Mondoweiss liveblogs the UN General Assembly speeches

All eyes are on Palestine today as Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas is set to address the United Nations (UN) General Assembly about his request for UN recognition of a state of Palestine.  Tune in here as Mondoweiss liveblogs the Abbas speech and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s. 

Shortly after the speech, Abbas will submit a letter requesting membership UN membership.  Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is set to address the General Assembly shortly after Abbas speaks.  The speeches mark the climax of months of diplomatic wrangling and intense pressure on the Palestinian Authority to abandon their statehood bid. 

5:05 PM (EST): In a move aimed at avoiding a Security Council vote on the Palestinian Authority’s bid for statehood recognition, the Middle East Quartet released a statement this afternoon.  Colum Lynch at Foreign Policy reports:  

“The Quartet reiterated its urgent appeal to the parties to overcome the current obstacles and resume direct bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations without delay or preconditions,” reads the Quartet statement. “But it accepts that meeting, in itself, will not reestablish the trust necessary for such a negotiation to succeed.”

The statement details a specific proposal for a timeline for direct talks, beginning with a “preparatory meeting” in the next month to “agree an agenda and method” for the talks. “At that meeting there will be a commitment by both sides that the objective of any negotiation is to reach an agreement within a timeframe agreed to by the parties but not longer than the end of 2012.”

The Quartet “expects the parties to come forward with comprehensive proposals within three months on territory and security, and to have made substantial progress within six months. To that end, the Quartet will convene an international conference in Moscow, in consultation with the parties, at the appropriate time.”

The Quartet “recognizes the achievements of the Palestinian Authority in preparing institutions for statehood,” the statement said. It also calls on the two parties “to refrain from provocative actions if negotiations are to be effective.”

The Quartet statement includes nothing about continued settlement building.  The Palestinian Authority has said it would only return to negotiations if Israel froze settlements and agreed to base the talks on the 1967 borders.  Lynch also reports that the European Union has been “pressing the Palestinians to back down and not force the matter for a vote. Instead, the Europeans would support a bid by the Palestinians to secure a General Assembly decision recognizing the Palestinians as an non-member observer state.”

2:11 PM (EST): My takeaway from the Netanyahu speech:  There was nothing new, and we heard much the same from his speech in front of the US Congress.  Netanyahu has no strategy but occupation and settlements.  How will that play in a new Middle East, one where people power is beginning to matter? 

1:54 PM (EST): This speech is tone-deaf to the new reality of the Middle East.  Netanyahu is making the argument for prolonged military occupation, forever.  He is speaking to a world that has seen people rise up against their dictators.  But Abbas, whatever legitimate criticisms there are of him, has firmly put the cause of Palestine back at center stage in the midst of the Arab uprisings.

1:43 PM (EST): Netanyahu is so far avoiding any talk of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and instead focusing on the threat of radical Islam and Iran.  He is reiterating the tried myths of the “generous offers” of Camp David and Ehud Olmert.   

1:40 PM (EST):  Netanyahu has begun his speech, reciting a tired litany of complaints about the UN.

1:32 PM (EST): Abbas’ speech is over.  What comes next?  A list:

-The UN Security Council will vote on Palestine’s application–eventually.  As the Wall Street Journal reported, “the U.S. and its European allies plan to delay a U.N. Security Council vote on Palestinian membership well beyond this week in a bid to revive direct peace talks between the Palestinians and Israelis and sidestep an American veto, said officials briefed on the talks.”  The U.S. is sure to delay and delay indefinitely, but they may be forced to veto the bid.  The question is whether Abbas would approach the General Assembly after that.

-Israeli reactions and consequences.  On the immediate front, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman walked out, calling it a “speech of incitement,” YNet reports. 

1:00 PM (EST): The news in the speech is that Abbas has submitted an application for full UN membership for a state of Palestine, with East Jerusalem as the capital.  But the big question remains:  What exactly does the application say about a Palestinian state and its territory?  The PA bid has been shrouded in secrecy, and no one knows what the application will say.  If East Jerusalem is to be the capital, how do you explain the Palestine Papers revelations that showed “the PA’s willingness to concede areas of occupied East Jerusalem to the Israeli state,” as the Electronic Intifada put it? 

12:45 PM (EST): Abbas told the GA audience that while he is open to negotiations with Israel, talks remain “meaningless” while settlement building goes on. 

12:10 (EST): PA President Mahmoud Abbas has just begun his speech at the UN, walking to the stage to loud applause.  In Ramallah, thousands of people are celebrating upon the news that Abbas formally submitted the application for full membership, according to tweets from journalist Joseph Dana.  But meanwhile, Israeli troops reportedly killed one person earlier today in a village outside Nablus, and clashes have erupted at the Qalandia checkpoint after Israel denied access to Jerusalem. 

11:50 AM (EST): The Associated Press is reporting that the Palestinian Authority has “formally” submitted their application for full membership in the UN.

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    • Kathleen says:

      “But Abbas vowed to press ahead during a meeting with Obama, the White House said later.”

      How could he do anything else. His lined in the sand was stop the illegal settlements now.

  1. crone says:

    Thanks for doing this… I’ll be reading with interest.

  2. BillM says:

    Meanwhile, the blood is flowing in Palestine. At least 1 killed, shot with live ammunition (where are these mystical non-lethal Israeli weapons?), and dozens injured already. Note how the facts are reported, in The Telegraph:

    link to telegraph.co.uk

    “The clashes erupted after a group of more than 50 settlers from the nearby outpost of Esh Kodesh entered the south side of the village and began smashing windows and throwing stones, witnesses told AFP.

    The gang smashed the windows of several houses on the outskirts of the village with sticks and stones, and the villagers threw stones back.”

    Then note how Ethan Bronner reports it:

    link to nytimes.com

    “Near the village of Qusra, a dozen settlers from a nearby outpost arrived to pray, an act viewed as a provocation by the villagers.”

    Apparently, smashing windows is an act of prayer for Bronner.

    • Whizdom says:

      Qusra is deep in west Bank, this is the third instance of settler violence this month, a Mosque was burned, and a major crop and tree destruction. Now this.

    • iamuglow says:

      Wow. That ought to be highlighted as its own post.

      Israel has become what it is because of people like Bronner misinforming and distorting what happen in Israel in American newspapers. They are complicent. Complicent on Iraq. Complicent on Israel.

    • annie says:

      Bill, the video of the idf closing the roads making them clear for the settler march was front paged here yesterday.

      i suggest watching it.

      • DBG says:

        LOL, I love how all of your propaganda videos start right in the middle of the situation. of course no rocks were thrown by Palestinians before this, they are all peaceful.

        “now the ‘occupation forces’ dirty work begins” what an impartial piece of journalism.

        • seafoid says:

          And even if they did throw rocks , DBG, why are Israeli Jews shooting them ?
          And why are there armed Israeli Jews there, DBG, more than 20 miles beyond the borders of Israel ?

        • Shingo says:

          LOL, I love how all of you hasbrats have supernatural powers to know what took place before the beginning of the video and accept that the rock throwing (which you see to think deserves the death penalty) was the inciting incident rather than a response.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Abridged DBG: “They were Arab, they clearly deserved to die.”

    • annie says:

      The Israeli military has heavily boosted its presence around the West Bank, worried that the Palestinian move toward international recognition of its statehood might inspire large-scale marches or violence against some of the 330,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. They were equally concerned that radical settlers could promote confrontations.

      bonner is totaly spinning. if he has not heard the settlers planned to march across the land and into villages to confront palestinians ..well i don’t believe it. tha palestinians are not planning the “large-scale marches or violence against settlers. it is the opposite and it’s been covered in the israeli (hebrew) press. larry defner 9/21

      Israel’s number one journalist, Nahum Barnea of Yediot Aharonot, wrote the following today about the immediate prospects for violence in the West Bank as a result of the UN showdown::

      “Surprising as it sounds, the IDF and Israel Police both figure that the greatest danger at the moment is not from the Palestinian side, but from the Jewish side. ‘Price tag’ operations by settler extremists are spreading. Eight mosques have been attacked in the last two weeks with no arrests of any culprits being made. The Shin Bet stands helpless in the face of these events. While the Palestinian leadership is calling for restraint, Jewish extremists are fanning the flames, which are liable to sweep thousands of Arabs up on both sides of the Green Line.

      “This is the danger – and the failure. It is keeping senior security officials awake at night.”

      shin bet stands helpless my ass. the idf are protecting these people.

  3. Kathleen says:

    Cool. Kind of tried to live blog the other day on Mondoweiss. So interesting to each nation and their concerns. Have spent a great deal of time at the UN’s site over the years reading documents, letters sent from other nations regarding Israel’s nuclear , biological and chemical weapons stockpiles and their threat to peace in the middle east etc. Going to be important to spend more time at the IAEA’s website as the push to go get bad bad Iran and frequency of our MSM talking heads willingness to not only allow guest to repeat the unsubstantiated claims about Iran but the host themselves repeating these unsubstantiated claims.

    Erdogans speech was especially relevant. If folks have not listened to it I recommend listening. As well as the King of Jordans speech.

    • Bumblebye says:

      Here is a little peice of pertinent history:
      link to bbc.co.uk
      in the “Witness” series, Nabil Shaath remembering the only other time a non state leader has addressed the UNGA.
      How, by default (no one else would go!) he (Shaath) was picked to go to NY, had to keep changing hotels for security reasons (JDL), who wrote the most famous lines of the speech Arafat gave (Darwish).
      10mins radio prog.

  4. Kathleen says:

    The place is packed. No empty seats. Standing ovation. The world is behind the Palestinian bid

    • Dex says:

      Jordan pulls up from 18 feet — Stockton hand in his face — it’s good!

      Lebron pulls up from 18 — Terry hand in his face — we interrupt this program…

      Standing ovations are fine and dandy….R-E-S-U-L-T-S are what matters.

      A good start though…I hope!

  5. Kathleen says:

    abbas can say the Nakba at the UN. In Israel and I believe in the West Bank this is now illegal to whisper Nakba

  6. Kathleen says:

    Peace talks in early Sept in 2009..the quartet

    We entered those talks with open hearts and ears. After this we did not give up. Over this last year we kept knocking on doors…we positively considered all proposals from many parties and countries…repeatedly smashed across the rocks by the Israeli government….Israel refuses to ignore UN resolutions and frantically continues to build illegal settlements…..settlements are the core of the colonialism…racism…settlements expansion primary reasons for the breakdowns for movement towards a just peace….horrific picture of the expansion of settlements in various units in the West Bank and the Arab part of Jerusalem and the annexation wall swallowing up Palestinian lands

    THE PLACE IS PACKED

    Ethnic cleansing pushing people out of ancestral lands, no permits for building…occupying power still excavating Palestinian properties

  7. Kathleen says:

    Abbas

    Racing against borders…criminal actions of armed settlers who enjoy special protection of the occupying army..these settlers attack and kill Palestinians, their fields , crops, trees, These are just a few examples of the abuses.

    This policy will destroy the possibility of a two state solution

    I call this aloud these illegal settlements are undermining the Palestinian Authority”

    Is the Israeli Rep in the room?

  8. Kathleen says:

    abbas reminding the crowded room what Arafat said in 1974 “Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand”

    1948 Palestinians uprooted from their homes.

    Absence of absolute justice….we went for relative justice 22% of historic Palestine in 1967 a “historic step” historic compromise. In the years that followed Madrid conference, the Oslo agreement.. MUTUAL recognition..we persevered. All of this shattered on the illegal Israeli settlement expansion.

    • RoHa says:

      “Absence of absolute justice….we went for relative justice 22% of historic Palestine”

      I’m glad he pointed out that out.

      Abbas may be a colourless, illegitimate leader who has spent too much of his time being too cosy with the Israelis, but he has said what had to be said.

  9. Kathleen says:

    Commitment to non violence…demanding non violence from the illegal Israeli settlers and from the Israeli Defense forces

    “We extend our hand to the Israeli government and to the Israeli people”

    • hophmi says:

      “We extend our hand to the Israeli government and to the Israeli people”

      Which we are doing by refusing to negotiate.

      • eGuard says:

        hophmi: … by refusing to negotiate.

        Meanwhile, after Oslo, settler number grew from 40 000 (1991) to 500 000 (2011).

      • Which we are doing by refusing the charade of negotiations which Israel offers, but will negotiate when they are serious. There, fixed it for you.

      • Shingo says:

        Which we are doing by refusing to negotiate.

        Which we are doing by signing the same Road Map agreement that Israel signed, which required Iarael to atop building setllemrmts in 2002, before negotiations were to begin.

  10. Kathleen says:

    Abbas is being clear crisp on target

  11. Kathleen says:

    Abbas saying the time is up for conducting “business as usual”

    Occupation on the ground entrenches the occupation changing the demography of the Palestinian people “this is totally unacceptable” clapping lots of clapping

    A MOMENT OF TRUTH. Last people to remain under occupation. Will it allow Israel to continue to ignore UN resolutions the International Criminal court?

    63 YEARS OF AN OCCUPATION…Nakba

    ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH

  12. Kathleen says:

    Standing Here, Being here, Staying here…We have one Rule
    TO BE….chills

  13. Kathleen says:

    So tonight on the MSM we will hear this speech spun like crazy.

    Few empty seats, some sitting no clapping, some sitting clapping, many standing and clapping, some standing clapping and shouting. Go Abbas

  14. Kathleen says:

    Far more people standing and clapping. Camera person doing a fair job

  15. Ira Glunts says:

    At the beginning of the speech, Avigdor Leiberman and Yuli Edelstein (Minister of Hasbara) walked out of the hall, leaving one representative of the Israeli delegation present. Netanyahu is in a side room reportedly putting the final touches on his speech. (Ha’aretz)

    • Kathleen says:

      Which what we will hear on the MSM tonight. All about Israel

      How many times will Bibi repeat the myth that Palestinians have walked away from the table. He will say what Dore Gold said on Talk of the Nation the other day..we never agreed to stop the settlements…it is such a small piece of land that we are talking about. What are they so upset with?

      He will repeat what a good friend the US is.

      He will not address the illegal settlement issue at all

  16. Taxi says:

    “Enough, enough, enough!”, Abu Mazen said.

    Very emotional hour.

    Good luck Palestine, from the bottom of my heart.

    • annie says:

      i burst out crying. i’m such a woos

      • Kathleen says:

        no tears but lots of chills

      • Never apologise for caring. It’s powerful to hear it said it out loud to the world, and for all the Palestinians to hear a simple truth about the vile occupation and its ugly enforcers.

        • annie says:

          thanks justice. between this and irvine11 it’s been an emotional day. they didn’t get jail time, community service. i hope they appeal the conviction.

        • john h says:

          Response from Palestinians (maannews):

          “It’s just wonderful, it’s very emotional”

          “It’s like a Palestinian wedding”

          “I’m so lucky to live to see this day, us having the courage to say no to everybody. To see that Abbas does not care what Obama wants, but what his people want.”

          “Today we got back our dignity. Obama and America can go to hell. We don’t need their money, we need our dignity,” said Majed Hussein, a government employee who watched the speech in Nablus.

          “It’s a historic, rational speech,” added 55-year-old Mohamed Abu Atwan, who listened to the address in Hebron. “He talked to the world in clear language and he spoke the words that Palestinians have always been saying.”

        • American says:

          Amen and Amen and Amen!
          Abbas knocked it out of the ballpark.

  17. Koshiro says:

    If East Jerusalem is to be the capital, how do you explain the Palestine Papers revelations that showed “the PA’s willingness to concede areas of occupied East Jerusalem to the Israeli state,” as the Electronic Intifada put it?

    That is actually fairly simple: The resolution aims for a Palestinian state to be established, with a legal claim on all the territory beyond the green line.
    After this is accomplished, the two states of Israel and Palestine can still conduct negotiations on an exchange of territories on a bilateral basis – as equals.

  18. Dr Gonzo says:

    Was a good speech touched on all the major issues. Some highlights

    - Congratulated South Sudan on attaining a UN Seat.

    - “The colonial policy of Israel is responsible for the repeated failure of negotiations.” – Abbas

    - “The occupation is racing against time to redraw the borders on our land.” – Abbas

    - “This is a moment of truth … Will the world allow Israel to continue the last occupation in the world?” – Abbas

  19. Whizdom says:

    Netanyahu up soon. Wonder how many standing ovations his remarks will get? How will he play this? Aggressive? Conciliatory? petulant? I wonder if there wil be any walk outs.

  20. Parity says:

    MSNBC ran Abbas for a few minutes then let some commentator take over! I did not want to listen to the commentator instead of the speech, so I switched to CNN, which ran the entire speech. Then CNN had Richard Haas (Jewish?), president of the Council of Foreign Relations, comment on the speech. He did his best to downplay the speech and try to deflate all the hopes raised. Such bias!

    • seafoid says:

      The MSNBC report on the speech was desperately poor.
      I’m sure Fox was equally dreadful.

    • Kathleen says:

      Haas tries to pretend he can look at the other side. As biased as Friedman.

      Hope folks keep track of how this is spun tonight. The bias the focus on Iran. Will they say illegal settlements one of the biggest problems. Will they ever get close to saying how many experts have finally come out and said this conflict is a National Security issue for the US

  21. tod says:

    Does anyone want to guess what bullshit will Netanyahu bring to the table?

    • I’m watching now. It’s clear he’s given up on the UN and is pitching directly at the American public. We don’t need no steenkin UN when we got the US govt and media in our pocket.

      • tod says:

        That’s exactly what I thought. Bringing Brooklyn into the conversation, and stuff. I watch the USA most than other people and I have no frikin’ idea what the distance between Cincinnati and Bumhole University, or whatever, is.
        This was clearly directed at the USA media to spin into oblivion.

        On the other hand, lies, and lies, and lies. Very convincing lies, I give him that. I find it hard not to hate this guy when I see how absolute his lies are when blood still keeps pouring with his direct approval. A very nasty and dangerous man indeed.

      • Chu says:

        lol, what a hustler.

    • Charon says:

      It was actually worse than I guessed. He threw in mythology and lies. He equated the Palestinians with terrorists trained by Iran. He essentially said he is not giving up and property but they can have a state. He said the “Jewish State” thing is non-negotiable which was never a pre-condition nor a part of neighbor’s treaties. He contradicted himself. Watching that old Ben Nitay video on youtube where he repeats the common rhetoric, at least he looked then like he was intelligent and spewing nonsense knowingly hoping people would pick it up.

      After today, it’s clear he’s lost his marbles. The two-state solution was already dead, but he spit on its grave today

      • sammy says:

        “After today, it’s clear he’s lost his marbles. The two-state solution was already dead, but he spit on its grave today”

        Agreed, he wrote the script for one state. All his arguments point to a one state

      • Chu says:

        Israel will not be satisfied until the Al-Aqsa is destroyed and the Third Temple is rebuilt. Part of their dream is getting control of the foundation stone, and they’re soo close to it. How can they retreat at this point, I’m mean there only Palestinians, right? It’s Gods will.

        • hophmi says:

          “Israel will not be satisfied until the Al-Aqsa is destroyed and the Third Temple is rebuilt.”

          What the hell are you talking about? Very few Israelis care about building a third Temple.

        • annie says:

          Israel will not be satisfied until the Al-Aqsa is destroyed and the Third Temple is rebuilt

        • Chu says:

          come on, numb-nuts. Building the third temple may bring the arrival of the moshiach. Learn your Jewish history.

        • hophmi says:

          You’ve got it backward. Most Jews believe that the Third Temple should not be built until the coming of the Messiah. Those who believe in building it now are a small minority.

        • annie says:

          what does isrsael’s policies have to do with ‘most jews’. look whose ruling the place. wake up.

        • Chu says:

          Here’s a great map on the excavations:
          link to alt-arch.org

          see section 3: Tunnel excavations following the Six Day War.
          It has a excellent graphic on the Temple mount.

        • Shingo says:

          Most Jews believe that the Third Temple should not be built until the coming of the Messiah. Those who believe in building it now are a small minority.

          Before Israel was created, most Jews believed that Israel would not be created until the coming of the messiah. Those people are today a minority. 

    • Walid says:

      “Does anyone want to guess what bullshit will Netanyahu bring to the table?”

      He will surely bring out the holocaust and how Israel wants to live in peace with its neighbours and how much the Palestinians don’t really want to negotiate. He’ll make you cry. He’ll even make Annie feel sorry for Israel the underdog surrounded by all these savage Arabs. He’ll surely say how much he loves Obama and how he finds him just and wise and a great friend of Israel.

      It will be a speech for the American and Israeli public as he doesn’t really give a shit what the other 191 members think of him or his crappy little country as long as he’s got the US in his pocket.

      • annie says:

        He’ll even make Annie feel sorry for Israel the underdog surrounded by all these savage Arabs.

        i do not watch or listen to him, not me. i’ve been glued to twitter re irvine11. what a horrible moment when the verdict came in.

        • hophmi says:

          The Irvine 11 verdict is a victory for free speech, and against the anarchy organized disruption seeks to foster. Whether it’s Michael Oren or Mahmoud Abbas, a speaker deserves to speak without being the target of organized disruption.

        • Walid says:

          I didn’t watch him either, Annie, I find him nauseating. I watched all of Abbas’ speech though and was disappointed by him as usual. He went through a long historical summary on the evils of Israel that everyone already knows so the time he was given was wasted in trying to get more people sorry for the Palestinians. I would have liked to see him spend most of his time stressing the 63 years unjust aspect of the wait and contrast it with the 5 minutes it took the Libyan rebels to be accepted and the 20 minutes it took South Sudan to get admitted into the UN. Someone rightly wrote here today on another thread that it’s time all these worn out and failed old timers to retire to give a chance to some dynamic young Palestinians to carry on with the battle.

          I was uncomfortable with Abbas’ speech too when for someone that is holding on to his office illegitimately, he started off on how the PA has done so much to setup infrastructures, reform the judicial system and other improvements such as in women’s rights and democracy in general and he just stopped short of mentioning Intel and the cherry tomato.

        • seafoid says:

          Walid

          It was pretty good speech considering what ‘Abbas is trying to do.
          He could have spoken about South sudan but he could equally have spoken about the injustice of Germany and Poland shafting the Palestinians because they didn’t want their Jewish problem any more. But what would that have achieved ?

          He presented a good image to the world of the sha’ab al filisteeni and he hit a couple of high points. Most of all he appeared very reasonable and not rabid like Bibi.

        • Hopper, you wouldn’t know free speech if it bit your ass

      • tod says:

        You’re spot on! :D
        The guts on this guy! Incredible!

        First he was like all tough: We are Israel, you are stupid! You were wrong before and we where always right. I hope you learn from us you stupid world.
        Then he was like puppy eyes: We are a small country, surrounded by savages! Only true democracy (I hope some Egiptian plants a shoe in his face soon. With or without the foot.)! We are defenselessness and afraid!!!
        Then he was like all childish: We gave the Palestinians our toy and they didn’t want it! Please US make the mean Palestinians go away! Boohooho!

        • Walid says:

          Tod, Netanyahu has been making the same speech for decades with a few variations here and there and spiked with talks about the new Hitler in Iran. He never surprises so listening to him is irritating and a waste of time. I watched all of Abbas’ speech waiting for the final punch line and hoping with a lump in my throat to see if he had found religion at the last minute and decided to go for an Observer State seat in the GA or continue in his resolve to throw the fight by applying to the SC. He disappointingly threw the fight. The show he put on appeared meant mostly for the restless natives back home because at this late stage of the game, speeches don’t sway anyone.

        • Chu says:

          Not very adult-like behavior from a state that has 200 nukes. yikes.
          did he look something like this?
          link to the-nightmare-before-christmas.wikia.com

      • Chu says:

        And what a show it will be. Netanyahu plays his magic whistle to sedate the giant elephant under the circus tent, while the crowd boos since they have seen this show too many times.

  22. BillM says:

    The Wrong Side of History Watch:

    link to telegraph.co.uk

    18:16 (13:16) Not everyone was cheering for Abbas at the UN. AFP was watching US ambassadord Susan Rice:

    Rice led the US delegation listening to Abbas’ speech in the General Assembly hall. While the Palestinian leader was given wild acclaim at the end of his speech, Rice and two other US diplomats sat in silence and did not applaud. The Israeli delegation, led by deputy UN ambassador Haim Waxman, also remained stoically immobile during the raucous applause.

  23. Kathleen says:

    And as he spoke as we comment illegal Israeli settlements and illegal housing in E Jerusalem keeps growing with the Jewish only roads in between connecting them.

  24. BillR says:

    Not to be a killjoy, ok that’s not true I am trying to be a killjoy, I think the bid for UN recognition is a very bad idea. In that spirit I am offering a link below for this argument. The writer actually has more in common with Mondoweiss than I do, in so far as he accepts the Walt/Mearsheimer thesis of a genuine US “national interest” that has been hijacked by the Israeli lobby, a thesis I think is patently wrong. But his analysis of reasons to oppose Abbas and the PA’s bid for UN recognition is–I believe–right on the money. His summation of what has befallen Palestinians since Madrid and then Oslo is also, I think, very pertinent to the present situation and I hope very sobering for many on this site.
    Sincerely,
    A Killjoy

    link to counterpunch.org

    • kapok says:

      I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad idea. But it’s probably pointless. Abbas will be given a plaque and a certificate to hang on the wall of his new, bigger office. But when he looks out his window he’ll see the same Merkavas. Nobody ever gave up anything because someone laid a guilt trip on him.

  25. sammy says:

    Bibi extends his [empty] hands to everyone including Iran and Palestinians.

  26. Kathleen says:

    Bibi “I extend my hand to the Palestinian people”

    You know he is going to bring up how the Bible told him so. Ethnic centric our people add so much to the world.

  27. Kathleen says:

    there he goes our ancient biblical homeland. This is going to be repeated over and over again.

    Unjustly singled out for condemnation. Well if Israel would stop violating more violations than any other nation. He is going to start banging on Iran Iran

  28. Yes Mr Netanyahu, you can’t make this shit up. No animosity just chrystal clear judgement, sans the disguise.

    This is such a sad issue to witness, the biblical people of God, seeking peace through war.

    Do the truth Mr Netanyahu lead with peace.
    The world will follow.

  29. MRW says:

    Look at the number of people who left their seats during Netanyahu’s speech.

  30. Kathleen says:

    Bibi “you could not make this thing up”

    You bet your ass. The very body that CREATED Israel is the very body Israel refuses to abide by those resolutions.

    “house of many lies” Israels house
    “the light of truth shines even if only for a few minutes”

    “the truth is ” not many people applauding

    AND THE SETTLEMENTS KEEP GROWING, CONFISCATION OF MORE PALESTINIAN LAND IS HAPPENING AS HE SPEAKS.

    Few believe you Bibi. Very few

  31. Kathleen says:

    He is going to use his time to stir up Islamophobia..this is pathetic. It is going to move into bad bad Iran. How many unsubstantiated claims will he repeat

  32. Charon says:

    LOL, 9/11… Iran nukes…

    “militant Islam”

    Grow up Bibi

  33. MRW says:

    He’s talking Iran? And 9/11?

    • Kathleen says:

      Holocaust, signet ring, Bible tells us so,Islamophobia…get the draino out all of the same shit is clogging up the pipes

      • seafoid says:

        Bibi and Israel are like the Coasters who swept NYC in 1956 .
        And the Palestinians are Elvis Presley. It is 1958 and the world is about to change

        You ain’t nothing but a hound Dog, crying all the time, Bibi.
        Nobody listens to the coasters either.

  34. Kathleen says:

    9/11..Iran….Islamophobia….and he has the balls to bring up being armed with nuclear weapons.

    THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THESE CLAIMS.

    This will be the line on the MSM tonight. Nothing about illegal settlements, nothing about Israel being in violation of more Un resolutions,

    he is disgusting…such a liar. As if illegal settlements help Israel’s securities

    They have never stopped building illegal settlements

  35. Kathleen says:

    Israel has never frozen the settlements. Partial moratorium. Partial.

  36. MRW says:

    What a prevaricator.

  37. kalithea says:

    The hopes of billions of people around the world for the recognition of a Palestinian state rest with the U.S. realizing that this grave injustice against millions of Palestinians suffering for decades cannot and should not continue. The U.S. would not accept decades of military oppression against any other nation in the world! Why deny millions of people, suffering for decades, their God-given freedom? A U.S. veto will smash the dreams of Palestinians, all hopes for peace, the will of billions of people worldwide and legitimize the ongoing Israeli Apartheid solution.

    I cannot believe that Susan Rice, a proponent of human rights, remained seated at the end of Abbas’ brilliant speech with a grim look on her face! Would that Obama could have delivered a heartfelt speech from his conscience instead of a speech devoid of all authenticity and genuineness and straight from the Aipac script set to the teleprompter.

    Obama is about to make a momentous decision: Will he stand on the right side of history in defense of human rights and freedom? Or will he smash all hope and plunge the world into more darkness and war, and by standing with oppression and denying the will of billions and the rights of millions, annihilate all U.S. credibility for years to come, and be propelled into the pages of historical infamy and hypocritical irrelevant influence?

    As Abbas stated: I have come to say, after 63 years of this tragedy, the Nakba, (the suffering of the Palestinian people)…Enough. Enough. Enough!

    The General Assembly should stage a mass walkout on Netanyahu’s Apartheid Platform.

    • kapok says:

      “I cannot believe that Susan Rice, a proponent of human rights, remained seated at the end of Abbas’ brilliant speech with a grim look on her face!”

      …anything for the dough.

    • seafoid says:

      The ‘Abbas speech
      Ma sha allah

      link to gadebate.un.org

      • john h says:

        Thanks seafoid for this link.

        I have read only the first part of the speech and find the truth is very clearly spelled out. Only blinded minds and hearts of stone cannot see or accept it, and be moved to strongly support the justice for Palestine that has been so denied for so long.

    • Chu says:

      Guess I will check the speech later. Susan Rice is a bad actor and a poor diplomat. i posted a video above in Feb 2011 of Rice getting flustered by a few questions posed by an unfriendly media interviewer. Rice looks foolish in the interview, because the usual western media-hack-journalists would only throw her softball questions. Phonies like Jake Tapper, etc. Thanks for the update.

  38. Kathleen says:

    Remember that Israel has turned down international observers many times through the US’s veto power in the National Security council

  39. Gotta love how Netanyahoo uses english rather than hebrew

  40. Kathleen says:

    He is pulling out every racist and over used card in the book.

    The Bible says it is so
    Iran Iran Iran
    Islamophobia
    9/11

  41. Kathleen says:

    “Recognize a Jewish state” What the hell did he just say…he eats all of his words within seconds

  42. kalithea says:

    OMG! The racist speaks. He’s laying out his apartheid platform.

    Why are those people subjecting themselves to this bullshet?

    WALK OUT! WALK OUT! WALK OUT! WALK OUT!WALK OUT! WALK OUT!WALK OUT! WALK OUT!WALK OUT! WALK OUT!WALK OUT! WALK OUT!

    MESSAGE TO THE U.N.: Stop legitimizing APARTHEID….don’t give this racist a platform for Apartheid. For God’s sakes WALK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. MRW says:

    Netanyahu’s trying to say that his last name is on a seal from 2700 years ago.

    He took on the name of Netanyahu. His father’s original last name is Mileikowsky. His grandparents came from Lithuania and Minneapolis.

    • tod says:

      “You can’t make this shit up!”
      I didn’t know! Amazing!

    • kapok says:

      Tuscany for the Tuscans!

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      Netanyahu’s trying to say that his last name is on a seal from 2700 years ago.

      He took on the name of Netanyahu. His father’s original last name is Mileikowsky.

      LMAO. Oh, man, what a loser.

      I’m going to change my name from “Woody Tanaka” to “Hamilcar Barca” and claim all of Tunisia. “Off of my land, bitches!!!”

    • seafoid says:

      “Netanyahu’s trying to say that his last name is on a seal from 2700 years ago”.

      He is the walrus

      • What a fraud. But he does epitomise the whole fake history and false appropriation of tragedy for his own greedy ends that has been painstakingly put in place. And not an ounce of shame.

        • seafoid says:

          He’s the top Zionist dog. The ideology is really in trouble.

          He is just spouting the same garbage they have been trying to sell since 9/11.

          Stand with Israel or stand with terror. FFS.

          Get Your War on, 8 august 2008

          - So Iraq is almost fixed. We’ll leave by 2010 or whenever. We can drop off a final load of food in Afghnaistan on the way home. Then everyone will come home. the end
          - What happens if there’s another terror attack?
          - Why would there be another terror attack ?

          I feel so sorry for anyone in Israel with kids. What a fcked up state it has become. Led by a mendacious charlatan.

        • annie says:

          look at those empty seats. people were leaving.

        • seafoid says:

          They brought in rent a crowd as well .

          Bibi has nothing to say. Events have corroded his narrative to the point where it is incoherent.

    • Kathleen says:

      He has used that line and the signet ring many many times during speeches

    • RoHa says:

      “His grandparents came from Lithuania and Minneapolis”

      So Lithuania and Minneapolis should be part of the Jewish State. Just common sense.

  44. Israel v/s Iran. The speeches.

    I can see NPR selling this as a documentary series for $149. The two speeches in a series called the bookend edition of The Echo Chamber speech given at the U.N. by Mr Ahmadinejad and Mr Netanyahu.
    These preconditions load the dice to never-ending negotiations that threaten to start and restart over and over- eating up time until the game is up. Land gobbling all the meanwhile.

    Hey, maybe Mr Netanyahu is the Messiah. President Obama has some serious competition, the race to make Peace will determine if either of these two can qualify for their particular delusion.

    Great show gentlemen.

    Just do it Mr Netanyahu.

  45. Elisabeth says:

    One lie and distortion after another in Netanyahu’s speech. The most idiotic perhaps the ‘proof’ of his own ancient roots in the country: An ancient seal with the name Netanyahu that was found near the western wall.

    Well, the seal should have said Miliekovski to prove anything because THAT was his grandfather’s name before he CHANGED it to Netanyahu. What a joke.

  46. hophmi says:

    Most of the Arab delegations walked out for Netanyahu’s speech. No surprise; the Arabs have never truly accepted Israel.

    And I bet Abbas would trade all the applause in the UNGA for one round in the US Congress.

  47. hophmi says:

    “My takeaway from the Netanyahu speech: There was nothing new, and we heard much the same from his speech in front of the US Congress. Netanyahu has no strategy but occupation and settlements. How will that play in a new Middle East, one where people power is beginning to matter? ”

    I heard several requests for the Palestinians to negotiate. So what’s stopping Abbas from sitting down with Netanyahu right now?

    • Dex says:

      There is nothing to negotiate genius. It’s ’67 borders, E. Jerusalem as a Pal capital and a just settlment to the RoR issue…..OR BUST!

      Israel had 20 years to negotiate, instead we all know what it decided to do. And NOW, all of a suddent, they want to “work it out?” Get the “f” outta here!

      It’s 67 borders or one state pal. Your little kids will be playing with dark-skinned kids at school. Can you handle that?

    • Kathleen says:

      Turn up your hearing aides for heavens sake.

    • Koshiro says:

      “So what’s stopping Abbas from sitting down with Netanyahu right now?”
      The realization that it would be pointless and his time would be better spent doing just about anything else?

    • Chaos4700 says:

      The pogroms? The expansion of settlements? The economic blockade? (Because the West Bank is surrounded by Israeli forces too.)

  48. Jeff Klein says:

    Netanyahu made essentially a campaign speech aimed at American Jews and Israeli voters back home. Notable, I thought, was how the Israelis managed to pack the visitors’ gallery, punctuating Netanyahu’s speech with applause, which, when re-played in hasbara videos, might lead viewers to imagine widespread international support.

    Contrast that with the loud and obviously heartfelt ovation from the delgates welcoming Abbas to the podium.

  49. sammy says:

    Fantastic rebuttal of Netanyahu’s speech on Al Jazeera English, this is what Americans should be hearing

  50. BillM says:

    Wow. I wasn’t expecting much, but that was a very weak speech:

    1) It started off horribly, with the list of insults to the UN. After that, who was there left to convince? There was just red meat for the true believers.

    2) “Militant Islam,” “Al Qaeda,” “Iran,” “Nukes,” “9/11.” rudy Giuliani couldn’t make that line work in a Republican primary, how is it going to convince the world?

    3) Finally onto Palestine, it turns out Palestinians will get a state only after they (1) accept a permanent military occupation, (2) accept Israel as the “Jewish state” and Jerusalem as Israel, and (3) accept Israel’s historic connection to “the hills of Judea and Samaria.” Assuming they accept all that, how would their future state look any different from the reality today?

    Netanyahu remains a fine speaker, but this speech was remarkably weak. It gave supporters a few lines to quote, but that’s about it. Looks like a disastrous rear-guard action.

  51. Kathleen says:

    And here is what we are getting out of the LIBERAL blogs front pages
    LIGHT SPEED +
    Researchers Believe Particle Traveled Faster Than Light, Rocking Major Theories
    link to huffingtonpost.com
    Obama Campaign Urging Supporters to Tell Congress to Support American Jobs Act
    link to firedoglake.com

    Salon
    link to salon.com

    • BillM says:

      That’s nothing. Did you read DailyKos’s report on the UN speech by Obama (you know that guy they follow religiously)? It turns out, Obama spoke about gay rights. Period. End of story.

  52. Diane Mason says:

    If East Jerusalem is to be the capital, how do you explain the Palestine Papers revelations that showed “the PA’s willingness to concede areas of occupied East Jerusalem to the Israeli state,”

    Are you serious?

    The PLO seeks recognition of a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders (including East Jerusalem) but will agree to minor land swaps, as long as the land Palestine receives in return from Israel is equal in size and quality to what it cedes.

    In the Old City, this means the PLO would be willing to cede the Jewish Quarter and probably the Armenian Quarter. In Greater Jerusalem, it would be willing to consider ceding the settlements ringing East Jerusalem, except those that make meaningful territorial contiguity impossible, specifically Ras al-Amoud and Jabal Abu Ghneim. In return for giving up land to Israel in Greater East Jerusalem, the PLO wants land of comparable value in Greater West Jerusalem. Specifically, the Palestinian villages depopulated by Israel in 1948, but never subsequently redeveloped, which would offer the opportunity of a literal right of return for thousands of refugees.

    As realists, we might both consider it unlikely that Israel will ever agree to such a deal, and as a one-stater you might not like it even if they did. But that doesn’t mean you should pretend the logic behind it is fallacious or difficult to understand, when it isn’t.

  53. Kathleen says:

    Counterpunch loaded up with articles about the speech, the bid etc
    link to counterpunch.org

  54. annie says:

    IRVINE11 GUILTY on both counts!

    screaming mad. they’ve criminalized protesting AGAINST WAR CRIMES america’s justice system hold israel crimes dear while squashing american rights.

    A SAD DAY FOR AMERICA

  55. kalithea says:

    At this historic moment, Netanyahu’s speech was the most insipid diatribe every delivered by a state leader next to Obama reading the Aipac script off the teleprompter. And Netanyahu’s attempt to link his name to an inscription on a relic of ancient history is the height of Zionist delusionary conceit and hubris.

    • Charon says:

      I LOL’d when he made the correlation. Netanyahu and Obama’s combined speech is a declaration of war. Obama made Israel out to be the victim and said virtually nothing of the Palestinians. Netanyahu’s truth was embarrassingly laughable. It was directed at a compassionate Zionist audience only. It leaves nothing for the Palestinians. One state is now the only solution to the conflict

      • seafoid says:

        The Israelis are completely dependent on the continued ability of the lobby to deliver the political support of the Dumb American goy cohort. Zionism is too inflexible an ideology to be self supporting and has all its eggs in one fading US basket.

    • Chu says:

      The zionist teepee is smoking some serious dust. These people are loopy weirdos. The circus came to NYC this year.
      This is good stuff that our sad media doesn’t know how to deliver to the public. What fun, and all they can do is wait for their paychecks, while delivering the usual dog & pony ‘middle east’ show.
      what losers…

  56. eee says:

    Wonderful speech by Bibi. One day the Palestinians will come to their senses and negotiate. That is the only way to a peaceful solution.

    • Talkback says:

      The Palestinians allready came to their senses and realized that “negotiation” is just a hasbara code word for “prolonged occupation and settlements”.

      Everything what Israels wants is Palestinians to give up their (international recognized) rights. It has nothing to offer and it certainly doesn’t want peace. When there’s to much calm it kills Palestinans to provoke retaliation.

    • Chaos4700 says:

      I can just see it now. Eee and Bibi standing over mass graves and shouting down into them, congratulating the Palestinians on their “peaceful solution.”

    • mig says:

      eee :

      “Wonderful speech by Bibi. One day the Palestinians will come to their senses and negotiate. That is the only way to a peaceful solution.”

      ++++ Here is another wonderful speech by Netayahoo, The Man of Peaceful Final Solution

  57. Parity says:

    CNN had some balance after all in that after Netanyahu’s speech they had two split-screen commentators who took the sails out of his speech as well.

    • kalithea says:

      How could they not demolish it? I mean that speech was the epitome of fantasy and futility. The man is so bloated with Zionist superiority, he thought that his mere presence sufficed to make a statement.

  58. Chu says:

    Oy Vey. Let the media propaganda campaign commence. They must’ve been sitting on this ripe nugget for sometime. Lol!!!
    what desperate tossers…

    Calif. Muslim students guilty of disrupting campus speech 1:51 p.m. CDT, September 23, 2011

  59. kalithea says:

    The Serbian delegate was speaking. You know you’ve sunk to the bottom, when Serbia that perpetrated genocide and ethnic cleansing against Bosnians and Kosovars, sides with you…Israel. Remember Srebrenica. Remember Deir Yassin, Sabra and Shatila, remember Cast Lead and on and on.

  60. Whizdom says:

    Two interesting developments. 1) The Quartet met and issued a statement similar to Sarkozy plan, talks within a month, agreement in 6 months and implementation complete with in a year, and 2) The UN announced the UNSC would take up the Palestinian application on Monday.

  61. eGuard says:

    Strange: when I google “UN GA” I get the main UN site (OK then), but when I google “UN GA ABBAS” JPost gets the first mantioning. And UN not in the first three pages.

  62. Ira Glunts says:

    The bad news is that Bibi will never make peace with the Palestinians. The good news is he will tell that to you loudly and clearly. This is from his speech today:

    I believe that in serious peace negotiations, these needs and concerns can be properly addressed, but they will not be addressed without negotiations. And the needs are many, because Israel is such a tiny country. Without Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, Israel is all of 9 miles wide.

    And to defend itself, Israel must therefore maintain a long-term Israeli military presence in critical strategic areas in the West Bank.

    I often hear them accuse Israel of Judaizing Jerusalem. That’s like accusing America of Americanizing Washington, or the British of Anglicizing London. You know why we’re called “Jews”? Because we come from Judea.

    So how do you — how do you protect such a tiny country, surrounded by people sworn to its destruction and armed to the teeth by Iran? Obviously you can’t defend it from within that narrow space alone. Israel needs greater strategic depth, and that’s exactly why Security Council Resolution 242 didn’t require Israel to leave all the territories it captured in the Six-Day War. It talked about withdrawal from territories, to secure and defensible boundaries. And to defend itself, Israel must therefore maintain a long-term Israeli military presence in critical strategic areas in the West Bank.

    • Kathleen says:

      “The good news is he will tell that to you loudly and clearly.”

      Good news it is not.

    • Taxi says:

      “… And the needs are many, because Israel is such a tiny country. Without Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, Israel is all of 9 miles wide.” Bibi Mileikowski.

      And a coupla statements after this ridiculous excuse for Apartheid, he actually rapidly let slip: “The israeli public aren’t ready for this”, ie: negotiating returning any land back. WHICH CAN ONLY MEAN ISRAELIS WANT PEACE AND PALESTINIAN LAND TOGETHER: THEY WANT EVERYTHING! Heck somebody ought to tell the PM of Apartheid israel that leaders are supposed to LEAD their people to READINESS!!!!!! Why haven’t the israeli public been made “ready”? EVER? Because they’re a nation of racist spoiled mother effers who’ve become so outta touch with humanity itself due to their decades-long excessive entitlements and violent indulgences.

      Everything that Bibi Mileikowski uttered today we’ve heard a thousand million times already and for decades – word for word we’ve heard it before form the msm, from pundits on the right AND on the left, even from eee, DBG right here on Mondo. And so in his copiously boring ‘lecture’, the dishonorable Prime minister Bibi Mileiokowski’s delivery was arrogant, mean-spirited and down-right bullyish.

      Who the fuck does he think he is – talking down at the whole world like that?! You’da thunk we’re all on his frigging kitchen payroll!

      And here I have to mention the grotesque ‘applauders’ of his speech: all white-skinned, ex colonials! And all briefed/coached to clap hard and loud and long to give the impression of grander support. Buncha tricky Dickies! I hope they all taste a foreign boot on their teeth one of these days!

      Today should be remembered as Apartheid israel’s ‘Black Friday’. The darkest PR day in the history of zionism. The day the world saw actual bullshit coming out of Bibi Mileikowski’s mouth and boomeranging right back at his face in public. As he spoke, you could actually tangibly feeeeeel most of the world doubting his sincerity – you could feel the world’s repulsion at his cynicism and warmongering. He disgraced himself oh so splendidly!

      Apartheid israel will NEVER recover from today’s events. Ever. Neither will Aipac.

      Just watch the decline in zio popularity even right here on our American shores and from here on. Like my non-voting, over-beached, middle-class, white female neighbor said to me two hours ago: “I don’t like Arabs, something ’bout them, but you gotta admit: the jews are killing them and they’re lying to us ’bout it and that ain’t exactly good for us.” Uhuh, this woman doesn’t care for the rest of the world but she sure as hell is noticing the bad deal we’re getting from the ‘special relationship’. I was amazed she even brought it up to me as I’ve never had a political discussion with her before. Needless to say, I did give her a quick lecture on the difference between judaism and zionism and that she should probably not lump all zionists together and call them “jews”.

      But by god this was a rare and stellar day for Palestine!

      I reckon it’s gonna keep trending that way. No foreseeable reversal is showing in my crystal ball.

      • MRW says:

        I like the Bibi Mileikowski, Taxi.

      • seafoid says:

        “But by god this was a rare and stellar day for Palestine!”

        Sah kalamik wa sah kalam ummik

        That whole zionist worldview has run out of road. “Israel is only 9 miles wide from Qalqilya”. Maybe you built your Zionist altneuland in the wrong part of the world, Bibi.

        He said maybe they could give the Palestinians a few bantustans , demilitarised. Bukra fi mishmish, habibi. It’s always about war and another holocaust. Prussia redux

        VERY interesting snippet in the Economist about this other warmonger (since tamed). “Post war Germany bound itself with rules and treaties in order to resist past temptations : a strong constitution to restrain politicians, fiscal rules to banish hyperinflation and the EU to tame nationalism”.

        link to economist.com

        Israel is off its tits on nationalism , has an out of control army, is not part of any political union and has no constitution. Worth thinking about.
        Reform is going to be brutal.

  63. MRW says:

    TURN OFF THE AUTOPLAY FOR THE U.N. VIDEO

  64. Donald says:

    “TURN OFF THE AUTOPLAY FOR THE U.N. VIDEO”

    Seconded.