Israel lobby group compiles secret dossiers on pro-Palestinian speakers

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(Photo: Facebook.com/StandWithUs)

(Photo: Facebook.com/StandWithUs)

The day before Ali Abunimah, co-founder of the Electronic Intifada, gave a speech on Palestine in Port Townsend, Washington in 2010, he exposed a dossier circulated about him.  Authored by the right-wing pro-Israel group StandWithUs, it was a blueprint for what local activists should do when questioning Abunimah.

“When Ali Abunimah comes to your campus, be prepared for a sophisticated, smooth advocate of radical Palestinian positions,” the dossier circulated by Rob Jacobs, Northwest Regional Director of StandWithUs, said.

Screenshot of Stand4Facts' dossier on Abunimah

Screenshot of Stand4Facts’ dossier on Abunimah

But Abunimah is not the only public figure to get the StandWithUs treatment.  A whole website, accessed only by those with usernames and passwords given by StandWithUs, is filled with information on dozens of people who speak out for Palestinian human rights (though it also includes anti-Semites like Kevin MacDonald).  Mondoweiss obtained access to the website through a source.

Stand4Facts.org is meant to help “Israel advocates respond to and counter anti-Israel speakers who come to your campus.”  The site announces it was “made possible by generous funding from the Newton D. and Rochelle Becker Foundation in partnership with the Jewish Community Foundation of Los Angeles.”  The repository of information on speakers and groups is one part of StandWithUs’ efforts to boost Israel’s image on college campuses, where the group spends more than half of its money. (I previously revealed StandWithUs’ internal strategy for combatting Israel Apartheid Week, which began yesterday in the U.S.)

Through the website, you learn that the Israeli soldiers group Breaking the Silence, which documents human rights abuses, is “fringe” and helps “the cause of extremist organizations which oppose Israel’s existence”; that Palestinian-Israeli human rights group Adalah has a “far-reaching [agenda of] delegitimizing and defaming the Jewish State”; and that Human Rights Watch has become “an anti-Israel lobby.”

Far more material is devoted to individual Palestine solidarity activists.  In total, Stand4Facts.org has compiled material on about 101 speakers who frequent college campuses.  For each speaker, there’s an “overview”; biographical information; quotes that are critical of Israel followed by rejoinders; questions to ask the speaker and more.

The human rights attorney Noura Erakat, for instance, is described as a “young, attractive and inflammatory American-Palestinian” who “cloaks her attacks on Israel and defense of Palestinians in post-modern human rights, feminist jargon.”  (The listings on many of the female speakers contain comments on their attractiveness.)  Here’s a sampling of the questions they suggest StandWithUs activists ask Erakat when she speaks.

Screenshot of Stand4Facts' page on Noura Erakat.

Screenshot of Stand4Facts’ page on Noura Erakat.

You wrote that your family worked very hard to maintain your Palestinian identity and to keep you from becoming ‘Americanized.’ Can you please explain what aspects of Americanization were most offensive to you and what aspects of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?

As a lawyer, you must be acutely aware of the difference between South Africa whose laws set up apartheid and Israel whose laws strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all. Are you intentionally deceiving this audience by claiming Israel has an apartheid system or do you really not understand the difference?

In order to have peace, there must be mutual understanding and even respect for each other’s narratives and history. Which aspects of Israel’s history and situation do you and other Palestinians find most persuasive and legitimate?

Stand4Facts.org describes Craig and Cindy Corrie, the parents of American activist Rachel Corrie, as “a pleasant, soft-spoken middle-aged couple” who nonetheless “travel in deeply anti-Israel circles.” The website adds:

Their daughter died while working with the Palestinian-allied International Solidarity Movement, and neither Cindy nor Craig publicly have distanced themselves from the ISM’s militant record. In fact, the Corries continue to work with the ISM in spite of the fact that the organization played a leading role in Rachel’s death.

The site encourages Israel advocates to ask the Corries questions like:

Since Israel’s withdrawal, Gaza has turned into an anarchic, violent place of armed clans fighting one another for power and money, and more Palestinians have been killed this year by Palestinian violence than by Israelis. Did your daughter have any knowledge of these power struggles and competing clans? If not, how come she wasn’t more aware of the realities around her?

Another speaker profiled is Josh Ruebner, author of Shattered Hopes: The Failure of Obama’s Middle East Peace Process.  Described as “well educated, articulate, and young,” Stand4Facts states that Ruebner is “a Jew willing to concede that the Palestinians have been wronged and that it is appropriate to publicly criticize Israel.”

Other speakers on the website include: Asad Abu’Khalil; Anna Baltzer; Dalit Baum; Phyllis Bennis; Norman Finkelstein; and Nadia Hijab.

In addition to the information on speakers and activist groups, StandWithUs provides campus activists with “lies and distortions” about Israel that they can challenge. According to the right-wing group:

The Deir Yassin massacre was no massacre.  It was “a military Arab-Jewish battle with unfortunate civilian casualties.” Israel did not create Palestinian refugees–”The Zionists frequently urged Palestinians not to flee the areas they secured and encouraged them to stay in their homes and communities.” The Israeli military hardly killed any civilians during Operation Cast Lead.  “75% to 85% of casualties were terrorist operatives, according to the IDF, the U.N., and other sources.”

When the Electronic Intifada’s Abunimah revealed the existence of the dossier on him, activist Emma Rosenthal took to Twitter to say that StandWithUs had a dossier on her. In response, the group told her, “Happy to assure you, you aren’t that important.”

But there is a dossier on Rosenthal–and many, many more people.

About Alex Kane

Alex Kane is a freelance journalist and graduate student at New York University's Near East Studies and Journalism programs. Follow him on Twitter @alexbkane.

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  1. CitizenC
    February 25, 2014, 11:06 am

    Plus ca change…

    ADL Spies
    link to counterpunch.org

    The ADL Spying Case Is Over, But The Struggle Continues
    link to counterpunch.org

    FBI Investigated Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for Espionage
    “Quashed case” mystery solved: culprit is once again secret Israeli intervention
    link to irmep.org

    • hophmi
      February 25, 2014, 11:38 am

      Writing a dossier based on publicly available information is spying?

      OK, then . . . You people really are like little children with stuff like this. You need to grow up. Your people do exactly the same thing.

      • justicewillprevail
        February 25, 2014, 12:10 pm

        Anybody with half a brain know that there is no equivalence between the two sides, and in particular the motives of each. They would also be well acquainted with the anti-democratic, underhand deception and the attempts to silence people who do not share the zionists love of their own propaganda. Palestinians and their supporters do not have the multi-billion funds and infiltrators of the US media and politicial system at their disposal. Yeah, ‘exactly the same thing’. Lol.

      • hophmi
        February 25, 2014, 12:18 pm

        “Anybody with half a brain know that there is no equivalence between the two sides, and in particular the motives of each. ”

        Right. So when you compile dossiers, it’s “OK” because you’re more right. There’s a principled position.

        “They would also be well acquainted with the anti-democratic, underhand deception and the attempts to silence people who do not share the zionists love of their own propaganda.”

        LOL. Silence who? Who’s being silenced? Ali Abunimah writes op-ed after op-ed for the NY Times and he’s quoted all the time. So who’s silencing him? Help me! I’m being oppressed! I got only five op-eds into the Times, and I sent in six!

        “Palestinians and their supporters do not have the multi-billion funds and infiltrators of the US media and politicial system at their disposal. Yeah, ‘exactly the same thing’. Lol.”

        Multi-billion funds? LOL. More complaining. Your community has plenty o’cash. There are plenty of rich Muslims in the United States, and way more of them internationally than there are Jews. Stop playing the victim. You don’t lack money.

      • justicewillprevail
        February 26, 2014, 7:28 am

        How telling that you start talking about ‘rich Muslims’. Of course the zionist framing reflects their ignorant prejudices. Just point us to the Palestinian equivalent of AIPAC and its streams of funding from Israel and the US. Show us how many senators have signed up for Palestinian cash and do its bidding however damaging to the US. Remind us of the Palestinian stooges like Dersh who campaign against free speech, try to get people sacked and continously lie and smear. Show us the Palestinian equivalents of the Koch brothers and wackos like Adelson. Nobody here is playing the victim – trying to turn your own tactics against other is another feeble attempt at equivalence. Such nonsense you write under the spell of ziocaine.

      • Citizen
        February 26, 2014, 8:37 am

        @ hophmi

        After you ponder justicewillprevail’s response to your comment, I suggest you actually sit down and read Walt & Mearsheimer’s The Israel Lobby, including the 100 pages of source footnotes. This because your false equivalences indicate the appearance of a brain totally lacking the power to independently perceive and address the comparative power of Palestinians and/or Muslims versus Zionists in Establishment America.

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 2:34 pm

        ” Just point us to the Palestinian equivalent of AIPAC and its streams of funding from Israel and the US.”

        Whose fault is that? It’s not my fault that you can’t organize around the topic of Palestine.

        “Show us how many senators have signed up for Palestinian cash and do its bidding however damaging to the US.”

        Maybe they’re just not that into you.

        “Remind us of the Palestinian stooges like Dersh who campaign against free speech, try to get people sacked and continously lie and smear.”

        There are plenty of those in academia. They are MESA members who refuse to hire faculty who do not subscribe to their political views. And seriously, JWP, how many people has Dershowitz actually gotten fired? I can think of one person, and as I’ve told you many times, he got fired because he’s a little crazy, not because of his politics. If it was because of his politics, there would be a lot more people getting fired.

        “Show us the Palestinian equivalents of the Koch brothers and wackos like Adelson.”

        The Koch Brothers? I’m responsible for them now, too? You know they’re not Jewish, right?

        ” This because your false equivalences indicate the appearance of a brain totally lacking the power to independently perceive and address the comparative power of Palestinians and/or Muslims versus Zionists in Establishment America.”

        Learn to read. I never wrote that they were equivalent. But that’s not the fault of the Zionists. That’s your fault. You need to either organize better, or get a better cause. No one is keeping you out of public square. You just don’t want to face the truth, which is that Americans are just less receptive to your cause and your message. You’re jealous, more than anything else.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 27, 2014, 11:50 am

        Learn to read. I never wrote that they were equivalent. But that’s not the fault of the Zionists. That’s your fault. You need to either organize better,

        we can read. you claimed You people really are like little children with stuff like this. You need to grow up. Your people do exactly the same thing.….Your community has plenty o’cash. There are plenty of rich Muslims in the United States, and way more of them internationally than there are Jews. Stop playing the victim. You don’t lack money.

        it might behoove you to comprehend we don’t want to be like you or need to be like you.

        It’s not my fault that you can’t organize around the topic of Palestine.

        but we are organized. and considering we don’t spend billions a year on lies and hasbara we’re giving zionists a run for their money. or didn’t you noticed. in fact, as i recall the gov of israel said we (the ‘deligitimizers’) were israel’s biggest threat.

        who needs growing up hops? i think your team is loosing on the online battlefield, the field of public opinion. you’re all so bereft of ammo (lies, ad hominems and diversions) your flailing around would be amusing if people’s lives and rights were not at stake.

      • Naftush
        February 26, 2014, 2:32 am

        Well, Palestinians’ supporters don’t have “multi-billion funds” but their leaders sure do, right in their pockets. And yes, anybody with half a brain does know “There is no equivalence between the two sides, and in particular the motives of each.”

      • Shingo
        February 26, 2014, 3:16 am

        Well, Palestinians’ supporters don’t have “multi-billion funds” but their leaders sure do, right in their pockets

        So where are these funds and what have they bought them? And why do they insist on schlepping around in Ramallah when their billions could be buying them a lavish lifestyle in Paris or London where all the other retired war criminal types like to retire?

      • justicewillprevail
        February 27, 2014, 9:15 am

        hopper “you’re jealous” – kind of reminds me of the playground taunts of the inadequate wannabe kids who desperately tried to bolster their own egos with this redundant and deeply hilarious claim. Really, I am jealous of crypto-fascists, redneck right-wing racist bigots who endorse land and resource theft, the kidnapping and jailing of minors, imprisonment and torture without trial, apartheid segregation, reject universal human rights and genuine democracy – whilst ceaselessly peddling lies and myths designed to hide the reality of their half-baked 19th Century ethno-nationalist supremacist ideology? Such an attractive prospect you hold out, you are an example to us all.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 27, 2014, 12:03 pm

        jwp, i found it particularly amusing when hops claimed ““More complaining” after your retort we didn’t operate with multi-billion dollar slush funds. honestly, i can’t figure out what we’d do differently with that kind of money. the truth doesn’t change when you have cash behind it. it’s not the money, it’s public opinion and their ship is sinking. it reminds me of something i read recently. ” never ignore the herd.”

        we’re the herd, and they know it too.

        ;)

      • hophmi
        February 27, 2014, 2:23 pm

        “it might behoove you to comprehend we don’t want to be like you or need to be like you.”

        So, you don’t want to be organized, and you don’t want to convince members of Congress to adopt your POV. Really?

        “but we are organized.”

        Yeah, in a rudimentary sense. But not in a meaningful political sense.

        “and considering we don’t spend billions a year on lies and hasbara we’re giving zionists a run for their money.”

        You spend plenty of lies and propaganda. This site is not an objective news source. You’re engaged in promoting a political POV. In any event, this notion that you don’t spend money promoting your cause is a crock. You spend plenty on it. It just doesn’t come from the same places our money comes from. Yours mostly comes from the Gulf, and places like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. One place it does not generally come from, though, is Americans, and yes, in that respect, our movement is much more American-based than yours is.

        You would kill to be organized like we are, Annie. Any decent Palestinian activist who has a brain and can understand that activism does not require demonizing every opponent in the way all of you do. You’d be amazingly stupid not to strive for the bipartisan coalition that we’ve built. The only people I know of who don’t recognize its important are the extremists on the right, your equivalents in the Jewish community.

        “in fact, as i recall the gov of israel said we (the ‘deligitimizers’) were israel’s biggest threat.”

        Yes, they did say that. But they weren’t talking about you. They were talking mostly about the Europeans, who are always susceptible to blackmail from the Arab states in a way Americans are not.

        “i think your team is loosing on the online battlefield, the field of public opinion.”

        Not in America, we aren’t. As I’ve long said, it’s hard in a world with 1.5 billion Muslims and 14 million Jews to win consistently in an online environment. But that says zero about the comparative moral worth of our arguments.

        “you’re all so bereft of ammo (lies, ad hominems and diversions) your flailing around would be amusing if people’s lives and rights were not at stake.”

        Yeah, I’m the one who throws out all of the ad hominem here. Every comment I make draws a couple dozen ad hominem attacks that moderators like you let through, but I’m the ad hominem one. LOL. You are so unbelievably non-self-aware. Or so unbelievably deceitful.

        But this childish denial that you engage in is probably why those in America who sympathize with our position vastly outnumber those who sympathize with yours.

      • hophmi
        February 27, 2014, 2:30 pm

        “Really, I am jealous of crypto-fascists, blah, blah,blah. . . .”

        Good job completely ignoring the point, jwp.

        “it’s not the money, it’s public opinion ”

        Right, and you have very little of it on your side in this country.

        “we’re the herd, and they know it too.”

        There is not a single piece of evidence that I know of to support that contention in the United States. It’s exactly the opposite.

      • CitizenC
        February 25, 2014, 12:14 pm

        Try reading the articles before sounding off.

        “After examining the sequestered files, San Francisco police inspector Ron Roth, estimated that 75% of the information had been illegally obtained…”

        “What was particularly embarrassing for the ADL was the release of information that Bullock and Gerard, who had also provided information directly to ADL officials, were also being paid by South African intelligence agents to supply information on the activities of the Bay Area’s anti-Apartheid organizations and South African exiles affiliated with the ANC and other black African organizations.

        In one of his depositions, Bullock acknowledged that doing this required no additional work since he was already spying on the anti-apartheid movement for the ADL. Foxman, on his part, had openly condemned the African National Congress as a “terrorist” organization that supported the PLO.

        One individual the South African agents were particularly interested in was Chris Hani, the man who was expected to succeed Nelson Mandela as the country’s president. Hani was assassinated in South Africa shortly after a speaking tour in California during which he was trailed by Bullock who prepared a lengthy report on it for the South African government, a copy of which was found in his files.”

        ….

        “One of the targets Bullock “befriended” was Palestinian-American Alex Odeh, the head of the Orange County chapter of the ADC who would be killed by a terrorist bomb when he opened the door to his Santa Ana office on October 11, 1985.

        In Bullock’s files, police found a key to Odeh’s office as well as the floor plan. Although Bullock has not been linked to the unresolved murder, the fact that an ADL spy was in possession of such items is something that Foxman obviously would not want advertised.”

        Don’t know offhand how deep SWI is in but they are doubtless working with the Israeli govt at some level.

      • really now
        February 25, 2014, 7:30 pm

        I am curious why they kept the information in the files secret. It would seem to make more sense to publicly present arguments against speaker’s arguments they disagree with.

        Still having canned questions to speakers they disagree with during the q and a is a lot better than organizing students to scream at speakers. Not as annoying but seems kind of dumb is going to an event and taking seats only to get up and leaving implying that we aren’t going to listen to anything you have to say.

        At least with a canned question, they go to an event and hear what the other side has to say and wait to try to ask what they perceive to be tough questions and hear a response.

      • Citizen
        February 27, 2014, 12:33 pm

        @ Annie Robbins (no reply button)

        RE: “…i can’t figure out what we’d do differently with that kind of money. the truth doesn’t change when you have cash behind it. ”

        Caveat: Truth doesn’t change when you have cash behind it, but perception of truth can change accordingly. Eventually (ah there’s the rub) truth will out, but look how long it took to glide away from Bernay’s leggy girls smoking Lucky Strikes to harsh warnings on cigaret packs. Who can count the lung cancer deaths during that glide? Imagine if Sheldon Adelson put his cash behind, say Muzzlewatch, IfAmericansOnlyKnew, Mondoweiss, BDS, Rachel Corrie’s parents? Instead, we get tax deductible donations to tax exempt American NGOs directly funding the IDF and illegal settlers, even though what they do was once against official US foreign policy, and remains at least an official US “obstacle to peace.”

      • Donald
        February 25, 2014, 1:16 pm

        They have every right to keep files on people. It’s the sheer stupidity of what seems to be in those files that should embarrass them and you, since you seem to want to defend them. For instance, a list of talking points based on discredited claims about the Nakba or Deir Yassin makes them look like racist idiots.

      • Qualtrough
        February 25, 2014, 10:28 pm

        “Your people”. In poker they call that a ‘tell’.

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 4:06 pm

        ““Your people”. In poker they call that a ‘tell’.”

        What tell would that be, exactly? I use the term colloquially to describe your political camp, which I think is probably different than my own.

  2. Nevada Ned
    February 25, 2014, 11:06 am

    StandWithUs – or similar groups – has been doing stuff like this for years.
    David Horowitz’ FrontPageMagazine compiled a set of dossiers on leftwing and pro-Palestinian activists, dubbed “discover the networks“.

    And that’s how AIPAC worked, back when MJ Rosenberg was their executive director.

    I hope Mondoweiss will give each of the 101 speakers a copy of the dossier that StandWithUs has compiled, so that the speaker won’t be blindsided by an unexpected question.

    • Shingo
      February 25, 2014, 3:21 pm

      I hope Mondoweiss will give each of the 101 speakers a copy of the dossier that StandWithUs has compiled, so that the speaker won’t be blindsided by an unexpected question.

      There’s no danger of that Ned. As Donald has pointed out, the questions are the old Hasbara drek we hear all the time and anyone who can’t smack these points down shouldn’t be speaking.

      • Citizen
        February 25, 2014, 4:36 pm

        It’s never an ineffective thing to refresh the memory. I second the proposal to give each of the 101 speakers a copy of the dossier talking points compiled by StandWith Us. Look at it as a crib sheet.

    • Alex Kane
      February 25, 2014, 4:47 pm

      I’m working on it, everyone.

    • hophmi
      February 26, 2014, 4:07 pm

      “I hope Mondoweiss will give each of the 101 speakers a copy of the dossier that StandWithUs has compiled, so that the speaker won’t be blindsided by an unexpected question.”

      Honestly, Ned, if a speaker is blindsided by any of these questions, he’s not prepared. This should be kids stuff.

      • Shingo
        February 26, 2014, 5:25 pm

        Yes I agree with you Hop,

        These questions are pretty sophomoric and should be easily handled by anyone who considers themselves a speaker.

  3. Citizen
    February 25, 2014, 11:26 am

    I can imagine the dossiers on Phil, Adam, Annie…. Glen Greenwald…. Alex Kane…

  4. hophmi
    February 25, 2014, 11:28 am

    OMG, Alex, are you saying that political groups keep track of the opposition? Are you saying that pro-Palestinian activists do not keep track of their Zionist opponents and do not create informational literature about them for use by their activist communities?

    • Annie Robbins
      February 25, 2014, 11:45 am

      Are you saying that pro-Palestinian activists do not keep track of their Zionist opponents and do not create informational literature about them for use by their activist communities?

      and, what would give you that idea? actually, we have sites hops. like this link to rightweb.irc-online.org

      they are not a secret. there are also sites for online activism. and there’s mondoweiss too of course. it’s fun tho, don’t you think? reading their ‘gotcha’ questions?

      it reminds me of the “be emotional” instructions distributed to pro israel students during UCB student senate divestment hearings.

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 2:43 pm

        “and, what would give you that idea? actually, we have sites hops. like this link to rightweb.irc-online.org”

        Yes, you do, and that’s my point.

        “there are also sites for online activism. and there’s mondoweiss too of course. it’s fun tho, don’t you think? reading their ‘gotcha’ questions?”

        I think it’s quite astute to provide your activist base with a question guide, and I’m sure you do something similar. If you don’t, perhaps you should.

        “it reminds me of the ‘be emotional’ instructions distributed to pro israel students during UCB student senate divestment hearings.”

        Does it? Because it reminds me of the holes in the logic of your movement.

        “Hophmi, it’s the influence of USA-based lobbying groups working on behalf of a foreign power, and vice versa, that’s so insidious. ”

        Is it, really? Is that your argument? Just who is it that you’re advocating on behalf of? Americans? BS. You’re lobbying on behalf of the interests of Palestinians; you never tire of saying that BDS is a PALESTINIAN-LED movement. But you’d say you’re not lobbying on behalf of a foreign interest, but merely in favor of a better American foreign policy position.

        So tell me again, what’s the insidious part? You’re doing EXACTLY what you accuse others of doing.

      • adele
        February 26, 2014, 4:21 pm

        Knock Knock, Hophmi, anybody home?

        Many folks on this thread commented on the crucial difference between SWU & MW: Transparency & Openness.

        But of course, you choose to ignore the critical factor that undermines all your arguments.

        Care to comment on transparency, or rather lack of it at SWU?

      • hophmi
        February 27, 2014, 2:36 pm

        “Many folks on this thread commented on the crucial difference between SWU & MW: Transparency & Openness.”

        Well, first of all, SWU and MW have very different roles. Mondoweiss is a blog. SWU is a campus organization.

        Again, the question is whether you really think that organizations that are more similar to what SWU is, such as the national MSA umbrella group, or others like CAIR, ISNA, etc., do not keep records like this confidential. And again, I have to point out that this is such a great example of how Alex makes a mountain out of molehill.

        SWU has some intern compile a one page paper using publicly available sources on some person, and makes it available to any student with an email account, and you call it a big secret. It’s silly. It’s not a big secret, and the information is not groundbreaking. I challenge people here to grow up and to admit that they’d be happy if campus SJPs had access to a database of oppo research on Zionist speakers and a list of suggested questions to ask each one.

      • adele
        February 27, 2014, 4:52 pm

        Hophmi,
        #1) when will you understand the dynamics between those who fight for justice and those who attempt to thwart it? Social Activist individuals/groups have always been spied on and infiltrated, it is a given. Just recently PBS aired a documentary on one such instance of it wrt the civil rights movement in Mississippi (link to video.pbs.org). This is not an isolated incident, it is a known tactic used countless times. Why do you think the NSA spying revelation was such a big deal? Because it is considered unconstitutional.

        Whereas, on the other hand, social justice movements have no need to make use of these clandestine tactics, why would they exert effort on spying or infiltrating? What would be the purpose, how would the movement gain by it? It makes absolutely no sense, one side wishes to change the power structure by appealing to the sense of justice, rule of law and civil rights, the other side wishes to suppress those voices because of the truth they convey. Period. End of story.

        #2) if you are convinced that the organizations you mention engage in covert methods then put on your investigative sleuth hat and present the evidence. If they do, they should be called out on it, because doing so undermines their cause and sullies their reputation along with all those they portend to represent. Period. End of story.

        Evidence, Hophmi, evidence. You can’t just present a case theory without the cold hard facts.

    • Balfour
      February 25, 2014, 12:22 pm

      Hophmi, it’s the influence of USA-based lobbying groups working on behalf of a foreign power, and vice versa, that’s so insidious. The “Israel Lobby” is not the first example of a foreign power effectively dictating US. Foreign policy: after WW 2 numerous U.S. Chinese/American lobbying groups worked to further the political/military and economic interests of the Nationalist Chinese government, as well as American based lobbying groups that monitored “anti-Nationalist Chinese” activity in the USA and reported their findings back to the Nationalist Chinese government. Henry Luce, of the Time/Life publishing empire, was one of many influential Americans that publicly proclaimed the security of Nationalist China as synonymous with American security and American interests, and American citizens, working on behalf of the “China Lobby”, worked tirelessly to place men representing their views in key policy-making positions. The “China Lobby” was so effective in determining American foreign policy that American understanding of the region was severely hampered, with disastrous results.

      • chuckcarlos
        February 25, 2014, 12:40 pm

        worked out well for Taiwan…they got everything and the Chicoms got nothing…

        well we got, well we got. well your TV, your mouse, your shoes, your shirt, your computer, your Ipad, some of your lumber, your gypsum board, nails, screws…courtesy of those beaten Chicoms

        General Stilwell called that Chinese Fascist Leader Chiang, “PEANUT”…and apt description…Netanyahu is just a worthless asshole

        be interesting to see what scatological reference General Marshall would put Netanyahoo

      • seafoid
        February 25, 2014, 1:22 pm

        “Netanyahu is just a worthless asshole”

        Avnery refers to him as the former furniture salesman….

    • adele
      February 25, 2014, 12:49 pm

      Hophmi,
      Simple question: why is the information that StandWithUs compiles only accessible via username & password only made available to a select few, whereas here on MW the information/analysis/discussion is out in the open?

      Once again, your chronically inept zio-defense has been exposed for the hasbara is it. Sorry to spoil your day.

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 2:45 pm

        “Simple question: why is the information that StandWithUs compiles only accessible via username & password only made available to a select few, whereas here on MW the information/analysis/discussion is out in the open?”

        Gee, Adele, why were people who were invited to the BDS conference at Cooper Union this weekend told not to publicize the event to a wider audience?

      • adele
        February 26, 2014, 4:24 pm

        Gee Hophmi,
        I can’t comment if you don’t back up your statements with evidence. But you still haven’t answered the question, have you?

      • Mondowise
        February 26, 2014, 4:27 pm

        idiotic how your hasbara ‘response’ is usually a non-response, totally fails to address the question by posing another question. hop, your credibility sucks, and that you can’t see how or why only provides further amusement for the rest of us.

    • amigo
      February 25, 2014, 12:51 pm

      “Are you saying that pro-Palestinian activists do not keep track of their Zionist opponents and do not create informational literature about them for use by their activist communities? hopknee

      Not the brightest bulb on the zionist tree are you.Palestinian activists need only tell the truth.

      Your lot has to keep coming up with newly reworked Hasbara which never works.

    • thankgodimatheist
      February 25, 2014, 5:19 pm

      Hophmi
      Could you please tell us why those files are meant to be kept secret? What could there be to hide? Embarrassing, if revealed, collection of lies and fabrications perhaps?

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 2:48 pm

        “Could you please tell us why those files are meant to be kept secret? What could there be to hide? Embarrassing, if revealed, collection of lies and fabrications perhaps?”

        See my answer to Adele. I surmise that it is the same reason the BDS conference at Cooper Union isn’t being publicized. People would interpret it the wrong way and blow it out of proportion. As you can see, there’s nothing in this dossier that isn’t publicly available.

        I can think of other reasons. Perhaps StandWithUs, which is not the only organization that keeps tabs on people, does not want other orgs stealing their info.

        It’s highly, highly amusing to me (and telling) that you people think that organizations like the AADC, CAIR, ISNA, and pro-Palestinian groups in general do not do exactly the same thing with oppo research. You really are deluding yourselves if you think otherwise. I mean, are you all really that naive?

      • adele
        February 27, 2014, 12:35 pm

        Hophmi,
        I am still waiting for you to provide the smoking gun on the secret Cooper Union BDS Conference.

  5. chuckcarlos
    February 25, 2014, 11:50 am

    sounds like a Wall of Honor to be included in any list these goons put together…

    They do a bang up job preventing Roger Waters from getting the message out and making a few bucks…also seems David Gilmour is quaking in his loafers…

    Palestinian Children

  6. seafoid
    February 25, 2014, 12:16 pm

    “Israel advocates respond to and counter anti-Israel speakers who come to your campus.”

    But they have no decent hasbara. All the potency of these guys
    link to en.wikipedia.org

  7. amigo
    February 25, 2014, 12:46 pm

    “When Ali Abunimah comes to your campus, be prepared for a sophisticated, smooth advocate of radical Palestinian positions,”SWS

    Hmmm,
    Sophisticated = can,t pull the zionist wool over his eyes.

    Radical Palestinian positions = they require Equality and Justice.

    I met Ali Abuminah some 5 years ago and shared a very enlightening few hours with him and some other Palestinian activists.

    Good that the zios are working hard to resist “The Truth”.

  8. Krauss
    February 25, 2014, 12:55 pm

    This has been a standard among Zionist groups for a long time.

    It was the same thing with the Vietnam protests. Authoritarian groups/states do these things, partly out of fear as they feel they no longer control the situation(that’s correct).

    In the end, they can have as many dossiers as they want. It won’t budge the issue one inch. They must adress the Apartheid/racism inherent in the occupation which in turn is a logical course of action for Zionism. After all, the occupation has been existing for almost 70% of Israel’s existance as a state.

    Yet groups like StandWithUs don’t want to deal with such things.

    Man, their tactics have really worked so far, have they?

    • seafoid
      February 25, 2014, 3:04 pm

      In Mexico they say “esto se va a poner de la chingada” for what is going on now with Zionism

      Things are really going arseways

  9. eGuard
    February 25, 2014, 1:00 pm

    See the screenshot about Ali Abunimah, near the end: He is currently writing a book to make his case for the one-state plan, which will be published in September 2006.

    At first this makes a smile: how outdated it is! Then think again: such secret reports might be around for years.

    • Alex Kane
      February 25, 2014, 5:37 pm

      Yes, it’s totally true that it’s years old, and they haven’t updated. But they still use it. Copyright on the website is 2014, and I know they give their new activists access to it

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 4:12 pm

        “Yes, it’s totally true that it’s years old, and they haven’t updated. But they still use it.”

        Maybe that’s a sign that they don’t take it all that seriously, and that, contrary to what you might think, they do not have an army of people working on this stuff for them. Although this stuff is made available to students and researchers, it’s clearly meant for students.

        Really, this is the kind of thing you assign interns to do. Go online and write me a one page report. People who are really interested in getting Ali a hard time are going to go far beyond this level of research and will probably do it on their own.

      • eGuard
        February 26, 2014, 7:55 pm

        hoppi: Maybe that’s a sign that they don’t take it all that seriously
        Sure it’s a sign they were seriously at it already in 2006.

        People … will probably do it on their own.
        Why are they throwing money in then? Who is paying you then? What is Hillel International doing then?

  10. amigo
    February 25, 2014, 1:13 pm

    “As a lawyer, you must be acutely aware of the difference between South Africa whose laws set up apartheid and Israel whose laws strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all.” Preprogrammed zio activist.

    Nour with obvious pleasure at the opportunity responds!!!
    I really want to thank you for asking that question.

    Seems to me Israel,s hasbara squadron is walking it,s troops into the breach, armed with self destroying ammunition.You got to love these desperate fools.

    • Citizen
      February 25, 2014, 1:40 pm

      “…Israel whose laws strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all.”

      Yes, given the mountains of evidence accrued against it in the MW archives, this statement can only be made on this blog by a preprogrammed zionist activist. Why make it? In the hope a naive and ignorant passer-by bites? To feebly try to derail the on-going more educated comment discussion? To keep repeating lies endlessly no matter how outlandish, as the Nazis did?

      To the ignorant passer-by lurking on MW: There are more than 50 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel in all areas of life, including their rights to political participation, access to land, education, state budget resources, and criminal procedures. Some of the laws also violate the rights of Palestinians living in the 1967 OPT and Palestinian refugees.

      For a quick dose of education, go to Adelah’s website and see Adalah’s Brief on Discriminatory Laws and Bills Since 2009, and compiled Pending Discriminatory Bills in the 19th Israeli Knesset.
      This database collects text, analyses, and legal action for present and proposed discriminatory laws in Israel and the OPT. Please explore.

  11. seethelight
    February 25, 2014, 1:44 pm

    Is there a way to access http://www.stand4facts.org without having to sign in? If not, would Phil or someone copy the full dossier and make it available on Mondoweiss, or some other website?

  12. Moshe Neeman
    February 25, 2014, 2:06 pm

    Important piece, even if this is only the latest of a many-years long effort to defame Palestinian rights activists, among them Jews and Israelis, in every slanderous method possible.

    How about posting the list of the 101 targeted by SWU?

    Thanks!

  13. Sycamores
    February 25, 2014, 3:02 pm

    i believe Ali Abunimah has stumble upon the holy grail,
    these dossiers are actually pages from the infamous ‘hasbara book for dummies’.

  14. seafoid
    February 25, 2014, 3:17 pm

    For Bintbiba and the generations after her

    From Verse, a poem written by Nizar Qabbani in the wake of the 1967 war:
    link to en.wikipedia.org

    link to syedirfanajmal.com

    ” We do not want an angry generation
    To plough the sky
    To blow up history
    To blow up our thoughts.
    We want a new generation
    That does not forgive mistakes
    That does not bend.
    We want a generation of giants.

    Arab children,
    Corn ears of the future,
    You will break our chains,
    Kill the opium in our heads,
    Kill the illusions.
    Arab children,
    Don’t read about our suffocated generation,
    We are a hopeless case.
    We are as worthless as a water-melon rind.
    Dont read about us,
    Dont ape us,
    Dont accept us,
    Dont accept our ideas,
    We are a nation of crooks and jugglers.
    Arab children,
    Spring rain,
    Corn ears of the future,
    You are the generation
    That will overcome defeat.”

  15. Cliff
    February 25, 2014, 3:55 pm

    A whole website, accessed only by those with usernames and passwords given by StandWithUs, is filled with information on dozens of people who speak out for Palestinian human rights (though it also includes anti-Semites like Kevin MacDonald). Mondoweiss obtained access to the website through a source.

    @hoppy and the rest of the Jewish supremacist/Zionist shortbus

    SWU is a fascist organization that is pro-settlements and pro-occupation.

    This information was not out in the open. Only those w/ presumably some kind of membership to SWU can access it.

    So no, there is no parallel to Palestinian solidarity groups here. Not that I can think of off the top of my head. I’ve never heard of a Palestinian solidarity group profiling Zios in a secretive fashion w/ access given in a ‘members only’ way.

    Once again, you pathological liars don’t have a leg to stand on in your defense of the most vulgar parts of the American Jewish community.

  16. Nth Republic
    February 25, 2014, 4:25 pm

    If you obtained access to the site, why are we just getting a short summary and some examples of who StandWithUs has intelligence dossiers on? Why not dump all the documents on a filehosting site and publicize so that we can see firsthand the full scope of their operation?

    • ToivoS
      February 25, 2014, 6:51 pm

      Why not dump all the documents on a filehosting site?

      Probably because they protected it with a copyright.

  17. DICKERSON3870
    February 25, 2014, 7:26 pm

    RE: “Israel lobby group compiles secret dossiers on pro-Palestinian speakers”

    MY COMMENT: This article presents a very revealing look at the McCarthy-like tactics* of ‘Israel First’ Industry**.

    * SEE – “The AIPAC Politics of Smear: The Secret Section in Israel’s U.S. Lobby That Stifles American Debate”, By Gregory D. Slabodkin, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992, pages 7-8, 89-91

    [EXCERPTS] During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were ruined by false charges of “communism” and “treason,” American Jewry was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy’s smear tactics was twice that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed resolutions condemning McCarthy’s ruthless character assassination.
    Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith (ADL) and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
    • Secretly Circulated Lists
    To conduct this “neo-McCarthyism,” AIPAC operates a covert section within its research department that monitors and keeps files on politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish liberals, and others it labels “anti-Israel.” AIPAC selects information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the “guilty,” together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed by their statements, often totally out of context.
    Just as McCarthy’s permanent investigations subcommittee labeled criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as “anti-American,” or “pro-Soviet,” AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli government policies “anti-Israel,” “pro-Arab” or “pro-PLO.” Still worse is the pro-Israel lobby’s redefinition of “anti-Semitism” to include any such criticism of Israel or its actions. . .
    . . . AIPAC’s “opposition research” department traces its roots to I.L. (Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC’s weekly Near East Report, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly titled column, “The Monitor.” Besides monitoring, analyzing, and responding to “anti-Israel” comment and activities in the United States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC’s “enemies.” In his final year AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
    Kenen’s memoirs, “Israel’s Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in Washington”, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to create a “truth squad.” Its purpose was to combat “pro-Arab propaganda” and the emerging “Arab lobby,” which Kenen believed to be a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
    “While vigorously defending Israel’s perceived interests, the organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of Jewish thought police,” journalist Robert I. Friedman explains. “Investigators—sometimes overzealous Jewish college students, sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies—were used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists, politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind would weaken the Jewish state.”
    When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December 1974, the task of monitoring Israel’s “enemies” was left to the department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained ever since. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to wrmea.org

    ** SEE: “The ‘Israel First’ Industry and CEO Profiteering”, by James Petras, dissidentvoice.org, 1/16/14
    LINK – link to dissidentvoice.org

    • DICKERSON3870
      February 25, 2014, 7:33 pm

      P.S. FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE: “The ‘Israel First’ Industry and CEO Profiteering”, by James Petras, dissidentvoice.org, 1/16/14

      [EXCERPTS] During the first half of the 20th century, socially conscious Jews in the United States organized a large network of solidarity and charity associations financed mostly through small donations, raffles, and dues by working and lower middle class supporters. Many of these associations dealt with the everyday needs of Jewish workers, immigrants, and families in need. . .
      . . . Over the past fifty years a far-reaching transformation has taken place within Jewish organizations, among its leaders and their practices and policies. Currently, Jewish leaders have converted charities, social aid-societies and overseas programs for working class Jews into money machines for self-enrichment; converted charities funding health programs for Jewish refugees fleeing Nazism into the funding of colonial settlements for armed Zionist zealots intent on uprooting Palestinians; and organized a powerful political machine which buys US Congress people and penetrates the Executive in order to serve Israeli military aims. From defending human rights and fighting fascism, the leaders of the principle Jewish organizations defend each and every Israeli violation of Palestinian human rights – from arbitrary arrests of non-violent dissidents to the detention of children in ‘cages.’ Israel’s Kafkaesque prolonged administration detention without trial is approved by contemporary leaders. In the past Jewish leaders, especially labor and socially-engaged activists had joined forces with Leftists in opposition to political bigots, McCarthyite purges and blacklists. Today’s leaders practice the very same bully, blackmail and blacklist politics against critics of Israel and its Zionist appendages.
      In the past Jewish leaders of social aid organizations received modest salaries . . .
      . . . The moderately social liberal Jewish weekly, The Forward, recently completed a survey of the salaries of Jewish “not-for profits” leaders, with the aid of a professor from the Wharton School of Business (University of Pennsylvania). Among the leading profiteers was Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) earning $688,280, Howard Kohr of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) — $556,232, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee (AJC) — $504,445, Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) — $435,050, Janice Weinman of Hadassah — $410,000, Malcolm Hoenlein of the Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations (PMJO) — $400,815, Mark Helfield of the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society — $268,834 and Ann Toback of the Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring — $185,712. These salaries and perks put the Jewish leaders of non-profits in the upper 10% of US incomes — a far cry from the not-too-distant past. According to the analysis by the Forward and the Wharton team, ‘most leaders (CEOs) are vastly overpaid – earning more than twice what the head of an organization of their size would be expected to make”.
      While the membership has declined in many organizations, especially among working and lower middle class Jews, the funding has increased and most important the plutocratic leaders have embraced a virulent militarist foreign policy and repressive domestic policies. Forward describes Abraham Foxman as “diverting the ADL from its self-described mission of fighting all forms of bigotry in the US and abroad to putting the ADL firmly on the side of bigotry and intolerance.” . . .
      . . . The overwhelming response of the Jewish readers to the Forward’s survey was one of indignation, disgust, and anger. As one reader commented, “The economic disconnect between their (CEOs) salaries and the average incomes of those who contribute to their charities is unacceptable”. Another indignant reader remarked succinctly: “Gonifs! (Thieves!)”. Many announced they could cut off future donations. One formerly orthodox reader stated, “I would rather give to a street beggar than to any of these”.
      The drop-off of donations from lower-middle class Jews, however, will have little effect in reducing the salaries of the ‘non-profit’ CEO’s or changing the politics of their ‘non-profits; because they increasingly depend on six and seven digit contributions from Jewish millionaires and billionaires. Moreover, the contributions by big donors are linked to the politics of repression at home and securing multi-billion dollar military aid and trade programs for Israel from the US Treasury. The billionaire donors have no objection to funding the millionaire leaders – as long as they concentrate their efforts on buying the votes of US Congress members and aligning their politics with Israel’s war aims. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – link to dissidentvoice.org

  18. DICKERSON3870
    February 25, 2014, 8:59 pm

    Seeing this photo that Stand With Us uses on Twitter has inspired me to post a very special musical interlude!

    A MIDWINTER EVENING’S MUSICAL INTERLUDE, proudly brought to you by the makers of the new Über-Xtreme Ziocaine® Ultra CR (Controlled Release) Transdermal Patch: Let The Good Times Roll!™

    Shiny happy people laughing

    Meet me in the crowd
    People, people
    Throw your love around
    Love me, love me
    Take it into town
    Happy, happy
    Put it in the ground
    Where the flowers grow
    Gold and silver shine

    (chorus)
    Shiny happy people holding hands
    Shiny happy people holding hands
    Shiny happy people laughing

    Everyone around
    Love them, love them
    Put it in your hands
    Take it, take it
    There’s no time to cry
    Happy, happy
    Put it in your heart
    Where tomorrow shines
    Gold and silver shine

    (repeat chorus)R.E.M. – Shiny Happy People (Video)

    Hey, here we go!

    (repeat chorus 4x)

    R.E.M.: Shiny Happy People [VIDEO, 03:51] – link to youtube.com

    P.S. The Ziocaine concept was first used on Mondoweiss by “Mooser”.

    • DICKERSON3870
      February 25, 2014, 9:08 pm

      P.P.S. FROM SongMeanings.com:

      What this song is really about is: I remember reading that the title came from a piece of Chinese propaganda that the Chinese government put out after Tienanmen square, that had a first line that translated to read “the shiny happy people holding hands”, which always lead me to believe that the entire song was not only meant to be sarcastic, but it was meant to be almost bitterly so. Simply put, a song to mock the overly happy fits of lunacy that people put out to mask real life problems.

      Unfortunately for REM, the song became what it was mocking. ~ bobbyjameson October 15, 2011

      SOURCE – link to songmeanings.com

    • DICKERSON3870
      February 25, 2014, 11:24 pm

      P.P.P.S.
      • REM: SHINY HAPPY PEOPLE (WHITE LABEL CLUB MIX & EDIT DJ EDY) [VIDEO, 06:18] – link to youtube.com

    • asherpat
      February 26, 2014, 9:37 am

      Despite the incessant attempts to murder us and our children, we are indeed “Shiny happy people” – we create value for the world, Intel, irrigation, Waze, help to Haiti, we allow different people (including Arabs) to live their lives without fear – and indeed, according to several survey, Israelis are among the most content people in the world.

      On the other side, the people who this website and most commenters support, the people who do not accept us, who want to uproot us at the least, and people who wud not at all balk at slaughtering us (after all, majority of Arabs do not object to suicide bombing of ISraeli civilians) – these people are backward, poor, their societies are misogynist, condone “honour killings”, persecute homosexuals, practice widely female genital mutilation, have no tolerance to other religions, condone violence against civilians.

      You guys back the wrong side.

      • Shingo
        February 26, 2014, 7:09 pm

        Despite the incessant attempts to murder us and our children, we are indeed “Shiny happy people”

        So long as your hermetically sealed bubble isn’t perforated. The minute any criticism penetrates that firewall, you turn from “Shiny happy people” into Chicken Littles and insist it’s 1939 all over again.

        according to several survey, Israelis are among the most content people in the world.

        That would explain why you are suffering the largest brain drain in the west and why 50% of Russian Jews have returned home (ie. Russia).

        You guys back the wrong side.

        You guys are the the bottom 3 most disliked states in the world. I’d say you might want to pull your head our of your ass and smell the coffee.

      • Talkback
        February 27, 2014, 8:43 am

        ashperat: Since you mention, the “mandate” – actually, the “Mandate” mandated that the land is used for Jewish homeland. San Remo, all subsequent decisions and facts on the ground were to make the “Mandate” land for Jewish people.

        Nonsense. The mandate was about establishing a national home in Palestine, not to make the whole of Palestine a national home.

        In fact, the existence of “Palestinian” people as a nation is, as any reasonable observer agree, highly debatable BEFORE 1960s,…

        Not at all. Chairman of the permanent mandate commission of the League of Nations:
        “Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.””
        link to unispal.un.org

        And finally, EVEN if one agrees to follow your desperate logic that Jews and Arabs in the Mandate were indeed some concoction-nation called “Palestinians” (so Jews in Israel are also “Palestinians” now?, only descendents of those who were here in 1919? 1850?) –

        I assume that you don’t know that Jews and Arabs were citizens of the mandated State of Palestine and therefore “Palestinians”, because neither you nor your ancestors had become citizens. You probably don’t even know that todays (PLO) definition of Palestinians automatically includes Jews (and their paternal descendants) from pre-Mandate times. “Palestinian” was never an ethnic term, but a national term.

        … you still don’t disprove my original claim that “one thing Palestine never was – “Palestinian”. – because it was under the Mandate, so neither Jewish nor Arab and not “Palestinian”. I am waiting for your logical disproval, devoid of straw-man arguments please.

        I just did. Palestine pre 1948 was the state of the citizens of Palestine, called “Palestinans”. This legal definition differs from the PLO definition, but both include non-Arabs.

        the acquisition of territory by Israel isn’t in itself illegal

        Of course it is. Do you believe that Jews have special rights?

        How can you claim “ethnic cleansing” when the article itself claims that the Arab population is rising?!!?

        Oh, so if the Jewish population is rising there was no Holocaust according to your logic.

        apartheid [AP: this smear is wearing tired, you all know it – and it even isn’t logically supported – apartheid is about race, since Arabs are of the same race as Jews, the definition doesn’t hold. You may claim discrimination on basis of citizenship (justified due to real security concerns) but not apartheid – but you chose propaganda attempts over serious debate.

        Apartheid: How about keeping Nonjews expelled and denationalized to maintain domination of a Jewish minority?

      • eljay
        February 27, 2014, 8:55 am

        >> … we are indeed “Shiny happy people” …

        There’s something desperately wrong with people who are made shiny and happy by supporting (or engaging in) oppression, land theft, colonization, destruction, torture, murder and tribal supremacism.

      • Talkback
        February 27, 2014, 8:59 am

        Asherpat: this is a non-sequitur, because you are trying to insinuate Geneva convention but the territories are not occupied from a qualifying side, and so, don’t fall under this definition.

        ROFL Does someone else share your absurd opinion? Even the Supreme Court of Israel and the IDF base their decisions within the framework of “belligerent occupation”. And the international court of justice including all UN-member states of the UN except the facists of your antigentile Apartheid Junta sees it the same way.

        There is no need for that, the UN (or the League of Nations) have reconfirmed the ownership of Jewish nation over the biblical land of Israel.

        ROFL. Maybe in the Kahane continuum, but in this universe the UN has ruled that Israel occupies the Palestinian territories, including Jerusalem.

      • DICKERSON3870
        February 27, 2014, 6:58 pm

        RE: “[W]e are indeed ‘Shiny happy people’ – we create value for the world, Intel, irrigation, Waze, help to Haiti… You guys back the wrong side.” ~ asherpat

        MY REPLY: I’m very proud to not be backing the same side as “Pastor” John Hagee, shiny happy people or not!

        SEE: “A Serial Obstructionist”, By Rachel Tabachnick, ZEEK – Forward, 3/15/10

        [EXCERPTS] . . . Shortly after Vice President Joe Biden’s arrival in Israel, Netanyahu and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat were the headliners at Pastor John Hagee’s two-hour Christians United for Israel (CUFI) extravaganza at the Jerusalem Convention Center. . .
        . . . Monday’s CUFI production was based on the concept of “biblical Zionism,” or the belief that God mandates nonnegotiable borders of Israel, and any leader or nation who thwarts this divine plan will be cursed. Before introducing Netanyahu, Hagee stated, “World leaders do not have the authority to tell Israel and the Jewish people what they can and can not do in Jerusalem.” He added, “Israel does not exist because of a decree of the United Nations in 1948. Israel exists because of a covenant God made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. . . The settlements are not the problem.”
        In his books and sermons Hagee has promoted a “greater Israel,” that will reclaim all of Israel’s former biblical territory, stating “In modern terms, Israel rightfully owns all of present-day Israel, all of Lebanon, half of Syria, two-thirds of Jordan, all of Iraq, and the northern portion of Saudi Arabia.”
        At the Jerusalem CUFI event Hagee described Ahmadinejad as the Hitler of the Middle East who could turn the world upside down in 24 hours, words similar to those he made when lobbying for the attack on Iraq. . .
        . . . During a performance by singer Dudu Fisher, the God TV camera panned to the audience and centered on Joel Bell, leader of Worldwide Biblical Zionists. WBZ is currently building a center in Sha’ar Benjamin for “facilitating absorption” of Christian Zionists into the West Bank. It was established after a joint meeting held in Texas of the Board of Governors of World Likud led by Danny Danon, and World Evangelical Zionists led by Joel Bell. Speakers included ZOA’s Morton Klein. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to zeek.forward.com

      • DICKERSON3870
        February 27, 2014, 7:07 pm

        P.S. ALSO SEE: “Worldwide Biblical Zionists”, By Rachel Tabachnick, 10/19/09

        [EXCERPTS] Worldwide Biblical Zionists (WBZ) is a project of World Likud and its evangelical arm, World Evangelical Zionists. It was developed to aid Christian Zionists who wish to make aliyah (move to Israel) with the stated goal of providing assistance for housing, employment, legal services, and pre-military training. . .
        . . . Christian Zionist financial support for the West Bank has been ongoing for years, and Ariel has been a favorite for donors and adopt-a-settlement programs marketed to churches. However, some Likud party members and Christian Zionists are now taking even more extraordinary measures to populate the West Bank, showing just how far the concept of Christian Zionism can be taken.
        In January, 2007, Christian Zionist Joel Bell became director of the World Evangelical Zionists (WEZ), the evangelical department of World Likud. Bell states that in June of 2007 the “Jewish Zionist Congress and other Zionist organizations began supporting WEZ’s affiliation. This launched Biblical Zionists activities together with Governmental Institutions.”
        A joint Board of Governors Conference with WEZ and World Likud leaders was held in Texas in July 2007, and a new organization was launched in November under the under the name Worldwide Biblical Zionists. Danon and Bell were joined as keynote speakers at the Texas conference by Sagiv Assulin of Likud, and Christian Zionists William Koenig, former White House correspondent in the George W. Bush administration. Morton Klein of ZOA was also listed as a speaker in the promotional materials including this flash presentation. Other guest speakers listed in the promotional material were Keith and Jodie Anderson. Jodie Anderson heads the Battalion of Deborah, an organization which works with the Knesset’s Christian Allies Caucus and has, according to Public Research Associates’ RightWeb, received funds from Irving Moskowitz. . .

        ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to talk2action.org

  19. Qualtrough
    February 25, 2014, 10:35 pm

    “You wrote that your family worked very hard to maintain your Palestinian identity and to keep you from becoming ‘Americanized.’ Can you please explain what aspects of Americanization were most offensive to you and what aspects of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?”

    Talk about chutzpah. Imagine for a moment the gnashing of teeth and cries of anti-semitism if someone asked a similar question about any of the Haredim living apart in the USA?

  20. RoHa
    February 26, 2014, 12:47 am

    “You wrote that your family worked very hard to maintain your Palestinian identity and to keep you from becoming ‘Americanized.’ Can you please explain what aspects of Americanization were most offensive to you and what aspects of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?”

    Question based on unsupported assumption. Has he ever suggested that any aspect of Americanization is in any way unwelcome to him (as distinct from his parents)?
    Has he ever suggested any aspect of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?

    A better question would be “Do you agree with your parents’ policy?”

    “As a lawyer, you must be acutely aware of the difference between South Africa whose laws set up apartheid and Israel whose laws strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all. Are you intentionally deceiving this audience by claiming Israel has an apartheid system or do you really not understand the difference?”

    Assumes Israeli laws do indeed strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all. Should be an easy one for him to answer simply by showing unequal laws, and then adding “Are you intentionally deceiving this audience by claiming Israel has equal laws, or do you really not understand the way Israeli law works?”

    “In order to have peace, there must be mutual understanding and even respect for each other’s narratives and history. Which aspects of Israel’s history and situation do you and other Palestinians find most persuasive and legitimate?”

    Part of a possible response: “It would be wrong to respect narratives when they are blatant, self serving lies.”

    • Shmuel
      February 26, 2014, 3:29 am

      “In order to have peace, there must be mutual understanding and even respect for each other’s narratives and history. Which aspects of Israel’s history and situation do you and other Palestinians find most persuasive and legitimate?”

      Here too, the premise is flawed. In order to have peace (of the realistic variety), there is no need for “mutual understanding and even respect for each other’s narratives and history”. What is actually required is an accord capable of meeting the basic minimum needs of both sides. Mutual understanding or respect (necessarily mutual, which is what makes such a question posed to a Palestinian by an organisation like SWU so slimy), may or may not develop in the wake of a viable compromise.

      A smartass answer (as befits a smartass question) might be: I prefer the Talmudic approach: “Without justice there can be no peace” (Tractate Derekh Eretz Zuta, Chapter on Peace).

      • Sibiriak
        February 26, 2014, 6:02 am

        Shmuel:

        “In order to have peace, there must be mutual understanding and even respect for each other’s narratives and history. Which aspects of Israel’s history and situation do you and other Palestinians find most persuasive and legitimate?”

        Here too, the premise is flawed.

        The question after the premise seems strange to me. How can an aspect of Israel’s history be persuasive and/or legitimate ? Does that presume that there is a single, uncontested historical narrative–an official version? Worse: how can an aspect of a situation be persuasive/legitimate?

      • eljay
        February 26, 2014, 8:47 am

        >> A smartass answer (as befits a smartass question) might be: I prefer the Talmudic approach: “Without justice there can be no peace” (Tractate Derekh Eretz Zuta, Chapter on Peace).

        That reminded me of “liberal Zionist” R.W.’s approach: He said he was interested in “peace, not ‘justice'”.

        I found interesting the fact that he put the word justice in quotation marks, as though justice were a fraudulent concept (like supremacist “Jewish State”).

      • hophmi
        February 26, 2014, 4:13 pm

        I am interested in peace and justice. I have my definition of what that means, and you have yours.

      • eljay
        February 27, 2014, 9:07 am

        >> I am interested in peace and justice. I have my definition of what that means, and you have yours.

        No doubt. For you, peace and justice require the continued existence of a supremacist “Jewish State”. For me, peace and justice do not require the existence of any supremacist state.

  21. Shmuel
    February 26, 2014, 3:33 am

    “When Ali Abunimah comes to your campus, be prepared for a sophisticated, smooth advocate of radical Palestinian positions”

    In other words, expect to see someone who does not fit your stereotype of an Arab. Sneaky bastard.

    • seafoid
      February 26, 2014, 4:26 am

      “When Ali Abunimah comes to your campus, be prepared for a sophisticated, smooth advocate of radical Palestinian positions”

      When Lionel Messi comes to your football field, expect to leak goals
      link to youtube.com

      It’s not about radical or not. It’s about mastery of the skills. Abunimah has it.

    • MahaneYehude1
      February 26, 2014, 5:04 am

      @Shmuel:

      In other words, expect to see someone who does not fit your stereotype of an Arab. Sneaky bastard.

      In other words, In my stereotype of the Israeli-Jew, Israeli-Jews have “Arab stereotype”.

      • Shmuel
        February 26, 2014, 5:21 am

        In other words, In my stereotype of the Israeli-Jew, Israeli-Jews have “Arab stereotype”.

        Stand With Us is not “the Israeli-Jew”, but if you would like to continue this game, perhaps it is in my (MY’s) stereotype of your stereotype of the Israeli Jew.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 26, 2014, 8:53 am

        @shmuel:

        Stand With Us is not “the Israeli-Jew”

        No, I certainly don’t want to continue this game since we had enough this week. I try to search after good research about “Arab’s stereotypes among SWU members around the world” but couldn’t find, and I wonder why do you allow yourself such generalization.

      • Shmuel
        February 26, 2014, 9:44 am

        I try to search after good research about “Arab’s stereotypes among SWU members around the world” but couldn’t find

        A couple of examples:

        link to f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com

        link to muzzlewatch.com

        The broken link in the Muzzlewatch article: link to bytwerk.com

      • amigo
        February 26, 2014, 9:18 am

        Mehane, why don,t you check out the following link.

        It is full to the brim of pure zionist lies and Hasbara.You will feel quite at home there.Everything you ever wanted to hear about Israel.

        link to hasbarafellowships.org

        See ya in a year or two.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 26, 2014, 10:42 am

        @Amigo:

        I don’t understand how this link is relevant to the stereotypes Shmuel used.

        @Shmuel:

        Thanks for the links but there is nothing with stereotypes of Arabs in general. To depict Palestinian terrorism, the photo is a good representatives. It is the same if I upload photos of settlers and Jewish extremists depicted by Palestinian organizations. I think we have to be careful with stereotypes like in your original comment.

      • Shmuel
        February 26, 2014, 11:14 am

        MY1,

        The guardian of Israel never slumbers or sleeps. Your beat is now not only defending Israel, but any organisation remotely associated with your “side”? First it was Learn and Live, and now it’s Stand With Us.

        As for the links, I didn’t expect you to understand (or admit to understanding) why a kefiyah-clad man with scary eyes, labelled “terrorist”, or the depiction of Palestinians as vermin might be stereotypes. The classic substitution exercise (Jews would work very nicely here) would thus be lost on you as well.

      • amigo
        February 26, 2014, 11:23 am

        “It is the same if I upload photos of settlers and Jewish extremists depicted by Palestinian organizations.”mehane 1/2 or 3???.

        But you support Jewish extremists.You refuse to condemn the goi for blaming the Palestinian victims of price tag attacks .As you refuse to condemn the goi , you must agree with their claim and ergo do not place the blame on the Jewish terrorists.

        Try not to use the excuse on non relevancy mehane.It might come back and bite your pancreas.

    • hophmi
      February 26, 2014, 4:14 pm

      “In other words, expect to see someone who does not fit your stereotype of an Arab. Sneaky bastard.”

      LOL. Whose stereotype? They call him sophisticated, and you complain. If they called him stupid, you’d also complain.

  22. just
    February 26, 2014, 5:50 am

    After reading how unexposed the students from Jewish Day Schools at U. Penn are,

    link to mondoweiss.net

    somehow I am not too surprised by this attempt to give canned hasbara fodder to the “kids”.

    I guess it also points to the failure by ‘some’ to prevent the people working for justice to speak freely on campuses all over this land.

    It’s kind of a win, imho. More exposure on the nutsy pro- Israel lobby groups, more desperation in the air.

    • joemighty
      February 26, 2014, 8:20 am

      Strange—I would have thought that the Jewish Day School kids who questioned their education would have been a positive thing to you, since you are so vociferous about your views. No points for kids questioning what they’ve been fed?

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 26, 2014, 11:25 am

        @Shmuel:

        You are mistaken, I am not defending any organization. They don’t need Mahane in MW to defend them. About L&L, I hope you read my and Walid comments.

        For unknown reason to me, I didn’t hear your voice when other people use stereotypes against us. In best, you keep your silence. I want to know what do you think about this comment (that you didn’t respond as you respond harshly to my comments?)
        link to mondoweiss.net
        Do you think it contains stereotype of the Mizrahi Jews?

      • Shmuel
        February 26, 2014, 12:00 pm

        I want to know what do you think about this comment … Do you think it contains stereotype of the Mizrahi Jews?

        Yes, the idea of Mizrahi Jews as basically good but passive and manipulated by Ashkenazi Zionists does play into a few stereotypes (of the kind discussed at length e.g. by Sami Chetrit), but it doesn’t come anywhere near the depictions of Arabs (perfidious, lecherous, violent, terrorist, vermin) with which you don’t seem to have any problem.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 26, 2014, 12:15 pm

        OK, Shmuel, thank for your honesty about the Mizrahi Jews and I hope next time to hear your voice when your read such comments.

        About the second part, you are mistaken again and it is your interpretation only (I never used stereotypes of any group in my comments as many are doing as in the example of the Mizrahi Jews) , but let’s leave it this way. It seems to me that we never agree. Thanks.

      • MahaneYehude1
        February 26, 2014, 12:17 pm

        @Taxi:

        I hope you read Shmuel comment and I am waiting your apology for the above comment and for the rest of your comment. Thanks in advance.

      • Cliff
        February 26, 2014, 12:18 pm

        @Kahane

        Exactly, you racist. Why do you ignore the widespread hatred by your Zionist cult members against Arabs?

  23. piotr
    February 27, 2014, 9:43 am

    I do not find info on activists particularly offensive, I am more allergic to the idea of preparing “good questions” for the simple students who could not come with appropriate sophistry on their own. Look at the first question prepared for “attractive Noura Erekat”, a law professor at Temple:

    You wrote that your family worked very hard to maintain your Palestinian identity and to keep you from becoming ‘Americanized.’ Can you please explain what aspects of Americanization were most offensive to you and what aspects of Palestinian political and cultural life should be introduced into the US?

    Yet, it can be beneficial because it allows to prepare answers! My stab: “Thank you for a very stupid question. Every parent has to work with children to maintain family values that are different from values that are often predominant in schools and colleges, so they would cherish their own language, religion, food, value academics over athletics and so on. For that matter, the popular American culture as it really exists in schools worries many American parents too, and the answer is not an isolation but confidence that your children should have in their own values.

    The reason I am saying that this is a stupid question is that you insinuated that I detest American culture and political system, which is a bit rich coming from the proponents of leaving America to live in a theocratic state of their own.”

  24. piotr
    February 27, 2014, 10:00 am

    I could not resist to aswer the next question (even though I am not a lawayer)

    As a lawyer, you must be acutely aware of the difference between South Africa whose laws set up apartheid and Israel whose laws strive to ensure equal human and civil rights for all. Are you intentionally deceiving this audience by claiming Israel has an apartheid system or do you really not understand the difference?

    As you should be aware, the political culture of Israel is hostile to the notion of equality. For example, the principle that all Jews should be treated equally was rejected by the Knesset, a secular male Jew is obliged to serve 3 years in the military and a religious Jew serves for 16 months in a special unit, and if a secular male Jew refuses he goes to prison, and nothing much happens for a religious Jews. Treatment of Jews versus non Jews is of course even more disparate. Property rights of non-Jews are abrogated while Jews benefit from legal and illegal confiscations. There are tens of laws that give privileges to Jews over non-Jews, while the way law is practiced produces even more radical differences.

    Most importantly, burdens and injustices imposed by the occupation match the original South African apartheid, yes they are different in details but in no way less onerous.

  25. anonymouscomments
    February 27, 2014, 1:19 pm

    Is there a reason why the whole of their list is not released? Or at least the NAMES of those profiled (if you fear copyright or the source has issues etc.?).

    I am wondering if certain people I know were profiled and I assume they would be far more interested. Then perhaps you could release text to them, or at least they would know. We’ve already seen from your article that they deny that they have profiles on people they do.

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