report doesn’t recognize.

Weiner: Yes, it was terrible, it was a terrible, damaging war, but it was initiated by Hamas after 12000 rockets. It is a right of a people to defend themselves and you would not know that reading the Goldstone Report.

Here we have another doozy, a case of three lies in one. Happily for us, Jerome Slater has tackled all of them at one point or another in his many writings on the Gaza conflict and the Goldstone Report. Just read this and this. In particular, he has done a brilliant job of puncturing the self-defense claim, demonstrating how it is both factually and philosophically impossible. The fact part is simple: in the months preceding Operation Cast Lead, Israel and Hamas had a truce that Israel broke (on Nov. 4, 2008) in an attack that killed six men from Hamas; and when Hamas offered to renew the truce in exchange for Israel easing the siege, Israel demurred – and, several weeks later, launched Cast Lead. As to the philosophical argument, it boils down to this: “there can be no right of self-defense when illegitimate and violent repression engenders resistance—and that holds true even when the form of resistance, terrorism (a fair description of Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians) is itself morally wrong.”

As to Weiner’s claim that the Goldstone Report ignores Israel’s right to self-defense, well, anyone who’s read even a fraction of the document knows this isn’t the case. As Slater has written:

“First, while the report condemned the Israeli methods of warfare, it accepted that the purpose of Cast Lead was legitimate: Israel, it said, had a right to “defend itself” against Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks aimed at Israeli towns and villages. In his oped, Goldstone reiterated this argument: “I have always been clear that Israel, like any other sovereign nation, has the right and obligation to defend itself and its citizens against attacks from abroad and within.”

So there you have it. Anthony Weiner showed up to a packed hall in New York this past March and spewed at least twelve big, bogus claims about Israel, Palestine, and the Gaza Conflict. And he clearly hadn’t read the Goldstone Report. But if his brother and sister congresspeople get their way, he might soon have a lot of time on his hands. One way he could fill it? By cracking open the Goldstone Report.

 

About Lizzy Ratner

Lizzy Ratner is a journalist in New York City. She is a co-editor with Adam Horowitz and Philip Weiss of The Goldstone Report: The Legacy of the Landmark Investigation of the Gaza Conflict.
Posted in Gaza, Israel/Palestine

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  1. mudder says:

    Juan Cole blogs today about Weiner and adds more:
    link to juancole.com

  2. David Samel says:

    Lizzy, thanks for the comprehensive debunking of lies told by Weiner. Numbering helps, because it is easy to lose track of the sheer volume of lies that are repeated incessantly, usually without challenge from reporters and interviewers. What made this different was that Weiner overdid it, either through chutzpah or ignorance or both, leaving Baird and Cohen stunned at some of these statements. Gaza no longer occupied is a mainstream opinion even though it is wrong; the West Bank not occupied is just loony. As good as Cohen and especially Baird were, in a debate setting, it is impossible to react and refute all of the lies, because they are not all immediately recognized and because Baird needs to make his own points. Your post mortem examination is essential.

  3. Lightbringer says:

    Let’s start with Falsehood #6, the claim that Israel’s blockade of Gaza is legal. This is simply untrue, and the reasons are several. The first is that blockades are only, or at least primarily, deemed legal in situations of international and armed conflict, which the Israel-Gaza conflict most certainly is not.

    Author lacks logics and argumentation.
    Gaza government – HAMAS – actually *is* in state of ongoing conflict with Israel.
    Is it international?
    Well, if it is NOT “international”, there is no occupation of Gaza, since “occupation” is the term for condition when state A occupies (part of) state B
    If it’s not “international” Israel is free to do whatever it pleases on no man’s land.
    So after all it IS an international conflict.

    Is it an armed conflict?
    Hmm, let me see…
    Both sides are using weapons, so it IS armed after all.

    So actually Israel is in state of international armed conflict with Gaza and is perfectly legitimate to blockade it.

    As to Falsehood #7, Weiner’s claims that 15,000 tons of humanitarian aid flow into Gaza each day so life can’t be all that bad, where does one begin? Here? Here? What about here?

    It says nowhere that Gazans have nothing to eat.

    Lie 8: Israel no longer occupies Gaza.

    First of all you should decide whether the conflict is international of not?
    If it’s not Israel could not possibly occupy Gaza accordingly to international law.
    If the conflict after all IS international it means that Gaza, after declaring war on Israel, is under perfectly legal blockade.

    • patm says:

      Newcomers to Mondoweiss: BEWARE

      Lightbringer is a paid propagandist (hasbarist) for the Israeli government.

      By pressing on his name at the top of his post you will find a list of all his comments. The comment that first caught my attention is this one: “In worst case scenario – few thousands of Gazans will die. They are used to it. We are used to it. Nobody cares.”

      Mondoweiss has been targeted by the Israeli government’s propaganda department and their employees arrive in shifts throughout the day. Other hasbarists to look out for are Guilty Feat, eee, es1892. Clencher, Hophni, and Robert Werdine.

      • James North says:

        clenchner is definitely not a hasbarist. hophmi? Maybe not.

        • patm says:

          James, I respect your opinion and also know you are a member of mondo’s website team. When you say “clenchner is definitely not a hasbarist,” I take notice. I withdraw my statement that clenchner is a paid propagandist.

          With respect to hophni, new mondo readers can judge for themselves by pressing his name on any new posts and look up his comments.

          To get some idea of the magnitude of the Israel propaganda machine, new readers can check out this website.

          link to hasbarafellowships.org

      • Chu says:

        hi patm,

        how do you know they’re paid? :D

        They may do it for their love of Israel. Hophmi is affiliated
        with the ADL to some extent, but I dont think they give him
        a salary.

      • Lightbringer says:

        Lightbringer is a paid propagandist (hasbarist) for the Israeli government.

        rofl
        OMG, thank you.
        I knew I’m good, but never thought I’m THAT good.

        Well, you probably ain’t gonna believe me yet still it’s up to me to clarify: nor before, neither after my military service I’ve had no relation with any government or “government” or whasosofuckingever else office or movement or political party or underground organization and that for one simple reason – there is no worthy leader or cause.

        P.S. You see, by total denial of Israeli point of view you only widening the gap between us – Jews and Arabs, or Israelis and Palestinians if you please.
        Situation is more than complicated already and both parties are here to stay and dialog between Israelis and Palestinians will have to continue.

        Now you not only align yourself with the very Zionists you berate, but also make us – those stupid enough to do for free what others do for money – painfully grasp that there is nobody to talk to, which effectively diminishes any – so little already – chances for cooperation.

        • patm says:

          Lb. You are using hasbara talking points right now.

          We know Israel’s foreign ministry is hiring shills. See my post to Chu for the link to ynetnews.com.

          “Now you not only align yourself with the very Zionists you berate, but also make us – those stupid enough to do for free what others do for money – painfully grasp that there is nobody to talk to, which effectively diminishes any – so little already – chances for cooperation.”

          The above para: Are you saying that big bad zionist me is making it “painful” for poor little you who toils away for free day after day trying to make peace between Israel and the Palestinians?

          And now you have no one to talk to? Poor lambikin!

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Worst PR budget expenditures ever. That’s the one saving grace, isn’t it? These people couldn’t rationalize their way out of a wet paper bag.

        • patm says:

          Chaos, here’s another current Israeli PR budget expenditure.

          I don’t think we should dismiss these initiatives out of hand. These folks are getting desperate and will stop at nothing.

          [IPME-News] “Haaretz exclusive: Secret cables show Israel’s battle plan over Palestinian UN bid” Haaretz. June 10, 2011.

          link to ca.mg202.mail.yahoo.com?.partner=rogers-acs&.gx=0&.rand=2rpkjnqno1hr8

      • Donald says:

        “Guilty Feat, eee, es1892. Clencher, Hophni, and Robert Werdine.”

        I think you’re blurring people together who are quite different. I disagree to varying degrees with all of them, but there’s quite a difference between, say, GF and Clenchner and maybe es1892 vs. eee and Robert. Hophmi is just bad-tempered, so it’s hard to tell exactly where he stands on substantive issues. He hates this place so much substance just takes a back seat.

        Also, I have no reason to think any are paid. People have opinions I consider wrong or even disgusting without being paid to have them. And Robert, for example, reminds me of the sort of incredibly aggressive very longwinded people I used to see on usenet many years ago whose approach is to type out a gigantic manifesto so full of BS it’d take a book to refute it all. He also reminds me of the typical writer for “Commentary” back when I used to read it.

        • patm says:

          Donald,

          ** See my reply above to James North’s post re Clenchner.

          ** In my reply to Chu I posted a link to this article:

          “Thought-police is here: Rona Kuperboim slams Foreign Ministry’s plan to hire pro-Israel talkbackers”
          link to ynetnews.com

          **For you I’m posting this leaked report from the 2009 Global Forum against Anti-Semitism. (It’s no longer on the web.)

          “AGENDA FOR THE BDS WORKING GROUP MEETING

          These were some of the questions we addressed – although it was difficult to cover them all, let alone answer them adequately in two short sessions. Still, we include them as food for thought for future conferences.

          I. Should this “working group” evolve into an ongoing task force – if so, what is its mandate, what are its goals, who will participate, what can it hope to achieve?

          II. Have we effectively explained why BDS crosses the line from legitimate criticism to historically-laden, anti-Semitic messaging (failing both the 3-D, Demonization, Double Standards, and Delegitimization, and 2-E, Essentialism and Exceptionalism, tests?)

          III. If there is to be a “war room” – who should run it? where should it be? who should participate? who will pay for it? what are its goals?

          IV. How can we best harness the comparative strengths of different institutions/communities in order to achieve the most effective response? Where specifically do the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and the Global Forum fit in?

          V. In strategizing regarding the BDS movement, how do we keep the messaging positive – while motivating normally apathetic students, etc?

          VI. Who can make the case to Israelis that some of the discourse in Israel is harmful – and how can it be done in an effective manner?

          VII. If the idea of a broader anti-BDS/pro-Israel movement makes sense – who will run with it, how do we make that happen? Can we work in some cooperative fashion or will multiple organizations insist on doing it their way with little or no coordination?

          VIII. What other ideas do we have for “Going on Offense”: and which ones do we wish to make priorities?” (my copy)

          ******
          Donald, we’ve been told by our moderators that mondo is being targeted by hasbarists. We would be naive to take Lb at his word when he states categorically that he is not a paid hasbarist. So to with the others.

        • MHughes976 says:

          If I had supposed that someone was a mercenary and discovered that (s)he was a fanatic I think I would shudder more intensely and be even less inclined to read his/her remarks. If an apparent fanatic turned out to be a mercenary I’d think I was encountering a good actor but would not bother to read those lengthy screeds.
          We may have had a few mercenaries/provocateurs who were trying to elicit remarks that could be advertised as ‘anti-Semitic’. But they’ve probably been very frustrated and disappointed.

        • Danaa says:

          patm, I have no doubt lightbringer is a hasbarista, but I kind of doubt he is paid – quality is too low for compensation in any coin I can think of. Robert Werdine is as Donald says, a long winded gas bag. No one would hire him either, not with his demonstrated lack of talent for creating convincing online persona.

          Clencher I think is of the liberal zionist mold. There are quite a few of these – all looking to retrace some boundaries for the I/P discourse, now grown dangerously thin and shaky (from their viewpoint). I think both he and GF (and probably WJ) live in quick sand and are searching for some solid ground. Why they come here I’m not sure. Maybe for thrills, cheap or otherwise. maybe Mooser is right and Phil and Adam got them all chained to the computer in a basement somewhere. maybe they are lost, looking for convictions once held firmly and now turned to jello.

          The one thing I am sure of is that we seen nothing yet, so we better be ready. The real dangerous, well paid crew is reading, silently, looking for angles, collecting data, checking to see how many dots are connected, measuring the impact of this web site in toto – us all included, even clencher and our anti-mascot, Witty.

        • patm says:

          Danaa, consider that Lb is likely a Russian-speaker. And then let’s assume, as I’m sure is the case, that there are in Russia and on Russian websites good souls who would like to see justice for the Palestinians. Think how useful Lb would be on these sites. I think he moves around the web all day spreading his hasbara.

          I have found GF on Americans for Peace Now (under the name she uses on her website) spreading the hasbara line about how Arabs are far better off in Israel than anywhere else in the Middle East. She denied it of course, as does Lb.

          You are right to be concerned about what Hasbara Central has in store for us in the months to come. This upcoming vote at the UN, I’m sure, has them scrambling for hasbaristas.

          ****
          What’s got me so furious at these hasbargoons today is this video:
          link to informationclearinghouse.info.

          It’s titled “East Jerusalem: Sharing our house with settlers” and was made by Muna and Muhammed, 12-year-old twins living in Sheikh Jarrah, East Jerusalem. Cheers.

        • Avi says:

          The one thing I am sure of is that we seen nothing yet, so we better be ready. The real dangerous, well paid crew is reading, silently, looking for angles, collecting data, checking to see how many dots are connected, measuring the impact of this web site in toto – us all included, even clencher and our anti-mascot, Witty.

          Danaa,

          The Israeli/Zionist narrative has yet to peddle any kind of myth or tactic that I — and I’m sure many here — have yet to hear/read.

          There is a limit to the propaganda AND spin human beings can manufacture. And so, they tend to recycle most of it.

          Anyone familiar with propaganda from the Middle Ages, will surely find the same tactics used today. That is to say, the formulas have stayed the same.

        • Danaa says:

          Avi, I agree with you – our hasbaristas have only so much depths to plumb, and the bottom has been reached some time ago. But new spin is not quite what I worry about. My concerns are with things a bit more sinister than mere spin.

          I am sure that the next things we’ll be seeing (if we haven’t yet) are some crude attempts at Psy-Ops. Things that can soften the strong of heart and sow doubt in online communities (which is how currently voices of support for palestinian rights get amplified). Maybe something like operation Amina?

          I know, I know….way too conspiracy-minded…..but how can I not be given all that’s going on, and what I am convinced is The Plan?

          I think the only way I differ from the many good posters here – and Phil and Adam too – is that I don’t underestimate our adversaries even for a moment. Not what they want and not what they are capable of. Of course, I doubt you do much mis/underestimating either.

        • Citizen says:

          Danna, you mean OP Amina, the independent initiative by some low level US Marines to save a 3 year old Arab girl who needed major surgery?
          Please clarify. Thanks.

        • Danaa says:

          Citizen – actually no, I meant Amina Arraf, the Girl blogger from Syria, who has now been shown to not really exist, at least not with the details given, and most likely not living in Syria, much less kidnapped by their shadowy security. No one knows as of now who’s behind that story and who has been writing her interesting entries or put her details on so many dating sites. A page even existed for her in Hebrew.

          I am not actually saying that it is a cyber operation deliberately perpetrated by someone. It could well be something started as an exercise in fiction as this person’s early blog – now defunct – indicates. But then something else happened along the way to make it all go viral with the entry of “My father the hero” that got put on MW as well as numerous other places, garnering all kinds of sympathy from extremely well meaning people around the world, and especially in Arab countries, who were then crushed to learn the story i full of holes.

          What I meant (and I’m sorry for being unclear) is – I just have this funny hunch (and honest, that’s all it is) that we are about to enter a new phase of cyber battles, where it is all about hearts and minds and the new connectiveness the internet bring. How this battle will play out I can only perceive in vague outlines, ie, as possibilities. I am not even sure who the players will be and who or what will pull the strings. It’s just a feeling that we are on the threshold of something, and that this Amina story is a clue of sorts (though probably not in an obvious way. It could well be some young woman somewhere with an extremely rich fantasy life and an obvious talent for writing). Please take my comment in this context.

          It is interesting though about that 3 year old girl also, incidentally, called Amina you mentioned. I did not actually see that one.

        • Citizen says:

          Avi, I think I see what you mean; the electronic media, social networking programs, sites, Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, etc are already fertile grounds for fantasy mixed with reality, and another strain of this are the US “reality” shows, etc; propaganda, diversionary shows, tales, etc; even e-games, etc–manipulation of people’s minds, their ability to tell fact from fiction, etc, will be a tremedous strain for hears and minds, non-stop, for political ends, and so on. New types of net working, associations with formerly diparate entities and groups, etc–Goebbels would love it, as would Bernays. Who knows, we Americans may fairly soon discover we can indirectly gain access to Radio Free Europe broadcasts to learn what are government tells the world, but not us, and similarly gain access in translation to our government’s broadcasts in persian to sow discontent there.

        • Citizen says:

          Avi, how about this to illustrate a tad of what you are concerned about:
          “False Flag Racism,” The Internet Proxy War
          “Proxy Buster” Software Exposes False Flag Antisemite
          Spammers Tied to Spy/Terror Groups
          By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
           
          An unclassified version of the software used by the FBI has allowed Veterans Today to track the IP addresses of a group of, what appeared to be, hate mongers and racists whose rhetoric borders on terrorist extremism.  What we found was astounding.  In one case, an individual using the email address “[email protected]” was traced to the computer of the head the largest Jewish “defense” organization.
          Others, reposting copyright materials without permission on extremist sites or posting comments filled with racist threats were traced to homes and public buildings in Tel Aviv or to members of Washington lobbying groups tied to Israel.  Most noticeable, though the message is primitive, the syntax is flawless and often elegant.  Spelling and punctuation are “spot on.”
          Veterans Today editor, Jim W. Dean said;
          We spend hours each week, time we could spend helping veterans, cleaning this garbage off our website.  All of it is blatant and amateurish.  A good friend who works for the Anti-Defamation League, an organization headed by Abe Foxman, told me that hundreds have been recruited, here in the US and more in Israel, whose job it is to seed Antisemitic material into websites that are critical of Israel’s apartheid policies. They openly joke around there how the Nazi and White Supremacist websites have been “theirs” for years.

          More at:
          link to veteranstoday.com

        • GuiltyFeat says:

          patm is a habitual liar.

          I have stated repeatedly that my opinions are my own. patm also insists for some bizarre reason that I am female. I have no particular objection to that claim except that it calls into question my integrity when I have stated here that I am a father.

          The comment that patm claims is mine from the “Americans for Peace Now” site was not written by me. If it was written by me, I would say that it was written by me. I have no reason to lie to anyone here. I have not told a single lie about myself since I started posting here. If patm or anyone else finds even one lie that I have told about myself, I will withdraw permanently from the site.

          patm, on the other hand lies constantly about me. I can only assume that he or she also lies about other things.

          I would like to stop having to post these kinds of comments as they are unnecessarily dramatic and detract from the purpose of the site. patm is a dreadful troll. I wish he/she would stop.

        • patm says:

          Now now, guilty, don’t get hysterical.

          Mondo readers can click on my name at the top of my posts, read every one of my comments, and judge for themselves how much lying I do. They can do the same with your name, don’t forget.

          You’re furious with me because I have said, and will continue to say, that you are one of several Israeli government propagandists (hasbarists) who ply their trade regularly at mondoweiss.

          Should new readers think the Israeli government would never dream of hiring propagandists, they can check out this article:

          link to ynetnews.com

        • Lightbringer says:

          An unclassified version of the software used by the FBI has allowed Veterans Today to track the IP addresses of a group of, what appeared to be, hate mongers and racists whose rhetoric borders on terrorist extremism. What we found was astounding. In one case, an individual using the email address “[email protected]” was traced to the computer of the head the largest Jewish “defense” organization.

          Now that’s a 100% pure bullshit.
          Actions described are not even theoretically possible.
          Only complete lamers – people not acquainted with information technologies – could believe such stupid statement, obviously made up by someone who barely knows how Internet really works.

          P.S. It is such a relieve – to know that you opponents actually are THAT stupid.
          proxy buster ROFLMAOAAA

  4. Chu says:

    Juan Cole:
    Top Ten Things Anthony Weiner has Said that are Worse than Sexting

    1. Called for Columbia University professor Joseph Massad to be fired for being critical of Israel; Weiner thus spearheaded a new McCarthyism.

    2. On the Israeli attack, in international waters, on the Mavi Marmara relief ship, Weiner sputtered: “”If you want to instigate a conflict with the Israeli navy it isn’t hard to do. They were offered alternatives. Instead they chose to sail into the teeth of an internationally recognized blockade.” The blockade of Gaza civilians is a breach of international law; it is not internationally recognized and has on the contrary been condemned by almost every nation and human rights organization.

    3. Alleged that the New York Times is anti-Israel: “Amnesty International in particular, has always had bias against Israel, and frankly I would argue that in many cases, the New York Times has, as well.”

    4. Alleged that the Palestine Liberation Organization is still listed by the US as a terrorist organization. It was dropped from the list over 2 decades ago.

    5. Tried to bar the Palestinian delegation to the United Nations from New York.

    6. Alleged that Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestine Authority, is not the head of the PLO. He is.

    7. Refused to condemn the use by Israel of cluster bombs on the civilian farms of south Lebanon in 2006.

    8. Alleged that the Israeli army does not occupy the West Bank and that there is no Israeli Army presence in the West Bank.

    9. Called Israel’s war on Gaza a “humane” war. 400 children were killed.

    10. Voted for Iraq War authorization in 2002, before later turning against the war.

    • Avi says:

      It is quite instructive that the media chooses to focus on such sleaze while giving more heinous crimes and statements no coverage whatsoever.

      As far as public opinion goes, the only hope left for the US public is the Internet. Once the government gets its paws on it — with various legislation and restrictions — it will become as bad as any other medium.

  5. Citizen says:

    One big reason Weiner gets away with his expressed POV, such as it is, is because our POTUS himself takes his own language from Israel’s chief spokeman–here’s a great article on Obama’s “policy” regarding Israel, and how he modifies his words, depending upon every next phrasing and euphemism out of the mouth of Bibi: link to counterpunch.org

  6. Chu says:

    He’s quite a sick man, I’ll give him that. There’s a picture for the world to see this man’s genitals, but he insists he can weather the storm???
    Sending pictures of yourself to random twitter friends opens yourself to blackmail. They gotta toss him.

    This polling in New York district shows 56% of these queens/brooklyn residents wants him to stay. What they don’t tell, you is that it’s both republican and democrats that are polled. Of course the republicans want him to stay, as this story is a blight for their party. It’s because of his uber-Zionist credentials they are trying desperately to salvage him. Regardless, most of this mass information is very misleading.

    His wife, the more she hangs around his side, the more she becomes tarnished as well. This clown isn’t even sorry. His comments to the NY Post yesterday proved that. Sad that he cannot see the writing on the wall. Schumer needs to have a man to man talk with his protege.

  7. Chu says:

    I recall Baird trying to allow Weiner some room to empathize with some of the Gazan families that were murdered during cast lead. He couldn’t do it.

    Baird played the lawyer and clinical psychologist well at this point. He offered Weiner a chance to show the crowd some empathy. Weiner failed it badly. He then became a depraved moron and went into his falsehoods that lizzy brings up in the article.
    Weiss used to shower Weiner with praise in the past, despite his latter day Jabotinsky leanings. What are his feelings today about the man?

  8. heb says:

    “when that power controls everything from taxes to currency; and when it pays the local population occasional, unexpected visits in the form of military incursions, it’s hard to claim that the foreign power isn’t in control.”

    I would say that the military incursions are expected rather than unexpected; after all they happen on a fairly regular basis.

    • Citizen says:

      Yeah, Weiner’s a regular talmudist in his approach; he nit picks words to slide back the obvious truth; the key feature of occupation is nearly total control over the people as to the most basic rights & needs in the subject area; you can have a ton of foreign people in a given area but if they don’t try to control the natives in the area, while they are physically in the area in significant numbers, they are not occupying it. To say so would be seen as a joke. The Germans didn’t occupy the Warsaw Ghetto either, nor is a prison an occupation. I’m also reminded of the fringe use in America of the term ZOG.

  9. Debonnaire says:

    Weiner is a full-on pervert. Baba Wawa adores him BECAUSE he favors Israel’s murderous racism towards the Palestinians.

  10. Lizzy Ratner,

    Said you:

    “Let’s start with Falsehood #6, the claim that Israel’s blockade of Gaza is legal. This is simply untrue, and the reasons are several. The first is that blockades are only, or at least primarily, deemed legal in situations of international and armed conflict, which the Israel-Gaza conflict most certainly is not.”

    This simply misapplies and misconceives international law in relation to the entire conflict between Israel and Hamas. Israel has been in a state of armed conflict with Hamas for more than two decades. When Hamas graduated from insurgent terrorist group to overlords of the whole Gaza strip after the Israeli withdrawal, the war escalated in scope and scale. In any event, the dubiousness of the Hamas regime’s international legal status does not change the reality that a defacto state of armed conflict thus exists between the Hamas regime ruling Gaza and Israel. Article 51 of the UN charter, which prohibits acts of aggression, excludes acts of self-defense, and the laws of initiating hostilities (jus ad bellum) does not inhibit the use of force in that capacity in non-international conflicts.

    But let’s put that aside. Let’s look at the broad range of applicable international law that supports the counter-measures that Israel has taken against Hamas as a non-international terrorist entity. The terrorist acts committed by Hamas and the justification of any and all lawful Israeli countermeasures are all so defined according to the following:

    –The International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings, which make it a crime to bomb public places with intent to kill civilians and in which Hamas attacks and those culpable for them are considered international terrorists, thus giving Israel criminal jurisdiction over them. All other signatories to the convention (US, Russia, Turkey, France) are all obliged to assist Israel in this capacity.

    –The International Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide, Article 2 of which defines genocide as an effort “to destroy, in whole or part, a national, ethnical, or religious group, as such.”

    –The International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Financing, Articles 2 (4)-(5) which extends criminal liability to those who “attempt to commit; participate as accomplices; direct or organize terrorist attacks; contribute to acts by terrorist groups with knowledge of the group’s intent to commit terrorist acts or with the aim of furthering their goals.”

    –United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373 which require all states to “deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts, or provide safe havens.”

    –UNSC Resolution 1566 which similarly requires all states to deny support or safe haven to “any person(s) who supports, facilitates, participates, or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or commission of terrorist acts or provides safe havens.”

    Both UNSC Resolutions 1373 and 1566 are both filed under Chapter VII of the UN Charter, thus giving them the status of binding, international law. The entire Hamas regime are thus criminal terrorists whose regime exists, and whose terrorist actions occur, in total defiance of any and every conceivable application of all international law, and whether they are a sovereign state or a non-international entity is simply irrelevant.

    Said you:

    “In fact, because Israel remains the de facto occupying power of Gaza – and this gets us to reason number two – it is required by international law not only to protect the civilians under its control but to guarantee sufficient access to food and medical supplies. The blockade, which has reduced food and other humanitarian supplies to a trickle, clearly violates this obligation, but that’s hardly all.”

    Even if we grant that Israel is a defacto occupier, its actions, in both the blockade and Operation Cast Lead are still consistent with Article 43 of the regulations attached to the 4th Hague Convention of 1907 which states that an occupying power must “take all measures in its power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety.”

    Think not? Consider then: The economic life of Gaza is tied closely and inextricably to Israel, as well as the West Bank. The terrorist attacks conducted by Hamas, which escalated sharply in scale and quantity during and after Israel’s withdrawal, brought with it the usual border closings and counter-terrorist responses that any sovereign state engages in when its citizens are endangered by acts of indiscriminate terror. As Hamas terrorists are well aware, these measures inevitably bring hardship on the Palestinian people, and, given Hamas’ well-documented habit of positioning their terrorist infrastructure in mosques, hospitals, and other densely populated areas encompassing civilians, puts their lives in danger. This underscores the brutally cynical calculus behind Hamas terror: Hamas leaders know only too well what suffering their terror war on Israel inflicts on the Palestinian people, and they could care less.

    After all, why should they? The Palestinian people have never been anything but dirt under their feet and fodder for “the cause.” Also, they know that any terror attack on Israel will be answered in kind, and that the UN, the EU, and Hamas’ myriad supporters and apologists around the world will focus their attentions and condemnations almost exclusively on the Israeli response to the attack. Do you think they live in mortal fear of human rights organizations, UN sanction, or arrest by the ICJ? Please. Hamas, as did Saddam Hussein, fully grasps the bias, the credulous useful-idiocy, and the corruption of these entities, and skillfully manipulates them for its purposes to maximum effect.

    There would be no conflict between Hamas and Israel if Israel’s destruction were not Hamas’ ambition, or if Hamas were a peaceful, lawful entity with peaceful, lawful ambitions. But they are what they are: violent, lawless terrorists, and Israel has every right to defend itself and its people against a self-identified terrorist entity openly seeking its destruction whether they are stateless terrorists or rulers of a sovereign nation. All Hamas suicide bombings as well as rocket and mortar attacks on Israel before, during and after the 2005 Gaza withdrawal were and are indiscriminate acts of terrorism and murder against innocent Israeli civilians in the service of their openly stated objectives.

    The highest task of any state is the defense and protection of its people. Can it really be argued that Hamas’ suicide bombings, along with their rejection of, and attempts to derail, the Oslo peace process in the 1993-2005 period, in addition to their indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks against Israel both during and after the withdrawal from Gaza, really constitute a necessary defense of the Palestinian people, and demonstrate a responsible concern for their protection and well-being? I think not.

    To argue that Hamas’ terrorist attacks on Israel, and the inevitable consequences of the attacks, are not a threat to Israel’s or the people of Gaza’s “public order and safety,” is thus preposterous. Thus whether Israel is a defacto occupier or an actual one, Israel’s actions are consistent with Article 51 of the UN Charter and Article 43 of the 4th Hague Convention. Even the Goldstone report doesn’t pretend that the same is true with Hamas’ rocket attacks on Israel.

    Said you: “The blockade is also widely considered to be a form of collective punishment inflicted on the people of Gaza for their support of Hamas – a fact that Israel has all but admitted – and collective punishment is not merely not legal, it is a flagrant violation of the Geneva Conventions. A war crime.”

    Hardly. Israel’s counter-measures against Hamas terror with the blockade, besides being lawful under the right of self-defense against terrorist entities and acts covered in Article 51 of the UN Charter, does not constitute “collective punishment” under any reading of international law. According to the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), International Humanitarian Law (IHL) forbids collective punishment on the grounds that “no one may be convicted of an offence except on the basis of individual criminal responsibility.” That is, it forbids deliberately punishing an innocent person or persons on the basis of association rather than individual criminal guilt.

    The blockade and other political, economic, and military measures by Israel against Hamas are not, in a legal sense, penal acts inflicted on the people of Gaza; they are demonstrable acts of self-defense against the terrorist regime ruling them. The Goldstone report thus misapplies the concept to economic sanctions that are part of lawful self-defense against terrorist acts inflicted by an entity that operates as a safe haven for terrorists, which, among other things, include lawful measures such as the blockade and interdiction of arms and weaponry. In an even more expansive reading of the concept, the Goldstone report even found Israel guilty of collective punishment for partially closing its border with Gaza, neglecting to mention that it was in response to a rocket attack after the June 2008 truce had been declared. The Goldstone report thus misapplies the concept of “collective punishment” to the lawful imposition of economic sanctions and other restrictive measures by a sovereign state in its own self-defense. The report cites no legal precedent for this novel application of the concept of collective punishment, and for very good reason: there is none to cite.