‘New Yorker’ defends Rosenberg (and use of term ‘Israel firster’)

Israel/PalestineUS Politics
on 49 Comments
MJ pic
MJ Rosenberg

The New Yorker and Jerry Haber are both pushing back against the smear campaign against MJ Rosenberg. Both sites implicitly defend Rosenberg’s use of the term Israel firster. Gosh, but we live in amazing times. First, Connie Bruck’s report on Rosenberg’s antagonist, Bill Kristol’s Emergency Committee for Israel, in the New Yorker:

In December, Rosenberg responded to the criticism of the term, “Israel firster.” “Can anyone argue with the assertion that, for neocons, Obama is always wrong and Bibi is always right? Not only that, they denounce those who dare criticize Netanyahu over anything while never ever letting up on Obama.” He added:

‘But I need to offer a clarification. By the term “Israel firster,” I do not mean that right-wingers and neocons who advance bellicose Middle East policies are putting the interests of Israel first…. They are putting the interests of Binyamin Netanyahu and his hardliners first. After all, if they were putting Israel first, they would not be promoting policies (such as war with Iran or the perpetuation of the occupation) that could very easily lead to Israel’s destruction or, at least, to the loss of its Jewish majority. The people I call “Israel firsters” are, in fact, “Netanyahu firsters.”’

The idea that Rosenberg (whom I have known for years as someone who is profoundly devoted to Israel and, at the same time, abhors the Israeli occupation) could be labelled an anti-Semite is an indicator of the lengths to which this smear-campaign has gone. It is hardly the first time in American history that those with a political agenda have sought to demonize others whose views they dislike, as a means of destroying them and silencing any potential sympathizers.

Judging by the virulence of the E.C.I. attack, the term, “Israel firster,” seems to have struck a chord. And while truth is generally an early casualty in the political heat of an election year, E.C.I. stands out in its disregard for it.

And here is Jerry Haber at the Magnes Zionist, calling out Rosenberg nemesis Alan Dershowitz as a hypocrite in a post that likens Rosenberg to Spinoza: “Spinoza and the Heresy Hunter from Harvard”:

For years I have been waiting for Alan Dershowitz to meet his Edward R. Murrow, and I believe that he has met him in M. J. …

M. J. accused AIPAC of being an Israel-firster organization, and that aroused the ire of Dershowitz? M. J. worked for AIPAC for years, and he knows whereof he speaks. I can tell you that many  AIPAC people I know, including relatives and friends, not only place Israel’s interests above American’s interest, they delude themselves into thinking that Israel’s interests are by definition identical with America’s interests.

M J allegedly tweeted in response to Dershowitz’s threats that he can go to hell. Dershowitz has responded by going nuclear.  Because of his fury at Rosenberg, he is willing to attempt to cost Obama the election if the White House doesn’t publicly distance itself from Media Matters, or if Media Matters doesn’t fire Rosenberg, such is his fervor of the heresy hunter scorned. This time he has set the bar high, and, optimist that I am, I trust that he will fail.

Liberal Zionists, I am talking to you! Stand up for M. J. and you are standing up for your own against the like of those who delude themselves into thinking they are liberal Zionists. Otherwise you will end up by saying

“I was silent when Dershowitz went after Norman Finkelstein because I am not Norman Finkelstein. I was silent when he came for Matar, Giora, and Sand because, well, I had never heard of them. I was silent when he came for a liberal Zionist like M. J. Rosenberg because I don’t tweet. Then when he went after me, nobody was there to help me….”

Perhaps there is a ray of light in all this. The Israeli Reut Institute last year outlined an Israel advocacy  strategy of driving a wedge between the liberal Zionist and the extreme left in Israel and abroad. For the most part, it hasn’t worked.  There is indeed a gap, but it is between the real liberal Zionists like M.J., Peter Beinart, Naomi Hazan, Larry Derfner, Michael Lerner, Leibel Fein, David Grossman, Amos Oz, as well as the activist groups in Israel like B’Tselem, Rabbis for Human Rights, Breaking the Silence, on the one hand, and the faux liberal Zionists like Dershowitz, Abe Foxman, Benny Morris, Ari Shavit, and all those members of the so-called “disappointed left” in Israel, on the other.

How do you distinguish between the genuine and the fake liberal Zionist? After all, both kinds say that they are for two states, oppose settlements and settlers, support  territorial compromise, etc. It’s very simple: if they publicly criticize Israel’s human rights violations; if they support groups that expose such violations; if they call out Israel’s elected leaders on matters of policy and morality –  in short, if they adopt the stance of moral critic because that is deep in their Jewish and mentshlich soul – then they are true liberal Zionists. All the others are deluded into thinking they are.

And no one is more deluded into thinking he is a liberal Zionist than Alan Dershowitz, who never ceases to remind his readers that  he opposes the settlements and supports the two-state solution.

49 Responses

  1. Krauss
    March 6, 2012, 10:25 am

    He left out Jeffrey Goldberg as another faux liberal Zionist. Although he is much more clever than Dershowitz(or at least he used to be but he has become much more rabid recently).

    Now he doesn’t even want to talk about the occupation. He only wants to talk war with Iran.

    Another ‘liberal’ Zionist.

  2. Bill in Maryland
    March 6, 2012, 10:27 am

    Kudos to David Remnick and Connie Bruck. But I think the sands are shifting under the feet of the Liberal Zionists and Remnick/Beinart/Ben-Ami et al will not be able to stay in the middle on Israel/Palestine. Because, to paraphrase Sarah Schulman who saw I/P up close and had a personal transformation of her activist soul, “Once you see it, it is clear.”

    • seafoid
      March 6, 2012, 11:12 am

      “Because, to paraphrase Sarah Schulman who saw I/P up close and had a personal transformation of her activist soul, “Once you see it, it is clear.””

      link to nybooks.com

      “On a presidential visit to Israel in 2008, Bush travels to Bethlehem by car rather than helicopter against the wishes of the Israelis because Rice wants him to see “the ugliness of the occupation, including the checkpoints and the security wall…for himself and [because] it would have been an insult to the Palestinians if he didn’t.” The barriers were taken down, the convoy traveled at speed, but Bush got the point, according to Rice: “‘This is awful,’ he said quietly.”

  3. yourstruly
    March 6, 2012, 11:01 am

    what distinguishes a liberal from a nonliberal human being?

    always siding with the oppressed
    never with the oppressor

    even when the oppressor is a fellow-national or co-religionist?
    especially then

    based on?
    one equals one

  4. mjrosenberg
    March 6, 2012, 11:23 am

    Thanks to Connie, Jerry and, of course, Phil.
    This can be a watershed moment.
    Thank you guys for all your support.
    This isn’t over. No doubt the forces that have suppressed discussion of this subject for decades won’t quit now.
    But, as Connie Bruck points out, the “Israel First” meme is driving them crazy. But even if none of us ever used it again (not likely), it is out there.
    and that, in a small way, makes war less likely.
    As Steve Rosen always said: “A lobby is a night flower. It thrives in the dark and dies in daylight.”
    It’s sunny today!

    • Susie Kneedler
      March 6, 2012, 1:04 pm

      Thanks, MJ, for all your work–especially for your valor in revealing what others fear to say: link to politicalcorrection.org
      and link to huffingtonpost.com.

    • DICKERSON3870
      March 6, 2012, 1:59 pm

      RE “As Steve Rosen always said: ‘A lobby is a night flower. It thrives in the dark and dies in daylight’.” ~ Rosenberg

      BRANDEIS: In 1913 Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, a forceful proponent for open government, stated “Sunlight is the best disinfectant; electric light the most efficient policeman”.

    • Taxi
      March 6, 2012, 3:08 pm

      Yesterday I laughed to read a poster on yahoo news calling another poster an “israel-firster’ for dissing obama and loving on bibi – and boy he said it with gusto and conviction that it started a chain-reaction upthread and people were calling each other “israel-firster” and “terrorist-firster” and “mullah-firster” and “fallout-firster” and even “poophead-firster” hahahaha I kid you not. Yeah it was comic surrealism to see how the term ‘isreal-firster’ has caught fire even at the lowly dirty yahoocomments dive bar.

      Tsk tsk tsk “… the center cannot hold”.

    • American
      March 6, 2012, 5:50 pm

      This, MJ is the best comment you have ever made….>>mjrosenberg February 28, 2012 at 1:46 pm
      You could get elected to congress on that and rid it of AIPAC.

    • Pixel
      March 7, 2012, 12:06 am

      I like your style.

  5. MHughes976
    March 6, 2012, 12:43 pm

    Spinoza is an interesting example of someone to whom membership of his original gang, faith, tribe came to mean nothing. He thought that the only relationship with God is ‘intellectual’ and his friends were the advanced and left-wing thinkers of his time. His contemporary and fellow radical on Bible matters, Hobbes, couldn’t quite bring himself to pull out of the Church of England in the same way.
    I’m sure Haber hits the nail squarely on head when he says that Israel Firsters are not people who consciously think that Israeli interests should be set above those of the countries where they live but people who think that Israel is our first line of defence against the barbarian hordes, though he doesn’t then really engage with what is strange in this idea. He assails those who claim to be liberal whilst showing no concern for the Palestinians’ human rights but doesn’t, any more than anyone else, explain how there can be a form of Zionism (special rights for Jewish people in the area) compatible with liberalism (equal rights for all everywhere).

    • Philip Weiss
      March 6, 2012, 2:46 pm

      true re spinoza, and haber says that. how many people achieve that relationship to their group? has this sort of identification decreased over time? any sign it is ending?

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2012, 3:07 pm

        “how many people achieve that relationship to their group? has this sort of identification decreased over time? any sign it is ending?”

        Are you talking about their objective relationship with the group (as determined by who, and how?), their perceived or subjective relationship with the group, or what they will say (and to who or even whom and under what circumstances) about their relationship with the group.
        Cause those are way different things.
        And we can argue about them all the way to greater Israel.

    • Pixel
      March 7, 2012, 12:11 am

      “I’m sure Haber hits the nail squarely on head when he says that Israel Firsters are not people who consciously think that Israeli interests should be set above those of the countries where they live but people who think that Israel is our first line of defence …”

      Rationalization.

      Israel Firsters are people who consciously think that Israeli interests should be set above those of the countries where they live.

      • Citizen
        March 7, 2012, 8:51 am

        Pixel, more true than not, so I agree. Their knee-jerk reaction to being hit with evidence shines through as they sputter out hasbara points of “light.”

  6. Newclench
    March 6, 2012, 1:14 pm

    “The Israeli Reut Institute last year outlined an Israel advocacy strategy of driving a wedge between the liberal Zionist and the extreme left in Israel and abroad.”

    I read this and couldn’t believe my eyes! I thought that was the strategy pursued on this site by Avi, Mooser, Chaos, Danaa and so many others. I guess they are in league with the Reut Institute.

    (Just using my ‘who benefits’ eyeglasses.)

    • Mooser
      March 6, 2012, 3:10 pm

      Okay Newclench, would you mind telling me how I benefit by “driving a wedge between the liberal Zionist and the extreme left in Israel and abroad.”?
      I’m sure you can do it in less than a paragraph, especially if you link to the financial records involved.
      Besides, what makes you think I would do anything but laugh at an “liberal Zionist” or use the “extreme left in Israel” as anything but a replacement for ipecac?

  7. piotr
    March 6, 2012, 1:18 pm

    I would repeat my question: why isn’t ECI radioactive for having on its board Rachel Abrams who advocated feeding Palestinians to “sharks and stargazers”? I guess Derschowitz would at least propose some orderly process, “shark warrants” signed by judges. Her blog reaches Nazi levels of fanaticism. Being attacked by such people should be a badge of honor.

    Similarly, look at this attack at participants of BDS conference at U Penn: “The macabre sight of the likes of Stella Kübler, (arguably Hannah Arendt) and the Capos in the extermination camps is about to be replayed here at Penn.” So if you are attacked by an esteemed colleague of Prof. Derschowitz, namely Prof. Gur, you are compared to (a) collaborator of Gestapo, and (b) famous anti-Zionist humanitarian. Is it an offense or a complement?

    Anyway, “Bad Rachel” is apparently much more extreme than Netanyahu. People who donate to ECI are either ignorant or fascist.

  8. pabelmont
    March 6, 2012, 1:46 pm

    Phil: “”I was silent when Dershowitz went after Norman Finkelstein ” is code-word for AD is [like] a Nazi. Although I believe he is [like] a Nazi, I am shocked, shocked (and pleased, pleased) to see it in print.

    I don’t tweet. But tell MJR that I support him — on this very, very sunny day.

    • pabelmont
      March 6, 2012, 2:29 pm

      “the zeal of a Torquemada” is the phrase (which avoids the shadow of Nazi) which Jerry Haber uses for AD. In a way it is better, for the Spanish catholic zealots killed and exiled both Muslims and Jews.

    • lysias
      March 6, 2012, 5:09 pm

      The original Niemöller, for those who may be interested:

      Als sie die ersten Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; denn ich war kein Kommunist. Als sie die ersten Juden holten, habe ich geschwiegen; denn ich war kein Jude. Als sie die ersten Katholiken holten, habe ich geschwiegen; denn ich war kein Katholik. Als sie mich holten, war niemand mehr da, der seine Stimme hätte erheben können.

  9. DICKERSON3870
    March 6, 2012, 1:55 pm

    RE: “The New Yorker and Jerry Haber are both pushing back against the smear campaign against MJ Rosenberg. ” ~ Weiss

    YOU CAN ALSO PUSH BACK BY SHOWING YOUR SUPPORT FOR MJ ROSENBERG!

    FACEBOOK
    M J Rosenberg
    Public Figure
    90 “likes”
    TO LIKE - link to facebook.com

    TWITTER
    Best way to tell Dershowitz to go to hell (1) picket his classroom or (2) tell your friends to follow him on twitter.
    MJ Rosenberg
    @MJayRosenberg
    TO FOLLOW - link to twitter.com

    • American
      March 6, 2012, 6:08 pm

      Start tweeting ‘Rosenberg for Congress’…the Dersh will have a stroke.

  10. DICKERSON3870
    March 6, 2012, 2:16 pm

    RE: “Spinoza and the Heresy Hunter from Harvard” ~ Haber

    MY COMMENT: Good one! “Heresy Hunter” is spot-on. Harvard’s Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Alan Dershowitz, is indeed a ‘heresy hunter’.
    What in the world did Justice Felix Frankfurter ever do to deserve this? What a travesty!

  11. hophmi
    March 6, 2012, 2:35 pm

    “There is indeed a gap, but it is between the real liberal Zionists like M.J., Peter Beinart, Naomi Hazan, Larry Derfner, Michael Lerner, Leibel Fein, David Grossman, Amos Oz, as well as the activist groups in Israel like B’Tselem, Rabbis for Human Rights, Breaking the Silence, on the one hand, and the faux liberal Zionists like Dershowitz, Abe Foxman, Benny Morris, Ari Shavit, and all those members of the so-called “disappointed left” in Israel, on the other.”

    Like a lot of stuff, this suffers from the unbearable smug self-righteousness that is the reason MJ and others like him can gain little real traction in the organized Jewish community.

    First of all, this group of liberal Zionists is too large. Rosenberg is not in the same category as Beinart, Fein, Grossman, Oz, Hazan, or Derfner, all of whom have unimpeachable Zionist credentials and have offered criticism that has generally been devoid of the nasty name-calling Rosenberg engages in. To my knowledge, none of this group has sought common cause with hardcore anti-Zionists as Rosenberg has by associating himself with people like Phil Weiss. That’s not to say Rosenberg isn’t a Zionist. But he doesn’t belong in that class. Beinart’s ideas have actually gained plenty of traction in the organized Jewish community. Rosenberg’s have not, because they drip with hostility.

    There’s nothing faux liberal Zionist about Dershowitz, who has long supported a two-state solution (including before it was a popular idea). Nor is there anything faux about Abe Foxman, who has taken plenty of flack from the right-wingers for the positions he’s taken on issues from the disengagement to the peace process to pluralism in Israel.

    And by the MJ, if it’s so damn sunny, how come the American people support US military action if Iran gets close to a nuke and says overwhelmingly that preventing Iran from getting a nuke is more important than avoiding a military conflict?

    link to pollingreport.com

    Maybe, like a lot of left-wingers, you don’t trust people to think for themselves, and you mistake a flurry of left-wing op-eds for actual change on an issue.

    It’s true; a lot of us don’t like the Israel-firster nonsense; those of us with an historical memory know what the connotations are. We could just as well call those who favor a harder line on Iran Saudi-firsters, since the Saudis are every bit as worried about Iran as the Israelis are, or France-firsters, since President Sarkozy’s stance has been more hardline than Obama’s some of the time. Mostly, however, the term is a nasty way of avoiding actually addressing the argument that America should respect the decisions of the democratically-elected government of its only real ally in the region on the merits.

    • Mooser
      March 6, 2012, 3:16 pm

      Shorter Hophmi: ‘Liberal Zionists would never be a member of any club which would accept them! So there! Besides, the portions are too small.’

    • Mooser
      March 6, 2012, 3:18 pm

      “those of us with an historical memory”

      So that’s why I’m such a bad Jew! I don’t got no historical memory. All I’ve got is my own.
      Can I get one of them “historical” memories off the Web? Amazon? Guitar Center?
      Wait a minute! How much ROM does it take to store a historical memory?

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2012, 3:22 pm

        I looked, and apparently the “historical selected memory” is much cheaper and can be stored on a smaller computer, with plenty of space left over for Zionism, and the glories of colonialism.

    • Woody Tanaka
      March 6, 2012, 3:33 pm

      “There’s nothing faux liberal Zionist about Dershowitz”

      One would have to be a liberal to a “liberal Zionist.” The Dershbag is no liberal.

      “Nor is there anything faux about Abe Foxman”

      Except for his claimed commitment to religious freedom in the US (at least when it’s not his religion being harmed.)

    • Jeff Klein
      March 6, 2012, 3:37 pm

      Revealed at last: hophmi is Alan Dershowitz!

      • Dan Crowther
        March 6, 2012, 4:09 pm

        hahahaa!!!

        Loved your last essay at counterpunch as well Jeff

      • Cliff
        March 6, 2012, 5:56 pm

        LOL

        Hophmi is definitely our resident Alan Dershowitz.

      • Mooser
        March 6, 2012, 7:17 pm

        Cliff, you are the last person I would ever expect to pay Hophmi what he surely must consider the supreme compliment.

    • American
      March 6, 2012, 6:04 pm

      “There’s nothing faux liberal Zionist about Dershowitz, who has long supported a two-state solution”…hop

      Yea, there was nothing faux liberal about witch burning Puritians either.

    • Annie Robbins
      March 6, 2012, 7:08 pm

      hops, the ruet institute put out a fatwa against the left last year requesting liberal zionists get peeled away from what they call the ‘extreme left’, this is what the cap affair was. this is that process and you are a tool of it.

      i recommend you watch this video on blogging heads Is “Israel-Firster” Anti-Semitic? with sarah wildman and sarah posner, 2 nice jewish girls.

      link to religiondispatches.org

      i think it was during this conversation they explain what the left is, and dersh is not part of it. liberal zionists (according to them) are those who support israel and still criticize the occupation and the settlement expansion, dersh doesn’t do that. he doesn’t criticize israel. saying you are for 2 states is a very safe position when you don’t fight for it, or actively do anything about it and you can bet it will never happen anyway. it’s like a zio alliance with the christian right, if you don’t believe jesus will come why not support them? he’s a poser, a poor one at that. he’s not left. bug duh.

    • Citizen
      March 7, 2012, 9:26 am

      hophmi, considering how little factual information the American masses get from the mainstream media regarding Iran (or the I-P conflict), and how the little discussion they do get via that media is so anti-Iran (and pro-Israel, anti-Palestine) I’m surprised those polls don’t indicate 98% of Americans want Iran bombed yesterday.

      • Citizen
        March 7, 2012, 11:49 am

        Declassified Senate & DOJ records shows long history of pro-Israel faction’s manipulation of our mass media & pro-Israel’s lobby bribery of/threats to American politicians who tow the hasbara line to get large campaign donations or don’t and watch all that massive money go to their opponent link to t.co

        Try this: link to youtube.com
        Maybe this will work: link to mycatbirdseat.com

    • Hostage
      March 9, 2012, 8:49 am

      There’s nothing faux liberal Zionist about Dershowitz

      LOL! The liberal establishment wouldn’t touch the reprobate Professor with a barge pole. He destroyed his liberal and legal credentials when he started advocating Court-ordered torture. See The Case for Torture Warrants, by Alan M. Dershowitz, 2002 and get yourself some clue: link to alandershowitz.com

      Like a lot of stuff, this suffers from the unbearable smug self-righteousness that is the reason MJ and others like him can gain little real traction in the organized Jewish community.

      So maybe you can explain why there is a freaked-out “emergency committee” of out-of-power pro-Israel Jewish neocons running around desperately shreying about the dangers inherent in the published opinions of the Media Matters Action Network regarding Israel? BTW, the folks out here in fly-over country are fed-up with Bibi Netanyahu and the organized Jewish community’s campaign to start another war and screw them at the gas pump. There isn’t anyway my neighbors are signing-on for a war against Iran and they are tired of their members of Congress ignoring the parade of military commanders, like Generals Petraus and Mattis, who have spoken out about the I-P albatross around our neck:

      Commander’s Posture Statement
      Statement of U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, U.S. Central Command commander, before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 1, 2011, about the posture of U.S. Central Command link to centcom.mil

      • Middle East Peace: Lack of progress in achieving comprehensive Middle East peace affects U.S. and CENTCOM security interests in the region. It is one of many issues that is exploited by our adversaries in the region and is used as a recruiting tool for extremist groups. The lack of progress also creates friction with regional partners and creates political challenges for advancing our interests by marginalizing moderate voices in the region. As Secretary Gates noted in July 2010, “the lack of progress in the peace process has provided political ammunition to our adversaries in the Middle East and in the region, and…progress in this arena will enable us not only to perhaps get others to support the peace process, but also support us in our efforts to try and impose effective sanctions against Iran.” In December 2010, Secretary Clinton observed “the conflict between Israel and Palestine and between Israel and its Arab neighbors is a source of tension and an obstacle to prosperity and opportunity for all of the people in the region.” By contrast, substantive progress on Middle East peace would improve CENTCOM’s opportunities to work with our regional partners and support multilateral security efforts. Speaking about the need for Middle East peace at the Manama Dialogue in December 2010, King Abdullah of Jordan observed “Our region will not enjoy security and stability unless we solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and Arabs and Israelis find peace. The stakes are high. As a solution continues to elude us, faith in negotiations, as the only path to peace and justice, is eroding. And if hope is killed, radical forces will prevail. The region will sink into more vicious warfare and instability…threatening security far beyond the borders of the Middle East.”

  12. DICKERSON3870
    March 6, 2012, 2:37 pm

    RE: “Because of his fury at Rosenberg, he is willing to attempt to cost Obama the election if the White House doesn’t publicly distance itself from Media Matters, or if Media Matters doesn’t fire Rosenberg, such is his fervor of the heresy hunter scorned.” ~ Haber

    SEE – Dear liberal American Jews: Please don’t betray Israel, by Dahlia Scheindlin, +972 Magazine, 2/14/12:

    (excerpts). . . After two weeks in America visiting family and friends, two observations struck me powerfully. First, the understanding that Israel is committing terrible deeds that are destroying itself and its neighbors, has penetrated among you…
    …On this trip, I was stunned to learn that now you don’t even really want to visit Israel because you can’t face what you’re increasingly coming to see as a brutal occupying entity flirting with fascist notions. . .
    …My second observation is that because of your fear – not of the goyim or the anti-Semites, but of yourselves! – you are keeping a low public profile. On this trip, I suddenly realized how naïve it was to imagine that J Street had sufficiently opened the door for anyone who cares critically for Israel to speak out. I underestimated how deep and terrible the intimidation has become and that one political lobby group is far from enough.
    I do understand: those of you who still call the Jewish community home, are afraid of the onslaught that you will receive from your (our) very own people. I hold no illusions about how vicious the attacks might be. We Jews, not the goyim, will call you the most painful names, will threaten in various ways to label you as beyond the pale of your people, should you voice your critique. You might be chastised in your professional community. You will be hit not only by shadowy bloggers but by the very cherished and established groups you have loyally, even automatically, supported over the years. The anger might come from your friends and it might even come from your family…
    . . . Here’s how that made me feel: abandoned, by the liberal Jews of America. You were swept away by Ruth Wisse’s thesis that liberals betrayed the Jewish cause by believing too much in rational universalism and failing to acknowledge the unique, everlasting threat of anti-Semitism…

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to 972mag.com

  13. DICKERSON3870
    March 6, 2012, 3:14 pm

    RE: “Let me tell you something about M. J. Rosenberg – to call him ‘anti-Israel’ is as absurd as calling the New Israel Fund, J Street, the Meretz party, B’Tselem, anti-Israel – which, of course, is done everyday by the New Zealots, those self-appointed guardians of the Jewish state.” ~ Haber (at his site)

    MY COMMENT: Referring to Dershowitz and his ilk as the “New Zealots” is also spot-on!
    Zealotry – link to en.wikipedia.org
    JPEG image of a “New Zealot” - link to s3-ak.buzzfed.com

  14. Mndwss
    March 6, 2012, 5:37 pm

    If you disagrea with the cult. You will be treated badly..

    Unorthodox: The Scandalous Rejection of my Hasidic Roots. A memoir by Deborah Feldman:

    link to youtube.com

    Comments from her tribe on Youtube:

    “this woman shamed the jews… israel should send the mossad to make her a visit”

    “anyone else realize that she is sitting here talking about judaism, yet she never mentions God once?”

    “deborah, overexagerate much?????????? ur anger at your (jewish) experience is making u cynical toward yiddishkeit. being jewish is something that has to be appreciated.”

    “You will always find bad in anything if you look hard enough,that lieby story was committed by a mentally disturbed person,to say that you cant trust a jew because of this is down right outrageous, you disgusting bitch BITCH!!!”

    “No one abused you… You don’t look good at all… Stop to bs”

    “Deborah i am a religious Jew and i feel you have sinned against your people, we didn’t walk out of the gas chambers of Auschwitz to turn our backs on our traditions. America is a great nation where you can and should practice your faith in peace. i have prayed to g-d that he have mercy upon you.”

    “so much bullshit in 7 min. deborah and y r u lying i remember you as a neighbor so cut that fuckin bull-shit i got my GED and a beautiful education in school and YOU weird jeans wan i fuckin remembered you so please cut the fuckin bullshit and let your husband live he had do noting to u so fuck you and stop criticizing the jews btw we still love you even u hate us”

    “btw we still love you even u hate us…”

    Is this is love?

  15. pabelmont
    March 6, 2012, 8:31 pm

    Think of TheDersh as the Pope and MJR as Galileo.

    Actually, TheDersh wishes there WERE a Jewish Pope who was a Bibi-type right-winger who could lay down the law to ALL Jews, and the Spinoza-types (and MJR-types) would either CONFORM or fade away.

    In the absence such a Jewish Pope — of such a REALLY, REALLY GRAND RABBI OF THE WORLD with a bag of fatwas or thunder bolts or something — TheDersh has elevated himself to the role of stand-in, pro-tem RRGROTW. He’s perfect for the job, has such a keen understanding of power politics — and a very pretty face, too! You might object, “But he doesn’t know the territory!”, but you’d be wrong.

  16. Pixel
    March 7, 2012, 12:23 am

    ” … Dershowitz, the heresy hunter from Harvard …”

    LOL

  17. Bill
    March 7, 2012, 1:31 am

    Years ago, MJ Rosenberg trashed Norman Finkelstein in print. (I believe it was in TMPCafe). I may root for Rosenberg against Dersh, but I will not mistake him for someone I should respect.

    • Donald
      March 7, 2012, 8:26 am

      I remember him doing that, but it was years ago and he might have changed. After all, before that he worked for AIPAC.

  18. eGuard
    March 7, 2012, 7:18 am

    So David Grossman is a real liberal Zionist, like MJ Rosenberg?

    This is what Grossman wrote: “[W]e restrained [...]. So as not to add to the death and destruction that has already taken place, we intend, unilaterally and absolutely, to hold our fire for the next 48 hours.” On December 30th 2008. Yes, during the attack on Gaza. Restrained. So that is what “real liberal Zionists” are about. They want to stop bombing already after four days. For two days.

    MJ Rosenberg must feel proud to be put in that group. I myself get sick of this who’s-a-better-Zionist Award game.

    NYT (via Angry Arab)

  19. eGuard
    March 7, 2012, 7:38 am

    And Amos Oz, another real liberal Zionist.

    This petition he signed, six months after the Gaza attacks:
    “We, citizens of the State of Israel, whose army is the IDF, demand to know the truth regarding the fighting carried out in our names, our money and at the price of danger to the lives of our loved ones”.
    “The military strength of Israel is meant to protect not just the lives of Israelis but also the Israeli way of life, of value to all parts of our society”

    This is what white phosphorus can do to a society – Israel in this case (glad they included Israeli Palestinians. That’s the real liberal Zionist spirit!). Amos Oz stood up for this worthy case. Now could he handle the truth? Haven’t heard much of him lately.

    Haaretz (via Angry Arab. Grossman signed too).

Leave a Reply