The rifle-butting video is following a different narrative

Cyclist incident on Jews only road
Another brutal attack on a cyclist Saturday is documented at Pal Reports Nablus

The shocking video of the Israeli lieutenant colonel smashing a Danish cyclist in the face with a rifle is already playing out in a different way from countless other Israeli atrocities in the occupied territories. To begin with, according to the Hebrew press, it was shown repeatedly on Israeli televisions news last night.

Also, it is highly unusual that the army chief of staff and Prime Minister would react to the incident after a couple of hours, as they did in condemning the officer’s actions. In other cases, they have defended Israeli aggression; look at the Mavi Marmara attack in May 2010.

In this case the video is just that compelling. Although the video and these still photographs on the Internet were highly condemnatory, Lt. Col. Shalom Eisner through friends maintains that he acted appropriately.  Eisner claimed that he was provoked by activists who had assaulted him with sticks which caused multiple hand fractures prior to his assault.  Even the army does not seem to be buying into this story.

His knitted skullcap will be the icing on the cake.  Eisner is seen wearing a knitted kipah (skullcap) often associated with the right-wing religious settler movement.  The indifference shown by the other soldiers is enough to even shock some pro-Israel types.  It could get wild.

Meantime, two prominent rabbis have issued statements of support for the suspended officer. The IDF is trying to get the unedited recording of the event, which the Israelis claim lasted about 2 hours.

In a highly unusual and swift reaction, the Israeli authorities suspended the main attacker, Lieutenant Colonel Shalom Eisner, from his army duties only hours after the video appeared.  Eisner’s actions were harshly condemned by both the Army Chief of Staff, Benny Gantz, and  Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 

According to Ma’an News and the International Solidarity Movement, the cycling tour was organized by the Palestinian group, Sharak Youth Forum, to protest against the discrimination and land confiscations which Palestinians and Bedouin suffer at the hands of the Israeli occupation authorities.

According to Ynet the incident occurred on Saturday. The activists who numbered between 60 and 200 according to differing reports were attempting to bicycle on Route 90, the main north/south artery in the Jordan Valley.  The road is designated for Jewish travelers only.  

The cyclists and their support team were composed of internationals and Palestinians.  As a result of the incident a Palestinian, a Dutch national and a Dane were hospitalized.  The extent of their injuries has not been reported.  A Swedish activist who was detained by the Israelis was released after an hour.  Numerous other Israeli soldiers are seen on the video manhandling the demonstrators.

About Ira Glunts

Ira Glunts is a retired college librarian who lives in Madison, NY.
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  1. OlegR says:

    That’s what happens when you send tank officers to do police work they just can’t get the hang of it oh well …

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “That’s what happens when you send tank officers to do police work they just can’t get the hang of it oh well …”

      Scratch a zio, uncover a fascist.

      • Elliot says:

        If Israel really cared about its image, it would have sent police with instructions on how to handle civilians, not army.
        Israel wants the passive public to think beautiful thoughts about her and, simultaneously, put the fear of god into those who cross her.
        Israel’s problem is that you can’t manage the public that way.

        Lt.Col. Eisner’s religious community has posted a video montage of police and army brutality directed at settlers (at the website Shmuel linked to).

        It seems to me that this is different. The settlers were engaged in mass violent disruptions.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “If Israel really cared about its image, it would have sent police with instructions on how to handle civilians, not army.”

          It doesn’t. It’s a brutal ethno-fascist supremacist state, so it sends its gunmen and thugs. It’s not interested in maintaining law and order. Those are for civilized people. Israel is more like the Jewish mafia, but with less class. The IOF pigs are its triggermen.

  2. Elliot says:

    Eisner is seen wearing a knitted kipah (skullcap) often associated with the right-wing religious settler movement.
    According to the Ynet article article you link to, Lt. Col. Eisner’s rabbi is Haim Druckman, an esteemed educator in the settler movement and one of its key political leaders. Many of his disciples are themselves in positions of leadership in the West Bank and Israel. As testimony to his loyalty to his own, it should be noted that Druckman was party to a cover-up in the case of a rabbi who headed a high school. This principal later served time for having sex with students in his school.
    Rabbi Druckman is one of the leading rabbis who has spoken in defense of his disciple, Lt. Col. Eisner.
    30 years ago, settlers such as the Levinger family in Hebron assaulted those who got in their way, including IDF soldiers. Now that the IDF has been been completely co-opted as the settlers’ security agency, the settlers can stay home and watch the proceedings. Or they can put on the uniform and dish out the violence as soldiers.
    Bib’s swift action will be taken as proof that Israel is the most moral country in the world but the rot has taken root. The settler/soldiers will just take more care to get away from the cameras before attacking folks.

  3. The attack made the homepage of one of Denmark’s biggest broadsheet-quality newspapers, Berlingske, and this is direct link to the piece: Overfaldet dansk aktivist: Har set det mange gange

    This is surely another case of Israel smashing itself in the face with its own rifle

    • Ira Glunts says:

      Thanks Eleanor. I read this morning that the Danish embassy in Israel has requested a full report of incident from the Israelis.

      I think this incident will not go away very quickly. I assume the press coverage inIsrael and abroad will bring the brutality of the occupation home to many. The story will be fueled by the religious settler movement’s defense of Eisner and the army’s behavior.

      • Ira Glunts says:

        I see that the Danish foreign minister is not only requesting a full report, but he offered assistance to the young Danish victim “if he desires it.”

        Compare the Danish reaction to the US government reaction to the pictures of the killing of Rachel Corrie by the IDF.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Ira Glunts
          Different incident, different circumstance. That was an accident, this was not.

        • seafoid says:

          I would be interested to see how the Danish and arch Ziobot Adam Holm covers it

        • Bumblebye says:

          About as accidental as your feeble comments.

        • Ira Glunts says:

          @ Fredblogs I do not believe the facts on the Corrie case indicate that it was an accident. Irrespective of this, it still would have been appropriate for the US government to assist the Corrie family in obtaining a full and immediate report of her killing.

          In this case Eisner claims that he was provoked, but admits that his actions were wrong. However he is claiming extenuating circumstances — that he was attacked and that the demonstrators resisted orders to desist in a two hour standoff.

          I hope that we can agree that it seems highly unlikely that Eisner’s claims will fly. Also, that the support he is getting from rabbis such as Druckman are not going to help Israel in it campaign to portray the incident as not indicative of real problems with the occupation army.

          Eisner is being interrogated by the army right now, btw.

        • Fredblogs says:

          I think it doesn’t matter whether his claims fly. The guy he hit wasn’t doing anything _at the time he was hit_ that justified hitting him. It also wasn’t a case of shooting or hitting an armed fighter.

          The fact that some rabbi is supporting him will seem impressive to people who have no idea how the Jewish religion works. We have lots of rabbis, with no controlling central authority, and some of them are bound to say something stupid, ill-informed, or just plain wrong some of the time. It’s as though you attributed anything idiotic a school teacher said to society as a whole rather than to an individual idiot.

        • Mooser says:

          “The fact that some rabbi is supporting him will seem impressive to people who have no idea how the Jewish religion works. We have lots of rabbis, with no controlling central authority, and some of them are bound to say something stupid, ill-informed, or just plain wrong some of the time. It’s as though you attributed anything idiotic a school teacher said to society as a whole rather than to an individual idiot.”

          That’s a Zionist for you. When they’re not hitting activists in the face, they’re shooting themselves in the foot.
          So what you are saying, dummy, is that Zionism has no religious basis whatsoever. Or only Rabbis that agree with you are to be listened to?
          Which is it, pal?

          I guess we shouldn’t listen to Rabbis that are, well too Jewish?

        • Mooser says:

          “_at the time he was hit_”

          Yes, but what if he was thinking how nice the Christmas and Easter decorations are in Denmark?
          I guess Fred had to put that proviso in there, lest his settlement-mates give him a ritual saliva-bath.

        • Fredblogs says:

          No, Mooser, that’s not even close to what I said. Sorry you are having so much trouble understanding plain English. I’m saying that not everything that every rabbi says is held to be true by Jews as a whole, or even by every other rabbi. I didn’t think that was a difficult concept to grasp, I’m not sure how to put it any more simply for you.

        • Fredblogs says:

          Mooser, please stop with the ad hominem attacks. Personal insults do not elevate the discussion here. But if you insist on making personal insults, send them to the right place. I’m an American. I live in America, not in an Israeli settlement.

        • eljay says:

          >> The fact that some rabbi is supporting him will seem impressive to people who have no idea how the Jewish religion works.

          There’s a Jewish religion now? I keep reading about how Jewish is a nation, a people, a tribe, a community, an ethnicity and a culture, but suddenly it’s a religion. Weird. ;-)

          So, how does the Jewish religion work, and what weight does a rabbi’s pronouncement carry? Any? Only for religious Jewish types? Only for Israelis? Or is it one of those “pick and choose” religious things?

        • OlegR says:

          Eljay the fact that you are struggling to grasp the whole complexity of
          “Being Jewish” is understandable but it really is not a Jewish problem it’s yours.
          Educate yourself.

        • Mooser says:

          “Educate yourself.”

          Anotherwords, you can’t tell us what makes a Jew, and what makes a “Jewish State”. Except that it’s whatever you want it to be at the moment.

        • eljay says:

          >> Eljay the fact that you are struggling to grasp the whole complexity of
          “Being Jewish” is understandable but it really is not a Jewish problem it’s yours. Educate yourself.

          OK, so you don’t know either. Thanks for that.

        • Mooser says:

          “I’m an American. I live in America, not in an Israeli settlement.”

          Oh crap, now I’m gonna have to clean off the desk, gargle, brush my teeth, and eat another breakfast when my stomach stops jumping around.

          But gee, Freddy, why aren’t you in the Jewish State? How can you stand it here with all the Gentiles?

        • Mooser says:

          “I’m an American. I live in America, not in an Israeli settlement.”

          I’ll try to be nicer, Fredblogs. Seeing a person so obviously out of his place and out of his time always arouses my sympathy. If you need funds to make Aliyah and get where you’ll be happy, give me a call and I’ll write the Israeli Consulate. The Jewish State needs you, and you need the Jewish State.
          Good Lord, imagine having to live where Gentiles outnumber Jews. You should go where you’ll be safe.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Mooser, please stop with the ad hominem attacks. Personal insults do not elevate the discussion here.”

          You’re one who spreads the ad hominem lie that criticism of Israel is anti-semitism. Who do you think you are to complaint about anyone else?

          “I’m an American. I live in America, not in an Israeli settlement.”

          Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…

        • Mooser says:

          “I’m an American. I live in America…”

          Good God in heaven, is this what it’s come to in America? Read this “Fredblogs” comment archive, and try to conceive him as an American. Stretches credulity to the snapping point, unless I conceive of him as a 19th Century American. I can very easily conceive of him telling us why a house divided against itself should stand forever, tho.

  4. Scott says:

    It’s really a Selma bridge moment. Cameras are important.

  5. the first posting of the video was by ami kaufman at 972. the comment thread is very instructive wrt the pushback from trolls and other supporters of the iof. it’s almost surreal some of the arguments they come up with. obviously they are taking this very seriously (while claiming, in so many words, it’s not serious).
    link to 972mag.com

  6. eljay says:

    These images (the one at the top of this page, as well as this one) make great tourism posters. Just add the following tagline and you’re good to go:

    “Welcome to the Jewish and Democratic State of Greater Israel!”

    Optional sub-heading:
    “Over 60 years of oppression and colonization…and still going strong!”

  7. Fredblogs says:

    The reason their reaction is different is that the incident is different. There is video on the Mavi Marmara of the “activists” attacking the soldiers with daggers and clubs. Those soldiers acted in self defense. Here, the only violence from the protestors was at the beginning of the video when the guy in the baseball cap threw his bike against a different soldier’s leg. The guy who got butted in the face was just standing there, not even trying to push past the soldier. The soldier will probably be disciplined for this, if not court martialed. The overall status of Israel as a moral army does not mean that every individual soldier is moral all the time, it means that when a soldier is caught acting in an immoral way, he is punished.

    • Bumblebye says:

      Link to the “video” showing activists attacking idf with “daggers and clubs” – I know you can’t!
      They used bits of furniture, such as table legs. Don’t you think a bicycle could provide some nasty weapons? The cross bar, the spokes, etc, could really really threaten the safety of those poor ickle soldiers. You’re just spinnin’ it wrong, Fredfrog.

      • Fredblogs says:

        I posted a link to that video. It was censored. You’ll have to find it on your own.

        • Mooser says:

          “I posted a link to that video. It was censored. You’ll have to find it on your own.”

          Ah yes, the old “me or your lying eyes” choice on what to believe.

        • maybe it was one of those sketchy edited iof distributed things from the mavi marmara. y’know, the ones where they had all the shifting images with red circles around some. i think the site doesn’t like to promote that crap. but who knows.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Annie Robbins
          Speaking of “who are you going to believe, this website or your lying eyes”. I guess they don’t want to give your eyes a chance to lie to you.

        • Mooser says:

          “who are you going to believe, this website or your lying eyes”.

          And Fredblogs strikes a blow for the self-determination of that most oppressed place, the space between the quote marks! After so many years of suffering, why should they be subject to the dictates of veracity?
          Ah, Witty, your work was not in vain! Soon the country between the quote marks will be free to be whatever it wants to be.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “There is video on the Mavi Marmara of the “activists” attacking the soldiers with daggers and clubs.”

      Yeah, imagine those passengers, daring to defend themselves against armed pirates in international water…

    • libra says:

      Fredblogs: “The reason their reaction is different is that the incident is different.”

      And, of course, the man who was so casually assaulted was Danish. Really couldn’t be a more embarrassing choice of nationality, could there Fred? But let’s not mention that, people might dwell on the historical analogy and draw some very unflattering conclusions.

      • Mooser says:

        “of course, the man who was so casually assaulted was Danish.”

        There’s nothing more dangerous than a savage canary!

    • Newclench says:

      Hearing about the IDF as a ‘moral army’ really takes me back. It’s funny; there was a time when a lot of folks, including soldiers, really believed it. There was a whole sequence in the schools about ‘purity of arms’ and such, repeated in basic training and officer school.
      But today? Really? I can’t imagine anyone (except non-Israeli shills) using that language. As a soldier I remember my first night on the base where my colleagues were out on patrol for the first time in E. Jerusalem/W. Bank. All stories of bravado that included beating children, destroying property, arresting vendors, breaking into people’s homes. Disgusting.
      How can anyone remember the shit smeared on walls all over the West Bank in the 2nd Intifada and still talk about a moral army? It’s…. fantastical.

      • Mooser says:

        “It’s…. fantastical.”

        No, Clenchner, no matter how much you try and minimise it, for your own purposes, it’s not “fantastical”, it’s real. Just plain ordinary fact.

      • Shmuel says:

        But today? Really? I can’t imagine anyone (except non-Israeli shills) using that language.

        You’re joking, right? The phrase is almost as ubiquitous as “ahi” – sometimes ironic or sarcastic, but very often said with an absolutely straight face. Try googling הצבא המוסרי בעולם (no quotation marks, to allow for the superlatives הכי and ביותר), and you should get about 171,000 hits. Look through them, and you’ll find relatively recent statements to that effect by politicians such as Barak and Olmert, officers like Gabi Ashkenazi and Yom Tov Samya (another gem of an officer from the Jordan valley), and many others.

        Did you follow any Israeli blogs or facebook pages or news sites of any kind at the time of the Mavi Marmara? Or the release of the Goldstone Report (and subsequent qualifications)? Have you spoken to any Israelis who don’t live on Shenkin lately?

        As for the sarcasm, people wouldn’t be saying things like הצבא המוסרי בעולם עאלק, if the idea weren’t rammed down their throats at every opportunity.

        Eifo atah hai, ahi?

        • Mooser says:

          Shmuel, do you have any idea what “Clenchner” is trying to do? I’m pretty befuddled by it. That it is dishonest, is plain to see, even without knowing the details you do, as you just pointed out. But what is the purpose of it, given his own protestations of good intent?

        • Shmuel says:

          do you have any idea what “Clenchner” is trying to do?

          Make Israeli society look less messed up than it really is?

        • Newclench says:

          Shmuel, how do my words suggest that I’m making Israeli society appear to be less messed up? Because I think Fredblogs comments are fantastical? Strange.

        • Shmuel says:

          Shmuel, how do my words suggest that I’m making Israeli society appear to be less messed up?

          You suggest that Israelis don’t actually believe the old hasbara about the army. Were this true, it would certainly make them considerably less screwed up than they really are – less detached from reality, less brainwashed. It is however, patently false. I don’t know what kind of Israelis you hang out with or read, if any, but try discussing the army with most Israelis (in my own, not inconsiderable experience) and more often than not, you will hear something along the lines of “in similar circumstances, any other army in the world would have …” And it’s not only the codgers or the settlers. I don’t know if you have any younger nieces and nephews or cousins, but I have heaps of them (of all socio-economic and cultural varieties), and you wouldn’t believe the hasbara they spout – as cool and non-conformist (or hedonistically self-absorbed) as some of them may think they are. Even a discussion in a Tel-Aviv pub, with the coolest of the cool, cannot touch Tzahal. To cite another demographic, did you see the clip of Saar Szekely and his Big Brother housemates? Did you listen to the others? Szekely dropped a bombshell when he dared to criticise the army – which is what his critics both inside and outside the house found particularly disturbing. “Hevrah meguyeset” doesn’t even begin to describe it.

          The insinuation that such crap can only come from non-Israelis suggests that Israelis are less extreme (and gullible) than their external defenders, and that those who criticise Israelis for such flights of fancy must be ignorant of the “real Israel” (a way of discrediting such criticism?).

        • Mooser says:

          Thanks for that common-sense very understandable explanation Shmuel.
          I am all famischt waiting to hear “Newclench’s” response, and eager to understand why his view of and explication of Israeli society and mores is more truthful and based on more experience than yours. I feel bad for you Shmuel, being rhetorically torn to pieces, that way, but you asked for it.

        • Danaa says:

          Glad you said all that Shmuel (and thanks to Mooser for drawing attention to the Newsclench comment). Conforms to my [much more limited] experience. It is unfortunate that there are not more bona fide, “average” Israeli voices in the various blogs out there, including this one. Not just the few well-meaning Anglo and their mirror opposite – the extremist anglo settler, orthodox and assortment of other hasbara peddlers. If people read one tenth of what goes for day-to-day “normal” discourse in Israel, I believe they’d be genuinely shocked. Just a cursory patrol of what was said in Israeli facebook pages about Saar would be an eye opener, one that would put Newsclench comments under the bright light they deserve. Newsclench is obviously not in tune with run-of-the-mill Israelis or he wouldn’t be able to say what he does (though he makes claims of being Israeli or to live in Israel, or whatever. If so he obviously found one of the smallest, most hermetically closed bubbles there. Maybe a it’s one of those famously well-insulated beach condos?).

          People outside israel have no idea how deep the army-worship is, how nationalistic/xenophobic most young and not-so-young Israelis are, and how marginalized anyone becomes just for speaking against this syndrome. Saar was a nice fig leaf (in his interview for Al Jazzerah he mentioned that he was recruited precisely because he was a “leftist”). He didn’t say it but it’s obvious that he was also recruited for his good Israeli “muscular” looks. It’s a bit like pinkwashing – look how free we are to talk about such things! look how open! look who got third place! somebody must have voted for him, right? based on the mostly negative commentary he received, it’s a good question.

        • Mooser says:

          “Glad you said all that Shmuel…”

          Ah, I was looking for an excuse to thank Shmuel again for his comments. They are very informative, and drawn from a personal place and experience.

      • OlegR says:

        Must be hard being you Newclench.
        You political ideas in Israel are getting more and more unpopular.
        And among these guys you aren’t getting any relief either you are too
        Israeli for them.

        I am not begin cynical btw.

        • Mooser says:

          Well, it’s been 24 hours or so, and no reply from Newclench? I was so sure a few pithy (Zionist supporters are always pithy, of course) sentences and a list of links or citations would put Shmuel right back in his place, and show him to be a parvenu, a ne’er-do-well, a has-been and a wanna-be, ,i>nekulturny old-hat and piss-poor.
          But I’m pretty sure ziocaine amnesia will prevail, and NewClench will be back, and nothing Shmuel said will make the slightest difference to him. I mean what are you going to believe, your El Al travel brochures, or Shmuel’s lying Israeli eyes?

    • peeesss says:

      Hahahahahah, hilarious. “when a soldier is caught acting in an immoral way, he is punished.” Hahahahaha. Just like the soldiers who ransacked , burned and demolished 531 villages in 1947-48 and later. Were they punished? Just like the soldiers who helped the Irgun in the massacre of Der Yassin. Were they punished? Even Ben Gurion condemned that atrocity. The massacre of Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai, confirmed by Israeli officers year later. Were they punished.? The massacres in Lebanon in war after war, by the most “moral” Army in the world. The slaughter in Gaza “cast lead”, Punished? The routine murder and maiming of not violent protesters, . Punished? The poor, ill equipped commandoes who attacked a boat in International waters. Punished.? No they were all praised and given medals for subduing the “violent” response from the peace activists on board as they defended themselves. Eleven shot dead, 5 as they lay injured ,in the head and/or back as they lay defensless. Punished?
      This myth propagated by the Zionist press and the Hasbara network about the “most moral” army in the world is repeated so often by the leaders and spokesman of Israel that it has lost any connection to reality. One could go on for pages of actions by the most” moral” Army in the world . Not only are they not punished but their Generals become Prime Ministers Sharon, Barak. As well as their terrorist brethren, Begin and Shamir. So please Freddie end this nonsence about the “most moral” Army in the world. Be real.

  8. Shmuel says:

    His knitted skullcap will be the icing on the cake. Eisner is seen wearing a knitted kipah (skullcap) often associated with the right-wing religious settler movement.

    Eisner is a child of that movement, and not merely associated with it by his choice in headgear. He is the son of Rabbi Binyamin Eisner (a follower of the guru of Gush Emunim, Rabbi Zvi Yehudah Kook), and himself a graduate of Kook’s yeshivah, Merkaz Harav, cradle of the settlement movement.

    Eisner brings to mind another former Merkaz student, Effi Eitam,* whose military career ended almost as abruptly as his political career began, as a result of an unfortunate incident involving the beating of two Palestinian brothers – one of them to death. I wonder whether Eisner is already consoling himself with the thought of a cabinet post on a Likud or National Union ticket. Minister of Education perhaps? Or maybe Minister of Sport, considering his experience with cyclists.

    Unfortunately, the part of Israeli society that still has some semblance of a conscience will once again blame those nasty settlers (the religious ones in particular), moan about the lack of a Palestinian “partner”, and shed another cathartic tear for dear old Rabin.

    *On Eitam, see: link to electronicintifada.net

    • seafoid says:

      “Religious” soldiers account for up to 40% of the officers of certain Israeli army units. Most of them are settlers. They slowly took the places of all the secular Jews who lost interest in the Army as a career after Israel went neoliberal.
      They are’educated’ in feeder yeshivas

      link to haaretz.com

      Around one-third of Israel Defense Forces infantry officers are religious, with the proportion jumping from only 2.5 percent in 1990 to 31.4 percent in 2007, a new study shows

      They don’t like Amalekites (male or female) or Jews (female) or gay/lesbian/transgender (Jewish, male or female)
      Women singing are especially disturbing

      link to haaretz.com

      Soon women won’t be allowed sit beside these people on El Al

      link to haaretz.com

      This is all intimately linked with the occupation and going in the wrong direction for 45 years

      These people can’t be wished back to 1967. Neither can Israel.

    • lysias says:

      If a known extremist like Eisner can be promoted as far as lieutenant colonel, that speaks volumes about the loyalties of the IDF.

      • seafoid says:

        If secular Jews earn more in the private sector and Israel is into its 45th year of a brutal miliary occupation who will serve as officers ?

  9. Taxi says:

    How dare them goy bike tires roll over roads for jews only?!

    The shit-scared Natanyahu knows that this is the incident and film that people, especially the internet savvy youth, will remember for a long long time: kippa, riffle, peaceful blond going down fast and sudden. Natanyahu knows how every time from here on, whenever he says the phrase” israel is the ONLY democracy in the middle east”, the listener will immediately remember the Danish unarmed protestor banged by ‘Shalom’ in the face with the length of a riffle, just for cycling on a road for jews only.

    We can say it’s now become official: israel IS an Apartheid state. And no amount of spin will change this growing perception of it, pole to pole around the world.

    With every new (avoidable) international ‘incident’ they create, israelis fall harder, uglier, from grace.

    • seafoid says:

      “With every new (avoidable) international ‘incident’ they create, israelis fall harder, uglier, from grace”
      .

      Dog – chair – hump


      It’s pavlovian Zionism

    • lysias says:

      The states of the Jim Crow South claimed to be democratic. So, for that matter, did apartheid South Africa.

  10. seafoid says:

    link to mepc.org

    For Sefi Rachlevsky, the new formulation “is a hair-raising messianic formula. Making it the obligatory wording of the official Yizkor memorial prayer is a true revolution, one that alters the IDF’s very essence: It has now become the Israel Divine Offense Forces. Author Haim Gouri wrote of fathers forced to sacrifice their sons, who were born with a knife in their heart. Now it’s even worse: Those exempted from the draft are turning the nonreligious into future sacrifices for ‘God’ and the messianic settlements…. A real Israel Defense Forces will arise only when the army that has replaced it — the Israel Divine Offense Forces, the army that is leading us to destruction — is dismantled. Netanyahu, Gantz, the ‘murdered’ of the Altalena, the World Zionist Organization’s Settlement Division and God all seem to be quickening their steps in a way that will lead thousands of young people to decide that, for Israel’s sake, they have a duty not to join such an army.”

    However, not everyone is as alarmed about the new developments. Udi Lebel, takes a different position from Sefi Rachlevsky, arguing the Yizkor must reflect those who serve in the IDF. This should not alarm anyone: “For years, the Israel Defense Forces has been working to modify its values and objectives for the groups who serve in it trying to find images that are likely to find favor in the eyes of those who influence the opinion of its fighters…. There are parts of the army that must not be influenced by politics. Politics should not affect the nature of its missions, its values, certainly not the funeral prayers for its fallen. But the unnecessary change in the Yizkor (Remembrance) prayer is no different from dynamics used to placate the strong group…. [I]n an era when most of the fighters come from another place in society — from a close connection to Jewish tradition, from settlements and yeshivas — the version of Yizkor has been adapted, unpleasant as it is to say, to those for whom the prayer might be said

  11. Ira Glunts says:

    More support for Eisner.

    link to ynetnews.com

    83 reservist commanders and soldiers who served under Eisner wrote a letter to the Chief of Staff of the army calling the suspended deputy commander both moral and ethical. The letter of praise and support mentions that Eisner once came to the aid of a pregnant Palestinian woman at the checkpoint. Nice.

    In addition a prominent right-wing rabbi chimed in:

    Dov Lior, a prominent rightist rabbi, said the “hypocritical condemnations” of the incident are meant to “appease the nations of the world. Thus, they serve our enemies at home and abroad and deal a severe blow to the IDF.”

  12. RE: “The shocking video of the Israeli lieutenant colonel smashing a Danish cyclist in the face with a rifle…” ~ Ira Glunts

    THE HASBARIST SEZ (TRYING TO CREATE A LITTLE MAYHEM):
    This is obviously yet another slick Pallywood production (funded by commie-pinko-liberal “outside agitators”) using special effects to fake this incident and thereby try to delegitimize Israel by making The World’s Most Moral Army™ look like a bunch of Mussolini’s ‘black shirts’.
    How dare Mondoweiss publish these blood libels!
    How dare they!
    How dare they!
    How dare they!

  13. judithbell says:

    I would comment but have now tried to post 5 times. It is strange that an organization that says its about ideas and is so outraged by what it sees as a “facist, non-democratic” regime will not publish any opinion that challenges its own.

    So you will censor me and then you will censor each other. Good luck to you.

    • Mooser says:

      “I would comment but have now tried to post 5 times.”

      Try registering for an account, and then logging in with your user name and password. Use an internet-connected computer and make sure your ISP account is paid.

  14. clubroma says:

    Sooner or later, the IDF will get sick and tired of humiliating and degrading the Palestinian people and turn their attention to other races/religions. Like this blue eyed blond haired Ayran boy. What’s even worse is the tremendous support given to the lieutenant colonel by jewish people around the world. He’ll be promoted within 6 months. This whole situation has been going on for way too long and its starting to head in one indisputable direction. Unfortunately for the Isreali’s they don’t seem to realise this !!!

    • Mooser says:

      “and turn their attention to other races/religions.”

      I agree. I have no doubt the Israelis will turn on each other. God will not spare all the seculars and atheist who infest Israel for the sake of the real Jews (settlers, ultra-religious, ultra-orthodox, haredim, whatever) forever. At some point a line must be drawn, and purity maintained!
      A Jewish State of seculars and atheists? God Forbid!

    • Fredblogs says:

      ROFL. Ridiculous nonsense.

      • Mooser says:

        Fred, shut up, m’okay? You don’t live in Israel, and you don’t know bugger-all about what goes on there. You live in America. Now excuse me till my bile goes back down.
        Jeez Fred, where did you go to school? Where do you live? What does it take to produce something like you? Did the mohel not know the difference between a circumcision and a lobotomy?

        And what is so wrong with Israel that you won’t go there? You would rather stay here and be rifle-whipped by Danish anti-Semites?

        • Fredblogs says:

          Gee, a hostile, insulting person on a web site wants to know where I live? Why, so you know where to send the letter bomb? OK, I’ll tell you. Somewhere in America. Where did I go to school? Also somewhere in America. I’ll give you a hint though. Israel is safer than the city I live in. What’s wrong with Israel is the same thing wrong with the rest of America, where I also am not moving. It is not where my work is, or my friends.

        • Shingo says:

          Israel is safer than the city I live in.

          I bet there are more Jews killed in Israel than in the city you live.

        • seafoid says:

          Very disturbing story from Tel Aviv

          link to haaretz.com

  15. marc b. says:

    the video is still the second story on TV5Monde, the French international tv broadcast, sandwiched between stories on the breivik trial. how’s that for juxtaposition?

    link to tv5.org

  16. Samuel says:

    The road in question, and other by-pass roads, are not “Jewish” roads and not restricted to “Jews” only.

    These roads are open equally to Israel’s Palestinian (Muslim and Christian) citizens who make up more than 20% of its population, without any connection to which god they worship. These roads are closed to Palestinians of the OT for security reasons (justified or not).

    By calling the roads “apartheid” or “Jewish only” roads, only adds fuel to the fire of claims of anti-semitic bias in this blog, and throws doubt on the accuracy of the reporting on this site.

    • Shmuel says:

      Apartheid is the reality – whether on the roads, in the allocation of resources (that do not belong to the occupying power or its citizens in the first place), or in the administration of justice. You don’t need a “pencil test” to conduct an apartheid regime.

      Citing “security”, or “citizenship” as the determining factor, only serves to excuse and perpetuate the intolerable situation in the OPT.

      • Samuel says:

        Yes, but it’s a very different reality if the discrimination is “citizen vs occupied” rather than “Jew vs Arab”.
        “Apartheid” evokes separation on a racial basis which is intolerable and immoral, and the use of this term in the I/P context of the separation barrier or roads is counter-productive and unescessarily provocative.

        • Shmuel says:

          Yes, but it’s a very different reality if the discrimination is “citizen vs occupied” rather than “Jew vs Arab”.

          Maybe for lawyers and members of the de facto Herrenvolk. When you’re on the receiving end, it feels just the same.

          You see the apartheid terminology as inflammatory. Yet the security and citizenship terminology fail to provide an accurate representation of the reality on the ground, serving rather to downplay and even justify what is effectively institutionalised religio-ethnic discrimination.

          There are also important repercussions in international law, but I’ll leave that to the experts. See link to electronicintifada.net

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Yes, but it’s a very different reality if the discrimination is ‘citizen vs occupied’ rather than ‘Jew vs Arab’.”

          Not really, because they are essentially interchangeable when dealing with that part of de facto Israel which was seized in 1967. The fact that the Jews controlling Israel have established a legal fiction of citizenship is irrelevant, as it would be if the US passed a constitutional Amendment stating that Jews were not citizens and that non citizens were not entitled to any protections under the constitution. That would be apartheid even though it would be technically and legally only a question of citizenship.

          “‘Apartheid’ evokes separation on a racial basis which is intolerable and immoral,”

          It also evokes separation on ethnic basis (see the restrictions, for example, on Indians and mixed race people under Apartheid.) And it was intolerable and immoral in SA, just as similar separation based on ethno-religious background in de facto Israel is.

          “and the use of this term in the I/P context of the separation barrier or roads is counter-productive and unescessarily provocative.”

          No, it is necessary and truthful. Look, if Israel were to completely withdraw itself, its army, its colonists, completely from any and all lands seized in 1967, and end the Warsaw-ghetto-style siege of Gaza, you would have an argument that the term “apartheid” would no longer be correct. (It would still be a racist state, for sure, of course. Akin to pre-1960s America, given the level of vile bigotry by the ruling Jews for the Palestinian citizens of Israel.) Since it has had three generations to do that, and has not done one thing necessary to do so, and has, instead, followed the opposite track, one cannot take seriously the notion that this is not apartheid.

        • Mooser says:

          Shmuel, I really do get the feeling that what you are doing on this thread, with Newclench and now with “Samuel”, is a situation you wanted to avoid. And I don’t think you would do it if you didn’t feel it desperately needed doing. It can’t be pleasant. Please excuse the presumption, but I’ve been wondering what would happen when push came to shove here on this type of thing.

        • “Apartheid” evokes separation on a racial basis which is intolerable and immoral, and the use of this term in the I/P context of the separation barrier or roads is counter-productive and unescessarily provocative.

          there’s no such thing as unescessarily provocative. the situation on the ground is radically provocative as it is and we’re just telling the truth about it. of course you don’t like it, you’re supporting the team loosing the PR battle and you want to take away our tools. poor you. read the crime of apartheid lately? it fits like a tee.

          These roads are open equally to Israel’s Palestinian (Muslim and Christian) citizens who make up more than 20% of its population, without any connection to which god they worship. These roads are closed to Palestinians of the OT for security reasons (justified or not).

          but the settlements are jewish settlements are they not? or are you alleging 20% of the settlements are made up of Muslim and Christian? the communities are closed via ‘neighborhood committees’ aren’t they? these are cleansed areas are they not?

        • Samuel says:

          Not many Jews in Ramallah or Nablus in the OT, or even in Umm-al-fahem or Taibe – “neighboorhood commitees” maybe? Not many whites in Brixton South London either – apartheid? Muslim only settlements?
          And then there’s Acre, Haifa, Ramle, Lod, Jaffa – all mixed cities, god help us all! Next you know there’ll be interacial sex! Is that punishable by something? But what’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?

          The point is that the roads are not ethnically separated in any way, the ONLY criteria is having a blue ID card indicating citizenship, whether your name is Moshe or Musa or David or Doud. That is not “apartheid” however many times you repeat it. It’s deliberate misuse of a concept that is abhorrant in order to blacken what you don’t like. A bit like McCarthyism calling anything you disagree with “communism” however far from it in reality.

          But why let reality interfere with your ideology?

        • Shmuel says:

          I really do get the feeling that what you are doing on this thread, with Newclench and now with “Samuel”, is a situation you wanted to avoid.

          That makes one of us. If you’re talking about confronting relatively moderate current and former Israelis, I’ve been doing it for years, and it’s no skin off my nose. Did I miss something?

        • Mooser says:

          If Shmuel spent an adequate amount of time refuting, from his own knowledge and experience, the claims made by others about conditions in Israel, he would never ever get away from this blog. So I can understand why he doesn’t, but I’m grateful each time he does. But it still begs the question (or begs for the question, I’m never sure how it goes) of why do they do it?. Why on earth would people post pretentiously authoritative statements on conditions in Israel which are going to be so easily shot down (like “fine machines in pieces on the ground” as the song says) perhaps by Shmuel from his own experience, or by others from their experience, or by many, many others using the resources on the Web?

          There’s an astounding psychological mechanism at work here, and I can’t understand it at all. “Ziocaine amnesia” is my way of making a joke out of it, but it is alarming. It’s like waking up in the morning and expecting reality to be suspended during the night, so things will fall up today.

        • Mooser says:

          “Did I miss something?”

          I thought it was a situation you wanted to avoid here, at this blog, in certain ways. And I could be wrong, it was just a feeling I got, and a situational one, and not intended to cast a single aspersion on your truthfulness or willingness to confront the truth. I just got a feeling you wanted to avoid that type of individual confrontation here. And although it would set the universe on its ear, and send all the planets and stars whirling off into the void, I could be wrong.
          But as I said, no matter how often or seldom you do it here, I’m grateful for it, and realise that any analysis by me is presumptuous, for which I apologise.

        • Shmuel says:

          Thanks for the vote of confidence and for your concern, Mooser. I don’t avoid individual confrontation here, but would rather try to add something to the “real” discussion when I can, than just have the same conversations over and over again. What I choose to comment on is also a function of the amount of time I have to spend here. Lately, I’ve had a little more time on my hands than usual.

        • Mooser says:

          “Lately, I’ve had a little more time on my hands than usual.”

          Thanks for responding.
          And your loss (of things to do at the moment) is incontestably a gain for Mondoweiss! May you always have more than enough time on your hands to comment here.

        • Mooser says:

          “That makes one of us”

          True. My deductions often put me in that kind of majority.

        • Fredblogs says:

          @Samuel
          Same thing lots of other sex is punishable by. Kids.

      • Talkback says:

        I agree with Shmuel. Even South African Apartheid fighters say that the situation in Palestine is worse than Apartheid. Let’s call it Zionism.

        • ritzl says:

          @Talkback Hafrada is the Hebrew name. History should record it that way. Complete separation is the objective (note 10m-high walls so Israelis don’t have to see what’s happening on the other side). Far worse than SA Apartheid.

  17. Mooser says:

    Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know, once Army Officers start wearing, instead of the mandated uniform, various signs of their own political leanings (swastika, or kippah or something) and the Army tolerates it, you can usually write that country off.
    Hey Fredblogs, would you like to tell me about how American Army Officers are allowed to wear headgear indicating their political leanings, and willingness to dis-obey orders from the command?

    • eljay says:

      >> Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I know, once Army Officers start wearing, instead of the mandated uniform, various signs of their own political leanings (swastika, or kippah or something) and the Army tolerates it, you can usually write that country off.

      Jewish state –> Jewish uniform. Makes sense…doesn’t it? Maybe Mr. Eisner is just an under-appreciated patriot (who happens to like smashing unarmed cyclists in the face with an assault rifle as he enforces his Jewish state’s occupation and colonization of Palestine).

    • dimadok says:

      Wearing a kippah does not count as a political statement. I think this time you went too far for the gigs. This is a disgusting comment of yours. Shame on you.

      • seafoid says:

        Dim

        Kippa and beard signify Israeli “religious” = goy “sociopath” in the Israeli Army

        Zvi Bar-El :

        ” As long as the IDF boasts of how many religious Jews it has among its combat ranks, it shouldn’t be surprised by the fact that religious Jews have an agenda. They either have friends in the settlements or are themselves are residents of settlements who won’t lend a hand to house demolitions there, even if the houses were built illegally. ”

        link to haaretz.com

    • Fredblogs says:

      Wow, you’re comparing a kippah to a swastika? That kind of speaks for itself about your character.

  18. eljay says:

    >> You mean the Kippah is now an official part of the IDF uniform?

    Dunno. But it makes sense to me, what with Israel being a Jewish state instead of an Israeli state.

  19. “The road is designated for Jewish travelers only.”

    Oh please. The road is designated for Israeli travelers only.
    I find it really hard to believe Ira Glunts doesn’t know the distinction by now.

    • Shingo says:

      I find it really hard to believe Ira Glunts doesn’t know the distinction by now.

      Oh please. I find it really hard to believe you still pretend that’s a distinction without a difference by now.

      • Fredblogs says:

        Actually, I think if you read your statement carefully, you’ll find that you are the one pretending it is a distinction without a difference. While pz777 is saying that it is a distinction with a difference.

        • Shingo says:

          I’m not pretending about anything. PZ admits there are no Arabs living in the settlements, thus they are Jewish only roads.

    • seafoid says:

      PZ
      They are 20% of the Israeli population- how many “Israeli Arabs” live in the settlements ?

    • Zero. How many Jews live in Um al-Fahm?

      • Shingo says:

        Zero.

        Thanks for confirming they are Jewish only roads.

      • Sumud says:

        Is Umm al Fahm a Palestinian settlement built on stolen Israeli land in Palestinian-occupied Israel is it..?

        No.

        The governing power in Israel AND the Occupied Palestinian Territories is Israel. It isn’t Palestinians preventing Israeli jews from living in Um Al Fahm.

        The fact that Israeli Palestinians can drive on these segregated roads doesn’t undo the fact that the segregated roads exist; it doesn’t undo the fact they are built in Palestine and Palestinians can’t drive on them because they are the WRONG RELIGION.

        It doesn’t change the fact if you’re an Israeli settler living illegally in Palestine you live under a completely different legal system than Palestinians. The others – who might live in the house next door – they are treated differently solely on the basis of THEIR RELIGION.

        It also doesn’t change the fact that Palestinians are considered so inferior to Israeli jews that they aren’t granted the right to vote.

        Apartheid.

        Imagine the outcry that would follow if Iran suddenly decided that Iranian jews were no longer allowed to vote. Why does Israel get away with it?