• thanks bumblebye, i liked your longer version, switched them.

      here’s a funny example of the ‘explosion’ over what he said at the UK’s spectator blog by a well known conservative british journalist :
      link to blogs.spectator.co.uk

      My friend woke me up this morning. I am in a tiny apartment in Italy, finishing a book. I mean writing one, not reading one. Anyway, he rang as I was dozing — dreaming, bizarrely, that I had just been shortlisted for the Turner Prize – and delivered this torrent of violence down the phone. His animus, which was fabulous, immense, was directed towards a person called Owen Jones whom he had watched on Question Time yesterday evening. I cannot quote his diatribe in full because of the prohibition in these parts about the excessive use of foul language. But it was something like ‘F****** third form arrogant public school infantile leftist ****, vile smug and self-righteous tosser…….’ And so it went on. I have come across this halfwit before, when I read a very bad book he had written. But it takes a lot to make my friend upset. So it is all a bit of a mystery, which I pondered later as I had my espresso while basking in the glorious late Autumn sunshine of Positano, with the Med as still as a Lib Dem’s pulse. Was this pig-ignorant idiot really as annoying as he found? Or was it just a pretext to disturb my sabbatical?

      hundreds of comments!

      • Oh dear! I’ve heard Owen a lot on radio, and he takes a fair amount of flak for looking and sounding so young (sometimes it winds him up, natch) from persons of, erm, differing political views (ie Edwina Currie, Charlie Wolf -and sometimes the shows presenter, usually Stephen Nolan)), but he absolutely did not go to any public school (here, those are the private schools), he went to the worst comprehensive school in his town, but then (I think) to Oxford.

      • Actually annie, Rod Liddle, who wrote that nasty screed against Owen, is a member of the Labour Party – though his views are more at home with the BNP
        link to en.wikipedia.org

        When I listen to that clip I don’t hear a “halfwit” or someone who’s “pig-ignorant”, I do know Owen’s a committed Labourite. He stands for everything Liddle’s opposed to. Check out Liddle’s unpleasantry in his personal life too. Misogynist much?

      • Makes me laugh when a Tory paper like the Spectator sneers at someone for being ‘public school’. It’s clear to me from Owen Jones’ accent that he did NOT go to a public school – not that that would change the merit of his views in any case. Speaking of which, it’s equally clear that the little screed above does nothing to challenge those views at ALL, and opts for the old ad hominem instead, in a particularly lame and infantile manner. Weak.

        Oh, and while I often slag off British TV for being too pro-Israel, I very much doubt that ANY mainstream American journalist would are to say even a fraction of what Jones said, or that any US network channel would broadcast it if he did.

  1. Jake Wallis Simmons writing in the Telegraph, criticizing Owen Jones:

    “In a nutshell, this is why. All of the “occupied territory” was taken when Israel was attacked, en masse, by an Arab world with genocidal intent. It happened in 1948, immediately after Israel was established. It happened again in 1967. It happened in 1973, when Israel was very nearly obliterated and suffered heavy losses. In each of these three occasions, Israel was attacked by an Arab coalition drunken with hatred; the Jewish state managed, against the odds, to defend itself, gaining territory in the process. Most of that territory – such as the oil-rich Sinai, and Gaza – was returned, often in return for peace. The subsequent wars, some of which Israel instigated in response to various acts of terror, did not result in significant territorial conquest; or if it did, the territory was immediately returned.”

    ——–

    How is that crap still possible? Genocidal 1948 war? Really?

    I guess if that is the best hasbara the Zios and their supporters can come up with, then Owen Jones really has them in a fit.

    • Genocidal 1948 war? Really?

      Against the odds? Really?
      To defend itself but somehow gaining territory in the process? Really?

      Is it any wonder they have lost the info war?

    • I love Jake Wallis Simmons’s use of passive voice: “It happened in 1948, immediately after Israel was established.” (Never trust the passive voice!)

      Dear Mr. Simmons: Israel “was established” by the use of terrorism (to expel the British from Britain’s Palestine Mandate) and terrorism/war-and-state-terrorism (to expel the Palestinians). Israel was not established by the Balfour declaration, which merely promised Jews a Homeland in Ottoman-ruled Palestine, a place Britain/Balfour had no business promising in any way shape or form to anyone. The jolly League of Nations folded the language of Balfour into the Mandate which it “gave” to Britain, the League similarly having no possessory rights to justify giving Palestine to anyone. But neither Balfour nor Mandate “gave” a right to anyone to create a “Jewish State”, merely a “Jewish Homeland”, in Palestine.

      Gag. Real history is such a drag. I understand why you use the passive voice. simplifies things, doesn’t it?

  2. @Cliff:

    I just tried to sign up to a Telegraph account to put the record straight.

    I don’t think I’ve seen one article or comment that directly challenges any of Jones’ facts but plenty of those who claim they’re false without offering any information to the contrary.

    Just a lot of obfuscation and lies.

  3. Annie/Phil Chris Hayes ripped it up this morning on his program UP about Israel’s most recent attacks on the Gaza. He focused on how Abbas’s efforts have been persistently undermined by US administrations and of course Israel. How the US MSM has ignored peaceful Palestinian actions over the years. How illegal settlements and settlers have increased since Abbas came into power. When Abbas stepped in illegal settler numbers in the West Bank were 250,000 and increased in that time period to 350,000. Chris Hayes …Abbas “has seen basically nothing”

    Chris going much much further than any other MSNBC host has ever gone on this critical issue. You are going to want to hear Chris Hayes “Story of the Week” blowing through the wall of silence. Unable to link

    • Chris Hayes blows another hole in the wall of silence on the I/P conflict. Those like Abbas who really try hard to negotiate “get rolled” by Israel and the US

  4. All the applause for Owen Jones in this video reminded me about a debate on Norwegian TV the other day.

    link to tv.nrk.no

    In the panel was the foreign minister and a politician from the largest opposition party. (Both was very mild in their critique of Israel) And 1 Palestinian woman and 1 Israeli woman, and a man from the Red Party and a man from Friends of Israel in the parliament.

    4 people in the audience was also asked questions – The Israeli ambassador to Norway Naim Araidi, a priest from Oslo, and Vibeke Løkkeberg (who made the movie Tears of Gaza), and former PM Kåre Willoch who now supports Palestine (when he is old and retired). Like Carter….?

    After the ambassador and the other supporters of Israel had answered questions with the usual hasbara there was NO applause or only ONE person applauding VERY loud. (they never showed who that was).

    All the other people got massive applause just like Owen Jones did.

    Things are changing…

    I think:

    Internet Killed Israeli PR:

    People know more….

  5. Syndicated columnist Joel Brinkley has a very one-sided column today in the San Francisco Chronicle and goodness knows how many other newspapers. For example, he writes, “When Hamas began firing hundreds of missiles at Israel this month, and Israel understandably responded . . . ” and “Neither Morsi nor any other Egyptian official offered even glancing acknowledgment of the rocket volleys Hamas fired into Israel. That’s what ignited this current crisis, not anything Israel did–other than exist” and “Find me a single nation on Earth–including Egypt–that would not respond if terrorists fired missiles at its two largest cities.”

    We’ve got to write rebuttals to this kind of distortion, try to get them into print, and ask editors of the newspapers that carry Joel Brinkley to stop carrying him.

  6. This is wonderful Annie, thanks for this.

    You know, as I watched this, it struck me. On those rare occasions where someone like Owen is allowed to state the facts in response to the pro Israeli narrative, those who’s just delivered those false arguments just tend to sit there like a deer in the headlights. They don’t challenge the facts, they usually just remain silent or change the subject and resort to mantras about Israel’s right to exist and Hamas’charter etc.

    What this tells us is that these Israeli shills know the facts, they just hope and pray no one is willing to call them out and challenge their version of events.