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Hillary Clinton expresses alarm for Israeli Jews, and not one word about Palestinian victims

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The first presidential debate for the Democratic party is taking place in Las Vegas tonight. Hillary Clinton will be center stage. And Hillary Clinton is alarmed by attacks against Israelis:


There is not a word in that statement about Palestinians, dozens of whom have been killed in recent days. There is not even a signal in this statement that Palestinians living under occupation for nearly 50 years might have a right to resist. The entire statement is from the standpoint of Israeli Jews. Notice the empathy, the comment about praying and looking over your shoulder.

If you want to understand why American politics is busted, and how far we have to go in changing the discourse, you need only read that statement. And yes: this statement is pitched to an American audience, of donors. In a word, Haim Saban. (It also explains why neoconservatism isn’t going away anytime soon; because neoconservatism is a hardline Zionist response to Middle East politics, and there are hardline Zionists inside the Democratic Party.)


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  1. atime forpeace
    October 13, 2015, 11:33 am

    Here is the punchline in her statement. ” or travel to prayers”. Part of the mythical jewish state.

  2. eljay
    October 13, 2015, 11:44 am

    Hillary is a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist who defends Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” and related past and on-going (war) crimes, belligerence and intransigence.

    Like all Zio-supremacists, she believes that Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • bintbiba
      October 13, 2015, 2:36 pm

      Thank you , eljay !

      I find it difficult choosing the adequate words to express my dismay /disgust …
      You find words much more civilised and graced with the adequate ‘civility’ required for polite company than I would !

      Thank you Phil and annie !!

      • eljay
        October 14, 2015, 7:57 am

        || bintbiba @ October 13, 2015, 2:36 pm ||

        You’re too kind, bintbiba. :-)

    • Katie Miranda
      October 13, 2015, 4:02 pm

      Honestly I think it’s more the $$$ and the backing of the Zionist lobby she’s after rather any personal held beliefs one way or another.

      • eljay
        October 14, 2015, 8:08 am

        || Katie Miranda: Honestly I think it’s more the $$$ and the backing of the Zionist lobby she’s after rather any personal held beliefs one way or another. ||

        To advocate, undertake, support, justify and/or defend a particular brand of immorality and injustice because you believe in it is bad enough. To do it not because you believe in it but because it pays well and/or is a good career move is worse (IMO).

        One should only sell one’s soul for rock ‘n’ roll.

      • Rashers2
        October 15, 2015, 8:00 am

        Katie, whether she believes or doesn’t believe totally in a Zio-supremacist Israel is not really (IMHO) that material. She is a whore just like Rubio is a whore; and anyone else is a whore, who takes Zionist campaign money in exchange for an understanding that, if successful in their candidacy, they will support the Zionist state virtually unquestioningly; and turn a blind eye to the ongoing crimes it commits. Even if la Clinton were not an “Israel, right or wrong” believer her credibility with the non-Zionist world (that’s most of humanity…) is shot to pieces by this type of pandering so it’s “lose; lose”.
        I’m not American; if I were, I would be as worried by such as la Clinton as by all the other politicians who aspire to the highest office on the back of the Israel lobby’s bank accounts: what they do is put innocent Americans in the metaphorical and literal firing line from any blow-back from the Ziopaths’ acts and policies. Were I American, in November I would find it difficult to vote for any of the current array of potential candidates since the I/P position of each disgusts me!

    • lysias
      October 13, 2015, 4:45 pm

      Not, she believes. Rather, she claims to believe.

      Some of the recently released e-mails show Hillary relaying e-mails from Sidney Blumenthal that were distinctly sympathetic towards the Palestinians and unsympathetic towards Israel.

    • inbound39
      October 13, 2015, 8:05 pm

      It is exactly because of who Hilary Clinton is and what she stands for that Americans cannot possibly vote her for President. A candidate is needed who does not allow America to be led by a Zionist lead,that allows America to regain its rightful status as the example of Justice and Freedom for all. Hilary Clinton will only make Americans a bigger target than it already is and destabilize America more Internationally than it already is. Israel needs to be brought to account for its crimes.

      • kalithea
        October 13, 2015, 9:46 pm

        A candidate is needed who does not allow America to be led by a Zionist lead,that allows America to regain its rightful status as the example of Justice and Freedom for all.

        There’s only one way that’s going to happen: declare Zionism a crime against humanity because Zionism is a worse form of Apartheid.

      • turveyd
        October 14, 2015, 10:22 am

        I watched Debbie Wasserman-Schultz last evening on MSNBC with horror – she was like a talking-machine, jabbering about anything other than the subject at hand, which was the small number of debates, and the penalties for questioning that policy – one clearly intended to favour HIllary Clinton’s candidacy and thus the cause ‘her homeland’ of Netanyahu and Zionism…

      • CigarGod
        October 14, 2015, 10:53 am

        Hillary was designated; and all state party chairs were given their orders months ago.
        Bernie and all the rest are just part of the plan.
        What is amazing is how cheaply a state can be bought.

    • Mondowise
      October 14, 2015, 10:23 am

      “…acts of injustice and immorality…”

      why such mild rhetoric?? such “acts” are CRIMES!
      and they are PUNISHABLE!

      let’s not whitewash Hellary’s evil with mild words. she actively supports, encourages and incites izraeli CRIMES and TERRORISM

      • Annie Robbins
        October 14, 2015, 5:59 pm

        why such mild rhetoric [acts of injustice and immorality] ?? such “acts” are CRIMES! CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY and WAR CRIMES and they are PUNISHABLE!

        why such a mild form of activism from you mondowise? why are you only posting (anonymously!) in the comment section of a blog lecturing others here? where’s your own blog? why aren’t you out on a street corner screaming at the top of your lungs?

      • eljay
        October 15, 2015, 7:21 am

        || Mondowise @ October 14, 2015, 10:23 am ||

        You missed the part where I said she ” defends Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” and related past and on-going (war) crimes, belligerence and intransigence.”

        No white-washing there.

    • brent
      October 14, 2015, 1:48 pm

      Unfortunately, Clinton’s words resonate.

      When a cop is arrogant and abusive, throwing things at or attacking other cops is not a wise plan. Every politician will come to their side.

      Netanyahu incites and Palestinians rage. Politicians come to his side.

      I see Palestinians being in a fishbowl, without benefit of perspective.

      Marwan Barghouti’s view that the world will have to pay the price for not standing up, seems to me an unthought through strategy.

      If Israeli Arabs launched a serious campaign for equality, the whole world would embrace it. Clinton would be saying something quite different. Agents of change would be empowered. The Greater Israel people would have something to fear.

      • Djinn
        October 14, 2015, 9:48 pm

        A serious campaign for equality? Like the BDS?

  3. Atlantaiconoclast
    October 13, 2015, 12:03 pm

    The only way to get Americans to care about what is going on in Palestine, is to get Americans to care about what Israel has done to their country. Palestinians will be free when every American knows about Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair, its spying, the Israeli push for the war with Iraq, a war with Syria and Iran, and Israel’s involvement in many other sordid affairs. Yes, this will lead to charges of “anti Semitism,” but I am telling you, nothing will change till Americans understand the ugliness of Israel’s government and history.

    • JWalters
      October 13, 2015, 6:06 pm

      This is very true, and well said. I would add to your list Israel’s suppression of free speech in America. That suppression is essential to getting away with all the other crimes. We must all keep pushing, pushing, pushing the FACTS into the public awareness. A tipping point will arrive.

      • brent
        October 14, 2015, 1:53 pm

        … and demanding PBS and NPR report the inconvenient but relevant facts of the day is a solid place to start. There the public has leverage.

      • DavidDaoud
        October 14, 2015, 2:34 pm

        I’ve recently read Max Blumenthal’s new piece about Canary Mission on the Alternet website.

        → Quote from the website: The Canary Mission database was created to document the people and groups that are promoting hatred of the USA, Israel and Jews on college campuses in North America.←
        Translation: Canary Mission are tracking persons and groups critical of Israel and supportive of justice for Palestine on college campuses.

        • Members of pro-Palestine groups, as a result of this group’s work, risk bleak employment futures.

    • Marnie
      October 14, 2015, 12:01 am

      That’s what gets people’s attention, not so much how others are being hurt, but how they themselves are hurt by the actions of others. There are so many dirty deeds, past and present, that need front page news. I’m sure the survivors of USS Liberty would love to give their accounts.

      The true meaning of anti-semitism and anti-semite has been lost, thanks to AIPAC, ADL, et al, and replaced with the new definition specifically for the zionist state and its deadly policies, that being anyone who criticizes the state of Israel.

      • Kris
        October 14, 2015, 10:18 am

        Marnie, since you live in Israel, could you tell us whether or not Israeli I.D. cards indicate nationality?

        On another thread “jon s” wrote: “Contrary to what Marnie says, Israeli id cards no longer indicate nationality.” – See more at:

        But according to this mondoweiss article, “Discrimination is legal, there are no Israelis: Reading the Supreme Court’s decisions on Israeli nationality”- See more at: :

        Many Israelis are comfortable with the notion that the “nationality” section in our identification cards was cancelled in the year 2002; they would point at the line of asterisks replacing the word “Jewish” or “Arab” or “other” in the IDs issued after this date. But this is nothing but an extremely transparent smokescreen.

        For the appointed officials in charge of the different discrimination junctions, a split second is enough to correctly identify the “national identity” of the citizen standing in front of them with a blue Israeli ID. Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar. If this is not enough, IDs of non-Jews are the only ones with a seemingly innocent section for the first name of the grandfather. – See more at:

        “jon s” promised himself never to lie on mondoweiss, so I am very confused about this.

      • YoniFalic
        October 14, 2015, 10:31 am

        Whether or not the card includes a field for לְאוֹם, one can determine immediately on any card whether or not the holder is Jewish on the basis of the presence of the Hebrew birth date. If the Israeli government did not want such a capability, it would be trivial to include Hebrew, Arabic, and Gregorian birth date on all cards — which would make sense because Hebrew and Arabic are used for field identification.

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2015, 12:40 pm

        Hi Kris,
        As I posted on the other thread, my blue israel ID (teudat zehut) has a space for nationality
        לְאוֹם that does not have yehudi but ********. I don’t give a rat’s ass what Jon says. Most of the people at the absorption center where we were had the same thing under nationality. I recently had to renew the card when I moved and I still have ******** under nationality. Jon says different. So?

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2015, 1:01 pm

        Kris October 12, 2015, 4:08 pm
        For the appointed officials in charge of the different discrimination junctions, a split second is enough to correctly identify the “national identity” of the citizen standing in front of them with a blue Israeli ID. Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar. – See more at: link to Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar. Nicht wahr, jon-s?

        Gee Kris, I have to start reading all of the articles here – I missed this one. Also on my ID card, my DOB is not according to the Hebrew calendar! Wow, no nationality and no Hebrew birth date? Actually, that’s just fine by me.

        “Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member”. Groucho Marx

      • Kris
        October 14, 2015, 5:28 pm

        Thanks, Marnie and YoniFalic.

        Marnie’s Israeli ID card has no nationality and no birthdate according to the Hebrew calendar .

        Is this true of your ID card, too, YoniFalic?

      • YoniFalic
        October 15, 2015, 7:53 am

        My ID card has no nationality (לאום) but has a Hebrew date.

        I have never seen an ID card for a Jew without the Hebrew date, but the government may be playing games because people treated as eligible for “return” are not always considered Jewish according to Orthodox interpretation of Halakhah.

        Someone, whose nationality was еврейский (Hebrew/Jewish) by USSR standards, was often not Jewish by Orthodox standards. Non-Ashkenazi Jews in the USSR most of the time did not have еврейский on Soviet ID cards. Many Israeli Rabbis consider all US converts to Judaism to be non-Jews.

        There is also a new biometric card with a chip on it. Maybe לאום has been moved to the chip.

  4. a blah chick
    October 13, 2015, 12:23 pm

    “There’s no place for violence–only dialogue can produce a lasting peace.”

    Last time I checked it was Nir Barkat, not Mahmoud Abbas, who was swaggering around Jerusalem with an assault rifle.

  5. ckg
    October 13, 2015, 12:59 pm

    I will be watching the debate with my shot glass in hand. Bottoms up whenever she says “violence” or “rockets”.

    • ckg
      October 13, 2015, 9:46 pm

      Dang. Still sober. Webb only one yet to put in a word for our “ally Israel”.

  6. Ossinev
    October 13, 2015, 1:09 pm

    What has the world come to when the sight and sound of an Amercan ziogranny makes you want to throw up.

  7. hophmi
    October 13, 2015, 1:14 pm

    “There is not even a signal in this statement that Palestinians living under occupation for nearly 50 years might have a right to resist.”

    Waaaaaaaaah!!! Hillary didn’t recognize the right of Palestinians to stab innocent civilians and ram their cars into busstops!

    • Emory Riddle
      October 13, 2015, 1:49 pm

      What innocent civilians are those hophmi?

    • amigo
      October 13, 2015, 2:01 pm

      Waaaaaaaaah!!!!!. Hillary authorizes the right of Jews to stab innocent Palestinians just doing their job.

      Well , I guess she does .She failed to mention such events.To be silent is to condone.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 13, 2015, 2:07 pm

        have you heard about the jew who stabbed another jew in a ‘revenge attack’ today thinking he was palestinian? lots of palestinians have probably been stabbed in recent days that don’t make the news. only if they die are they even counted, like numbers.

        12:50 P.M. The victim of the stabbing attack in Kiryat Ata has been identified as a Jewish Israeli man. According to initial assessments he is the victim of a failed revenge attack by another Israeli Jew who assumed he was an Arab because of his Middle-Eastern appearance.  

        read more:

      • oldgeezer
        October 13, 2015, 2:10 pm


        I read about that attack. A rather crude form of justice at a higher level although not for the victim.

        I guess it was another Jew attacked merely for the sake of being a Jew (and not looking Jewish enough)

        It wasn’t a terrorist attack, of course, it was a nationalist crime. Can’t use the same language to describe the same act.

      • amigo
        October 13, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Annie , yes I read about that.The article also noted that Jews are allowed “revenge attacks” but for Palestinians , the attacks are terrorist or murder etc etc.

        Annie, ever get feedback from Seafoid.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 13, 2015, 4:22 pm

        i never heard back from seafoid. very sad. i just hope he’s ok.

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2015, 10:02 pm

        “have you heard about the jew who stabbed another jew in a ‘revenge attack’ today thinking he was palestinian?”

        Yes, he realized his mistake, apologized, and did what he could until the ambulance came. He rolled his jacket up for a pillow and put it under his victim’s head, asking him “Are you comfortable, are you comfortable?”
        “Comfortable?” the poor perforated fellow replied, “Eh, I make a living”

    • Donald
      October 13, 2015, 4:27 pm

      Hophmi, I will admit that if an intelligent liberal Zionist who was honest about Israeli crimes came to the comments section here he or she would be hounded for the liberal Zionism and would not feel welcome. (I have mixed feelings about this, since well-intentioned liberal Zionists will be part of the solution, or could be, if we don’t just head straight on to Algeria instead). Such a person might not stay very long.

      So anyway, instead of intelligent liberal Zionists, we get you. There are, as usual, a large number of Palestinian victims in this current onslaught and in normal circumstances Palestinians comprise all the victims and are mostly ignored. They get shot and not one word is said by soulless clowns like Hillary Clinton. I doubt it is an actual heartfelt position– what I think in her case drives her behavior is the quest for donations. She’d happily take sides in geekish arguments about the merits of Daenerys Targareyan as a future Queen of Westeros if that would bring in significant amounts of money. The reality, the merits of the argument, who suffers, who doesn’t–she doesn’t give a damn.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        October 13, 2015, 4:49 pm

        A comment on the news item quoted by Annie:

        “The victim of the stabbing attack in Kiryat Ata has been identified as a Jewish Israeli man. According to initial assessments he is the victim of a failed revenge attack by another Israeli Jew who assumed he was an Arab because of his Middle-Eastern appearance.”

        But he probably WAS an Arab — a Jewish Arab who came (or whose parents or grandparents came) from an Arab country.

      • kalithea
        October 14, 2015, 2:00 am

        Intelligent liberal Zionist?

        No disrespect to you, but these words strung together like this make me want to gag!

        l’m sorry, but a) there is no such thing as a liberal Zionist and b) intelligent and Zionist is an oxymoron!

        Also, the majority of Jews will not help this cause unless they are cleansed of Zionism.

        Did liberal Nazis exist at the height of the third reich and did they do anything to help advance the cause of Jews being oppressed and murdered? And if there was a site like this while that was happening would you welcome a liberal Nazi into the discussion?

        Here’s what I’d do: I’d say, You wanna discuss? Leave your supremacy at the door!

      • eljay
        October 14, 2015, 10:15 am

        || kalithea: … intelligent and Zionist is an oxymoron! … ||

        I disagree. Intelligent people are quite capable of choosing to be hateful and immoral.

      • kalithea
        October 14, 2015, 1:03 pm


        I disagree. Intelligent people are quite capable of choosing to be hateful and immoral.

        I guess my definition of intelligent differs from yours. A person can amass all kinds of knowledge and still be dumb as an ox because I just don’t consider hateful, immoral people to be inspired by their intellect; it seems that when one resorts to the baser part of their brain intelligence goes out the window.

      • hophmi
        October 14, 2015, 3:30 pm

        “So anyway, instead of intelligent liberal Zionists, we get you.”

        And I get 150 closed-minded people who don’t have the moral courage to condemn acts of terrorism against civilians.

        You’ll doubtless protest that when you talk about a “right to resistance,” you don’t mean a right to stab boys or a right to throw molotov cocktails or ram cars into crowds of civilians. Save it. I don’t believe you anymore. The BDS movement has had a decade to take a stand against terrorist violence, and they haven’t done it, not once. BDS proponents enjoy this violence. Look on twitter. People are celebrated these acts as a new Intifada, and they don’t mean the spiritual kind.

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2015, 4:10 pm

        “And I get 150 closed-minded people who don’t have the moral courage to condemn acts of terrorism against civilians.”

        Geez, I’m sorry, “Hophmi”. That’s certainly not what you expected when you started this blog, MondoHophmi, was it?

        “Hophmi” if the commenters at your blog won’t listen to you, and refuse to see it your way, ban the suckers! Not permanently, just hand out 30 and 60-day bans to teach ’em a lesson and some manners!

      • echinococcus
        October 14, 2015, 6:50 pm

        You see, Hophmi, acts of terrorism against civilians is what all Zionist entity organs have as main purpose since around 1917.

        When the UN convention and the Nuremberg rules establish a right of occupied populations to resist the invader by all means judged adequate, it means just that, not what a Terrorist-Lover like Hophmi thinks of it.

        And still the Tsahal and police and settler terrorists have no right at all to be anywhere and no right to defend themselves. Heck, even according to the ridiculously supine, colonialist UN rules they have no right to even be anywhere outside the 11/1947 partition line. Even according to their main accomplice US they have no right to be outside the 1967 green line.
        As for within the lines admitted by the Zionist entity’s accomplices, the responsibility is with the government of the Zionist entity, go cry there.

        You never heard any of this, of course. You’re just a plain Joe in the street and nobody tells you anything.

      • eljay
        October 15, 2015, 7:19 am

        || hophmi: And I get 150 closed-minded people who don’t have the moral courage to condemn acts of terrorism against civilians. ||

        …says the morally-bereft Zio-supremacist who refuses:
        – to condemn Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” and related past and on-going (war) crimes; and
        – to advocate the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

        (I condemn all acts of terrorism against civilians, and I believe that justice, accountability and equality must be universally and consistently applied.)

      • eljay
        October 15, 2015, 10:20 am

        || kalithea: I guess my definition of intelligent differs from yours. … ||

        Fair enough. I’m going by these definitions

        … the ability to learn or understand or to deal with new or trying situations … the ability to apply knowledge to manipulate one’s environment … mental acuteness : shrewdness …

        …which are as applicable to Jewish- and other supremacists as they are to non-supremacists.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      October 13, 2015, 4:43 pm

      hophmi: “Hilary didn’t recognize the right of Palestinians”

      She didn’t mention Palestinians at all. Judging by her statement it is quite possible that she believes the attacks on Israelis came from Martians.

    • scott9854958
      October 13, 2015, 8:08 pm

      Implicit in your sarcasm is the idea that if only Palestinians would grow up, and protest like adults, they might make some progress. But we saw from Rachel Corrie and so many others that the Israelis do not respect peaceful protest. They kill peaceful protestors with the same zeal as they do all the others. It’s a fascist state.

      • Sibiriak
        October 14, 2015, 12:52 am

        scott9854958: They kill peaceful protestors with the same zeal as they do all the others.

        Yes, but killing innocent, peaceful protesters has enormously different implications for global public opinion and international governmental pressure on Israel, not to mention international law and potential court cases.

    • inbound39
      October 13, 2015, 8:37 pm

      Hophmi…..she certainly made no statement about angelic Jewish Terrorists that burnt a Palestinian family alive…..that burnt a sixteen year old boy alive…..that wrongfully shot ten times an eighteen year old Palestinian girl that posed no threat and who was unarmed…..or the several palestinians who were accused of carrying knives who showed no evidence of possession who were gunned down on the say so of jewish terrorists claiming the Palestinians were armed or the thirteen year old girl who had an IDF officer stand over her and empty the full magazine of his assault rifle into her. When will you admit that Israeli’s commit far more crimes against Palestinians Hoppers?

      • DavidDaoud
        October 14, 2015, 2:53 pm

        Hophmi, would you like to comment on what inbound39 said Oct. 13 @8:37pm ?
        Will you ever admit that Jews can be terrorists?

    • CigarGod
      October 14, 2015, 10:07 am

      Hophmi is where AI technology is today…and why some fear it.
      No ability for compassion.
      The good news is Hophmi is a childs toy.

  8. amigo
    October 13, 2015, 1:50 pm

    Whenever I hear people here in Ireland honouring Bill and Hillary , I get the urgent need to enlighten those brainwashed suckers .The problem is , how do you enlighten a sucker.

    Clinton is adored here for his overrated contribution to the NI peace agreement and the suckers will not listen to any facts that might diminish his image.His wife garners almost equal adoration.

    Stating facts about hillary goes right over their heads.This what the pariah state hopes for.Ignorance of the masses.

  9. JLewisDickerson
    October 13, 2015, 2:29 pm

    RE: “[O]nly dialogue can produce a lasting peace.” ~ Team Hillary

    MY SARCASM: Dialogue . . . and settlements (i.e., colonization), of course! ! !

  10. Brown-Eyed Girl
    October 13, 2015, 2:32 pm

    My God that is unbelievable. Even for Hillary it is callous. As for her comments about “dialogue” she was Secretary of State for 4 years what did she do to foster dialogue? She knows full well it is Netanyahu who refuses to engage in dialogue. Wonder how she lives with herself.

    • JWalters
      October 13, 2015, 6:18 pm

      In the 2008 campaign she stated her willingness to “obliterate” Iran, which was clearly from an Israeli script. All those children, mothers, families, villages, gone. The Zionists did obliterate much of Palestine, planting cacti over leveled villages, so such talk must be taken seriously.

  11. Steve Grover
    October 13, 2015, 3:29 pm

    I guess you Mondoweiss dweebs have to ask yourself why is it that taking a pro Israel point of view appeals to the American electorate. The big bucks donors is the cop out answer.

    • Bumblebye
      October 13, 2015, 3:47 pm

      Horsefeathers, lowly grub.
      It’s the ziomafia that prevents the truth being reported via the msm – print or tv. They misuse their ill-gotten gains to censor what can be reported on.

    • Donald
      October 13, 2015, 4:31 pm

      Big bucks donors are probably the biggest reason for Democratic subservience. With Republicans it’s big bucks plus Christian Zionist votes.

      But yeah, part of the Lobby’s power is its attraction for American racists. The Israeli history of stealing land from people and treating their victims as savages echoes our own–in both cases the crimes are dressed up in noble sounding rhetoric about civilization and so forth. There’s not much originality. Colonialism and conquest tends to look the same, at least in the past few hundred years.

      • kalithea
        October 14, 2015, 2:35 am

        I really don’t like it when the Occupation by Israel is referred to as Colonialism. Even if I’m totally against colonialism and what was done to the indigenous in the Americas, this is different. Referring to this as colonialism kind of mitigates the severity of the crime because it presents it as that necessary evil for a greater good which is kind of how Americans view Zionism or what they’ve been made to believe it is.

        I believe this is a crime that should have no redeeming justification. It’s like stating that Muslims are inferior, that they’re less intelligent and less civilized therefore they need to be colonized and converted when in fact, the real goal, the intention of Zionists is to squeeze them out, to ethnically cleanse them and of course wipe them out of existence if they persist. The Palestinians will go on being who they are forever despite the Zionist occupation imposed on them and hopefully resist and vanquish through justice.

        Although there is supremacy in colonialism, colonialism sought conversion and integration, but Zionism, like Nazism doesn’t seek conversion and especially not integration, it seeks expulsion and decimation of the inferior or the heathen. At least that’s how I see it and that’s how it’s playing out.

        So I prefer to refer to Zionism as exactly what it is, namely, Supremacy i.e. Jewish Supremacy.

      • Kris
        October 14, 2015, 9:49 am

        @kalithea: “So I prefer to refer to Zionism as exactly what it is, namely, Supremacy i.e. Jewish Supremacy.”


    • ckg
      October 13, 2015, 7:54 pm

      I guess you Mondoweiss dweebs have to ask yourself why is it that taking a pro Israel point of view appeals to the American electorate.”

      Cuz we Americans know supporting Israel is necessary for Jeezbus to come in the clouds with guns for all singing Hank Williams Jr. to smite the Muslims, homosexuals and Darwinists.

      • YoniFalic
        October 13, 2015, 8:19 pm

        @ckg, If supporting genocidal Eastern European Jewish invaders in Palestine really was deeply entrenched in the American psyche and tremendously appealing to it, racist American Jews would not work so hard to suppress open discussion of Israel and Palestine.

      • Sibiriak
        October 13, 2015, 9:45 pm

        YoniFalic: If supporting genocidal Eastern European Jewish invaders in Palestine was deeply entrenched in the American psyche and tremendously appealing to it …

        1)What about American support for Western and Eastern European Jews who came to Palestine, willingly or unwillingly, to escape implacable European antisemitism and genocidal Nazism? Isn’t it a historical fact that providing such support was “tremendously appealing”?

        2)Do you think anti-Arab prejudices are NOT deeply entrenched (implanted) in the “American psyche”?

        (Cf. Kathleen Christison, “Perceptions on Palestine”

    • diasp0ra
      October 13, 2015, 7:58 pm

      Same way the Apartheid point of view appealed to the Brits and the Americans in the 60s and 70s, not to mention the countless vetoes well into the 80s.

      Things change though. Only Zionists seem unaware of this fact.

      • ckg
        October 13, 2015, 8:08 pm

        And just as Jerry Falwell was the foremost US supporter of RSA Apartheid–he called Bishop Tutu a phony–his organizational descendants are the most numerous supports of Israeli Apartheid. At least they’re consistent.

    • bryan
      October 14, 2015, 2:37 am

      And, Grover, I guess you’re going to tell us there is absolutely no relationship between “the big bucks” donated to corrupt American democracy and the “pro Israel point of view” that “appeals to the American electorate”. They just coincidentally happen to be two-sides of the same coin. The “big bucks” that prostitute the American politicos to take a totally one-sided stance on international affairs are obviously different “big bucks” from those that fund a host of “think-tanks” and “research foundations” that mould American opinion, and different “big bucks” from those used so extensively in campaigning that the American media can be induced to self-censor, and different “big bucks” from those that are used so extensively to fund McCarthyite organisations that prescribe what is an acceptable expression of free speech within academia and on college campuses. Notwithstanding all these “big bucks” floating around the ether, the American John and Jane have courageously and independently reviewed all the evidence, pursued due diligence, and just happen to have aligned themselves alongside the “big bucks”?

  12. gracie fr
    October 13, 2015, 4:28 pm

    ……Oh my goodness…!!

    Hillary is just too thrilled about getting the latest round of unconventional wepons tested to use in the intensification of America’s global wars. I haven’t heard about the goulish aspects of Elbit industies et al…until this interview of Max Blumental by Chris Hedges….

    • kalithea
      October 14, 2015, 4:35 am

      I’m hoping Max Blumenthal is around when they hold the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials to prosecute Zionist criminals at some future date for supremacist crimes against humanity.

      What’s being described in this interview is intent at genocide and genocidal acts. It’s exactly what I’ve been saying; that Zionism needs to expulse and/or decimate the other in order to survive.

      I just discovered something that I have in common with Max Blumenthal, we’re both born in December and have a laser-like connection with the truth.

      So I wrote here that Jews are the key to restoring freedom and rights to the Palestinians and if Jews with a conscience want to know exactly what they need to do to make that happen then they need look no further than Max Blumenthal as a guide. When you look up integrity in the dictionary it’s got his name in the usage of the word in a sentence.

      If there were thousands of him cloned it would put the Wiesenthal’s anti-Semitic black list out of business but alas, he’s the exception to the rule.

      May he live long and prosper, convert many Jews away from Zionism and testify at the war crimes tribunal that will put Zionism in the pages of historical infamy.

      And my guess is he’ll win the Pulitzer one of these days or the Peabody, he’s got journalistic guts! Heck just give him the Nobel Prize already; he’s leagues ahead of the game on Zionism and he deserves it more than Bush-lite Obama and Shimon uber-Zionist Peres FGS!

      Oh and while I’m on a wishful thinking roll, Chris Hedges for President!

      • CigarGod
        October 14, 2015, 10:20 am

        You are on a roll.
        Max for NPP. I like it.

  13. lysias
    October 13, 2015, 4:36 pm

    The Hill: Carson holds double-digit lead on Clinton in new poll:

    Four Republican presidential candidates lead Hillary Clinton nationally in head-to-head match-ups, according to a new poll.

    The Fox News survey released on Tuesday shows Ben Carson running the strongest against Clinton, with the retired neurosurgeon taking 50 percent, compared to only 39 percent for the former secretary of State.

    Donald Trump leads Clinton by 45 percent to 40, Jeb Bush leads Clinton 44 to 40 and Carly Fiorina leads Clinton 42 to 39, the poll found.

    While it can be dangerous to read too much into any poll this early in the presidential contest, the Fox News survey wil give ammunition to those arguing that Vice President Biden would be a stronger Democratic candidate than Clinton.

    Biden leads all of those same Republican contenders in head-to-head match-ups. He’s up on Trump by 50 percent to 37, Bush by 46 to 41 percent and enjoys leads of 46 to 42 percent over both Carson and Fiorina.

    • ckg
      October 13, 2015, 8:22 pm

      Ben Carson supports the “Egypt solution” for Gaza. He wants to “slip” (i.e. quietly expel) the Palestinians into the Sinai Desert.

      • CigarGod
        October 14, 2015, 10:23 am

        Oh…a land without a people. Perfect.
        A cranium without a brain.

    • kalithea
      October 13, 2015, 11:20 pm

      The only people who like Hillary are neolibs and liberal Zionists even though there’s no such thing as a liberal Zionist. Everyone else is repulsed by Hillary and I’ll include myself in that group even though there’s Republicans in that group. She’s so arrogant, so unauthentic and the type of politician that gives politicians a bad name. And the worst is that she may end up facing Trump in the campaign – so much arrogance and ego on one stage – I think I’ll move to another planet.

    • Theo
      October 15, 2015, 1:16 pm

      In my opinion Dr. Carson should see a good headshrinker! How can a medical doctor have such far out ideas of how our world was created.
      That is what we need in the WH, a president who is off his rocks, we already have many of them in the congress.

  14. Boomer
    October 13, 2015, 4:55 pm

    It isn’t only Mrs. Clinton, of course. From WaPo:

    “BOSTON — U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is condemning recent attacks against Israeli civilians.

    Kerry says the violence and incitement to violence in the region has to stop.”

    I guess we aren’t supposed to notice generations of Israeli violence and incitement. That doesn’t count.

    As for Mrs. Clinton, she knows better. Shortly after her husband was elected, she made some news with constructive comments about Palestinians. NYT Mag had her on the cover, with an article about the politics of virtue and the role of her Lib. Zionist guru Rabbi Lerner. Push back followed. Indeed, the article itself contained some hints. She wised up. She believes in raising money, getting elected. Ditto Obama. I suspect he would gladly help Palestinians if there were no cost or risk in doing so. I thought he might act more boldly as a lame duck, but I guess he is still concerned about other Democrats getting elected, and about donations to whatever his version of the “Clinton Initiative” will be.

    • kalithea
      October 13, 2015, 11:10 pm

      Stop making excuses for them. Do you really think she personally gives a damn about Palestinians? Good grief!

      • Boomer
        October 14, 2015, 8:01 am

        I didn’t intend my comments as excuses. Quite the contrary. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify that.

  15. Kay24
    October 13, 2015, 5:16 pm

    This is why I will not be voting for any candidate again. Does she even know that 30 Palestinians have been killed as of today? They are all delusional, or pretend it is a one sided conflict. They never refer to, or ask why the Palestinians keep fighting this way. They are afraid to use the word “occupation”, the main reason for the ongoing violence. It it shameful that our politicians keep worshipping at the zionist altar to win elections. There is absolutely no neutrality from American leaders in this conflict. They are not worth my vote.

      • amigo
        October 13, 2015, 5:36 pm

        lysias, thanks for that.Sadly , she won,t get past the first hurdle.She speaks truth to power and that is not welcomed by the folks in the dark smoke filled rooms.

      • echinococcus
        October 13, 2015, 7:21 pm

        Amen to all but the dark, smoke-filled rooms. Now they all diet, work out, eat the latest mountebank’s organic diet and wouldn’t be caught near any smoke except for smokescreens.

    • inbound39
      October 14, 2015, 6:08 am

      I can off some encouragement. I have deliberately been monitoring the New Zealand Media reporting on events in Israel and the Occupied Territories. It seems at least in New Zealand the commentary is balanced and tonight when it reported the Knesset decision to shut off Jerusalem to Palestinians it was stated that this would only inflame the situation and the reporter listed the number of Palestinian deaths as well as Israeli deaths. Palestinians are currently being killed at a rate of four Palestinians for every one Israeli. It was a nice feeling to know our media is fair.

  16. tokyobk
    October 13, 2015, 5:38 pm

    — The Clintons are motivated by money and power and will be sympathetic to the greater sources of those.

    — Ramming a rabbi at a stop sign and then finishing him off with a hatchet will never be seen as the actions of a David against Goliath, whatever injustice made that killer snap. Its understandable that Americans will see it that way and random brutal violence helps Israel at home and abroad, and weakens non-violent, rights based approaches such as BDS.

    –The response of Israel’s supporters on for example Facebook is remarkable for its genuine and affected cluelessness. Palestinian terrorists killing Jews simple for being Jewish, as if there is no occupation, as if there is no wider context for violence, as if there is no sense (of course there is no perceived right) of retaliation for Israeli’s killing of them and theirs.

    Lastly, In the opening scene of the film Kagemusha, the bound thief who would later become the “shadow warrior” to the warring statesman Takeda Shingen, rolls over in laughter even though he might be headed to torture and the gallows. He scoffs at his captors, lord Shingen and his brother. They dare call -him- a thief for his individual crimes? The warlords meanwhile have stolen whole domains with vast murder and plunder, in an attempt to become the most powerful, and the most honoured.

    It is human nature beyond I/P to grant legitimacy to power. Israel can take an entire territory and fight with planes and missiles (with the occasional “collateral” damage). Yet, a palestinian with a knife or a rock will be a terrorist.

    This is quite unfair and in a saner world. Murder would be murder and theft would be theft. whichever the actor, whatever the scale, in fact the larger the scale the worse the crime. But we are in this world and Israel gains favour here in ways that are outside of the kind of typical explanation. This is in part about human optics, not the specifics of Jews and American empire.

    • oldgeezer
      October 13, 2015, 5:55 pm

      I agree with a lot of what you say. The optics are to a large extent controlled by the msm even though their impact is being reduced. Honest reporting would considerably change the optics. The next question that arises is whether honest reporting can ever exist again (whether it ever did is also interesting of course)

    • Donald
      October 13, 2015, 7:16 pm

      All true, I think. Though Americans could see the murderousness of the Soviet aerial campaign in Afghanistan and in the present, the immorality of the Assad government when it uses artillery or barrel bombs against civilian neighborhoods. And “Guernica” is a famous painting. But some Westerners have a harder time seeing the immorality of our bombs or Israel’s bombs.

      So yes, I suspect people do find face to face atrocities more horrifying on some level, but they can get past that easily enough if there is no ideological barrier standing in the way.

      • kalithea
        October 13, 2015, 10:48 pm

        Quit with the naivité. Balance of power is all the hope we have in this world of rampant injustices initiated and led by U.S. hubris, so if Putin can restore at least balance – MORE POWER TO HIM.

      • Donald
        October 13, 2015, 11:35 pm

        “Quit with the naïveté.”

        Quit giving stupid orders based on some faux tough guy realism that merely means you side with some other set of thugs.. And anyway, I didn’t mention Putin. Putin wasn’t the leader of the USSR in the 80’s when they were bombing Afghanistan. I don’t know if Putin’s intervention will help or hurt.

      • gamal
        October 14, 2015, 8:24 am

        The USSR did not invade Afghanistan, nor was the USSR in beligerent occupation of the country for one moment. Its presence in Afghanistan was on the same basis as it is in Syria, invitation by the government to help defend the state from a foreign supported insurgency.

        I dont know if that makes any difference the USA and her citizens notoriously have no respect for international legal niceties.

        Back in those days we were on the American ambassadors visitation list, we would see him at our institution in London, once or twice every year, as many of the Shuyukh were very well connected, especially our Director. I recall them complaining bitterly that America insisted on arming regional and ethnic militias without pushing very hard for the formation of a national movement, who would segue straight from insurrection to civil war, as they did. Wasnt it Hekmatyar and Masood who destroyed Kabul?

        there is no equivalence between the Soviet and American wars in Afghanistan, the first was legal the second represents the supreme international crime.

      • HarryLaw
        October 14, 2015, 9:21 am

        Donald.. “But some Westerners have a harder time seeing the immorality of our bombs or Israel’s bombs. Orwells take on that is instructive .. “Indifference to Reality. All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side”. And..
        “The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them”.

      • kalithea
        October 14, 2015, 1:59 pm

        the Soviet aerial campaign in Afghanistan and in the present

        So I understood in the presentas being the Soviet aerial campaign today, even if Russia isn’t Soviet and therefore I admit I might have misinterpreted your comment…or did I?

        Regardless, this being said, I still think you’re being naïve because you seem to be looking at this present-day situation through the prism of perfection and in today’s world the white hats are mostly restricted to members of powerless mass.

        This is a world where all the powers are wearing black hats today even the ones who pretend to own the moral high ground. By the way, I see the murderousness in U.S. bombing in Iraq and Afghanistan as well and in the drone campaigns in Pakistan, Yemen and other places.

        Of course I’m against all forms of violence but here we have Palestinians abandoned to their misery faced with the cyclical monstrous violence of the Israeli military machine. So what would you do in their case; lie down and die or is there no such thing as self-defence? I know what you’re thinking: attacking civilians isn’t self-defence, but look at the weapons those Zionist soldiers are carrying; and do Zionists discriminate between civilians and resistance militia? Israel set the playing field and the rules of engagement! It’s seem to me that the party who pushes another party to resort to violence to defend himself and to force justice through violence is of much greater fault and thoroughly evil.

        Similarly, when certain powers use extraordinary violent means to exert influence and power around the world as the U.S. does, a balance is required to CHECK and deter that kind of influence and power gained by violence and force, even though the U.S. believes it owns the moral high ground.

        Without balance of power there is no discussion and no one will put aside their weapons to sit and talk about a better world. The U.S. is far from a moral authority and its quest for power through force is disgusting and out of control. Also, I firmly believe that in trying to oust Assad because he doesn’t fit with U.S. interests and the hegemony equation in the region; the U.S. ushered in a group of bad actors called ISIS who are so much worse than Assad, because what U.S. leaders fail to understand is that interfering and upsetting balance of power has serious blowback and dire consequences.

        So I stand by my comment even if you didn’t mention Putin’s aerial bombing in Syria or did you? I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt but my point stands: balance of power is a GOOD thing and like it or not Assad is part of that balance equation for the time being, as is Iran, and Hezbollah and Russia and others who are tacitly supporting this coalition and personally I don’t want anyone to have all the power; I just want balance of power restored by Putin or Iran or China or whomever can restore it so everyone treads carefully into the future respecting each others power until we evolve to a higher consciousness of being and your perfect world where no violence exists.

    • kalithea
      October 13, 2015, 11:04 pm

      No one asks what made a Palestinian law student commit such an act? One only has to ask how difficult it is for a Palestinian to even study law. I don’t know what the rest of us would do born into oppression, witnessing loved ones and fellow Palestinians killed year in and year out by the barbaric occupier and having one’s holy sites restricted and suffering a multitude of indignities. Is it easy to lose control in such a situation, ESPECIALLY, when you sucked up your rage against so much injustice for so many years and tried peaceful means to be heard to get justice.

      Who am I to judge; who are we to judge? They only have resistance; that’s all! The world has abandoned them. What do you suggest they do??

      • Curatica
        October 14, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Yes, well said!

    • Sibiriak
      October 14, 2015, 1:39 am

      @Tokyobk Excellent post. The Kagemusha reference was quite effective rhetorically.

      It is human nature beyond I/P to grant legitimacy to power. […] This is in part about human optics, not the specifics of Jews and American empire. .

      True, but I agree with Donald: you overstate the importance of that apolitical, transhistoircal element of “human nature”.

      “The Palestinian with a knife or a rock” could just as well be seen as a brave “freedom fighter”, not a “terrorist”; Israeli onslaughts with planes and missiles could be seen as “intolerable aggression by a rogue state”, not “legitimate self-defense” –it all depends on the propaganda fed to the public. (Of course, the power of propaganda to defy reality is not unlimited.)

      State actions are easily demonized; any natural tendency to “grant legitimacy to power”, if one exists, can be easily overridden.

      Needless to say, the power of states/dominant elites to control popular opinion is in no way limited to “Jews and American empire.”

  17. MaximumBob
    October 13, 2015, 5:45 pm

    Did this quote come from the Clinton campaign? I can’t find a source other than Times of Israel and Jewish Insider.

  18. Mooser
    October 13, 2015, 6:00 pm

    “It is human nature beyond I/P to grant legitimacy to power.”

    And you do, “tokyobk” you always do!

    • tokyobk
      October 13, 2015, 7:43 pm

      No I don’t mooser, clearly, but why let that get in the way of a snipe. Its what you do.

      • echinococcus
        October 13, 2015, 11:19 pm

        The human nature fallacy is one of the classics in philosophy and in propaganda studies: a generalization from one single individual at a single timepoint in a single place –the speaker, or the human he wants to suggests.
        So anyone not fitting it is simply non-human.
        Mooser is not sniping.
        I am human and power is never legitimate prima facie to me, OK? Stop shoving your stuff on others.

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2015, 11:35 am

        “No I don’t mooser, clearly, but why let that get in the way of a snipe.”

        Okay then, I won’t. You’re comment is “remarkable for its genuine and affected cluelessness” Both.

      • tokyobk
        October 14, 2015, 9:51 pm


        thanks but it is possible to speak of human nature without implying that there are not other contradictory human natures. Humans across culture have given respect to power and condemned individuals engaged in much smaller acts of violence. This works very well for describing the highly lopsided I/P issues where everything Palestinians do is “terror.”

        Mooser is a guy imo with too much time on his hands who thinks misreading what I write is fun, funny and in some way helps Palestinians.

        Not here or anywhere do I, as he accuses, grant legitimacy to power, in fact I am doing the exact opposite as others could recognise. To quote you: “power is never legitimate prima facie to me”.

        And, btw, I think of myself as human.

      • echinococcus
        October 15, 2015, 12:29 am

        Sorry, Tokyo, I’m not smart and all I can do is linear, Aristotelian logic. I can’t try to follow convoluted thinking and complicated expression. It’s not by quoting one characteristic that’s far from being a universal that you’ll sell me “human nature”.

  19. scott9854958
    October 13, 2015, 8:26 pm

    I’m waiting to see what super progressive Bernie has to say about the Palestinians tonight. Probably not much. He’s such a fraud.

    • MaximumBob
      October 14, 2015, 2:30 pm

      Sanders basically expresses a neutral position, concern for both “sides”, two-state solution, which would be a big improvement over current policy.

  20. kalithea
    October 13, 2015, 10:39 pm

    Omg! Thank you for this article. I’m watching the debate right now and let me tell you: the Democratic Party is in serious, serious trouble. The only candidate on that stage who has a foreign policy that makes a smidgen of sense, who has a Jimmy Carter air about his foreign policy is Lincoln Chafeeee; and he just got trounced by Zionist Hillary a few minutes ago! He has no edge, none of Carter’s charisma, no assertive speaking voice and disappears into the debate background. He will never win the nomination and even if he did with that kind of meek delivery he would get annihilated by the likes of Trump in an election campaign.

    The audience at that debate is hard core neolib. The Democratic candidates are a worthless and sorry lot calling themselves liberal and progressive. There is absolutely no hope for Americans whatsoever and much less for Palestinians! Bernie Sanders, is a hopeless Zionist. O’Malley’s a hawk like Hillary, and Webb should move back to the Republican Party.

    Unless a THIRD party appears on the scene for the election campaign, the world is moving backwards into another dark age if we ever left the one started by the Bush Administration. Hillary is much, much worse than Bill. Well just look at what a lousy SoS she was! She keeps repeating Iran sanctions over and over and over again like McCain with his bomb Iran!

    So get ready folks, because as I wrote earlier in another blog page here: I fear Trump is going to run away with the Republican nomination and I think he might just eye Cruz for a running mate since he’s reluctant to criticize him even when the press try to bait him to take a jab at Cruz. And these two will turn Washington into Crazy town. I’m very worried and disgusted with American politics and politicians.

    FGS! There are over 300 million Americans and not one intelligent anti-Zionist politician to challenge the status quo?

    It’s going to take a revolution minus Bernie Sanders’ Zionism.

  21. David Doppler
    October 14, 2015, 12:48 am

    Well, it’s stunning. Netanyahu has aligned Israel with Speaker Boehner, Rush Limbaugh, and all things Right wing-nut, while declaring war on Liberalism and Academia, Hillary practices Hasbara as faithfully as Marco Rubio is trying to, and Donald Trump nails it all with a tweet: Rubio will be Adelson’s perfect lapdog. Who’d a thunk it!

  22. Pixel
    October 14, 2015, 7:24 am

    It’s critical that we take a hard look at the larger picture. If the following piece doesn’t resonate with you, there are many, many others out there. The beauty of this one is that it’s succinct.

    Everything is connected.

    US Caught Faking It in Syria

    • Boomer
      October 14, 2015, 7:56 am

      Pixel: thanks for the link. It is entirely plausible that Israel would follow such a policy. It is chilling to think that my own government would act in this way for Israel’s benefit, yet that too is plausible, because we know that there are many influential people in this country who advocate and adopt Israel’s policy.

      Your “everything is connected” comment reminds me of another neocon success:

  23. Curatica
    October 14, 2015, 9:29 am

    One should ask for something better from an American politician, other than cynicism, hypocrisy, obedience to their American Jewish puppet masters and subservience to the Israeli murderers.

    This woman, in particular, is an absurd dissonance on the political scene. She is shallow like a dead oyster shell and platitudinous like vacuum cleaner salesman. Together with the other Democrat stooges they form a pathetic flock of inept, ridiculous morons. Added to the bunch of bullish, idiotic, uneducated, Zionist Republican rednecks, together they form a discouraging and absolutely lamentable spectrum of wannabe presidents.

    Are these the whole future of America? Bleak, horrendous future.

  24. Mondowise
    October 14, 2015, 10:27 am

    HELLary is a democratic version of the war-criminal shrub george bush.
    and not much smarter, either.

  25. Sulphurdunn
    October 14, 2015, 11:14 am

    I don’t think many Palestinians give her money.

    • CigarGod
      October 14, 2015, 11:40 am

      In other words, she can’t – hear – them.

      • kalithea
        October 14, 2015, 2:07 pm

        HA! Or see them and especially…feel their pain! Money talks.

    • Kay24
      October 14, 2015, 12:49 pm

      It is simply selective compassion. At least she could have been a bit more neutral. What the heck does she care for the Palestinians who have no clout in this nation, nor have strong lobbies that would help her win the Presidency? There is no condemnation at all for the way the zionists are killing unarmed kids. The networks keep showing a young man being shot and killed from the back as he runs away from the IDF thugs carrying a knife. These zionists are experts at shooting with snipers from afar or shooting at the back.

      I am sure the zionists must have been disappointed that the Dems did not proclaim their love and devotion to Israel last night, like the shameless Republicans did. Jim Webb did mention the country once, but that was it. Obama did not mention Israel during his speech at the UN and now the Democrats ignored it too. If only this was a good sign!

  26. busterbobby
    October 16, 2015, 6:21 am

    I am new to this site, and with a couple of exceptions, the posts have a numbing uniformity. There is no actual discussion. People are simply venting, generally using a uniform jargon regarding “zio-supremacy” and “Zionists”, and, for Hillary, “Ziogranny”, which really is surreal. All of it together is unintentionally comical. What is accomplished if there is no attempt to engage sincerely with a differing point of view?

    • James North
      October 16, 2015, 8:48 am

      A new visitor from Hasbara Central.

    • eljay
      October 16, 2015, 8:56 am

      || busterbobby: I am new to this site, and with a couple of exceptions, the posts have a numbing uniformity. There is no actual discussion. People are simply venting, generally using a uniform jargon regarding “zio-supremacy” and “Zionists”, and, for Hillary, “Ziogranny”, which really is surreal. All of it together is unintentionally comical. What is accomplished if there is no attempt to engage sincerely with a differing point of view? ||

      1. Poke around this site and you’ll see lots of other people using terms like “anti-Semite”, “Jew-hater” and “Pallywag brigade”.

      2. How should one “engage sincerely” with people who:
      – support Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine;
      – advocate, support, justify and/or excuse Israel’s past and on-going (war) crimes; and
      – oppose justice, accountability, equality and respect for human rights and international law?

      Lead the way, busterbobby.

    • CigarGod
      October 16, 2015, 9:12 am

      Got selective eye sight, buster?
      You want surreal? Then you overlooked the hasbarats who constantly justify occupation and oppression.
      You are seeking “sincere and differing” discussion with those folks?

    • talknic
      October 16, 2015, 11:54 am

      @ busterbobby

      “There is no actual discussion”

      OK, let’s have some

      “What is accomplished if there is no attempt to engage sincerely with a differing point of view?”

      What can possibly be achieved if people refuse to accept the facts? Here’s some.

      Israel is the “Occupying Power” over territory the Israeli Government itself claimed were “outside the State of Israel” … “in Palestine”

      An Occupying Power has a sacred trust to protect the occupied, their property and their territory

      UNSC resolutions condemning Israel’s illegal actions tell us Israel has failed to live up to its legal obligations and failed to take note of the hundreds of reminders of the law issued by the UNSC

      UNSC resolutions are not biased against Israel. The UNSC has afforded Israel hundreds of opportunities to comply with the law, far more opportunities than any other country on the planet. If you do not live up to your contract with the power company and they send you reminders are they biased?

      There are no UNSC/UN/UNGA resolutions against Israel for any of its actions within its own self proclaimed territory

    • Mooser
      October 16, 2015, 12:37 pm

      “I am new to this site, and with a couple of exceptions, the posts have a numbing uniformity.”

      Try reading the articles. They are very interesting and diverse.
      There is no obligation to comment, or even read the comment section. You can avoid it entirely, if you wish.

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