Now it’s ‘Palestinians Only’ buses (60 years after Montgomery)

Shocking story, from Ynet: “Ministry Launches ‘Palestinians Only’ Buses.” In the occupied territories, so that Jews don’t have to ride on buses jammed with Palestinians. I believe this is worse than conditions in Montgomery that Rosa Parks felt intolerable in the 1950s. When will this make the New York Times? Or J Street’s blog?

The Transportation Ministry announced that starting Sunday it will begin operating designated lines for Palestinians in the West Bank.

The bus lines in question are meant, according to the ministry, to transport Palestinian workers from the West Bank to central Israel. The ministry alleges that the move is meant to ease the congestion felt on bus lines used by Jews in the same areas, but several bus drivers told Ynet that Palestinians who will choose to travel on the so-called “mixed” lines, will be asked to leave them..

 The Transportation Ministry defended the plan, saying it was the result of reports and complaints saying that the buses traveling in the area were overcrowded and rife with tensions between the Jewish and Arab passengers.

A ministry source said that many complaints expressed concern that the Palestinian passengers may pose a security risk, while other complaints said that the overcrowded buses cause the drivers to skip stations.

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  1. palijustice says:

    Well, this is just another part of a growing apartheid stucture. Apartheid is a cruel institution. With our own history of segregation on busses in the US South and other Jim Crow laws, this may resonate with Americans when and if the mainstream media start reporting on it.

    • ritzl says:

      I assume you mean well, but “pali” is not a good part of a username here or on this issue. It’s very often a slur, actually (not always, but very often). Maybe you can get with the mods to change it? :) Just a thought.

  2. a blah chick says:

    “The Transportation Ministry defended the plan, saying it was the result of reports and complaints saying that the buses traveling in the area were overcrowded and rife with tensions between the Jewish and Arab passengers.”

    I’m pretty sure they were not acting on complaints from the Arab passengers.

  3. just says:

    All done with our not-so-tacit consent/approval.

    I am so sick of this– apartheid/bigotry toward/demonization of the Palestinians.

    Thanks for keeping us informed, Phil.

  4. doug says:

    How can you possibly compare Palestinian only busses to the harsh and cruel situation under Jim Crow? Palestinians get the full use of an entire bus and aren’t crowded into the rear having to walk the gauntlet just to get in and out like blacks in the South.

    /sarcasm

    • Doug, apartheid, the imposition of segregation laws by the dominant ethnic group over the subordinate/subaltern ethnic group we has manifested itself in different forms since Jim Crow and South Africa. The point here is that Israel is running a segregated bus system to appease their Jewish local population under the guise that it is to decongest the travel from the West Bank for Palestinians, which is a joke in itself as settlers from the US and Russia are overtaking Palestian land designated by UN resolution 242, to central Israel.
      As a person who has spent the last three years for 2 months to four months in GazaI and teach at the universities and go as I please as I am not affiliated with the
      UN or an international ngo, on my return to the US I have spent considerable time also in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
      Just to inform you on the multifaceted practices of Apartheid Israel Israeli Arabs, i.e. citizens of Israel, to get off the bus while traveling from Bethlehem to Jerusalem to show their proof of citizenship and then reboard onto the bus after 15 minutes. Meanwhile, internationals like myself, are able to stay on the bus and present our passports. If you don’t call this apartheid I don’t know what apartheid and discrimination looks like. I have witnessed all these events first hand including when Israel rejected me to enter Gaza based on that I had an Arab name (I am of Lebanese ancestry on my Paternal side) and had to hire an Israeli attorney to straighten it out that I was an American citizen doing humanitarian work in the form of research and teaching at the university in Gaza. The Egyptian government , the former and current, being no less complicit with Israel in their denial of internationals to Gaza. Please see my op-ed in Al Jazeera 2011.
      link to english.aljazeera.net

      BTW the woman and her cousin that I befriended on the bus from Bethlehem to Jerusalem was an Israeli Arab citizen and a Christian who had relatives living in the US. Propagandists for Israel intimate if not publically announce their preference for Arab Christians over Arab Muslims. Truth be told they treat both miserably throwing a few crumbs to the Christians to win endorsement for i their Apartheid system.

      Diane Shammas, PhD
      International and Intercultural Education
      Urban Higher Education
      Lecturer, Diversity Education
      and American Ethnic Studies

      • hophmi says:

        “Just to inform you on the multifaceted practices of Apartheid Israel Israeli Arabs, i.e. citizens of Israel, to get off the bus while traveling from Bethlehem to Jerusalem to show their proof of citizenship and then reboard onto the bus after 15 minutes. Meanwhile, internationals like myself, are able to stay on the bus and present our passports. If you don’t call this apartheid I don’t know what apartheid and discrimination looks like.”

        It looks like what would happen if the Palestinians subjected the Israelis to a bus bombing campaign.

        • I am sorry I don’t understand your line of reasoning. If you are alluding to suicide bombers or those who bomb Israeli buses these are a few individuals not all Palestinian civilians. You are mixing apples with oranges, Israeli state policy that presumes to represent all Israeli people, although fortunately it does not, and a a minority of militants who despairingly feel under occupation the only tactical strategy open to them is violent resistance.

        • Ellen says:

          Hoppy, that is exactly what they used to say as I was a kid about Ni&&&&ers riding on the bus with me!

          What would happen if they ride with me????

          The horror if it all!

        • Cliff says:

          When was the last suicide bombing hoppy?

          Should we in America segregate Blacks from the rest of the population since crime is disproportionate to their population?

          Zionists already segregated themselves from the indigenous Palestinians back in the Mandate era. Israeli Arabs lived under martial law until 1960.

          So it’s not as though Israeli racism and bigotry came about as a result of the suicide bombings.

          Suicide bombings began 27 years into the Occupation and colonization of Palestinian land.

          It doesn’t matter. Israel was always going to wall up the settlements and use the security pretext as a reason to annex more Palestinian land.

          Thinking otherwise makes you a Zionist.

        • Hostage says:

          I am sorry I don’t understand your line of reasoning.

          Neither does Hophmi most of time. The International Court of Justice advised that Israel couldn’t cite a state of necessity or its own security to preclude the wrongfulness of its actions in the Occupied Palestinian territories, since it had created or contributed to the state of necessity there.

          Israel patented the legal principle that a State may exercise universal jurisdiction over crimes committed elsewhere, including crimes which occurred before it came into existence. At one and the same time, Israel denies that same right to others, while refusing to defend its own actions in western Courts (which afford all the judicial guarantees recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples). Given those circumstances, it’s hard to argue with those who say they have no other choice, except talking the law into their own hands.

  5. hammersmith says:

    In the U.S., no, not just the South, Americans would tell themselves and anyone else who would listen, that Negroes actually liked having their own areas to themselves, as a way of justifying de jure and de facto segregation. How long will it be until the Nathan Yahoo (!) et al., come up with this too?

    • ritzl says:

      Yet another example of how Israel’s version of separation is far more extreme than the South African or the US version.

      I know there was a discussion of Hafrada here a year or so ago, and collectively nixed it as a term, but how else do you discuss this? As “really, really bad” Apartheid? Or euphemistically saying “Jim Crow on steroids?”

      I really don’t want to deflect any discussion about how bad this is, but what Israel is doing is meticulously and despicably unique in the sense of “western democracy” in the 21. C, and deserves its own name.

      I realize the resistance to having a Hebrew word appended, in perpetuity, to that negative historical group, but it is what it is.

      Last time bringing this up, promise, but I don’t know how Israeli, complete separation can be expressively couched in terms of other bad acts of “merely” partial separation. The Israeli version is qualitatively different.

    • Americans would tell themselves and anyone else who would listen, that Negroes actually liked having their own areas to themselves, as a way of justifying de jure and de facto segregation. How long will it be until the Nathan Yahoo (!) et al., come up with this too?

      well it didn’t take long to wait to find out hammersmith, hops said this morning palestinians would be ‘happy’ about it.

  6. W.Jones says:

    “Or J Street’s blog?”
    One can’t even leave a comment on J Street’s blog. :(

  7. sardelapasti says:

    The Zionist explanation would be: “Be happy these are not the Jews-only railway carriages. Yet. They are ready, but we implore you not to force us to do it.”

  8. Phan Nguyen says:

    Here are the stated rationales for the additional buses, as quoted in the Ynet article:

    The bus lines in question are meant, according to the ministry, to transport Palestinian workers from the West Bank to central Israel. The ministry alleges that the move is meant to ease the congestion felt on bus lines used by Jews in the same areas…

    [Bus company] Afikim issued a statement saying that, “This plan aims to ease travel for Palestinian passengers and offer a solution that counters pirate bus companies that charge exorbitant prices. As for any question about removing Palestinian passengers from buses – that has to be addressed by the enforcement and security bodies.”

    The Transportation Ministry issued the following statement: “The new lines are not separate lines for Palestinians but rather two designated lines meant to improve the services offered to Palestinian workers who enter Israel through Eyal Crossing…The new lines will reduce congestion and will benefit Israelis and Palestinians alike.”

    That’s what they say now, but last August, this was reported:

    [Afikim CEO Ben-Hur] Akhvat also mentions that the company regularly receives complaints from Jewish passengers who don’t wish to see Palestinians on the bus. “We are in ongoing negotiations with authorities regarding a possible alternative solution to the problem,” he says.

    And last November:

    All the same, Ron Nachman, the mayor of the West Bank settlement of Ariel, has announced on his Facebook page that he has spoken with the army, police and Transportation Ministry about “stopping Palestinians from boarding the buses that go to Ariel.”

    “All of them are working on this problem, and we hope that they will soon find a solution to the reality that is bothering our people,” he wrote.

    So it’s interesting that when planning becomes reality, the rationale suddenly changes.

    • amigo says:

      Well at least Haaretz got it right.

      ” Israel introduces ‘Palestinian only’ bus lines, following complaints from Jewish settlers
      Afikim bus company to have special buses for Palestinian workers commuting from the West Bank to jobs in central Israel; announcement follows complaints from settlers that Palestinians are a security risk.

      link to haaretz.com

      • MK_Ultra says:

        Gee, it just seems like perpetuating occupation is a lot of work and money. It would just be so much easier and cheaper (particularly for the American taxpaying suckers) to just end it and behave like normal human beings instead of insisting in continuing to be the icon for self-inflicted perpetual victimhood.

    • MK_Ultra says:

      Reading your post, I have flashbacks like this:

      From derSpiegel, March 2, 1938:

      All the same, Karl Nachmann, the mayor of Dahlem, a suburb of Berlin, has announced on his speech to the residents that he has spoken with the SS, Gestapo and the Fuhrer’s Transportation Ministry about “stopping Jews from boarding the buses that go to Dahlem.”

      “All of them are working on this problem, and we hope that they will soon find a solution to the reality that is bothering our people,” Herr Nachmann said.”

      • hophmi says:

        Because there was a long history of Jews suicide bombing Germans, right?

        Are there lots of Jews in the Palestinian territories? Perhaps Israel should provide no bus service at all. Would that be better?

        • absolutely, for no one. especially settlers. palestine should be controlling all the buslines in their territory.

        • eljay says:

          >> Are there lots of Jews in the Palestinian territories? Perhaps Israel should provide no bus service at all. Would that be better?

          hophmeee’s petulance is amusing. :-) But, yes, if the end of Israeli bus service were to be accompanied by an end to the Israeli occupation and colonization of Palestine, and the withdrawal of Israel back to within its / Partition borders, that would be much better.

        • kma says:

          hophmi: funny thing, there’s a much longer history of Jews bombing Palestinians, and yes, it would be better if the US provided no financial services at all!

          (am I allowed to say this on this website?)

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “hophmeee’s petulance is amusing. :-)”

          Oh, hoppy isn’t being petulant. Hoppy is an anti-Arab bigot and judeo-supremacist, so he will take whatever position which supports israel in general israeli- and zionist-Jews in particular, regardless of the issue.

        • Ellen says:

          Because there was a long history of Jews suicide bombing Germans, right?

          No but Ze’ev Jabotinsky did declare Zionist war against Germany. So that did, of course, help fuel the insanity of Judeophobia…..which in turn only supported the Zionist agenda.

          And in turn stopping Jews from going to the Dahlemm section of Berlin was a good thing for Zionism.

        • hophmi says:

          “No but Ze’ev Jabotinsky did declare Zionist war against Germany. So that did, of course, help fuel the insanity of Judeophobia…..which in turn only supported the Zionist agenda.”

          Are you seriously comparing a “declaration of war” on Nazi Germany by an individual representing a tiny constituency living in the Middle East to a campaign of terrorism by the leadership of a neighboring population?

          Seriously? I mean, as a pro-Palestinian activist, do you really think these two things are equivalent?

        • hophmi says:

          I have no objection to Palestinians controlling their own buslines, but these are, after all, buses that cross borders. So no matter what you do, it’s either a Palestinian bus in Israeli territory or an Israeli bus in Palestinian territory.

          You can count me as one who thinks the bus policy is morally wrong and stupid. But you can also count me among those who believe that Palestinians themselves probably will be happy not to have settlers on their buses, and also, that in the future Palestinian state, most Palestinian bus lines will be all Palestinian anyway.

        • You can count me as one who thinks the bus policy is morally wrong and stupid…..count me among those who believe that Palestinians themselves probably will be happy not to have settlers on their buses

          oh right, and when settlers attack ‘palestinian’ buses like they do their homes and mosques you’ll be saying that’s morally wrong no doubt. palestinians do not need you to be guessing what they ‘probably will be happy with’ after all, they already have israel’s transportation ministry acting in their best interest! how unusual for you to be mimicking the government rationale for apartheid hops/not. but you think it’s morally wrong, stupid and will make palestinians ‘happy’.

          instead of churning out so many comments how about just proof reading what you write once in awhile and listen to yourself.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “But you can also count me among those who believe that Palestinians themselves probably will be happy not to have settlers on their buses”

          Yeah, and no doubt in Alabama in 1955, you’d be talking about how the black folks probably liked the fact that they didn’t have to share their washrooms with whites. Save it.

        • Cliff says:

          Hoppy says Palestinians will have Palestinian-mostly bus lines.

          So what? China will have Chinese mostly bus lines.

          Does that make then antisemitic hoppy? There’s 1 Jewish State and a billion Chinese people in a huge Chinese State.

          Why cant those antisemitic Chinese make 1 Jewish-mostly bus line, huh?

        • Cliff says:

          There are a lot of Jewish colonists in the Palestinian territories. Israel should, ‘perhaps’, remove the colonists instead of normalizing their presence with Jewish-only bus lines.

          And there was Jewish resistance to Nazism. There was all kinds of resistance.

          If Jews had suicide bombed the Nazis – NO ONE, especially Zionist Jews like you, would care.

          The difference between anti-Zionism @MW and Zionism in general, is that we do not accept suicide bombing but you accept aerial bombing civilian structures and torture for non-existent ticking-time-bomb scenarios.

          All your schtick is typical ethno-nationalist cult thinking.

        • Bumblebye says:

          Hoppy sez “these are, after all, buses that cross borders.”
          But these so called “borders” only exist if one is traveling while Palestinian.

        • hophmi says:

          “oh right, and when settlers attack ‘palestinian’ buses like they do their homes and mosques you’ll be saying that’s morally wrong no doubt.”

          I do. As I hope you do when Palestinians throw stones at or shoot at settlers driving on the highway or blow up civilians.

          “how unusual for you to be mimicking the government rationale for apartheid hops/not. but you think it’s morally wrong, stupid and will make palestinians ‘happy’.”

          Well, again. The comparison was made to the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement, MLK’s version of it, anyway, was about integration. So was the movement against SA apartheid. The Palestinian state movement is not about integration. It’s about two states for two peoples. And I hesitate to say it, but even this policy does not separate Palestinians and Israelis. It is not formalized at all, and there seems to be some disagreement on what exactly the policy constitutes. Your version may be about a forced integration of West Bank Palestinians into a future non-Israel, but it is the minority view, not shared by Israelis, Palestinians, or the international community. It is the BDS movement’s view.

          In Green Line Israel, of course, there are no restrictions on Palestinians and Israeli riding the same buses and no segregation on those buses.

        • hophmi says:

          “Yeah, and no doubt in Alabama in 1955, you’d be talking about how the black folks probably liked the fact that they didn’t have to share their washrooms with whites. Save it.”

          You save it. That is not remotely what I said.

        • seafoid says:

          If Jews killed Germans then anything would have been acceptable, eh Hoph? I mean The Germans had their security to think about, didn’t they and all those Bolsheviks would have been like say Iranians with a global plot and you can’t trust anyone and the Germans could have had all the security arguments ready and you as a German would have bought the whole story, wouldn’t you?

        • Hostage says:

          If Jews killed Germans then anything would have been acceptable, eh Hoph?

          Of course, the Jewish terror groups assassinated all comers. A Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan, assassinated German Ambassador Ernst vom Rath. Afterward the Germans responded in the tradition of Purim and we call their reprisal Kristallnacht.

        • Cliff says:

          Hoppy,

          When was the last suicide bombing?

          When did MW justify suicide bombing?

          And when did Hoppy justify the apartheid Wall which annexes Palestinian land under the pretense of ‘security’?

          Oh yea, always.

        • Cliff says:

          Yes Hoppy, integration.

          So support the Palestinian RoR and the 1SS.

        • MK_Ultra says:

          Just a tad dim witted there, eh? Is that on purpose or for real?

        • “when Palestinians throw stones at or shoot at settlers driving on the highway or blow up civilians. ”

          do you say ‘throwing rocks’ because you know 6 palestinian youths have been murdered by israeli soldiers in as many weeks, some for doing nothing and the worst crime being ‘throwing rocks’? is this your ‘moral equivalence’ kicking in hops?

          those deaths are easier to rationalize when palestinians shoot settlers and blow up civilians aren’t they? but when they don’t, israel will murder palestinians anyway, for nothing so much as throwing stones. they don’t do gandhi. they shot a 22 year old man in the head with a steel bullet, his funeral was yesterday.

          and you would like me to say what he was doing was morally wrong? protesting israel imprisoning palestinians, held without charge? you know the military attacks the protestors don’t you. tear gasses them. what level of resistance are they allowed hops. even their funeral processions get attacked. and you talk to me about thinking rock throwing is morally wrong.

          i think i’m over these exchanes with you. always sliding in your talking points. rock throwing. rock throwing. rock throwing. against goliath, no wonder you’re afraid.

        • Hostage says:

          those deaths are easier to rationalize when palestinians shoot settlers and blow up civilians aren’t they? but when they don’t, israel will murder palestinians anyway, for nothing so much as throwing stones.

          Here’s the legal definition and criteria:

          For the purpose of the present Convention, the term “the crime of apartheid”, which shall include similar policies and practices of racial segregation and discrimination as practised in southern Africa, shall apply to the following inhuman acts committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them:

          (f) Persecution of organizations and persons, by depriving them of fundamental rights and freedoms, because they oppose apartheid.

          link to www1.umn.edu

          Here’s a specific example cited in the Goldstone Report:

          1388. There was a significant increase in the use of force by Israeli security forces during demonstrations in the West Bank after the start of the Israeli operations in Gaza. The degree of force used against protests during the previous year had already been high, including during protests against the Wall in places such as Jayyous, al-Ma’sara, Bi’lin and Ni’lin.721
          ___
          721 “Repression Allowed, Resistance Denied: Israel’s suppression of the popular movement against the Apartheid Wall of Annexation”, Addameer and Stop the Wall report, July 2009. For a list of the 19 people including 11 children killed in anti-wall demonstrations up until July 2009

          See:
          link to web.archive.org
          link to www2.ohchr.org

        • hostage, i was so incensed after reading that asinine comment of his in the middle of the night i wrote this about israel killing a student protesting who died on thursday: West Bank funeral highlights Israel’s use of live ammunition to provoke violent resistance link to mondoweiss.net

  9. Qualtrough says:

    ‘Doing something’ about the Internet would be at the top of my list if I were a Zionist.

  10. TomAmitaiUSA says:

    I wonder when President Carter will get an apology for the abuse that was heaped on him by the non-existent lobby for his daring to use the “A” word in his book?

    • Kathleen says:

      He will never get an apology for being right Have seen Former President Carter field questions from Zionist at conferences like no one. Never skips a beat when they throw some curve ball attack. Zionist can not stand Carter because his commitment and desire to see peace in the middle east is sincere. He catches the curve ball attacks and then always responds with facts smooth and gives the individual the respect that he deserves but never ever allows them to back him down from the facts on the ground. In my book Carter is a national treasure

      While many of us know that Rachel Maddow is a total sell out on the I/P issue along with repeating the unsubstantiated claims about Iran (not as much as she used to) She did have Carter on once and allowed him to state the facts without turning off his mic
      link to maddowblog.msnbc.com

  11. American says:

    Yep it’s..’separation” , racism again.
    But might not be bad, at least Palestines won’t have to worry about being attacked by Israelis on the bus if no Israelis are on their bus.

  12. kayq says:

    And to think that we’ve come a long way since Jim Crow South… apparently not.

  13. Kathleen says:

    codepink exposing aipac action today

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    Expose Aipac in the media
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    March 2, 2013

    Dear Activist,

    Expose AIPAC is off to a great start! Yesterday we “occupied” AIPAC headquarters with settlements and an apartheid wall very much like the ones in Israel that AIPAC supports. It was a great action, check out the video here! We are delighted to be planning a vibrant opposition to the powerful Israel lobby at a time when Israel continues to colonize more and more Palestinian land, and pushes for an attack on Iran. We’ll be in the streets telling AIPAC that their pro-apartheid, war-mongering agenda doesn’t fly with us!

    Stay updated: check out our pictures throughout the weekend, and watch for Expose AIPAC in the news! We’ll be posting updates on the Occupy AIPAC website, and help us spread the word via social media by following @OccupyAIPAC, @Codepink, and using the hashtag #ExposeAIPAC.

    Here are the weekend highlights:

    Expose AIPAC Grassroots Advocacy Training, hosted by Interfaith Peace Builders
    When: Saturday, March 2nd, 8:30 am
    Where: Mount Vernon Place United Methodist Church (900 Massachusetts Ave)
    Speakers include Rebecca Vilkommerson, Jonathan Kuttab, Josh Reubner, Phyllis Bennis, Philip Farah, Jamal Abdi, Robert Naiman and more!
    Registration for the Grassroots Advocacy Training is a sliding scale of $40 – $125 ($30 for students), payable when you register.

    New Perspectives on Peace with Justice: An Evening with Interfaith Peace-Builders
    When: Saturday, March 2nd, 6:30 pm- 9:00 pm
    Where: The Goethe Institut, 812 7th St NW, Washington, DC 20001
    Requested Donation: $30 – $100; Food and Beverage provided
    Featured Speakers: Reverend Carolyn Boyd – Adjunct Pastor at Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ, former national Co-Chair of Black Voices for Peace; Hanan Idilbi – Board Member of Interfaith Peace-Builders, and member of the US Palestine Community Network.
    Musical Guests: Feras and Ehab – Playing modern oud compositions rooted in the deep cultural traditions of Palestine; Luci Murphy – a D.C.-based vocalist and community activist in the peace and social justice movement, singing songs of freedom.

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    When: Sunday, March 3rd at 11:00 am-all day!
    Where: Outside the AIPAC Conference (corner of Massachusetts and 9th) for dubka, a flashmob, and greeting AIPAC goers as they leave the convention center at the end of the day!

    11am: Our actions will begin. We’ll have awesome visuals (including “settlements” you can wear so we can show AIPAC just how obstructive settlements are) but feel free to bring your own signs! We’ll be rallying, protesting, singing and dabke dancing.

    2pm: Press conference and rally.

  14. It’s in the planning stages, (which is bad, but not as bad as if it would be put into effect, obviously.) I’m betting that “the Palestinians will be told not to ride on the Jewish routes” will not come to fruition in the next two years. Anyone willing to bet me?

    (Definition of “told”, that they won’t be allowed on the buses. They will be encouraged not to get on the buses but they won’t be barred from the buses. Bets must be specific.)

    • Kathleen says:

      Will you be getting on the Israeli only buses?

      The very fact that they have set up separate buses for Palestinians/Israeli’s on stolen Palestinian land moving illegal Israeli settlers etc living on illegal settlements on separate buses is the very definition of apartheid.

    • amigo says:

      “Anyone willing to bet me?”jf

      Given zionist history at keeping their promises, it would take a fool to make a bet with you.

      I am certain you would endeavour to squirm your way out when you lose and you will.

    • a blah chick says:

      “They will be encouraged not to get on the buses but they won’t be barred from the buses…”

      I sure hope someone has their cell phone camera working when this “discouragement” takes place.

    • libra says:

      yonah fredman: It’s in the planning stages, (which is bad, but not as bad as if it would be put into effect, obviously.)

      Somehow Yonah I doubt that you’d sound so complacent if Jewish-only transportation was “in the planning stages” anywhere else in the world.

    • eljay says:

      >> I’m betting that “the Palestinians will be told not to ride on the Jewish routes” will not come to fruition in the next two years. Anyone willing to bet me?
      >> (Definition of “told”, that they won’t be allowed on the buses. They will be encouraged not to get on the buses but they won’t be barred from the buses. Bets must be specific.)

      I’m in. $20 says some form of legislation will be passed within the next two years which will:
      - require Palestinian workers travelling from the West Bank to central Israel to use Palestinian-only buses; and
      - make it unlawful for these Palestinian workers to use the ‘so-called “mixed lines”‘.

      Although the world will be more interesting and rich and vibrant and full if the supremacist “Jewish State” does pass this legislation, I certainly hope they don’t, and I’m prepared to gladly pay y.f. $20 for a more boring world.

      • Sorry for my glibness on this issue.

        Apartheid exists in the West Bank even if it does not exist on the buses. Moving a civilian Israeli population into a military occupation was a sure recipe for apartheid and it exists, whether Egged does not make official rules (my bet) or whether it does. If one neighbor gets to vote in real elections and the other neighbor does not and the only discernible difference is ethnic group, then this is apartheid. If the police (soldiers) are all Jewish, so in a fender bender or in a court appearance the odds are stacked against the Palestinians and for the Jews, then this is apartheid. If Palestinians are seen as a security risk (perfectly reasonable given the situation 10 years ago, which is not that long a period of time) then it may not be motivated by ethnic reasons, but the effect is the same- apartheid.

        I accept Israeli reluctance to grant Palestinian independence in the West Bank. Experience states that such a move would be folly. But the movement of civilians into the West Bank created a situation that is apartheid (or at best only looks like apartheid because of security rather than hatred motivations).

        My motivations are not pro Palestinian. I am pro survival of a state of Israel within the 67 borders, a state that could/would be defined as a state of all its citizens and a state that could/would prefer immigration of Jews rather than immigration of Palestinians.

        That state will cease to exist within the next century as a result of the occupation of the West Bank with its civilian element. It will probably be American policy which will lead to the end of Israel, forcing Israel to grant the vote to the Palestinians living in the West Bank. That policy would be hurried by a Palestinian leadership that gives up on a two state solution and urges its people to vote in Israeli elections, the first step of which would be the encouragement of Palestinians who hold blue i.d. cards in Jerusalem to vote in municipal elections and to apply for citizenship. This step will not be taken by the Palestinian leadership in the next while (from 10 to 25 years is my approximation). But as long as there is a mixed population in the West Bank, the pressure for a one state solution will grow and grow and the word apartheid will be one of the keys for that pressure.

        Egged will not make it official policy and certainly not the Knesset regarding the bus system on the west bank, but that is merely a note in history and not the gist of the story.

        • eljay says:

          Zio-supremacists want/ed it all and, in the end, they may wind up without even a secular, democratic and egalitarian state of Israel – a “culturally Jewish” state of and for all its people, equally.

          Pity.

        • piotr says:

          “I accept Israeli reluctance to grant Palestinian independence in the West Bank. Experience states that such a move would be folly.”

          My answer is that if Israel cannot exist without permanent subjugation of Palestinians or “transfer”, then the very concept of that state is a mistake. Israel should withdraw to the Green Line and rely on mutual deterrence. What works with Hezbollah will work with Palestinians.

          Moreover, as a practical manner, “humane occupation” is possible in abstraction, but Israelis are not capable of that. Once you conceptualize the other people as “enemy”, the temptation to commit pointless acts of spite is ir resistible.

  15. amigo says:

    Here is one comment from Y,Net.

    “The buses are over-crowded and after half the bus fills up with palestinians Jews are unable to get on the bus and have to wait another hour for the next bus. Another problem is the over crowded buses can make you feel ill when the air conditioner does not work which is about 70% of the time.”Leah

    Need I say more.

  16. Kathleen says:

    “A ministry source said that many complaints expressed concern that the Palestinian passengers may pose a security risk,” How insanely absurd. Israeli’s are stealing Palestinians land, set up illegal settlements, create separate buses for Israeli’s and then call the Palestinians a “security risk” So f*ing insane. Have no idea how the Palestinian resist getting violent. Of course we all know better to stay peaceful but come on this would drive Mother Theresa to violence.

    “The bus lines in question are meant, according to the ministry, to transport Palestinian workers from the West Bank to central Israel.”

    Working for the master.

    Smells, acts, looks like apartheid. Because it is apartheid!

  17. Hostage says:

    ‘Doing something’ about the Internet would be at the top of my list if I were a Zionist.

    They already have. Jewish groups which routinely defend war crimes and crimes against humanity online, such as the illegal deportation of Palestinians from East Jerusalem or the other occupied territories, home demolitions, the establishment of illegal Jewish settlements, & etc. are using hate speech laws on campuses here in the US and in the EU to obtain administrative mechanisms that will allow them to equate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism or support for Palestinians with illegal support for Hamas. Once the procedures are in place, they will be able to go straight to internet service providers or the administration of educational institutions to silence their critics, take down web pages, & etc.
    link to bnaibrith.org
    link to jta.org
    link to arstechnica.com
    link to secure2.convio.net

    In the meantime, no one seems to notice that the same laws the Lobby is employing against Twitter and other third parties prohibits hasbara that constitutes hate speech, i.e. speech that publicly condones, denies, or trivializes crimes listed in the Statute of the International Criminal Court or the Charter of the Nuremburg Tribunal carried out in a manner likely to incite violence or hatred against such a group or a member of a group on the basis of nationality, ethnicity, color, or race. See for example the EU Framework Decision on Racism and Xenophobia. link to europa.eu

    In the case of Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, and a host of other countries the Lobby has routinely resorted to hasbara from so-called “Emergency Committees” and “think tanks” with the intent to incite or justify violence and hatred against other peoples on the basis of their nationality.

    AIPAC, Bill Kristol, Ambassador Oren, and Israeli hasbara fellows (planted on our campuses to carry-out propaganda campaigns) have helped incite full scale wars which claimed hundreds of thousands of casualties and created millions of refugees.

  18. Ramzi Jaber says:

    Where is the outrage of all parts of the American political system and media and religious groups and civil rights orgs???

    Imagine what would have happened if some country started “jews only” buses. Obama would take to the airwaves right away. Cruz, Graham, and McCain would call on Obama to bomb that country. Foxman will go nuts. Wiesel will explode on TV. Fox will attack that country with microwave broadcasts. You get the picture.

    So shocking, especially a day after DC celebrates Rosa Parks.

    What would the criminal zionist illegitimate regime do next? Never. Be. Amazed. By. These. Criminal. Zionists.

  19. Meanwhile, back in the ‘Only Democracy’…

    One transport policy for Jewish Israelis, a different policy for non-Jewish Israelis = Israeli apartheid
    link to haaretz.com

  20. watch how now settlers will attack the Palestinian buses.

    • talknic says:

      The though also occurred to me. It’s one way of ensuring there are no illegal settlers on the buses the illegal settlers attack.

  21. tree says:

    And on a similar note, this is from 972.mag.com:

    The settler media outlet Arutz Sheva reported (Hebrew) a highly “irregular” occurrence on Wednesday morning, in which a Palestinian stood next to Jewish Israelis at a hitchhiking stop near the West Bank settlement of Beit El. Avigdor Shatz, the Binyamin Regional Council’s chief security officer in the area, was quoted as saying:

    ‘Palestinians are not supposed to stand next to Jews at the same hitchhiking stop, certainly not in Beit El.’

    Shatz admitted that the law does not actually bar Palestinians from standing at the Givat Asaf hitchhiking stop, named after the illegal outpost nearby. “It is not defined as Israeli territory since it is outside the settlement.” However, he said it was an “irregular” and “strange” incident, and warned Israelis to keep their distance and to call the police and report such incidents. “We will get forces there to examine the suspect. Usually it is nothing.”

    I guess in apartheid Israel, it’s news when a Palestinian dares to stand next to Jews.

    Notice it is the Binyamin Regional Council’s security chief who is promising to send forces to “examine the suspect”. This area is even outside their (illegal) jurisdiction, and yet they’re allowed to operate there to harass a Palestinian who is not violating any Israeli law, by their own admission.

    • marc b. says:

      being palestinian is prima facie evidence of criminality. and zionists don’t acknowledge geographic boundaries. they can go anywhere, and do anything, so long as they have decided it benefits their colonial project.

  22. MK_Ultra says:

    Shocking story? Hardly, when one takes stories like this into consideration, another goodie and a commonplace occurrence in The Middle East’s Only Democracy™:

    Jerusalem light rail may have segregated men-only / women-only cars

    CEO of company developing light rail project supports providing ‘kosher’ cars for city’s ultra-Orthodox population.

    CityPass CEO Yair Naveh said Monday that he supports segregated men only and women only cars on the Jerusalem light rail train, which reporters and officials were invited to ride in a celebratory ceremony on Monday.

    link to haaretz.com

    If they’re willing to treat their own mothers, wives, sisters and daughters this way, what won’t they do to the people they really hate and to dispossess of all land, humanity and life alike?

  23. talknic says:

    An aside:

    Just went to JPost…. comments section: link to jpost.com

    I don’t engage in voting posts up or down. (that’s another part of the war) However my mouse passed over the vote down button…..

    You can vote a comment UP without logging in. You must log in to vote a post down!

    Wonder why?

  24. Cliff says:

    Palestinians only bus lines will make it easier for Jewish colonists to attack Palestinians.

    They will see it as one big target.

    The IDF will do nothing about it, and probably join in.

    And Zionist trolls on the internet will whitewash the inevitable murders of Palestinian civilians.

    Verb. Noun. Antisemitism.

    • mostly, the effects will be like this: link to mondoweiss.net

      endless harassment and inconvenience for palestinians.

      but think of the poor inconvenienced settler in this circumstance. they have to witness this and to some people it’s just…well lets say, out of sight out of mind. so now they can be safe in knowing palestinians are getting harassed without having their own bus stopped and delayed while the policemen comes on and orders the palestinians off. in their perfect word they would never have to set eyes on the them. and this way palestinians can be delayed, no bus one day, whatever. endlessly, and no inconvenience for the settlers.

  25. just says:

    And here I am doing the unthinkable– listening again to Biden kowtow to AIPAC , thereby endorsing apartheid, imho.

    ‘the most dangerous thing is to delegitimize Israel as a Jewish state…..only America and our administration stood up for the legitimacy of the State of Israel.’