Obama’s ISIS czar says we can’t defeat extremism without resolving Palestinian issue

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President Obama’s new ISIS czar said yesterday that resolving the Israel Palestine conflict is necessary to defeating Islamist extremists.

Rob Malley, senior advisor to Obama “for the Counter-ISIL Campaign in Iraq and Syria” and White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, said at a New York conference that the conflict enables ISIS in two ways. Extremists “refer constantly” to the situation of Palestinians. So they would lose a recruiting tool if the matter were resolved. And the failure to resolve the conflict makes it “very difficult” to get “the kind of open cooperation that we really need to get changes on the ground”– because Saudi Arabia and other states can’t work openly with Israel as matters stand.

Malley said that resolving the conflict was not a “magic wand” to ending problems in the Middle East, but asked if ISIS’s next stop was going to be Gaza or the West Bank, he went on:

I don’t know where the next stop will be but I think there’s a more basic point, which is that the absence of a resolution is fueling extremism. If you want to go to Gaza that’s self-evident. Whether ISIS is going to have a foothold there.. that’s a separate question. But I think it stands to reason that resolving this conflict would at least help, it wouldn’t resolve– but it would be a major contribution to stemming the rise of extremism, and to allow the kind of cooperation that is needed [to take on] what should be a common challenge, which is the challenge of ISIS, and of other extremist organizations.

The conference was hosted by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and the New Israel Fund. The two faces of the Obama administration were evident at the event. At another panel, Haaretz’s reporter Chemi Shalev said that the word is that Obama wants nothing to do with the peace process and it’s a dead letter.

Shalev said that on December 9, Israeli President Reuven Rivlin came out of a meeting with Obama at the White House and said that Obama was washing his hands of the peace process and Rivlin, a rightwing political figure, was put in the position of urging him to engage.

It was a very surreal situation where he was telling Israeli journalists that President Obama kept on telling him how hopeless the situation is and how nothing is going to happen. And he Rivlin of all people was trying to encourage him and to tell him, Well you have to think of new solutions and maybe interim steps…

Shalev then suggested, “the peace process is dead…”

Halfway through the video above, you can see White House liaison to the Jewish community Matt Nosanchuk fighting back against this interpretation, saying that maybe nothing was happening right now, but that a two-state solution remains a central foreign policy goal of the administration. “Who gave [Rivlin] that impression?” Shalev persisted. But Nosanchuk said that Rob Malley, a senior aide to the president on Middle East issues and countering ISIL, would address the question later.

Obama himself addressed the conference with a short video’d speech and UN ambassador Samantha Power also gave a speech about Israel that was very disappointing. It was mildly critical of Israeli settlements and conveyed no real concern for Palestinian freedom.

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  1. Citizen
    December 14, 2015, 1:36 pm

    Remember when that super rich Saudi Prince (currently in the news for dissing Trump’s Muslim plan) told US leadership at the time that 9/11 type activity wouldn’t end until the US addressed the I-P issue? Rudi Guliania (sic) & others replied the Prince was condoning terrorism? Nothin’g changed in that respect.

  2. Ossinev
    December 14, 2015, 1:40 pm

    IMHO the Haaretz Conference is a worthy initiative by worthy organisations and it is always good to have relatively high profile conferences on the subject in the US. The problem is as ever that the conference will be deemed by the Zionist lobby in America to be anti – Israel, Anti – Semitic and encouraging terrorism and the bought and bent MSM will either stay stum or simply parrot the Zionist view.

    Over arching it all however is that the “peaceful” two state solution has been for years dead and buried with the definitive lurch to the right in Israel and the head in the sand mentality of the majority of the Jewish population there all dutifully supported by and paid for by US taxpayer. The reference to Obama giving up on the “process” and his senior advisor pointing to the link between non resolution and the ISIS phenomenon will simply be ignored by Israel and the US Zionist lobbies. There is after all the much more biddable Hillary waiting in the wings to sooth whatever limited niggling anxieties they have – after the departure of the “Anti – Semitic Islamophile” Obama.

    The reality shock which is needed , not to save Israel, a country which has forfeited whatever soul it had , but the brutalized Palestinian people – this will come not from the US , not from conferences and well meaning talk shops like these , but from a European driven true isolation of the Land of Creation.

    BOYCOTT UGLY APARTHEID ISRAEL

  3. David Doppler
    December 14, 2015, 3:36 pm

    Contrary to the beliefs of Islamophobes who support Trump’s call for blanket exclusion, Muslims, like other groups, immigrate to the West primarily for education, economic opportunity, the chance for a better life for their children. What stimulates jihadi instincts throughout the Muslim world are brutal invasions by Western powers of traditionally Islamic countries, where the people, places, culture, and icons of Islam are killed, occupied, defaced, and smashed, without sensitivity, accountability, without acknowledgement that the West has no business, in light of international law and its own core value of self-determination, seeking to occupy Islamic countries, depose their rulers and replace them with those to our liking.

    Islam has been adopted by many different racial and ethnic tribes, from Asia to Africa, whose current geo-political configurations are a mishmash of natural, historical, former colonial, and other delineations. The only thing capable of stimulating a unified desire for or action to support a Caliphate across that multi-cultural, multi-racial world, is a unified threat to Islam.

    Unfortunately, it has been the deliberate policy of US Neocons, and their Israeli Likudnik partners, for two decades, in order to generate that clash of civilizations as a cover for ongoing expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to perpetually foment as many such insults to Islam as possible, while continuously blaming the Muslims, and condemning any effort to ascribe the obvious motive to them as both non-serious (or harsher adjectives) and Anti-Semitic.

    Stop doing stupid stuff, Obama advised, but his non-confrontational, always nuanced manner (which comes across as weak) is always at risk of being overrun by the hate-mongers and fear-mongers, especially as each violent incident on either side challenges everyone’s sense of security, and drives everyone toward a state of primal fear, where kill or be killed instincts reach for the controls, and nuance disappears from view.

    So I’m glad to see Malley telling it like it is, but, until the larger context of Israel’s (Likud’s) purpose in avoiding peace is brought forward and the advocates for that cynical course are condemned, he will continue to be a voice crying in the wilderness.

    • MHughes976
      December 14, 2015, 3:54 pm

      All very true. Mind you, Malley is telling the truth only in a limited, nationally self-interested kind of way – the Palestine problem being bad for the safety of the West, which it is, but not the expression of a moral outrage in which the West is involved, which it also is.

  4. pabelmont
    December 14, 2015, 4:51 pm

    So, Obama “speaks” with two voices at Haaretz conference, saying “I/P peace is a dead letter” (meaning he’s got no more energy for it) and via Malley “I/P peace is necessary to mount an effective effort against ISIS.”

    As to Malley, you gotta love it: Israel is part of the western imperialism (at least as seen by Arabs) and Arabs will not cooperate with Israel until there is a fair peace (I invented that “fair” and anyway what peace COULD be “fair”) and Israeli oppression of Palestinians will make the Arab street enemies of Israel and prevent anti-ISIS cooperation with Israel.

    I hope this line of thinking keeps up and amplifies. I really don’t see why Israel should be (or want to be) part of anti-ISIS, but Malley seems to say it won’t happen unless there is peace.

    OK, time to say all this loud and clear and CALL once again for a just and lasting peace (UNSC 242) along the green-line with initial REMOVAL of all settlers (the demolition of the wall to follow, the end of the siege on Gaza to follow) and it Israel refuses, then it’s on its own (and somehow ALL presidential candidates must be got to agree to this, especially HRC.

    And if none of this happens, time to start talking about pulling the rug out from under Israel — money, UNSC, special relationship, weapons transfer and cooperation — out from under the one country in the region that will not cooperate with the other children in the only possible way, but prefers endless war.

    Netanyahu won’t like it, Trump-Cruz-Rubio-Clinton won’t like it, but they also don’t like terrorism much, and ISIS is KING of terror.

  5. JWalters
    December 14, 2015, 5:21 pm

    I’m extremely heartened to have the President’s senior adviser on ISIS, speaking at a conference hosted by two Jewish organizations, say specifically that Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians is a central factor in the Middle East chaos. In the subtle dance of diplomacy this small step seems to me a sign of shifting tides.

    While this conflict has already been discussed by the U.S. military as a major strategic threat generator, that point has been utterly avoided by the cowed mainstream media. This may give a brave reporter or two the courage and space to mention the matter in passing, or even discuss it for 30 seconds on TV or a paragraph in print, and potentially get a discussion rolling…

    In parallel, John Kerry recently expressed exasperation with Israel’s continuing land theft. “State Department aides said that sources of Kerry’s exasperation with Netanyahu range from the injustice of settlement building in the West Bank to the way he employs Yitzhak Molcho, his lawyer and confidant, to stifle even the most inconsequential negotiation.”
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/negotiating-the-whirlwind

    History has pattern of ultra-wealthy tyrants being brought down despite all their money. A long suppression suddenly breaks and they’re gone. That’s why the oligarchs fear and hate Obama.

    • just
      December 14, 2015, 6:59 pm

      It’s a welcome change.

      “Kerry: Israeli Government Clueless About How It Wants to Tackle Palestinian Conflict

      In interview to New Yorker, secretary of state says he sees Israel becoming a binational state which is ‘impossible to manage’; his aides tell magazine Netanyahu intentionally stifles even ‘inconsequential negotiations.’

      The Israeli government doesn’t know how it wants to solve the conflict with the Palestinians or what kind of country it wants Israel to become, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said in an interview with the New Yorker magazine. …

      Does Israel want “to be one big fortress?” he asked.

      Kerry’s criticisms of the Netanyahu government’s policies were part of a long profile by David Remnick, the magazine’s editor, of his three years as secretary of state. A significant part of the article dealt with Kerry’s frustration over his failure to achieve an Israeli-Palestinian breakthrough and his fear that the Palestinian Authority will collapse.

      Remnick also interviewed some of Kerry’s aides, who were quoted anonymously in the piece. They said Kerry’s grievances against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu range from West Bank settlement construction to “the way he employs Yitzhak Molcho, his lawyer and confidant, to stifle even the most inconsequential negotiation,” Remnick wrote.

      Nevertheless, the aides said, Kerry intends to continue dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian issue until his last day on the job in January 2017.

      Kerry told Remnick he believes Israel is on the road to becoming a binational state, which would be “an impossible entity to manage.”  He added that he fears the Palestinian Authority will collapse, leaving its 30,000 security personnel to scatter to the winds, which would result in anarchy and violent clashes with Israel.

      The alternative to solving the conflict, Kerry continued, “is you sit there and things just get worse.”

      “There will be more Hezbollah. There will be more rockets. And they’ll all be pointed in one direction. And there will be more people on the border. And what happens then? You’re going to be one big fortress? I mean, that’s not a way to live. It seems to me it is far more intelligent and far more strategic—which is an important word here—to have a theory of how you are going to preserve the Jewish state and be a democracy and a beacon to the world that everybody envisioned when Israel was created.”

      Kerry said he didn’t believe Israel was going to disappear; rather, the question was what Israel would look like in the coming years. He didn’t use the word “apartheid,” but hinted that this was liable to be the outcome.

      “Will it be a democracy? Will it be a Jewish state? Or will it be a unitary state with two systems, or some draconian treatment of Palestinians, because to let them vote would be to dilute the Jewish state?” he asked.

      “I don’t know. I have no answer to that. But the problem is, neither do they,” Kerry continued, referring to the Israeli government. “Neither do the people who are supposed to be providing answers to this. It is not an answer to simply continue to build in the West Bank and to destroy the homes of the other folks you’re trying to make peace with and pretend that that’s a solution.”

      Kerry also told Remnick that in 2010, when he was chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, he held talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad about the possibility of a peace agreement with Israel. Kerry said that during these talks, Assad gave him a signed letter containing a peace proposal under which Syria would recognize Israel and open an embassy there in exchange for the return of the Golan Heights.

      Kerry added that he had made it clear to Assad that any such deal would require him to sever his military ties with Iran and Hezbollah. Haaretz reported on his talks with Assad back in February 2011.

      But Kerry told Remnick that when Netanyahu heard about his effort, he opposed it. “Bibi came to Washington,” Kerry said, “and one of the first things out of his mouth in the Oval Office was ‘I can’t do this. I’m not going to—I just can’t.””

      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.691846?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

      Wake up world, Mr. Kerry and Mr. Obama. Say it loud so everyone can hear you: Israel does not want peace. It wants and tries mightily to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from Palestine. It is already an apartheid and nuclear- armed state.

      Enough of this pussyfooting around! Enough of supporting this. It’s too much to ask of decent humans, it’s insupportable and dangerous for the Palestinians first and for the rest of the world, second.

      • inbound39
        December 16, 2015, 6:42 am

        Apart from pussyfooting it is totally ridiculous for America to continue business as usual under a Special Relationship with Israel. The damage to American Status is far too costly and dangerous. American can no longer defend its support of Israel and ignore what Israel is doing. It simply needs to pull the plug completely on all funding and aid and military support for Israel. That should sober Netanyahu up from his drunken power crazed stupour and realise exactly how insignificant Israel is.

    • Boomer
      December 15, 2015, 10:51 am

      I remain disheartened, since I find all too credible the report that “the word is that Obama wants nothing to do with the peace process and it’s a dead letter.”

    • Keith
      December 15, 2015, 11:56 am

      JWALTERS- “That’s why the oligarchs fear and hate Obama.”

      And all this time I thought that B.O. was a Wall Street flack. Go figure.

      • JWalters
        December 15, 2015, 3:36 pm

        I understand how many have come to that conclusion. I also think it’s easy to underestimate the forces he’s up against. And it’s partly my reading of him as a person. He has managed to stave off a U.S. war with Iran, a top priority achievement in my mind. And his own party largely refused to stand up to all the racist attacks on him, Alison Grimes in KY being a prominent example. It’s a chaotic picture right now. It’ll be interesting to see what the historians say when all the political dust settles.

    • Rusty Pipes
      December 15, 2015, 8:01 pm

      Between Malley’s and Kerry’s remarks, the Obama administration has just signaled not only that they have a strategy for Israel/ Palestine, but how they are going to get the message to the American people past the MSM’s spin.

      The Obama administration will tie a resolution to Israel/ Palestine to the fight against ISIS/Al Qaeda; while the Left has been well aware that Israel has been a recruitment tool for AQ since 2001, the MSM has ignored it. The administration has been signaling since Netanyahu’s reelection that he is not willing to negotiate in good faith and that therefore, the peace process — a negotiated settlement — is dead. Obama has not said anything since then to clarify exactly how he has reevaluated his options.

      In spite of the ways that Congress has tried to check Executive action regarding Israel/Palestine (QME, cutting funds to the UN and its agencies), I think that Obama is ready to use legal and administrative remedies. We’ve had no coverage in recent months about possible French or Jordanian resolutions at the UNSC. By tying recruitment for ISIS with Israel and Palestine, Obama may be moving not only to allow a UNSC resolution to pass, but to actively push for it. He may not have informed Samantha Powers yet.

      • Boomer
        December 16, 2015, 8:21 pm

        re: “I think that Obama is ready to use legal and administrative remedies.”

        I hope you are right.

      • Boomer
        December 18, 2015, 3:29 pm

        PS re “The Obama administration will tie a resolution to Israel/ Palestine to the fight against ISIS/Al Qaeda . . . ”

        I wonder what evidence there is to support such a belief? Is it simply based on the observation that “Obama has not said anything . . . “? What has Obama actually done to help Palestinians or to reduce America’s complicity in their oppression?

  6. JLewisDickerson
    December 15, 2015, 3:41 am

    RE: “Rob Malley, senior advisor to Obama ‘for the Counter-ISIL Campaign in Iraq and Syria’ and White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa, said at a New York conference that . . . resolving the Israel Palestine conflict is necessary to defeating Islamist extremists.” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: And yet, Madam Secretary Hillary Clinton seems quite content to sit on her multi-millon dollar patootie whilst whipping the hell out of a long-dead horse.* You really have to wonder about that woman! ! !

    * FROM MONDOWEISS ( Philip Weiss on December 8, 2015 ):

    [EXCERPT] . . . Also, another sign of the discursive crisis that is upon us, on Sunday in Washington, Hillary Clinton took issue with Kerry by refusing to say a word about occupation and putting the burden on Arab leaders to reup the Arab Peace Initiative– though Kerry said that every Arab leader he meets is behind it already. Clinton:

    Right now Arab leaders could send a powerful message by reviving and updating the Arab peace initiative and laying out a process for normalizing relations with Israel and accepting it as a Jewish state alongside an independent Palestine. And Israel could seize the opportunity to directly respond to such an initiative. There’s no magic wand, but there’s a real strategic opportunity worth exploring.

    • JLewisDickerson
      December 15, 2015, 4:38 am

      P.S. WASHINGTON D.C. HAS BECOME THE QUINTESSENTIAL “TOWN WITHOUT PITY”! ! !

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      We need an understanding heart..
      Why don’t they help us, try to help us
      Before this clay and granite planet falls apart…

      Take these eager lips and hold me fast..
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  7. ivri
    December 15, 2015, 6:25 am

    There is a fundamental, and common, fallacy here. Even if it is true that the I/P conflict played a meaningful role in the many present problems in the Mid-East, which in itself requires a serious examination, it still does not mean that solving it will have a meaningful impact, perhaps even any impact, on the latter – they simply already took a life of their own. Just how much the guys fighting in Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Tunisia and even Iraq and Syria or Egypt care about what goes on in the West-Bank or think that it can in any way affect their case?
    Logically, being the origin of something does not imply that you still have an effect on what grew out of it.

    • eljay
      December 15, 2015, 8:31 am

      || ivri: … Even if it is true that the I/P conflict played a meaningful role in the many present problems in the Mid-East … it still does not mean that solving it will have a meaningful impact … ||

      Resolving the I-P conflict may not have any impact on other problems in the Middle East, but that’s hardly an excuse not to resolve it.

      It’s amazing how much effort you Zio-supremacists put into circumventing justice, accountability and equality.

    • oldgeezer
      December 15, 2015, 11:42 am

      @ivri

      Just as logically that resolvinv the issue might have an impact on what grew out of it. Both are one of many logical outcomes and not a fallacy per se.

      There is no dou t that tbe I/P issue is one of many factors which has caused radicalization. Given the fact that Israel’s actions are war crimes and crimes against humanity it makes complete sense to hold them to accord with law in order to reduce the factors driving radicalisation.

      Nice try ivri bjt no free lass for the criminal actions of Israel.

      • ivri
        December 15, 2015, 1:27 pm

        @Old
        That`s not the point here. What I was trying to highlight is that the “Palestinian issue”, which in times past occupied center-podium in regional (and beyond) affairs, have been de-facto demoted to a footnote.
        Some people who spent all their life dealing with it just cannot accept it – still embracing their “baby” trying to pump it up into its erstwhile global and regional centrality. One way it is done is by raising the rhetoric volume – e.g. injecting the “crime” noun twice into any sentence. But can that make a real difference when you daily watch what goes on in Syria – just one flashpoint in a world “on fire”?

      • oldgeezer
        December 15, 2015, 2:45 pm

        @ivri

        Gosh, ivri, I don’t know about Israel but we in the west are perfectly capable having several issues at one time and there is no reason for the I/P issue to relinquish the attention it receives. You might wish otherwise.

        In keep with your in flames reference let’s just say that resolving the I/P issue avoids adding further fuel to the fire. In fact it only makes sense to cut off the fuel sources when battling flames.

        There’s no need to pump up the rhetoric on the issue. Israel is a rogue state in violation of international law and international humanitarian law. It is also violating the geneva conventions on a daily basis. It oppresses millions of people each and every day. It has shown no willingness to conform to the law and is becoming more lawless every day.

        It would be a crime not to mention the crimes being perpetrated by the criminals in charge of the goi.

        It is absolutely immoral to attempt to put it on the backburner or even to suggest that it should be.

  8. Ossinev
    December 15, 2015, 7:32 am

    “Kerry told Remnick he believes Israel is on the road to becoming a binational state, which would be “an impossible entity to manage.” He added that he fears the Palestinian Authority will collapse, leaving its 30,000 security personnel to scatter to the winds, which would result in anarchy and violent clashes with Israel.”

    Perhaps the most incisive of his comments. Israel under the Oslo accords has effectively sub contracted day to day policing and internal security control to the PA paid for, not by them, but effectively the US. With an ever growing disillusionment amongst the West Bank Palestinians over the role and relevance of the PA including it has to be assumed amongst the its own “security personnel” it will take very little for the whole charade to collapse like a house of cards.Israel will then have to overtly control the West bank population. The resistance will grow and Israeli brutality will increase.The Apartheid reality will be truly out in the open for all to see. The US will continue to be bought and bent as ever by the Zionist dollar but Europe will no longer be able to stand idly by and mouth the occasional mild rebuke. As with South Africa but even more so in the internet age there will be irresistible demands for total boycott.

    Kerry is hinting at this in a desperate attempt to get the Israelis to wake up to the reality of the direction they are taking. Unfortunately hints and mild rebukes have proven to be pointless and only the collapse of the PA will do the job that is needed.

    • MHughes976
      December 15, 2015, 11:54 am

      It’s quite true that to negate a cause is not necessarily to negate an effect. It may be that the Israel/Palestine conflict and the other conflicts of the ME are by now two wheels spinning independently, though I really doubt that they are in this state for reasons Ossinev gives and more. And even if this disconnection has happened over time that is not proof that it cannot be reversed and the two situations re-connected. A beneficial causal link might be established by making peace in Palestine and setting a good example.

  9. Ossinev
    December 15, 2015, 10:12 am

    @ ivri
    ” Even if it is true that the I/P conflict played a meaningful role in the many present problems in the Mid-East, which in itself requires a serious examination”

    Suggest you get out a map preferably a really big map of the Middle East and seriously examine your little colonial sliver on the Eastern Mediterranean coast. Colour it say blue and then colour all the surrounding Arab countries another colour of your choice. Stand back and have another serious look at the map. Then seriously examine the fact that the new population of this sliver of land are foreigners of a different religion who took over the land by force , drove out the bulk of its native population and continue to oppress enslave and brutalize the remaining native population.

    You might on serious examination pick up just an teensy weensy hint that your beloved Sliverland is indeed playing ” a meaningful role”.

    Not holding my breath though.

    • ivri
      December 15, 2015, 1:38 pm

      @Ossinev: “Foreigners …..who took over the land by force, drove out the bulk of its native population…..”
      Well, this description I think mainly applies to the US, Canada and Australia – or, if we go back some further centuries, to the takeover of the Mid-East by Arabs that arrived from the Saudi desert.

      • diasp0ra
        December 15, 2015, 2:17 pm

        @Ivri

        It applies to Israel and Palestine as well. You can talk about a Jewish connection to the land all you want, but after 3000 years Zionists flooding Palestine from Europe are as foreign as any other non-native.

        Your second point: The Arabs didn’t push out the bulk of the native population.

      • talknic
        December 15, 2015, 7:31 pm

        @ ivri demonstrates really stupid whataboutery 101

        ” this description I think mainly applies to the US, Canada and Australia – or, if we go back some further centuries, to the takeover of the Mid-East by Arabs that arrived from the Saudi desert. “

        Prior to humanity developing and adopting laws that prohibit the barbaric practice of acquiring territory by force http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art11

        Israel is STILL acting like a moronic barbarian and really moronic jerks are in support of its behaviour

  10. Misterioso
    December 15, 2015, 10:47 am

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.691846?utm_content=Kerry%3A+Israel+clueless+on+tackling+Palestinian+conflict&utm_medium=Daily&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

    “Kerry: Israeli Government Clueless About How It Wants to Tackle Palestinian Conflict”

    “In interview to New Yorker, secretary of state says he sees Israel becoming a binational state which is ‘impossible to manage’; his aides tell magazine Netanyahu intentionally stifles even ‘inconsequential negotiations.’ ”
    Barak Ravid. Dec 15, 2015 12:14 AM, Haaretz.

  11. Citizen
    December 15, 2015, 11:24 am

    Wonder what former Obama aid and campaign manager, and later, AIPAC head, Lee “Rosy Rosenberg thinks about this selection?

  12. Kay24
    December 15, 2015, 11:24 am

    Although it is disappointing that Obama is disconnected from trying to bring some conclusion to the I/P situation, no one can really blame him for washing his hands off the matter. Netanyahu has shown nothing but contempt for him, his efforts have been in vain, and as long as the zionists keep stealing more lands and building illegal settlements for their squatters, it is never going to happen. These illegal settlements are detrimental to any peace talks.

    There is no doubt that the suffering of the Palestinians, the occupation, and land grabs, is one of the main reasons why these terrorists show their anger towards the US. I remember one of our officials stating this when asked by members of Congress, why Al Qaeda wanted to attack the US. This was played down by the zio media of course. Rob Malley is right, but I do not think what he says will get the publicity it deserves, and it will soon be buried by the media.
    It is time the American people were told the truth – that it is our unwavering support, aid, and protection of Israel, that makes many mad at us, and we are partners in crime with a brutal occupier. That is enough to make them hate us even more. We have been fighting terrorists for years, and we have not won that battle. Getting to the root of the matter and changing our policies might also help ease this horrible situation.

    CUT ISRAEL LOOSE, IT IS NOTHING BUT A COSTLY BURDEN TO THE US.

    • Tom Callaghan
      December 15, 2015, 3:30 pm

      Passionate comment, Kay24. A couple of things occurred to me reading it.

      First, it is impossible to overestimate the apathy and inertia of 90% of the American people. Deep down inside most people feel, intuitively, that our relationship with Israel is abnormal and problematic for the USA. Are they willing to miss a yoga class or an hour of ESPN to go and
      do something about it? No way.

      Second, the first rule of politics is you can’t beat someone with no one. The Israel Lobby is the
      biggest someone in the history of lobbying. There is no opposing lobby to speak of.

      Third, you mention “if the American people were told the truth…” I agree, but would add:

      WE ARE THE PEOPLE WE ARE WAITING FOR

      http://www.wednesdayswars.com

      • Kay24
        December 15, 2015, 7:41 pm

        Thanks for that interesting link. I do agree with the article, and wish the American media would do the nation a favor and report the truth, instead of pleasing their owners and stifling it. The American people are unfortunately either apathetic or ignorant, and the media takes advantage of this. I had hopes that Al Jazeera America would be bold and be more honest in their coverage, but it seems they are only slightly better, and do not dare upset that apple cart. Until the Congress rejects the campaign donations and refuse to be controlled by AIPAC and other lobbies, we should expect no change whatsoever when it comes to this sick relationship we have with Israel, and that it always gets priority over the American people. It is a sad situation.

    • Boomer
      December 16, 2015, 10:42 am

      re “no one can really blame him [Obama] for washing his hands off the matter.”

      I agree that one can’t blame him for giving up on any expectations that Israel would willingly grant Palestinians any kind of reasonable deal: that’s being realistic. I do blame him for using our veto at the Security Council to block constructive international efforts, thus enabling Israel to continue to take land from Palestinians and to oppress them, with our full support. I do blame him for failing to speak honestly to the American people about this issue. Politicians have always lied, but higher values were once honored at least as goals. Now it seems that cynical pols and reporters no longer even endorse values higher than self-interest.

      As for Malley’s comments, I wonder which officials heard them, or rather, who will repeat them. In last night’s Republican debate only Rand Paul questioned the wisdom of more bombing, more troops, more intervention. The others were competing to be seen as “strong,” defined by willingness to do more of what has led to problems. Unfortunately, most mainstream reporters who don’t just ignore Paul seem to disparage and dismiss him and his message. Mrs. Clinton seems no better than the Republicans on this score, though she may be more polished.

  13. Ossinev
    December 15, 2015, 12:26 pm

    Meanwhile fresh from Haaretz:
    “Moshe Ya’alon says while Duma murders are ‘clearly a Jewish attack’ and that defense establishment can identify members of group behind attack, state lacks evidence to try suspects”

    Now there is a surprise. Why oh why do we in the civilized West continue to have relations with this shitty little Fascist country.

    LOBBY YOUR POLITICIANS
    BOYCOTT UGLY APARTHEID ISRAEL

  14. US Citizen
    December 15, 2015, 1:50 pm

    Latest from Haaretz – Netanyahu responds to Kerry: Palestinians, not Israel, to blame for diplomatic stalemate ? Can anyone, anywhere believe this idiot anymore ?

    Look, all ISIS has to do is target Israel’s airport and port and Israel is done for. But Nutty continues to stick his overblown head and ego in the sand. The idiocy of this messianic maniac is beyond belief.

  15. James Canning
    December 15, 2015, 2:00 pm

    Israel’s endless occupation of the West Bank and its resultant oppression of the Palestinians obviously fuels extremism in the Middle East. Bravo to Rob Malley for drawing attention to this fact.

  16. Atlantaiconoclast
    December 15, 2015, 4:36 pm

    The recently released 2012 DIA Memo clearly says that the “Western powers” were supporting ISIS in 2012, as a counterweight to Assad. And until maybe recently, the US was not seriously attacking ISIS. So I don’t trust anything to come out of my govt in regard to ISIS. Why would I trust Israel either? The track record is rather poor.

  17. JLWarner
    December 16, 2015, 1:24 am

    The statements are compatible.

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