Iranian president’s description of occupation as a ‘wound’ echoes Obama’s description of conflict

Israel/Palestine

Iran’s president-elect Hassan Rouhani made comments about Jerusalem the other day at a pro-Palestinian rally in Tehran that were then mistranslated and got global attention. The Guardian:

Iran’s semi-official Isna news agency misreported Rouhani’s quotes, which were then widely disseminated by western news agencies and prompted Israel’s prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to react to remarks that the Iranian president never made.

Isna initially quoted Rouhani as saying: “The Zionist regime has been a wound on the body of the Islamic world for years and the wound should be removed.”

In fact, Rouhani said: “In our region, a sore has been on the body of the Islamic world for many years in the shadow of the occupation of the holy land of Palestine and the dear Quds.”….

Rouhani did not mention the word Israel, nor that it should be “removed”. The agency has now amended its article to reflect the true quotes but the falsified ones have already been doing the rounds.

Netanyahu responded in this manner:

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that “The real face of Rouhani has been exposed earlier than expected.”

Jeffrey Goldberg was triumphant:
 
Moderate Iranian president: “The Zionist regime is a wound that has sat on the body of the Muslim world for years and needs to be removed.”
 
 
“Quds day, which is in memorial of Imam [Khomeini], is a day that people present the unity of Islam against any type of oppression or aggression. And in any case, in our region, it is an old wound that has been sitting on the body of the Islamic world, in the shadow of the occupation of the holy land of Palestine and the dear Quds. And this day, in fact, is a remembrance that Muslim people will not forget this historical right and will always stand against oppression and aggression.”
 
Of course this is not the first time that an Iranian politician’s words have been mistranslated to great effect. In 2005, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was reported to have said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Then:
 
specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and  Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.
Nima Shirazi brought this to our attention. He writes:
 
While much has been written to correct the record, another aspect hasn’t been touched upon.
 
Any comment questioning the ultimate perfection of Israel and the Zionist project is subject to intense and immediate pushback by agenda-driven groups, politicians and pundits.  Once Rouhani’s comments were correctly transmitted as calling the Western-imposed oppression and aggression and the occupation of Palestine a “sore” or “wound” on the region, the same folks began explaining how offense such a description was.
 
But they seemed to be forgetting this:
 
In May 2008, during his campaign, Barack Obama appealed to the good graces of gatekeeper Jeffrey Goldberg to burnish his pro-Israel bona fides. This exchange was part of their conversation:
Goldberg: Do you think that Israel is a drag on America’s reputation overseas?

Obama: No, no, no. But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy. The lack of a resolution to this problem provides an excuse for anti-American militant jihadists to engage in inexcusable actions, and so we have a national-security interest in solving this, and I also believe that Israel has a security interest in solving this because I believe that the status quo is unsustainable.

 
In fact, the reference to the imposition of the Zionist project on Palestine and the Palestinians goes back over 90 years, all the way to the British parliament.

On June 21, 1922, during a session in the House of Lords discussing the implementation and parameters of the Balfour Declaration, parliamentarian George Clarke (Lord Sydenham) argued, “What we have done is, by concessions, not to the Jewish people but to a Zionist extreme section, to start a running sore in the East, and no one can tell how far that sore will extend.”
 
He predicted the ultimate failure of the Zionist experiment because, in his words, “the harm done by dumping down an alien population upon an Arab country—Arab all round in the hinterland—may never be remedied.”
 
As history has shown, this “running sore” has yet to be healed, but – in the meantime – the place called Palestine has all but been wiped from the map. 

Goldberg himself has yet to delete the Tweet he posted with the debunked translation in it. Considering his experience interviewing Obama, one would think such language wouldn’t alarm him so much.

Another thing to note may be that, in 1988, the Vatican’s Pontifical Commission Justice and Peace issued a report called ‘The Church and Racism: Toward a More Fraternal Society’, which condemned doctrines of superiority, lamenting that “in sharp contrast to this growing awareness of human dignity, racism still exists and continually reappears in different forms. It is a wound in humanity’s side that mysteriously remains open.”

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  1. Bill in Maryland
    August 3, 2013, 2:00 pm

    Shibley Telhami, scholar at the University of Maryland and non-resident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, used very similar language recently in Foreign Policy:

    The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is part and parcel of collective Arab identity; a constant reminder of contemporary Arab history full of dashed aspirations and deeply humiliating experiences. It is seemingly unending, with repeated episodes of suffering over which Arabs have no apparent control. It is an open wound that flares up all too frequently, representing the very humiliation Arabs seek to overcome.

  2. Citizen
    August 3, 2013, 2:14 pm

    They are so eager to turn the new Iranian president into the old one. A moderate Iranian president who does not speak to inflame, and is on campaign record as seeking to join hands with the US in mutual concerns, is a major concern to the Zionists. They would much prefer a carpet-chewing Hitler as speaker for Iran, the quicker to cox Dick and Jane to spend their treasure and blood in behalf the chosen ones. Let’s look at how the US mainstream media paints this new Iranian President and his aims. Get ready to puke.

  3. MHughes976
    August 3, 2013, 2:47 pm

    A wound in normal English is ‘healed’ rather than ‘removed’. Still, the translation had the authority of the official news agency and was at very least an absolutely epic blunder in PR terms. Surely the agency has fluent English speakers on its staff and surely Iranian politicians know the importance of saying what you mean in the world’s most prevalent language and checking what is published at least if it’s in a crucially significant speech. If you play into Netanyahu’s hands like that you must expect what you get. He’ll exploit it for years and it will bring him rich rewards. If and when the Kerry talks break down he will mention it seven times.

  4. American
    August 3, 2013, 2:51 pm

    ””What we have done is, by concessions, not to the Jewish people but to a Zionist extreme section, to start a running sore in the East, and no one can tell how far that sore will extend.”

    This is what all the smart people (smart equaling some common sense) said about the zionist plan for a Israel in Palestine from the beginning.
    Not only did it start a running sore in the East, but zionism has become a running sore in the US and other countries whose governments it has inserted itself into.

    In all the conversations I have had over 12 years on I/P-US-Isr with fellow tarheels I met who arent well informed on the issue, I ask them one thing …..would you have been willing for the US to give the Jews North Carolina as their Jewish ruled state and homeland as compensation for their Nazi holocaust?…the answer is always No, that wouldnt be ‘fair’ to us who live here.
    I dont even have to mention that a number of us would have had to be run out to ensure a Jewish majority, leaving behind any property we owned without any compensation and become refugees in another state.
    The answer is always No.

    • Daniel Rich
      August 4, 2013, 4:08 am

      @ American,

      Hammer – Nail – Head. As long as it happens in lands so far away that some can’t even find it on a map, it’s fine and dandy, but when it becomes up close and personal, they all change their tune, without exception. Same experience here.

  5. jon s
    August 3, 2013, 2:59 pm

    It looks like Israel has been downgraded from a “cancer” to a “sore”.
    The occasion for the new Iranian president’s statement was the annual march under the slogan of “Death to Israel”, a slogan which leaves no room for misunderstanding.
    link to nytimes.com

    • Taxi
      August 3, 2013, 3:48 pm

      Don’t worry jon, israel is still a cancer. A mad cancer. Devouring itself as well as its host.

      • jon s
        August 4, 2013, 12:53 am

        Taxi, And cancers need to be removed, right?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2013, 1:41 am

        the regime ruling israel should be removed. yes. zionism as we know it, ethnic nationalism in the holy land should be extinguished.

        how much more clarification do you need? it’s gruesome and ugly, certainly you cannot think this is a good force in the world, for either jews or palestinians. the regime should be exorcised once and for all and good ridance.

      • Taxi
        August 4, 2013, 2:16 am

        Removed by force, yes, jon.

        Mindful here that cancer has no say in its removal either.

        Ex idf sadistic bullies like you, for instance, will get special chemo at the Hague.

        No mercy for war criminals.

        You can take my words and your tears all the way to the hospice for all I care.

      • Ellen
        August 4, 2013, 4:26 am

        jon s, the cancer analogy may be wrong, but since you are playing it:

        No cancer can ever be completely removed, some not at all.

        Cancer is systemic.

        If the host immune system does not prevail, the cancer will kill the host.

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 4:52 am

        Anjnie

        You try so hard to change the words, but it want work as read exactly what President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad writes.

        President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel an ‘insult to humanity’ and said the ‘Zionist black stain’ will soon be washed off. “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of the land, in the future this story (of Israel’s existence) will repeat,”

        This is a personal attack on Zionist Individuals, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad clearly says, he wants all the Zionists (Israelis and world wide) removed and not the Zionist regime as you wish he was writing in order to keep protecting him.

        You can try again and again, but you can not change his words for your convenience.

      • Inanna
        August 4, 2013, 10:23 pm

        yrn, you ignore the gravity of the crimes of Zionism in actually wiping a people and a country off the map in 1947/8. Stop engaging in projection of this onto others and start realising that the state you support has committed massive crimes and should be held accountable. No matter how hard you try to cover this up with hysteria about Iran (look over there!) we do not forget the crimes that your country was founded and still has not accounted for. Funny how you think the words of a former Iranian president are somehow worse than the actions of many Zionists in Palestine who massacred and cleansed the land of non-Jews. You want to see examples of people being driven into the sea? It happened in Haifa and Yafa and it was Jews driving out non-Jews. That’s the dirty underbelly of your cause.

      • Djinn
        August 4, 2013, 11:57 pm

        Yes they do. The prevailing political system in Israel needs to be removed just as Sth Africa’s prevailing system was. YOU assume that means that Israeli must move but that is in your mind.

      • yrn
        August 5, 2013, 2:45 am

        Djinn

        Most Jew Haters know how to hide behind words, so they use the terminology of Regime, Zionism etc……
        Here its clear and he deliberately declares it that you and other readers will understand so he mentions ““The Zionist regime and ZIONISTS are a cancerous tumour.”
        Mahmoud Ahmadinejad makes it clear that he wants the regime and the Zionist who are Israeli.
        If you don’t understand I can explain it to you again.

      • jon s
        August 5, 2013, 6:15 am

        Taxi’s comments are a reminder of an important point: even if a reasonable peace agreement is achieved in the future between Israel and the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world – as I fervently hope and pray- we will still need to be able to defend ourselves from fanatics with ideas like hers.

      • Russian Prussian
        August 5, 2013, 7:34 am

        Well, Zionists can also be removed by changing attitude and beliefs. I think many guests on this site are former Zionists whose consciousness changed.

      • James Canning
        August 5, 2013, 2:42 pm

        Maybe the consciousness of some illegal settlers will change, if they find themselves living in Palestine.

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2013, 5:12 pm

        even if a reasonable peace agreement is achieved in the future between Israel and the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world – as I fervently hope and pray- we will still need to be able to defend ourselves from fanatics with ideas like hers.

        No Jon. It’s fanatics like you and your government that will guarantee no agreement is made.

        And regardless, war criminals should indeed be held accountable.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 3, 2013, 4:31 pm

      “Death to Israel”, a slogan which leaves no room for misunderstanding.

      yes well “Death to Arabs”,leaves no room for misunderstanding either, and every jerusalem day hordes of chanting youth march around saying that. would you like a link to a video?

      and here are Rouhani’s words:

      “In our region, a sore has been sitting on the body of the Islamic world for many years, in the shadow of the occupation of the holy land of Palestine and the dear Quds,” he said. “This day is in fact a reminder of the fact that Muslim people will not forget their historic right and will continue to stand against aggression and tyranny.”

      millions of people denied access to worship is a sore. the continued theft of land is a sore, the continued occupation is a sore, the continued oppression and imprisonment of people is a sore, administrative detention is a sore, in fact

      ‘sore’ is a polite description!

      • MHughes976
        August 3, 2013, 5:18 pm

        Instead of wounds and sores and boils let there be a healthy tissue in which the current system of river-to-sea minority rule is a forgotten irritation and in which people of all races and religions have fully equal rights.

      • American
        August 3, 2013, 8:31 pm

        MHughes976 says:
        August 3, 2013 at 5:18 pm
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        Instead of wounds and sores and boils let there be a healthy tissue >>>

        I think to accomplish that the wound needs debriding first– the necrotic tissue scraped away—and then stitched up very tight for a long enough period of time for the stitches and scab to disintegrate on it’s own.

      • yrn
        August 3, 2013, 6:05 pm

        yes well “Death to Arabs”,leaves no room for misunderstanding either,

        Annie Robins, Have you heard or read the president or the prime minister of Israel saying/writing this.
        What you read is that the president and prime minister as most of Israelis condemning those sick slogans.

        But I never ever read from you condemning that the president of Iran calls Israeli individuals a cancer, or him denying the holocaust.
        You keep on defending him.

        I wrote a comment with a link greatest Holocaust deniers of our time Mr. Robert Faurisson, writing about his favor persona Ahmadinejad,
        ,I was sure it is going to be deleted…..

      • Annie Robbins
        August 3, 2013, 7:24 pm

        Have you heard or read the president or the prime minister of Israel saying/writing this.

        yrn, according to jon’s source, the nyt, the reference to “death to israel” was in exactly the same context as i used it:

        an annual pro-Palestinian holiday in Iran known as Al Quds Day, a reference to the Arabic name for Jerusalem and an occasion in which Iranians march and shout “Death to Israel,”

        no where in the article did it reference a president or PM saying this. and i’ve never even heard of robert faurisson. nice divert.

      • jon s
        August 4, 2013, 12:51 am

        This is the entire paragraph from the NY Times:
        “Attending an annual pro-Palestinian holiday in Iran known as Al Quds Day, a reference to the Arabic name for Jerusalem and an occasion in which Iranians march and shout “Death to Israel,” Mr. Rouhani told state television that “a sore has been sitting on the body of the Islamic world for many years,” a reference to Israel. ”
        Anyone can see the the connection between Mr.Rouhani and that slogan, conveniently removed from Annie’s post.
        In Israel shouting “death to the Arabs ” is a criminal offense. In Iran the shouting of “death to Israel” is led by the president. Surely you see the difference.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2013, 1:54 am

        In Israel shouting “death to the Arabs ” is a criminal offense.

        really, so please show us the list of convictions. or is it akin to the soldier whose violent un provoked brutal assault, which last ten minutes on video, who walked with 2 months jail time 4 years later…yes please tell us the names of all the participants in the shouting marching crowds on jerusalem day screaming ‘death to arabs’ because i didn’t see any arrests being made. jewish criminals rarely get stiff sentences (if any at all) in israel. so what difference is it that it is a criminal offense if there are no arrests and no convictions?

        Anyone can see the the connection between Mr.Rouhani and that slogan

        you mean the way the times reporter framed it? was it anything like the david sheen or max bluementhal videos on the streets of tel aviv? if so prove it. all we know is he addressed state television that day and that he attended. it was a day long event and there is nothing in that paragraph that places him addressing a shouting crowd screaming ‘death to israel’. it’s called a false equivalence jon. but so good of you to show your colors once again.

        and just to drive it home, if netanyahu or like kind addressed the crown on jerusalem day in israel, the same day crowds were chanting death to arabs..would jodi rudoren write

        “Attending an annual pro-zionist holiday in Israel known as Jerusalem Day, a reference to the Jewish name for Al Quds and an occasion in which Israelis march and shout “Death to Arabs,” Mr. Netanyahu told state television that “Iran is a threat to the world,” …

        and would you say “Anyone can see the the connection between Mr.Netanyahu and that slogan”

        say yes jon, say anyone who spoke to the crowd on jerusalem day, a day crowds chanted death to arabs..say you’d point out the connection between the politicians and the slogan. then i will claim you and the nyt ‘conveniently’ didn’t ‘make that connection’ that ‘anybody’ can see.

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 4:47 am

        Annie Robbins

        yes well “Death to Arabs”,leaves no room for misunderstanding either,
        Annie Robins, Have you heard or read the president or the prime minister of Israel saying/writing this.

        This comes from Press TV (Iranian source).
        President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the ‘Zionist black stain’ will soon be washed off. “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of land, in the future this story will repeat,”

        A personal attack on Zionist individuals AND YOU ACCEPT IT.

        When did you ever seen or read any attack of this sort from a president of Israel or prime minister ????

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 5:14 am

        Annie Here are some convicted for shouting “Death to the Arabs”
        1) Jerusalem District Court convicted the right-wing activist David Haivri, holding racist Advertisment.
        2) A football fan Joseph Cohen that called ‘Death to the Arabs, was convicted of incitement .
        3) Shani Seville, former Border policewoman was convicted today in the District Court for abuse and threats calling death to arabs.

        There are many more cases.;

        In Iran calling “Death to Israel”, is pushed by the government.
        And you try all the tricks in the book to support it.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2013, 5:39 am

        yrn says: “In Iran calling “Death to Israel”, is pushed by the government.”

        The goverment is not calling “Death to Jews”. And how convinient is it for Israel that it doesn’t have to call “Death to Palestine” because it has allready killed it?

      • amigo
        August 4, 2013, 6:10 am

        Annie Here are some convicted for shouting “Death to the Arabs”
        1) Jerusalem District Court convicted the right-wing activist David Haivri, holding racist Advertisment.
        2) A football fan Joseph Cohen that called ‘Death to the Arabs, was convicted of incitement .
        3) Shani Seville, former Border policewoman was convicted today in the District Court for abuse and threats calling death to arabs. yrn

        You got the name wrong yrn .It is Shani Sivilia.Just shows how far you went to find the real facts.It seems monstermarketplace.com is a sufficiently credible source.

        She was guilty of far more than shouting “Death to Arabs

        Border Police Officer Who Pulled Trigger Saying ‘Death to Arabs’ Sentenced

        by Richard Silverstein on November 10, 2011 · 4 comments

        in Mideast Peace

        In a rare instance of accountability, an Israeli judge sentenced Shani Sivilya, an Israeli Border Policewoman to three months in prison for taunting and abusing a Palestinian child she’d arrested. The abuse included a mock execution in which fired her gun at the blindfolded victim and shouted “death to Arabs.”. In truth, this qualifies as torture, though in Israel when it’s a Palestinian victim it’s only called “abuse.”

        A fellow officer apparently had a conscience about what she’d done and testified against her, also unusual in these cases. Sivilya also featured swaggering tough gal photos of herself on her Facebook page replete with anti-Arab racist taunts. She provided the evidence to convict herself.

        The probation recommendation offered to the judge recommended she not receive any jail time, but the judge rejected it and sent her away for three months. If you consider that in most other legal systems she would’ve charged with attempted murder and received a far stiffer sentence, she got off exceedingly lightly. It should also be noted that prosecutions in such cases are exceedingly rare and usually only happen when the defendant has done something very public that the authorities find it difficult to overlook.

        All that being said, we have to welcome justice in whatever guise it takes.

        linkhttp://www.richardsilverstein.com/2011/11/10/border-police-officer-who-pulled-trigger-saying-death-to-arabs-sentenced/

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 7:03 am

        Talkback
        Press TV
        President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of the land, in the future this story (of Israel’s existence) will repeat,”

        He Aims on individual Zionist, meaning all Individual Zionist (In Israel Zionists are Jews) are Cancer and must be removed.

        Let’s hear your intelligent explanation .
        You have a problem as Press TV (The Iranian Media) mentions in English (not another translation you can hang on) mentions “The Zionist regime and Zionists”
        You and Annie and all other defenders can’t escape this time hiding behind words or Translations.

      • Cliff
        August 4, 2013, 7:17 am

        Jon s,

        Israeli Jews do more than just shout ‘death to Arabs’.

        Iranians aren’t colonizing Jewish land and holding Jews captive whilst they do so. Israelis Jews are doing so to Palestinians.

        You and your community are.

        You are thieves and occupiers.

        When you shout ‘death to Arabs’ it’s a completely different context. You actually control the lives of millions of Arabs (Palestinians).

        You abuse and murder them. You discriminate against them.

        Iran doesn’t control the lives of millions of Jews and isn’t inflicting terror on the Jewish community anywhere to gain land and resources.

        Just as you lied about the BDS campaign and Burdon recently, you are once again LYING about this.

      • Cliff
        August 4, 2013, 7:20 am

        There is a separate justice system for Jewish criminals yrn.

        Zionist Jews get a slap on the wrist for butchering and abusing Arabs.

        No wonder you love Israel.

      • Qualtrough
        August 4, 2013, 11:00 am

        Zionism is a political movement, and its adherents are known as Zionists. Likening Zionism and its adherents to a cancerous tumour is no more outré than doing the same for other racist political systems, whether Apartheid and its followers, German National Socialism and its followers, the Aryan Brotherhood and its followers, and so on ad nauseum.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2013, 2:05 pm

        yrn says: “He Aims on individual Zionist, meaning all Individual Zionist (In Israel Zionists are Jews) are Cancer and must be removed.”

        The history of Israel to him is that Zionist were given control over land and they took the rest over through war, like cancer. So he doesn’t want to let Zionist control any land so that this story won’t repeat. You could actually argue that he doesn’t have a problem with Jews owning land as long as they are not Zionists meaning they want the rest of the land for a a state.

        And contrary to you and your racist like-minded people I neither have to defend expulsion nor to keep people expelled it to maintain a racist regime hiding behind an Apartheid perversion of “democracy”.

      • RoHa
        August 4, 2013, 10:15 pm

        ‘President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of the land, in the future this story (of Israel’s existence) will repeat,”’

        Since Zionism is bad, removing Zionism would be good. Zionists must be either converted or rendered harmless. You only object because you think Zionism is good.

      • piotr
        August 4, 2013, 11:29 pm

        Was it a Cabinet minister who said “I have killed many Arabs and I have no problems with that.”? Some parties in the ruling coalition have no problem with shouting “Death to Arabs”.

      • john_manyjars
        August 5, 2013, 5:51 am

        Ya got nothing- defending Apartheid will always get you nowhere. In the end- you and your ilk WILL lose.

      • jon s
        August 5, 2013, 6:27 am

        Cliff, in fact the Iranian regime has shown itself to be not only anti-Zionist, but also anti- Semitic: hosting a Holocaust – denial conference, convening anti-Semites from all over, and perpetrating the bloodiest anti-Semitic atrocity since the Holocaust – the terrorist bombing of the Jewish community building in Argentina in 1994.

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2013, 5:21 pm

        Have you heard or read the president or the prime minister of Israel saying/writing this.

        Yes, Netenyahu.
        link to timesofisrael.com

        He also refers to Iranians as Amalekites, which implies Irams should face genocide.

        What you read is that the president and prime minister as most of Israelis condemning those sick slogans.

        Only when it gets reported and leads to bad press.

      • Shingo
        August 5, 2013, 5:25 pm

        hosting a Holocaust – denial conference, convening anti-Semites from all over, and perpetrating the bloodiest anti-Semitic atrocity since the Holocaust

        It was not a Holocause denial cinference.

        – the terrorist bombing of the Jewish community building in Argentina in 1994.

        Stop lying Jon. The judge who led that investigation is facing charges of corruption and bribing witnesses. The FBI has said it had nothing to so with Iran.

        When are you going to give up this BS?

      • James Canning
        August 6, 2013, 2:45 pm

        Bravo, Shingo. Great question.

    • Justpassingby
      August 3, 2013, 4:38 pm

      Of course, or do you like racist, apartheid, terror regimes?

  6. amigo
    August 3, 2013, 4:49 pm

    Personally I see Israel as the scab which needs to be removed from the Sore(Palestine).

    Palestine can then heal.

  7. James Canning
    August 3, 2013, 7:56 pm

    Obama clearly was correct, to refer to the “wound” or “sore”.

  8. talknic
    August 3, 2013, 8:32 pm

    The UNSC has expressed the same sentiments numerous times link to wp.me

  9. ziusudra
    August 4, 2013, 1:08 am

    Greetings,
    Sooner or later all demons fall.
    Zionism will, too.
    A different political wind will come
    from within in Israel.
    Whether the Israelis or Arabs Profit
    from it, will manifest itself from the
    new powers in Israel.
    They are so powerful, they could
    unilaterally declare peace & withdraw
    to the 67 borders w/o any fear from the
    Falesteeni or the Arabs.
    ziusudra

  10. Tuyzentfloot
    August 4, 2013, 2:02 am

    Jeffrey Goldberg will not backpedal, but he may “add nuance”. Like this guy does.

    –Why did two Iranian government-tied news agencies so egregiously misrepresent what he said? This might be a a situation of one lazy reporter’s screw up, followed by another even lazier reporter plagiarizing the screw-up. But it begs the question: How pervasive is the notion of “removing” Israel in Iran that a reporter can walk away and think, “Well that’s what he probably meant.” (Notably, Press TV, another government-run agency, quickly reported the misreporting.)

    The fact that the quote was mistranslated in the first place is treated as significant. The mistranslation wouldn’t have happened if Iran hadn’t been hellbent on destroying Israel in the first place.

    To which my main reaction is: look how robust beliefsystems are. How good they are at survival. What to one person is a debunking, to the other person actually becomes extra reinforcement.

  11. just
    August 4, 2013, 5:11 am

    Why is it that everything the Iranians say is deliberately mistranslated?

    Can any media org. (Isna, etc) or Israeli speak/understand any of the Persian languages?

    • subconscious
      August 4, 2013, 5:32 am

      The curious thing that has mostly escaped attention so far is that much of these mistranslations originate from Iranian sources themselves. ISNA, the original source of the Rouhani mistranslation, is an Iranian news agency. The “wipe-Israel-off-the-map” translation was also at first provided by a semi-official Iranian organization. There are other examples. The more radical news outlets in Iran are notorious for outright fabrication of “news.” So these mistranslations are small change to them (although ISNA is of more of a reformist bent).

      • just
        August 4, 2013, 6:27 am

        Sub– I think that I acknowledged the “role” that ISNA and the requisite quislings in the media played yet again…………..

        Funny how Mr. Netanyahu glommed onto the mistranslation, eh? An immediate reaction from the belly of the beast, accompanied by the US Congress and their incredibly odious sanctions against the people and government of Iran.

    • yrn
      August 4, 2013, 7:18 am

      Just

      You don’t have to translate it………..
      Press TV the official Iranian broadcasting Quotes
      President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of the land, in the future this story (of Israel’s existence) will repeat,”.
      Your hanging on the translation issue is so pathetic, the more you insist the more Press TV shows you all, that this is exactly what they mean.

      The Zionist regime AND THE ZIONISTS are a cancerous tomour and even not One should be left……………
      This is from Press TV not a translation.

      • Justpassingby
        August 4, 2013, 7:46 am

        Lol you are so paranoid, why do you lie like this? Compulsive?

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 8:40 am

        Justpassingby

        That’s good News “Press TV the official Iranian broadcasting ” LIES !

      • Justpassingby
        August 4, 2013, 12:01 pm

        Yrn – Yes thats what you lie about. Whats wrong with you? Its not the first time you fabricate stuff like this.

      • subconscious
        August 4, 2013, 8:38 am

        @yrn,

        The “cancerous tumor” quote is from Ah.’s 2012 Quds Day speech. He made those comments in reference to the 2-state sol’n. He was rejecting the 2ss as a matter of principle. Most of that speech consisted of Protocols-style antisemitism, such as “Zionists” have been responsible for the worst of human misery for the past 2000 years, including slavery, colonialism, the 2 world wars and present-day world-wide poverty. He also called on the world to unite in ending this historic enemy of mankind once and for all.

        It’s fair to denounce extremist speech. However, these statements (by Ah.) are not pronouncements of plans of action. The Israeli claims that such rhetoric indicate Iranian intention of annihilating Israel ASAP are highly exaggerated propaganda.

      • James Canning
        August 4, 2013, 1:14 pm

        Iran has indicated from time to time it will accept whatever deal the Palestinians make with Israel.
        Iranian “threat” to destroy Israel by military means is essentially non-existent.

      • john_manyjars
        August 5, 2013, 5:53 am

        It would be suicide for Iran, given Israel’s large stockpile of nuclear weapons- oh wait, I forgot, they don’t have any! Heh.

      • James Canning
        August 5, 2013, 2:50 pm

        Israel has plenty in the way of conventional weapons, to punish Iran severely in event of an attack on Israel. Not to mention what the US would do.

      • just
        August 4, 2013, 9:23 am

        “Your hanging on” mistranslantion and demonization of Iranians is “pathetic”– why lie, who gains?

        The Israeli government has assassinated scientists. Who is to say that they have not infiltrated the Iranian media?

        yrn– tell the truth– it’s cleansing.

      • yrn
        August 4, 2013, 3:30 pm

        “Your hanging on” mistranslantion ”

        Justpassingby & Just Read carefully.
        This quote is a “cut and paste” from Press TV.
        Published 2 days ago. from Press TV is the first Iranian international news network that writes in ENGLISH,
        “President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “The Zionist regime and Zionists are a cancerous tumour. Even if one cell is left in one inch of the land, in the future this story (of Israel’s existence) will repeat,”.

        So press TV LIES…..
        As I just cut and paste.
        Now call me a Liar Again, maybe it will help you

      • Justpassingby
        August 5, 2013, 4:33 am

        Yrn
        Read carefully? Have you tried google your own fabricated quote?
        The article you try to refer to is 1. isnt even written by PressTv itself and 2. its not even a direct quotation from the president and 3. hes not even president any more! And even if he said this, which he didnt, why do you get so mad? Many people dont like the political ideology of zionism you see.

  12. subconscious
    August 4, 2013, 5:21 am

    The Iranian president would do well to address the various injustices and apartheids that his Islamic Republic perpetrates on its own population before shedding crocodile tears for Palestinian suffering. He should start by healing the wounds and sores on “the body of the Islamic world” that are now under his presidential purview, thereby setting a model for others to follow.

    • amigo
      August 4, 2013, 6:16 am

      “He should start by healing the wounds and sores on “the body of the Islamic world” that are now under his presidential purview, thereby setting a model for others to follow.” subconcious

      And will Israel then follow that model??.

      • subconscious
        August 4, 2013, 7:53 am

        States, like people, should stop their own crimes & misdeeds before crying for those of their official enemies. The Iranian gov’t should set its own house in order, irrespective of the model Israel follows.

      • amigo
        August 4, 2013, 9:35 am

        “The Iranian president would do well to address the various injustices and apartheids that his Islamic Republic perpetrates on its own population before shedding crocodile tears for Palestinian suffering. ” subconcious

        You must be joking.

        Google the following and see who is the leading complainer on this planet.

        “Israel complains to the UN about.”

        See you in a few hours.

    • just
      August 4, 2013, 6:31 am

      Oh really?

      Deflect, divert, etc.– the eternal screed of the hasbarists.

      • just
        August 4, 2013, 6:49 am

        There are many Iranian Jewish folk that choose to continue to live in Iran, subconscious.

        Y’all are going to have to deal with the facts.

      • subconscious
        August 4, 2013, 8:55 am

        @just

        Since you consider it the “eternal screed of the hasbarists” to suggest that states & their leaders should primarily focus on & answer for their own crimes, and since I’d presume you’re not a “hasbarist,” it would follow that you’d advise the Israeli state to engage more in trash talking its enemies by focusing on their misdeeds and to stop being too harsh on itself.

    • Justpassingby
      August 4, 2013, 7:47 am

      Deflection wont bury palestinians hardship under apartheid mr. subconcious.
      Could you name me one other state than Israel that test the dna of asylum seekers to check if they belong to the correct ethnic bloodline in clear apartheid-fashion? No you cant.

    • Donald
      August 4, 2013, 8:56 am

      “The Iranian president would do well to address the various injustices and apartheids that his Islamic Republic perpetrates on its own population before shedding crocodile tears for Palestinian suffering. ”

      I completely agree with this, but of course it also applies to Israel and the US, neither of which follow your advice.

      • subconscious
        August 4, 2013, 9:08 am

        @Donald,

        Safe to say no state follows that dictum; it’s not specific to Iran, Israel or the US.

      • Donald
        August 4, 2013, 12:00 pm

        “Safe to say no state follows that dictum; it’s not specific to Iran, Israel or the US.”

        I’m nitpicking now, but it’s possible that some small countries with no imperialist motives and no particularly serious internal problems with racism or bigotry are innocent. But in general you’re probably right.

    • talknic
      August 4, 2013, 10:51 am

      @ subconscious

      “The Iranian president would do well to address the various injustices and apartheids that his Islamic Republic perpetrates on its own population ”

      That’d be Iranian business under his presidential purview within Iran.

      “before shedding crocodile tears for Palestinian suffering.”

      Israel is acting outside of its Internationally recognized sovereign extent. As such it is the rightfully business of all UN Member states to take any state acting illegally outside of its purview to task, especially Regional Powers

  13. MHughes976
    August 4, 2013, 7:08 am

    I mentioned that I think that this English statement from Iranian official sources is at very least an astonishing and disastrous misjudgement, especially considering all the trouble that surrounding Ahmedinejad’s words.
    That said, it is of course true beyond any argument that Israel is felt in the surrounding parts of the world as something negative and painful. Sores and wounds are metaphors here. It’s in the nature of pain that you want it to stop and to not to return: how else do you feel about it?

  14. anthonybellchambers
    August 4, 2013, 11:37 am

    To downgrade the Palestinian conflict with Israel, would be to commit a serious error of political judgement. For as long as there remains a massive, secret, underground arsenal of nuclear weapons that is completely outside the inspection of the IAEA, there is the probability that these will at some point in the future be deployed against one or more of Israel’s neighbouring states with catastrophic consequences for not only the Middle East but for the entire world.

    To ignore the potential danger of these estimated 300+ nuclear warheads some currently estimated to be already fitted to Israeli submarines patrolling the Mediterranean and the Gulf, would be gross political and military madness.

    Clearly the threat to peace in the M E is not from Iran.

    • RoHa
      August 4, 2013, 11:00 pm

      Good point, but why the commas after the subject clauses?

  15. Sumud
    August 4, 2013, 12:48 pm

    Clearly yrn is having trouble getting over the fact that Ahmadinejad is no longer president of Iran. Currently there are 8 mentions of him between the article and the comments, and 7 of those are by yrn.

    Nary a mention of the moderate Rouhani.

    Reminds me of the all ziobots still pushing the same tired hasbara that paints all Palestinians all as terrorists and suicide bombers, years after the last suicide bombing. I get the sickening feeling that some of the bots secretly long for those days again.

    • James Canning
      August 4, 2013, 1:11 pm

      @Sumud – - The Palestine suicide bomb attacks in Tel Aviv were one of the reasons for the illegal US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

  16. James Canning
    August 4, 2013, 12:57 pm

    And Obama very stupidly failed to send a representative to the conference in Helsinki, re: Middle East zone that is nuke-free.

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