Above is more video from the settler attack on Israeli leftists from over the weekend. Notice the acquiescence (and participation?) of the police.
Watching this I can only believe that the pure fury the settlers display towards the activists is a sign that they know their world is crumbling around them. The activists represent a reality the settlers know to be true - the era of Israeli impunity is coming to an end and their days are numbered. Their illegal and immoral crusade to colonize all of historic Palestine is increasingly being exposed and rejected. The world is watching and has deemed their presence, and worldview, illegitimate. I suspect we'll see many more videos like this, with increasing violence. Those who believe in Greater Israel will fight until the end. The death throes of an idea can be a very dangerous time.
If there is no occupation there will be no jobs for thousands of Israeli police. No jobs for tens of thousands of soldiers. Israel can’t create jobs for so many uneducated lower middle class people.
Yes, there will be jobs, initially. Housing needs to be built in pre-1967 Israel for the returning (repatriated) settlers. Building trades provide jobs (used to be jobs for Arabs).
and their days are numbered
That is the question, is it not? As the legitimacy of settlers is being called into question, a substitute must be found if the colonial enterprise is to continue. That substitute is violence. I see no particular reason that a state that believes in blood and soil, the cleansing nature of violence, and messianic rebirth needs to disintegrate quickly when it looses all moral legitimacy.
nazi germany sure disintegrated quickly and lost its moral legitimacy. granted it took a war for this to happen, but international pressure (BDS, BDS, BDS), especially putting an end to the israeli-u.s. special connection would get the job done
Id like five minutes alone with that guy who hit that woman at the 4:15 mark.
Un-friggin-be-lievable.
Im sure he is just “one bad apple” right eee? right LLI? right Witty?
I cant believe I just watched a video of jewish skin-heads ( most of whom are in the IDF for sure, note the close cropped hair and military time piece on all of them). Im really at a loss.
Crowther,
You can get as much time as you want with him. Just get on a plane and go there.
What are you implying Crowther, that Israelis are especially bad, say compared to Americans? You want to compare crime rates between the two countries? Percent of people in jail? Choose your comparison.
People act in bad ways when they get provoked. This does not justify their actions. It is your camp that wants to frame this as a non-violent protest against some colonial entity. What you will get is masses against masses and a civil war. So continue with your provocations, and we will all reap what you are sowing. I have better things to do with my life than get in the middle between two radical groups.
“What are you implying Crowther, that Israelis are especially bad, say compared to Americans? You want to compare crime rates between the two countries? ”
1. We rock
3. You suck
if that doesn’t put “Crowther” off, ee, bring up Poland and the suffering of the Jewish people throughout every single minute of eternity.
This is a very elegant version
no matter what the cause teh west and its people have continued their history of persecution of jews.give them an excuse and they will jump at the jews.and try and grab them by their necks.but are necks are no longer at the mercy of western man.we will react
What does this sentence by Crowther mean:
“Im sure he is just “one bad apple” right eee? right LLI? right Witty?”
Is he not implying that Israelis are prone to hitting women?
Of course, that is what he is saying. If you believe that also, just say it.
eee, Twice now here you have drawn a conclusion based on your own interpretation. This appears to be something that you Zionists all have in common and is rather dangerous. This mentality on a much larger scale leads – and has lead- to Israel’s preemptive war or strikes on say the Iraq nuclear facility (which upon inspection in 2003 by the US turned out to be harmless).
Other examples of this psychotic behavior are IDF preparing for violent demonstrations because they assume non-violence will eventually lead to violence. Or Iran saying Israel should be erased from the pages of history becoming ‘wiped off the map’
Must be a product of the paranoia you have been subjected to.
Israelis seem to be prone to making women sit at the back of the bus. What does that say?
israelis, especially the settlers/military are prone to hitting not only palestinian women, but children and elderly people.
Choose your comparison?
I choose the comparison:
israelis in palestinian prisons versus palestinians in israeli prisons.
Gilad Shalit is the “proverbial” fingernail.
eee,
first, let me say, your defense of a grown man hitting a woman ( a cheap shot no less) is disgusting. That you would say he was provoked into hitting that woman says it all, just totally disgusting.
Objecting to a man hitting a defenseless woman is “radical” in eee’s eyes. WOW. Just WOW.
As Ive said before,
FAH-Q, eee
Since eeejit is keen to compare the USA and Israel, let’s be accurate and compare his indifference and insouciance about violence against Palestinians, the racism and aggression, to defending the KKK. These are the guys who parallel the settlers. Not that he cares, as he constantly makes clear.
Crowther,
Where did I say that it was justified to hit that woman. It was not. It was a despicable act. But yes, he was provoked into hitting that woman. That does not make it the woman’s fault she was hit. It is all his fault, but he was provoked.
And yes, that woman is a radical, like it or not. Who spends their lives shoving cameras into other people’s faces hoping to film something she can then post on a blog to show how bad Israelis are?
The people of Anatot are regular middle class Israelis. They are not saints or devils. There are certainly hot heads there like in any community. If your strategy is to ferment violence between Palestinians and Israelis, you are succeeding.
eee,
What I meant by “one bad apple” is that he is in no way just “one bad apple” – Am I saying that Israeli’s are prone to hitting women? No, Im not saying that. What I am saying is that ( as evidenced here) when people disagree with and voice their opposition to, Israeli policies and especially the settlers, it seems like all norms of civilized existence are thrown out the window by the Israeli settlers. So its no different to hit a woman who disagrees or opposes than it is to hit a man. That, I would say, is key differentiator.
As for a woman standing by herself, alone “provoking” that thug to hit her, while she wasnt looking and had no way to defend herself is basically the same as blaming the rape victim for the dress she was wearing. And again, I cant overstate how disgusting I find this.
Im just glad that it is in “internet ink” so all here can read your defense of these fine, upstanding “middle class israelis”
“Am I saying that Israeli’s are prone to hitting women? “
Read the police blotter in Haaretz. They most certainly prone to hitting women, and anybody else they can get their hands on.
Crowther,
Yes, you can try wiggling out of your offensive generalizations, but as you say, it is all in “internet ink”. You just dig your hole deeper by generalizing about hundreds of thousands of Israelis that are settlers based on the actions of a few. In short, you are a bigot.
If poking a camera into someone’s face for long periods of time is not a provocation, I don’t know what is. Again, it does not justify one bit what the guy did, but he was provoked. I am not blaming the woman for being hit. It was not her fault at all. But what she did is a provocation. If some American woman burns a Koran and a muslim kills her, is the killing justified? Of course not. Was the muslim provoked? Of course.
eee, what was it about her behavior that was so provocative?
>> If poking a camera into someone’s face for long periods of time is not a provocation, I don’t know what is. Again, it does not justify one bit what the guy did, but he was provoked.
Bullshit, eee. These fanatics left their homes, walked out of their compound, confronted the protesters and stuck their faces into the cameras.
All they had to do was stay home and watch TV. They chose not to. They chose instead to form a mob and attack these people. The attack included a sucker punch on a woman. It also included the use of a concealed shiv on some dude’s face.
Do you support the arrest of these people? In Canada, the attack with the shiv might cost you several years in prison. Do you think this will happen here? -N49.
eee,
How many videos do we need to see of Israeli’s unleashing violence on groups of people protesting non-violently before we say “i guess this is accepted in Israeli culture?”
You call me a bigot ( which, is hilarious, i might add) – but here you are defending a man blind-siding a defenseless woman because “hes on your team”
If being against violence on the defenseless and the female makes me a bigot, fine. I’ll wear that badge proudly. And if making generalizations about all these settlers makes me a bigot, im ok with that too. I find these people repugnant.
I still cant believe someone is willing to defend a grown man hitting a woman in the face with all his might. Am I crazy?
Especially seeing as the same excuse is gven by mist men who beat their wives.
Perhaps it’s the same excuse eee uses at home?
Question: “when did you stop beating your wife”
Answer: “when she stopped provoking me”
Rania,
The proximate cause was pushing the camera in the faces of the people there. The deeper cause is the following. The people of Anatot are hard working middle class people. They bought a house, a considerable expense, and they have a deed to this house. It is the Israeli government that sanctioned this, not them. The international observers should go and bother Bibi, not them. They should work through the Israeli court system if they want to. But if they want to be in the face of these people telling them to leave their homes, they should understand that this is a provocation.
Of course it wont – and that piece of sht knows it, thats why he did it.
And lets also make clear that his cohort made sure that he was able to “get out of there” quickly and safely. Disgusting. Bash a woman in the face and then run. What more is there to say?
Crowther,
Show me ONE place where I defended the despicable act of hitting the woman. Just ONE quote.
Who spends their lives shoving cameras into other people’s faces hoping to film something she can then post on a blog to show how bad Israelis are?
Those Israelis are all puppets of the cameras, are they ?
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears and it isn’t filmed are the settlers decent people ?
“Who spends their lives shoving cameras into other people’s faces hoping to film something she can then post on a blog to show how bad Israelis are?”
Those Israelis are all puppets of the cameras, are they ?
If a tree falls in a forest and nobody hears and it isn’t filmed are the settlers decent people ?
eee,
its a pretty simple concept. by trying to mitigate the wrongness of what that guy did – by saying he was “provoked” by a woman with a camera, you are defending what he did. its as simple as that.
in my world, there is no excuse – in yours, there is. its as simple as that.
Show me ONE place where I defended the despicable act of hitting the woman. Just ONE quote.
Here you act as the attacker’s apologist:
If poking a camera into someone’s face for long periods of time is not a provocation, I don’t know what is. Again, it does not justify one bit what the guy did, but he was provoked. I am not blaming the woman for being hit. It was not her fault at all. But what she did is a provocation.
He was not provoked, eee. The protesters were standing outside the gate. They can’t poke the cameras into the settlers’ faces so long as the settlers stay at home and mind their own business. Instead, the settlers charged out of the gate and attacked the protesters.
And if they don’t want protesters outside their gate, they should pick up and move somewhere where title is not “contested.” -N49.
I didn’t see her push a camera into anyone’s face. And I didn’t see anyone bothering the settlers; they were helping a Palestinian man plant trees on his own property when the mob arrived to stop them. What you are saying is that this woman’s political opinion, in and of itself, was enough of a provocation to earn her a violent assault. The settlers left their wonderful, hard-earned homes, knowingly purchased on stolen land, with the intent of harming the activists on account of their political opinion. These people were helping a Palestinian man plant trees on his own, rightfully owned, property. To you, anyone who expresses or harbors a political opinion in contravention to that of the right-wing extremists deserves to be beaten. Their mere existence is a provocation and an existential threat to the State of Israel, much like the cameras that they possess. She deserved to be beaten, just like Palestinian children deserve to be tortured.
“The people of Anatot are hard working middle class people. They bought a house, a considerable expense, and they have a deed to this house. ”
Translation. The people of anatot are lower class Israeli trash who can’t afford a house in Israel. They know they are going to be shafted by the same Israeli government who sent them to anatot rather than regulate the housing market in Israel.
“They have a deed to the house”. FFS. Go to Burj al Barajneh, eee. everyone in the camp has deeds and keys.
Here are more Lovely Jewish Boys videoed by the dude who took the video above .
link to youtube.com
N-49
Were the activists there as “protesters” or as protecters? I’d say the inhabitants of the stolen land were the protesters – against the mere presence of Palestinians on their own land, attempting to work it, and what’s more, with the assistance of people they believe ought to support their land theft! How dare anyone challenge their supremacy, fully supported and underwritten by their state, no less!
Crowther,
Yes, continue with your slithering. How did I mitigate what the guy did if I called the act despicable?
Let me repeat my example. An American woman burns a Koran. A Muslim man kills her. If I say that the Muslim was provoked am I mitigating the unjustified murder? Of course not. The Muslim was provoked. His act is still despicable and in no way mitigated.
Rania,
Let’s say 100 Iraqi Jews from Israel with deeds to their houses in Baghdad went and camped in front of those houses, tried planting trees in the garden etc. do you not think this would be a provocation even though they believed that they were on their “rightfully owned, property”?
They would have a half life of 30 minutes, and I would call them dumb. Sometimes being smart is not being wise. Both sides in Anatot are quite unwise.
“If being against violence on the defenseless and the female makes me a bigot, fine. I’ll wear that badge proudly. And if making generalizations about all these settlers makes me a bigot, im ok with that too. I find these people repugnant.”
Oh my God, an American who will not accept the moral judgements of an Israeli. I bet Dan wouldn’t even be disturbed if “eee” called him an “anti-Semite” Looks like hell is going to be a lot cooler than I thought.
I must say, eee, I really enjoy the patronizing tone that you always seem to use with me. I can’t decide if it’s because you hate Arabs, Americans, or women. It’s probably a combination of all three. That’s what makes conversing with you such a consistent delight.
So, you think these non-violent activists should have known better than to help a Palestinian because obviously it would provoke the settlers into violently attacking them? And beating non-violent activists, attempting to stab them, sending them to the hospital, and verbally haranguing them with insults of being traitors, Arab-lovers, and whores is merely “quite unwise” on the part of the settlers? You are a piece of work. You know, here in the United States, our government gives asylum to people who are persecuted on account of their political opinion by groups that their government is unwilling or unable to control. But according to you, those activists should just be happy they weren’t killed, as they would have been had they provoked Arabs. Isn’t that what you’re saying with your ever so clever Iraq analogy?
So why even bother mentioning it? Provocation seems only worth a mentino when you are confronted by the images of settlers lunatics doing their thing.
eee,
In your scenario, does “the muslim” get away the murder, as WE KNOW this guy will ( get away with bashing that woman in the face)?
Thats what this is really all about, right? The fact that this dude will maybe have to do some community service or something. In my world, the murderer goes to jail and so does the guy who hit the woman. Only, once inside, the murderer probably gets a little respect for defending his faith, while the woman beater probably gets raped.
You give me examples and hypotheticals about imaginery crimes, while VIDEO EVIDENCE of exactly the kind of violence you speak of is the subject of the blog post this comment thread is on. Welcome.
Ive seen the footage, a woman is standing by herself next to a pole — before this, you can see her at the 3;40 mark, in the bright pink shirt, nothing in her hands, sifting through the mess of men pushing – she looks like she is trying to spot her husband/brother/son– as she is standing there a guy seems to look around quickly and then bash her in the face. But he was provoked………..
I will give you credit for saying that what he did was wrong, but I cant understand trying to rationalize this type of violence (on a woman especially) – I totally reject the idea that a woman can incite a man to violence against her, short of her drawing a fire arm or otherwise having the means to do serious bodily damage to the man. This falls well short of that.
I think, eee you get so caught up in defending your team that you lose a little bit of perspective. I cant imagine you would accept the “he was provoked” line if someone did this to your mother or your sister. I doubt seriously that you would be willing to discuss any type of rationalization from the man who hit them to anyone taking his side in the argument.
Do I think Israeli settlers are prone to violence? yes. Do I think they distinguish between men and women? Ive seen little evidence they do.
Would I like to see this guy get sent to an American prison and have the whole prison know this guy likes to hit women? yes, yes i would.
In any democracy, this would be deceided in a court of law. Israel is not such a democracy.
KKK, brown shirters, these settler mobs all engage in terrorism against a designated scapegoat(s)
Let’s say 100 Iraqi Jews from Israel with deeds to their houses in Baghdad went and camped in front of those houses, tried planting trees in the garden etc. do you not think this would be a provocation even though they believed that they were on their “rightfully owned, property”?
eee, The tape indicates the provocation was the hoisting of the Palestinian flag several hundred meters away from the settlement gate. It was this little fluttering spec in the distance, apparently, that enraged these “good, decent folk”, to paraphrase your characterization of what everyone else sees, plain as day, as batshit crazy thugs. -N49.
The video is a snippet of a provocation that is going on a few months. You are badly mistaken if you think this is an isolated incident. Again, I am not justifying their action, just explaining to you the provocation. These people are fed up with someone camping in front of their homes for months telling them to move.
Illegal Israeli settlers have been invading Palestine for DECADES and stealing homes and waging pogroms but it’s the PALESTINIANS — the people under siege, being stolen from, under attack — they’re the ones provoking the armed, militant Israeli invaders?
>> You are badly mistaken if you think this is an isolated incident. Again, I am not justifying their action, just explaining to you the provocation.
eee,
Well, actually your are not explaining the provocation to us. You are alleging that there was in fact a provocation. But it sounds like you are in touch with someone in the community — is this correct? If so, why don’t you invite them to detail the various and sundry provocations and we can post it here on Mondo. I am sure Adam and Phil would provide space for these settlers to air their gripes with the protesters. Then we can weigh this against what we saw in the video, including, for example, a settler dude walking into an group of unarmed protesters with a concealed knife and stabbing one of them in the face.
These people are fed up with someone camping in front of their homes for months telling them to move.
Yeah, I would advise them to get used to that. They should cut a deal with the owner and I am sure the problem would go away. -N49.
Fed up with people protesting, unarmed, on their OWN land? Get a grip. Sometimes I wish they banned your inane ridiculous “analysis”, but at the same time it is ammusing, and let’s us repeatedly look into the twisted “mind” of a full time Israel apologist.
Your hypocritical bias is so steep, yet effortless, I stand amazed at how that brain functions…. you must exasperate anyone you engage in debates with, regardless the subject matter.
eee, have you meet the protesters and witnessed protests? i HAVE. you CLEARLY have not. do NOT equate largely secular palestinian protesters accompanied by internationals and israelis with the settler fringe. NO comparison is possible.
the settler fringe is not provoked, they are aggressive expansionists who generally dish out collective punishment on unarmed civilians, without even a proposed “provocation”. yes, *sometimes* they cite some “provocation”, which is often palestinians legally using their land (that they covet). rarely, they are “responding” to the occasional act of terrorism, but this is the rare exception, and of course, their collective punishment response which includes beatings and mosque burnings is wholly insane, illegal, and counterproductive. not to mention, the wrath of the IDF and shin bet is enough in itself.
understand there are two particularly radical groups, one on each side, in the west bank.
1) the settler fringe which has some willing accomplices in the IDF and border police
2) a tiny fraction of palestinian resistance fighters who espouse violence on israeli civilians (practically nonexistent in the west bank, yet they pop up organically at times, such as murders or throwing rocks at settler cars etc.; deplorable).
and get this through your head…. when palestinian kids throw stones at planned unarmed demos on their *own* land, this is largely an impotent exercise in symbolic resistance. i despise it, but the bigger question is, WTF is the IDF doing going on palestinian lands, and often going into their villages. they use it as target practice, training, and a way to play games with the natives. talk to any soldier involved, or watch the videos, and you can see how it is a casual game and they even have some fun with it…. they are not fearing for their lives, despite your inflated fears of rocks (which can be dangerous…. especially on civilians. please go to hebron or other hot spots, and prevent those settlers from hurling rocks at unprotected palestinain kids going to school in their ancestral homeland.)
your focus is so biased and unproductive, you sicken me. we all have criticism for actions on both sides. but you keep sliding into a might makes right paradigm, rationalize why the insane settlers do what they do, and keep suggesting “negotiations are the only way forward”. i think the daily settler violence needs to be reeled in before palestinians can have any HOPE to sit down and talk. do you agree? do you scream that the IDF and border police need to stop this violence and collective punishment, for oh so many reasons (immorality, counterproductive, barbaric, lawlessness, etc.)?
i agree, we need negotiations, but they will ONLY yield peace if YOU and the rest of us, pressure israel to offer a VIABLE resolution. absent a sea change is israeli opinion, jewish opinion, and world pressure, negotiations will just be a repeat of the sad history. ugh. you offer nothing but empty words, and can ride the imbalance of power straight to hell, and a “1 state” created through ethnic cleansing. do you realize that is what your thrust yields, or are you just dense?
anonymouscomments,
The people in Anatot are not the settler fringe which you discuss.
But as for the substance of your argument, there was already, what I believe, a viable resolution that was brokered by Clinton in 2000. If you accept the Clinton parameters, we are in business. If you don’t, then what do you mean by “viable resolution”?
The people in Anatot are not the settler fringe which you discuss.
Apparently, they are. Live and learn. -N49.
Scraping the barrel with 11 year old proposals, (or merely diverting) which were spun heavily afterwards in the usual Israeli fraudulent way. It is obvious what a viable resolution would be, it is not news, Israel won’t even consider it. Do some reading.
What you believe eee? Is that your way of you lying when you know that to be false?
WTF are you talking about? Israel is in gross violation of the linton parameters you idiot. Or are the palestinians suposed to accept the Clinton parameters while Israel reject them?
eee, we come at it for different reasons but I am a staunch supporter of salvaging the 2ss, and I accept the refugees from circa 1948 will likely be screwed out of their right of return. I unhappily “accept” this historic injustic, only because I know Israel well enough, and the other option involves Israel becoming fully fascist, fomenting gross ethnic violence, and ultimately carrying out further dispossession…. Which just kicks the can down the road, and enlarges Israel, but with added refugees.
So my position is clear, from analyzing the sides… Pressure needs to come down on Israel to possibly save the 2ss and make an eventual proposal acceptable to the bulk of Palestinians. You seem to always be defensive, excusing or explaining the “Israeli” side, and I hear nothing of your active pressure to save the 2ss, and hence your precious Jewish state.
Let me note that I prefer a full right of return, and a single state, but I have lived in Israel and know the leanings of the nuclear armed state and it’s populace. Hence I realize full RoR will not be consented to, thus hope Palestinians can accept an historic injustice, in order cement an end to the daily injustice of occupation and colonization, etc. But I think we have similar views on how the conflict will likely be best resolved, for all parties, despite my shame in the specifics.
But my CONSTANT question I pose to you is: who do you think threatens this concept of peace the most? Who do you think your main audience should be? Where do you think you can effectively advocate to save the fading idea of a 2ss?
I suggest the settler fringe, the Israeli right, and the actions on the ground are where you should focus your efforts. Self-criticism should be your manta, I believe, if you want to save a 2ss, let alone what little morality is left in the Israeli state. Anti-Zionists and the idealistic left are minute, but further they are sincere and pose no harm. In fact, if they grow, which they are (though are still minute), they will only serve as a positive force to center the debate, and offset the expansionist right. You need not agree with them, yet can still rejoice in the fact that they may at least edge debate in Israel back to a place from which, in time, Israel will offer terms which are viable. Just? No, Israel represents the abuse of power and was built on dispossession, but they can at least offer genrous terms which cement a viable peace between two states…. Are you helping?
Who is your enemy? Why are we your focus? Where do you think Israel needs to move, left or right? I am quite sincere…
Hence suicide bombings right eee? You’re nit justifying suicide bombing, but if Israel continue with their policies, they will sew what they reap.
Is that what you’re saying eee?
He must be forgiven.
How can it be a crime to be:
Young, Jewish and Proud ?
“Young, Jewish and Proud ?”
Well, you might want to back off on the “proud” thing, what with circumcision and all.
:-)
Have we come to expect anymore from the settlers? Or eee for that matter? They will continue this anarchy for millenniums or until Israel is “foreigners” free. Who’s gonna stop them? The police? The state? A newfound morality?
“who’s gonna stop them?
the worldwide justice for palestine movement
No need to translate the death threats and revolting, particularly sexist insults hurled by the settler thugs. They’re pretty clear from the physical violence they used against the non-violent Israelis who came to show their solidarity with Mr. El-Rifai.
It is worth translating the gist of El-Rifai’s words at the beginning of the clip however. This man’s land has been stolen and enclosed behind the settlement fence, his grandfather’s tomb has been desecrated, and his olive and fruit trees destroyed. What did he have to say? He spoke about CO-EXISTENCE and wished his Jewish friends a shanah tovah! Incredible.
link to kibush.co.il
Thanks brother Shmuel.
Adam, settlers have been assaulting leftists for decades. Are you sure that the current assault carries some implicit meaning today that is different than assaults in the 80s, 90s, or oughts?
“Adam, settlers have been assaulting leftists for decades.”
Oh “leftists”! ROTFL!
Mooser, did you read Adam’s description of the video? Here, I’ll help:
“Above is more video from the settler attack on Israeli leftists from over the weekend.”
Maybe you feel Adam should change that?
These settlers are really aggressive people. That’s why nobody in the world wants them back i think..
“That’s why nobody in the world wants them back i think”
You said a mouthful, kursato. I shudder at the thought of having those oinks back here in the states.
Didn’t you hear? Brooklyn has refused to take them back, they arranged a lease for them to resettle on Bainbridge Island I believe it was.
I don’t think we have to worry about them coming back. Sure we’ve heard how some Israelis are getting American citizenship as ‘insurance’ but I doubt any of the extremist settlers bothered to do so. Ultra Orthodox have been illegally settling in their “Judea and Samaria” for centuries. They would come there on religious pilgrimages and never leave. The modern state of Israel made it a little easier to become permanent residents so now there are a lot more of them . They are extremist nutters who would fight to the death before leaving their ‘homeland’
“they are extremist nutters who would fight to the death before leaving their homeland”
not necessarily so -
after the french were defeated in algeria did the french colons there fight to the death? no, they went back to france
after mozambique attained independence did the portugues settlers there fight to the death? no, they packed up & returned to portugal
post-liberation in south africa, did the european settlers there fight to the death? no, most stayed, although many immigrated elsewhere
so after palestine is liberated what’s the chance that the jewish settlers will fight to the death?
fat chance, that’s what
Israel is where Jews can stand tall and declare what is good and what is bad. Have their own values without copying values of other peoples.
In the video we see a number of “traitors” who accompany a couple of “sojourners and trespassers” who insists on exercising their property rights in spite of 3000 years of Jewish history in that place. Legal authorities (religious law which trumps mundane law) say that “Jews” (actually, 12 tribes of which Jews were two?) got the land FOREVER. This means that it is like “unspendable ruble” from a Russian tale: regardless how many times you pay with that coin it is back in your pocket.
The question is if American really share this value system.
“The question is if American really share this value system.”
As far as I know, they do. Ever seen what Americans do with credit?
Anyway, if the economic situation in the US gets worse, and Islamophobia is effective, well, lets just say my “Christian” neighbor has a sign on his window “Stand with Israel” He’s never known a Jew, and he hates me (sent letters to my wife’s employer filled with completely imaginary charges against me) but he’s ready to “stand with Israel” And his son is in the Army.
“I suspect we’ll see many more videos like this, with increasing violence. Those who believe in Greater Israel will fight until the end. The death throes of an idea can be a very dangerous time.”
Yes. Israel loves violence. Jews were not allowed to practice violence for so many years that some (many?) came to lust for it. POWER! GRRRRR! And it will be hard to give up the settlements.
Economic pressure, and very fast, will be better than any other method for rolling back the settlement project and ending the occupation.
But Israel’s violence is only one among many violent confrontations happening and to be anticipated as global warming and neoliberalism crash the system
But Israel’s violence is only one among many violent confrontations happening and to be anticipated as global warming and neoliberalism crash the system
link to youtube.com
Nothing at all can be expected
Except for the use of violence
Nothing at all can be changed if
Evolution turned us to silence
“Jews were not allowed to practice violence for so many years that some”
There are no women or children in Judaism?
This is very disturbing
Jewish extremists torch mosque INSIDE Israel citing “price tag”
link to haaretz.com
superb hasbara technique over at haaretz
link to haaretz.com
• how many finger pointers here protested when americans destroyed iraqi mosques (No. 4 everything sucks)
o harzion
o 03.10.11
o 14:39
destroyed by american soldiers whereas here we have a crime committed by those who have nothing to do with the state.
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the truth is we are feeling history.a history that has pointed at and persecuted the jews (No. 1 We rock because we are special, so f*cking special,)
o harzion
o 03.10.11
o 14:37
at the slightest excuse.no matter what the cause teh west and its people have continued their history of persecution of jews.give them an excuse and they will jump at the jews.and try and grab them by their necks.but are necks are no longer at the mercy of western man.we will react.
That is shocking, considering the location. The bedu of Tuba generally got along with the Rothschild immigrants, even protected them during the Arab uprising in the ’30′s. A long history of coexistence. Shattered.
The statement put out by the Quartet calling for negotiations without preconditions surely does not mean that grave war crimes committed by Israel every day [ ie,citizens of the occupier being transferred into occupied territory contrary to Art 49.6 fourth Geneva convention 1949 and ICC Rome statute 1998] are permitted…….does it? The Israelis are saying we want to negotiate without preconditions but we also want to continue committing war crimes against you every day, a truly preposterous position. The Israeli position rejects all International Law and UN resolutions on that subject, therein lies the problem. Unfortunately I am not sure the Quartet do not share the Israeli position also [Russia's position most strange] see also Anis Nacrour, Blair’s former political advisor channel 4 Dispatches Wonderful world of Tony Blair, who says,the inception of the Quartet was a smokescreen for the actions of the US and Israel buying time for allowing the Israeli Government to do whatever they wanted to do ie facts on the ground.These are not particularly difficult matters of consequence to understand a five year old could grasp them,unfortunately Israel and the West have been feeding this pap to the PA for years and genuinely expect them to keep swallowing. A viable Palestinian state means the PA must resist this pressure, it will be severe, it is not for me to say they must be prepared to suffer, unfortunately it is the only way.If they do they can be assured that the majority of right thinking people all over the world will stand with them.
The Israelis are saying we want to negotiate without preconditions but we also want to continue committing war crimes against you every day, a truly preposterous position.
Well there is the precedent of Vietnam 1969-1972. The Vietnamese talked with the US while the US continued to drop bombs on them. We know that half of US casualties occurred after 1968 and perhaps as many as a million Vietnamese died during those negotiations. The right to kill is an important bargaining chip that colonial and imperial powers reserve for themselves when negotiating with the brown people.
I wish that were true, that their position is crumbling, but unfortunately the unbelievable hatred, racism and fascism seems to be on the rise. The more the Palestinians make their point, via the UN or wherever, the more naked hatred these people express. Knowing that there is no sanction for their fascist violence, even believing it to be tacitly encouraged and endorsed by ogres like Lieberman and Yahoo, just makes it worse. The mask is removed, the steady, shadowy ethnic cleansing is abandoned in favour of naked aggression and theft and outright dispossession. Like rats when the rock is removed they run amok, while the zookeepers smile and joke. It may be a desperate urge to take more land before the curtain comes down, but their utter belief in their supremacy and the worthlessness of other human beings is chilling – and even more so when tacitly approved by the state which has generously subsidised them to be there in the first place. Israel has created a monster which is out of control. They seem quite content with it, judging by their shocking treatment of Palestinian women and children, and the people of Gaza – there is no depths to which they will not sink in their depravity and inhumanity.
Well said Justice, very well said and accurate
Yes indeed, very well said.
“Knowing that there is no sanction for their fascist violence, even believing it to be tacitly encouraged and endorsed by ogres like Lieberman and Yahoo, just makes it worse. ”
The no sanction and the tacit encouragement are also from further afield.
“Israel has created a monster which is out of control”.
Israel is a maniac country, a spoiled love-child of the Western powers, owned by them and owning them.
and the zionist entity knows that its protector, the u. s. of a. is a product of an even worse gencocide, one which it too sees no reason to apologize for
which leaves the jewish settlers* to say -
“considering how you americans treated the indians, what gives the u. s. government the right to tell us how to treat the natives in our homeland?”
not the right of the government, the responsibility of us all**
to make sure that our government not only atones for its historical mistreatment of our own native people, but that it doesn’t act in cahoots with any other colonial venture, including but not limited to the zionist entity israel’s occupation of the palestinians’ homeland
*every israeli jew except for those who actively support justice for palestine
**all, as in all for one and one for all
“Israel has created a monster which is out of control. They seem quite content with it, judging by their shocking treatment of Palestinian women and children, and the people of Gaza – there is no depths to which they will not sink in their depravity and inhumanity.”
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next
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The settlers will eventually start killing Jews over YESHA. They already tried to kill Sternhell.
Calling these people “settlers” is sidestepping the real culprits. They are Israeli colonists living on the wrong side of the line. But they are Israelis through and through and some are even government ministers. Those people that atacked the activists, torched the mosque and cut the olive trees are Israelis, not aliens from another world. As long as everyone keeps calling them settlers, Israel is not fingered for being behind all the evil. It’s not important if the al-Jalil arsonists came from this side or that side of the line, they are both Israelis.
The Jews in that part of the world seem to have discovered a taste for violence around 1946. And it is now part of their religion. And it is brutalising their society.
It was there long before 1946.
It is inherent in Zionism, as Jabotinsky so honestly and clearly spelled out for us in his 1923 The Iron Wall.
“Those who believe in Greater Israel will fight until the end. The death throes of an idea can be a very dangerous time.”
Way before 1946. The late 30′s saw thousands of deaths of Arabs at the hands of terrorists and their enablers.
“From October 1937 the Irgun instituted a wave of bombings against Arab crowds and buses.[120] For the first time in the conflict massive bombs were placed in crowded Arab public places, killing and maiming dozens.[120] These attacks substantially increased Arab casualties and sowed terror among the population.[120] The first attack was on 11 November 1937, killing two Arabs at the bus depot near Jaffa Street in Jerusalem and then on 14 November, a day later commemorated as the “Day of the Breaking of the Havlagah (restraint),” Arabs were killed in simultaneous attacks around Palestine.[120] More deadly attacks followed: on 6 July 1938 21 Arabs were killed and 52 wounded by a bomb in a Haifa market; on 25 July a second market bomb in Haifa killed at least 39 Arabs and injured 70; a bomb in Jaffa’s vegetable market on 26 August killed 24 Arabs and wounded 39.[120] ”
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This is worth a read
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Let’s just say, John , that there were no Zionists visible in Warsaw in 1944 .Jabotinsky talked a good talk but his ass was safe back in the Middle East when the Jews of Europe were being slaughtered.
You see, the problem is, a taste for violence isn’t much use over the long term without an incredibly high birth-rate. But I have no doubt the Israelis will dispose with all that clumsy Jewish morality if it interferes with the progress of the Israeli State.
But I have faith in Israel! I haven’t the slightest doubt they can bring their sexual morality into line with their political morality. It’s inevitable, so you Zionist women will just have to relax and learn to enjoy it. Does anybody know how you say “Strength through Joy” in Hebrew?
every jewish israeli is a settler, except for those who participate in the struggle for justice in palestine
Israel is going to end with Jewish hands soaked in the blood of their fellow Jews.