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today is a big day October 15th International Day of Action. here is an OWS user map for the US. there are over 650 cities globally taking action today according to International Commission of Sol, in Madrid.
whoops, i better amend that. according to nbcny there are 951 cities in 82 countries participating.
Rome was huge, but went sour. All that will be talked about is the violence and vandalism of the “black bloc” (whoever the hell they are) – which will be instrumentalised to discredit and curtail further protest.
Just what happened at the last G 20 protests in Toronto.
And the G8 in Genoa in 2001, and a couple of the student protests in Rome last year. Former Italian president Francesco Cossiga also admitted that it had been government policy to plant such provocateurs in left-wing demonstrations in his time, and suggested that Premier Berlusconi adopt similar tactics (judging by some of the evidence from last years demos, he took Cossiga’s advice).
It’s hard to say who the thugs at today’s protest were (dressed mostly in black, helmeted, gloved, faces covered, carrying clubs and other goodies), and there certainly have been violent factions on the Italian left, but there has also been a history of government use of agents provacateurs of various kinds. Today’s spectacle certainly plays into the hands of the government. The thugs were contested by many of the demonstrators, who shouted “get out of here, bastards”.
Historically there has never been a successful movement that did not have a mix of methodologies, and those being more controversial (at least in today’s pathetic atmosphere). How one avoids being infiltrated by provocateurs is by holding close the mix so that you know who is genuine and who is not, not by isolating and ostracizing them – many times the force of the direct action has caused the oppressors to turn to the more so-called “reasonable element” out of fear, it is the job of those called upon not to become the tools of the oppressor and just continue the same exploitative process.
Without the mix, in this instance the so-called black bloc, what do you expect to accomplish? Change by chant, movement by marching, fire by candlelight? The forces you are up against cannot be reasoned or shamed into change, the only language they understand is force – you can tel by how often the asses in power apply it. Just some food for thought, if anyone wishes to do any profitable thinking and get some substantive results.
VR,
I’m all for “profitable thinking”, and do not object to the use of violence per se. In this case however, the violence really would seem to be extraneous to a movement that is, for all intents and purposes, still in diapers and easily set back. A different “mix” (if and when the movement matures a little) might make the use of provocateurs less effective or attractive, but provocateurs can always escalate violence in quantity and quality, damaging the credibility of a movement and general sympathy with its goals. Modern Italian history offers many lessons in this regard.
At the risk of being accused of being repetitive I will post a link I have used a number of times in the past –
pacifying resistance
Apparently Shmuel many do not realize the direction they are heading in, these fellows (global wrecking crew, capitalist cadre, whatever you wish to call them) are playing for keeps – they are not going to stop till we re-enter the ranks of feudalism, I don’t think people who think they “have something” realize this fact. We are not talking about a reform issue here, not some slight adjustment, but revolution (or at least i am).
The infacy of the movement is going to be taken over by the reality that there is no intention of substantive change coming around the corner. You might think I am not being realistic and only time will tell, we will wait for the next crash that will make the last one look like a party, then let’s see what happens. You are always going to face the prospect of provocateurs, soon it will not matter who is one or not. Why don’t you take a tour of my site, look specifically at the dates when the posts were written and compare what I wrote with what eventually happened, or follow the archives here – see how many times I have been wrong in my judgement calls (I am not saying I am infallible, just that I know the nature of the beast).
You don’t have to convince me, VR.
shmuel, this reminds me of what happened in seattle during the highly publicized ’99 WTO conference there. i attended the march and speeches earlier in the day. there were thousands of people attending and 99.9% were peaceful demonstrators.
RE: “Catch the spirit– how Wall Street occupiers averted eviction” ~ Annie
MY COMMENT: Adam Klugman’s radio program today is mostly about the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement.
You can listen to “Mad as Hell in America” with Adam Klugman on AM 620 KPOJ (Portland, OR), Satudays from 3:00-6:00 pm PDST [6:00-9:00 pm EDST]
TO LISTEN LIVE - link to 620kpoj.com
ARCHIVED PODCASTS – link to madashellinamerica.com
RE: “Catch the spirit– how Wall Street occupiers averted eviction” ~ Annie
SOMEWHAT RELATED: The Merkel Doctrine: Tank Exports to Saudi Arabians Signal German Policy Shift ~ By Holger Stark, Spiegel Online, 10/14/11
ENTIRE THREE-PART ARTICLE – link to spiegel.de
P.S. This is real journalism (as opposed to what you usually see in the NYT, WaPo, etc.!
This: link to youtube.com
is the best video I’ve seen on OWS. It is a MUST WATCH.
10.000 protesters in Berlin, Germany on Saturday. 6.000 in the Germany’s banking capital, Frankfurt.