EU Prez Martin Schulz wreaks havoc during speech at Knesset

EU-Parlament President  Martin Schulz Knesset 12. Februar 2014, 02:50

EUParlament President Martin Schulz Knesset February 12 2014 (photo: freiewelt.net)

German European Parliament President Martin Schulz caused an uproar during his address to the Knesset today because of remarks he made about conditions in occupied Palestine.

It appears some Israeli MKs are unaware of the gross discrepancies between water allocations in the areas under their purview.  Haaretz  reports EU President Schulz was accused of “blatant” and “lying propaganda“, “selective hearing” as well as incitement “against Jews” during a session in the Knesset today when he repeated a question from a Palestinian youth alluding water usage in Israel was several times that of occupied Palestine and questioned if it was true:

“A Palestinian youth asked me why an Israeli can use 70 cubic liters of water and a Palestinian just 17,” he said. “I haven’t checked the data. I’m asking you if this is correct.”

This claim came as a surprise and shock to some members of the Knesset! Indignant, Habayit Hayehudi [Jewish Home] party leader Naftali Bennet demanded an apology and walked out with his party’s MKs in tow.

MK Moti Yogev (Habayit Hayehudi) called to Schulz: “Shame on you, you support someone who is inciting against Jews.”

“The comments made in the Knesset are very serious,” said party chairman Naftali Bennett. “Habayit Hayehudi demands an apology from the president of the European Parliament, who said two lies in his speech, which Palestinians fed him. Silence in the face of lying propaganda grants legitimacy to activities against Israeli citizens.”

MK Itzik Shmuli of Labor has filed a complaint to the Knesset’s ethics committee, saying the walkout was “in contempt of the Knesset.” Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On said she objected to the damage done to the Knesset as an institution.

Culture and Sports Minister Limor Livnat, of Likud, supported the walkout.

“Give him all due respect, but the president of the [European] Parliament stands here and says a blatant lie as though Israelis have the right to use 70 cubic liters of water and the Palestinians 17 cubic liters,” she said.

Netanyahu accused the EU President of “selective hearing”. German press website DW reported Bennett immediately took to his Facebook page:

 “I will not tolerate duplicitous propaganda against Israel in the Knesset … and especially not in German.”

And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was  “inappropriate” to give a speech in German at the Knesset because:

“the language used when our parents were thrust into the railway wagons and in the crematoria.”

More from DW:

In his speech, Schulz also said “the Palestinians have the right to self-determination and equality,” and that they want to “live in peace and have unlimited freedom of movement,” which he said they are denied in Gaza.

Shortly before his Knesset speech, Schulz had complained of sensitivity in Israel against criticism from Europe. “Mutual criticism is quite normal in a democracy,” he told Israeli journalists. “The EU stands by its special relationship with Israel, but that does not mean that it has to agree with every decision of the Israeli government,” stressed Schulz.

We recommend “Everyday Nakba” (7:36!) an award winning documentary about water, filmed and directed by Mohammad al-Azza. Set in Aida refugee camp , West Bank Palestine:

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Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani
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  1. gingershot says:

    This has the potential of being a WATERSHED

    Can the water experts please support/provide Schultz the facts (including GAZA which gets sewage to drink) and DESTROY Netanyahu over this?

    Coming on the heels of Scarlett Sodastream? – this is just too much – the clear parallels are dripping all over this

    • gingershot says:

      The numbers from the film at min 3:05 are as follows

      Water from the West Bank:
      73% to Israelis
      Apparently 10% ( if I am comprehending correctly) is going to Israeli Settlers over Green Line

      and
      17% to Palestinians

      and GAZA is a whole different kind of ‘even better PR story’ for pushing the Apartheid thru gates of ICC Hell over this

      If these numbers are correct – SCHULTZ IS CORRECT and we should move in for the k*ll on Netanyahu and Apartheid over this

    • marc b. says:

      i have to assume that Schultz has a basic grasp of the underlying facts, otherwise I can’t image he would have raised the issue. AI and others have published reports on the evolution of the policies assisting in the water grab by the Israelis, particularly since 1967. for example, the ‘security’ wall in the WB appears to have been designed, in part, to control access to water.

    • seafoid says:

      The water stats are facts. The bots know it. Apartheid starts with water. Why beit el has green lawns and Palestinian East Jerusalem is parched. The bots are hypocrites. If they believe they are superior to Palestinians they should be comfortable justifying the oppression, they should not be ashamed by their numbers.
      As for not taking constructive criticism in German they seem happy enough to accept German submarines…..

      • Walid says:

        “As for not taking constructive criticism in German they seem happy enough to accept German submarines…..”

        Schulz’ out-of-place comments just cost the Germans another sub. If that happens, Israel would have 1 more submarine in its fleet than the German navy.

        • German Lefty says:

          Schulz’ out-of-place comments just cost the Germans another sub

          Really? But Schulz spoke at the Knesset as a representative of the EU, not as a representative of Germany.

          • Woody Tanaka says:

            “Really? But Schulz spoke at the Knesset as a representative of the EU, not as a representative of Germany.”

            Do you think that racists like the israelis are going to make that distinction??

          • German Lefty says:

            @ Woody
            “Do you think that racists like the israelis are going to make that distinction?”

            No, of course not. However, the German government could use that “excuse”.

          • Walid says:

            “Really? But Schulz spoke at the Knesset as a representative of the EU, not as a representative of Germany.”

            Then what was all that chatter about feeling guilty for something that happened before he was born?

    • Henry Norr says:

      Did Martin Schulz pose his point in the form of a question in some strange (and vain) attempt to soften the blow in Israeli ears, or can it really be true that he hasn’t checked the data? In any case, someone should refer him to “Water For One People Only: Discriminatory Access and ‘Water-Apartheid’ in the Occupied Palestinian Territory,” a comprehensive and very thoroughly documented report published last April by the Palestinian human-rights organization Al Haq.

      It’s not clear what time period the Palestinian youth who supposedly posed the water question had in mind – the specific quantities he mentioned, 70 liters for Israelis and 17 liters for Palestinians, are both well below average daily consumption. But the important question is about the relative allocations of water, and the Al Haq report makes it clear that the young man was basically right about the proportions, except that the reality is even worse than his numbers suggested. From p. 51 of the Al-Haq report:

      While the World Health Organisation (WHO) recommends a minimum domestic consumption of 100 llcd, water consumption by Palestinians in the West Bank is an average of 73 llcd [liters per ,capita per day] compared to about 300 llcd for Israelis in Israel proper and 369 lpcd for Israeli settlers residing in colonies in the OPT. Therefore, the per capita consumption of water for domestic use by those residing in Israel proper is four to five times higher than the Palestinian population’s per capita domestic consumption in the OPT. More than 500,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank consume approximately six times the amount of water used by a Palestinian population of almost 2.6 million.

      (I took out the footnotes that follow each assertion in the above, but they’re mostly to UN reports, plus a couple of academic journals.)

      On the next page, p. 52, these numbers are presented in the form a nice clear, simple bar chart, but I don’t know how to put a graphic in a comment.

      • Daniel Rich says:

        @ Henry Norr,

        Q: …or can it really be true that he [Schulz] hasn’t checked the data?

        R: Schulz did it the ‘Jewish’ way, and given where he is… that surely is the smartest way.

        Example: A priest, a minister and a rabbi get caught playing an illegal poker game on an Amtrak train. In court the judge asks the priest, “Did you play poker?” The priest says, “No, sir. I did not.” The judge then asks the minister, “Minister, did you play poker on that train, yesterday?” The minister shakes his head and says, “No, your honor, I absolutely did not!” The judge then turns to the rabbi and repeats his question, “Rabbi, did you play poker on an Amtrak train, yesterday afternoon?” The rabbi looks the judge in the eye and asks, “Poker? With whom?”

        If Schulz would have given facts, he would have been nailed to the nearest cross [sorry, mu sponsor demands I throw in a biblical reference every other three or four posts] as a ‘holocaust evoking,’ ‘israel bashing,’ ‘antisemitic non semite,’ etc. He played his cards well. Very well.

        • Kathleen says:

          With you Rich…Schulz threw a curve ball and knew exactly what he was doing. They took the bait. All over the web. Not up at Huff Po (the USA Today of Blogs) yet. Of course will not make it on MS cable. But who knows maybe we can lobby Chris Hayes on MSNBC. Not Rachel or Chris Matthews etc they play it safe or are just racist about Palestinians

      • ritzl says:

        Agree again, Henry. That Al-Haq report is great. Thanks.

        That 80/17 lpd is almost certainly for household consumption only. I believe the “all [first/abstraction] uses” numbers are around the 300/73 split you mention.

        The problem with using one set of numbers to even pose a water question is that, again as you point out, it can and does lead to all sorts of obfuscation. Especially when Israeli reclamation of waste water is thrown into the argument (with the so-not-the-point misdirection corollary of “The Palestinians could do that too, but they don’t!” included as it inevitably is). It’s hard to de-circularize that “but, but, But…” dissembling without getting into an eye-glazing, charted, tech talk (which invariably leads back to the 300/73 split, but only after much audience patience).

    • heartbeatt says:

      The truth is actually much worse. But one of the experts in historical water storage and the excessive use of water today by Israelis, not to mention the redirection of water and low pressure that Palestinians have to suffer, some of whom receive no clean water at all, is a German whose talk on the subject (a fascinating 4 hours) I once had the good fortune to hear, and I shall be sending his contact and well-documented research to Martin Schulz and other members of the EU.

    • tidings says:

      I suppose they could give make up the deficit by giving every Palestine household a SodaStream.

    • gingershot says:

      Does everybody want a I/P water expert on call all for any particular water question in Palestine, or perhaps the relevant international laws regarding these issues, maps, etc, etc, and free fair use of a brilliant report thereof? – yeah!

      Voila! …

      This blew we away – scholarly, completely referenced, current(2013), and just of a very superior level of clarity and organization and ready for use and reference

      You’ve got the I/P water expert at your fingertips right here with ‘Water For One People Only: Discriminatory Access and ‘Water-Apartheid’ in the Occupied Palestinian Territory”, Elizabeth Koek
      link to alhaq.org

      (I clicked on a link to it posted by Robert Silverstein over at his Tikun Olam site.)

      This report from the Koek/Al Haq Palestinian rights organization is not only outstandingly well organized – it’s positively brilliant. It’s simply all here on a Silver Platter

      This ‘Water Apartheid Report’ has implications even for Schultz and the EU for CONTINUING TO SUPPORT the Israeli Apartheid state’s occupation of the Palestinian aquifers – just scroll right on down to Chapter 8.2. and we find;

      8.2. The Legal Consequence for Third-Party States for Israel’s Violations of International Law

      Koek and these Al Haq guys have created an outstanding resource for this entire situation with EU Pres Schultz and ‘Water Apartheid’ – they are giving out all the relevant Palestinian/Israeli water data, the already well-thought out explanation of these realities as ‘Water Apartheid’, all the relevant law, etc all on a SILVER PLATTER

      What a resource! Let’s all become water experts – or at least have crystal clear current facts – and with all this beautiful context – right at our fingertips where we can get at them

      ** BOOKMARK THIS**
      ‘Water For One People Only: Discriminatory Access and ‘Water-Apartheid’ in the Occupied Palestinian Territory”

      Take a look at Chapter 7
      Chapter 7 is entitled “Israel’s Policies and Practices Amount to ‘Water-Apartheid’

      How about Chapter 8.2. — actually relevant to Schultz’s Germany/EU for being so ‘Pro-Israel’ regarding the Apartheid regime;

      “The Legal Consequence for Third-Party States for Israel’s Violations of International Law ” —

      I have this reference regarding ‘Article 41 of the International Law Commission Draft Articles on State Responsibility’ — from the report:

      “Legal Consequences for Third-Party States

      By virtue of Israel’s breaches of peremptory norms of international law, certain obligations arise for third-party States. Article 41 of the International Law Commission Draft Articles on State Responsibility, which reflects customary international law, affirms that in the case of breaches of peremptory norms of international law, all States are under an obligation not to recognise the situation as lawful, not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the illegal situation, and to actively cooperate in order to bring it to an end.”

      ====
      I print out the whole TOC because it is so impressive – I think this is just that valuable

      Table of Contents:

      I. Glossary
      II. List of Tables and Maps
      III. List of Case Studies
      IV. Abbreviations
      V. Executive Summary

      1. Introduction
      2. Geography and Hydrology of Water Resources in the OPT
      2.1. Jordan River

      2.2. Mountain Aquifer
      2.3. Coastal Aquifer

      3. Control and Integration of the Water Resources in the OPT
      3.1. Gaining Control over Water Resources in the OPT: the Six Day War (1967)
      3.2. Integrating the Water System of the OPT into the Israeli System
      3.2.1. Military Orders in the OPT
      3.2.2. Management of the West Bank Water System pre-Oslo Accords
      3.2.3. ‘Mekorot’ – Israel’s National Water Company
      3.3. The Impact of the Oslo Accords on Water Allocation and Control
      3.3.1. Unchanged Shares
      3.3.2. Allocation of Water Supplies for “Future Needs”
      3.3.3. Joint Water Committee
      3.4. The Impact of the Annexation Wall on Water Resources in the West Bank

      4. Supply, Sale and Destruction: Current Israeli Methods to Maintain Hegemony…
      4.1. Forced Water-Dependence
      4.2. Discriminatory Allocation: “Sharing” Between Two Peoples
      4.2.1. West Bank: Minimum Amount for “Short-Term Survival”
      4.3. Water Infrastructure: Consistently at Risk
      4.3.1. Denial of Permits to Construct and Rehabilitate Water Infrastructure
      4.3.2. Confiscation and Destruction of Water Infrastructure
      4.3.3. Destruction of Humanitarian Aid
      4.3.4. Confiscation of Water Resources by Settlers

      5. Legal Analysis
      5.1. International Humanitarian Law
      5.1.1. The Responsibility of the Occupying Power
      5.1.2. The Property Protection Regime of the Hague Regulations
      5.1.2.1. Legal Considerations for Water as Private Property
      5.1.2.2. Legal Considerations for Water as Public Property
      5.1.3. Administrative Destruction of Water Infrastructure
      5.1.4. Forcible Transfer of the Palestinian Population
      5.2. Right to Self-determination & the Principle of Permanent Sovereignty over Natural Resources
      5.3. International Human Rights Law
      5.4. International Water Law

      6. The Colonial Nature of Israel’s Occupation of the OPT

      7. Israel’s Policies and Practices Amount to ‘Water-Apartheid’
      7.1. The Prohibition of Apartheid
      7.2. The Three Pillars of Israel’s ‘Water-Apartheid’
      7.2.1. The First Pillar: Demarcation of the Population Along Racial Lines
      7.2.2. The Second Pillar: Segregation into Different Geographical Areas.
      7.2.3. The Third Pillar: Use of ‘Security’ to Justify an Institutionalised Regime of Domination and Systematic Oppression

      8. Legal Consequences for Violations of International Law
      8.1. Israel’s State Responsibility for Violations of International Law
      8.2. The Legal Consequence for Third-Party States for Israel’s Violations of International Law

      9. Conclusions
      10. Recommendations
      ====

      Cowabunga!

  2. seafoid says:

    Losing it, the bots. For so long they controlled the narrative. Their 2 conflicting narratives, No truth. Now truth in the Knesset and they can’t take it.

    A bit of urdu

    Mir, these wilds of today
    Were bustling towns yesterday

    Mir Taqi Mir

    The notion that Zionism controls its own destiny is so deluded.

  3. BillM says:

    Great piece. You night also note that the second “lie” Schulz told is that Israel is blockading Gaza.

    I find this event very telling. I’ve long since come to accept that the Occupation is in fact very popular in Israel (certainly more popular than peace), which is why it continues so long and why no serious Israeli peace movement develops. But I hadn’t quiet realized the extent to which Israelis block out every sight and sound of the Occupation, and honestly convince themselves it isn’t going on.

  4. FreddyV says:

    No politician is going to stand in the Knesset and quote stats he heard from ‘a Palestinian boy’.

    This was very deliberate. Shultz knew his facts, but decided to play the ‘you tell me’ game.

    He won hands down. Nicely played Mr Shultz.

    • gingershot says:

      Immediately reminded me of Obama to Romney during the debates..

      “Please proceed, Govenor’”

      Devastating …

      ==
      CNN video of the moment:
      link to cnn.com

    • jsinton says:

      Exactly. He baited them. They lost no matter which way they turned.

      • gingershot says:

        @ jsinton
        ‘they (the Knesset) lost no matter which way they turned’

        Those poor little angels….

        Well that’s the nature of Apartheid, jsinton – it’s a dead end – thanks for unintentionally making my point

        That’s why Zionists (perhaps like you) who led Israel down this path with bells on their toes are Zionist’s real existential threat and why the IDF legal teams (documented by published Wikileaks intercepts) say that Israeli Apartheid is indefensible at the ICC, that the ICC is Israel’s ‘greatest existential threat’ (being busted over Apartheid like South Africa was) and that Israel cannot defend itself on the world stage NOT because it ‘hasn’t tried’, need more or better Hasbara, or because it got ‘suckered into it’ like you’re pretending to whine about – but because Israel AS IT EXISTS TODAY is indefensible – but then you knew that already.

        Oh no, jsinton, it’s much better than that – the IDF says Israel cannot defend itself because Israel IS Apartheid and, well, Apartheid is indefensible. Reread that a couple of times if necessary.

        They can’t defend themselves not because the Knesset was suckered – they can’t defend themselves because they are actively committing warcrimes.

        Got that? – that’s YOUR side’s best estimate of the disaster which awaits Israel at the ICC. Wikileaks transcripts show the IDF as saying the only way to stop the debacle at the ICC is to prevent Palestine from EVER getting to the ICC

        Nearly a moot point now…

        Tell me, in retrospect, would you again recommend Israel follow such a dead-ender strategy for other than the obvious reasons, those being that without the Israeli Occupation of Palestine and Apartheid, Israel as we know it will cease to exist?

        The De-Apartheidization of Israel is a good thing, a very good thing … Apartheid ceasing to exist is a GOOD THING – whatever Israel does or does not decide to do about it is now out of the hands of Israel

        Apartheid has no more ‘right to exist’ than any other ethnic cleansing has a ‘right to exist’

        If Israel can’t exist without the Apartheid – better get cracking on forming an Israeli democracy.

        If Israel and her Settlers can’t love or tolerate an Israel without Apartheid – I question whether they are really any kind of friend of Israel at all. I think a better term for you and the Zionists are that you are nothing other than your own worst enemies.

    • marc b. says:

      you can just see the contempt welling up in Schultz as he sits there amongst the lunatics.

  5. American says:

    NOTE—where the article says “shared water resources” refers to the aquifilter on Palestine property in the occupied West Bank. As typical of Israel they ‘occupied’ the water like they do everything else.

    Israelis get four-fifths of scarce West Bank water, says World Bank
    Palestinians losing out in access to vital shared aquifer in the occupied territories
    Rory McCarthy in Jerusalem
    theguardian.com, Wednesday 27 May 2009 13.05 EDT

    A deepening drought in the Middle East is aggravating a dispute over water resources after the World Bank found that Israel is taking four times as much water as the Palestinians from a vital shared aquifer.

    The region faces a fifth consecutive year of drought this summer, but the World Bank report found huge disparities in water use between Israelis and Palestinians, although both share the mountain aquifer that runs the length of the occupied West Bank. Palestinians have access to only a fifth of the water supply, while Israel, which controls the area, takes the rest, the bank said.

    Israelis use 240 cubic metres of water a person each year, against 75 cubic metres for West Bank Palestinians and 125 for Gazans, the bank said. Increasingly, West Bank Palestinians must rely on water bought from the Israeli national water company, Mekorot.

    In some areas of the West Bank, Palestinians are surviving on as little as 10 to 15 litres a person each day, which is at or below humanitarian disaster response levels recommended to avoid epidemics. In Gaza, where Palestinians rely on an aquifer that has become increasingly saline and polluted, the situation is worse. Only 5%-10% of the available water is clean enough to drink.

    The World Bank report, published last month, provoked sharp criticism from Israel, which disputed the figures and the scale of the problem on the Palestinian side. But others have welcomed the study and its findings.

    Gidon Bromberg, the Israeli head of Friends of the Earth Middle East, said there was a clear failure to meet basic water needs for both Israelis and Palestinians, and that Israelis were taking “the lion’s share”.

    “The bottom line is there is a severe water crisis out there, predominantly on the Palestinian side, and it will be felt even worse this coming summer,” Bromberg said at a conference on the issue in Jerusalem.

    He said the Joint Water Committee, established in 1995 with Israelis and Palestinians as an interim measure under the Oslo peace accords, had failed to produce results and needed reform.

    The World Bank report said the hopes that the Oslo accords might bring water resources for a viable Palestinian state and improve the life of Palestinians had “only very partially been realised”.

    It said failings in water resource and management and chronic underinvestment were to blame. In Gaza, the continued Israeli economic blockade played a key role in preventing maintenance and construction of sewage and water projects. In the West Bank, Israeli military controls over the Palestinians were a factor, with Palestinians still waiting for approval on 143 water projects.

    “We consider that the efficiency of our aid in the current situation is compromised,” said Pier Mantovani, a Middle East water specialist for the World Bank, which is an important source of aid for the Palestinians.

    Most went on short-term emergency projects with limited long-term strategic value. It was a “piecemeal, ad hoc” approach, he said.

    Yossi Dreisen, a former official and now adviser at the Israeli water authority, disputed the Bank’s findings and said many remarks in the report were “not correct”. He produced figures suggesting Israeli water consumption per person had fallen since 1967, when Israel captured and occupied the West Bank, while Palestinian consumption had risen.

    Israel argues that the water problem should be solved by finding new sources, through desalination and water treatment.

    “There is not enough water in this area,” said Dreisen. “Something must be done. The solution where one is giving water to the other is not acceptable to us.”

    However, Fuad Bateh, an adviser to the Palestinian water authority, said Israel continued to have obligations under international law as the occupying power and should allow Palestinians water resources through an “equitable and reasonable allocation in accordance with international law”.

    He accepted that there was a lack of institutional development and capacity on the Palestinian side, but he said the Palestinians were caught in an unequal, asymmetric dispute. Palestinians had not been allowed to develop any new production wells in the West Bank since the 1967 war.

    “Palestinians have no say in the Israeli development of these shared, trans-boundary, water resources,” he said. “It is a situation in which Israel has a de facto veto over Palestinian water development.”

    Been reported for years and years and years and years…

    Report of Restrictions on Palestinian Water … – World Bankweb.worldbank.org › … › News & Events‎Cached
    SimilarWorld BankLoading…Jerusalem, April 20, 2009 — The World Bank published a report today entitled Assessment of Restrictions on Palestinian Water Sector Development. The report …Assessment of restrictions on Palestinian water sector developmentdocuments.worldbank.org/…/west-bank-gaza-assessment-restrictions-pale…‎Cached
    SimilarApr 1, 2009 – The World Bank … Documents & Reports … and create awareness of the factors restricting Palestinian water sector development as well as of …Israel stifles Palestinian growth, says World Bank – Middle East …www.independent.co.uk › … › World › Middle East‎CachedThe IndependentLoading…Oct 8, 2013 – The report added that Palestinian agriculture is stymied by Israeli restrictions on accessing land and on water use and would undergo a major …World Report 2013: Israel/Palestine | Human Rights Watchwww.hrw.org/world-report/2013/…/israel-palesti…‎Cached
    SimilarHuman Rights WatchLoading…… against Palestinians close to Israel’s border with Gaza deprived them of access to 35 percent of Gaza’s farmland and 85 percent of its fishing waters. As part of …Palestine: World Bank reports assesses restrictions on water …washmena.wordpress.com/…/palestine-world-bank-reports-assesses-restri…‎Cached
    SimilarApr 22, 2009 – A World Bank report blames Palestinian mismanagement and Israeli restrictions for severe water shortages in Palestinian areas. Palestinians …Restrictions on Palestinian Water Sector Development – World Bank …unispal.un.org/…/DDCB9FC89A11D8108525759E005…‎Cached
    SimilarUnited NationsLoading…Apr 20, 2009 – Report No. 47657-GZ WEST BANK AND GAZA ASSESSMENT OF RESTRICTIONS ON PALESTINIAN WATER SECTOR DEVELOPMENT

    • ritzl says:

      Thanks, American.

    • american, here’s a fun fact from the wiki link embed in the article above.

      Effects of the occupation of the West Bank[edit]
      In the West Bank Israeli settlers access water from 42 deep holes which provide them with enough water to fill swimming pools, water their gardens, and irrigate miles of crops and greenhouses. This also lowers the water table making it more difficult for Palestinians to access their own water. The Palestinians live under Israeli military rule, and, due to concerns about terrorist activities (such as hardened bunkers and tunnels), are largely prevented from digging such deep wells. This limits their access to water to natural springs, shallow wells, and swiftly evaporating rainwater. When Palestinians run out of water sources they must buy Israeli water which sells for a dollar a cubic meter.[13]

      the source? national geographic: link to ngm.nationalgeographic.com

      • American says:

        @annie

        Didnt notice ..Thanks…..I think…..every time I think about the cruelty of this my risk of head exploding goes up.

        • i had a lot more to say but i didn’t want it to become too long winded.

          one of the things i cut was how it reminded me of Israel cages Palestinian children in outdoor holding pens during freezing storm link to mondoweiss.net

          because of this:

          Shockingly, the Jerusalem Post reported members of the committee claimed they “lacked data…about the frequency and scope of those practices it objected to such as midnight arrests.”

          with all those reports..how could they “lack data” on the abduction of children out of their homes in the middle of the night? it’s mind boggling. there comes a point where the only explanation is willful ignorance.

          they have a 99% conviction rate in the military occupation court system. i suppose it never occurred to them they are ever torturing and locking away completely innocent kids.

          • RoHa says:

            Repeating my comment on another thread:

            The ABC and The Australian take up the issue of the IDF arresting Palestinian children.

            link to abc.net.au

            I am astonished to see a Murdoch publication doing this.

          • Sumud says:

            Roha ~ Share your astonishment that The Australian had anything to do with this, they’re normally so ignorantly bigoted when it comes to I/P.

            Wonder what this means, if anything?

            Short interview with The Australian editor and [Jerusalem correspondent] John Lyons here:

            Push for Israeli and Palestinian children to face one law

            Lyons says he went to Jerusalem with “the eyes of an Australian” – which appears to mean he had his ‘bullshit detector’ turned on.

            Seems like The Australian are going a step beyond and seeking to promote the issue.

            It’s about time!

          • seafoid says:

            I think that’s the hebrew problem. Stuff that makes perfect sense in Hebrew is impossible to translate satisfactorily to English.

      • SQ Debris says:

        The destruction of Palestinian cisterns is a particularly twisted occupation policy. Even the rain is off limits.

  6. adele says:

    The dynamics in a nutshell:

    Please sir, can I have some more:

    • just says:

      good one, adele! I often use it myself……..

      Yay for Martin Schultz! Such snivelers to ‘walk out’ when the truth is spoken in, gasp, German!

      Why do I get the feeling that more than Schultz in the EU Parliament is fed up with apartheid & thieving Israel?

  7. HarryLaw says:

    A recent study by the Israeli Human Rights group Bt’selem in the Jordan valley found that the Israeli’s had taken control of 77.5% of this area and prevented Palestinians from using the land or remaining there. Israel has taken control of most of the water resources in the area and has earmarked them for the exclusive use of the settlers (9,400 in 37 settlements and 7 outposts). The water allocated to the settlers in this area has enabled them to develop intensive farming methods and to work the land all year round, with most of the produce being exported. The water allocated to these settlers is almost one-third the quantity of water that is accessible to the 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank, water consumption in Bedouin communities for instance is equivalent to the quantity that the UN has set as the minimal needed to survive in humanitarian disaster areas (B’tselem report. Dispossession and exploitation: – Israel’s policy in the Jordan Valley and Northern Dead sea. May 2011).
    Under International Law water is a state owned immovable natural resource sometimes more precious than oil in this area. UN assembly resolution December 22nd 2009 states that the Israeli occupying power, not to exploit, to cause loss and depletion of or endanger the natural resources of the OPT, including East Jerusalem and the occupied Syrian Golan Heights

  8. seafoid says:

    Incitement against jews. That would be YESHA.

  9. What the heck does EU do in Israel at all?

    • kalithea says:

      FYI:

      According to the EU Commission the EU is Israel’s second largest market for exports (26.1% of the export market), behind United States. Total trade with Israel amounts to approx. €29 billion that’s U.S. 1.36 billion for every 1 billion €.

      The EU should stop trading with this INGRATE and sink their Apartheid economy.

      • hmm..i read today it was EU38% of israel’s export kalithea.

        [edit] here it is: link to blogs.wsj.com

        Israel said this week that it has been accepted as an observer in the Latin American free trade bloc, the Pacific Alliance – a move that’s part of a larger push in Israel to develop its trade ties with the Far East as well.

        In a celebratory statement, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the move would diversify Israel’s commercial relations: Latin America accounted for 6% of Israeli exports in 2012. The prime minister also plans to visit alliance members Mexico and Columbia in the coming months to promote ties.
        ……
        Part of the push for diversification stems from a concern about an overdependence on trade with Europe – the destination for 38% of Israel’s exports in 2012. The recent economic turmoil in the European Union was a prime driver in an overall drop in exports in that year, according to the Israel Export Institute.

        • kalithea says:

          The figures I mentioned were for 2011. So the percentage you quoted is probably correct though it saddens me that the EU is stupid enough to increase its imports from a so-called democracy that continues to violate International Law and human rights.

  10. I wonder why you ignore other important statements of Schultz today in the Knesset and in his meeting with President Peres:

    “the EU has no intention to boycott Israel. I am of the conviction that what we need is more cooperation, not division.”

    “I bear the same responsibility as every other German for the mass murder perpetrated in the name of my nation. In the name of my nation, the Jewish people were forced to endure suffering for which no reparation can ever be made. I bow down before the memory of all those who were murdered.”

    “Acting responsibly means, for us, openly acknowledging Israel’s right to exist and the right of the Jewish people to live in security and peace. The European Union will always stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel.”

    “Today, Israel is a robust democracy, a vibrant, open society with all the conflicts that implies, and a modern economy.”

    “Israel has built a society founded on the values of freedom, democracy and the rule of law. Israel and the European Union share these values. They are the ties which hold our partnership, our friendship, together.”

    “We condemn the rocket attacks on innocent people in the strongest possible terms. Terrorist attacks are crimes for which there is no justification.”

    “We know that the Israeli people want peace. Courageous men such as Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres held out the hand of peace and signed agreements in Madrid and Oslo.’

    “On the Palestinian side as well, courageous men and women are working for peace.”

    “The Palestinian people, like the Israeli people, have the right to fulfil their dream of creating their own viable democratic state. The Palestinians, just like the Israelis, have the right to self-determination and justice.”

    “I firmly believe that a negotiated settlement, the outcome of which is an Israeli State and a Palestinian State living side by side in peace, is realistic.”

    “The Israeli-European research community is already into its third generation and its members are forging ever closer links. Israel’s formal involvement in the EU’s Horizon 2020 programme, which will start soon, will take our cooperation to a new level.”

    Full text of Martin Schulz’s speech at the Knesset:
    link to ejpress.org

    • really? you wonder? do you also wonder why every other news organization covering the story had similar headlines regarding what happened today or just our coverage?

      • @Annie:

        I am really very sorry that I spoil your nice stories from time to time. Nothing won’t help: although the show that several moron MK’s gave you, most of the speech was pro-Israeli that many Israelis are surprised.

        • most of the speech was pro-Israeli

          yes i am well aware of that mehane because i retweeted the EU prez’s tweet (@MartinSchulz) w/the whole transcript many hours ago after i read it link to twitter.com

          many Israelis are surprised.

          why? what foreign world leader addresses the knesset with a non nice speech? this is what world leaders do and it is entirely predicable, as predictable as israeli’s taking them to Yad Vashem.

          I am really very sorry that I spoil your nice stories from time to time.

          no need for apologies, you spoiled nothing for me. we’re getting slammed with traffic. but tell me mehane, i am curious why you didn’t answer my question. maybe you forgot in all your effort to feign a sincere apology to me and it just slipped your mind. so i will ask you again:

          do you also wonder why every other news organization covering the story had similar headlines regarding what happened today or just our coverage?

        • Daniel Rich says:

          @ MahaneYehude1

          When Schulz gets 27 standing ovations when he’s addressing the Knesset, that’s the time ‘you’ should get worried.

      • amigo says:

        Annie, bit of satire from Ami Kaufman at 972

        “Apparently, Mr. Bennett can’t bear to hear facts, let alone in the German language. But to make sure, I met with the minister in the Knesset for a quick interview to check this thesis, with the help of Google Translate. The following is the transcript of our (imaginary) meeting:

        Ami Kaufman: Mr. Bennet, thank you for taking the time to meet me.

        Naftali Bennett: I’m not meeting you, you just barged into my office. Get the fuck out of here, you self hating Jew.

        AK: I will, if I can just quickly ask you a few questions, I’ll—

        NB: —Security!! There’s a leftist in my office!

        AK: OK, OK, I’m going. I just want your response to this: “Die Welt ist rund”.

        NB: Take that back. Take that back right away.

        AK: “Zwei plus zwei gleich vier”.

        NB: Security will be here any second, you better apologize for that one. Now!

        AK: “Wasser gefriert bei null Grad Celsius”.

        NB: Lies! Lies, I tell you!

        AK: “Israel praktiziert Apartheid in der Westbank”.

        NB: Get over here you—

        AK: —Achhh… ugggg… you’re choking me… accchhhh…Mr. Bennet…

    • just says:

      uh, uh, perhaps because the very public puerile behavior, angry denial of the truth, and extreme rudeness by some of your “leaders” is what is so very stunning.

      (not surprising at all, though!)

    • adele says:

      Oh dear, oh dear. Mahane,
      you don’t even know when you are being played. Apart from trying to instill some humanity in you do we have to teach you to read between the lines too?

      The President of the EU Parliament is doing the diplomatic dance, every politician does this, but only one who has majority backing of the decision-makers in the EU would slyly insert this ever-so-innocent question:

      “A Palestinian youth asked me why an Israeli can use 70 cubic liters of water and a Palestinian just 17,” he said. “I haven’t checked the data. I’m asking you if this is correct.”

      Do you honestly think that Schultz is a novice who is earnestly seeking answers from legislators that endorse apartheid policies? Schultz knows what is what. It was purely his/the EU’s way of letting the racist loonies in the Knesset know that the gig is up, patience is wearing thin.

      Since the Palestinian-oppressors are not used to being challenged, only fawned over and adored, I am not surprised to see the apoplexic reactions to Schultz.

      Bonus Tip for you Mahane: Learning to read a room is an essential skill in interpersonal relations.

      • @Adele:

        Thank you very much for the lesson. Now I understand why I love MW: The only place that I can learn and be educated. Your bonus tip for me is priceless and I am going to use it in the future. I hope that other readers and writers here in MW will also use your tip.

        Knowing the EU position, no one is surprised that Schultz spoke in favor of the Palestinians like the water issue, but don’t ignore the fact that most of the speech was pro-Israeli, which I personally and many Israelis, very surprised. Statements like “We condemn the rocket attacks on innocent people” or “The EU has no intention to boycott Israel”, are not “polite statements”.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          ““We condemn the rocket attacks on innocent people””

          What innocent people are they? The children, of course. But are people who are living in stolen Palestinian homes and living on stolen Palestinian land, who repeatedly vote for governments who relentlessly attack Palestinians, murdering and oppressing them in a open air prison “innocent” simply because they’re not wearing uniforms of the israeli terror forces???

        • amigo says:

          “but don’t ignore the fact that most of the speech was pro-Israeli, which I personally and many Israelis, very surprised. Statements like “We condemn the rocket attacks on innocent people” or “The EU has no intention to boycott Israel”, are not “polite statements”.”mehane clan

          Listen, you vacuous numb skull , when a foreign diplomat asks Israel,s leaders a question he /she knows will not be liked and will probably incur howls of anti semitism and pogroms and blood libel and Jew hatred , it is necessary to massage their (zios) oh so sensitive egos by patting them on the back and telling them what beautiful kind , generous ,pious, moral, creative,forgiving and all around angels they are.

          Trouble with that is they forget the question they were asked.

          mehane,s response is all the proof we need .

    • Walid says:

      ““The EU has no intention to boycott Israel. I am of the conviction that what we need is more cooperation, not division.” (Schulz)

      How does that blend in with EU’s policy on settlement goods, banking, and so on?

      • i think they have a labeling policy, not a boycott policy. wrt banking, i am not sure if it’s an EU boycott. i merely think individual banks are opting out.

        and not giving a grant is not the same as boycotting, per se.

        • @Annie:

          Walid: “How does that…” , Annie: “I think they have…”

          You see, Annie, after all my comment did the job.

          • what job are you talking about mehane? the story i wrote had a specific focus, the focus of israel’s apartheid system wrt palestinians who do not even have 24/7 water. it brought attention to that, Martin Schulz brought attention to that for which i am grateful. there was nothing else surprising for me about his visit, but then i didn’t even know he was visiting there until i read about his speech, which btw, didn’t even mention the other parts of the speech.

            so what ‘job’ did you do? btw, it might interest you to know there will be another aipac conference coming up where lots of political people will make fabulous speeches just like that. you can probably watch it on livestream.

            but it was what he said about the water that was so unusual for a politician. like what kerry did when he said boycott.

      • piotr says:

        According to a commentary in Times of Israel, Schultz was a runner up for the Annual Award for The Most Sycophantic Pro-Israel Speech, almost burying Prime Minister Halper, but for one sentence. Then the happy occasion was marred by idiot Bennet and his ilk.

        Schultz probably wanted to avoid being panned back home for ignoring problems that are well publicized in Europe. News flash:

        Jerusalem, Sochi. Brilliant acrobatics lead to the loss of pants. Free style skiing and a yet more challenging endavour, giving speach to Knesset, the grumpiest body of Solons that ever trod this Earth.

    • a blah chick says:

      Wow, and after all that they STILL walked out?

      I’ve seen three year olds with more self control.

      • @a blah chick:

        I’ve seen three year olds with more self control.

        I agree with you. The show that several MK’s gave to Schulz and to the press was a moronic act that diverted the attention from the rest of Max Schulz’s speech that was pro-Israeli. I can only be sorry for that.

      • @Annie:

        As a writer you know the meaning “a man bites a dog – news”, so I can understand why journalists emphasis on the silly show of several MKs in the Knesset yesterday, that diverted the attention of Schulz’s speech. I agree with you that Schulz speech drew attention to the “water problem” and now there are several articles in Israeli press with the real data (for instance “Israel expanded the water supply to the PA by more than 50%”). My sources are in Hebrew and I can’t find English translation. If no English translation will be provided, I will send my translation. In addition, Schulz himself responded this morning to the MK’s moronic show and said “My speech was pro-Israeli, and I very surprised from the response to it”.

        Here is the article about the “water problem” (Hebrew):
        link to nrg.co.il

        • Shmuel says:

          Here is the article about the “water problem” (Hebrew)

          And here’s another one (part of a series, actually) that gets behind all the crocodile tears (English):
          link to haaretz.com

          And for greater detail:
          link to btselem.org

          • tree says:

            Here’s the title of the Haaretz article that Shmuel linked to for those with no Haaretz access, but yahoo.com access:

            “Two pipes for two peoples: The politics of water in the West Bank”

            Catchy title. Subheading:”In a new series, Haaretz explores the inequitable distribution of drinking water in the West Bank, where supply for the Palestinian falls far short of that of their settler neighbors as well as the standard set out by the WHO.” Written by Amira Hass.

          • shmuel and mehane, b’tselem issued a press release this morning “Undeniable discrimination in the amount of water allocated to Israelis and Palestinians”

            link to btselem.org

          • Shmuel says:

            shmuel and mehane, b’tselem issued a press release this morning “Undeniable discrimination in the amount of water allocated to Israelis and Palestinians

            Netanyahu never denied the discrimination. He just said it wasn’t nearly as bad as Schulz had implied, and feigned outrage at the water libel.

            The Bayit Hayehudi crowd were just looking for an excuse “to stand up for Jewish honour” (as Orit Struk and others put it) against “the German”, representing that hostile, anti-Semitic entity, the EU.

            And Mahane is only here to defend Israel’s image anyway. I wouldn’t take him too seriously.

        • Shmuel says:

          Here is the article about the “water problem” (Hebrew):
          link to nrg.co.il

          A brilliant piece of investigative journalism stenography for the Israeli Water Authority and Civil Admnistration/Judea and Samaria Water Authority, that doesn’t miss a talking point (Israel improved Palestinian standard of living, Palestinians are the ones stealing water, etc.). The only Palestinian figure cited (and just a figure) relates, for some reason, only to Palestinian “urban water consumption”.

          • @shmuel:

            And Mahane, by his own admission, is only here to defend Israel’s image anyway.

            Too bad, Shmuel. Why don’t you care about MW image that chose very selective paragraphs from Schulz speech? Can I know your opinion about the Schulz speech (all the speech, not only the water issue that caused all of you jumped like the Habayit Hayehudi MK’s)?

            by his own admission

            Sorry, I am not here to defend “Israel image” but to tell the truth that most of you ignore or distort.

            I wouldn’t take him too seriously.

            Thanks for your honesty, Shmuel, and Shabat Shalom.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          ” now there are several articles in Israeli press with the real data (for instance “Israel expanded the water supply to the PA by more than 50%”).”

          zio, unless there is a per-person equality between Jews and Palestinians in Occupied Palestine (both pre-’67 and post-’67), then the articles you speak of are still propaganda trying to hide typical israeli perfidy and Apartheid.

    • ritzl says:

      I wonder why you ignore the fact that/why MKs walked out on the sentiments in your list.

    • gamal says:

      the inability to decipher the meanings of diplomatic speak is not just a failing peculiar to you, once Nixon, after a meeting with the then Japanese premier turned with satisfaction to his translator and remarked “he agreed to all we asked with out argument or prevarication” “No Mr. President, he rejected every proposal in a manner that preserves everyones “face” ” replied the nervous underling.

      “Israel has built a society founded on the values of freedom, democracy and the rule of law. Israel and the European Union share these values.” you are all so cool, but “They are the ties which hold our partnership, our friendship, together.” In diplomatese thats a threat, if you openly and constantly violate said “Law”.

      I am not surprised the MK’s walked out, they certainly understood the import of that Michael Corleone “I know it was you Fredo” kiss on lips, especially since its their asses that are used to receiving German kisses. Germany and the UK are jostling as America and new bestest buddy France jointly conqueror Africa averting the threat of Chinese trade and regional development. Israeli command of diplomacy is notoriously poor.

      • seafoid says:

        They throw their toys out of the pram because not even Bibi the thug in chief has an answer to the questions. Breakdown is hard. Who is going to tell the people?

    • Sumud says:

      “the EU has no intention to boycott Israel. “

      For now.

      We can see the growth trend over the last 9 years of BDS. The EU has already dipped it’s feet in the water with the settlement-only boycott.

      We can’t know at this point what the EU will do in the future – just observe trends, and extrapolate.

    • seafoid says:

      Why do you bother, mahanes? Parliamentary walkouts are always rubbernecked. People are fascinated by disorder, panic and ineptitude. It is like passing a highway crash.
      As for the rest of the speech being great, the driving was perfect until the crash.

      • @seafoid:

        WAs for the rest of the speech being great, the driving was perfect until the crash.

        Nonsense!!! For the last two months MW celebrated the “Scarlet Johansson Festival” by tens of posts and hundreds, if not thousands, comments only for her silly ad supports SodaStream. But when the president of the EU stands in front of the Israeli parliament and says “the EU has no intention to boycott Israel”, we can “hear the silence” by MW. I wonder how MW would response, or would celebrate, if Schulz would say “the EU has intention to boycott Israel”. You, seafoid, as a man (or woman?) that know how to play with words, are invited to find the best phrase to such phenomena.

        • mehane, you seem determined to complain and distract about the focus here. it is occurring to me, that you don’t really care if palestinians have water or not since you keep wanting to change the subject.

          a couple questions for you.

          did you watch the whole video?

          are you aware the many palestinians have their water access turned off and there is no discernable schedule when it might be available?

          does this concern you?

          how important would you rate water in your life on a scale from 1 to 10?

          if water was rationed, in your life, in such a way that you could not plan on when you could wash your clothes or take a shower (with wait times only being days not weeks or months), if your availabity was randomly intermittent , on a scale from 1 to 10 how annoying might you find that? 10 being high annoyance.

          i urge you to open the link in the article embedded in ” filmed and directed by Mohammad al-Azza. ” and read the whole thing. in particular open the embeds bolded in this section:

          (7:36) “Uncle, the water has come!” And the action begins; percussion instruments accompany the man chasing time down a well trodden path for the water in the brief opportunity he has to collect it. This is art demonstrating how even Palestinian thirst is manipulated in the cruel “philosophy of ‘maintained uncertainty’”– Palestinian endurance as a way of life under an occupation dominating every aspect of their lives thru permanent temporariness.

          then tell me, on a scale from 1 to 10, how much you care. thanks.

          • @Annie;

            No, I am sorry, I am not determined to change any subject. Here in MW, you bring every day stories about the IP conflict and usually analyze any sentence or word that was said. I was surprised to see your post emphasizes on the water issue and the MK’s show, but totally ignores very important statements of one of the key figures in EU politic. About your questions, I already wrote here tens of times that I against the Israeli control over OPT and I support independent Palestine with full control over the resources including the water. If you were honest enough to write about all Schulz speech issues, be sure that I would response to any issue you choose even the water problem. You know me and you read many times my condemnations to several Israeli policies. I am not committed to Israeli policy, as Shmuel thinks, and have no problem to admit and condemn bad actions. I hope you do the same and stop with your bias. It is not late, Annie. if scarlett deserves tens of post, Schulz deserves at least one good post in MW.

          • Shmuel says:

            mehane, you seem determined to complain and distract about the focus here. it is occurring to me, that you don’t really care if palestinians have water or not since you keep wanting to change the subject. … then tell me, on a scale from 1 to 10, how much you care. thanks.

            If they had only accepted the partition plan, they would have had plenty of water, and when there is peace, they will have as much as they want, so why should Mahane care? You’re forgetting who the “main victims” (Mahane’s term) here are, annie.

          • Woody Tanaka says:

            MY1:

            “I already wrote here tens of times that I against the Israeli control over OPT and I support independent Palestine with full control over the resources including the water.”

            I don’t see where this is good enough. In light of the continuing moving goal-post that the zionist government always insists on, I think you need to not only concede that all of the land is, in fact, Palestine, but that the Palestinians have a right to live anywhere in Palestine.

          • It is not late, Annie. if scarlett deserves tens of post, Schulz deserves at least one good post in MW.

            mehane, schulz definitely got one good post from me. and since this is a real opportunity to expose the inequities in the apartheid system wrt water distribution, i very much hope it results in a torrent of posts from all over the place. i can almost guarantee you we will have more water posts up in the near future. but what scarlett did for sodaStream and the boycott, hopefully schulz can do for exposing these inequities.

            I hope you do the same and stop with your bias. It is not late, Annie.

            earth to mehane, let me make this perfectly clear to you if it’s not already. the day i end my bias is the day palestine is free. so i agree with you in that sense, it’s not too late. but between now and that time when there’s equality in the land..i will remain biased.

            it’s not my job to do yours. go lecture standwithus or some rightwg org to end their bias, if you’re so gungho on no bias, you’re wasting your time with me. there’s no balance here between the oppressed and the oppressor and in that regard, it does a disservice to treat them equally, even immoral.

          • thanks shmuel, i think mehane is accomplishing his goals to divert the conversation and clog up the thread with inanities. we could all discuss how wonderfully pandering howard’s speech was too.

        • eljay says:

          >> For the last two months MW celebrated the “Scarlet Johansson Festival” by tens of posts and hundreds, if not thousands, comments only for her silly ad supports SodaStream. But when the president of the EU stands in front of the Israeli parliament and says “the EU has no intention to boycott Israel”, we can “hear the silence” by MW.

          Let me break the silence, Potato-man: I am disappointed that the president of the E.U. has declined to support a boycott of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state.

          His declaration serves to encourage the hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists like you who run the “Jewish State”; who continue to steal, occupy and colonize Palestinian land; who refuse to permit non-Jewish refugees to return to their homes and lands; and/or who place Jewish supremacism above justice, morality and equality.

          • @Shmuel:

            If they had only accepted the partition plan, they would have had plenty of water, and when there is peace, they will have as much as they want, so why should Mahane care? You’re forgetting who the “main victims” (Mahane’s term) here are, annie.

            Shmuel, did you decide to Mistalbet on me?

          • Shmuel says:

            Shmuel, did you decide to Mistalbet on me?

            Stalbet? What ever gave you that idea?

          • …and clog up the thread with inanities

            Thanks for the compliment, Annie.

          • G. Seauton says:

            Reply to Annie, who said, “thanks shmuel, i think mehane is accomplishing his goals to divert the conversation and clog up the thread with inanities.”

            The real question is why you bother to engage endlessly with such trolls. I understand that a certain amount of debate with one’s intellectual opponents is worthwhile, but honestly, when there is such bad faith, why waste your time?

            Or maybe I should say, bravo! for taking on the task of providing objections to the incessant propaganda from these people. Still, I can’t help but see it as a diversion.

    • Ecru says:

      @ MY1

      “…I bear the same responsibility as every other German for the mass murder perpetrated in the name of my nation…”

      Or ABSOLUTELY ZERO unless he was alive and active in the Nazi party at the time. This whole “Germans are genetically culpable for the Holocaust” thing is just another version of “the Jews killed Jesus” bollocks. And yet whilst you have BIG problems with the latter you approve of the former.

  11. a blah chick says:

    The Knesset bozos are laughable with their “you offend me, suh!” phony outrage. Sorry, but white Southerners do this schtick much better. By the by, did any of them offer the “true” statistics or just hot air?

    This was my favorite part:
    “Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On said she objected to the damage done to the Knesset as an institution.”

    Oh, honey, really? What respectability that institution has left you could put into a thimble and still have room for coffee.

    • adele says:

      This gave me a good laugh. Thanks for that!

      Oh, honey, really? What respectability that institution has left you could put into a thimble and still have room for coffee.

    • blah chick, i think Gal-On was saying the walkout damaged the knesset.

      MK Itzik Shmuli of Labor has filed a complaint to the Knesset’s ethics committee, saying the walkout was “in contempt of the Knesset.”Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On said she objected to the damage done to the Knesset as an institution.

      and there’s this: Dovish MKs defend EU’s Schulz, bash right-wing walkout | The Times of Israel – Opposition leader Isaac Herzog calls Jewish Home’s protest ‘shameful and scandalous’

      link to timesofisrael.com

      and this is classic:

      Yogev said that today Palestinians received the same amount of water as Israel and that Israel is actually “taking care” of Gazans, providing them with food and cement “that is being used against” Israel.

      how do they use cement against israel?

      “His support for Palestinians who incite for the destruction of Israel, from the Knesset podium, 70 years after the Holocaust, is a chutzpah without parallel,” Yogev said, referring to Schultz.”

      this must have flipped them out:

      “The blockade of the Gaza Strip is your reaction to attacks on the civilian population. But it also does not allow real development and drives people to despair, which in turn is used by extremists,” Schulz said. “Perhaps the blockade creates not more, but less, security.”

      what a novel idea!

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “This was my favorite part: ‘Meretz leader Zahava Gal-On said she objected to the damage done to the Knesset as an institution.’”

      LMAO. It’s like worrying about the “damage” to the honor of a whorehouse brought on by a raid by the local sheriff.

  12. ivri says:

    As a matter of fact the water issue or this incident itself is not the main thing. This has been for some time ago an-explosion-waiting-to-happen and the only question was what exactly will be the trigger and when. The first salvo was already with the Horizon 2020 cooperation agreement and there surely will be more incidents. Yet another Europe vs. Jews round is in the offing and how it will play out will surely provide a lot of juicy stuff for this site too. If History is a guide then the Jewish side will suffer serious damages but survive it while the European side will end up regretting the whole affair. Follow the drama as it unfolds….

    • tree says:

      Yet another Europe vs. Jews round…

      So Israel equals Jews in your head? That’s very anti-semitic of you.

    • Ecru says:

      If History is a guide then the Jewish side will suffer serious damages but survive it while the European side will end up regretting the whole affair.

      Which history are you using as a guide here? Because apart from the Holocaust (that wasn’t all about Jews anyway) I can’t really see much of the horrible things Europe did to Jews that its ever had to worry about. How did “Europe” suffer from the York pogrom? How did “Europe” suffer from the Prague ghetto? Please, elucidate.

  13. Scott says:

    I wonder if this is going to be widely covered in Germany. (I know there are German readers here.) I can understand Germany’s extreme reluctance to criticize Israel, but it’s been bit by bit nudging towards a more normal European position. This should be a big nudge.

    • LeaNder says:

      It obviously is covered. It made the main news today.

      Here is a Google translation of the report from the First and Second public channel. You won’t understand the news feature anyway. Or do you?

      I won’t check the translation. This is funny:

      Prime Minister Netanyahu threw Schulz before a “selective perception” of the Middle East conflict.

      meaning: Prime Minister Netanyahu accused Schulz of “selective perception” of the Middle East conflict.

    • heartbeatt says:

      They are portraying it as, Martin Schulz insults Israel….fortunately most comments say he is right. Germans are not all as heartless, nor as stupid as their politicians who play ‘we are the guardians of Israel no matter how brutal the occupation’. They don’t speak out for fear of being branded as antisemitic forever.

    • thanks LeaNder

      scott, the german news source i used in the article is the top one on google meaning it’s getting the most traffic. so i would imagine it’s definitely getting plenty of coverage in germany.

      it wouldn’t have if bennet’s party hadn’t throw a fit and walked out. it would have gone unmentioned. i posit they may have been perched to throw a hissy fit because they are miffed at the EU right now anyway.

    • American says:

      ”I can understand Germany’s extreme reluctance to criticize Israel, but it’s been bit by bit nudging towards a more normal European position”…Scott

      Yea well, someone should contact Mertz and remind her what happened the last time a German government supported a bunch of nazis. ..ask her why Germany is doing it again.

      • LeaNder says:

        American: That’s supposed to be Merkel, I guess? We once had a CDU member called Friedrich Merz, but he decided that there is more money to be made with laws. But I doubt you know him. Besides: I am not even sure if Merkel would contradict or reproach him.

        One has to keep in mind that we will have elections for the European parliament soon. Some will argue it may have been only about getting into the news.

        Thus when our dear Krauss tells us somewhere else, he does not like Schulz, or at least is hesitant about him, he will find people that feel what he said was populist over here too. I do not share that opinion though.

        Concerning MY1′s comment above. I slightly agree, maybe one should have mentioned this in our context, according to Schulz there will be no European boycott. On the other hand, repetitions, constant patterns, the always same, tends to be much less news worthy.

        No support from the EU for boycott. Obviously no other position is possible: That’s why I supported Norman Finkelstein in this context, since I felt already then that the not clearly defined aims could be misused as propaganda. Which is happening now. We cannot ever know what would the decision would have been like with clearly defined aims. One can only speculate about that. Maybe it would have made a difference. I am no political scientist.

        Schulz also denied members of parliament the wish to have a moment of silence for Sharon.

        It would be interesting to check how many over here will store what he alluded to in the larger “Arab village’ ideological corner of their brain’, no doubt the xenophobes out there surely will.

        • American says:

          @ LeaNder

          yes I meant Merkel..thanks for correction….

          • Walid says:

            Merkel; she must have one heck of a heavy conscience about what the Nazis to to the Jews. In 2011 she passed laws to pay pensions to 66,000 Jewish victims. In May 2013, she decided to pay 800 million euros to survivors and this week she decided to pay a pension to Jews that were made to work in the camps at 100 or 200 euros a month, retroactive to about 10 years back and she’s also very free with her submarines gifts, allowing Israel to have as many submarines as Germany. Her worst was following the 2006 war when Germany volunteered its navy to the UNIFIL force to maintain the peace and she declared that Germany had joined to protect Israel. The German navy was used rather than the army because she not want German soldiers running the risk of having to fire at Israelis. I’m sure Israel will eventually start putting up statues of her.

            al-Ahram wrote about the German Navy participation in UNIFIL 2:

            “… Those who supported Hizbullah’s resistance, meaning most of the south, already feel UNIFIL is there to protect Israel. German Chancellor Angela Merkel sparked controversy in Lebanon and appeared to confirm such perceptions when she cited Germany’s historic responsibility for Israel’s existence and said Germany’s contingent to the UN peace-keeping presence aimed to protect it. Germany is sending battleships to patrol Lebanon’s coastal waters rather than troops, seemingly to avoid any risk of confrontation with Israeli soldiers.”

    • Bandolero says:

      The speech of Martin Schulz does not only get coverage, but it did also get cover – most importantly from Avi Primor, former Israeli ambassador to Germany.

      Avi Primor offered the follwing comment on Schulz speech:

      It was a very beautiful, very very good speech. That Schulz didn’t use verified figures to state that Israel uses more water than Palestinians was merely a technical error. It has been a good excuse for the rightwing extremists to say that he lies. The extremists were anyway lurking and looked for any mistake. But it is totally true that Israelis serve themselves better with water than Palestinians. The angry attacks against Schulz originate in that the rightwing extremist Israelis, the settlers, the settler parties and the religious parties fear the Europeans. It’s because in the EU a two state solution is wanted, and the EU can excert economic pressure in that direction.

      Source:

      link to handelsblatt.com

      Having a former Israeli ambassador on Germany on his side means that any label of anti-semitism or anti-Israeli bias will not stick on Schulz.

      I might imagine that Martin Schulz even consulted Avi Primor before he gave his speech.

  14. MRW says:

    As Oliver Wendell Holmes said, “Trying to educate a bigot is like shining light into the pupil of an eye—it constricts,” and they run out of the room claiming someone is trying to blind them.

  15. Les says:

    Basic moral principles require that Israel cease destroying cisterns that are essential for the existence of dozens of Palestinian communities.
    Haaretz Editorial | Dec. 10, 2012 | 3:17 AM
    link to haaretz.com

    • ritzl says:

      Yep. Destroying cisterns is irrefutable proof of Israel’s intent to make Palestinian life unbearable. There is absolutely zero question of any “illegal” tapping-in to Mekerot in their existence.

      Destroying cisterns for rainwater collection is PURELY an Israeli [malevolent] act of deprivation.

  16. Walid says:

    Not talked about in the EU with its new guidelines dealing with Israeli settlements is the water stolen from Syria’s Golan Heights and sold in Europe in addition to some water bottled locally in some countries. The company that employs 2500 people is now headquartered in Switzerland but it’s Israeli through and through. Only UK’s BDS chapter appears to be doing anything against this company: link to bdsmovement.net

    From Wiki:

    “Eden Springs with headquarters in Switzerland, is providing bottled water and coffeemakers to offices. 450,000 companies in 15 countries serve 368 million litres of Eden water to their visitors and employees every year.

    A European company, Eden Springs International S.A., was launched providing water cooler operations in Poland in 1997. The Swiss market followed in 1999, and became the location of the company’s European headquarters. It now also provides coffee machines.[1] In 2009, Eden’s UK website won the International Web Marketing Association’s best business to business website award.[2]

    In 2007, Eden Springs bought out the Danone share and brought in private equity investment.[3]

    In 2011 the company received first prize in the Aqua Awards 2011 for Best Environmental Practice.[4] In the same year, the company launched a partnership with People help People – One World[5] to supply clean drinking water systems in Africa.[6]

    Today, Eden Springs International operates in Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France (under the name Château d’eau), Israel, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

    Products
    The company has a network of branches and water sources in 14 European countries[7] It secured a EUR 150 million credit facility with a consortium of European banks headed by Rabobank and Royal Bank of Scotland in November 2011.[8] It has also acquired 60 companies in Europe .[9] The water sources are located in each country where the company has a market.

    Coffee
    In 2008, with Lavazza and Kenco, began providing coffee beans and machines.[10] In 2012, Eden launched its own coffee brand; Edenissimo which is available in coffee capsules.”
    link to en.wikipedia.org

    • Daniel Rich says:

      @ Walid,

      A bit of a sidestep. Via wiki I ended up @ “Zilberman comes across as a courteous and interesting man, full of stories and anecdotes, and with an undoubted passion for his role, as well as for life itself. He has held the CEO position at Eden Springs Europe for seven years, during which the company has grown its profitability to a record of nearly €50m (of Ebitda) and has made an almost unprecedented 60 acquisitions to position it as the category leader by size, footprint and offering. Link to Foodbev.com

      How does a relatively modest profit allow one to take over 60 companies [in 7 years?]? Does google sponsor them?

  17. RE: “And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was ‘inappropriate’ to give a speech in German at the Knesset because: ‘the language used when our parents were thrust into the railway wagons and in the crematoria’.” ~ Robbins

    MY COMMENT: Apparently, the proto-fascist Feiglin is trying to burnish his rather tarnished reputation.*

    SEE: “Feiglin New Rightist Power Behind Likud Throne”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 12/27/08

    [EXCERPTS] Gershom Gorenberg has written a stunner of a political appraisal of the role Moshe Feiglin and his far-right allies will play in Likud before and especially after the next national election. Feiglin is an Orthodox extremist settler leader who toiled in the political trenches of far-right splinter parties until he cottoned on to an idea David Duke had some time ago. Instead of laboring in political obscurity, take over the major party nearest to your ideology. In this case it was Likud.
    In the last leadership primary [back in 2008], Feiglin (remember again that his views are somewhat akin to Duke’s in an Israeli context) garnered 25% of the vote to embarrass Netanyahu deeply. In the most recent primary, Feiglin and his allies chipped away further at the party leader: not only did Feiglin place 20th on the list which would’ve made him a certain MK winner (party leaders later used technicalities to move him to 36th), but many of his ideological soulmates placed high in the list as well. Gorenberg argues that no matter how centrist Netanyahu tries to paint the party, the newly empowered extremists will weigh him down like an albatross. The Israeli journalist speculates that even IF (a big “if”) Netanyahu would want to engage in territorial compromise with the Palestinians after becoming prime minister, the rump right wing caucus could muster the support to nix such an initiative or anything that even smacks of craven capitulation to the enemy.

    Here are some of the more shocking beliefs that Feiglin holds:

    On the Jewish Leadership website, [he] proposes principles for a constitution for Israel. It would include a high rabbinic court, chosen only by clergy, that would overturn any legislation it saw as contradicting Jewish religious law. A newly established senate, with a guaranteed Jewish majority of over 80 percent, would have to consult the rabbinic court on all national issues. Israel would lay claim not only to the West Bank and Gaza, but also to all of Jordan.
    . . . He proposes . . . holding a ceremony at every army base in which all non-lethal weaponry would be destroyed. Faced with Palestinian demonstrators, soldiers could only shoot to kill. . . Another Feiglin tract contrasts parliamentary democracy with an “authentic Jewish regime” that would express the “organic unity of the Nation of Israel.” Put simply, Feiglin’s ideology is the meeting point of fundamentalism and fascism.

    Gorenberg concludes his essay with this warning about the false ‘branding’ of Likud under Netanyahu’s leadership:

    The campaign packaging for the Likud will show Netanyahu’s face. In his modulated MBA voice, he’ll try to sell the Likud to voters as a pragmatic conservative party, willing to make peace if only the Palestinians agree to its conditions. Inside the package, however, is a party in thrall to a lean and hungry man offering extremist leadership for Israel. . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to richardsilverstein.com

    P.S. AND SEE THESE TWO:

    “Bogie Yaalon’s Excellent Adventure with Feiglin, Kahane Kids”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 8/17/09
    LINK – link to richardsilverstein.com

    “Yaalon Looks to Fascist Right for Support in Likud Leadership Struggle”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 8/20/09
    LINK – link to richardsilverstein.com

    • P.S. FROM WIKIPEDIA A YEAR OR SO AGO [Moshe Feiglin]:

      [EXCERPT] Moshe Zalman Feiglin (Hebrew משה פייגלין, born 1962) is an Israeli politician, head of the Manhigut Yehudit (Jewish Leadership) faction of the Likud party in Israel. Widely quoted in Israeli media, Feiglin is considered a political hardliner with a unique political perspective that emphasizes policies that reflect Israel’s Jewish identity.
      In 1993, Moshe Feiglin co-founded the Zo Artzeinu (“This [is] our Land/Country”) movement with Shmuel Sackett to protest the Oslo Accords. On August 8, 1995, 80 intersections throughout the country were blocked in a massive act of civil disobedience against the Oslo process. As a result of his activities, Feiglin was sentenced to six months in prison in 1997 for sedition against the state by Israel’s Supreme Court. The sentence was later commuted to community service.[1] . . .
      . . . Several left-wing commentators have depicted Feiglin as fascist,[8][9][10] but for his part, Feiglin rejects this label, claiming that he is fighting fascism [so-called Liberal Fascism no doubt ~ J.L.D.] himself.[11][12][13][14]
      . . . In an article in Ha’aretz, Yossi Sarid quoted Feiglin, in the context of demonstrations against the democratically chosen Oslo accords, as saying, “Hitler was an unparalleled military genius. Nazism promoted Germany from a low to a fantastic physical and ideological status. The ragged, trashy youth body turned into a neat and orderly part of society and Germany received an exemplary regime, a proper justice system and public order. Hitler savored good music. He would paint. This was no bunch of thugs. They merely used thugs and homosexuals.” Feiglin clarified his position to the Maariv newspaper that just because he considers Hitler a military genius this does not mean he admires him.[1] In an interview on Israeli television Feiglin accused Sarid and other left-wing journalists of a smear campaign against him by quoting him out of context. He explained his point as saying that just because Germany was a democracy does not give legitimacy to what Hitler had done.[30]
      Feiglin is banned from entering the United Kingdom due to a decision by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, made public in March 2008, excluding Feiglin on the grounds that his presence in the country “would not be conducive to the public good.”[31] A letter to Feiglin from the Home Office said that Smith based her decision on an assessment that his activities “foment or justify terrorist violence in furtherance of particular beliefs; seek to provoke others to terrorist acts; foment other serious criminal activity or seek to provoke others to serious criminal acts and foster hatred which might lead to inter-community violence in the UK.”[32][33] Feiglin responded, “Seeing that renowned terrorists like Hizbullah member Ibrahim Mousawi are welcomed in your country in open arms, I understand that your policy is aimed at encouraging and supporting terror.[34] . . .

      TO SEE THE CURRENT WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE (WITH EXTENSIVE REVISIONS) – link to en.wikipedia.org

  18. jayn0t says:

    Wow. A German with the balls to timidly criticize Israel.

  19. RE: Haaretz reports EU President Schulz was accused of “blatant” and “lying propaganda“, “selective hearing” as well as incitement “against Jews” during a session in the Knesset today when he repeated a question from a Palestinian youth alluding water usage in Israel was several times that of occupied Palestine and questioned if it was true . . . ~ Robbins

    SEE – “Israelis afflictions: instilled memory and paranoia vera” ~ By Uri Avnery, gush-shalom.org, 7/10/11
    Uri Avnery considers the psychological disorders underlying Israel’s response to criticism and peaceful protest, most recently manifested in its over-reaction to the humanitarian flotilla to Gaza, and the Israeli public’s generally docile acceptance of what their government and media tell them.

    [EXCERPTS] I saw on TV the results of a scientific investigation by Israeli researchers into “instilled memory”. Their experiments show that people who have seen something with their own eyes, but are told by everybody else that they have seen something else, start to suppress their own memory and “remember” that they saw what the others had allegedly seen. Neurological research then showed that this is can actually be seen happening in the brain: the imagined memory replaces the real. Social pressure has done its work: the instilled memory has become real memory.
    I believe that this is even truer for an entire nation, which is, of course, composed of individuals. I have seen this many times. . .
    . . . There is a mental disorder called “paranoia vera”. Patients adopt a crazy assumption – e.g. “everybody hates me” – and then build an elaborate structure around it. Every bit of information which seems to support it is eagerly absorbed, every item that contradicts it is suppressed. Everything is interpreted so as to reinforce the initial assumption. The pattern is strictly logical – indeed, the more complete and the more logical the structure, the more serious is the disease.
    Among the accompanying symptoms are belligerent behavior, recurrent suspicions, disconnection from the real world, conspiracy theories and narcissism.
    It seems that whole nations can fall victim to this illness. Ours certainly appears to have.
    The whole world is against us. Everybody is out to destroy us. Every move is a threat to our very existence. Everyone critical of Israeli policy is an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew. . .

    SOURCE – link to zope.gush-shalom.org

  20. Shmuel says:

    “A Palestinian youth asked me why an Israeli can use 70 cubic liters of water and a Palestinian just 17,” he said. “I haven’t checked the data. I’m asking you if this is correct.”

    Not a very bright way of putting it, even if water per se wasn’t the point (which I presume was feeble criticism of Israeli policies, citing Palestinian feelings and perceptions rather than presenting the brutal facts).

    • Eva Smagacz says:

      I havent checked the data……

      I love this line – everybody who hears this story is positively compelled to hit internet trail, and read, and watch videos, to check the data for themselves.

      Master stroke.

  21. Shmuel says:

    Zahava Gal-On compared the performance by Bennett and the other members of his party to Menashe Noy’s stock character Feldermaus (Hahamishia Hakamerit satire), with his signature line “Hasn’t the Jewish people suffered enough?!”

    Here’s the sketch Gal-On was referring to (in heavily-accented English with a few gag lines in Hebrew):

    • that’s perfect! Gal-On hit the nail on the head, bennett is quite the drama queen/showmaster. always looking out to promote himself and steal the glory. hopefully this will turn into a few little ‘teaching moments’ (phan?) for not just the knesset, but for everyone who this far is clueless about the water situation on palestine.

      btw, i listened to her speech for jstreet last night, it was actually really good. she kept repeating ‘end the occupation’!

      • Shmuel says:

        btw, i listened to her speech for jstreet last night, it was actually really good. she kept repeating ‘end the occupation’!

        Anyone who thinks that Zionists are all the same and there’s no such thing as a liberal Zionist should try listening to Zahava Gal-On some time.

        • i agree. i’d categorize her in the solutions/keeper section.

        • puppies says:

          @Shmuel- Both are trying to salvage the nasty little Spartan state. One by hook, the other by crook.
          One excommunicates talk of boycott, the other one takes over the boycott movement and makes preventing “Antisemitism” and exorcism of serious boycott its main objective. One defends the right of conquest, the other does as if the green line were god-given. Both are in the occupatiomn business, one admits it while the other calls for an end to what she is actively doing…

          • Shmuel says:

            One excommunicates talk of boycott, the other one takes over the boycott movement and makes preventing “Antisemitism” and exorcism of serious boycott its main objective.

            Zahava Gal-On does neither. She acted in Knesset against the anti-Boycott law, supports boycott of settlements (and has advocated labelling of settlement products), and warns that Israel has brought broader boycott (which she does not support) on itself.

            One defends the right of conquest, the other does as if the green line were god-given. Both are in the occupatiomn business, one admits it while the other calls for an end to what she is actively doing

            I don’t want to portray Meretz as something that it’s not, and I left the party around the time of the second intifada, but they are often excellent allies, on both sides of the green line. Ask Haneen Zoabi or Michael Warschawski. Ideological purity is nice, but ultimately self-defeating, and Zahava Gal-On is not Orit Struk or even Sheli Yachimovitch.

          • puppies says:

            @Shmuel – It’s not about any ideological purity. The particular point here is that many “liberal” Zionists are supporting a settlement boycott in order to only ward off the isolating and boycott of the Zionist entity itself. While it makes sense to work with them when they boycott just that one egg (or perhaps only the yolk), it’s pure folly to let them lead: they are working to stop the fight against Zionism and their almost-all-Jewish composition only underlines their three-blind-mice. It marginalizes the whole movement.

          • Shmuel says:

            it’s pure folly to let them lead

            I’ll repeat my original comment: Anyone who thinks that Zionists are all the same and there’s no such thing as a liberal Zionist should try listening to Zahava Gal-On some time.

            How you got from that to “them” leading whatever it is they’re supposed to be leading beats me.

          • German Lefty says:

            @ puppies & Shmuel:

            I agree with puppies. Zionists are our enemies, all of them. “Liberal Zionists” are even more dangerous than conservative Zionists because their Zionism comes in disguise of liberalism and false balance.
            We need to decide if we try to achieve justice for Palestinians by reclaiming 100% of Palestine or if we settle for less by only trying to save 22% of Palestine. We can’t do both at once.

          • puppies says:

            @German Lefty – Shmuel is right in that some alliance is happening nilly-willy with the LibZi fraction that intends to keep 80% by giving up the new settlements, but this doesn’t oblige anyone to give up the claim to 100%. Can do both. Where the line must be drawn, though, is when the LibZi take over the leadership of a boycott organization, dumb down the objectives and edict some absurd Reinheitsgebot in point of their perception of “Antisemitism”, complete with character assassination of the most solid fighters.

          • German Lefty says:

            @ puppies

            Shmuel is right in that some alliance is happening nilly-willy with the LibZi fraction
            Yes, but I think that such an alliance is a mistake. We need to keep in mind that the goal of all Zionists is retaining inequality and injustice (to different extents). They want to perpetuate the Nakba. Let me quote Omar Barghouti again:
            “The most important right is the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Why is that the most important right? Simply because 68% of the Palestinian people are refugees. 50% of the Palestinian people live in exile, outside of historic Palestine. 12% are Palestinian citizens of Israel. And 38% are in the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem. This means that anyone who says ‘I support Palestinian rights and therefore I support ending the occupation.’ is only saying ‘I support SOME Palestinian rights for a MINORITY of the Palestinian people.’ 38% in fact. They are not addressing THE Palestinian people.”
            link to youtube.com (from 7:10 to 8:30)

            Can do both.
            Well, we can try to do both. But is it useful? What’s the best strategy? I think it would be better for anti-Zionists to focus on discrediting and bringing down Zionism as a whole instead of putting a lot of effort into only helping the “liberal Zionists” end the occupation. We should make sure that the focus is on ’48, not on ’67. “Liberal Zionists” try to distract from ’48 by pointing to ’67.

          • puppies says:

            @German Lefty- You’re absolutely correct in all your statements. The point, though, is that a number of “Jewish” groups have been very active in the solidarity movement and there is no way not to collaborate even if we don’t talk.
            In fact, we effectively don’t talk in some cases because these people, as I said, have managed to dumb down the program of some solidarity organizations and to literally excommunicate people (people who also consider themselves Jewish, and even some who are quite religiously Jewish, mind you) under the pretext that they smell “Antisemitism”.
            Still, the principle that if you agree to boycott an egg you must be encouraged to boycott that single egg is valid. What do we want to do, oppose the boycotting of one settler egg, allowing only for boycott of “Israel proper”? We know that we may be enemies when the settlement problem is solved –and it’s our independent job to maintain the focus on 1947 (yes, November.)

    • a blah chick says:

      I’m glad I wasn’t drinking anything when the guy grabbed the starter’s pistol and said “finish the job!”

  22. Woody Tanaka says:

    “Bennett immediately took to his Facebook page:

    ”I will not tolerate duplicitous propaganda against Israel in the Knesset … and especially not in German.”

    Is anyone really surprised this toad, Bennett, is a bigot??

    “And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was ”inappropriate” to give a speech in German at the Knesset because:”

    And Feiglin, too…

  23. Shingo says:

    And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was ”inappropriate” to give a speech in German at the Knesset because:

    What language should a German politician who speaks only German speak in?

  24. eljay says:

    And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was ”inappropriate” to give a speech in German at the Knesset because: “the language used when our parents were thrust into the railway wagons and in the crematoria.”

    “The only language that should be used in the Knesset,” he continued, “is Hebrew -the language used by the Jewish supremacists and terrorists who founded the ‘Jewish State’, who cleansed the indigenous population from their homes and lands, who stole and colonized those lands with Jews, who stole and colonized even more Palestinian land with Jews in order to expand the borders of the new ‘Jewish State’ and who, to this very day, continue to fight for Jewish supremacism, colonialism and expansionism.”

    Oh,” he added, “and if people hate us for what we’ve done and what we continue to do, even though they are completely justified in doing so, they are nothing more than Holocaust-advocating anti-Semites. Being a ‘Jewish State’ gives us the right to libel and slander people. How great is that?!”

  25. gingershot says:

    Schultz isn’t backing down today – calls these Knesset hecklers ‘extremists’

    EU President Martin Schulz on Thursday denounced the Israeli lawmakers who criticized his speech in the Knesset a day earlier as “extremists.”

    Schultz:
    “I presented to the Knesset the position of the European parliament”
    - yeah, that as well as the Palestinian boy, all UN Resolutions Israel is currently violating, International Law and the Geneva Conventions.

    “Naturally, I cannot only say things that would be pleasant to everyone’s ears. I must also present the controversial side of the things.”
    “In an interview with Die Welt following the incident, Schulz defended his speech and lambasted his detractors.
    “The ones who disrupted my address belong to an extremist party who respond that way to any criticism that bothers them. [U.S. Secretary of State] John Kerry was similarly attacked.”

    Glad EVERYBODY is now on the SAME PAGE …

    The silly Knesset faux outrage of being outed as the Apartheid regime it is, and expecting Germany to be bullied into SUPPORTING the Israeli Apartheid regime over guilt from holocaust, is beyond scorn and ridicule

    So Germany and the EU should SUPPORT the Israeli fascist state and ethnic cleansing? – this incident perfectly illuminates what used to be (until Schultz) the Israel Contradiction for Germany.;

    How do you support Israel when Israel is a fascist Apartheid state committing warcrimes? – by actively helping Israel to CONTINUE to commit war-crimes?

    Just how stupid are these guys?

    I think we just saw the denouement of that Grand Farce with EU President Schultz – and I think Schultz saw it all happen in strobe lit clarity in real time and fully conscious of what was happening – and further – he was very conscious of ‘MAKING IT HAPPEN’

    When will Germany be required to pay restitution to Palestinians for aiding and abetting the Nakba of Palestine? – as some Israeli leader will someday no doubt demand as ‘a legacy cost’?

    Apartheid Israel has reached it’s expiration date

    reports from today’s front page Haaretz

  26. Isn’t Martin Schultz the same man who in 2003 was the object of Berlusconi’s ‘joke’ about how he resembled an actor on Italian TV who played the role of kapo?

    That caused a huge furore at the time. Germany made an official complaint, the Italian ambassador was summoned, and Berlusconi apologised. Eventually.

    Yet here we have Israeli parliamentarians, including the PM, implying that Schultz is a Nazi, and tainting the language of Goethe and Schiller as “the language used when our parents were thrust into the railway wagons and in the crematoria.” Will the Germans demand an official apology this time round? I doubt it.

  27. German Lefty says:

    There are now 4 Spiegel articles about the topic:
    link to spiegel.de
    link to spiegel.de
    link to spiegel.de
    link to spiegel.de
    No reader comments are allowed on any of these articles! However, the latest article says that Martin Schulz is right (to a certain extent).

    • German Lefty says:

      Other German news websites allow comments. There are hundreds of comments. Reactions are mixed. DIE ZEIT moderators put some of the pro-Israel commenters in their place and wrote:
      “Shortened. Please refrain from making generalisations. Thanks. The editorial team.”
      “Shortened. Please refrain from making undifferentiated, polemic statements. Thanks. The editorial team.”
      link to zeit.de

  28. @German lefty;

    Thanks for the links. At least, those articles are fair enough and speak about all issues in Schulz speech, not only the Israeli policy criticism parts:

    Beim stockenden Friedensprozess empfahl der EU-Politiker Pragmatismus. “Die israelischen Siedlungen sind nach der Genfer Konvention illegal, aber sie sind auch real”, sagte er. “Wir brauchen keine Diskussion, ob sie legal oder illegal sind, sondern über praktische Lösungen.” Einem Boykott Israels, wie von der EU und den USA zumindest angedacht, erteilte Schulz eine klare Absage.

    Zur Frage einer Kennzeichnungspflicht in der EU für Siedler-Produkte meinte er: “Ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob das helfen würde.” Die Hälfte seiner Gesprächspartner habe mehr wirtschaftlichen Druck auf Israel gefordert, die andere Hälfte davor gewarnt. Sollten die Friedensgespräche hingegen scheitern, werde die EU ihre Hilfen für die Palästinenser vermutlich sogar noch ausweiten müssen.

    • German Lefty says:

      At least, those articles are fair enough and speak about all issues in Schulz speech, not only the Israeli policy criticism parts
      There are very many articles about Schulz’ speech on German news websites. It was also mentioned on TV.
      German MSM are “liberal Zionist”. Therefore, it’s hardly surprising that they “defend” Schulz by pointing out that his speech was actually pro-Israel. As if being pro-Israel were a good thing.
      link to faz.net
      Considering the numerous “pro-Israel comments” that Schulz made, it’s all the more ridiculous that NuttyYahoo accused him of bias AGAINST Israel.
      By the way, MY1, how come you speak German? Or did you use a translator?

      • American says:

        The ‘potatoe seller’ has a Phd in languages…lol

      • @German Lefty:

        Considering the numerous “pro-Israel comments” that Schulz made, it’s all the more ridiculous that Nethanyahu accused him of bias AGAINST Israel.

        I agree. Nethanyanu accusations and the MK’s show were silly.

        By the way, MY1, how come you speak German? Or did you use a translator?

        I speak very little, but very very little, German. I can recognize the issue of a paragraph in general but, then, I must use translator in order to understand.

  29. Kathleen says:

    Have read the UN water reports regarding distribution and control of water resources in that region . The distribution percentages that Schulz asked questions about are about right as far as what I remember reading.

    Yes one of the very core issues finally being brought up. One of the very core unfair distribution issues that Arafat could not agree to.

    Good for Schulz. Israeli’s pull out all of the shut down the debate cards. Not working any longer. Not working

    link to ochaopt.org

    link to alhaq.org

    link to globalresearch.ca

    There are some discussions of unfair distribution of water rights in this report too. Looking for the reports at the UN on water rights done years ago. Can’t find them right now
    link to ohchr.org

  30. Kathleen says:

    “This claim came as a surprise and shock to some members of the Knesset! Indignant, Habayit Hayehudi [Jewish Home] party leader Naftali Bennet demanded an apology and walked out with his party’s MKs in tow”

    They know exactly what is going on. Please do not even infer that they do not know. Don’t make any room at all for excuses because these racist will take even and inference of a way out and run with it. Racist, apartheid policies and those executing those apartheid policies being called out by Schulz.

  31. amigo says:

    “And Likud MK Moshe Feiglin also took to facebook expressing his refusal to attend the speech altogether stating it was ”inappropriate” to give a speech in German at the Knesset because:”

    But it is perfectly kosher to use docs written in Hebrew when forcing 10 yr old Palestinian children to confess to crimes they did not commit.

    Would someone please rid us of these whining Neanderthals.

    • piotr says:

      You could be even more sinister and write “Will no one rid us of those turbulent Troglodytes?”

      • amigo says:

        “a person of degraded, primitive, or brutal character.” piotr

        Yes piotr, a much more apt description.But i,m not sure the Troglodytes would appreciate the comparison.

  32. piotr says:

    The problems with having common sense among Israelis reached such proportions that a special Ministry of Intelligence was created. The Minister was meticulously selected, holds Ph.D. in Philosophy (and was teaching it at a university). The latest news from the Ministry:

    Israel has the tools to limit the damage from any economic boycott, Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz said Thursday, downplaying fresh warnings that the country’s economy would be badly hurt if US-led peace talks with the Palestinians fail.

    Israel “has the tools to prevent boycotts,” Steinitz told Israel Radio. He said his office is preparing a campaign “against the boycotts and delegitimization of Israel” but did not elaborate. [So we can keep guessing if the tools will be grounded in semiotics or in ontology.]

    In the meantime, the party of the boycotter in chief (of the illustrious guests) has some problems. Bennet criticized Netanyahu for venturing an opinion that settlers could stay in a Palestinian State, and was joined by the number 5 of his party, Ayalet Shaket. But Shaket said exactly that several weeks ago. She defended herself thus: she was correct and Netanyahu is not, because she could not possibly mean it and Netanyahu could. As far as I can tell, nobody noticed anything wrong with that line. True, politicians say a ton of things that they do not mean, but this is rare that they insists that this is what they do. But Israel may be special [since nobody has seen a fault with it.] Second, this seems to be a highly unjustified accusation, that Netanyahu meant what he said, but luckily, Netanyahu chose the high road and did not try the most obvious defense (even babies in their cradles would not take me seriously.

  33. piotr says:

    Shultz could of course site reports of European Commission
    link to ec.europa.eu

    but he chose to be cute, so now he is chided by Israelis (even those who oppose theatrics of Habayit Hayehudi for “not checking facts”.

  34. Kathleen says:

    May you live long and take this story and make it prosper. Share on fb, on other blogs etc.

  35. mcohen says:

    just a smokescreen therefore the opposite is true

  36. bilal a says:

    My bet is that at this point the EU, Schultz play the Sgt. Schultz Hogans Heroes defense, I see nothing.

  37. Kathleen says:

    Understanding the theft of the Golan heights from Syria and Israeli control of water sources there is important
    link to bbc.co.uk
    link to electronicintifada.net

    link to en.wikipedia.org

  38. Fascinating. Some Israeli parliamentarians clearly dislike hearing the truth about Israel’s activities etc in the West Bank.

  39. gingershot says:

    Did Schultz just stick a fork in Apartheid or something?

    Carol Strenger (Haaretz) apparently thinks so … this is an unbelievable article which this whole affair with EU Pres Schultz and all the Nazi references from the Israeli Right has unleashed – not to mention he being CORRECT ON FACTS* regarding the ‘Water Apartheid’

    Shimon Peres once said Israel will sit not accused, but would sit, rather, in the accusers seat. I think that era just passed

    Carol Strenger from Haaretz has an amazing article up:

    ‘Carlo Strenger: Bennett’s horror show: Israel’s retreat from the civilized world’

    ‘By overplaying the Holocaust card, (Naftali Bennett) and his minions are putting Israel’s friendships at risk’

    Bennett and the rest of Israel’s far right do not realize something very basic: The holocaust does not morally require the EU and Germans who were born decades after the Shoah to support Israel no matter what Israel does. Israel cannot expect to treat its European friends with such shameless lack of civility and expect this friendship not to be harmed.

    ‘Naftali Bennett’s Habayit Hayehudi and the rest of Israel’s extreme right obviously has a new political plan: he’s in favor of Israel’s disengagement – not from the West Bank, but from the civilized world.’

    ‘Telling German politicians that they cannot criticize Israel in their language means that Israel’s rightists have lost touch with civilized reality altogether. Overplaying the Holocaust card has but one effect: Growing parts of the free world are coming to feel that Israel is no longer part of it.’

    * From the excellent ‘water resource’ by the expert linked below, Elizabeth Koek/Al Haq Rights Org

    ‘A troika of key legislative measures and institutionalised policies and practices have enabled Israel to illegally exercise sovereign rights over Palestinian water resources, with the ultimate goal of satisfying its own interests. As such, these policies and practices have laid the foundations and underpin the three principal pillars of Israel’s ‘water-apartheid.’

    @ link to alhaq.org

  40. Henry Norr says:

    There’s a nice poster called “Thirst: Distribution of Water Resources” in the Visualizing Palestine series – link to 972mag.com

    I thought it was new, but it’s actually from 2012. There’s no reason to think things have changed much since then, though.

  41. An Israeli daily consumes 4 times more water than a Palestinian

    EU President, Martin Schultz, spoke to the Israeli Knesset on Wednesday. He asked his audience, “how can it be that an Israeli is allowed to use 70 litres of water per day, but a Palestinian only 17?”

    Judaism is an ancient and beautiful religion. But Zionism in a modern-day, neo-colonial political movement that has dispossessed millions of indigenous people and is, by its continuing illegal settlement and water policies, likely to precipitate a new intifada and ultimately a nuclear war in the Middle East.

    The political Zionist movement should be designated a proscribed organisation by the United Nations. In the event that AIPAC, the American Zionist lobby in Washington, forces the US government to block such a vote in the UN Security Council then a resolution should be put before the UN General Assembly. If and when passed by a three-quarters majority then that resolution would be binding and incorporated into the body of international law.

    The state of Israel would then be required to amend its constitution so as confirm it as a multi-ethnic state with freedom of worship and movement for all its citizens and to outlaw Zionism as a political entity.

    Maybe then all citizens will be allowed 70 litres of water a day.

  42. heartbeatt says:

    Moshe Zuckermann (professor for history and philosophy at the University of Tel Aviv) has written a fantastic piece, published in the Junge Welt in Germany, entitled “Orchestrated Scandal”. Mainpoints are:
    - it is the ultra-right throwing a tizzy, as usual.
    - the knowledge that the Palestinians are deprived and discriminated against is hard to accept the truth when it goes hand in hand with collective narcissistic grievance.
    - the self-victimization ideology that screamed about the criticism being given in German (horrors). He notes, the language of Heinrich Heine, Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Albert Einstein and other Jews.
    - Motti Yogev, Knesset member, screaming “God gave the Jews this land!” should be taken seriously as the basic foundation of belief for many, not simply as a hysterical outburst.
    I presume it is somewhere in English, otherwise will try and translate asap. Sorry, am very busy.

    • please leave the link heartbeat, we can read in google translate. i’d love to read what germans are saying about the uproar and what’s being published in the german press.

    • MHughes976 says:

      I agree that the element of theology and ancient history, as proclaimed by Mr. Yogev and now by some people in New Mexico, has always been central to Zionism. And we aren’t talking only of right-wing eccentrics. George Eliot, spiritually as far from New Mex fundamentalism as you can get, seems to have thought of Zionism as taking hold of a religious tradition that had been hijacked by dogmatism and superstition and turning into something practical and beneficial.

  43. gingershot says:

    Did German EU President Schultz just create the solution for the creation of an Israel poised to ethnically cleanse the rest of Palestine? – perhaps he was the ‘only one who ever could’ or at least the most necessary one

    The cover for Eretz Israel was the Holocaust and Jewish/Israeli Lobby power, both financial and political (if different) in the US

    We are free of that now

    I think it’s time for Palestine to come home

  44. gingershot says:

    ALERT! Mondoweiss – please review

    Avraham Burg has what is essentially a ‘pre-constitutional document’ up on Haaretz, and is essentially calling for ‘equal rights/votes between the River and the Sea’, if you can believe it.

    It’s calling for all the BDS demands – ie, equal rights

    entitled:

    ‘Say a big ‘thank you’ to Martin Schulz’

    ‘In an effort to pave a new path toward historic reconciliation and true political commitment between both nations, we must give up the view of the current solution that is based on many layers of separation, isolation and acts of built-in discrimination. We need to replace that solution with a completely different method and set of principles. Many of our members, Israelis and Palestinians, both here and in the diaspora, have reached this conclusion and, as a result, share a commitment and an understanding that it is both possible and vitally important. The purpose of these principles is not to propose practical, detailed solutions, but rather to lay out a completely different groundwork for a just and sustainable Jewish-Israeli and Palestinian partnership. Our starting point is founded in the belief that the fate of both nations is bound up in an unbreakable link; that the Jewish Israelis and Palestinians are part of the Middle East, and neither of them has a surplus of rights or exclusive sovereignty over any part of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

    Therefore:

    * Every person who lives (or has the status of a resident) between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea shall be assured equal personal, political, economic and social rights. These rights include: the right to protection and security; equal treatment without regard to sex, race, ethnic origin or religion; freedom of movement; ownership and possession of property; the right to bring a lawsuit to court; and the right to vote and hold elected office.

    * The collective rights of Jewish Israelis and Palestinians – linguistic, cultural, religious and political – shall be ensured in every political setting. It is understood that neither side shall have exclusive sovereignty over any part of the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea (including exclusive ownership of land, exclusive access to natural resources, and so on).

    * All remaining exclusive rights possessed solely by Jewish Israelis, including ownership of land and access to natural resources, shall be abolished. All resources – material and political – shall be redistributed on the basis of principles of affirmative justice.

    * The right of return of the Palestinians is an integral part of UN Resolution 194. The implementation of this resolution shall take into account the existing reality. The moral and political injustice of dispossessing the Palestinians in the past shall not be remedied by creating new injustices.

    * The new political institutions shall make democratic immigration and citizenship laws. However, Jews and Palestinians who live in the diaspora will be able to receive immunity in situations of danger (according to UN resolutions) and will have special status in the process of obtaining citizenship in comparison with any other ethnic or national group.

    Like many people, both among my colleagues and others, I believe with all my heart that mutual recognition based on these principles could advance a different political reality, in which memories of exile and being refugees would give way to a comprehensive realization of rights, citizenship and belonging. They would turn bereavement into life, and despair into hope. And so, I want to say a big “thank you” to Martin Schulz, one of Israel’s last and best real friends in the world.’

    ===

    Yes, Happy Valentine’s Day 2014 for Palestine

  45. Talkback says:

    ”I will not tolerate duplicitous propaganda against Israel in the Knesset … and especially not in German, the language used when our parents were thrust into the railway wagons and in the crematoria.”

    And I will not tolerate anyone who denies, belittles, justifies or supports on the one hand the conquest, annexation or colonialization of occupied territories and on the other hand the massacring, expulsion, denationalization, dissposession or disenfrenchisment of the population because of their faith to criticize any German. Especially not Germans who – contrary to some Knesset members – have nothing spiritually in common with Nazis.