UN approves Palestinian status upgrade with 138-9 vote (and US Senators threaten to cut aid)

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Palestinians watch Mahmoud Abbas address the United Nations General Assembly in a video broadcast onto the Separation Wall in Bethlehem. (Photo: George Hale)

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At around 5:00 pm in New York City, the United Nations General Assembly voted to approve Palestine’s bid to become a non-member observer state. The final vote stood at 138 in favor, 9 against and 41 abstentions. The United States voted against the measure along with Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic and Micronesia.

Following the vote U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice made a statement explaining the U.S. position. She downplayed the vote and promised it would do nothing to ease the occupation saying, “Progress toward a just and lasting two-state solution cannot be made by pressing a green voting button here in this hall. Nor does passing any resolution create a state where none indeed exists or change the reality on the ground.”

Here is the full U.S. statement:

For decades, the United States has worked to help achieve a comprehensive end to the long and tragic Arab-Israeli conflict. We have always been clear that only through direct negotiations between the parties can the Palestinians and Israelis achieve the peace that both deserve: two states for two peoples, with a sovereign, viable and independent Palestine living side by side in peace and security with a Jewish and democratic Israel.

That remains our goal, and we therefore measure any proposed action against that clear yardstick: will it bring the parties closer to peace or push them further apart? Will it help Israelis and Palestinians return to negotiations or hinder their efforts to reach a mutually acceptable agreement? Today’s unfortunate and counterproductive resolution places further obstacles in the path to peace. That is why the United States voted against it.

The backers of today’s resolution say they seek a functioning, independent Palestinian state at peace with Israel. So do we.

But we have long been clear that the only way to establish such a Palestinian state and resolve all permanent-status issues is through the crucial, if painful, work of direct negotiations between the parties. This is not just a bedrock commitment of the United States. Israel and the Palestinians have repeatedly affirmed their own obligations under existing agreements to resolve all issues through direct negotiations, which have been endorsed frequently by the international community. The United States agrees—strongly.

Today’s grand pronouncements will soon fade. And the Palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and find that little about their lives has changed, save that the prospects of a durable peace have only receded.

The United States therefore calls upon both the parties to resume direct talks without preconditions on all the issues that divide them. And we pledge that the United States will be there to support the parties vigorously in such efforts.

The United States will continue to urge all parties to avoid any further provocative actions—in the region, in New York, or elsewhere.

We will continue to oppose firmly any and all unilateral actions in international bodies or treaties that circumvent or prejudge the very outcomes that can only be negotiated, including Palestinian statehood. And, we will continue to stand up to every effort that seeks to delegitimize Israel or undermine its security.

Progress toward a just and lasting two-state solution cannot be made by pressing a green voting button here in this hall. Nor does passing any resolution create a state where none indeed exists or change the reality on the ground.

For this reason, today’s vote should not be misconstrued by any as constituting eligibility for U.N. membership. It does not. This resolution does not establish that Palestine is a state.

The United States believes the current resolution should not and cannot be read as establishing terms of reference. In many respects, the resolution prejudges the very issues it says are to be resolved through negotiation, particularly with respect to territory. At the same time, it virtually ignores other core questions such as security, which must be solved for any viable agreement to be achieved.

President Obama has been clear in stating what the United States believes is a realistic basis for successful negotiations, and we will continue to base our efforts on that approach.

The recent conflict in Gaza is just the latest reminder that the absence of peace risks the presence of war. We urge those who share our hopes for peace between a sovereign Palestine and a secure Israel to join us in supporting negotiations, not encouraging further distractions. There simply are no short cuts.

Long after the votes have been cast, long after the speeches have been forgotten, it is the Palestinians and the Israelis who must still talk to each other—and listen to each other—and find a way to live side by side in the land they share.

Original Post:

Above is the livestream of the United Nations– this morning the “Special meeting of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People.” Gaza is still fresh on our minds, says the chair, a thought echoed by UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. “I share the frustration that the two state solution seems ever more distant,” he says in urging all parties to “breathe new life into the peace process, which is now on life support.”

Vuc Jeremic, president of the General Assembly, says today will be historic; and no problem has bedevilled the UN so long as this one.

Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, says We shall never leave this land. And calls on the UN to affirm a two state solution and the right of refugees to return to their homes.

Iran’s representative has called for implementation of the two-state solution, and an end to the occupation, including of East Jerusalem — “a fair and credible peace process, based on the relevant UN resolutions,” the Arab Peace Initiative, and the Road Map.

Roger Waters is to deliver a speech on behalf  UPDATE: Roger Waters, speaking as a member of the Russell Tribunal, emphasized the American responsibility for the conflict. “The battleground is here at the headquarters of the United Nations and simultaneously in new York city with access ot the media.” The great challenge, he said, is to inform the American people of their responsibility for supporting Israeli violations of human rights.

You can read the draft of the General Assembly resolution under consideration here.

Meanwhile, Republican senators swung into action yesterday afternoon. From Lara Friedman at Peace Now:

The first shot has been fired in the much-anticipated Congressional battle to punish the Palestinians for seeking to upgrade their status at the UN – and to also punish any UN agencies and any countries that support them.

The vehicle for this attack is S. 3254 – the highly contentious National Defense Authorization Act, which the Senate is now considering.   For those who keep track of these sorts of things, there is NOTHING in the NDAA that in any way relates to the Palestinians.  No funding, no programs – nothing.  But that hasn’t stopped Senators Barrasso (R-WY), Lee (R-UT), and Inhofe (R-OK) from introducing an amendment whose purpose is defined as “To provide for restrictions on foreign assistance related to the status of the Palestinian mission to the United Nations.”  A copy of the amendment, which was filed this afternoon, is available here.  Senator Barrasso’s press release touting introduction of the amendment is available here.

Barrasso statement:

“The best path to a true and lasting peace is through direct negotiations between the two parties — not through manipulations at the United Nations,” said Barrasso.  “The Palestinian Authority’s attempt to change their United Nations’ status is a purely political maneuver that will circumvent direct peace process negotiations with Israel.  If the Palestinians move forward with this irresponsible plan, they will violate international agreements, undermine the peace process and threaten the security of our ally.  My amendment makes it clear that undermining the peace process comes at a cost.”

Barrasso’s amendment specifically cuts 50 percent of the total U.S. funds to the Palestinian Authority (PA) and also to any U.N. entity that grants the Palestinians a status change. It also reduces 20 percent of all U.S. foreign assistance to any country voting for the status change. 

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  1. yourstruly
    November 29, 2012, 11:06 am

    it’s very likely that senate approval of this resolution would strengthen rather that weaken palestinian resolve to push forward against the occupiers. gulf oil money can easily make up for the measly millions that the u.s. withholds. sure, the gulf potentates’ instincts will be to support u.s.-israel in punishing the palestinians, but said scoundrels are keenly aware that among their people, same as everywhere else in the arab/islamic world, openly turning against the palestinians could redound against the powers that be. as for punishing the nations that support the palestinian u.n. bid – alone now in a cruel world, with only the zionist entity & a few island nations in the south pacific as its “friends”, how’s this going to play on main street, u.s.a.? sure looks like israel’s (not its peoples’) days are numbered.

    • MRW
      November 29, 2012, 5:39 pm

      it’s very likely that senate approval of this resolution would strengthen rather that weaken palestinian resolve to push forward against the occupiers.

      Yup. Travel restrictions too.

    • Citizen
      November 30, 2012, 8:57 am

      Both Truman coerced a few tiny dependent states to swing in favor of UN ’47 partition & Obama just coerced a few more to vote against Palestinian statehood bid . Truman did so as he needed Jewish American power to run and retain his office, the same reason he subsequently pushed recognition of Israel against the advice of US State Dept & diplomatic corps–otherwise the Zionists would throw their heavy weight to Dewey. Obama’s in his second term, yet he still chooses to rubber-stamp Israel when it must be obvious to him the American regime’s NO vote is on the wrong side of this long sordid history. He still babbles about being an honest broker, sitting between two direct negotiators, as if a bound slave could negotiate with his master’s whip.

      I conclude Obama thinks he must continue to honor the fruitless (to the Palestinians) “peace process” charade because he still needs the Democratic-controlled Senate, which is owned by AIPAC (Even more than GOP House), to get his stuff passed to change America’s backyard according to his liking. In short, the Palestinians are expendable for anyone wanting anything from the US Congress, both branches.

  2. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    November 29, 2012, 11:08 am

    ”Vuc Jeremic, president of the General Assembly, says today will be historic;”

    Is this the same Vud Jeremic who has essentially consented to having 15% of his country’s territory lopped off to form the ‘independent state of Kosovo”? Sounds a bit like a Balkan Abbas.

  3. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 11:11 am

    Not a mention about this critical vote on Cspan’s Washington Journal or on the Diane Rehm show. I know for a fact that Washington Journal has been hammered by Camera and so they seem to avoid the topic except for callers, and it has been years that the Rehm show has focused on the illegal settlements for any length of time. They have had quite a few shows promoting Israel’s point of view the last year…but started going through their archive awhile back to document how they have changed their coverage.

    Not a whisper about this vote on either outlet. Will be interesting to see or hear who covers this vote or not. We know Chris Hayes will be talking about it this coming weekend. He is the only MSMer to go where no one else will go

  4. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 11:18 am

    An interesting perspective up over at Foreign Policy about the issue “State of Confusion”

    Contacted the “US Mission to the UN” Hope other folks go over there and give the Rice team a thing to two to chew on about this vote. Let them know we are out here

  5. dbroncos
    November 29, 2012, 11:18 am

    Barrasso, Inhofe and Lee can’t be concerned with winning a bigger chunk of the Jewish vote in their respective states. According to the Jewish Virtual Library, the Jewish populations in Oklahoma, Wyoming and Utah are as follows:

    Oklahoma: 4,700 0.1%

    Utah: 5,385 0.9%

    Wyoming: 950 0.1%

    • piotr
      November 29, 2012, 5:32 pm

      Do not forget Pacific Islanders. Israel is very popular on the islands, with supportive votes from Nauru, Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau. I will need to check the votes from Fiji, Kiribati, Samoa, Tonga and Tuvalu to make full assessment.

      However, the vote in UN is disappointing in some ways. I really thought that Latvia would support Israel.

      • J. Otto Pohl
        November 30, 2012, 1:54 pm

        They only got the Czech Republic in Europe. It appears there is a mutual Czech-Israeli admiration society. Each state admiring the ethnic cleansing committed by the other during the 1940s. The Israelis view the Germans from the Sudetenland and Zipser as European Palestinians and the Czechs view the Palestinian Arabs as the Sudeten Germans of the Middle East. The Czechs much more so than Poland have been very reluctant to admit to any wrong doing in expelling their ethnic Germans and Hungarians at the end of WWII. I think this continued support for their own ethnic cleansing is what binds the Czechs to the Israelis.

        • Mooser
          December 2, 2012, 12:33 pm

          “The Czechs much more so than Poland have been very reluctant to admit to any wrong doing in expelling their ethnic Germans and Hungarians at the end of WWII. I think this continued support for their own ethnic cleansing is what binds the Czechs to the Israelis.”

          We go through a lot of firewood at Moosehall, and I know where I’m going to have my ax ground when it gets dull. Nobody grinds an ax like J Otto Pohl!

      • AlGhorear
        November 30, 2012, 4:44 pm

        Piotr “I will need to check the votes from Fiji, Kiribati, Samoa, Tonga and Tuvalu to make full assessment.”

        Fiji, Samoa, and Tonga abstained.
        Kiribati was absent.
        Tuvalu voted in favor :)

        Full Voting record is at this link
        It’s interesting to see how the different countries voted and sad to see that Canada is getting as bad as the US.

    • Boston
      November 29, 2012, 6:21 pm

      It doesn’t matter if there are zero Jewish voters in your district.

      If you don’t do as AIPAC et al tell you, your funding will dry up, a puppet candidate will be found to run against you with huge dollars backing him or her, and the media will put the knife in.

    • Citizen
      November 30, 2012, 9:12 am

      @ dbroncos
      It’s not about the Jewish vote in US states with few Jews, it’s more indirect, it’s the AIPAC network and compliant main media. There’s a reason why the Zionists send in Zionist handlers and big cash from around the US to local non-Jewish candidates with constituencies nearly all non-Jewish. When one’s underlying agenda is Israel First, this singular horse can be traded for much among the more motley stable of horses.

      There are volunteer staffers and gophers from AIPAC in the offices of every rural congress person. Of course they are really not free to the user.

  6. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 11:19 am

    Hope folks will post any other comments they hear about this vote anywhere in our MSM or other blogs etc

    • Kathleen
      November 29, 2012, 11:46 am

      If only the US MSM actually covered what other nations are saying about the actions of Israel, open up Americans eyes and ears to what is really going on. But CNN’s Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, Fox News, NPR will not be reporting what has been said and documented at this hearing and vote. Silence in our MSM. Keep Americans in the bubble of Israeli propaganda as much as possible.

      • seafoid
        November 29, 2012, 2:43 pm

        It’ll break, the bubble of ignorance. YESHA won’t survive this either. Gay people were oppressed for so long. Blacks were oppressed for so long. Women had to fight for equality. Jews had to fight for respect . All of those battles were hard. All were resisted by the Maddows of their time.

        • Kathleen
          November 29, 2012, 4:03 pm

          And Maddow has resisted this shift. She is a human rights phony

      • MRW
        November 29, 2012, 5:43 pm

        Israel and the US in the real Left Behind series. But Americans DO know about Israel bombing Gaza recently, and that has not sit well. So let the US MSM refuse to cover it. The story will be shaped by other countries and there will be nothing the US or Israel can do about it.

  7. kalithea
    November 29, 2012, 12:24 pm

    Anyone who really cares about the rights and freedom of Palestinians will address, expose, analyze and dissect Zionist Power to its core and conduct a study on the inherent evil that is at the center of Zionism because all other issues are peripheral and pursuing endless avenues of discussion on the plight of Palestinians only will have absolutely no effect on breaking through Zionist injustice.

    It’s time to focus on the REAL PROBLEM, Zionism, and devote all efforts to tearing down the structure of oppression and evil that is Zionism. It’s time to do away with the immoral and offensive GOLDEN CALF that Zionism really is.

  8. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 12:28 pm

    Oh yeah Roger Waters calls out the US “bullying” He brings up Rachel Corrie. Brings up other activist who have been killed by Israel. Cindy Corrie when asked was she upset that her daughter had been out protesting when she was crushed by an Israeli bulldozer. Cindy “no I am upset that we were all not out there with her” Go Roger Waters Go!

    • W.Jones
      November 29, 2012, 1:53 pm

      makin me sentimental.

    • seafoid
      November 29, 2012, 2:43 pm

      Cindy Corrie reminds me of Cindy Sheehan. 2 amazing women who lost children to US imperialism, who never give up. 2 women on the right side of history, 2 inspirations.

  9. kalithea
    November 29, 2012, 1:15 pm

    When I stated that the focus should be on Zionists and Zionism, I don’t just mean the Lobby, I mean Zionist influence in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., and a few other countries in the media and politics that infects public perception and political/military decisions on a wider scale. W&M’s “The Lobby” was but the tip of the iceberg that should be taken much further. People in the U.S. are hopelessly duped; therefore then effort to bring Zionism down is more urgent than ever. The Evil that is Zionism and Zionist Power and how it negatively impacts global stability, subverts democracy, morality and humanity should become front and center in all discussions before the stranglehold on the Palestinians can be loosened. Mark my words, exposing the inherent evil in Zionism and shaming Zionists for what they’re doing is the only route that will work.

    • yourstruly
      November 29, 2012, 4:52 pm

      i agree, but won’t it take what amounts to a simul-blast. blast the zionists for having stolen palestine and at the same time blast the truth out about palestine, its people and what justice for palestine will entail.

    • American
      November 29, 2012, 7:54 pm

      Mark my words, exposing the inherent evil in Zionism and shaming Zionists for what they’re doing is the only route that will work.”

      The ony thing will work is to expose the politicians like the ones, I am listening to right now–Schumer, Graham, et al…and WHY they enable Israeli war crimes.

  10. Opti
    November 29, 2012, 1:18 pm

    I don’t think the stream is working. It’s all black to me with background sound of what seems like an Arab family speaking together :)

    It seems like Palestine became a UN non-member state today. Now the ICC represents a possible bargaining chip on the side of Palestinians: give us peace or we will give you ICC Justice.

    Israeli war-makers should still be prosecuted for their crimes against Humanity… dating back from 1948, 1967, 1973, etc… etc… etc…, Sharon, Olmert, Netanyahu, Barak, the whole gang. They are no different than Milosevic. Also, reparations are in place for 65+ years of occupation, theft, and terror. It’s called Justice.

    • Sumud
      November 29, 2012, 5:27 pm

      As I understand it the ICC can only take action from 2002 onwards when it came into existence. Still, there’s a awful lot that has happened in the last decade…

    • Citizen
      November 30, 2012, 9:22 am

      @ Opti
      England is acutely aware of this; it offered to vote Yes favoring the Palestinian bid for higher status–but conditional on promise not to go after Israeli war-makers. The Palestinians did not do so, so England did not vote Yes.

  11. HarryLaw
    November 29, 2012, 1:24 pm

    What is the difference between a criminal who threatens his victim with severe consequences if the victim reports a crime? and the US doing the same thing with the Palestinians with regard to the ICC, of course there is no difference, they are both criminal actions.

    • mondonut
      November 29, 2012, 2:41 pm

      HarryLaw says: … US doing the same thing with the Palestinians with regard to the ICC, of course there is no difference, they are both criminal actions.
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      It is not a criminal act to withhold funding that the Palestinians have no right to. Same goes for funding various UN agencies. The wisdom of it is debatable, but we certainly get to take our ball and go home.

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 29, 2012, 4:01 pm

        “Same goes for funding various UN agencies.”

        And, in retaliation, the UN should simply change the status of the USA to “observer” status and kick them off the UNSC.

        • mondonut
          November 30, 2012, 12:01 pm

          Woody Tanaka says: And, in retaliation, the UN should simply change the status of the USA to “observer” status and kick them off the UNSC.
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          Most people in the US would probably agree. Of course 25% of the UN budget would go along with us and we probably could kick them out of New York as well. Maybe it could relocate to Haiti and try its hand at state building.

        • Woody Tanaka
          November 30, 2012, 2:33 pm

          “Most people in the US would probably agree. Of course 25% of the UN budget would go along with us and we probably could kick them out of New York as well.”

          I think the UN should leave and go to some where in the decent part of the world, like France. The Security Counsel could then go on to useful work like instituting sanctions against the US and Israel until they stop acting like criminals.

      • Shingo
        November 29, 2012, 6:56 pm

        It is not a criminal act to withhold funding that the Palestinians have no right to.

        No one has a right to funding. It’s a privelage not an entitlement, though as a hasbrat, that concept might be dificult to fathom.

        The wisdom of it is debatable, but we certainly get to take our ball and go home.

        Who’s we? Likud?

      • Hostage
        November 29, 2012, 7:55 pm

        It is not a criminal act to withhold funding that the Palestinians have no right to. Same goes for funding various UN agencies.

        Correction: The US government helped draft Articles 17 and 19 of the UN Charter and the Senate ratified them knowing that they imposed binding treaty obligations:

        Article 17
        1. The General Assembly shall consider and approve the budget of the Organization.
        2. The expenses of the Organization shall be borne by the Members as apportioned by the General Assembly.

        Article 19
        A Member of the United Nations which is in arrears in the payment of its financial contributions to the Organization shall have no vote in the General Assembly if the amount of its arrears equals or exceeds the amount of the contributions due from it for the preceding two full years. The General Assembly may, nevertheless, permit such a Member to vote if it is satisfied that the failure to pay is due to conditions beyond the control of the Member.

        The UN resolution that was adopted today cited the fact that Israel has illegally transferred Palestinian prisoners outside of the Occupied Territory. That is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions and a war crime according to customary international law. The Israeli Supreme Court is aware of all that, but it has specifically refused to end the practice.

        Many Palestinians have been held illegally in Israel for decades. Why shouldn’t the Palestinians ignore the US and its allies when they try to protect the Israeli officials responsible for committing those crimes against their loved ones on their territory? This situation is a “serious crime of concern to the international community” that was explicitly included in the jurisdiction of the ICC.

        • mondonut
          November 30, 2012, 11:55 am

          Hostage says: Correction: The US government helped draft Articles 17 and 19 of the UN Charter and the Senate ratified them knowing that they imposed binding treaty obligations…
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          And that is exactly why I specified “agencies”, not the UN itself. Our funding of agencies such as UNESCO are not bound by treaty obligations. Same goes for the UN’s extra-budgetary spending, which exceeds $9B, payments to it are purely voluntary.

        • Hostage
          November 30, 2012, 4:18 pm

          And that is exactly why I specified “agencies”, not the UN itself.

          I’ve never seen anything in the Charter that prevents the General Assembly from subsidizing the agencies with funds from the general budget. God knows they “robbed Peter to pay Paul” in order to keep a peacekeeping force deployed in the Sinai for more than a decade and the ICJ ruled that the assessments for that, like everything else, have never been voluntary. See Certain Expenses of the United Nations (Article 17, paragraph 2, of the Charter) link to icj-cij.org

      • Dagon
        November 29, 2012, 8:13 pm

        fine.lets go all the way ICC.israelies and ALL their enablers.USians,congress ,senats, military,pols and all those who sold weapons ,banks,aipac .palesinians victims should sue the hell out of all zionist orgs,supporters,persons and institutions.Just like the zionists do we must do unto them a hundred fold .I really will not forgive or turn the other cheeck.Erin burnet on CNN had sylvan shalom on her show.Half hour later Iam still waiting for the palestinian reply.He must be too busy celebrating I guess.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 29, 2012, 3:07 pm

      I also wonder if they realise that, in trying to bully the Palestinians into not taking Israel to the ICC, they are effectively saying that Israel is as guilty as hell. After all, if Israel has nothing to hide, surely they would welcome the chance to clear their name in an international court? The Yanks and Israelis really are coming across like mafia bosses.

      • seafoid
        November 29, 2012, 4:27 pm

        Mafia bosses have some gravitas. The US looks like the people who made sure sir Jimmy Savile was never exposed as the paedophile he was.

      • Kathleen
        November 29, 2012, 5:16 pm

        “Israel is as guilty as hell” If they have nothing to hide then step up to the ICC plate.

      • piotr
        November 29, 2012, 6:06 pm

        Absolutely not, Maximus. Israel would have nothing to fear from an impartial court, e.g. US Congress. Moreover, Israel is uniquely vulnerable as a democracy with extremely clumsy spokes-creatures.

        Consider killing of journalists. Frankly, everybody does it (at least we do), but a less democratic or a less advanced country than Israel would either outright deny it or claim some error, fog of war etc. Only Israel goes ahead with statements by official press representatives that they thoroughly investigated the diseased prior to their (richly deserved) deaths and duly found them to be worthy targets of precise surgical strikes. An impartial court, as you may find in America would accept that as an expert testimony and rule accordingly. But sadly it cannot be guaranteed in ICC.

  12. Les
    November 29, 2012, 1:42 pm

    The lack of progress on peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians clearly does not frustrate our contented Congress.

    • BillM
      November 29, 2012, 3:26 pm

      Why would it? By cutting funding to every institution that includes Palestine, the US is making clear that it does not want to be part of a world that includes Palestinians. Increasingly, it isn’t.

    • Kathleen
      November 29, 2012, 4:06 pm

      Hell no part of the Israel lobby controlled congresses job to help stall stall stall as Israel continues to steal Palestinian land

  13. HarryLaw
    November 29, 2012, 3:05 pm

    Mondownut, “It is not a criminal act to with hold funding that the Palestinians have no right to” It is certainly an act of intimidation and by threatening all those nations who voted with the Palestinians with a withdrawal of funding from all the UN agencies who the Palestinians wish to join, the US are behaving like the mafia, no change there then.

    • piotr
      November 29, 2012, 6:31 pm

      Let me try to build a close analogy. In a free country like USA there is a doctrine of “employment at will”, so if the employment contract does not have something specific, you can fire employees on the spot.

      Suppose that I am a restaurant owner and a waitress outrageously accuses my most dear nephew of raping her. So far, only in a public statement, but not formally. What does the law say about the following

      a. in righteous anger I fire her on the spot

      b. I promise to fire her if she reports the alleged crime.

      I am afraid that a. may be my right, but b. is “obstructing justice” because I create a quid pro quo.

    • Hostage
      November 29, 2012, 8:05 pm

      Mondownut, “It is not a criminal act to with hold funding that the Palestinians have no right to”

      But it is illegal under the applicable humanitarian laws for an occupying power to attempt to evade its responsibilities by concluding “special agreements” that violate any rights secured by the Geneva Conventions.

    • mondonut
      November 30, 2012, 12:18 am

      HarryLaw says: It is certainly an act of intimidation and by threatening all those nations who voted with the Palestinians with a withdrawal of funding from all the UN agencies who the Palestinians wish to join, the US are behaving like the mafia, no change there then.
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      Withholding funds is not criminal. Nor is it ” mafia like”, nothing is being taken from anyone. The UN is not entitled to our funding.

      • Woody Tanaka
        November 30, 2012, 12:19 pm

        “Nor is it ” mafia like”, nothing is being taken from anyone. The UN is not entitled to our funding.”

        Yes, it’s absolutely mafia-like. Everything zios do reeks of racism and criminality, because it is at the core of zionism. And the US has, at the very least, a moral responsibility to fund it’s creation, the UN, and to actually believe in its mission and not only when it’s convenient or when the UN’s activity’s favor the US’s puppetmaster.

        I, for one, favor the UN simply dropping the US from the Security Counsel and make it a non-voting observer state, and then move the whole thing to somewhere like Berlin or Tokyo. If the US owes nothing to the UN, the UN owes nothing to the US.

    • Citizen
      November 30, 2012, 9:32 am

      @ HarryLaw
      The UN record on voting on anything Israel is full of examples of the US coercing small “sovereign” states totally dependent on US economic aid to vote with US on whatever Israel wants, e.g., swing vote on Partition, and on recognition of Israel as a state, the NO votes against Palestinian statehood that just occurred. The other complementary side of this: the scores of US UNSC vetos rubber-stamping Israel’s wishes.

      The US always votes against its own best interests when it comes to anything Israel. The history of this is a testament to the utter selfishness of Gentile American politicians. AIPAC counts on it, and is never wrong.

  14. BillM
    November 29, 2012, 4:21 pm

    Prosor just said the West Bank is the “heart of our country.”

  15. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 4:27 pm

    The Israeli Rep at the UN using all of the hot buttons, the Bible tells us so, 4000 year old history (always going up, Abbas refuses to recognize Israel (what a total absolute liar, Kind David. Then he refers to Gaza as half of the Palestinian land.

    “no quick fixes, no instant solution” 65 years….This arrogant man wants the continued stall stall stall. Then more warnings ..going to get worse for the Palestinians. “Israel wants peace” yeah right that is why Israel is stealing more land as this guy speaks. Not many claps

  16. BillM
    November 29, 2012, 4:37 pm

    The Israeli (and Canadian) thrust seems to be: Palestinians had a chance in 1948 and they didn’t take it, so F*** them.

    Whether or not one buys into that version of history, is that really a convincing argument to anyone? I don’t understand what focus group came up with this tack or why.

  17. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 5:02 pm

    Camera shifts to Ambassador Rice she peers at the votes with her apartheid protecting eyes.

    Rice sounds like a thug. An apartheid protecting thug

    • J. Otto Pohl
      November 30, 2012, 2:00 pm

      Rice has also been very bad news for Africa. She not only covers for Israeli crimes against Palestinian,s, but she has actively facilitated Rwandan and Ugandan crimes in Congo. Indeed since 1996 the US has been increasingly treating Rwanda as the Israel of Africa, a state engaged in wholesale aggression against its neighbor, but receiving unconditional US support.

  18. lysias
    November 29, 2012, 5:03 pm

    Just heard on RT: Palestine won the GA vote overwhelmingly!

  19. German Lefty
    November 29, 2012, 5:15 pm

    Yay! Long live Palestine!

    US Senators threaten to cut aid
    Interesting how the self-declared “greatest democracy in the world” respects a democratic decision!

  20. Kathleen
    November 29, 2012, 5:15 pm

    Where is the French translator?

  21. flyod
    November 29, 2012, 5:16 pm

    incredible watching rices rationalization of the us negative vote. just incredible. perhaps she should tell her minders that financing israels war machine is counter productive to peace. total hypocrite.
    today the world said no to zionism and rices bs

  22. David Doppler
    November 29, 2012, 5:28 pm

    Given Israel’s loud blustering threats to exact a cost if Palestine moved forward, followed by last second backing off, maybe the stupid mules in the Senate just hadn’t yet heard from their mule drivers that they weren’t going into action after all.

    Congress and AIPAC have to be held accountable (MSM too for ignoring it) for their reckless handling of the controls of our state. It seems clear Congress has turned over to AIPAC the ability to have Congress enact anything, without debate, discussion, or news coverage. I don’t think the electorate will tolerate that, once it becomes aware.

  23. HarryLaw
    November 29, 2012, 5:29 pm

    The UK’s abstention is pathetic, ever the US junior partner and willing stooge, one further disappointment is their taking the Israeli position on “negotiations without preconditions” which obviously means the Israelis can carry on settlement building while talks carry on for years as far as they are concerned.

  24. Woody Tanaka
    November 29, 2012, 5:31 pm

    YEAH!!! Good job, UN.

    It is interesting that the Palestinians got 93.8% approval of those states voting and 73.4% of the total chamber. This is compared to the vote which established Israel, which only garnered 71.7% of those voting and 58.9% of the total chamber.

    So clearly Palestine is a much more legitimate state than is Israel. Palestine was not only able to dominate the vote, but to do so in a United Nations which more accurately reflects the true, complete world than the imperialist-dominated one which voted on partition.

  25. MRW
    November 29, 2012, 5:38 pm

    Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic and Micronesia

    Representing the world powers.

  26. Walid
    November 29, 2012, 5:53 pm

    Mabrouke, Filastine. Filastine is now the UN’s 194th member and a few days from the 64th anniversary of UNGA Resolution 194 that includes a call for the return of the refugees.

    • talknic
      November 30, 2012, 10:06 am

      Walid November 29, 2012 at 5:53 pm

      ” Filastine is now the UN’s 194th member”

      Palestine is now a non-member observer state

      • Walid
        November 30, 2012, 5:08 pm

        You’re right of course, talknic, I got carried away in my excitement.

      • Hostage
        November 30, 2012, 5:56 pm

        Palestine is now a non-member observer state

        The resolution adopted by the General Assembly noted the UN has a goal of obtaining universal membership of all eligible states. There’s nothing to be gained by the US keeping Palestine out of the UN now. The end-game was to prevent it from being recognized as a state capable of accepting the jurisdiction of the ICC.

        In the Kosovo case, the United States expressed doubt that contents of Security Council resolutions can legally bind non-state or non-member entities. But UN member states have to agree to accept the decisions of the Security Council. So it’s actually in the interest of the Permanent members to enlist non-member states.

  27. BradAllen
    November 29, 2012, 6:19 pm

    Ok so we know why the U.S. votes for Israel, what makes me sick is how Canada has declined to the puppet state level like panama, Micronesia, Palau, Marshall Islands , . This is the Harper legacy making Canada no better than a puppet and irrelevant country. Makes me sick.

  28. Shingo
    November 29, 2012, 6:57 pm

    I’d like to extend a warm F&%K YOU to Susan Rice.

    I never thought I”d say this, but I hope the Republicans succeed in sinking her nomination to Secretary of State.

  29. Les
    November 29, 2012, 7:48 pm

    Great comment on Washington Post:

    “To all Zionists. Dale Carnegie’s book ‘How to Win Friends and Influence People’ is still available. Check it out.”

  30. Patrick
    November 29, 2012, 7:54 pm

    Does anyone have the full list of votes, including those countries that voted in favor, and those that abstained? I’ve been scouring the internet but haven’t been able to come up with this yet. – Patrick

    • AlGhorear
      November 30, 2012, 8:42 pm

      Patrick, if you haven’t found it yet, I posted a link up thread.

  31. crone
    November 29, 2012, 8:00 pm

    I wonder how Canadians are feeling now (not the gov’t)?

    Like us I guess ~

    • Walid
      November 30, 2012, 4:51 pm

      “I wonder how Canadians are feeling now (not the gov’t)? ”

      Most Canadians are delighted with the vote.

  32. American
    November 29, 2012, 8:09 pm

    The I Firster senators and congress people are all over the cable news screaming, threatening, howling about Palestine going to the ICC against Israel. They are shutting down the Palestine representative’s office in DC–saying we gave Palestine 600 million last year, and are not going to give them that aid any longer –which is funny as hell since Qatar has promised Palestine 400 million from themselves alone and I imagine others will pony up some money also.
    What is also hysterical is Graham is saying..’we’re broke (referring to the US) and people will glad to not to see their money going to Palestine (no mention of the 5 BILLION we’ve given Israel this year.
    It truly is unbelievable the story they are telling of how terrorist Palestine is going to take poor little Israel to the ICC FOR DEFENDING ITSELF….not a word about the land stolen by Israel , the assassinations, the killings, Cast Lead, all the other attacks.

    I am almost speechless, this is the most BLATANT outright lying I have seen to date by the Israeli congressional agents…these I Firsters need to be excuted for war crimes and/or treason to the US themselves.

  33. dbroncos
    November 29, 2012, 8:31 pm

    “Why do they hate us?” This vote tally is yet another clear demonsration of ‘why’.

  34. Denis
    November 29, 2012, 8:35 pm

    Israel, US, Canada – utterly humiliated – now stand together as the Axis of Apartheid. I kept waiting for Israel’s Prosser to pull out an Acme Bomb diagram while he was moaning on about how Israel’s hand has always been extended in peace – I guess that green-stone background triggered the association that this thing is blowing up in their face.

    The most infuriating talking point the well-choreographed AoA came up with is the assertion that before the Palestinians could seek admission to the UN they had an obligation to get Israel’s permission. Boy, does that ever jerk my chain. Rice backed this up with her demented argument (after the vote) that there is something wrong or dishonest with a country seeking admission to the UN unilaterally, without their enemy’s blessing.

    Let’s see, history is not my strong suit, but did the Jews negotiate with the Palestinians or ask their permission before seeking admission to the UN in 1948? Don’t think so. Did the US seek the permission of Britain before declaring its independence as a sovereign state, 1776? Don’t think so. Has any country ever asked permission from or been required to negotiate with another country to gain admission to the UN? I mean, did the two great scourges of the modern era, Japan or Germany, have to get permission to join the UN after precipitating a war that killed 30 million?

    So, what’s with the Palestinian-rule here? What’s with Obama, Rice, and Clinton going off on these people and being so freaking far on the wrong side of this issue? This is not a political issue, this is not AIPAC. It’s too late for that.

    And then there’s Prosser’s snake-oil pitch that Israel is always open to negotiations without preconditions, as long as the Palestinians recognize the Jewish state.

    Broadcasting Abbas’ speech on the separation wall. Ha. Boy, do I love that. Wish I’d been there. Probably more Israeli spies jumping up and down with hidden videos than Palestinians.

    • Denis
      November 29, 2012, 9:56 pm

      Let me add, for what it’s worth, that the Times of Israel online has done a remarkable job today in streaming the UN session live and providing a commentary, especially helpful for the speeches in Arabic. They have seemed to me to be quite fair in their reporting. So kudos there.

      I gave up on Harretz when they put up the pay-wall and flooded the page with pop-ups, drop-downs, and screaming ads to learn Hebrew.

  35. ToivoS
    November 29, 2012, 8:58 pm

    Are you saying that Palau, Marshall Islands, Nauru, and Micronesia. have “strong arms trade business with Israel”.

    What do they sell: clubs consisting with heads made of coconut shells?

  36. W.Jones
    November 29, 2012, 9:44 pm

    The Norwegian delegate said they “are committed to impovering[sic: empowering] Palestinian institutions”.

    It was also funny that alot of those voting for or against said they were doing so for the sake of the 2 state solution.

    Russian delegation says they got assurances from the PNA that after recognition they would restart peace negotiations as fast as could be done. Well, maybe that means as fast as the settlement stopping precondition is met? Or is negotiations now the “trade-off” for Britain’s support?

  37. Patrick
    November 29, 2012, 11:16 pm

    OK, I found on the Wikipedia page linked below a map showing how different countries voted today at the UN:

    link to en.wikipedia.org

    • American
      November 30, 2012, 10:37 am

      Well that map certainly shows where world opinon is doesn’t it?
      As I said long ago, the US Israel entanglement will result in ‘Isr’merica pitted against The World’…and that’s about where we’re at now.

    • Chu
      November 30, 2012, 11:26 am

      That graphic seems to scream that majority rules. Even if the US has all the firepower, has any war has been successful in the past decade alone?

      It’s going to take some time for the US to see that they look like
      fools when the staggering vote at the UN yesterday made their ‘NO’ vote look like a
      simple nation supporting a post-colonial apartheid aggressor state. AIPAC and friends are going to bankrupt themselves (as Walt predicted) trying to counter the growing doubt of Americans.
      It’s over, they dont realize it yet.

    • Hostage
      November 30, 2012, 12:47 pm

      Does anyone have the full list of votes, including those countries that voted in favor, and those that abstained? I’ve been scouring the internet but haven’t been able to come up with this yet. – Patrick

      UNISPAL is your friend:

      Vote on Status of Palestine at United Nations

      The draft resolution on the Status of Palestine at the United Nations (document A/67/L.28) was adopted by a recorded vote of 138 in favour to 9 against, with 41 abstentions, as follows:

      In favour: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei Darussalam, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Comoros, Congo, Costa Rica, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Cyprus, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Honduras, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lao People’s Democratic Republic, Lebanon, Lesotho, Libya, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nepal, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Peru, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Timor-Leste, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

      Against: Canada, Czech Republic, Israel, Marshall Islands, Micronesia (Federated States of), Nauru, Palau, Panama, United States.

      Abstain: Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, United Kingdom, Vanuatu.

      Absent: Equatorial Guinea, Kiribati, Liberia, Madagascar, Ukraine.

      • seanmcbride
        November 30, 2012, 1:31 pm

        Some European nations which voted in favor of the resolution:

        1. Austria
        2. Belgium
        3. Denmark
        4. Finland
        5. France
        6. Greece
        7. Iceland
        8. Ireland
        9. Italy
        10. Liechtenstein
        11. Luxembourg
        12. Norway
        13. Spain
        14. Sweden
        15. Switzerland

        We are rapidly approaching the end game here. Israel has lost European opinion. America’s relations with Europe are more important than its relations with Israel.

        Three key European abstentions: Germany, Netherlands and the United Kingdom. The historical tide has turned.

        • seanmcbride
          November 30, 2012, 1:52 pm

          Most Diaspora Jews down the road will probably decide that maintaining good relations with their respective nations is more important than maintaining good relations with Israel. But what do I know.

        • American
          November 30, 2012, 2:45 pm

          There is something else interesting about some of the major European countries that voted for Palestine. ..they were Nazi occupied countries during WWII. ….maybe they understand the meaning of ‘occupation’.

          Austria
          Belgium
          Denmark
          France
          Greece
          Italy
          Lithuania
          Luxembourg
          Norway

        • American
          November 30, 2012, 2:51 pm

          “America’s relations with Europe are more important than its relations with Israel.”….sean

          LOL…don’t count on it, we are insane now you know.
          Don’t you remember the zios and idiot Rumsfield constantly harping on ditching ‘old Europe” as useless and forming ‘new alliences’….(like Israel naturally and their third world buddies they sell our cast off weapons to).

        • J. Otto Pohl
          December 1, 2012, 9:54 am

          No, the Czechs were also occupied by the Nazis and they voted no. In fact almost all of continental Europe was occupied by the Nazis so it really is not a determining factor.

        • Mooser
          December 2, 2012, 12:40 pm

          “Most Diaspora Jews down the road will probably decide that maintaining good relations with their respective nations is more important than maintaining good relations with Israel”

          As long as Israel exists there is a danger that Zionists will convince some country that the Jews who live in that country belong to Zionism and Israel. No Jew is safe until Zionism is gone.

  38. Nevada Ned
    November 29, 2012, 11:35 pm

    But besides the US and Israel, the only other countries of any significance voting against were Canada and the Czech Republic. I wouldn’t count Nauru and Palau or the Marshall Island – they aren’t really independent because they are so heavily dependent on the US.

    Panama? Remember that George H. W. Bush, the US invaded Panama and installed a pro-US regime. (Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega had disobeyed the Empire and was replaced).

    Although a lot of effort in the US MSM went into trying to disguise it, this vote was an enormous diplomatic defeat for the US and Israel. The US and Israel had little leverage over Europe or Japan, that’s the good news.

  39. RAINY TRUTH
    November 30, 2012, 12:56 am

    Very sinister that address by the US ambassador ! Trying to tell the world that it has been working for a peaceful two state solution !!! It was like poisonous gas filling the room when she spoke !

  40. Avi_G.
    November 30, 2012, 1:17 am

    The U.S. should stop aid to the Palestinian Authority. The aid, which totals about $200 million per year, compared with the $3 billion Israel gets, goes mostly to pay for the Palestinian police force and its equipment.

    So if Congress finally stops sending this already pitiful aid to the Palestinians, the average Palestinian might finally be free of the totalitarian Israeli subcontractor known as the Palestinian Authority.

    By the way, US ambassador to the UN today carried AIPAC’s water when she denounced the Palestinian bid and lectured with great condescension saying that the Palestinian people will wake up tomorrow and realize that this bid will produce no results for them.

    It’s clear that countries that voted against are the countries in which the Israel Lobby is most powerful.

    Besides small and marginal states like Palau and the Marshall Islands, the Czech Republic, for example, voted against because it has a strong arms trade business with Israel.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 30, 2012, 10:23 am

      I agree. The Palestinians should call America’s bluff. The ‘aid’ which the US gives to the PA mostly goes to fund ‘security’ – security for Israel that is, not Palestine. It’s not in Israel’s interests for that system – which is highly beneficial to them – to be damaged. Perhaps the PA are finally understanding that they do have some leverage. But I’m not holding my breath. I still dont’ trust Abbas or anyone else at Fatah. Lets see how he builds on this triumph. Until then, I’ll continue to reserve judgement.

    • Chu
      November 30, 2012, 10:58 am

      And Barack Obama wants Susan Rice as a potential candidate for the Secretary of State. I dont think it’s gonna happen.
      In her in previous Al-Jazeera interviews on Israel Palestine and she seems to have a special ability to regurgitate talking points of AIPAC. It’s undignified the way she panders.

      This embarrassing piece interview where she slobbers all over the mic:

      also: Good career move by Susan Rice
      link to mondoweiss.net

  41. douglasreed
    November 30, 2012, 5:03 am

    America’s catastrophic errors of judgment

    Yesterday’s vote in the UN General Assembly clearly showed how the United States, supported by Canada and the Czech Republic, plus a few island dependencies, has placed itself squarely and mistakenly on the wrong side of history.

    The rest of the entire world, virtually the whole international community, has voted to recognize the Arab indigenous people of Palestine as a national entity and has properly accorded them a permanent status within the UN.

    Ignoring the extraordinarily naive threats by both the America and Canadian governments, and of course Israel, to withdraw aid and to make life for the 5 million Palestinians even more difficult, the world has given a categorical endorsement to the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank with East Jerusalem as its capital.

    The current political leaders of North America ignore this decision at their peril. Europe, China, Russia, Asia, Africa and South America have spoken. History is already recording that America is yesterday’s superpower and that its concluding years were mired in catastrophic errors of political and military misjudgment.

  42. Emma
    November 30, 2012, 6:27 am

    Rice — “Nor does passing any resolution create a state where none indeed exists or change the reality on the ground.”

    Ha ha ha ha.

  43. NickJOCW
    November 30, 2012, 9:21 am

    The populations of the 9 nations whose UN ambassadors opposed the Palestinian upgrade amount to a total of 5.23% of the human race.

  44. Citizen
    November 30, 2012, 9:45 am

    Fox Business News, right now:
    “Are we going to be paying for Palestine?”
    “Obama administration will make us pay for more Palestinians aid, (due to its new status).”
    Nothing about Congressional move to cut aid to Palestinians and to cut aid to all states and agencies that voted Yes for new Palestinian observer status. Nothing about Obama regime voting against such status.

    Is there anything not sleazy about Fox News and Fox Business News channels? They must really think Dick and Jane are dumb as rocks. Mmmmm, maybe they know something? Whether its about Israel or Investing.

  45. American
    November 30, 2012, 10:29 am

    Vatican chimes in….this could get interesting. Perhaps the next bite out of Israel will be a member move at the UN to once and for all (re)- establish the status of Jerusalem.

    link to huffingtonpost.com

    Vatican Hails UN Palestinian State Vote, Calls For Special Status For Jerusalem

    (Reuters) – The Vatican hailed the United Nations’ implicit recognition of a Palestinian state on Thursday and called for an internationally guaranteed special status for Jerusalem, something bound to irritate Israel.

    The 193-nation U.N. General Assembly overwhelmingly approved a resolution to upgrade the Palestinian Authority’s observer status at the United Nations from “entity” to “non-member state,” the same status as the Vatican.

    “The Holy See welcomes with favor the decision of the General Assembly by which Palestine has become a Non-member Observer State of the United Nations,” a statement said.

    But it also said it was a “propitious occasion” to recall a “common position” on Jerusalem expressed by the Vatican and the Palestine Liberation Organisation when the two sides signed a basic agreement on their bilateral relations in 2000.

    Thursday’s statement called for “an internationally guaranteed special statute” for Jerusalem, aimed at “safeguarding the freedom of religion and of conscience, the identity and sacred character of Jerusalem as a Holy City, (and) respect for, and freedom of, access to its holy places.”

    The Vatican’s re-stating of its position on Jerusalem, which has remained mostly dormant for years, was bound to irk Israel, which says there is no need for an international status for Jerusalem because those guarantees already exist.

    Israel declared Jerusalem its “united and eternal” capital in 1980 after annexing East Jerusalem in the Six Day War in 1967. World powers have not recognized the annexation.”

  46. Elliot
    November 30, 2012, 10:37 am

    Israel retaliates against Obama’s non-effort to block Palestinian statehood with a building surge on the West Bank.

    The picture of Netanyahu that accompanies the Haaretz lead story on this is not flattering: Mr. Netanyahu, the master of Toad Hall.

  47. talknic
    November 30, 2012, 11:30 am

    Abbas speech
    link to webtv.un.org
    Intro applause 00:16 – 01:16 = 60 seconds (very loud)

    Prosor speech
    link to webtv.un.org
    Intro applause 00:21 – 00:28 = 7 seconds (tepid)

    — then

    “Israel plans to build some 3,000 new housing units in East Jerusalem and West Bank settlements in response to the Palestinians’ successful bid for recognition at the UN General Assembly this week”

    link to haaretz.com

  48. Mayhem
    December 1, 2012, 8:36 pm

    Will the 138 nations who voted for this resolution put their money where there mouth is?
    NO! they will keep on expecting the US to cough up the billions of dollars to keep a corrupt, incompetent and wasteful Palestinian Authority in place. The sheer hypocrisy of this farce is beyond belief.

    • Shingo
      December 2, 2012, 5:38 am

      Will the 138 nations who voted for this resolution put their money where there mouth is?

      Why not? That’s why they pay their dues to the UN every year. Anyway, Qatar have just given Hamas a wad of cash and there is no reason the Saudi’s won’t step in. It’s a matter of whether the US will threaten them to abstain – just like they have in the past.

      NO! they will keep on expecting the US to cough up the billions of dollars to keep a corrupt, incompetent and wasteful Palestinian Authority in place.

      LOL. The reason so many of them voted fearlessly for this is because they can detect the smell of decay of a bankrupt US Congress and know that the US has had it’s best days. This is the new order putz. Get used to it.

    • Shmuel
      December 2, 2012, 5:42 am

      The European Union – European Commission and EU Member States – is the biggest multilateral donor of financial assistance to the Palestinians.
      Community support for the Palestinian Authority’s 2007 – 2010 Palestinian Reform and Development Plan is channelled through the PEGASE mechanism. The European Union is the largest multilateral donor to Palestine refugees through UNRWA.

      link to eeas.europa.eu

    • Hostage
      December 2, 2012, 1:51 pm

      Will the 138 nations who voted for this resolution put their money where there mouth is?

      A better question is whether or not their Courts will respect or enforce the judgments of the Courts of the State or Palestine against Israelis? I’m betting that more than a few will do that after this vote. Note that Foreign Minister Lieberman made a big deal out of the fact that Israel only had jurisdictional agreements with the PLO, not with Palestine.

  49. radkelt
    December 2, 2012, 12:14 am

    Rice?
    not TWICE!
    hoping for a little more?
    perhaps Al Gore

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